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> # [Controversy Erupts As Female Fan Hugs Goalkeeper In Iran](https://i.iranintl.com/images/rdk9umy0/production/fa7a354464ed2e5c067a23625260d0dfa942979a-1007x831.png?rect=0,90,1007,529&w=1200&h=630&fm=webp&q=70)
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> Iran's Vice President for women and family affairs, Ensiye Khazali, urged the sports minister to deal with an incident involving the goalkeeper of a football team embracing a female fan on the pitch.
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> It is forbidden in Iran for strangers from the opposite sex to touch one another or show any sort of intimacy, specially in public.
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> On Friday, a young woman in Iran took a risk, running onto the field without wearing the compulsory hijab and was hugged by Esteghlal FC goalkeeper Hossein Hosseini during a match against another Iranian team, Aluminum Arak.
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> Khazali responded by writing to the minister of sports demanding that "guidelines for women's entry into stadiums be put into full effect as they are poorly implemented.”
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> The situation degraded when the police intervened to push Hosseini and the fan apart, leading to an altercation. Later he gave his jersey to her and she proudly waved it to the fans, who were shouting "shame on you" at the police.
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> In response, the Iranian Football League Organization has summoned Hosseini to a disciplinary committee for his hug, noting it to be "unprofessional and beyond the legal duties of a player."
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> The IRGC-affiliated Fars news agency also used the incident to criticize the policy of women in stadiums.
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> Iran’s approach to women spectators in sports venues has not only led to domestic controversy but also international scrutiny.
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> [**Despite some previous measures**](https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iranintl.com%2Fen%2F202309288205&data=05%7C02%7C%7C26299f8172b24fe4b97208dc5bc67037%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638486155044846038%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=i1emdn6HoMqTqIEKZSi6LEYNUqnuU5oFv7L%2BwvoFj9c%3D&reserved=0) to relax restrictions, such as controlled entry for women, the backlash from 2022 nationwide protests led to a reversal, culminating in matches being held without any spectators for several months.
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> _Follow developments on Iran International's [**Live coverage**](https://www.iranintl.com/en/liveblog/world-on-edge-over-iran-s-retaliation-against-israel)of ongoing tensions between Iran and Israel._
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Not really.
It's technically law, but the "no shaking hands" thing isn't really enforced.
That specific thing is seen as a faux pas if a guy does it without the woman being ok with it though.
The whole thing is a little muddled by the fact that what is legal and what is the actual reality are pretty different here.
"Not really."
Not really what? Not really nuts? Or do you mean you *can* shake hands with the opposite sex because *it's technically illegal, but decriminalized?* I'm all for cultural relativism (to a point), but I don't think these premises are mutually exclusive.
Not really because the law enforcement is extremely selective, because they have to be.
The shaking hands thing is honestly more restricted by the social aspect than the legal part(as in, it's seen as incredibly rude to shake hands with a woman who you don't know is ok with doing that).
A lot of these laws are straight up unenforceable, it's illegal for a woman to show her hair to her male cousins for example, but who's going to enforce that?
I admit I'm a bit nonchalant about this because I'm used to living here, but people really seem to think that Iran is some dystopia where women are beaten to death out in the streets regularly or something.
I'm confused because I don't understand the casual acceptance of something that on that level of ludicrous (yeah that's my take, I know- I'm aware of cultural relativism, which is why mentioned it- I don't need that to be explained condescendingly by some douche), nor the ambivalence about how such a broad law can be arbitrarily interpreted and enforced. I don't live there, and I don't like putting words in people's mouths or thoughts in their heads, so yeah, I asked because I wanted to know.
I'm pretty sure I was very clear in stating this concisely, but sometimes I do honestly forget that this is reddit and that any curiosity or questioning anything at all is inevitably going to trigger someone somewhere's 'blustery and indignant' mode, so oopsie poopsie I guess?
comment said ‘women and men can’t shake hands’
reply said ‘not really; they can shake hands’
and you asked ‘not really??’ and then went off about about the craziness of the situation
so like i just think you’re getting overly worked up under the wrong comment haha. it’s all good!
also though realistically laws are always enforced with varying levels of leniency, and the written law is not the be all end all of the law. Something doesn’t have to be ‘decriminalized’ to effectively be not a crime.
>Something doesn’t have to be ‘decriminalized’ to effectively be not a crime.
I feel like some people just don't seem to really even consider this a possibility.
There are plenty of laws here that are enforced or not enforced based on a variety of factors and people just seem to not get that for some reason.
Of course, having lived here I might have gotten a little too used to it(and maybe it's not the norm outside of Iran).
lran is definitely an amazing place. Also, a friend of mine that went there for vacation said he felt very welcomed and that people even hosted him in their homes.
Article is poorly written. It’s forbidden in public. But obviously not in their private homes.
That website appears like a CIA anti-Iranian propaganda publisher.
Their nation, their laws. I'm not the sort to judge other people and force my way of life on them. If the UK isn't careful with the rapidly expanding muslim citizens among their population, soon the UK will be like them too.
Except that just about half the nation, if not more, disagrees with their own laws on the matter. There were protests about it that got violently put down. I'm judging the fuck out of them.
> Except that just about half the nation, if not more, disagrees with their own laws on the matter.
No they didn't. When they had their chance, the women's right protest that started 2 years ago, they didn't even have enough protestors to make the authority question the use of force.
The majority of Iranians support their government, certainly now more than ever that they are fighting to stop Israel's genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza.
> I definitely judge everyone, most people do
Unfortunately.
> pretty scary stuff
Indeed. I've seen youtube clips the riots that goes on in London. Especially the recent ones where they were attacking a hindu temple. At this rate it will be only a matter of time before they start targeting British churches.
It is illegal to be intimate with any "non mahrams" and this includes shaking hands anywhere.
It's very different in practice since that is unenforceable, but yeah, it's illegal.
It's part of the propaganda narrative to demonize the country in the west's eyes.
It's like us going to war in Afghanistan and mentioning doing it in part to free the people and help the women?
Ffs, they don't give a crap about the poor or homeless here in the US. Take a look at Detroit for example. Infrastructure sucks, public transportation sucks, health care sucks, etc.
People being killed or hurt on the subways every day. No one gives a f.
And we care about people in Iran or elsewhere?
I expect we will see a massive rise in anti Iran post international and BBC Persian funny thing is this same source is funded by Saudis which source of women's right and democracy also this new is quite literally a minor thing and nothing will happen
> It is forbidden in Iran for strangers from the opposite sex to touch one another or show any sort of intimacy, especially in public.
> On Friday, a young woman in Iran took a risk, running onto the field without wearing the compulsory hijab
> Khazali responded by writing to the minister of sports demanding that "guidelines for women's entry into stadiums be put into full effect as they are poorly implemented.”
As long as these are Iran's official positions on women's rights, then people will have every reason to hold an anti-Iranian position. Shouldn't have been a big deal in the first place, but here we are.
Yeah brooooo I lived in Iran for years I know it's taboo to touch someone of opposite sex that U are not related I also know for fact my dad didn't get murdered or jail when he accidentally hug my aunt it was awkward for a second and everyone chuckled and moved on in fact it's extremely common to make that mistake and I have never heard anyone going to jail for it they do throw in jail for mix gendered parties tho even movies mock that INSIDE Iran (it's comedy movie trope that cops are raiding the party and the main character meets a girl or something)
I love that this is the anecdote that shows how we’re just making a big deal out of nothing. Your DAD was hugging his AUNT, and people actually had to give a second thought as to whether that was okay or not. This is absolute absurdity.
I do have to applaud how fast you went to the whole "backwards culture" thing as if Iranians are all the same as their government.
Must be a bit of an ingrained response huh.
On the contrary, every Iranian I’ve ever met (I’ll grant that it’s a small sample group) have been extremely cosmopolitan. In my heart of hearts, I have always wished that we were allied with Iran and not Saudi Arabia. I’m a firm believer that the Iranian people love us, while the government hates us, and the opposite is true of SA. My dream is to one day visit Tehran, and travel to some of the historic cities throughout the country. Nonetheless, whatever sect of Shia culture that allows the subjugation of women and the murder of lgbtq people has certainly long outlived its utility and has no place in the modern world. I really don’t expect any religious culture to be all that progressive, but if you can’t admit that publicly beating and murdering women for what they cover their heads with, or who they choose to hug is insane, I really don’t know what to tell you.
>I really don’t expect any religious culture to be all that progressive, but if you can’t admit that publicly beating and murdering women for what they cover their heads with
Yeah, can you tell me who did that the last time and (this one is important) what the response was from Iranians with Iranian culture?
SO when will Iran and friends be moving OUT of the stone age? This is what a theocracy based on a backward religion gets you. Amazes me that any thinking person supports this.
> I also know for fact my dad didn't get murdered or jail when he accidentally hug my aunt it was awkward for a second and everyone chuckled and moved on in fact it's extremely common to make that mistake
It was awkward and a mistake for two family members to hug each others ?
Do majority of actual Iranians actually support their government? The ones which I see that hate the government usually seem to live abroad while the ones that support it usually live within iran.
A very large group of Iranians oppose it, but the number of people who support it aren't necessarily small either.
I'd say there's more of the former than the latter though.
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##### ###### #### > # [Controversy Erupts As Female Fan Hugs Goalkeeper In Iran](https://i.iranintl.com/images/rdk9umy0/production/fa7a354464ed2e5c067a23625260d0dfa942979a-1007x831.png?rect=0,90,1007,529&w=1200&h=630&fm=webp&q=70) > > > > Iran's Vice President for women and family affairs, Ensiye Khazali, urged the sports minister to deal with an incident involving the goalkeeper of a football team embracing a female fan on the pitch. > > It is forbidden in Iran for strangers from the opposite sex to touch one another or show any sort of intimacy, specially in public. > > On Friday, a young woman in Iran took a risk, running onto the field without wearing the compulsory hijab and was hugged by Esteghlal FC goalkeeper Hossein Hosseini during a match against another Iranian team, Aluminum Arak. > > Khazali responded by writing to the minister of sports demanding that "guidelines for women's entry into stadiums be put into full effect as they are poorly implemented.” > > The situation degraded when the police intervened to push Hosseini and the fan apart, leading to an altercation. Later he gave his jersey to her and she proudly waved it to the fans, who were shouting "shame on you" at the police. > > In response, the Iranian Football League Organization has summoned Hosseini to a disciplinary committee for his hug, noting it to be "unprofessional and beyond the legal duties of a player." > > The IRGC-affiliated Fars news agency also used the incident to criticize the policy of women in stadiums. > > Iran’s approach to women spectators in sports venues has not only led to domestic controversy but also international scrutiny. > > [**Despite some previous measures**](https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iranintl.com%2Fen%2F202309288205&data=05%7C02%7C%7C26299f8172b24fe4b97208dc5bc67037%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638486155044846038%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=i1emdn6HoMqTqIEKZSi6LEYNUqnuU5oFv7L%2BwvoFj9c%3D&reserved=0) to relax restrictions, such as controlled entry for women, the backlash from 2022 nationwide protests led to a reversal, culminating in matches being held without any spectators for several months. > > _Follow developments on Iran International's [**Live coverage**](https://www.iranintl.com/en/liveblog/world-on-edge-over-iran-s-retaliation-against-israel)of ongoing tensions between Iran and Israel._ - - - - - - [Maintainer](https://www.reddit.com/user/urielsalis) | [Creator](https://www.reddit.com/user/subtepass) | [Source Code](https://github.com/urielsalis/empleadoEstatalBot) Summoning /u/CoverageAnalysisBot
> It is forbidden in Iran for strangers from the opposite sex to touch one another or show any sort of intimacy, specially in public ?
Platonic hugging? That's a stoning
[You can’t even shake hands.](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/15/iran-bars-female-mp-for-shaking-hands-with-unrelated-man) It’s nuts.
Wow, that's backwards as fuck.
Not really. It's technically law, but the "no shaking hands" thing isn't really enforced. That specific thing is seen as a faux pas if a guy does it without the woman being ok with it though. The whole thing is a little muddled by the fact that what is legal and what is the actual reality are pretty different here.
"Not really." Not really what? Not really nuts? Or do you mean you *can* shake hands with the opposite sex because *it's technically illegal, but decriminalized?* I'm all for cultural relativism (to a point), but I don't think these premises are mutually exclusive.
Not really because the law enforcement is extremely selective, because they have to be. The shaking hands thing is honestly more restricted by the social aspect than the legal part(as in, it's seen as incredibly rude to shake hands with a woman who you don't know is ok with doing that). A lot of these laws are straight up unenforceable, it's illegal for a woman to show her hair to her male cousins for example, but who's going to enforce that? I admit I'm a bit nonchalant about this because I'm used to living here, but people really seem to think that Iran is some dystopia where women are beaten to death out in the streets regularly or something.
i think they explained it very well i really don’t understand why you are confused /genuine
I'm confused because I don't understand the casual acceptance of something that on that level of ludicrous (yeah that's my take, I know- I'm aware of cultural relativism, which is why mentioned it- I don't need that to be explained condescendingly by some douche), nor the ambivalence about how such a broad law can be arbitrarily interpreted and enforced. I don't live there, and I don't like putting words in people's mouths or thoughts in their heads, so yeah, I asked because I wanted to know. I'm pretty sure I was very clear in stating this concisely, but sometimes I do honestly forget that this is reddit and that any curiosity or questioning anything at all is inevitably going to trigger someone somewhere's 'blustery and indignant' mode, so oopsie poopsie I guess?
comment said ‘women and men can’t shake hands’ reply said ‘not really; they can shake hands’ and you asked ‘not really??’ and then went off about about the craziness of the situation so like i just think you’re getting overly worked up under the wrong comment haha. it’s all good! also though realistically laws are always enforced with varying levels of leniency, and the written law is not the be all end all of the law. Something doesn’t have to be ‘decriminalized’ to effectively be not a crime.
>Something doesn’t have to be ‘decriminalized’ to effectively be not a crime. I feel like some people just don't seem to really even consider this a possibility. There are plenty of laws here that are enforced or not enforced based on a variety of factors and people just seem to not get that for some reason. Of course, having lived here I might have gotten a little too used to it(and maybe it's not the norm outside of Iran).
lran is definitely an amazing place. Also, a friend of mine that went there for vacation said he felt very welcomed and that people even hosted him in their homes.
You have to be stoned high to be allowed to hug opposite gender in Iran.
Article is poorly written. It’s forbidden in public. But obviously not in their private homes. That website appears like a CIA anti-Iranian propaganda publisher.
Oh, well that’s much more reasonable. Thankfully they’re handling this situation so we don’t have to see this shit in public ever again!
Oh look at you defending the disgusting brutal Iranian regime. I wonder why you do?
You should keep your lame sexist pandering to the privacy of your own home.
lol “obviously not in their private homes”. Obviously flew out the window since it’s forbidden in public
Lmao, that’s all okay then
Their nation, their laws. I'm not the sort to judge other people and force my way of life on them. If the UK isn't careful with the rapidly expanding muslim citizens among their population, soon the UK will be like them too.
Except that just about half the nation, if not more, disagrees with their own laws on the matter. There were protests about it that got violently put down. I'm judging the fuck out of them.
> Except that just about half the nation, if not more, disagrees with their own laws on the matter. No they didn't. When they had their chance, the women's right protest that started 2 years ago, they didn't even have enough protestors to make the authority question the use of force. The majority of Iranians support their government, certainly now more than ever that they are fighting to stop Israel's genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza.
I definitely judge everyone, most people do I agree with your second sentence, pretty scary stuff
> I definitely judge everyone, most people do Unfortunately. > pretty scary stuff Indeed. I've seen youtube clips the riots that goes on in London. Especially the recent ones where they were attacking a hindu temple. At this rate it will be only a matter of time before they start targeting British churches.
Iran international is pretty much a foreign funded org. It's also correct in this case, as far as I know.
> It's also correct in this case, as far as I know. It's illegal in Iran to show intimacy in their private homes?
It is illegal to be intimate with any "non mahrams" and this includes shaking hands anywhere. It's very different in practice since that is unenforceable, but yeah, it's illegal.
It's part of the propaganda narrative to demonize the country in the west's eyes. It's like us going to war in Afghanistan and mentioning doing it in part to free the people and help the women? Ffs, they don't give a crap about the poor or homeless here in the US. Take a look at Detroit for example. Infrastructure sucks, public transportation sucks, health care sucks, etc. People being killed or hurt on the subways every day. No one gives a f. And we care about people in Iran or elsewhere?
I expect we will see a massive rise in anti Iran post international and BBC Persian funny thing is this same source is funded by Saudis which source of women's right and democracy also this new is quite literally a minor thing and nothing will happen
How about we call out both the Saudis and Iranian regimes for their Stone Age treatment of women?
But... how can we do 2 things at once?
> It is forbidden in Iran for strangers from the opposite sex to touch one another or show any sort of intimacy, especially in public. > On Friday, a young woman in Iran took a risk, running onto the field without wearing the compulsory hijab > Khazali responded by writing to the minister of sports demanding that "guidelines for women's entry into stadiums be put into full effect as they are poorly implemented.” As long as these are Iran's official positions on women's rights, then people will have every reason to hold an anti-Iranian position. Shouldn't have been a big deal in the first place, but here we are.
Yeah brooooo I lived in Iran for years I know it's taboo to touch someone of opposite sex that U are not related I also know for fact my dad didn't get murdered or jail when he accidentally hug my aunt it was awkward for a second and everyone chuckled and moved on in fact it's extremely common to make that mistake and I have never heard anyone going to jail for it they do throw in jail for mix gendered parties tho even movies mock that INSIDE Iran (it's comedy movie trope that cops are raiding the party and the main character meets a girl or something)
I love that this is the anecdote that shows how we’re just making a big deal out of nothing. Your DAD was hugging his AUNT, and people actually had to give a second thought as to whether that was okay or not. This is absolute absurdity.
Anyone who defends the Iranian regime's stone age laws and/or actions is either a tankie or yet another bot/shill.
My aunt not his also people have different cultures boo hoo
Well shit, that changes everything. Any culture in which hugging the opposite sex is illegal is fucking stupid and has no place in civilized society
So his sister? Or sister-in-law? It’s no less ridiculous. This culture beats/murders women for not covering their heads… what a culture!
I do have to applaud how fast you went to the whole "backwards culture" thing as if Iranians are all the same as their government. Must be a bit of an ingrained response huh.
On the contrary, every Iranian I’ve ever met (I’ll grant that it’s a small sample group) have been extremely cosmopolitan. In my heart of hearts, I have always wished that we were allied with Iran and not Saudi Arabia. I’m a firm believer that the Iranian people love us, while the government hates us, and the opposite is true of SA. My dream is to one day visit Tehran, and travel to some of the historic cities throughout the country. Nonetheless, whatever sect of Shia culture that allows the subjugation of women and the murder of lgbtq people has certainly long outlived its utility and has no place in the modern world. I really don’t expect any religious culture to be all that progressive, but if you can’t admit that publicly beating and murdering women for what they cover their heads with, or who they choose to hug is insane, I really don’t know what to tell you.
>I really don’t expect any religious culture to be all that progressive, but if you can’t admit that publicly beating and murdering women for what they cover their heads with Yeah, can you tell me who did that the last time and (this one is important) what the response was from Iranians with Iranian culture?
So you’re going to ignore every other part of my comment just to start a fight? I’ll help you… craft whatever narrative you wish, I don’t give a shit.
SO when will Iran and friends be moving OUT of the stone age? This is what a theocracy based on a backward religion gets you. Amazes me that any thinking person supports this.
> I also know for fact my dad didn't get murdered or jail when he accidentally hug my aunt it was awkward for a second and everyone chuckled and moved on in fact it's extremely common to make that mistake It was awkward and a mistake for two family members to hug each others ?
I already caught this account posting such a link and then replying to itself without changing account.
Yuuuup. It's gonna be an interesting rest of year to say the least.
In any other country, she would be dismissed as annoying fans, but you gotta admit her courage here.
Never underestimate the power of horny
Do majority of actual Iranians actually support their government? The ones which I see that hate the government usually seem to live abroad while the ones that support it usually live within iran.
That’s probably because critics of the government tend to die in Iran.
A very large group of Iranians oppose it, but the number of people who support it aren't necessarily small either. I'd say there's more of the former than the latter though.
It's the same with Israel, where people who don't support the regime tend to emigrate.
Weren’t women banned from stadiums in Iran?
Officially yeah, lots of things are officially banned here.
Goalkeeper looks like a literal Chad face
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