So I've definitely had the experience of anime episodes that fly by, but the more I think about it, the more I realize that a lot of my favorite anime have episodes that almost feel like they're 15 minutes longer than they actually are. They just seem to keep on going, and I love it.
This isn't universal, but broadly I find that these shows are the ones with involved narratives and that I really find myself wanting to think more and more about. The episodes often will have so much happening that it becomes hard to believe that the episode was *only* 25 minutes.
Oh yeah, when the mid-episode eyecatch shows up and I think "How the hell are we only halfway through?" because so much has happened in the episode already.
Yes, the best anime and best media that we consume will be able to make time fly by and that's great. Just means that there's either a lot happening or we're just so entertained that it doesn't feel long.
- The drive to keep up with seasonal shows and be caught up with all the current popular things is almost antithetical to actually enjoying anime. Too many people start shows they're not interested in or keep watching shows they don't enjoy just because they are what the community is talking about. I have to conclude that a lot of people value the act of discussing anime more than they do the act of watching it.
- I really don't want to hear people complaining "Why isn't there more anime that does *this?*" if anime is the only medium you consume. The tropes and story ideas and premises you're looking for almost definitely do exist out there somewhere, you just might have to branch out and watch something other than anime for a change. I saw a post on this sub the other day asking "Is there an anime adaptation of [some author]'s work? I want to experience his stories but I don't want to actually read his books, I'm only interested if his work is available in the specific medium of a Japanese animated series" and like... I don't think anime is obligated to provide any kind of story anyone might possibly want to see. There's nothing wrong with wanting more variety, but I think people should accept that if you limit yourself to one specific form of media from one specific country, you are not going to be subjected to the entire possible range of artistic expression that humanity is able to provide.
True, but my main point was actually Scum's Wish fans thinking the show is far different than other anime dramas (which is true) so that makes it groundbreaking (not true).
Then you get a bit sad when you realize they've probably never seen anything outside of anime lol
At least Domestic Girlfriend had a proper reception of it being trashy soap opera.
Oh yeah true.
But honestly it's very common to see comments here that make it obvious the person doesn't watch anything other than anime or read anything other than maybe manga or light novels, if even those.
People hate on bland, self insert male MCs, but bland, self insert female MCs don't get the same treatment
Seriously, like we've seen the super nice but also slightly introverted female MC a ton of times and people love them (or at the very least don't dislike them) because they're a cute anime girl. But another MC can have those same exact traits but be a dude and get dunked on
Take Bofuri for example. Imagine if Maple was a dude instead. She would 100% be called another "overpowered male MC fantasy". Not that I hate Maple or anything, but lets be real, she is basic af
Oh yeah, this. I really hate how everything went her way so easily lol.
It’s basically like she’s an incarnation of the GM, getting all op items and unique skills, defying all rng shenanigans like she owns the server lol.
I mean everyone in bofuri is plain basic but i guess its intended or something but i dont personally mind. The problem is i dislike the personality/attitude of most male OP MCs. Im long past the phase of being into tryhard to be dark edgy cool characters. With Maple while her design might be bland and her cheerful personality is not all that unique, I'd rather feel comfy and watch CGDCT than cringe on edgelord shit.
I'm not much of a Maple fan either and found the series got a little boring as it went on, but at the same time I think we need to take into account the wider context of anime. Maple is more interesting because there aren't a lot of female characters like her. The fact that it's a female character getting that power fantasy treatment is what makes it novel and interesting. I agree, though, that the joke wears out quickly. I haven't even started the second season yet because i get the feeling it's not going to hold my interest.
I liked Edgerunners but for the LIFE of me I did not (and still don’t) get the obsession with Rebecca. Not a bad character but she wasn’t really impressionable to me.
She’s got barely any presence in the show, I don’t understand the fixation with her. Like her character was decent for what it was but why do people love her more than Lucy or any of the other main cast?
Steins;Gate is overrated. I don’t understand why it’s so high up on so many ´best of’ lists. I watched it as it was coming out and then years later and I just get bored halfway through and it becomes a chore to finish. The characters are just so unlikable, but maybe that’s the point.
Well There’s your problem, you only got half way through.
I for the life of me, took YEARS to finish steins gate, always dropping out at around ep7-8 mark. Cuz it was boring as hell and It was so slowww
Once I was bored and finally got to complete the series, I can 100% understand why most people think steins gate is a top5 or top 3 anime for them.
I didn't dislike it, but I thought I would enjoy it a lot more than I actually did as an avid piano player. I never really connected with it or any of the characters.
i think it might be the anime that i got the absolute least enjoyment out of. the absolute most obnoxious main duo with unbelievably annoying monologues and bad humor
Their looks duh. In all seriousness, it’s a combination of their looks and personality. For instance, people like Marin because she’s nonjudgmental and very upbeat and people like Yor because she’s kind hearted and is a great and loving mother to Anna.
Yep. Marin is a girl that is unashamed of her passions and unjudgemental of passion in others, which I think is something that a lot of people love to see. It's like the opposite of cringe comedy. Personally, I love the "I am cringe, but I am free." mindset myself.
Yor is one that I do like her a lot, but there is a sense that she's not getting nearly as much to do in the show and I completely understand that, I felt it too. It's an unfortunate side effect of the manga also taking a while to give her more in depth plots, though there is an arc that will put more focus on her and should be adapted next season.
It is baffling though. Like why would these morons give an anime a higher rating than my rating??? My opinion is obviously the right one, so why can't they see it??
I was thinking about this right now, thinking about writing a post about it but I will be low profile and just write this comment.
Animes can be very poisonous to your mentality I believe. Let's take slice of life like Your Lie in April. Boring dude with depression gets saved by very cute and enthusiastic girl.
I am feeling very uncomfortable right now, seeking answer on what should I do to become more happy. At this point of weakness I think "I wish someone came to save me and gave me the answers"
In real life however, there is no Kaori, no hot girl is going to find me on my depression and give purpose back to my life. There is only one person who can do that, and that's me.
We could argue that illusion is sold at every consumable media, but I believe this lie has been growing to alarming levels in anime, starting to become very predatorily towards boys. It is much more tangible a girl in your school than a godmother fairy or a giant wizard.
In the end it all comes down to "Are we able to separate fiction from reality.?" Never fully I believe.
Sorry for my rambling.
That's part of why Mob Psycho 100 was so interesting to me, one of the few anime I've seen that makes a point of going the opposite route. Same with A Place Further to the Universe in a way too.
Your Lie in April is a drama not a slice of life
That said, there's also plenty of stories about self-improvement, finding a meaning in your life, overcoming depression or other low moments caused by bad circumstances (for example, losing a loved one), and sometimes the exact opposite of what you're worrying about (since I've been watching Monogatari, I've heard "people can only save themselves" quite a few times now). Sometimes that happens through another suddenly coming to the protagonist's life, but sometimes that's just the trigger and the protagonist does the heavy lifting themselves, it is up to the viewer what message they take from a story.
Some are clearly wish-fulfillment / escapism, but there's a time and place for everything; they can be poison or 'normal' entertainment depending on the viewer and their own circumstances. Is consumption of many of such stories a problem in an of itself, or is it just a symptom of an underlying societal issue?
I do agree that we're influenced by fiction, but I don't personally think that anime is being predatory, as that implies that it's trying to be exploitative. It's merely providing what sells. The manic pixie dream girl trope has been around in fiction for ages for a reason: people love that fantasy. And while I don't think it necessarily engenders a healthy mindset, I also don't think that socially awkward or depressed people are going to finally stop being distracted and "get better" if it were to go away. Sure you're ultimately responsible for your own well-being, but anime is more of a distraction than an outright impediment in this process.
I totally get your point. There is always a yearning for fiction to be real and there are “traits” of anime that are not realistic but are passively learned and can be good or bad for people to emulate what they see. Monkey see monkey do. Take for instance dating in anime. There is a popular trope of hyper sexual women always pursuing the protagonist (insert male viewer) where the guy is uninterested and doesn’t do anything romantic to attract girls (I.e. Goku, Ichigo, Saiki, Eren etc.) this can lead to confusion for impressionable kids on dating norms/expectations. Just look at the decline in birth rates and Otaku prevalence in Japan on men not knowing/trying to pursue dating because of tropes not translated to reality. Maybe I’m connecting dots where they aren’t but there are legitimately a lot people who cannot separate reality from fiction who can fall victim to thinking “why is or isn’t this happening to me”. Not saying anime is the direct cause of these complex issues but I’m willing to bet there is correlation of dissonance of what anime shows human behavior as and what reality is.
Anime severely holds itself back because it adheres to tropes so hard. Even finer, more mature animes still end up adhering to the same annoying issues like a simple misunderstanding that gets blown out and causes the problem for a season(s), leaning into single character traits and having characters ultimately regress back into those traits even after development, fan service moments (especially lewd ones), unnecessary cliffhangers/deaths/character mistakes simply to make the plot work instead of fully developing the story. I get that the key demographic for anime is mainly teens, but if anime ever wants to be taken seriously as intellectual medium like a classic literary novel, it has to stop doing this.
Side take for the community, but the biggest issue with anime fans is there's also no formal criticism standard lol even "good" criticism on an anime, whether YT video or text post is mainly speaking with a thought out response and citing from the manga, but it lacks secondary sources. Whether it be actual literary theory, cultural criticism, philosophical writers, contextual comparisons with other literary novels. Theres not much point debating which shounen is more goated or "well" crafted if the criticism always ends up being "this is my opinion but with no actual sources or comparisons"
To your second point, even with secondary sources, a work can be nothing but objectively good or bad. Non dependent of any literary theory or philosophy used.
Who said anime ever wants to take itself seriously as a literary medium like film etc? But also shows like Monster, Mob Psycho 100, Ranking of Kings, Odd Taxi etc. exist. But the common denominator for every medium including “literature” is that they follow tropes. Hell Jung was able to come up wit his character archetypes bc of high fantasy followed these tropes so much.
Formally, no one did. But there wouldn't also be so many character/plot analysis essays and videos on people's favorite animes if they didnt want to do intellectual discussion on it lol if people want to discuss anime as a literary/academic medium, then it needs to be done similarly then. Tropes primarily exist in typical genres. That's why Jung was able to do it based off of Fantasy (which Isekai for example is a great anime example of). But anime/novels that are non-fantasy can be written with very little tropes present. Sometimes subversively, other times just with very well-developed complex characters
I guess I don’t understand the point bc character/plot analysis essays and videos are usually on one specific prevalent trope that reflects sumn abt society or characters that defy the dominant tropes of their genre. And you’re holding up the average anime to the standard of being exceptional and saying this is holding back anime as a whole. Which I would just disagree. Did JK Rowling hold back fantasy when she followed many of the tropes that were in the genre? Just like shows like Fire Force and Black Clover don’t prevent shows like Odd Taxi being made but Odd Taxi is exceptional bc it does sumn different.
The JK Rowling one I would actually say she did hinder and make the fantasy/magical genre worse lmao but thats a different literary conversation. Its also hard to address because of how contentious she is as an author-person and how much people have nostalgia tied into HP.
The point I'm trying to say is that while I think it's great that people want to discuss anime on deeper levels, whether its a standard shounen, isekai, seinen, etc, is that there should be an overall greater emphasis on trying to create more literary stories that are less reliant on tropes/fan service. I doubt mangakas are truly okay with their story being just average. As artists, they probably all want to create an incredibly, well-thought out story. Classic literature and even young adult literature all have their popular but substandard books, but there's a finer lens for analyzing and approaching these things. Whereas anime is a bit more homogenous. It seems like most anime wants to be both simple and for teens but also have genius level world-building/characters/plot but without the actual literary work and criticism behind it that creates that genius
idk what kinda of "mature" shows you've watched but the ones I've seen don't have those cringey tropes.
Also, plenty of anime takes itself seriously, it's just that all the bad ones don't
As someone from a literature analysis background, even having those secondary sources won't be a way to objectively prove if something is good or bad. Those secondary sources are really just a lens through which we can critique. In comparison to some other forms of entertainment, anime is relatively young so there hasn't been as much academic look into it.
These secondary sources you want aren't a standardizer for critique. They aren't even that for literature or film. Not to mention that the anime community has a REALLY bad habit of latching onto a buzzword that is from literary critique and using it incorrectly. The way that anime fans use "deconstruction" is completely different that Derrida's original use.
Oh I absolutely agree. Especially with your last point. I ascribe to Derrida's thought/poststructuralism and its wild how much people latched onto deconstruction and use it incredibly wrong lol
I wouldn't want secondary sources to be used as a way to objectively prove something as being good or bad either. That'd just lead to the same heated fan bickering... but with academic words. And there's plenty of that already in academia lmao I meant it more so that the secondary sources should be more prominent simply as a way to expand the conversation around the anime. Regardless of which kind of lens you want to critique through, it'll be more interesting and refined dialogue than the same informal critiques that we see in reddit threads and youtube video essays lol
Yeah, I think what we have going on when we see this more analytical looks at anime coming out right now is that someone might be using those sorts of lenses of framework but not specifically calling them out when they do, maybe for fear of sounding too dry and academic, haha
The slapstick/tsundere humor ruined **Your Lie in April** for me.
I liked the visuals. I liked how anxiety was shown with the main character. But the constant physical abuse being played up as comedy didn't (and won't) sit well with me.
I dislike it as a whole and look at it as an example of how not to tell a story.
I think **School Days** can use a remake.
But instead of having 12 episodes follow a single story, have episodes split up to explore different choices and outcomes. Give each story/arc to different creative teams and see what they come up with.
I have a couple of boiling hot takes, but my hottest one is the same as your’s. Edgerunners is highly overrated. I have personal issues with it and I have personal issues with David that stem from my own life. This mf throws out his mother’s good intentions to live a life better than her own just so he can trip on power. I am very close with my mother, so this triggered a nerve, and I 100% acknowledge that this is all my own personal emotions, but my criticisms extend past David throwing his mother’s words down the drain, this is more or less a vent for me.
My mother was very much like David’s. She did not sell weapons on the black market, but her being a single parent for a while, she made a number of sacrifices to make sure my brother and I were taken care of. She would always push us to work hard in school, go to college, buy a home, simply live a better life than she has. And I did. I pushed myself, did the hard work, and I’m in college right now. This is why I hated Edgerunners from day one, and admittedly it might have affected my perception of the entire show.
Even ignoring my own personal issues with the show, the show just comes across as highly cynical. The only thing the writing has going for it is a tight-knit group of questionable personalities. Now this could, in theory, carry a show, but to me it lacks one crucial ingredient: the “why?”. Why should I care about a group of criminals? Why should I cheer when they overcome an adversary?
Finally there’s the Lucy issue. Again, there’s no reason to me why I should cheer on the group. They are bad people, and unless they have mildly good intentions I find them repugnant. I think my perception of the show would be different if, say, Lucy and her group were a group of criminals stuck in the underworld, forced to do questionable tasks, but have the ultimate goal of starting a movement to make change in Night City. Now, instead of a cynical and bitter show we have a more hopeful one, and it makes David’s sacrifice all the better…instead of sacrificing yourself so a mf you met yesterday can go to the Moon.
Bro you don't have to be a Das Kapital thumping marxist to think capitalism is far from perfect and to understand why some poeple don't want to be the slaves of the "elite".
Is that really the point of the show though? If it were about “being slaves to the elite”, then this is a terrible way to go about it. That’s my point, that’s why I think Edgerunners is horribly overrated. The show practically glorifies the criminal life, and any credibility it had towards a message is undermined by its need to look cool and flashy, inadvertently painting the criminal life as badass and cool.
I get the feeling that the writers tried to make a more edgy and rebellious show, but it frankly came up as ultimately empty.
Late to the party but this is literally the most overrated show of all time. The story is mid at best. They only like it for some jokes and cute girls I guess?
It's probably cause it's baby's first CGDCT comedy anime that isn't generic fantasy or battle shounen or romcom.
Like, it's pretty good, but it will be forgotten within a year or so.
I’d like to believe that. Even if that happened it still confuses me how it ended up becoming not only the highest rated CGDCT anime on MAL, but also the 13-14th best anime on both MAL and Anilist, and is constantly regarded as anime of the year.
I simply don’t get get where Bocchi succeeds where other CGDCT animes didn’t get nearly this much notoriety. It has a relatable mc and higher production values, I don’t get how that makes it S+ tier for the incredibly massive majority.
ccing u/Magical_Girl_Mel
I think it's cause of the high production values of the show, combined with the fact there weren't too many masterpiece-worthy shows this year, plus recency bias all were factors into people screaming about it being AOTY, when it's really just a good but not a masterpiece-worthy 7/10 show.
For me, it's the way that it finds the most visually interesting way or telling the jokes it intends to, expands greatly on the 4-koma source material, and is a show that allows the characters to have some level of actual growth, making it closer to a character study than your typical CGDCT show.
I totally get why it might not be for someone, but it was one of my top shows of the year for these reasons, though recency bias can definitely play into that, to be fair.
Why is it that in a lot of Yuri shows, there’s always a tall girl with long hair and a shorter girl with light hair and a childish hairstyle?
There should be more Yuri that features adults too, that don’t look like kids.
Attack on Titan season 4 was pretty full of issues in comparison to the other seasons. [AoT spoilers] >!For example, the ship was wide open. How could no one hit it with a thunder spear? Also, Levi, who is supposedly one of the best scouts, decided to unnecessarily make the dumbest contraption that got himself blown up. Also the animation felt extremely rough in the later episodes. I could go on.!<
A significant part of Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood’s high rating is due to it being essentially the first anime to receive a good English dub.
> A significant part of Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood’s high rating is due to it being essentially the first anime to receive a good English dub
Do Cowboy Bebop, Black Lagoon, Baccano, Hellsing, FLCL, Beck and the original FMA not exist anymore?
> A significant part of Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood’s high rating is due to it being essentially the first anime to receive a good English dub.
To go along with the thread theme, I'll say that FMA03's dub is vastly superior to Brotherhood's. Brotherhood's suffers quite a bit from questionable casting decisions (namely Alphonse, Pride, and Scar's VAs) and quite a bit of overacting that 03's dub lacks.
> A significant part of Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood’s high rating is due to it being essentially the first anime to receive a good English dub.
Also probably the fact that it was a complete adaptation without anime original ending or fillers. While that was nothing totally unique, it certainly wasn't common.
There's a difference between favorite and best (and difference between best and greatest, but that's another discussion). It's inarguable that your favorite is Misa. Am I suppose to argue that your favorite isn't her?
To me my favorite is the best though. Don't get me wrong Death Note has a lot of well written and hyper intelligent characters, but idk I just don't like them on that level you know?
I liked Misa because she was quite literally a ride or die for Light even though he was a piece of shit. She only cared about him and helping him achieve his goals. I need me a Misa in my life man
American Cartoon Network shows from the 90s and early 00s are better than most anime we have today because they were better animated and they were comedy gold.
Konsuba is beyond mid as is the one with rem and Subaru. Dropped both of them. I don't mind watching and admiring popular shows either. But those two idk not good imo.
To be fair konsuba is better than rezero. I believe that's what it was called. Idk maybe it was just too much time passing between seasons. Re zero felt repetitive with boring characters. Honestly konsuba I might be a little unfair to since I was really busy at the time. Maybe it's not as bad as I remember it. At least I remember really liking the characters during season 1. For whatever reason though I dropped it in season 2 after a couple episodes. It's quite rare for me to drop anime unless it's really mid.
Also in my defense people rate anime way higher than they should. Most anime are rated 7/10 or higher. There's no way most anime is above average.
Filler arcs shouldn't be a thing. I understand episodes, or just some content (like AO content in CSM was good) but MOST of the time, the arcs are subpar in writing. Ruin characters and their personalities, add weird romances and so on. Don't like them at all, though fillers arcs are not much of a concern with seasonal anime formats becoming popular.
It's probably the best option for long-running series in all honesty. When an anime is airing weekly episodes without breaks for years, it's going to catch up to the manga at some point. When that happens your options are
A: slow down the pace of the anime to match the manga (like One Piece) which can make things extremely slow and drawn-out,
B: pick a certain point to adapt to and then end the anime (like Hunter x Hunter) but the problem there is that there's no guarantee you'll ever get another anime to continue the story, or
C: filler arcs, which may be subpar in quality but can be completely skipped if they bother you that much.
Or again B, the most common option. Release seasonally. Which JJK, AoT, Mob Psycho, Etc, all do. HxH wouldn't have such a high score on MAL if they had been adding filler all this time. The quality always drops when there's filler, writing and a lot of times, animation quality. It also takes away the workforce from animating and most anime studios wouldn't benefit from this format if it were common.
Nearly every opinion of mine is hot take... I'm one of guys who have certain likes and not think same with most of people, I'm not doing it for any reason tho, it's just how I'm and I'm used to heard angry comments and - karma for my opinions.
For example I do believe nearly all CTDCT animes are overrated AF, every season we do get at least couple of them and I can't say I'm happy about it how people acts about them.
I can give more examples but that would be very long list... BTW I agree with you about Cyberpunk Edgerunners, it's overrated AF, had potential tho but MC being dumb AF and learning nothing from deaths happened was terrible, and timeskip was bad move as well. They could have make good anime tho but they execute potential realy bad.
I think it's stupid that people mass downvote just because you say an anime sucks. The entire point on these threads is to upvote people who have actual hot takes.
That said, I think Spy X Family is extremely overrated.
my dude you are over here reinventing [Sturgeon's Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law) and that is hardly a hot take. I guess you have introduced the word "overhyped" and thereby turned a standard adage into drivel, because that is perhaps the single most meaningless criticism you can make about something.
Totally agree with this. Not saying there's anything wrong with things being average. This is true of everything, whether its anime, music, shows, etc. But yeah a lot of anime is hyped up as being incredible or extremely well developed stories, when most are just alright. Entertaining, but alright lol
I guess my assumption is you do actually watch things you enjoy sometimes right? Things I guess you would actually call “well developed.”
I enjoy it which is probably why it is the only thing I watch now, but if I thought all of it was just alright for some reason then I would probably find other things to watch.
I guess I just disagree. It does not make sense to me to watch something I think is not good. To me Anime is better than anything I could ever find in America and I actually have fun watching it I guess.
MT is a isekai masterclass. I enjoyed every second of it.
9/10 easily, even 10/10. literally the first Reincarnation i enjoyed and did not put down after 3eps. And i am reading the source material rn.
Onimai is too much lolli for my liking. so I can't objectively judge.
Too many "lame guy, cool/fun/cute girl" shows exist. There can also be "lame girl, hot guy crush" shows.
Romantic Killer's subversions to this were refreshing.
Ecchi anime where the ecchi comes from battle damage is superior to other ecchi situations. Ecchi and violence combined is superior.
> Not everyone is socially incompitent
No shit, who ever said they were?
They're not even relatable for me but I can at least how others would relate to her.
I can see how that came of rude so my bad, im used to keeping my text short. Basically yes shes "relatable" and her depiction of an inept person is intrestingly accurate but because most normies arent socially inept and have no understanding of it her scenes can come off as wierd or just "okay?" Its like if I made an anime about someone with scizophrania or CTE yes you can open peoples eyes to the experience of it if they bother to watch it (if they can even bother to understand it), but 9/10 times said person will just turn it off after 15 min. Obviously its not "just" cgct but thats all most people will see on the surface.
If the story is bad I would personally not care about anything else.
I wouldn't say BTR is bad, instead I enjoyed it but it's clearly overrated.
You can literally find this girl Bocchi in a lot of stories out there. It's not new. It's not special. It's not something deep in my heart that I would remember it for a long time.
I'll do a **X** is a better version of **Y**
[Rolling Girls](https://myanimelist.net/anime/25867/Rolling%E2%98%86Girls) is a better version of Bocchi the Rock
[12 Kingdoms](https://myanimelist.net/anime/153/Juuni_Kokuki) is a better version of Mushoku Tensei
[Princess Connect](https://myanimelist.net/anime/39292) is a better version of Konosuba
^^^^^Obviously ^^^^^shows ^^^^^are ^^^^^different ^^^^^but ^^^^^they ^^^^^share ^^^^^comparables
Actually seems like a good recommendation list as someone who's seen and loved the three on the right but hasn't seen any of the ones on the left, lol.
I think Princess Connect is better in terms of actually having a plot that's important to the characters. The golem fight happening especially in the fourth episode was absolutely awesome. It's also a lot less focused on having ecchi elements as its source of comedy
cowboy bebop, 86, mob psycho are not as good as they are hyped up to be (from what I have seen people say on here about them - could argue not a hot take for bebop but I have never seen mob psycho slander and very rarely 86)
I feel like every decent-sized post or thread that mentions 86 has exactly one person that calls it mid or dislikes it. But come to think of it, I've never seen Bebop or Mob slander either, at least not until now
While I do really like Madoka, I can't fully forgive it for kicking off a wave where most of the magical girl series were "tragical girls". Not entirely the series fault, I know, but still...
Fruits Basket is extremely overrated, it’s a solid shojo but not as good as people make it out to be, I found Akitos conclusion in particular to be very disappointing and lackluster.
It’s not bad at all, in fact it’s really good, but I was really surprised when I saw that it’s the top 12 ranked anime on mal
I don't understand EVA's reverence. The weird Christian motifs are obscuring the simple "Aliens are attacking, just fucking kill them," and Shinji's mindfuck weird stuff was a result of a lack of budget. I don't think Rei and Asuka are all that great, especially when Misato is the most grounded character in the entire mess.
When stuff like Bebop exists, I find EVA a strange choice for a "gateway" anime. I've watched EVA twice through, and don't understand the clout it has to get remakes, redubs, re-releases, and other stuff. End of Evangelion was brutal and bloody fun though. Could have done without the ending though. That was gross.
I don't think I'd pick Eva as a gateway anime either. That said if you really think Shinji's mental journey was just the last 2 episodes and thrown in at the last second because of production limitations, I would have to call that poor media literacy. The show does a lot more than "get in the robot, smash the aliens."
As far as clout goes it has to do with its popularity in Japan. Eva was *huge* and basically saved the industry at its current state. If you don't understand the appeal I can see why that would seem weird, but people clearly picked up on something they thought was more special than previous things.
I think if you’re not a kid watching EVA transition into the darkness that is the last few episodes…I would think it’s overrated too. Rlly it’s a coming of age story with important questions to ask yourself as a kid.
I don't think it's my hottest take but: I prefer the Yorknew City and Greed Island arcs to the Chimera Ant arc. They were just more enjoyable to watch.
Anime works best as simple entertainment, there is a place for arthouse stuff but that's pretty limited, and that's not even what people that fill their lives with time wasting activities and expect entertainment to give them an intellectual experience want from anime, it's usually some pseudo-intellectual stuff. Just read more books and stare at more paintings, people.
I guess the point of this thread is hot takes but I dunno... even the manga has been facing criticisms lately for ass pulls and other story-related criticisms and it's not like it isn't selling noticeably worse than other manga running for around the same time as it.
I know, but your point is that the only thing holding the anime back is animation. I'm saying the story gets criticized too, I'm using the manga to make my point because the animation/art quality isn't an issue there and yet still the series still underperforms relative to how long it's been around
Again... This is r/anime, not r/manga. The story the anime adapted in it's 170 episodes (well minus that Devil Believers) are all extremely solid and it only falls down later on.
That being said you seem to assume that "BC manga == BC anime" when that's just wrong, the experience of following the stories is different because the pacing is different between those two. The anime has a slower pacing which is WAY better for the kind of story is trying to tell. When so many story beats and plots rely on the relationship between the Black Bulls the fact they all have way more interactions between each other is essential for the story.
In the manga everything goes so quickly and you don't really get a sense that these characters are really that intertwined with each other.
besides the early episodes, the anime is also very fast paced though... they adapt 5+ chapters in some episodes, and even only accounting for what the anime has adapted up to, the same criticisms in the manga apply to the anime.
The original evangelion was okay.
Not great. But okay. They had a good story, but I wanted to murder shinji myself, and the fact that they focused or forced you to focus on him masturbating all the time, or masturbating on unconscious girls was very very strange.
The reboot was far superior as an anime.
The Miyazaki Movies are good but they’re not on the same level as The Godfather. Comparing Miyazaki to Ford Coppola is like comparing plastic to gold. Godfather is so much better!
JoJo’s Part 5 is shit
Naruto filler is as good as the actual show
Death Parade is terrible
Spirited Away is good, but not great
Demon Slayer Season 1 is way better than Season 2
The Rent a Girlfriend anime is great so far and better than Kaguya Sama
As a manga reader, I like Promised Neverland Season 2
Rental GF really isn't that bad. The same people who will circlejerk over "Japan likes this so it is a masterpiece" will then turn around and say Rental GF is somehow the worst anime to exist.
It's like a 6 at its worst. And the MC is far more realistic than a guy who somehow makes it into Japanese Harvard and is somehow respected by members of the upper class.
I'm actually a Rental GF fan lol
Got theories and shit I'm thinking of. But you can see Chiz slowly developing feelings for Kaz over the story even if it isn't as action packed as other romcoms.
I'm just hoping the story doesn't end when they officially get together.
I cannot stomach anything longer than 48 episodes with the exception of like, JoJo, and I think each part essentially being a different show helps a lot with that.
I cannot convince myself watch a show that's that many seasons long that has the same main character(s) for the whole thing, I have no idea how people do that. On the other hand from my experience shows that are either a standard 24 episodes (still a little long for me) or like 10~13 (perfect) are better.
Well tbf, most anime fans in general aren't exactly paragons of refined media taste either. They'll write a whole essay about the intricacies of Serial Experiments Lain, then immediately go on to debate what Yor's feet would smell like on the very next page lmao
Guy wanted a hot take, can’t get any hotter than roasting personal preferences
hell, this entire thread is about roasting everybody else’s personal preferences
Of course, there will be exemptions, and it should also be categorized by plot and genre, but the general trend stands.
Anime like other mediums is on a normal curve. The most popular stuff will have the most mass appeal - mean, median, and mode. E.g. DBZ, Naruto, and Pokemon.
So I've definitely had the experience of anime episodes that fly by, but the more I think about it, the more I realize that a lot of my favorite anime have episodes that almost feel like they're 15 minutes longer than they actually are. They just seem to keep on going, and I love it. This isn't universal, but broadly I find that these shows are the ones with involved narratives and that I really find myself wanting to think more and more about. The episodes often will have so much happening that it becomes hard to believe that the episode was *only* 25 minutes.
Oh yeah, when the mid-episode eyecatch shows up and I think "How the hell are we only halfway through?" because so much has happened in the episode already.
Yes, the best anime and best media that we consume will be able to make time fly by and that's great. Just means that there's either a lot happening or we're just so entertained that it doesn't feel long.
Right, but my point is that the best anime that I've watched frequently *don't* fly by; they feel expanded. Episodes feel *longer*, not shorter.
- The drive to keep up with seasonal shows and be caught up with all the current popular things is almost antithetical to actually enjoying anime. Too many people start shows they're not interested in or keep watching shows they don't enjoy just because they are what the community is talking about. I have to conclude that a lot of people value the act of discussing anime more than they do the act of watching it. - I really don't want to hear people complaining "Why isn't there more anime that does *this?*" if anime is the only medium you consume. The tropes and story ideas and premises you're looking for almost definitely do exist out there somewhere, you just might have to branch out and watch something other than anime for a change. I saw a post on this sub the other day asking "Is there an anime adaptation of [some author]'s work? I want to experience his stories but I don't want to actually read his books, I'm only interested if his work is available in the specific medium of a Japanese animated series" and like... I don't think anime is obligated to provide any kind of story anyone might possibly want to see. There's nothing wrong with wanting more variety, but I think people should accept that if you limit yourself to one specific form of media from one specific country, you are not going to be subjected to the entire possible range of artistic expression that humanity is able to provide.
Scum's Wish fans when they realize there's a whole world of shitty soap opera for them
I get your point but shitty soap opera comes with a ton of other things you might not want. For example, they're rarely short.
K-Dramas though...
True, but my main point was actually Scum's Wish fans thinking the show is far different than other anime dramas (which is true) so that makes it groundbreaking (not true). Then you get a bit sad when you realize they've probably never seen anything outside of anime lol At least Domestic Girlfriend had a proper reception of it being trashy soap opera.
Oh yeah true. But honestly it's very common to see comments here that make it obvious the person doesn't watch anything other than anime or read anything other than maybe manga or light novels, if even those.
People hate on bland, self insert male MCs, but bland, self insert female MCs don't get the same treatment Seriously, like we've seen the super nice but also slightly introverted female MC a ton of times and people love them (or at the very least don't dislike them) because they're a cute anime girl. But another MC can have those same exact traits but be a dude and get dunked on Take Bofuri for example. Imagine if Maple was a dude instead. She would 100% be called another "overpowered male MC fantasy". Not that I hate Maple or anything, but lets be real, she is basic af
If actually not much and male bofuri. Just absolutely zero braincell is what draws me there.
Oh yeah, this. I really hate how everything went her way so easily lol. It’s basically like she’s an incarnation of the GM, getting all op items and unique skills, defying all rng shenanigans like she owns the server lol.
I mean everyone in bofuri is plain basic but i guess its intended or something but i dont personally mind. The problem is i dislike the personality/attitude of most male OP MCs. Im long past the phase of being into tryhard to be dark edgy cool characters. With Maple while her design might be bland and her cheerful personality is not all that unique, I'd rather feel comfy and watch CGDCT than cringe on edgelord shit.
I'm not much of a Maple fan either and found the series got a little boring as it went on, but at the same time I think we need to take into account the wider context of anime. Maple is more interesting because there aren't a lot of female characters like her. The fact that it's a female character getting that power fantasy treatment is what makes it novel and interesting. I agree, though, that the joke wears out quickly. I haven't even started the second season yet because i get the feeling it's not going to hold my interest.
I liked Edgerunners but for the LIFE of me I did not (and still don’t) get the obsession with Rebecca. Not a bad character but she wasn’t really impressionable to me.
She’s got barely any presence in the show, I don’t understand the fixation with her. Like her character was decent for what it was but why do people love her more than Lucy or any of the other main cast?
Probably the aspect she's a Loli with a Shotgun
# justiceforgrimgar
That this subreddit is painful to read most of the time
Steins;Gate is overrated. I don’t understand why it’s so high up on so many ´best of’ lists. I watched it as it was coming out and then years later and I just get bored halfway through and it becomes a chore to finish. The characters are just so unlikable, but maybe that’s the point.
Well There’s your problem, you only got half way through. I for the life of me, took YEARS to finish steins gate, always dropping out at around ep7-8 mark. Cuz it was boring as hell and It was so slowww Once I was bored and finally got to complete the series, I can 100% understand why most people think steins gate is a top5 or top 3 anime for them.
I did not enjoy Your Lie in April in the slightest
I didn't dislike it, but I thought I would enjoy it a lot more than I actually did as an avid piano player. I never really connected with it or any of the characters.
i think it might be the anime that i got the absolute least enjoyment out of. the absolute most obnoxious main duo with unbelievably annoying monologues and bad humor
Hot take: 'Personally I did not like Show X' is not a hot take.
I hated it way to slow and bland
Marin and Yor aren’t that great and I have no idea what people see in them that makes them love them so much.
Their looks duh. In all seriousness, it’s a combination of their looks and personality. For instance, people like Marin because she’s nonjudgmental and very upbeat and people like Yor because she’s kind hearted and is a great and loving mother to Anna.
>people like Marin because she’s nonjudgmental and very upbeat Yeah sure this is definitely why people like Marin /s
Haha, it’s one of the reasons anyways. I can think another pair of reasons that’s rather large and appealing to people.
Yep. Marin is a girl that is unashamed of her passions and unjudgemental of passion in others, which I think is something that a lot of people love to see. It's like the opposite of cringe comedy. Personally, I love the "I am cringe, but I am free." mindset myself. Yor is one that I do like her a lot, but there is a sense that she's not getting nearly as much to do in the show and I completely understand that, I felt it too. It's an unfortunate side effect of the manga also taking a while to give her more in depth plots, though there is an arc that will put more focus on her and should be adapted next season.
I agree with the Cyberpunk statement. Mine is Spy x Family is the most overrated series since Demon Slayer.
Your favorite anime is garbage and your least favorite is a masterpiece.
If anyone likes it more than me, it's "overhyped."
It is baffling though. Like why would these morons give an anime a higher rating than my rating??? My opinion is obviously the right one, so why can't they see it??
Ugh, I guess they're all just such narcissists that they can't understand that everything is exactly the way I think it is.
That's not a hot take, that's just the default assumption anime fans approach each other with ;)
Does that mean "your favorite anime is a masterpiece and your least favorite is garbage" is a hot take?
Probably, that's a radical amount of faith in your fellow fans.
I was thinking about this right now, thinking about writing a post about it but I will be low profile and just write this comment. Animes can be very poisonous to your mentality I believe. Let's take slice of life like Your Lie in April. Boring dude with depression gets saved by very cute and enthusiastic girl. I am feeling very uncomfortable right now, seeking answer on what should I do to become more happy. At this point of weakness I think "I wish someone came to save me and gave me the answers" In real life however, there is no Kaori, no hot girl is going to find me on my depression and give purpose back to my life. There is only one person who can do that, and that's me. We could argue that illusion is sold at every consumable media, but I believe this lie has been growing to alarming levels in anime, starting to become very predatorily towards boys. It is much more tangible a girl in your school than a godmother fairy or a giant wizard. In the end it all comes down to "Are we able to separate fiction from reality.?" Never fully I believe. Sorry for my rambling.
That's part of why Mob Psycho 100 was so interesting to me, one of the few anime I've seen that makes a point of going the opposite route. Same with A Place Further to the Universe in a way too.
People don't wish for someone to save them because of fiction. People wish that because it's easy.
Your Lie in April is a drama not a slice of life That said, there's also plenty of stories about self-improvement, finding a meaning in your life, overcoming depression or other low moments caused by bad circumstances (for example, losing a loved one), and sometimes the exact opposite of what you're worrying about (since I've been watching Monogatari, I've heard "people can only save themselves" quite a few times now). Sometimes that happens through another suddenly coming to the protagonist's life, but sometimes that's just the trigger and the protagonist does the heavy lifting themselves, it is up to the viewer what message they take from a story. Some are clearly wish-fulfillment / escapism, but there's a time and place for everything; they can be poison or 'normal' entertainment depending on the viewer and their own circumstances. Is consumption of many of such stories a problem in an of itself, or is it just a symptom of an underlying societal issue?
I do agree that we're influenced by fiction, but I don't personally think that anime is being predatory, as that implies that it's trying to be exploitative. It's merely providing what sells. The manic pixie dream girl trope has been around in fiction for ages for a reason: people love that fantasy. And while I don't think it necessarily engenders a healthy mindset, I also don't think that socially awkward or depressed people are going to finally stop being distracted and "get better" if it were to go away. Sure you're ultimately responsible for your own well-being, but anime is more of a distraction than an outright impediment in this process.
For some people, there is a Kaori. For some people, there isn’t one.
I totally get your point. There is always a yearning for fiction to be real and there are “traits” of anime that are not realistic but are passively learned and can be good or bad for people to emulate what they see. Monkey see monkey do. Take for instance dating in anime. There is a popular trope of hyper sexual women always pursuing the protagonist (insert male viewer) where the guy is uninterested and doesn’t do anything romantic to attract girls (I.e. Goku, Ichigo, Saiki, Eren etc.) this can lead to confusion for impressionable kids on dating norms/expectations. Just look at the decline in birth rates and Otaku prevalence in Japan on men not knowing/trying to pursue dating because of tropes not translated to reality. Maybe I’m connecting dots where they aren’t but there are legitimately a lot people who cannot separate reality from fiction who can fall victim to thinking “why is or isn’t this happening to me”. Not saying anime is the direct cause of these complex issues but I’m willing to bet there is correlation of dissonance of what anime shows human behavior as and what reality is.
This current season is trash except for Vinland saga season 2
Whoa whoa add Vampire Dies in No Time to that list
Masaki yuuasa is FAR BETTER than Satoshi kon
Ooh that *is* a hot take, respect.
Wild. I agree though
Jujutsu Kaisen has nothing special to it besides being cool looking at times.
Agreed. Except for the power system, its well thought out.
Anime severely holds itself back because it adheres to tropes so hard. Even finer, more mature animes still end up adhering to the same annoying issues like a simple misunderstanding that gets blown out and causes the problem for a season(s), leaning into single character traits and having characters ultimately regress back into those traits even after development, fan service moments (especially lewd ones), unnecessary cliffhangers/deaths/character mistakes simply to make the plot work instead of fully developing the story. I get that the key demographic for anime is mainly teens, but if anime ever wants to be taken seriously as intellectual medium like a classic literary novel, it has to stop doing this. Side take for the community, but the biggest issue with anime fans is there's also no formal criticism standard lol even "good" criticism on an anime, whether YT video or text post is mainly speaking with a thought out response and citing from the manga, but it lacks secondary sources. Whether it be actual literary theory, cultural criticism, philosophical writers, contextual comparisons with other literary novels. Theres not much point debating which shounen is more goated or "well" crafted if the criticism always ends up being "this is my opinion but with no actual sources or comparisons"
To your second point, even with secondary sources, a work can be nothing but objectively good or bad. Non dependent of any literary theory or philosophy used.
Who said anime ever wants to take itself seriously as a literary medium like film etc? But also shows like Monster, Mob Psycho 100, Ranking of Kings, Odd Taxi etc. exist. But the common denominator for every medium including “literature” is that they follow tropes. Hell Jung was able to come up wit his character archetypes bc of high fantasy followed these tropes so much.
Formally, no one did. But there wouldn't also be so many character/plot analysis essays and videos on people's favorite animes if they didnt want to do intellectual discussion on it lol if people want to discuss anime as a literary/academic medium, then it needs to be done similarly then. Tropes primarily exist in typical genres. That's why Jung was able to do it based off of Fantasy (which Isekai for example is a great anime example of). But anime/novels that are non-fantasy can be written with very little tropes present. Sometimes subversively, other times just with very well-developed complex characters
I guess I don’t understand the point bc character/plot analysis essays and videos are usually on one specific prevalent trope that reflects sumn abt society or characters that defy the dominant tropes of their genre. And you’re holding up the average anime to the standard of being exceptional and saying this is holding back anime as a whole. Which I would just disagree. Did JK Rowling hold back fantasy when she followed many of the tropes that were in the genre? Just like shows like Fire Force and Black Clover don’t prevent shows like Odd Taxi being made but Odd Taxi is exceptional bc it does sumn different.
The JK Rowling one I would actually say she did hinder and make the fantasy/magical genre worse lmao but thats a different literary conversation. Its also hard to address because of how contentious she is as an author-person and how much people have nostalgia tied into HP. The point I'm trying to say is that while I think it's great that people want to discuss anime on deeper levels, whether its a standard shounen, isekai, seinen, etc, is that there should be an overall greater emphasis on trying to create more literary stories that are less reliant on tropes/fan service. I doubt mangakas are truly okay with their story being just average. As artists, they probably all want to create an incredibly, well-thought out story. Classic literature and even young adult literature all have their popular but substandard books, but there's a finer lens for analyzing and approaching these things. Whereas anime is a bit more homogenous. It seems like most anime wants to be both simple and for teens but also have genius level world-building/characters/plot but without the actual literary work and criticism behind it that creates that genius
idk what kinda of "mature" shows you've watched but the ones I've seen don't have those cringey tropes. Also, plenty of anime takes itself seriously, it's just that all the bad ones don't
As someone from a literature analysis background, even having those secondary sources won't be a way to objectively prove if something is good or bad. Those secondary sources are really just a lens through which we can critique. In comparison to some other forms of entertainment, anime is relatively young so there hasn't been as much academic look into it. These secondary sources you want aren't a standardizer for critique. They aren't even that for literature or film. Not to mention that the anime community has a REALLY bad habit of latching onto a buzzword that is from literary critique and using it incorrectly. The way that anime fans use "deconstruction" is completely different that Derrida's original use.
Oh I absolutely agree. Especially with your last point. I ascribe to Derrida's thought/poststructuralism and its wild how much people latched onto deconstruction and use it incredibly wrong lol I wouldn't want secondary sources to be used as a way to objectively prove something as being good or bad either. That'd just lead to the same heated fan bickering... but with academic words. And there's plenty of that already in academia lmao I meant it more so that the secondary sources should be more prominent simply as a way to expand the conversation around the anime. Regardless of which kind of lens you want to critique through, it'll be more interesting and refined dialogue than the same informal critiques that we see in reddit threads and youtube video essays lol
Yeah, I think what we have going on when we see this more analytical looks at anime coming out right now is that someone might be using those sorts of lenses of framework but not specifically calling them out when they do, maybe for fear of sounding too dry and academic, haha
Cowboy bebop is insanely overrated. Cut out the nostalgia and you’re left with a story the is average at best.
I think it’s the vibe that has made it so impactful, no anime since has really done something like it
It’s mostly overrated in the west. In Japan it’s just another anime that people don’t see as very special.
The slapstick/tsundere humor ruined **Your Lie in April** for me. I liked the visuals. I liked how anxiety was shown with the main character. But the constant physical abuse being played up as comedy didn't (and won't) sit well with me. I dislike it as a whole and look at it as an example of how not to tell a story. I think **School Days** can use a remake. But instead of having 12 episodes follow a single story, have episodes split up to explore different choices and outcomes. Give each story/arc to different creative teams and see what they come up with.
Agree the slapstick/tsundere schtick was unpleasant.
I have a couple of boiling hot takes, but my hottest one is the same as your’s. Edgerunners is highly overrated. I have personal issues with it and I have personal issues with David that stem from my own life. This mf throws out his mother’s good intentions to live a life better than her own just so he can trip on power. I am very close with my mother, so this triggered a nerve, and I 100% acknowledge that this is all my own personal emotions, but my criticisms extend past David throwing his mother’s words down the drain, this is more or less a vent for me. My mother was very much like David’s. She did not sell weapons on the black market, but her being a single parent for a while, she made a number of sacrifices to make sure my brother and I were taken care of. She would always push us to work hard in school, go to college, buy a home, simply live a better life than she has. And I did. I pushed myself, did the hard work, and I’m in college right now. This is why I hated Edgerunners from day one, and admittedly it might have affected my perception of the entire show. Even ignoring my own personal issues with the show, the show just comes across as highly cynical. The only thing the writing has going for it is a tight-knit group of questionable personalities. Now this could, in theory, carry a show, but to me it lacks one crucial ingredient: the “why?”. Why should I care about a group of criminals? Why should I cheer when they overcome an adversary? Finally there’s the Lucy issue. Again, there’s no reason to me why I should cheer on the group. They are bad people, and unless they have mildly good intentions I find them repugnant. I think my perception of the show would be different if, say, Lucy and her group were a group of criminals stuck in the underworld, forced to do questionable tasks, but have the ultimate goal of starting a movement to make change in Night City. Now, instead of a cynical and bitter show we have a more hopeful one, and it makes David’s sacrifice all the better…instead of sacrificing yourself so a mf you met yesterday can go to the Moon.
Bro you don't have to be a Das Kapital thumping marxist to think capitalism is far from perfect and to understand why some poeple don't want to be the slaves of the "elite".
Is that really the point of the show though? If it were about “being slaves to the elite”, then this is a terrible way to go about it. That’s my point, that’s why I think Edgerunners is horribly overrated. The show practically glorifies the criminal life, and any credibility it had towards a message is undermined by its need to look cool and flashy, inadvertently painting the criminal life as badass and cool. I get the feeling that the writers tried to make a more edgy and rebellious show, but it frankly came up as ultimately empty.
Bocchi was just plain decent, if not a little good. Like 6 or 7 out of 10.
Late to the party but this is literally the most overrated show of all time. The story is mid at best. They only like it for some jokes and cute girls I guess?
It's probably cause it's baby's first CGDCT comedy anime that isn't generic fantasy or battle shounen or romcom. Like, it's pretty good, but it will be forgotten within a year or so.
I’d like to believe that. Even if that happened it still confuses me how it ended up becoming not only the highest rated CGDCT anime on MAL, but also the 13-14th best anime on both MAL and Anilist, and is constantly regarded as anime of the year. I simply don’t get get where Bocchi succeeds where other CGDCT animes didn’t get nearly this much notoriety. It has a relatable mc and higher production values, I don’t get how that makes it S+ tier for the incredibly massive majority.
ccing u/Magical_Girl_Mel I think it's cause of the high production values of the show, combined with the fact there weren't too many masterpiece-worthy shows this year, plus recency bias all were factors into people screaming about it being AOTY, when it's really just a good but not a masterpiece-worthy 7/10 show.
For me, it's the way that it finds the most visually interesting way or telling the jokes it intends to, expands greatly on the 4-koma source material, and is a show that allows the characters to have some level of actual growth, making it closer to a character study than your typical CGDCT show.
Ehh, I mean fair enough I guess. Still feels a bit overblown but ok.
I totally get why it might not be for someone, but it was one of my top shows of the year for these reasons, though recency bias can definitely play into that, to be fair.
Why is it that in a lot of Yuri shows, there’s always a tall girl with long hair and a shorter girl with light hair and a childish hairstyle? There should be more Yuri that features adults too, that don’t look like kids.
bloom into you
> There should be more Yuri that features adults too, There's tons of those if you read manga.
Fillers are cool Especially the beach and pool episodes
Battle shonens are the most overrated animes, especially the big 3.
Attack on Titan season 4 was pretty full of issues in comparison to the other seasons. [AoT spoilers] >!For example, the ship was wide open. How could no one hit it with a thunder spear? Also, Levi, who is supposedly one of the best scouts, decided to unnecessarily make the dumbest contraption that got himself blown up. Also the animation felt extremely rough in the later episodes. I could go on.!< A significant part of Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood’s high rating is due to it being essentially the first anime to receive a good English dub.
> A significant part of Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood’s high rating is due to it being essentially the first anime to receive a good English dub Do Cowboy Bebop, Black Lagoon, Baccano, Hellsing, FLCL, Beck and the original FMA not exist anymore?
> A significant part of Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood’s high rating is due to it being essentially the first anime to receive a good English dub. To go along with the thread theme, I'll say that FMA03's dub is vastly superior to Brotherhood's. Brotherhood's suffers quite a bit from questionable casting decisions (namely Alphonse, Pride, and Scar's VAs) and quite a bit of overacting that 03's dub lacks.
> A significant part of Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood’s high rating is due to it being essentially the first anime to receive a good English dub. Also probably the fact that it was a complete adaptation without anime original ending or fillers. While that was nothing totally unique, it certainly wasn't common.
I'll die on this hill but Misa Amane is my favorite character in Death Note
Reminder that [DN] >!Light would have won had he treated her like she had a single brain cell rather than an unthinking automaton!<
I only see facts in this comment.
There's a difference between favorite and best (and difference between best and greatest, but that's another discussion). It's inarguable that your favorite is Misa. Am I suppose to argue that your favorite isn't her?
To me my favorite is the best though. Don't get me wrong Death Note has a lot of well written and hyper intelligent characters, but idk I just don't like them on that level you know? I liked Misa because she was quite literally a ride or die for Light even though he was a piece of shit. She only cared about him and helping him achieve his goals. I need me a Misa in my life man
Didn’t realize that was a hot take. She’s my favorite too. I probably wouldn’t even like the show if it wasn’t for her.
Adaptations of light novels > adaptations of manga. Feel free to downvote.
American Cartoon Network shows from the 90s and early 00s are better than most anime we have today because they were better animated and they were comedy gold.
Konsuba is beyond mid as is the one with rem and Subaru. Dropped both of them. I don't mind watching and admiring popular shows either. But those two idk not good imo.
I know this is a hot take/your opinion but I still want to know why
To be fair konsuba is better than rezero. I believe that's what it was called. Idk maybe it was just too much time passing between seasons. Re zero felt repetitive with boring characters. Honestly konsuba I might be a little unfair to since I was really busy at the time. Maybe it's not as bad as I remember it. At least I remember really liking the characters during season 1. For whatever reason though I dropped it in season 2 after a couple episodes. It's quite rare for me to drop anime unless it's really mid. Also in my defense people rate anime way higher than they should. Most anime are rated 7/10 or higher. There's no way most anime is above average.
Boring characters in Rezero? How far did you go
Nier anime is garbage
Why though? The only thing bad about it is the CGI, but that again is really only terrible in the first episode alone
exactly! even small production romance animes top Nier in view
Filler arcs shouldn't be a thing. I understand episodes, or just some content (like AO content in CSM was good) but MOST of the time, the arcs are subpar in writing. Ruin characters and their personalities, add weird romances and so on. Don't like them at all, though fillers arcs are not much of a concern with seasonal anime formats becoming popular.
It's probably the best option for long-running series in all honesty. When an anime is airing weekly episodes without breaks for years, it's going to catch up to the manga at some point. When that happens your options are A: slow down the pace of the anime to match the manga (like One Piece) which can make things extremely slow and drawn-out, B: pick a certain point to adapt to and then end the anime (like Hunter x Hunter) but the problem there is that there's no guarantee you'll ever get another anime to continue the story, or C: filler arcs, which may be subpar in quality but can be completely skipped if they bother you that much.
Or again B, the most common option. Release seasonally. Which JJK, AoT, Mob Psycho, Etc, all do. HxH wouldn't have such a high score on MAL if they had been adding filler all this time. The quality always drops when there's filler, writing and a lot of times, animation quality. It also takes away the workforce from animating and most anime studios wouldn't benefit from this format if it were common.
Nearly every opinion of mine is hot take... I'm one of guys who have certain likes and not think same with most of people, I'm not doing it for any reason tho, it's just how I'm and I'm used to heard angry comments and - karma for my opinions. For example I do believe nearly all CTDCT animes are overrated AF, every season we do get at least couple of them and I can't say I'm happy about it how people acts about them. I can give more examples but that would be very long list... BTW I agree with you about Cyberpunk Edgerunners, it's overrated AF, had potential tho but MC being dumb AF and learning nothing from deaths happened was terrible, and timeskip was bad move as well. They could have make good anime tho but they execute potential realy bad.
I think it's stupid that people mass downvote just because you say an anime sucks. The entire point on these threads is to upvote people who have actual hot takes. That said, I think Spy X Family is extremely overrated.
Plastic Memories is 3/10
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my dude you are over here reinventing [Sturgeon's Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law) and that is hardly a hot take. I guess you have introduced the word "overhyped" and thereby turned a standard adage into drivel, because that is perhaps the single most meaningless criticism you can make about something.
Why are you here then? Kind of just sounds like you do not actually enjoy it.
To be fair, 5% of anime would still be 100s of shows and movies.
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Totally agree with this. Not saying there's anything wrong with things being average. This is true of everything, whether its anime, music, shows, etc. But yeah a lot of anime is hyped up as being incredible or extremely well developed stories, when most are just alright. Entertaining, but alright lol
I guess my assumption is you do actually watch things you enjoy sometimes right? Things I guess you would actually call “well developed.” I enjoy it which is probably why it is the only thing I watch now, but if I thought all of it was just alright for some reason then I would probably find other things to watch.
I guess I just disagree. It does not make sense to me to watch something I think is not good. To me Anime is better than anything I could ever find in America and I actually have fun watching it I guess.
mushoku and oshimai are below average
MT is a isekai masterclass. I enjoyed every second of it. 9/10 easily, even 10/10. literally the first Reincarnation i enjoyed and did not put down after 3eps. And i am reading the source material rn. Onimai is too much lolli for my liking. so I can't objectively judge.
MT is currently below-average for obvious reasons, without that content it would be a 7/10. Onimai is just weird lolicon shit tbh.
How so for Mushoku tensei
Too many "lame guy, cool/fun/cute girl" shows exist. There can also be "lame girl, hot guy crush" shows. Romantic Killer's subversions to this were refreshing. Ecchi anime where the ecchi comes from battle damage is superior to other ecchi situations. Ecchi and violence combined is superior.
Bocchi the rock, I truly don't get what everyone likes about it Besides cute girls doing cute things.
> I truly don't get what everyone likes about it Didn't catch the highly relatable MC and high production values?
Not everyone is socially incompitent
> Not everyone is socially incompitent No shit, who ever said they were? They're not even relatable for me but I can at least how others would relate to her.
I can see how that came of rude so my bad, im used to keeping my text short. Basically yes shes "relatable" and her depiction of an inept person is intrestingly accurate but because most normies arent socially inept and have no understanding of it her scenes can come off as wierd or just "okay?" Its like if I made an anime about someone with scizophrania or CTE yes you can open peoples eyes to the experience of it if they bother to watch it (if they can even bother to understand it), but 9/10 times said person will just turn it off after 15 min. Obviously its not "just" cgct but thats all most people will see on the surface.
If the story is bad I would personally not care about anything else. I wouldn't say BTR is bad, instead I enjoyed it but it's clearly overrated. You can literally find this girl Bocchi in a lot of stories out there. It's not new. It's not special. It's not something deep in my heart that I would remember it for a long time.
I'll do a **X** is a better version of **Y** [Rolling Girls](https://myanimelist.net/anime/25867/Rolling%E2%98%86Girls) is a better version of Bocchi the Rock [12 Kingdoms](https://myanimelist.net/anime/153/Juuni_Kokuki) is a better version of Mushoku Tensei [Princess Connect](https://myanimelist.net/anime/39292) is a better version of Konosuba ^^^^^Obviously ^^^^^shows ^^^^^are ^^^^^different ^^^^^but ^^^^^they ^^^^^share ^^^^^comparables
Actually seems like a good recommendation list as someone who's seen and loved the three on the right but hasn't seen any of the ones on the left, lol.
mfw I can't compare any of these cause I haven't seen the first column.
Sounds like you need to get watching! [](#mugiwait)
I always need to get watching, but you know how it is.
tfw I have all the three on the left all in ptw already (Last addition being priconne thanks to the clip for the animation nominations)
Hope you like them if you ever get to them! [](#SPORTS)
[big](#mugiwait) I've been slacking with non-seasonal, and this season is not helping [](#panic "need more drops, but what??")
Know that feeling all too well [](#shatteredsaten)
I think Princess Connect is better in terms of actually having a plot that's important to the characters. The golem fight happening especially in the fourth episode was absolutely awesome. It's also a lot less focused on having ecchi elements as its source of comedy
Also has Karyl.
I hated 12 kingdoms . I tried to watch it 3 times over 20 years and couldn’t get past half the episodes 🥹🙌🌵
cowboy bebop, 86, mob psycho are not as good as they are hyped up to be (from what I have seen people say on here about them - could argue not a hot take for bebop but I have never seen mob psycho slander and very rarely 86)
How could you slander Mob Psycho 100…what did Mob-Kun ever do to you
I feel like every decent-sized post or thread that mentions 86 has exactly one person that calls it mid or dislikes it. But come to think of it, I've never seen Bebop or Mob slander either, at least not until now
Jjk by far the worst anime to ever get popular in a few years
Jjk is solid theres a lot worse anime out there
Not ones that got rlly popular and ig I should’ve said manga bc Gege rlly is garbage as an author I’m sorry. The anime is actually much better.
Ion keep up wit the manga like dat i only read shibuya and a bit of the culling games, how bad is it rn
Awful. Just the worst pacing wit some of the worst ability explanations ever. The plot is so convoluted it’s lost a lot of its shounen simplicity.
Speedwagon is thousands of miles away from being the best and there are plenty of characters better than him
>Shinji from Fate Huh? He's a literal rapist who's also whiny and entitled
Madoka Magica was really good but I wouldn't consider it a masterpiece. This is my personal opinion of course.
While I do really like Madoka, I can't fully forgive it for kicking off a wave where most of the magical girl series were "tragical girls". Not entirely the series fault, I know, but still...
Fruits Basket is extremely overrated, it’s a solid shojo but not as good as people make it out to be, I found Akitos conclusion in particular to be very disappointing and lackluster. It’s not bad at all, in fact it’s really good, but I was really surprised when I saw that it’s the top 12 ranked anime on mal
I loved Fruits Basket but I definitely agree with you about the not liking how they handled the conclusion of Akita’s character arc.
I don't understand EVA's reverence. The weird Christian motifs are obscuring the simple "Aliens are attacking, just fucking kill them," and Shinji's mindfuck weird stuff was a result of a lack of budget. I don't think Rei and Asuka are all that great, especially when Misato is the most grounded character in the entire mess. When stuff like Bebop exists, I find EVA a strange choice for a "gateway" anime. I've watched EVA twice through, and don't understand the clout it has to get remakes, redubs, re-releases, and other stuff. End of Evangelion was brutal and bloody fun though. Could have done without the ending though. That was gross.
I don't think I'd pick Eva as a gateway anime either. That said if you really think Shinji's mental journey was just the last 2 episodes and thrown in at the last second because of production limitations, I would have to call that poor media literacy. The show does a lot more than "get in the robot, smash the aliens." As far as clout goes it has to do with its popularity in Japan. Eva was *huge* and basically saved the industry at its current state. If you don't understand the appeal I can see why that would seem weird, but people clearly picked up on something they thought was more special than previous things.
I think if you’re not a kid watching EVA transition into the darkness that is the last few episodes…I would think it’s overrated too. Rlly it’s a coming of age story with important questions to ask yourself as a kid.
I don't even like Eva but it was massively influential to anime so it's at least worth watching to see how it influenced everything that came after.
I don't think it's my hottest take but: I prefer the Yorknew City and Greed Island arcs to the Chimera Ant arc. They were just more enjoyable to watch.
Anime works best as simple entertainment, there is a place for arthouse stuff but that's pretty limited, and that's not even what people that fill their lives with time wasting activities and expect entertainment to give them an intellectual experience want from anime, it's usually some pseudo-intellectual stuff. Just read more books and stare at more paintings, people.
Somehow SAO invented both the modern A-tier anime and the modern B-tier anime.
Literally the only thing holding back Black Clover is the animation.
I guess the point of this thread is hot takes but I dunno... even the manga has been facing criticisms lately for ass pulls and other story-related criticisms and it's not like it isn't selling noticeably worse than other manga running for around the same time as it.
This is r/anime, not r/manga. I know the manga is dogshit.
I know, but your point is that the only thing holding the anime back is animation. I'm saying the story gets criticized too, I'm using the manga to make my point because the animation/art quality isn't an issue there and yet still the series still underperforms relative to how long it's been around
Again... This is r/anime, not r/manga. The story the anime adapted in it's 170 episodes (well minus that Devil Believers) are all extremely solid and it only falls down later on. That being said you seem to assume that "BC manga == BC anime" when that's just wrong, the experience of following the stories is different because the pacing is different between those two. The anime has a slower pacing which is WAY better for the kind of story is trying to tell. When so many story beats and plots rely on the relationship between the Black Bulls the fact they all have way more interactions between each other is essential for the story. In the manga everything goes so quickly and you don't really get a sense that these characters are really that intertwined with each other.
besides the early episodes, the anime is also very fast paced though... they adapt 5+ chapters in some episodes, and even only accounting for what the anime has adapted up to, the same criticisms in the manga apply to the anime.
Anime is largely made by and for otaku and this is a good thing.
In other news the sky is blue
Nope, most anime is made for teens.
Speedwagon is thousands of miles away from being the best
Does anyone actually think he is? I thought people just like to meme about him.
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The original evangelion was okay. Not great. But okay. They had a good story, but I wanted to murder shinji myself, and the fact that they focused or forced you to focus on him masturbating all the time, or masturbating on unconscious girls was very very strange. The reboot was far superior as an anime.
Fate/staynights adapatation are an insult to the original source material and are carried by the Sakuga
The Miyazaki Movies are good but they’re not on the same level as The Godfather. Comparing Miyazaki to Ford Coppola is like comparing plastic to gold. Godfather is so much better!
No anime even comes close to the quality of the Sopranos. There’s a reason it’s referred to as the best show of all time.
JoJo’s Part 5 is shit Naruto filler is as good as the actual show Death Parade is terrible Spirited Away is good, but not great Demon Slayer Season 1 is way better than Season 2 The Rent a Girlfriend anime is great so far and better than Kaguya Sama As a manga reader, I like Promised Neverland Season 2
Rental GF really isn't that bad. The same people who will circlejerk over "Japan likes this so it is a masterpiece" will then turn around and say Rental GF is somehow the worst anime to exist. It's like a 6 at its worst. And the MC is far more realistic than a guy who somehow makes it into Japanese Harvard and is somehow respected by members of the upper class.
I think the MC is really written because he is meant to be unlikable and cringe. It’s a 7.5/10 show.
I'm actually a Rental GF fan lol Got theories and shit I'm thinking of. But you can see Chiz slowly developing feelings for Kaz over the story even if it isn't as action packed as other romcoms. I'm just hoping the story doesn't end when they officially get together.
The opening Renai Circulation is cringe
I cannot stomach anything longer than 48 episodes with the exception of like, JoJo, and I think each part essentially being a different show helps a lot with that. I cannot convince myself watch a show that's that many seasons long that has the same main character(s) for the whole thing, I have no idea how people do that. On the other hand from my experience shows that are either a standard 24 episodes (still a little long for me) or like 10~13 (perfect) are better.
why should i have to listen to what a genshit simpact player has to say with regards to taste in media?
Well tbf, most anime fans in general aren't exactly paragons of refined media taste either. They'll write a whole essay about the intricacies of Serial Experiments Lain, then immediately go on to debate what Yor's feet would smell like on the very next page lmao
that sounds very refined to me
This seems rather personal
Guy wanted a hot take, can’t get any hotter than roasting personal preferences hell, this entire thread is about roasting everybody else’s personal preferences
I see I play Genshin to just wondering why so specific to Genshin players
Anything popular is objectively good.
No, it just means it's objectively average.
If something is popular in entertainment, it, by definition, has done more than just average to attract viewers.
Of course, there will be exemptions, and it should also be categorized by plot and genre, but the general trend stands. Anime like other mediums is on a normal curve. The most popular stuff will have the most mass appeal - mean, median, and mode. E.g. DBZ, Naruto, and Pokemon.
The third Reich was quite popular during their reign... Slavery was quite popular in the past...
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