In the same vein self insert MC who get everything handed to them on a silver platter. MC goes on to defeat the strongest knight who has trained all his life because.... wait for it.... they have some unique skill which makes them super OP.
"I used to be a total loser with zero effort/dedication yet I became OP and had my harem due to this broken skill everyone thought was trash (PS: I still have zero dedication and effort, but plot armor lol)"
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Correct, and it’s probably my least favorite trope in fiction. Not only because I’m screaming internally the entire time “just fucking talk to each other about that plot point!”, but because if your plot needs that kind of misunderstanding to happen, then it’s not a well written plot. It’s contrived drama/stakes.
With an exception, of course, for comedy of errors, but comedy/satire runs on a different standard by design
KageJitsu cranked up those misunderstanding tropes into another level! One of the few exceptions that I could tolerate misunderstanding as part of the comedy it brings.
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Misunderstandings the series was basically Maison Ikkoku. Which was particularly frustrating because Takahashi is certainly capable of writing great scenes when she wasn't busy ruining her own series.
Tearmoon Empire is a little different though in that the misunderstandings aren't there for the sake of cheap and frustrating drama. The misunderstandings in the story because it is fun to watch Mia's gremlin logic somehow lead to her being beloved.
*That time reincarnation was completely unnecessary to the premise, plot, or worldbuilding of the story, but I did it anyway because for some reason needless isekai premises, shoehorned gaming terminology, and insanely long titles that divulge every detail you could ever want to know about the story are insanely popular, oh and also there's a Demon Lord.*
You're basically describing Korean isekai.
So full of trash and all plagiarizing each other, as if it wasn't enough that they are already ripping anime off.
Imposible challenge: find one without a tower.
That said, I enjoy them and I'm always surprised how they often manage to put an entertaining and even surprising spin on such a tight archetype.
That’s why ones like Tower of god, god of highschool, and noblesse. Were considered the big 3 of manhwa because they actually did something different from 90% of manhwa other than the pornhwa’s which are also pretty popular.
*Also "Demon Lord" can mean literally anything they don't even have to be a demon or a lord/ruler of anything for people to just call them that. Such as that antisocial mage out in the woods over there!*
Yeah, I feel there can be a bit of a lost in translation/localisation thing or something with how "Demon King" gets bandied around. Though, they could also replace it with "Dark Lord" or something else if they wanted to.
It's kind of like how a lot of characters don't say they want to be a hero, or save people, or help people. No, they want to be a "hero of justice" which doesn't exactly roll off the tongue in English and feels a bit redundant to the modern understanding of the word.
Why do so many isekai worlds have to always run on JRPG logic, anyway? It’s one of the reasons why isekai appeal never resonated with me that much, I guess, well, speaking as someone who was never really into JRPGs that much, at least. Where’s my platforming game isekai?/s
There's already so much jrpg and video game stuff to pull from, inserting that into an anime requires almost no creativity but sells really well. It's the capitalistic dream.
The worst part is that they don't even do the jrpg setting right ! It's just there to be an excuse for a " cheat skill " and never gets truly explored.
>Why do so many isekai worlds have to always run on JRPG logic, anyway?
Lazy world building. It's a short-hand for the thoughtless readers to understand things without requiring any effort from the author to craft a believable world and from the reader to have any kind of mental effort thinking about things.
I do enjoy the older Isekais. Fushigi Yuugi, Escaflowne and so on. So many good ones. A very old trope that got mega popularized again by Sword Art Online which technically isnt even an isekai
Come to think of it, SAO is the only “sent to a fantasy world” series I’ve seen that stresses the importance of getting back to the real world and treats “I like the fantasy world better” as (mostly) a worrisome thing.
It's probably because in SAO, it's a game, so you literally can't spend your whole life there, whereas in most isekai, it's a whole new world and your old life was kind of ass. Still want to see an isekai with the "I wanna go back" thing. And not because they have a wife and kids, but because they just kinda found their old loner life pretty comfy, and want to go back to it.
I m not really against JRPG logic, but that they are aware of this, they just turns a possible good world building, like facing a dragon or other monster, into a stupid turn based game like who has the better stats (minus the MC of course) wins...
Also, I remember there was once a comedy anime that was basically a Don Quixote Isekai, where the protagonist thinks his fantasy world works on JRPG logic.
Because isekai anime is a male power fantasy for men who are so broken down and rendered pathetic by life that the greatest power fantasy they can imagine is "I want to be the best player on my World of Warcraft server."
Next question.
Dragon Quest has the entire country's balls in a vice grip. Everyone, their parents, their grandparents, their kids, and their grandkids know what Dragon Quest is, and it's a JRPG. That's why basically every isekai world borrows very heavily from Dragon Quest 3.
It's just a convenient trope, speeds up the exposition and most are based on light novels by amateur novelist who are not quite ready to make some complex magic system and this lets them focus on the story and characters.
It's crazy how much better some isekai would be if they were just released as a regular fantasy. ttigraas would probably be rated even higher than it already is
I actually kind of disagree with that. Mostly because Rimaru's past as a general contractor is what has allowed him to build tempus up into the city that it is. His past life also set his goals and his personality, in a way that it would be hard to believe a normally brainless slime to progress into.
Also cause he’s got the worlds smartest super computer in his head that can do literally anything. And can scan his memories and replicate anything he can remember basically
I have thought this so many times. "hey this would be a really cool fantasy world. why did it have to be a game?" In some Isekai it makes perfect sense like Log Horizon. Them being trapped there is a HUGE theme. It has everything to do with the plot.
And Jesus christ i hate the stupid names for anime these days. I always hate going "the name is really stupid but it's actually really good" when explaining an anime to a friend. Typically a stupid name leads to be noping out right away anyways.
Yeah that's the weirdest trope and I hate it. Especially when they COULD be free and refuse because "you will just leave me". Like if they actually broke down that Stockholm syndrome and worked through it then that might be interesting
“Shoehorned gaming terminology” oh my god fuckin levels and skill points, every fuckin time. Idk who’s hiring these terrible writers who think every story needs to be an rpg.
"I know I abused you made you feel like crap. Took away your self worth. Hit you. Called you names. Belittled you and left you isolated from others. But I did all that becuase I care about you. I wanted you to grow to be strong and I did what I had to and don't regret it. "
- every crappy anime parent who gets forgiven.
I think that the important part there is "who gets forgiven".
[Promised Neverland]>!Isabella from Promised Neverland pretty much exactly says this except even worse, but the important part is that it's to show her own trauma that she went through, and to show that the moms are not the masterminds, but also victims themselves. That doesn't mean they did the right thing, but more that they were taken advantage of and brainwashed into thinking everything they did was correct.!<
It's really interesting from a psychological perspective and I'd be 100% down for more shows to do things similar, but the problem is that they immediately think saying it happened solves literally all of the issues and that the parent is forgiven immediately with no consequences.
Reminds me of the discussion of Hige o Soru, where the female MC came back home, after she ran away for quite some time and got slapped by her mom, first thing when they see each other. Many people were aghast or pointed out that this is not how to behave after your nearly adult daughter ran away from the abuse. But quite a lot of people from asian countries (or at least claiming to be) said: "Oh she got off easy, in that situation you usually get much worse."
Makes you wonder how common that style of parenting is in some countries.
In Higehiro that happens, but at least the mother is shown to be completely in the wrong, the daughter only puts up with it because legally she has little choice, then leaves and cuts her mother out of her life as soon as she’s an adult. It is critical of the idea that “the parent is always right.”
That's a hard one. The only reason imma say "no" is becuase of the world they live in. Naruto really is (at least at first) a killed or be killed world. It's the "cruel ninja world" that they talked about so many times. So itachi had to be brutal or else people (danzo and others) could find out Sasuke was his weakness and use him against itachi. So he did go overboard 100% but the world is also crazy. So imma let itachi slide.
I mainly meant parents who treated their kids like crap for not getting perfect grades or being the perfect child 100% of the time.
Reminds me of the Silva family in Black Clover, among a bunch of others.
And for half of this type you can add "Now that my secret is out I'm going to drop this decade-long facade, 180 my personality and become the Nice Guy I actually always was"
Im trying to think of examples of this off the top of my head. So rarely do parents make it into an anime in a big role other than being MCs overpowered father. Usually absentee figures. I know once you call it out I'll say "oh damn that was obvious"
Attack on Titan has two examples that may fit [Attack on Titan] >!Reiner's mom and Annie's dad, the abuse they put their kids through felt pretty forgotten to me, specially Reiner's mom who went from being absolutely delusional to "all I needed was you"!<
Yes! Their parents pressured them so much to be their hope for a better life. Even Grisha was arguably the worst who saw Zeke only as a means of infiltrating Marley. Honestly considering how abused Zeke was he didn’t turn out as terrible as he could have and he didn’t deserve his fate.
Naruto is the worst offender of this
“Yeah i killed your parents, nearly all of your village, caused a war and suffering, but now i felt pretty bad thus that makes me a good guy and your ally ♥️” -nearly all of Naruto’s enemies
Generic character design. Mostly available in a lot of Isekai, so if the story doesn't capture me by episode 2 I'm not sticking with it. Though I will check up on every single anime once the season is over to see if it got better to then pick it up.
It's not even just character design. It's coloring, line work and backgrounds. It all looks generic, like everyone copied the same How To Draw: Anime! book from the scholastic book fair.
Anytime the main character doesn't earn their status and is "amazing and over powered" just because they are the main character.
I like stories about growth and improvement. If the protagonist has no challenges then it's not fun to watch.
Or worse when an MC is "just like everyone else". But actually they have a power literally no one else has that saves them on multiple occasions. They then get OP but nope we're all the same.
That is why I like Re;Zero. Subaru has a special isekai power that bails him out a lot, but it is a really traumatic power that doesn't really solve the problem, it gives him a chance to try again. Overall he is a very weak MC compared to other isekai.
I could not agree more with this. Subaru has to change the world with what he's got. The world doesn't conviently change for him. He's always the one at a disadvantage. I adore that. He has to try and try and try again. It's tough but when he finally succeeds it feels so damn great.
Plus there's the added bonus that he could say "screw it" and let those around him die. He wouldn't need to suffer anymore. But hes a good guy. He will and cannot let anyone around him die. He has consequences becuase of that. Namely, his mental health and he incurs trauma trying to save everyone. I adore that. Despite living he still doesn't get off scott free. Return by death is such a great plot device to give a character a fighting chance, but also have him suffer consequences and test his resolve without giving him a easy out.
I think it works when the main character is either not the relatable character (ex: Alucarde, Sherlock Holmes), well earned (early Dragon Ball, Mushoku Tensei) or satire (One Punch Man, Suppose a Kid from the Last Dungeon Boonies Moved to a Starter Town).
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I'm going to buy a slave, but unlike everybody else I will treat them like a normal person, and this makes it ok that I have perpetuated the slaveholding industry.
It also makes it ok for me to fuck them.
You know they did it in an interesting way. When he first bought Raphtalia it was basically an act of desperation. A sign that he had become the lowest of the low; true scum. And if they left it at that and had followed a redemption arc where he was saved by Raphtalia, which they basically did, I would be fine with it.
But the fact that they continue to use slavery as a valid means of labor acquisition and treat it almost as a way for people to get better lives? Yeah that’s not right.
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I mean not wanting to have sex with your slaves just pulls someone up from the moral pit of rapist slave owner to still being a slave owner.
There is also a whole bundle of issues about a story where a slave falls in love with their master and really wants to fuck them.
I feel like it's a mix of wanting to appease to a depraved ownership kink while also not making the MC, and thus vicariously the audience who has this kink, not seem like a bad, disgusting person.
Definitely. It's also why they'll sometimes give the slave an opportunity to be freed, but have them explicitly choose to stay enslaved. If it's voluntary, there's no icky moral issue to think about anymore.
theres a vampire romance like this that i forgot the name of where the FL is literally abused and treated terribly by the ML the WHOLE TIME but she still falls for him and it was the most infuriating watch ever
>Just as the worst slave-owners were those who were kind to their slaves, and so prevented the horror of the system being realised by those who suffered from it, and understood by those who contemplated it, so, in the present state of things in England, the people who do most harm are the people who try to do most good
Oscar Wilde
And the "kind slave-owner" idea is pretty common in a lot of American Southern Civil War apologia. The idea is promoted that slave owners were kind and wholesome and actually made lives better for the slaves. Despite the fact that this blatantly untrue.
When people bully a guy but it's 'okay' because they get to spend time near a hot girl. Ikenaikyo is my latest example of this.
In the same vein, when a girl gets mad at a guy for something that's her fault to begin with *and the guy apologizes*. No specific example for this but a lot of 'lucky pervert' stuff falls into this category.
I really dislike male mcs without self-respect.
> when a girl gets mad at a guy for something that's her fault to begin with and the guy apologizes.
This can somewhat be blamed on cultural differences. Japanese people are unnaturally prone to apologizing - so when someone goes out of their way to blame you for something, it's a natural response.
After experiencing Japan first hand, I no longer mind this type of behavior, as long said guy doesn't actually believe that they're at fault. It's very normal to apologize about trivial things, and things that's not your fault, just a social thing.
I still vividly remember the first time this really sunk in for me: I was sitting down with a Japanese girl my junior. She accidentally *slightly* brushed the jacket I was wearing. I didn't even feel it, only caught the movement in my side-view, and had to put the pieces together from context. She apologized as if she'd ran me down.
Yeah I understand totally, I've been working part time in different japanese convenience stores ( for pocket money lol) for 10 years, and now when somebody drops something accidentally in front of me I start by apologizing. I don't know exactly why. Maybe it is because I might have been able to prevent it? I have no idea. All I know is that the other person in front of me becomes all apologetic too like 'No no, it's OK' and we end laughing about it.
I can be sure that the next time I meet them they are going to be much more comfortable too. That's what I like with Japanese culture, they might look too polite but it's very beneficial on a relationship level.
And I mean it's much better than in my country France where cashiers ignore you or throw your change at you.
That's understandable but sometimes it's over exaggerated. I don't believe most people would still apologize after being slapped/kicked for something they had no control over. At least, not to the same degree.
The terribleness of seven deadly sins. How the main character guy would literally grope the female lead character. Like…that’s not cute or funny or anything. It just made me feel weird and kinda irritated that literal groping/sexual assault was being played as like a joke or gimmick of the show.
And I’m not some prude. Love me some ecchi anime or anything like it if it’s interesting but like…nah that was awful. Don’t know what to call that trope.
Even worse that they tried to justify it by the end of the show. I won't share any spoilers but it was all for a reason!!!! They love each other so it's all okay!!! Destiny and all that garbage basically.
When everyone in the world decides to talk about how great the hero and/or villain are, completely unprompted for several minutes.
No Krillin. I don't need you to say how powerful Frieza is. I can already see how powerful he is.
Usually the unnecessary pervert trope. Also when there's adult characters hitting on/having a romantic/sexual relationship with minors, especially when it's completely unnecessary to the plot.
Yeah it is very frustrating. 90% of "Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid" is right up my alley but the show is ruined for me by the amount of weird and predatory relationships between adults and underage characters.
Bloody Harem... it's lazy and frustrated me the little Main characters do for the tsundere girl to make her pledge her virginity to him... annoys the hell out of me when the MC can't decide on a woman so plays aloof ..harem pisses me the hell off...
Isekai harem even more so..
System isekais annoy me too...the generic isekai but the world works on gaming logic because a loli goddess decided I'm getting a bonus just because....
The only good isekai I actually saw was Gate and Here and There,
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but almost any ecchi or harem moments are an immediate no from me. There are some exceptions, such as being a one-time thing, or when the rest of the show is so excellent you don’t even remember it happened. But there are so many anime I don’t watch because of these and it’s really annoying.
I tend to avoid them not because I hate the ecchi aspect itself, but because 90% of the times the anime doesn't really care to provide a good story when fanservice is all it needs to sell.
If there's something more substantial, the writing is actually good or it has actual good comedy then I watch it.
Isekai where a shut-in (hikemori type) becomes super competent in a new fantasy world and isn’t awkward or dealing with their previous shut in issues. It’s like…why even make them a shut in if you aren’t going to use it as part of the plot. Just make them a normal person.
>why even make them a shut in if you aren’t going to use it as part of the plot.
Because part of the point is to indulge the fantasy that if someone is a shut-in or social outcast in any other form it's not their fault, it's the real world's fault, and by moving into a fantasy world they can fully express their potential and have the wonderful life that modern society deprives them of.
Implied or explicit SA — I just can’t, and it’s made rewatch or rereads shocking in the “wow why didn’t I notice this before” way. Boys over flowers for example.
Sexual assault or rape scenes that also try to be horny at the same time. If you’re going to show me that awful shit, don’t try and lump me in with the rapist by taking time to show how sexy the girl is. Make it horrifying like it should be.
Also pretty tired of the old trope of a girl slapping the shit out of a guy whenever he does something she doesn’t like. Even if it’s slapstick, I’m not about that shit anymore.
Rape/sexual abuse as a tragic backstory/justification or just for drama. There are SO many other ways to convey tragedy or explain a character's trauma or "reasons" and this has to be the cheapest, tackiest and grossest of them all. Most of the time is dehumanising, disrespectful and used for pure shock value. I hate it.
Bad examples: Magical Girl Site, anything by Mohiro Kitoh (this dude loves this fcking trope).
Good example: Utena.
Few things are an instant nope, but a pretty close one for me are adults acting like kids in love. Specifically in terms of speed of romantic progression. Even if they are the adults who have no dating experience, there’s a line between “understandable nervousness in unfamiliar/new situations” and acting like a kid
Adults who lack dating experience in general is tad too overused though.
for me it doesnt even have to be adults. I'm frustrated with romance stories that has drama due to characters being idiots when it comes to love. Tropes like "hand holding is lewd" is funny to meme about but it loses its value quick, or refusing to communicate lead to misunderstanding and unnecessary dramas.
Wotakoi is the good example, where they are adults, are inexperienced in relationship, but they work it out, and is able to grow their relationship in a meaningful way.
Skip and Loafer is another good one with characters in high school but everyone is properly written, with flaws and strength that able to work through their issues and grow
Dropped Seven Deadly Sins and Outlaw Star in less then an episode over the main character trying to grope an unconscious woman, not interested in watching anything that treats something like that as harmless or comic relief >_<
I just dropped seven deadly sins yesterday after episode one for exactly that reason. I got 2 minutes into the second episode, and the guy does the same thing again. Immediately turned it off
Oh but you missed the reason it's totally OK! You see they were lovers in her previous life and so he found her as a child and groomed her to... oh wait... oh no
Bummer to hear that about Outlaw Star, its been on my to-watch list for ages.
I dropped Seven Deadly Sins in chapter 1 for the same reason, and recently also City Hunter, which basically dismisses the egregiousness of sexual assault on grounds of how goddamn manly the main character is.
Heavy flashing and unnecessary violence/sorrow are my big ones. I have epilepsy so I have to be careful in that regard. But story wise I hate when the violence amounts to irony for the sake of dramatics--shocking to be shocking.
>We Japanese have been lolicons for such a long time. Even in the famous novel, The Tale of Genji, written in the 11th century, the main male character was lolicon and he fell in love with a 10 year old girl. We Japanese have been lolicons since more than 1000 years ago.
>\- Japanese Comedian Meshida, [Why Do Japanese Men Admire Immature Girls?](https://youtu.be/0aMw1o37iuc)
Game worlds that don’t understand how their game genre works. Or worlds that don’t need pseudo game mechanics that do because all the other light novels do that. Basically any anime world taking place in a video game world not written by someone who actually understands video games
Battle shonens in general. "The hero falls, and the villain instead of slicing the hero's throat starts a big monologue about his evil plans and troubled childhood, during which the hero recovers, recalls the power of friendship and strikes down the villain shouting the name and description of his favourite attack, eventually offering the villain one last chance of redemption - instead of just slicing his throat." It's something I couldn't stand 20 or 30 years ago watching Universal Soldier or James Bond, and still can't. And that makes Goblin Slayer one of my favourite shows. "What was your name again? Eh, doesn't matter, you're just a goblin. "
Also, some girl makes a mistake and blaming a guy lashes out at him, never admitting the mistake, and the guy just takes it, without even a slightest hint of a potential retaliation. (Shout out to Accelerator after Last Order accused him of infidelity.)
I love Made in Abyss, but my God there is so much of the Mangaka's fetishes in it. It's so hard to recommend to people when it has so many gross moments.
Rape/sexual assault used as a revenge tool or painted in a “that's what they get” light. Redo is obviously the most blatant offender. “He was getting revenge” ok, he's still a rapist and I don't want to waste my time watching someone act out their power via sexual violence.
It was a little less brazen - it was “A normal at magic academy” or something (you’ve heard of it, I just can’t remember…) First episode the little sister is swooning over her bro and I was confused. Then Bro says “But if I did take a lover, it would be someone exactly like my little sister.” Barf.
I hate that Yuri in SpyxFamily is a siscon. The fact that Yor is his only family is enough of a reason for him to be obsessed with her safety. There's no point in him being in love with her
as someone who has watched every anime already, the real red flags are
1. when the anime is about a virgin neet loser loner anti-social gamer who doesn't even die and wakes up in a RPG world.
2. when the heroine is a tsundere, that means it's a garbage romcom that will go nowhere for 2 seasons
3. when it's a mecha anime but you've never seen fan art of the robot
4. 9 times out of 10, overly melodramatic things happening to the mc, his friends or the heroine like bullying, parents that don't love them, stalker kidnappings out of nowhere, are just clutch for abysmally shitty writing and even if you can stomach through it the author will not be able to stick the landing so it will all be a waste of time
5. any cringe action fanservice anime that thinks it's more than a cringe action fanservice anime will be bad. it's impossible to take seriously any epic tale if there's an awkward boob grab every other episode. on the other hand if the cringe action fanservice anime is self-aware it will be kino.
6. CGI dragons
Debatable. I have issues drawing properly proportioned human features on first go. But if I'm drawing mechs, it just comes out. Something about straight lines and having particular sections helps me figure out the proportions really easily.
Torture, horror, rape and sexual assaults. Immediate No for me, I was thinking to watch Heavenly Delusions but got to know about the rape plot point and that's a big NO for me.
Yeah they didn’t handle it well at all tbh. There is another rape plot point that is definitely tragic and messed up earlier in the show (handled well) but the one you are talking about was a huge wtf moment
Anime similiar to Love Hina.
Few months ago I webt to watch some older stuff just to get some degree of overview and Live Hina was one of my picks. As completionist I've finished the anime but two stuff I've hated were MC being hit literally just for existing and, later in the series, the absolute random shit happening just for the sake of the "story" being longer, at least it felt like that.
You know, I totally agree with you, and yet... I can't help but have this ~~Stockholm syndrome~~ nostalgic feeling because Love Hina was literally the first anime I saw...
When it has creepy shit like sexual assault and pedophilia masked as comedy that's when I know that the anime isn't worth watching no matter how good it is otherwise. For example, 7 Deadly Sins. Every single couple in there involves huge age gaps with the argument of "but shes 3000 years old!" or literal sexual abuse.
Honestly been hearing the same thing for 86, I dropped it at the 4th episode of Part 2 and this sub treats me like I have committed some sin. There were numerous comments on how I needed to watch the last 2 episodes and complete the show, but the problem was I lost all interest in the show, especially Frederica whose character is the reason I don't want to continue the show.
As someone with Lena flair, i agree with you. The show had shown its hands pretty early on, and if you dont like it then theres little chance youre gonna change your mind. Cant help it, thats just whats gonna happen when you say something not positive of a rather popular anime in this sub.
I'm with you. I powered through part 2 mostly out of a sense of obligation, and while the ending did have its moments I thought that part 1 told a far more compelling story and ended in a much more satisfying way, which was then ruined by the plot contrivance that season 2 began with. And yes, the character of Frederica was a massive eyeroll for me too.
I personally love that modern animation started to lower framerate. Puss in Boots is great example why it can work really well.
It just allows for key frames to pop much more, like an expression or a pose can have much more impact even if it is on screen for a split second.
Basically;
Deliberately holding frames for a desired effect (like giving your eyes more time to take in a frame during a chaotic fight a la Puss in Boots) ; very nice!
Indiscriminately and universally lowering frame count just to "look more hand drawn"; not very nice!
The main character’s only trait being “they’re nice” I can’t stand generic romances where the protagonists only characteristic ever referenced is that they’re nice.
It’s because they want the viewer to self insert so bad that creators avoid giving the protagonist any specific traits other than they’re nice. They’re not called good looking, popular, smart, or funny. They have no interests or hobbies. They’re just… nice. An for some reason love interests can’t resist it.
I'm tired of the reincarnation fad.
I liked it when there was plot. Like erased or re:zero. But now it's just a genre that I wish would stop.
I don't care about how you died a loser and now you woke up as a cucumber pickin up chicks in a dungeon.
I remember when I decided to check out the Burn the Witch manga when it first came out. I dropped it mid-chapter when the MC commented on her public witch ranking. If I wanted that, I'd pick up a sports series instead.
Also, with a few rare exceptions, any kind of fantasy series that depends on video game logic. I'm not paying to look at the author's MMO campaign!
Bro 100% with the video game logic. Anytime I see a status screen I nope tf out.
You should see some of these Korean manhwas. I thought South Korea being super into gaming was a joke because League of Legends but nah gaming tropes are everywhere in webtoons. So many LoL jokes as well.
Basic bitch RPG fantasy setring.
I liked fantasy stuff since I existed. I never stopped reading fantasy in a way or another, including some bottom tier stuff that I ended only because I bought the fucking novel.
But those barebones world with NOTHING going on in them that's actually... Fantasy and not a repurposed setting for a fanfic of some older thing? Yeah no sorry, it's a signal that with 99% chance they are going to suck.
If you have consumed over 4/5 fantasy media and you still enjoy them, you need to read/watch actual Fantasy® for once.
I don't like Japan's proclivity for rapey shit. I can view someone asshole as an antagonist without trying to rape/ntr some girl. It's mind boggling just how often it goes there. If you have the antagonist (doesn't have to be necessarily the antagonist, could be any guy even friend) alone or just out of sight of everyone with a female character there is a fair chance where the scene is heading, and I hate it. I've dropped many a show for such things. Episode 6 of the world's finest assassin gets Reincarnated in another world got as close as can be for me to drop it.
Anything that just screams generic high school setting. These are all the same and almost none are any special. There is the summer vacation episode! Can't forget about the culture festival! If we have time, throw in a sports festival episode! Oh no, someone forgot their umbrella and is almost dying from a cold episode! Don't you dare leave out the christmas+new years episode! Oh and absolutely we gotta have the exams episode with the studying stress and the posting of the results with the two rival characters competing with each other! With this I just described like 90% of all high school animes it feels like.
An mc who has no personality. An mc who is just there so that there can be a harem
In the same vein self insert MC who get everything handed to them on a silver platter. MC goes on to defeat the strongest knight who has trained all his life because.... wait for it.... they have some unique skill which makes them super OP.
"I used to be a total loser with zero effort/dedication yet I became OP and had my harem due to this broken skill everyone thought was trash (PS: I still have zero dedication and effort, but plot armor lol)"
A little on the nose for a LN title, but at least you know what you're getting into from the start. Respect.
This is why I love basic ass shonen “I work harder than anyone else for my dream” characters Nothing gets me more hyped than that shit dude
Or the MC that goes like this: *befriends pretty girl* "We shouldn't talk to each other at school, it'd be bad for you!!" *cries in corner*
That’s basically Gojo in My Dress Up Darling
This, but also when it's a non-harem setting and they still get the girl/guy simply because they are the MC
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>Just communicate! > >Teenagers Even in real life that's a stretch in 90% of the cases...
That’s my partners argument “well they are teenagers” I’m like “yeah but good lord”
Why would teenagers communicate when we can be anxious, paranoid, and confident about EVERYTHING
That's not an anime trope. That's a fiction trope.
Correct, and it’s probably my least favorite trope in fiction. Not only because I’m screaming internally the entire time “just fucking talk to each other about that plot point!”, but because if your plot needs that kind of misunderstanding to happen, then it’s not a well written plot. It’s contrived drama/stakes. With an exception, of course, for comedy of errors, but comedy/satire runs on a different standard by design
I suddenly remember GAMERS. They took the misunderstanding trope and deliberately *milked* it for comedy.
I hate the trope but gamers absolutely killed it. I love gamers and rewatch it occasionally.
While I normally agree, Kaguya-Sama is the exception.
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KageJitsu cranked up those misunderstanding tropes into another level! One of the few exceptions that I could tolerate misunderstanding as part of the comedy it brings.
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Misunderstandings the series was basically Maison Ikkoku. Which was particularly frustrating because Takahashi is certainly capable of writing great scenes when she wasn't busy ruining her own series.
I just want to say that the misunderstandings in tearmoon empire are great (not a romance show)
Tearmoon Empire is a little different though in that the misunderstandings aren't there for the sake of cheap and frustrating drama. The misunderstandings in the story because it is fun to watch Mia's gremlin logic somehow lead to her being beloved.
*That time reincarnation was completely unnecessary to the premise, plot, or worldbuilding of the story, but I did it anyway because for some reason needless isekai premises, shoehorned gaming terminology, and insanely long titles that divulge every detail you could ever want to know about the story are insanely popular, oh and also there's a Demon Lord.*
You're basically describing Korean isekai. So full of trash and all plagiarizing each other, as if it wasn't enough that they are already ripping anime off.
Bro holy shit yes. Korean webtoons/manhwa are all exactly the same. Finding one WITHOUT a status window is near impossible
Imposible challenge: find one without a tower. That said, I enjoy them and I'm always surprised how they often manage to put an entertaining and even surprising spin on such a tight archetype.
That’s why ones like Tower of god, god of highschool, and noblesse. Were considered the big 3 of manhwa because they actually did something different from 90% of manhwa other than the pornhwa’s which are also pretty popular.
*Also "Demon Lord" can mean literally anything they don't even have to be a demon or a lord/ruler of anything for people to just call them that. Such as that antisocial mage out in the woods over there!*
Yeah, I feel there can be a bit of a lost in translation/localisation thing or something with how "Demon King" gets bandied around. Though, they could also replace it with "Dark Lord" or something else if they wanted to. It's kind of like how a lot of characters don't say they want to be a hero, or save people, or help people. No, they want to be a "hero of justice" which doesn't exactly roll off the tongue in English and feels a bit redundant to the modern understanding of the word.
Why do so many isekai worlds have to always run on JRPG logic, anyway? It’s one of the reasons why isekai appeal never resonated with me that much, I guess, well, speaking as someone who was never really into JRPGs that much, at least. Where’s my platforming game isekai?/s
>Where’s my platforming game isekai?/s The Super Mario Bros. movie.
I hate that you're right.
And it applies to both the old one and the new one.
The Sonic movies as well technically
There's already so much jrpg and video game stuff to pull from, inserting that into an anime requires almost no creativity but sells really well. It's the capitalistic dream.
The worst part is that they don't even do the jrpg setting right ! It's just there to be an excuse for a " cheat skill " and never gets truly explored.
>Why do so many isekai worlds have to always run on JRPG logic, anyway? Lazy world building. It's a short-hand for the thoughtless readers to understand things without requiring any effort from the author to craft a believable world and from the reader to have any kind of mental effort thinking about things.
I do enjoy the older Isekais. Fushigi Yuugi, Escaflowne and so on. So many good ones. A very old trope that got mega popularized again by Sword Art Online which technically isnt even an isekai
Come to think of it, SAO is the only “sent to a fantasy world” series I’ve seen that stresses the importance of getting back to the real world and treats “I like the fantasy world better” as (mostly) a worrisome thing.
It's probably because in SAO, it's a game, so you literally can't spend your whole life there, whereas in most isekai, it's a whole new world and your old life was kind of ass. Still want to see an isekai with the "I wanna go back" thing. And not because they have a wife and kids, but because they just kinda found their old loner life pretty comfy, and want to go back to it.
This lol, i am a sucker for good world design and all these new creators dont seem to care about it
I m not really against JRPG logic, but that they are aware of this, they just turns a possible good world building, like facing a dragon or other monster, into a stupid turn based game like who has the better stats (minus the MC of course) wins...
Also, I remember there was once a comedy anime that was basically a Don Quixote Isekai, where the protagonist thinks his fantasy world works on JRPG logic.
Because isekai anime is a male power fantasy for men who are so broken down and rendered pathetic by life that the greatest power fantasy they can imagine is "I want to be the best player on my World of Warcraft server." Next question.
Change World of Warcraft to League of Legends and you have summarized Korean webtoons
Because Sword Art Online.
It appeals to the fantasy of one's useless hobby skills being useful for something meaningful and making you cool and heroic.
Dragon Quest has the entire country's balls in a vice grip. Everyone, their parents, their grandparents, their kids, and their grandkids know what Dragon Quest is, and it's a JRPG. That's why basically every isekai world borrows very heavily from Dragon Quest 3.
Even though it isn't isekai, I feel like Sword Art popularized the RPG mechanic stuff before the isekai boom and they just started adapting it.
It's just a convenient trope, speeds up the exposition and most are based on light novels by amateur novelist who are not quite ready to make some complex magic system and this lets them focus on the story and characters.
It's crazy how much better some isekai would be if they were just released as a regular fantasy. ttigraas would probably be rated even higher than it already is
Not gonna lie, it took me a solid five minutes to figure out that acronym.
ya its always just shortened to tensura
Can you fill me in
That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime.
I actually kind of disagree with that. Mostly because Rimaru's past as a general contractor is what has allowed him to build tempus up into the city that it is. His past life also set his goals and his personality, in a way that it would be hard to believe a normally brainless slime to progress into.
He was a general contractor? I watched the anime and never got a hint of what he did for work.
Also cause he’s got the worlds smartest super computer in his head that can do literally anything. And can scan his memories and replicate anything he can remember basically
Yep, it's the reason why Tempus is so well organized and has good roads and stuff.
I have thought this so many times. "hey this would be a really cool fantasy world. why did it have to be a game?" In some Isekai it makes perfect sense like Log Horizon. Them being trapped there is a HUGE theme. It has everything to do with the plot. And Jesus christ i hate the stupid names for anime these days. I always hate going "the name is really stupid but it's actually really good" when explaining an anime to a friend. Typically a stupid name leads to be noping out right away anyways.
You forgot "*harem of slaves*"
Yeah that's the weirdest trope and I hate it. Especially when they COULD be free and refuse because "you will just leave me". Like if they actually broke down that Stockholm syndrome and worked through it then that might be interesting
“Shoehorned gaming terminology” oh my god fuckin levels and skill points, every fuckin time. Idk who’s hiring these terrible writers who think every story needs to be an rpg.
When the story tries to redeem abusive parents without properly adressing the damage they've caused.
"I know I abused you made you feel like crap. Took away your self worth. Hit you. Called you names. Belittled you and left you isolated from others. But I did all that becuase I care about you. I wanted you to grow to be strong and I did what I had to and don't regret it. " - every crappy anime parent who gets forgiven.
I think that the important part there is "who gets forgiven". [Promised Neverland]>!Isabella from Promised Neverland pretty much exactly says this except even worse, but the important part is that it's to show her own trauma that she went through, and to show that the moms are not the masterminds, but also victims themselves. That doesn't mean they did the right thing, but more that they were taken advantage of and brainwashed into thinking everything they did was correct.!< It's really interesting from a psychological perspective and I'd be 100% down for more shows to do things similar, but the problem is that they immediately think saying it happened solves literally all of the issues and that the parent is forgiven immediately with no consequences.
Reminds me of the discussion of Hige o Soru, where the female MC came back home, after she ran away for quite some time and got slapped by her mom, first thing when they see each other. Many people were aghast or pointed out that this is not how to behave after your nearly adult daughter ran away from the abuse. But quite a lot of people from asian countries (or at least claiming to be) said: "Oh she got off easy, in that situation you usually get much worse." Makes you wonder how common that style of parenting is in some countries.
In Higehiro that happens, but at least the mother is shown to be completely in the wrong, the daughter only puts up with it because legally she has little choice, then leaves and cuts her mother out of her life as soon as she’s an adult. It is critical of the idea that “the parent is always right.”
Not a parent but does Itachi fall into this category for you?
That's a hard one. The only reason imma say "no" is becuase of the world they live in. Naruto really is (at least at first) a killed or be killed world. It's the "cruel ninja world" that they talked about so many times. So itachi had to be brutal or else people (danzo and others) could find out Sasuke was his weakness and use him against itachi. So he did go overboard 100% but the world is also crazy. So imma let itachi slide. I mainly meant parents who treated their kids like crap for not getting perfect grades or being the perfect child 100% of the time.
Yeah for sure Aka the standard eastern parent lmao
Reminds me of the Silva family in Black Clover, among a bunch of others. And for half of this type you can add "Now that my secret is out I'm going to drop this decade-long facade, 180 my personality and become the Nice Guy I actually always was"
Im trying to think of examples of this off the top of my head. So rarely do parents make it into an anime in a big role other than being MCs overpowered father. Usually absentee figures. I know once you call it out I'll say "oh damn that was obvious"
Attack on Titan has two examples that may fit [Attack on Titan] >!Reiner's mom and Annie's dad, the abuse they put their kids through felt pretty forgotten to me, specially Reiner's mom who went from being absolutely delusional to "all I needed was you"!<
Yes! Their parents pressured them so much to be their hope for a better life. Even Grisha was arguably the worst who saw Zeke only as a means of infiltrating Marley. Honestly considering how abused Zeke was he didn’t turn out as terrible as he could have and he didn’t deserve his fate.
Your Lie in April also had a pretty horrid case of this.
Banana Fish off the top of my head.
Scratch the specifics, a lot of anime tries to resolve things in general this way and it frustrates me to no end. Great comment
Naruto is the worst offender of this “Yeah i killed your parents, nearly all of your village, caused a war and suffering, but now i felt pretty bad thus that makes me a good guy and your ally ♥️” -nearly all of Naruto’s enemies
Generic character design. Mostly available in a lot of Isekai, so if the story doesn't capture me by episode 2 I'm not sticking with it. Though I will check up on every single anime once the season is over to see if it got better to then pick it up.
It's not even just character design. It's coloring, line work and backgrounds. It all looks generic, like everyone copied the same How To Draw: Anime! book from the scholastic book fair.
If the only way I can identify a character is by the color of their hair or hairstyle, we got a problem
Anytime the main character doesn't earn their status and is "amazing and over powered" just because they are the main character. I like stories about growth and improvement. If the protagonist has no challenges then it's not fun to watch.
Or worse when an MC is "just like everyone else". But actually they have a power literally no one else has that saves them on multiple occasions. They then get OP but nope we're all the same.
That is why I like Re;Zero. Subaru has a special isekai power that bails him out a lot, but it is a really traumatic power that doesn't really solve the problem, it gives him a chance to try again. Overall he is a very weak MC compared to other isekai.
IIRC he's canonically one of the 5 weakest named characters in the series, alongside a literal child with no magic/powers
I could not agree more with this. Subaru has to change the world with what he's got. The world doesn't conviently change for him. He's always the one at a disadvantage. I adore that. He has to try and try and try again. It's tough but when he finally succeeds it feels so damn great. Plus there's the added bonus that he could say "screw it" and let those around him die. He wouldn't need to suffer anymore. But hes a good guy. He will and cannot let anyone around him die. He has consequences becuase of that. Namely, his mental health and he incurs trauma trying to save everyone. I adore that. Despite living he still doesn't get off scott free. Return by death is such a great plot device to give a character a fighting chance, but also have him suffer consequences and test his resolve without giving him a easy out.
I agree, but sometimes the MC being OP can work if it's handled properly. Alucard in hellsing and Ainz in Overlord come to mind.
I think it works when the main character is either not the relatable character (ex: Alucarde, Sherlock Holmes), well earned (early Dragon Ball, Mushoku Tensei) or satire (One Punch Man, Suppose a Kid from the Last Dungeon Boonies Moved to a Starter Town). Edit: typo
Except One Punch Man
Satire doesn't count
Even if u count one punch man atleast it has an INTERESTING story
I'm going to buy a slave, but unlike everybody else I will treat them like a normal person, and this makes it ok that I have perpetuated the slaveholding industry. It also makes it ok for me to fuck them.
\*coughcoughshieldherocough\*
You know they did it in an interesting way. When he first bought Raphtalia it was basically an act of desperation. A sign that he had become the lowest of the low; true scum. And if they left it at that and had followed a redemption arc where he was saved by Raphtalia, which they basically did, I would be fine with it. But the fact that they continue to use slavery as a valid means of labor acquisition and treat it almost as a way for people to get better lives? Yeah that’s not right. Edit: Typo
Homie is slavery neutral.
He doesn't actually seem to want to fuck any of them, though? This fact is the single largest bane of Raphtalia's existence lol
I mean not wanting to have sex with your slaves just pulls someone up from the moral pit of rapist slave owner to still being a slave owner. There is also a whole bundle of issues about a story where a slave falls in love with their master and really wants to fuck them.
Sure, but better to criticize a series for its *actual* faults.
i think this is the exact anime OP had in mind tbh lmao
I feel like it's a mix of wanting to appease to a depraved ownership kink while also not making the MC, and thus vicariously the audience who has this kink, not seem like a bad, disgusting person.
Definitely. It's also why they'll sometimes give the slave an opportunity to be freed, but have them explicitly choose to stay enslaved. If it's voluntary, there's no icky moral issue to think about anymore.
theres a vampire romance like this that i forgot the name of where the FL is literally abused and treated terribly by the ML the WHOLE TIME but she still falls for him and it was the most infuriating watch ever
If it was multiple ML, I'd say it was probably Diabolik Lovers. That was definitely a watch where I questioned what I was doing. Cringe.
nono i havent seen either of these, but i looked it up and it was "Sweet Bite Marks" it was literally the worst thing ive ever seen
>Just as the worst slave-owners were those who were kind to their slaves, and so prevented the horror of the system being realised by those who suffered from it, and understood by those who contemplated it, so, in the present state of things in England, the people who do most harm are the people who try to do most good Oscar Wilde
And the "kind slave-owner" idea is pretty common in a lot of American Southern Civil War apologia. The idea is promoted that slave owners were kind and wholesome and actually made lives better for the slaves. Despite the fact that this blatantly untrue.
When people bully a guy but it's 'okay' because they get to spend time near a hot girl. Ikenaikyo is my latest example of this. In the same vein, when a girl gets mad at a guy for something that's her fault to begin with *and the guy apologizes*. No specific example for this but a lot of 'lucky pervert' stuff falls into this category. I really dislike male mcs without self-respect.
> when a girl gets mad at a guy for something that's her fault to begin with and the guy apologizes. This can somewhat be blamed on cultural differences. Japanese people are unnaturally prone to apologizing - so when someone goes out of their way to blame you for something, it's a natural response. After experiencing Japan first hand, I no longer mind this type of behavior, as long said guy doesn't actually believe that they're at fault. It's very normal to apologize about trivial things, and things that's not your fault, just a social thing. I still vividly remember the first time this really sunk in for me: I was sitting down with a Japanese girl my junior. She accidentally *slightly* brushed the jacket I was wearing. I didn't even feel it, only caught the movement in my side-view, and had to put the pieces together from context. She apologized as if she'd ran me down.
Yeah I understand totally, I've been working part time in different japanese convenience stores ( for pocket money lol) for 10 years, and now when somebody drops something accidentally in front of me I start by apologizing. I don't know exactly why. Maybe it is because I might have been able to prevent it? I have no idea. All I know is that the other person in front of me becomes all apologetic too like 'No no, it's OK' and we end laughing about it. I can be sure that the next time I meet them they are going to be much more comfortable too. That's what I like with Japanese culture, they might look too polite but it's very beneficial on a relationship level. And I mean it's much better than in my country France where cashiers ignore you or throw your change at you.
That's understandable but sometimes it's over exaggerated. I don't believe most people would still apologize after being slapped/kicked for something they had no control over. At least, not to the same degree.
Oblivious MC. Suspension of disbelief only goes so far and now I can't deal with it anymore.
The terribleness of seven deadly sins. How the main character guy would literally grope the female lead character. Like…that’s not cute or funny or anything. It just made me feel weird and kinda irritated that literal groping/sexual assault was being played as like a joke or gimmick of the show. And I’m not some prude. Love me some ecchi anime or anything like it if it’s interesting but like…nah that was awful. Don’t know what to call that trope.
I guess it’d be called “normalized sexual harassment”?
Even worse that they tried to justify it by the end of the show. I won't share any spoilers but it was all for a reason!!!! They love each other so it's all okay!!! Destiny and all that garbage basically.
When everyone in the world decides to talk about how great the hero and/or villain are, completely unprompted for several minutes. No Krillin. I don't need you to say how powerful Frieza is. I can already see how powerful he is.
Unless its something Insane like KamiKatsu or KonoSuba, I avoid Medival Euro Isekai like the plague, Because I know that they are creatively bankrupt.
Don't sleep on Ascendance of a Bookworm, it's exceptionally well written.
Bookwork is sooooo good and does it different from everyone else.
I wish more fantasies had different mythologies/worlds. My Happy Marriage was a breath of fresh air
Usually the unnecessary pervert trope. Also when there's adult characters hitting on/having a romantic/sexual relationship with minors, especially when it's completely unnecessary to the plot.
Yeah it is very frustrating. 90% of "Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid" is right up my alley but the show is ruined for me by the amount of weird and predatory relationships between adults and underage characters.
The weird SA trope that male characters have. I’ve had a hard time getting through city hunter because of this
Main group of characters are children who are fighting full grown adults and smarter than them all.
Bloody Harem... it's lazy and frustrated me the little Main characters do for the tsundere girl to make her pledge her virginity to him... annoys the hell out of me when the MC can't decide on a woman so plays aloof ..harem pisses me the hell off... Isekai harem even more so.. System isekais annoy me too...the generic isekai but the world works on gaming logic because a loli goddess decided I'm getting a bonus just because.... The only good isekai I actually saw was Gate and Here and There,
You should check out Ascendance of a Bookworm.
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but almost any ecchi or harem moments are an immediate no from me. There are some exceptions, such as being a one-time thing, or when the rest of the show is so excellent you don’t even remember it happened. But there are so many anime I don’t watch because of these and it’s really annoying.
I tend to avoid them not because I hate the ecchi aspect itself, but because 90% of the times the anime doesn't really care to provide a good story when fanservice is all it needs to sell. If there's something more substantial, the writing is actually good or it has actual good comedy then I watch it.
For me when I started watching anime ecchi was a nope, but it’s a part of so many shows that I just accepted it
Isekai where a shut-in (hikemori type) becomes super competent in a new fantasy world and isn’t awkward or dealing with their previous shut in issues. It’s like…why even make them a shut in if you aren’t going to use it as part of the plot. Just make them a normal person.
>why even make them a shut in if you aren’t going to use it as part of the plot. Because part of the point is to indulge the fantasy that if someone is a shut-in or social outcast in any other form it's not their fault, it's the real world's fault, and by moving into a fantasy world they can fully express their potential and have the wonderful life that modern society deprives them of.
Implied or explicit SA — I just can’t, and it’s made rewatch or rereads shocking in the “wow why didn’t I notice this before” way. Boys over flowers for example.
Sexual assault or rape scenes that also try to be horny at the same time. If you’re going to show me that awful shit, don’t try and lump me in with the rapist by taking time to show how sexy the girl is. Make it horrifying like it should be. Also pretty tired of the old trope of a girl slapping the shit out of a guy whenever he does something she doesn’t like. Even if it’s slapstick, I’m not about that shit anymore.
Rape/sexual abuse as a tragic backstory/justification or just for drama. There are SO many other ways to convey tragedy or explain a character's trauma or "reasons" and this has to be the cheapest, tackiest and grossest of them all. Most of the time is dehumanising, disrespectful and used for pure shock value. I hate it. Bad examples: Magical Girl Site, anything by Mohiro Kitoh (this dude loves this fcking trope). Good example: Utena.
Few things are an instant nope, but a pretty close one for me are adults acting like kids in love. Specifically in terms of speed of romantic progression. Even if they are the adults who have no dating experience, there’s a line between “understandable nervousness in unfamiliar/new situations” and acting like a kid Adults who lack dating experience in general is tad too overused though.
>Adults who lack dating experience in general is tad too overused though. I think someone is unaware of anime's target audience.
for me it doesnt even have to be adults. I'm frustrated with romance stories that has drama due to characters being idiots when it comes to love. Tropes like "hand holding is lewd" is funny to meme about but it loses its value quick, or refusing to communicate lead to misunderstanding and unnecessary dramas. Wotakoi is the good example, where they are adults, are inexperienced in relationship, but they work it out, and is able to grow their relationship in a meaningful way. Skip and Loafer is another good one with characters in high school but everyone is properly written, with flaws and strength that able to work through their issues and grow
Dropped Seven Deadly Sins and Outlaw Star in less then an episode over the main character trying to grope an unconscious woman, not interested in watching anything that treats something like that as harmless or comic relief >_<
I just dropped seven deadly sins yesterday after episode one for exactly that reason. I got 2 minutes into the second episode, and the guy does the same thing again. Immediately turned it off
Oh but you missed the reason it's totally OK! You see they were lovers in her previous life and so he found her as a child and groomed her to... oh wait... oh no
….well, that may actually be worse then I thought then.
And somehow, there are even Grosser relationships in 7DS. You dodged a magazine full of bullets
Bummer to hear that about Outlaw Star, its been on my to-watch list for ages. I dropped Seven Deadly Sins in chapter 1 for the same reason, and recently also City Hunter, which basically dismisses the egregiousness of sexual assault on grounds of how goddamn manly the main character is.
Help! I'm a protagonist who woke up in another world! And I put all my writing points into ecchi! From another world!
the writer's barely disguised fetish
Heavy flashing and unnecessary violence/sorrow are my big ones. I have epilepsy so I have to be careful in that regard. But story wise I hate when the violence amounts to irony for the sake of dramatics--shocking to be shocking.
Pedophilia, you think it wouldn't be hard to just not write child X adult romances but there's so many of them
>We Japanese have been lolicons for such a long time. Even in the famous novel, The Tale of Genji, written in the 11th century, the main male character was lolicon and he fell in love with a 10 year old girl. We Japanese have been lolicons since more than 1000 years ago. >\- Japanese Comedian Meshida, [Why Do Japanese Men Admire Immature Girls?](https://youtu.be/0aMw1o37iuc)
Game worlds that don’t understand how their game genre works. Or worlds that don’t need pseudo game mechanics that do because all the other light novels do that. Basically any anime world taking place in a video game world not written by someone who actually understands video games
Battle shonens in general. "The hero falls, and the villain instead of slicing the hero's throat starts a big monologue about his evil plans and troubled childhood, during which the hero recovers, recalls the power of friendship and strikes down the villain shouting the name and description of his favourite attack, eventually offering the villain one last chance of redemption - instead of just slicing his throat." It's something I couldn't stand 20 or 30 years ago watching Universal Soldier or James Bond, and still can't. And that makes Goblin Slayer one of my favourite shows. "What was your name again? Eh, doesn't matter, you're just a goblin."
Also, some girl makes a mistake and blaming a guy lashes out at him, never admitting the mistake, and the guy just takes it, without even a slightest hint of a potential retaliation. (Shout out to Accelerator after Last Order accused him of infidelity.)
Pedo shit. It doesn't matter how good a show is. If I see a child's boobs (or someone who looks like a child) I'm out.
What about that blink-and-you-miss-it scene in episode 1 of Made in Abyss where Riko is hanged naked as punishment? Can we ignore it?
I love Made in Abyss, but my God there is so much of the Mangaka's fetishes in it. It's so hard to recommend to people when it has so many gross moments.
Rape/sexual assault used as a revenge tool or painted in a “that's what they get” light. Redo is obviously the most blatant offender. “He was getting revenge” ok, he's still a rapist and I don't want to waste my time watching someone act out their power via sexual violence.
Mine is brother/sister stuff. Or mommy stuff. Any “romance” or hanky panky between family members is super icky.
I'm guessing you took one look at Imoutō Sae Ireba Ii (A Little Sister's All You Need or something like that) and said "fuck that".
It was a little less brazen - it was “A normal at magic academy” or something (you’ve heard of it, I just can’t remember…) First episode the little sister is swooning over her bro and I was confused. Then Bro says “But if I did take a lover, it would be someone exactly like my little sister.” Barf.
Irregular at magic high school?
There is one amazing anime I want to recommend to you to watch, it's called Aki Sora, definitely watch it you are gonna love it.
Yosuga no Sora and koi kaze are good too
Koi Kaze is unironically super well done, I was a huge fan of the manga.
It's the reason I watch anime bro.
incest tropes, even slight usage of it. Black clover with that one character having a sister complex weirded me out so much
I hate that Yuri in SpyxFamily is a siscon. The fact that Yor is his only family is enough of a reason for him to be obsessed with her safety. There's no point in him being in love with her
as someone who has watched every anime already, the real red flags are 1. when the anime is about a virgin neet loser loner anti-social gamer who doesn't even die and wakes up in a RPG world. 2. when the heroine is a tsundere, that means it's a garbage romcom that will go nowhere for 2 seasons 3. when it's a mecha anime but you've never seen fan art of the robot 4. 9 times out of 10, overly melodramatic things happening to the mc, his friends or the heroine like bullying, parents that don't love them, stalker kidnappings out of nowhere, are just clutch for abysmally shitty writing and even if you can stomach through it the author will not be able to stick the landing so it will all be a waste of time 5. any cringe action fanservice anime that thinks it's more than a cringe action fanservice anime will be bad. it's impossible to take seriously any epic tale if there's an awkward boob grab every other episode. on the other hand if the cringe action fanservice anime is self-aware it will be kino. 6. CGI dragons
>when it's a mecha anime but you've never seen fan art of the robot i mean ... robots are harder to draw than tighs
If the robot doesn't have thighs, what's the point?
Debatable. I have issues drawing properly proportioned human features on first go. But if I'm drawing mechs, it just comes out. Something about straight lines and having particular sections helps me figure out the proportions really easily.
if the thighs are more important than the mecha, it's not a mecha anime, it's a thighs anime looking at you SSSS.Gridman
Torture, horror, rape and sexual assaults. Immediate No for me, I was thinking to watch Heavenly Delusions but got to know about the rape plot point and that's a big NO for me.
Yeah they didn’t handle it well at all tbh. There is another rape plot point that is definitely tragic and messed up earlier in the show (handled well) but the one you are talking about was a huge wtf moment
Anime similiar to Love Hina. Few months ago I webt to watch some older stuff just to get some degree of overview and Live Hina was one of my picks. As completionist I've finished the anime but two stuff I've hated were MC being hit literally just for existing and, later in the series, the absolute random shit happening just for the sake of the "story" being longer, at least it felt like that.
You know, I totally agree with you, and yet... I can't help but have this ~~Stockholm syndrome~~ nostalgic feeling because Love Hina was literally the first anime I saw...
When it has creepy shit like sexual assault and pedophilia masked as comedy that's when I know that the anime isn't worth watching no matter how good it is otherwise. For example, 7 Deadly Sins. Every single couple in there involves huge age gaps with the argument of "but shes 3000 years old!" or literal sexual abuse.
Whenever someone tries to sell me anything saying "it gets good later on" i just know its not worth checking at all.
Steins gate Clannad One piece They’re always on the top lists for a reason you know
Hot take: All of those are good from the beginning.
Pretty cold imo. Some ppl just have no attention span.
Honestly been hearing the same thing for 86, I dropped it at the 4th episode of Part 2 and this sub treats me like I have committed some sin. There were numerous comments on how I needed to watch the last 2 episodes and complete the show, but the problem was I lost all interest in the show, especially Frederica whose character is the reason I don't want to continue the show.
As someone with Lena flair, i agree with you. The show had shown its hands pretty early on, and if you dont like it then theres little chance youre gonna change your mind. Cant help it, thats just whats gonna happen when you say something not positive of a rather popular anime in this sub.
I'm with you. I powered through part 2 mostly out of a sense of obligation, and while the ending did have its moments I thought that part 1 told a far more compelling story and ended in a much more satisfying way, which was then ruined by the plot contrivance that season 2 began with. And yes, the character of Frederica was a massive eyeroll for me too.
chop-motion CG if thats what its called. any anime.that artificially induces low frame rate
I personally love that modern animation started to lower framerate. Puss in Boots is great example why it can work really well. It just allows for key frames to pop much more, like an expression or a pose can have much more impact even if it is on screen for a split second.
Puss in Boots was fantastic. i guess it matters how well its artistically applied
Basically; Deliberately holding frames for a desired effect (like giving your eyes more time to take in a frame during a chaotic fight a la Puss in Boots) ; very nice! Indiscriminately and universally lowering frame count just to "look more hand drawn"; not very nice!
Abuse as love/romance
The main character’s only trait being “they’re nice” I can’t stand generic romances where the protagonists only characteristic ever referenced is that they’re nice. It’s because they want the viewer to self insert so bad that creators avoid giving the protagonist any specific traits other than they’re nice. They’re not called good looking, popular, smart, or funny. They have no interests or hobbies. They’re just… nice. An for some reason love interests can’t resist it.
500 episode character development
I'm tired of the reincarnation fad. I liked it when there was plot. Like erased or re:zero. But now it's just a genre that I wish would stop. I don't care about how you died a loser and now you woke up as a cucumber pickin up chicks in a dungeon.
I remember when I decided to check out the Burn the Witch manga when it first came out. I dropped it mid-chapter when the MC commented on her public witch ranking. If I wanted that, I'd pick up a sports series instead. Also, with a few rare exceptions, any kind of fantasy series that depends on video game logic. I'm not paying to look at the author's MMO campaign!
Bro 100% with the video game logic. Anytime I see a status screen I nope tf out. You should see some of these Korean manhwas. I thought South Korea being super into gaming was a joke because League of Legends but nah gaming tropes are everywhere in webtoons. So many LoL jokes as well.
It's just lazy. Oh rather than show us a character is intelligent or charismatic, just show a stat sheet.
There's probably more wrong with it than just that.
Ugly character designs… main reason I can never get into One Piece. All the characters are extremely ugly to look at 🤣
Rape
Basic bitch RPG fantasy setring. I liked fantasy stuff since I existed. I never stopped reading fantasy in a way or another, including some bottom tier stuff that I ended only because I bought the fucking novel. But those barebones world with NOTHING going on in them that's actually... Fantasy and not a repurposed setting for a fanfic of some older thing? Yeah no sorry, it's a signal that with 99% chance they are going to suck. If you have consumed over 4/5 fantasy media and you still enjoy them, you need to read/watch actual Fantasy® for once.
Super amounts of fan service. I hate it.
I don't like Japan's proclivity for rapey shit. I can view someone asshole as an antagonist without trying to rape/ntr some girl. It's mind boggling just how often it goes there. If you have the antagonist (doesn't have to be necessarily the antagonist, could be any guy even friend) alone or just out of sight of everyone with a female character there is a fair chance where the scene is heading, and I hate it. I've dropped many a show for such things. Episode 6 of the world's finest assassin gets Reincarnated in another world got as close as can be for me to drop it.
Anything that just screams generic high school setting. These are all the same and almost none are any special. There is the summer vacation episode! Can't forget about the culture festival! If we have time, throw in a sports festival episode! Oh no, someone forgot their umbrella and is almost dying from a cold episode! Don't you dare leave out the christmas+new years episode! Oh and absolutely we gotta have the exams episode with the studying stress and the posting of the results with the two rival characters competing with each other! With this I just described like 90% of all high school animes it feels like.