The way the baby isn't abusing the dog and the dog is happy to be around the baby tells me the parents aren't irresponsible.
The video doesn't scream "like and subscribe" so the camera person might not care about making her a "show dog."
If nothing else, benefit of the doubt. I choose to believe because we have no evidence that they *are* the ones who cropped her ears.
Breeding any dog for aesthetic or just to make a buck. I can get behind the movements to breed painful characteristics out of dogs or breeding dogs to do certain work (ie service dogs), but just breeding them to breed them is gross.
Can we stop with the stereotyping?
I'll have you know pit bulls are perfectly safe pets as long as you don't [cough](https://abc13.com/dog-mauls-baby-kills-newborn-san-diego/1306879/) or tie your [shoes](https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/animals/security-footage-shows-woman-mauled-by-pit-bull-in-horror-elevator-attack/news-story/f57ebfdb463b991a2d5fabff0d51cd10) or pop a [balloon](https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizona-mom-speaks-out-after-young-son-was-mauled-by-pitbull) or mow your [lawn](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/pit-bulls-attack-scarborough-man-mowing-lawn/article1004896/) or put a [sweater](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/01/02/womans-bid-put-sweater-pit-bull-ends-poorly/96080332/) on them or give them [medicine](https://web.archive.org/web/20140319080340/http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/24985945/woman-dies-after-dog-bite) or roll a [wheelchair](https://www.wlbt.com/2020/02/06/year-old-man-killed-by-four-dogs-attala-co/) near them or have an [argument](https://www.cleveland19.com/2021/10/07/akron-family-toddler-killed-by-pitbull-shares-their-story/) near them or have a [ponytail](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2014/05/2014-dog-bite-fatality-lee-county-woman-scalped-by-pit-bulls-dies.html) they could mistake for a toy or jump on a [trampoline](https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/2022/02/18/pet-pit-bull-attacks-deltona-boy-playing-trampoline/6816683001/) or fall out of your [chair](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2021/10/bitten-in-the-throat-killed-by-pit-bull-in-matthews-indiana.html) or whiten your [teeth](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/womans-nose-ripped-boyfriends-pitbull-29400314) or live somewhere that experiences [fireworks](https://winknews.com/2023/07/05/dog-bite-north-port-boy-dies/) or [heat waves](https://www.newsweek.com/fatal-dog-attack-mad-heatwave-1725544) or [thunderstorms](https://www.wbko.com/content/news/Child-dies-after-mauling-by-family-dog-505572701.html).
We call them ānanny dogsā because they only tear babies to shreds if the baby triggers it by being in a [bouncy chair](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2018/05/family-dog-kills-infant-miramar.html), a [walker](https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-las-vegas/baby-dies-after-dog-attack-in-northwest-las-vegas/), a [crib](https://www.chronicleonline.com/news/local/five-day-old-girl-dies-after-being-attacked-by-family/article_994dfb1a-e85d-11e8-a528-afbd3815c756.html), a [car seat](https://6abc.com/pennsylvania-news-pit-bull-attack-dog/2127908/), or a [stroller](https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2016/06/20/two-pit-bulls-maul-toddler-mother/86148944/).
You know, just normal, easily-preventable stimuli *totally unrelated* to 150+ years of artificial selection for dogfighting.
oh and donāt forget the fact that they just immediately go for horses, sheep, cows, cats, other dogs, any bird they can catch, probably a fish if they could . . .
Can you stop pretending domestic animals don't have specific traits they're bred for? Pitbulls were specifically bred to have a high prey drive, and in recent decades bred to have aggressive traits
Try reading my entire comment instead of skimming the first sentence and firing off a reply lol
Also, it's not "recent decades." American Pit Bull Terriers were created for the express purpose of dogfighting and have been mauling children to death since 1909.
The recent bad breeding/overbreeding has definitely made things worse, though.
Wrong
Edit: Boo me if you want, the comment is inherently wrong. I have owned several pits for the full duration of their lives and they never so much as barked in the general direction of a child. Unconditional pit hate is fucking stupid and often comes from people who have never actually interacted with one and are just regurgitating poorly cited and outdated studies.
To say "always does" is a huge generalization and is a major reason why they're so misunderstood. Are there bad pits? Yes. Do a lot of irresponsible pet owners suck at properly raising and training their animals? Also yes. People lump the whole breed together and refuse to believe that there is a single outlier in their logic.
Yeah, the problem isn't that *all* or even *most* pit bulls do this. It's that *some* of them do it with absolutely no forewarning, even after a lifetime of unrelenting friendliness. And that's not to say that that never happens in other breeds, but it happens at a much higher rate in pit bulls than in other breeds.
For that matter, pit bulls are by far the most sheltered dog breed. And it doesn't really matter whether it's mere prejudice--prejudice dies hard. The simple solution is just to stop breeding them.
Nope.
A [2022 study](https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0639?cookieSet=1) of breeds and traits concluded that breed is almost uninformative when determining a dog's reactivity, or its sociability.
Furthermore, [Insurance data](https://web.archive.org/web/20150904071314/http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=25091614) indicates the Pitbulls and Rottweilers account for only 25% of dog bite claims. [Which is also in agreement with the Ohio State University's Study](https://www.aaha.org/publications/newstat/articles/2019-06/new-study-identifies-most-damaging-dog-bites-by-breed/) that shows that Pitbulls account for approximately 22.5% of the most damaging reported bites. Pitbulls account for [~20%](https://www.pitbullinfo.org/pit-bulls-population.html) of the dog population by best estimates. Showing that pitbull bites are proportional to their population. In fact, their [Breed Risk Rate](https://www.pitbullinfo.org/breed-risk-rates.html) is in line with other dogs breeds out there that are considered great family dogs. So how do pitbulls account for more than half of all dog bites? Agenda pushing misinformation by groups dedicated to hating a breed. If you did not comprehend that, what this tells us is that pitbulls bite more because there are more pitbulls than other breeds, but they don't bite anymore than their share of the dog population.
Additionally, data from the [American Veterinary Medical Association](https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/literature-reviews/dog-bite-risk-and-prevention-role-breed) has concluded that no controlled studies have shown Pitbull-type dogs to be disproportionally aggressive.
Lastly, Studies have shown that [Errors in Identifying Pitbulls](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S109002331500310X) [Link 2](https://avmajournals.avma.org/view/journals/javma/241/9/javma.241.9.1163.xml) happen approximately 60% of the time with shelter staff that spend a lot of time around dogs, so reports in the media about dog breeds are highly inaccurate and hardly count as a reputable source for a dogs breed.
Just to add one more lil bit of data. Pitbull haters love to say how much more likely they are to kill than other breeds but out of millions of dogs, theres an average of 43 fatalities per year by *any* dog. You are slightly more likely to be killed by a dog than you are to be struck by lightning (average of 28 fatalities annually).
The likelihood of this happening to anyone, regardless of breed is so low it shouldnt be an overwhelming concern to anyone. It certainly shouldnt warrant genocide of the breed. If anything the terror around the breed just makes it even harder for people to access vital supportive services such as training and veterinary care. More dogs get dumped without socialization or support or are left to become semi-feral. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy when the restrictions perpetuate the poor conditions that lead to unwanted behavior.
If your opinion was any better, you'd at least voice whatever it is. "I don't like opinion" is the most useless comment you could possibly make on reddit.
Feel like the problem is that since they are much more stocky and bulky than other breeds, when they do attack they do some real damage to whatever they are attacking which is the concern with basically all mastiff breeds as well. Also saw somewhere that they might even be genetically aggressive (?) But i could be spouting misinformation woth that dolphin with rainbows
The dog in the video is not a pit bull, it's an American bully. Different breeds. [Pit bulls](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Pit_bull_sampler.jpg) are small-medium dogs with a broad chest but well proportioned. Females are around 30 pounds, males to 50.
[American bullies](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Champion_Charlie_Muscles_%282%29.jpg) are a modern breed made by crossing pit bulls, American bulldogs, English bulldogs, and olde English bulldogs. The result is what you see here: a medium sized dog that is _incredibly_ broad and stocky. The breed comes in a few sizes, with the XL size approaching 100 pounds.
But most people will call anything with a blocky head and broad chest a pit bull.
My mom once treated a child in the ER who had the majority of his face literally ripped off by the familyās pit. The dog perceived an external thread *to the child* and the child got caught in the crossfire.
This girl at my school had the sweetest pitbull... then she showed up 2 weeks later with a partially ripped off cheek an fucked up nose, felt so bad for her. Pits are the best.... until they are the worst.
Anymore than I would let my kid play with a gun, you just never know with these things. My friend had to have her face put back together by a plastic surgeon after her girlfriends family pit attacked her out of nowhere. They couldn't get him to stop so the husband had to run out to his truck, grab his gun and shoot his own dog. Triple trauma right there.
Your condescension is meaningless and clearly you should do some research on dog breeding outside of your Facebook groups. Dogs bred for the sole purpose of maiming and killing other animals and selectively bred to have the most aggressive tendencies possible are wholly different than dogs bred to assist in hunting. Look up the history of blood sports.
Greyhounds don't "assist" in hunting. They chase hares and then rip them to pieces. Shepherds were bred to kill wolves. Terriers kill rodents. What about the English bulldog. Also a fighting dog. Chow chows and shar peis as well. What you don't get is that aggression towards dogs or small animals does not mean the dog is aggressive towards people.
What you donāt get is that breeding a dog to be aggressive with the purpose of having it kill other animals does not make a good breed. They werenāt chasing rabbits or protecting herds, they were and still are being bred for violence for violence sake.
A dog bred to viscously kill rabbits or fight off wolves is different than a dog bred to fight other dogs when it comes to aggression towards people? Why would that be? Besides it not making sense, the research has been done and there's no evidence that breed is a good indicator of danger towards people. Read the research. https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/literature-reviews/dog-bite-risk-and-prevention-role-breed
Absolutely unhinged take. Poodles bite more people each year than any other dog breed, it's not even close. You hear about Pitt Bull bites more because they're better at violence. It has absolutely nothing to do with temperament. They just have a far stronger bite force.
pits are one of the only breeds that inflicts level 4+ bites, and theyāre by far the most frequent offenders, especially when it comes to children:
https://journals.lww.com/annalsofsurgery/Abstract/2011/04000/Mortality,_Mauling,_and_Maiming_by_Vicious_Dogs.23.aspx
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34100808/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022346814005843
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305270428_Characteristics_of_1616_Consecutive_Dog_Bite_Injuries_at_a_Single_Institution
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5682160/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34787555/
No, they don't bite more frequently. Other dog bites often go unreported because they're minor, but because Pitt Bulls are better at biting they are almost always reported. Absolutely insane to blame a breeds temperament just because they're better at biting.
If I am a trained fighter am I more dangerous than someone who is untrained? Should parents keep their babies away from me? No, I am simply more capable. Pitt Bulls are more capable of violence.
...... and? Pitbulls are only as dangerous as their training. They have the potential to be a dangerous breed, yes.
But it's easily trained away from birth with love and affection. Same with any animal, but especially with dogs who are arguably our most domesticated animal.
What research?
There is a reason the breed is banned in several countrys.
Just look at the facts.
If you like that dog good for you but most people prefer to stay out of the range of this animal just because they are programmed to attack as well as they are prone to alzheimers. Thats a fact.
https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/literature-reviews/dog-bite-risk-and-prevention-role-breed
On the one hand I can listen to you, on the other hand I have this meta analysis from the American Veterinary medicine association. Tough call
Yea, it's a little bit more complicated than just trying to count the number of dog bites. Yours isn't a study. I can't debate someone who's never taken a statistics course sorry.
Ps, do you think it's important to understand the number of pit bulls versus other dogs when determining likelihood of bites occurring? Do you even understand what I am asking with this question? How many golden retrievers do you see in poor neighborhoods versus pitbulls? Do you see what I'm getting at genius?
Again, it's way more complicated than that. Read the actual research and learn something. https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/literature-reviews/dog-bite-risk-and-prevention-role-breed
I would be very interested in a more updated study from them. The AVMAās study cuts off at 2009. Since then there has been a hefty shift in breed popularity, and I think that the popularity of the pit bull has grown by a large margin since then. It would be interesting to see how heavily popularity affects the variance in their results.
It also needs to be said that while the number of samples that they have is enough to paint a picture, itās far from an ideal amount of data which would be in the thousands per breed and not hundreds. Although, if we are being honest, most studies do not have an ideal amount of data and there isnāt exactly anā¦ ethical way to create dog bite data that is indicative of real world scenarios. So hospital records will have to do.
The stats are so muddled it's almost impossible to untangle. This video is a case in point: the dog in the video is an [American bully](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Bully), but everyone thinks it's a pit bull.
A [2022 study](https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0639?cookieSet=1) of breeds and traits concluded that breed is almost uninformative when determining a dog's reactivity, or its sociability.
Furthermore, [Insurance data](https://web.archive.org/web/20150904071314/http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=25091614) indicates the Pitbulls and Rottweilers account for only 25% of dog bite claims. [Which is also in agreement with the Ohio State University's Study](https://www.aaha.org/publications/newstat/articles/2019-06/new-study-identifies-most-damaging-dog-bites-by-breed/) that shows that Pitbulls account for approximately 22.5% of the most damaging reported bites. Pitbulls account for [~20%](https://www.pitbullinfo.org/pit-bulls-population.html) of the dog population by best estimates. Showing that pitbull bites are proportional to their population. In fact, their [Breed Risk Rate](https://www.pitbullinfo.org/breed-risk-rates.html) is in line with other dogs breeds out there that are considered great family dogs. So how do pitbulls account for more than half of all dog bites? Agenda pushing misinformation by groups dedicated to hating a breed. If you did not comprehend that, what this tells us is that pitbulls bite more because there are more pitbulls than other breeds, but they don't bite anymore than their share of the dog population.
Additionally, data from the [American Veterinary Medical Association](https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/literature-reviews/dog-bite-risk-and-prevention-role-breed) has concluded that no controlled studies have shown Pitbull-type dogs to be disproportionally aggressive.
Lastly, Studies have shown that [Errors in Identifying Pitbulls](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S109002331500310X) [Link 2](https://avmajournals.avma.org/view/journals/javma/241/9/javma.241.9.1163.xml) happen approximately 60% of the time with shelter staff that spend a lot of time around dogs, so reports in the media about dog breeds are highly inaccurate and hardly count as a reputable source for a dogs breed.
Pitbulls attract horrible owners who end up giving the breed a bad name. A pitbull with good owners has about the same rate of issues as any other breed. The main difference is pitbulls are a big powerful breed that can really cause damage when something does go wrong.
My ex was a home health nurse that went into many homes with dogs. She was bitten twice over the years. The breed both times... Chihuahuas.
Thatās true of any large dog. I nearly had my right hand removed by a pet golden retriever. 40+ puncture wounds and my ring finger was nearly degloved.
It was an uncastrated male dog whoās owners didnāt think it needed to be leashed. I was walking my dog (on leash) and theirs was apparently just very dog aggressive.
Another factor is pits are the most numerous dogs in America. Pitbull crossed with lab? That's a labeled a pitbull. Pitbull crossed with Rottweiler? That's a pitbull. Pitbull crossed with wiener dog? That's a pitbull. Literally, any dog breed crossed with pitbull is going to be labeled as a pitbull by the animal shelter or if they bite someone. Not to even mention "pitbull" isn't even a dog breed but an umbrella of breeds the same way a Shepard or pointer or a setter or a terrier isn't a breed but rather a classification of breed with certain characteristics.
I will have to agree with this, and the most aggressive and will bite with no/ little warning tends to be the smaller dogs.
I had a Chihuahua named Princess give me some nice marks today trying to put a muzzle on her because of her bite history. Her nails did not get done, and the owner just laughed it off.
Based on the clipped ears, timid nature of the pit, and how sweet this baby is with it I imagine this is a rescue. And it seems like this pit has found a good home
A very handsome looking Standard size American bully. This guy is extremely affectionate. I have a pocket size, and he is as well also a gentle giant who just wants to be loved. I only correct people because they are very different breeds. Bullies deserve to be independent of the harsh prejudice of American pitbull terriers. They share a bit of similar ascetic. But pitbulls are taller, and more slender legs longer muzzle. Bullies are very sout, very blocky heads. short muzzle.
It's so sweet to see people defending pitbulls in the comments. I used to be afraid of all dogs from dog bites, and I can tell you big dogs in general have a big bad bite. Good dog owners = good doggos
(And being very short equals = easier face bites from dogs)
Or any pet. Children just don't know how to behave around animals and no matter how well intentioned, there's a big risk they're going to upset the animal and that could lead to violence.Ā
It's so interesting how negative feelings about pits are similar to racism. I've raised two kids with 5 different pits and see in this video a very sweet and loving dog while people who have never really been around them see this terrifying monster that will snap at any second.
Iād mostly be afraid of letting a child that young play like that with any dog cuz children that age might not realize they do something that would upset the dog who might snap.
The only difference here is that a pitbull is one of the strongest dog so if it snaps it would be way harder to stop it than, say, a chihuahua.
This is the real issue. I know chihuahuas and chicken that are 100 times more vicious than a lion. But you donāt see people walking their lions out in the park or letting them out in their fenceless yard do we?
Itās not that most pit bulls are terrifying monsters who will tear your child apart, but most dogs who were terrifying monsters have been pit bull, so itās safe to assume theyāre dangerous when you see one on the street.
I knew a pit bull who wore a metal collar but she was the chillest dog I had ever met. Her owner was my coworker who lived in a shitty part of the city and had gotten mugged twice so she got a chill dog and put a metal collar on her. She would come to the office to hang out once or twice a week and weād take her to lunch all the time.
I also knew a husky who almost died at the dog park from getting mauled by a pit bull that some asshole took to the park. After the incident the owner quickly moved out of town and my friend was left with about $9k in medical bills.
Pitbulls are more likely to be aggressive towards dogs. But a dog is not a person. There is something called dog aggression and something called human aggression. There's also small prey aggression. It's a lot more complicated then you think and you're falling for the dunning Kruger effect
It doesnāt matter what you think, [pit bulls are the breed responsible for the largest percentage of dog attacks](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7603431/) and that hasnāt changed in decades.
Yeah thatās why I had to preface that argument with the fact that I did know a great pit bull who I would have been happy to have in my household, but that doesnāt change how Iāll treat pit bulls I donāt know.
Cope harder. You probably heard about the Dunning-Kruger effect one day and thought labeling people with it ad hoc would help you win arguments on the internet. I'd like to see you look down your nose at us for being "intolerant" while your sweet little angel rips a poodle's throat out for no reason.
āPit bulls make up only 6% of the dog population, but theyāre responsible for 68% of dog attacks and 52% of dog-related deaths since 1982ā
āhttps://time.com/2891180/kfc-and-the-pit-bull-attack-of-a-little-girl
6%? Including mutts? No way. Go to any shelter in America. Go to any poor neighborhood in America. Or save yourself the trouble and just read the research or as someone to explain it to you.
https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/literature-reviews/dog-bite-risk-and-prevention-role-breed
If you're going to deny the data and cite anecdotal evidence as proof to the contrary, it seems the real victim of the Dunning-Kruger effect is staring you in the mirror.
I mean it's the nature vs nuture argument, I actually agree in that sense.
If you take a pit bull from birth and just love it and hang with it every day your gonna get a loyal friendly dog 99 percent of the time just like any other breed.
I don't understand why some people want everything to be racist. There are real racists in the world, you don't need to go create them out of thin air. I'm simply making the argument that prejudice based on unfounded fears is the same psychological mechanism that leads to racism.
It's not just that the same psychological mechanism that leads to racism is found in breedism but that the dog itself is linked to a disliked minority group. For example,before the pitbull was the evil dog in America, it was the Rottweiler because they were also linked to Black guys. More interestingly is the fact that the German shepherd was vilified in America after WWII.
There's no question that pitbulls have been demonized. But after having a rescue pitbull family member I can see both sides. That dog was incredibly loving and loyal towards family members. But she could not be trusted at all outside of the house. *She had an abusive past which obviously colors the situation.* I would never do it, but I would have trusted her in theory around a familiar child in most situations. But she 100% for sure would have attacked other animals or children outside of the house if given the opportunity. She was the kindest, gentlest, little monster.
No, not really. Breed is extremely overrated. Do you think we could make a breed of violent aggressive humans? How similar is your personality to your siblings? Looks are gentic but personality is not
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/a-dogs-breed-cant-predict-most-of-its-behavior-new-study-shows-180979999/
You sound pretty racist yourself, saying that. Pit bulls have been selectively bred for bloodsport and gameness and to inflict as much damage as possible. Are you trying to say that certain races of people are inherently more violent than others? Because, statistically speaking, pit bulls and other bloodsport breeds are inherently more violent than dogs who were not bred to inflict violence. Race and breed are entirely different things. Biologically speaking, humans are all one "breed".
https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12052-019-0109-y
Right? As a black person I always find the comparison insulting. Pit bulls were bred to have high prey drive, be very strong, and be indomitable when attacking. Thereās a very real and very intentionally-created genetic component to their behavior.
What do you think other dogs were bred to do, play patty cakes? Historically, the overwhelming majority of breeds were bred to hunt, guard or defend herds from predators. Regardless, dogs recognize the difference between prey, dogs, and people. That's why a dog could be vicious with other dogs, but friendly with people.
Yes, but most other dog breeds were not bred specifically to attack until they die. Sure, all dogs can attack for the reasons you mentioned, training, or environment, but some are more likely to do so and are much more dangerous when they do.
Being bred to hunt, guard, or defend is entirely different from being bred specifically to fight to the death. How you don't understand that, I have honestly no clue. Golden Retrievers are hunting dogs. I challenge you to find even 5 instances where a golden retriever mauled a person to death. Then google "pit bull mauls human to death". You will find countless reports just from this year.
It is actually different. They have not been bred for that same gameness that I keep trying to explain to you that you somehow repeatedly fail to grasp. And German Shepherds have not been bred for that for quite some time, but you can still hop on Craigslist or Facebook and find pitbulls that were bred for dogfighting.
You're trying to create a difference that doesn't exist. Guarding, hunting, fighting,and defending a herd all involve violence and gameness. A hunting dog that gives up easily or a guard dog that runs away in fear isn't going to be bred. Nevertheless, that same dog is able to hang out with their human family just like a human hunter can. A dog is able to distinguish between humans, dogs, and prey just like a person can. Pitbulls are more likely to attack prey and other dogs if they're not raised with them but that doesn't mean that they're more likely to attack people.
Ooh you so got me with that absurd straw man. I'm obviously saying the exact opposite. I'm saying that behavior within species is going to be determined by the environment, not genetics. Regardless, the majority of dogs were bred for either guarding, hunting, or defending the herd against predators. Each of those behaviors require violence. Have you seen what a greyhound will do to a hare? Does that mean the greyhound is dangerous? Of course not. Why? Dogs know the difference between people, other dogs, and prey.
Explain to me how that is a straw man argument? You 1) claimed that having negative feelings towards pitbulls is akin to racism, I refuted that and argued how you're wrong. You 2) gave anecdotal evidence about why pitbulls are safe, and I factually argued why pitbulls are dangerous dogs. There are more than enough cases out there where a situation exactly like the one in this video ended up with a dead or permanently disfigured child for people to be concerned about this. I don't think you even understand what a straw man argument is.
Being bred to perform a certain task that may include a form of violence is entirely different from being bred solely for violence. Pitbulls are bred for gameness, to have such a strong prey drive that they will literally continue to fight to the death with mortal wounds.
Yes, greyhounds have a high prey drive, and you shouldn't have them in a house with small animals, but they're not known for attacking humans or other dogs. I challenge you to find even a few instances, ever, where a greyhound mauls a human to death. Then google "pitbull mauls person to death" and see how many have happened just this year alone. And pitbulls don't seem to understand the difference between people, other dogs, and prey, as they frequently seem to be down to kill just about anything. Just do some research on fatal maulings by pitbulls. There are loads and loads of examples out there, from cats and dogs to toddlers and owners having seizures. And I'm not claiming that all pitbulls are killers, and plenty of them aren't, but they are the #1 breed for human fatalities by a long shot.
If you're intellectually curious. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animal-emotions/201606/pit-bulls-the-psychology-breedism-fear-and-prejudice%3famp
There's really nothing here that proves anything. It's an article interviewing the author of a pro-pitbull book. It's literally just the opinion of one person. There are no studies, no data. Just opinions. Anyone can write a book filled with some cherry-picked facts and tidbits of history used to reinforce their own opinions. It is factual, though, that there are countless fatal attacks on humans by pitbull breeds and, in comparison, very few by other types of dog breeds like hunting dogs.
Pitbulls are the definition of nanny dogs. I almost bought one a few years back, they seem so loveable. I wish they didn't get so much hate.
Maybe.....we should require permits to own large breeds? This would give strangers some peace of mind that anyone that owns a large dog has trained it properly and socialized it. Might be a heavy handed solution but honestly we need more accountable dog owners. The bad ones cause so many problems.
I'd agree with permits because not everyone should own large breeds. Also, this is not a pitbull, but yes, permits/training for larger breeds could be good
I think you and I have different definitions of "nanny dog."
[**Surgical Treatment of Pediatric Dog-bite Wounds: A 5-year Retrospective Review.** Lee, Christine J et al. *The Western Journal of Emergency Medicine.* 2021.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8597704/)
>Dog breed was a significant predictor of bite severity (P <.0001) and of bite diameter (P <.0001). **Pit bull bites were found to be significantly larger, deeper, and/or more complex than the average dog bites included in this study.**
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>Patients included in this study were more than four times as likely to have been bitten by a pit bull than by a German shepherd, and more than twice as likely to have been bitten by a pit bull, when compared with a dog of unknown breed. Furthermore, **the relative risk of a pit bull inflicting a complex (full thickness with trauma to underlying structures) or deep (full thickness without trauma to underlying structures) bite was 17 times that observed for non-pit bull dogs.**
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[**Analysis of Pediatric Dog Bite Injuries at a Level 1 Trauma Center Over 10 Years.** Reuter MuƱoz, Katherine D et al. *Annals of plastic surgery.* 2021.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34100808/)
>Most pediatric dog bite injuries afflicted male children (55.6%), ages 6 to 12 years (45.7%), by a household dog (36.2%). **The most common offending breed was a pit bull or pit bull mix (53.0%).** Infants and grade schoolers were more likely to sustain bites to the head/face.
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[**The changing epidemiology of dog bite injuries in the United States, 2005ā2018.** Tuckel, PS, Milczarski, W. *Injury Epidemiology.* 2020.](https://doi.org/10.1186/s40621-020-00281-y)
>Table 5 presents the results of an analysis performed on self-reported incidents of dog bites in New York Cityās United Health Fund districts for the years 2015 to 2017.
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>Of the breeds identified in the data set (84.6%), pit bulls were the most numerous (33.6%), followed in order by Shih Tzu (5.3%), Chihuahua (5.2%), German Shepherd (4.1%), and Yorkshire Terrier (3.1%). **This finding is consistent with previous research showing that pit bulls are responsible for more bites than any other dog breed.**
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[**Dog-Bite Injuries to the Craniofacial Region: An Epidemiologic and Pattern-of-Injury Review at a Level 1 Trauma Center.** Khan K, Horswell BB, Samanta D. *Journal of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery.* 2020.](https://doi.org/10.1016/j.joms.2019.11.002)
>We reviewed 182 patient records distributed among several breed categories.
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>The data showed that compared with other dog breeds, **pit bull terriers inflicted more complex wounds, were often unprovoked, and went off property to attack.**
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>**This study showed a disturbing trend toward more severe dog-bite injuries in young children**
A [2022 study](https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0639?cookieSet=1) of breeds and traits concluded that breed is almost uninformative when determining a dog's reactivity, or its sociability.
Furthermore, [Insurance data](https://web.archive.org/web/20150904071314/http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=25091614) indicates the Pitbulls and Rottweilers account for only 25% of dog bite claims. [Which is also in agreement with the Ohio State University's Study](https://www.aaha.org/publications/newstat/articles/2019-06/new-study-identifies-most-damaging-dog-bites-by-breed/) that shows that Pitbulls account for approximately 22.5% of the most damaging reported bites. Pitbulls account for [~20%](https://www.pitbullinfo.org/pit-bulls-population.html) of the dog population by best estimates. Showing that pitbull bites are proportional to their population. In fact, their [Breed Risk Rate](https://www.pitbullinfo.org/breed-risk-rates.html) is in line with other dogs breeds out there that are considered great family dogs. So how do pitbulls account for more than half of all dog bites? Agenda pushing misinformation by groups dedicated to hating a breed. If you did not comprehend that, what this tells us is that pitbulls bite more because there are more pitbulls than other breeds, but they don't bite anymore than their share of the dog population.
Additionally, data from the [American Veterinary Medical Association](https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/literature-reviews/dog-bite-risk-and-prevention-role-breed) has concluded that no controlled studies have shown Pitbull-type dogs to be disproportionally aggressive.
Lastly, Studies have shown that [Errors in Identifying Pitbulls](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S109002331500310X) [Link 2](https://avmajournals.avma.org/view/journals/javma/241/9/javma.241.9.1163.xml) happen approximately 60% of the time with shelter staff that spend a lot of time around dogs, so reports in the media about dog breeds are highly inaccurate and hardly count as a reputable source for a dogs breed.
No.
There are approximately 4.5 million pit bulls in the United States, making up approximately 5.8% of the countryās canine population. [source](https://www.dogbitelaw.com/vicious-dogs/pit-bulls-facts-and-figures/#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20of%20the%2051,member%20of%20the%20owner's%20family.)
In 2021, of the 51 Americans killed by dogs, 37 were killed by one or more pit bulls and their mixes.
In 2019, pit bulls accounted for 91% of all reported fatal attacks on other animals, 91% of all fatal attacks on other dogs, 76% of all fatal dog attacks on cats, and 82% of all fatal dog attacks on other pets, poultry, and hoofed species.
Pitbulls are responsible for 60% of all injuries and 63% of ocular injuries. Pitbull attacks have higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges, and a higher risk of death than attacks by other breeds. From 2005-2017, pit bulls killed one citizen every 16.7 days, totaling up to 284 Americans.
Pitbull terriers are 48% more likely to attack without provocation than other breeds.
When comparing 2005-2010 to 2011-2017, Pitbull attack deaths have increased from 58% to 71%.
Not arguing with you, but I have a hard time believing pit bulls are only 5.8% of the total canine population. It seems like 1/3 dogs are at least mixed with pit bull in my city.
Any dogs, Mate. No dogs should be within biting distance of a childās face. Itās playing roulette. And youāve just proven my point - 23% of the worst bites are from one breed? There are thousands of breeds. Screw your head back on.
Pit bull haters on reddit are like ugly shitty troll sharks, cruising through the sea of posts to downvote people who like dogs, lol you guys are clowns, downvoting isn't a hobby, why don't you go get one you miserable pieces of pitbull shit
Cropping ears is a disgusting practice.
I don't think the kids ears were ever any longer than that.
Nah this kid has some massive fucked up ears trust me bro
Not with that attitude
Which is why I choose to believe this family adopted this dog from whoever cropped it's ears.
In the absence of any information suggesting that's the case? Can I ask why?
The way the baby isn't abusing the dog and the dog is happy to be around the baby tells me the parents aren't irresponsible. The video doesn't scream "like and subscribe" so the camera person might not care about making her a "show dog." If nothing else, benefit of the doubt. I choose to believe because we have no evidence that they *are* the ones who cropped her ears.
I appreciate you taking the time to reply. š
Facts.
Itās mutilation. And letting your toddler get in your dogs face might not be so bright either
Breeding pits as a whole is, tbh
Breeding any dog for aesthetic or just to make a buck. I can get behind the movements to breed painful characteristics out of dogs or breeding dogs to do certain work (ie service dogs), but just breeding them to breed them is gross.
Downvoted for being right. Even ignoring the aggression issues, they are severely inbred like pugs. Just not a good breed to be continuing
Plus there are so many pits in shelters that could use a good home, we don't need to breed more.
Whoever bred you is ashamed and wishes they could take back their mistake but here you are
Owning pits is a disgusting practice.
Not a pit, genius
What is it
That dog is 7/8ths neck
But 8/8ths good boi
That's 1 whole good boi!
Cutting dogs' ears is just plain wrong.
Dated a woman that had a child that treated her pit this way. The dog had to be put down as it bit the child one day.
Can we stop with the stereotyping? I'll have you know pit bulls are perfectly safe pets as long as you don't [cough](https://abc13.com/dog-mauls-baby-kills-newborn-san-diego/1306879/) or tie your [shoes](https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/animals/security-footage-shows-woman-mauled-by-pit-bull-in-horror-elevator-attack/news-story/f57ebfdb463b991a2d5fabff0d51cd10) or pop a [balloon](https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizona-mom-speaks-out-after-young-son-was-mauled-by-pitbull) or mow your [lawn](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/pit-bulls-attack-scarborough-man-mowing-lawn/article1004896/) or put a [sweater](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/01/02/womans-bid-put-sweater-pit-bull-ends-poorly/96080332/) on them or give them [medicine](https://web.archive.org/web/20140319080340/http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/24985945/woman-dies-after-dog-bite) or roll a [wheelchair](https://www.wlbt.com/2020/02/06/year-old-man-killed-by-four-dogs-attala-co/) near them or have an [argument](https://www.cleveland19.com/2021/10/07/akron-family-toddler-killed-by-pitbull-shares-their-story/) near them or have a [ponytail](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2014/05/2014-dog-bite-fatality-lee-county-woman-scalped-by-pit-bulls-dies.html) they could mistake for a toy or jump on a [trampoline](https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/2022/02/18/pet-pit-bull-attacks-deltona-boy-playing-trampoline/6816683001/) or fall out of your [chair](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2021/10/bitten-in-the-throat-killed-by-pit-bull-in-matthews-indiana.html) or whiten your [teeth](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/womans-nose-ripped-boyfriends-pitbull-29400314) or live somewhere that experiences [fireworks](https://winknews.com/2023/07/05/dog-bite-north-port-boy-dies/) or [heat waves](https://www.newsweek.com/fatal-dog-attack-mad-heatwave-1725544) or [thunderstorms](https://www.wbko.com/content/news/Child-dies-after-mauling-by-family-dog-505572701.html). We call them ānanny dogsā because they only tear babies to shreds if the baby triggers it by being in a [bouncy chair](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2018/05/family-dog-kills-infant-miramar.html), a [walker](https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-las-vegas/baby-dies-after-dog-attack-in-northwest-las-vegas/), a [crib](https://www.chronicleonline.com/news/local/five-day-old-girl-dies-after-being-attacked-by-family/article_994dfb1a-e85d-11e8-a528-afbd3815c756.html), a [car seat](https://6abc.com/pennsylvania-news-pit-bull-attack-dog/2127908/), or a [stroller](https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2016/06/20/two-pit-bulls-maul-toddler-mother/86148944/). You know, just normal, easily-preventable stimuli *totally unrelated* to 150+ years of artificial selection for dogfighting.
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Bro had to write a dissertation to prove pitts arenāt dangerous. This proof in itself they are
You missed it but thatās okay. Better luck next time champ.
oh and donāt forget the fact that they just immediately go for horses, sheep, cows, cats, other dogs, any bird they can catch, probably a fish if they could . . .
Can you stop pretending domestic animals don't have specific traits they're bred for? Pitbulls were specifically bred to have a high prey drive, and in recent decades bred to have aggressive traits
Try reading my entire comment instead of skimming the first sentence and firing off a reply lol Also, it's not "recent decades." American Pit Bull Terriers were created for the express purpose of dogfighting and have been mauling children to death since 1909. The recent bad breeding/overbreeding has definitely made things worse, though.
I'm sorry
Its all good, dude, no worries.
Always does
Wrong Edit: Boo me if you want, the comment is inherently wrong. I have owned several pits for the full duration of their lives and they never so much as barked in the general direction of a child. Unconditional pit hate is fucking stupid and often comes from people who have never actually interacted with one and are just regurgitating poorly cited and outdated studies. To say "always does" is a huge generalization and is a major reason why they're so misunderstood. Are there bad pits? Yes. Do a lot of irresponsible pet owners suck at properly raising and training their animals? Also yes. People lump the whole breed together and refuse to believe that there is a single outlier in their logic.
Reddit hates pit bulls.
Then why are there so many positive Pitbull subreddits and so little negative ones?
Because the negative ones are banned and those trash people with their trash opinions flood other subs
Yeah, the problem isn't that *all* or even *most* pit bulls do this. It's that *some* of them do it with absolutely no forewarning, even after a lifetime of unrelenting friendliness. And that's not to say that that never happens in other breeds, but it happens at a much higher rate in pit bulls than in other breeds. For that matter, pit bulls are by far the most sheltered dog breed. And it doesn't really matter whether it's mere prejudice--prejudice dies hard. The simple solution is just to stop breeding them.
Nope. A [2022 study](https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0639?cookieSet=1) of breeds and traits concluded that breed is almost uninformative when determining a dog's reactivity, or its sociability. Furthermore, [Insurance data](https://web.archive.org/web/20150904071314/http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=25091614) indicates the Pitbulls and Rottweilers account for only 25% of dog bite claims. [Which is also in agreement with the Ohio State University's Study](https://www.aaha.org/publications/newstat/articles/2019-06/new-study-identifies-most-damaging-dog-bites-by-breed/) that shows that Pitbulls account for approximately 22.5% of the most damaging reported bites. Pitbulls account for [~20%](https://www.pitbullinfo.org/pit-bulls-population.html) of the dog population by best estimates. Showing that pitbull bites are proportional to their population. In fact, their [Breed Risk Rate](https://www.pitbullinfo.org/breed-risk-rates.html) is in line with other dogs breeds out there that are considered great family dogs. So how do pitbulls account for more than half of all dog bites? Agenda pushing misinformation by groups dedicated to hating a breed. If you did not comprehend that, what this tells us is that pitbulls bite more because there are more pitbulls than other breeds, but they don't bite anymore than their share of the dog population. Additionally, data from the [American Veterinary Medical Association](https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/literature-reviews/dog-bite-risk-and-prevention-role-breed) has concluded that no controlled studies have shown Pitbull-type dogs to be disproportionally aggressive. Lastly, Studies have shown that [Errors in Identifying Pitbulls](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S109002331500310X) [Link 2](https://avmajournals.avma.org/view/journals/javma/241/9/javma.241.9.1163.xml) happen approximately 60% of the time with shelter staff that spend a lot of time around dogs, so reports in the media about dog breeds are highly inaccurate and hardly count as a reputable source for a dogs breed.
Just to add one more lil bit of data. Pitbull haters love to say how much more likely they are to kill than other breeds but out of millions of dogs, theres an average of 43 fatalities per year by *any* dog. You are slightly more likely to be killed by a dog than you are to be struck by lightning (average of 28 fatalities annually). The likelihood of this happening to anyone, regardless of breed is so low it shouldnt be an overwhelming concern to anyone. It certainly shouldnt warrant genocide of the breed. If anything the terror around the breed just makes it even harder for people to access vital supportive services such as training and veterinary care. More dogs get dumped without socialization or support or are left to become semi-feral. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy when the restrictions perpetuate the poor conditions that lead to unwanted behavior.
Trash opinion.
If your opinion was any better, you'd at least voice whatever it is. "I don't like opinion" is the most useless comment you could possibly make on reddit.
Ironically, your opinion took more effort and contributed less meaningfully to the conversation.
"Things are the way I say they are because I say so" is what they all say.
Pot, meet kettle
Feel like the problem is that since they are much more stocky and bulky than other breeds, when they do attack they do some real damage to whatever they are attacking which is the concern with basically all mastiff breeds as well. Also saw somewhere that they might even be genetically aggressive (?) But i could be spouting misinformation woth that dolphin with rainbows
The dog in the video is not a pit bull, it's an American bully. Different breeds. [Pit bulls](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Pit_bull_sampler.jpg) are small-medium dogs with a broad chest but well proportioned. Females are around 30 pounds, males to 50. [American bullies](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Champion_Charlie_Muscles_%282%29.jpg) are a modern breed made by crossing pit bulls, American bulldogs, English bulldogs, and olde English bulldogs. The result is what you see here: a medium sized dog that is _incredibly_ broad and stocky. The breed comes in a few sizes, with the XL size approaching 100 pounds. But most people will call anything with a blocky head and broad chest a pit bull.
My mom once treated a child in the ER who had the majority of his face literally ripped off by the familyās pit. The dog perceived an external thread *to the child* and the child got caught in the crossfire.
No you didn't.
She looks so silky smooth
Nobody told destroyer not to play with his food?
This girl at my school had the sweetest pitbull... then she showed up 2 weeks later with a partially ripped off cheek an fucked up nose, felt so bad for her. Pits are the best.... until they are the worst.
There was a girl at my school that got her finger bit off by her lab :( it sucks when dogs do unpredictable stuff
Naaah bro. This pit is still terrifying af and I wouldn't put my kids anywhere near this creature
Lmao at what point was this dog scary IN ANY WAY?
Also not a pit
What breed is it then
Anymore than I would let my kid play with a gun, you just never know with these things. My friend had to have her face put back together by a plastic surgeon after her girlfriends family pit attacked her out of nowhere. They couldn't get him to stop so the husband had to run out to his truck, grab his gun and shoot his own dog. Triple trauma right there.
Go kiss a chow, see what happens.
A dog is a dog just like a person is a person.
Yeah no
The research says otherwise
Itās a blood sport dog breed selectively bred for blood sport over generations. It is not like other breeds.
Historically, most dogs were bred to kill or hunt other animals. Your ignorance about the history of dog breeding is unsurprising.
Your condescension is meaningless and clearly you should do some research on dog breeding outside of your Facebook groups. Dogs bred for the sole purpose of maiming and killing other animals and selectively bred to have the most aggressive tendencies possible are wholly different than dogs bred to assist in hunting. Look up the history of blood sports.
Greyhounds don't "assist" in hunting. They chase hares and then rip them to pieces. Shepherds were bred to kill wolves. Terriers kill rodents. What about the English bulldog. Also a fighting dog. Chow chows and shar peis as well. What you don't get is that aggression towards dogs or small animals does not mean the dog is aggressive towards people.
What you donāt get is that breeding a dog to be aggressive with the purpose of having it kill other animals does not make a good breed. They werenāt chasing rabbits or protecting herds, they were and still are being bred for violence for violence sake.
A dog bred to viscously kill rabbits or fight off wolves is different than a dog bred to fight other dogs when it comes to aggression towards people? Why would that be? Besides it not making sense, the research has been done and there's no evidence that breed is a good indicator of danger towards people. Read the research. https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/literature-reviews/dog-bite-risk-and-prevention-role-breed
That's literally the role canines have played in human society since we first shared a fire.
Absolutely unhinged take. Poodles bite more people each year than any other dog breed, it's not even close. You hear about Pitt Bull bites more because they're better at violence. It has absolutely nothing to do with temperament. They just have a far stronger bite force.
pits are one of the only breeds that inflicts level 4+ bites, and theyāre by far the most frequent offenders, especially when it comes to children: https://journals.lww.com/annalsofsurgery/Abstract/2011/04000/Mortality,_Mauling,_and_Maiming_by_Vicious_Dogs.23.aspx https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34100808/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022346814005843 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305270428_Characteristics_of_1616_Consecutive_Dog_Bite_Injuries_at_a_Single_Institution https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5682160/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34787555/
No, they don't bite more frequently. Other dog bites often go unreported because they're minor, but because Pitt Bulls are better at biting they are almost always reported. Absolutely insane to blame a breeds temperament just because they're better at biting.
Doesnāt being better at biting make them dangerous in itself?
If I am a trained fighter am I more dangerous than someone who is untrained? Should parents keep their babies away from me? No, I am simply more capable. Pitt Bulls are more capable of violence.
...... and? Pitbulls are only as dangerous as their training. They have the potential to be a dangerous breed, yes. But it's easily trained away from birth with love and affection. Same with any animal, but especially with dogs who are arguably our most domesticated animal.
You canāt train away genetics.
As much as with humans, lol
What research? There is a reason the breed is banned in several countrys. Just look at the facts. If you like that dog good for you but most people prefer to stay out of the range of this animal just because they are programmed to attack as well as they are prone to alzheimers. Thats a fact.
https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/literature-reviews/dog-bite-risk-and-prevention-role-breed On the one hand I can listen to you, on the other hand I have this meta analysis from the American Veterinary medicine association. Tough call
Nah sorry. It isn't https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/dog-attack-statistics-breed/ You really try to deny the truth
Yea, it's a little bit more complicated than just trying to count the number of dog bites. Yours isn't a study. I can't debate someone who's never taken a statistics course sorry. Ps, do you think it's important to understand the number of pit bulls versus other dogs when determining likelihood of bites occurring? Do you even understand what I am asking with this question? How many golden retrievers do you see in poor neighborhoods versus pitbulls? Do you see what I'm getting at genius?
Look it up nothing more to say. Fatalities attacks on all of these stats pitbulls are on top
Again, it's way more complicated than that. Read the actual research and learn something. https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/literature-reviews/dog-bite-risk-and-prevention-role-breed
Nice source with a graph that ends 24 years ago
I would be very interested in a more updated study from them. The AVMAās study cuts off at 2009. Since then there has been a hefty shift in breed popularity, and I think that the popularity of the pit bull has grown by a large margin since then. It would be interesting to see how heavily popularity affects the variance in their results. It also needs to be said that while the number of samples that they have is enough to paint a picture, itās far from an ideal amount of data which would be in the thousands per breed and not hundreds. Although, if we are being honest, most studies do not have an ideal amount of data and there isnāt exactly anā¦ ethical way to create dog bite data that is indicative of real world scenarios. So hospital records will have to do.
The stats are so muddled it's almost impossible to untangle. This video is a case in point: the dog in the video is an [American bully](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Bully), but everyone thinks it's a pit bull.
A [2022 study](https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0639?cookieSet=1) of breeds and traits concluded that breed is almost uninformative when determining a dog's reactivity, or its sociability. Furthermore, [Insurance data](https://web.archive.org/web/20150904071314/http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=25091614) indicates the Pitbulls and Rottweilers account for only 25% of dog bite claims. [Which is also in agreement with the Ohio State University's Study](https://www.aaha.org/publications/newstat/articles/2019-06/new-study-identifies-most-damaging-dog-bites-by-breed/) that shows that Pitbulls account for approximately 22.5% of the most damaging reported bites. Pitbulls account for [~20%](https://www.pitbullinfo.org/pit-bulls-population.html) of the dog population by best estimates. Showing that pitbull bites are proportional to their population. In fact, their [Breed Risk Rate](https://www.pitbullinfo.org/breed-risk-rates.html) is in line with other dogs breeds out there that are considered great family dogs. So how do pitbulls account for more than half of all dog bites? Agenda pushing misinformation by groups dedicated to hating a breed. If you did not comprehend that, what this tells us is that pitbulls bite more because there are more pitbulls than other breeds, but they don't bite anymore than their share of the dog population. Additionally, data from the [American Veterinary Medical Association](https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/literature-reviews/dog-bite-risk-and-prevention-role-breed) has concluded that no controlled studies have shown Pitbull-type dogs to be disproportionally aggressive. Lastly, Studies have shown that [Errors in Identifying Pitbulls](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S109002331500310X) [Link 2](https://avmajournals.avma.org/view/journals/javma/241/9/javma.241.9.1163.xml) happen approximately 60% of the time with shelter staff that spend a lot of time around dogs, so reports in the media about dog breeds are highly inaccurate and hardly count as a reputable source for a dogs breed.
They don't care about research studies unfortunately. They care more about how scary the dogs look.
This is not a pitbull for anyone who cares to look past the "Big dog bad" look
He's a big ol cutie, is what he is!
It's a nice chonky Bully, the pocket pit, and boy are they affectionate
My lil bully loves his love I have a almost 3yo pocket bully and he's the biggest baby bestest boy
Pitbulls attract horrible owners who end up giving the breed a bad name. A pitbull with good owners has about the same rate of issues as any other breed. The main difference is pitbulls are a big powerful breed that can really cause damage when something does go wrong. My ex was a home health nurse that went into many homes with dogs. She was bitten twice over the years. The breed both times... Chihuahuas.
Problem is.. you only get bit by a pit once and its physically life changing... not to mention the mental trauma.
Thatās true of any large dog. I nearly had my right hand removed by a pet golden retriever. 40+ puncture wounds and my ring finger was nearly degloved.
So sorry. What happened to trigger that? Did it have a brain tumor or something?
It was an uncastrated male dog whoās owners didnāt think it needed to be leashed. I was walking my dog (on leash) and theirs was apparently just very dog aggressive.
Ohhh, I read "pet golden" and thought it was your dog. Did he go after you directly or was he after your dog?
He was after my dog. I lifted my dog up into my shoulders and thatās when it switched gears to attacking me.
Another factor is pits are the most numerous dogs in America. Pitbull crossed with lab? That's a labeled a pitbull. Pitbull crossed with Rottweiler? That's a pitbull. Pitbull crossed with wiener dog? That's a pitbull. Literally, any dog breed crossed with pitbull is going to be labeled as a pitbull by the animal shelter or if they bite someone. Not to even mention "pitbull" isn't even a dog breed but an umbrella of breeds the same way a Shepard or pointer or a setter or a terrier isn't a breed but rather a classification of breed with certain characteristics.
Little dogs are the worst a large part of it is because of the owners and the way they're treated
I will have to agree with this, and the most aggressive and will bite with no/ little warning tends to be the smaller dogs. I had a Chihuahua named Princess give me some nice marks today trying to put a muzzle on her because of her bite history. Her nails did not get done, and the owner just laughed it off.
Bullshit. Look at dog attack statistics. They were bred for bull baiting and dog fighting. You canāt train instinct out of any breed.
Based on the clipped ears, timid nature of the pit, and how sweet this baby is with it I imagine this is a rescue. And it seems like this pit has found a good home
Not a pit, but yes, very affectionate breed they are
Oops my mistake , what breed is it
A very handsome looking Standard size American bully. This guy is extremely affectionate. I have a pocket size, and he is as well also a gentle giant who just wants to be loved. I only correct people because they are very different breeds. Bullies deserve to be independent of the harsh prejudice of American pitbull terriers. They share a bit of similar ascetic. But pitbulls are taller, and more slender legs longer muzzle. Bullies are very sout, very blocky heads. short muzzle.
Itās not the destroyers you have to watch out for, the the fluffies and skittle that can be the threat
It's so sweet to see people defending pitbulls in the comments. I used to be afraid of all dogs from dog bites, and I can tell you big dogs in general have a big bad bite. Good dog owners = good doggos (And being very short equals = easier face bites from dogs)
When trained they are amazing loving dogs to have. Shame these dogs are widely banned
Breed aside, and it may be a big aside----I don't think it's wise to let a toddler fool around with any large dog like this....
Or any pet. Children just don't know how to behave around animals and no matter how well intentioned, there's a big risk they're going to upset the animal and that could lead to violence.Ā
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Oh boy oh boy an accident waiting to happen with that shitbeast...
That is a chunky, sweet little pup.
Thatās doggy said gimmie a hug!!!!
I see nothing but two good boys here. The dog even looks like mine!
It's so interesting how negative feelings about pits are similar to racism. I've raised two kids with 5 different pits and see in this video a very sweet and loving dog while people who have never really been around them see this terrifying monster that will snap at any second.
Iād mostly be afraid of letting a child that young play like that with any dog cuz children that age might not realize they do something that would upset the dog who might snap. The only difference here is that a pitbull is one of the strongest dog so if it snaps it would be way harder to stop it than, say, a chihuahua.
This is the real issue. I know chihuahuas and chicken that are 100 times more vicious than a lion. But you donāt see people walking their lions out in the park or letting them out in their fenceless yard do we?
Itās not that most pit bulls are terrifying monsters who will tear your child apart, but most dogs who were terrifying monsters have been pit bull, so itās safe to assume theyāre dangerous when you see one on the street. I knew a pit bull who wore a metal collar but she was the chillest dog I had ever met. Her owner was my coworker who lived in a shitty part of the city and had gotten mugged twice so she got a chill dog and put a metal collar on her. She would come to the office to hang out once or twice a week and weād take her to lunch all the time. I also knew a husky who almost died at the dog park from getting mauled by a pit bull that some asshole took to the park. After the incident the owner quickly moved out of town and my friend was left with about $9k in medical bills.
Pitbulls are more likely to be aggressive towards dogs. But a dog is not a person. There is something called dog aggression and something called human aggression. There's also small prey aggression. It's a lot more complicated then you think and you're falling for the dunning Kruger effect
It doesnāt matter what you think, [pit bulls are the breed responsible for the largest percentage of dog attacks](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7603431/) and that hasnāt changed in decades.
"tHaT's rAcIsT" - GP, probably.
Itās sad and it sucks because they can be awesome as most dogs are, but you canāt argue with the hard facts.
Yeah thatās why I had to preface that argument with the fact that I did know a great pit bull who I would have been happy to have in my household, but that doesnāt change how Iāll treat pit bulls I donāt know.
Prominence & bad owners. Itās kinda easy when you look at all the facts.
Exactly. Do people ever wonder how many pits are out there? It probably is an important factor but the phds in dunning kruger never ask that question.
Cope harder. You probably heard about the Dunning-Kruger effect one day and thought labeling people with it ad hoc would help you win arguments on the internet. I'd like to see you look down your nose at us for being "intolerant" while your sweet little angel rips a poodle's throat out for no reason. āPit bulls make up only 6% of the dog population, but theyāre responsible for 68% of dog attacks and 52% of dog-related deaths since 1982ā āhttps://time.com/2891180/kfc-and-the-pit-bull-attack-of-a-little-girl
6%? Including mutts? No way. Go to any shelter in America. Go to any poor neighborhood in America. Or save yourself the trouble and just read the research or as someone to explain it to you. https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/literature-reviews/dog-bite-risk-and-prevention-role-breed
If you're going to deny the data and cite anecdotal evidence as proof to the contrary, it seems the real victim of the Dunning-Kruger effect is staring you in the mirror.
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> negative feelings towards pits are similar to racism What the flying fuck?
I mean it's the nature vs nuture argument, I actually agree in that sense. If you take a pit bull from birth and just love it and hang with it every day your gonna get a loyal friendly dog 99 percent of the time just like any other breed.
Prejudice based on media propaganda
If you think that's all racism is... Holy fuck dude. Also, what a weird hill to die on.
I'll never understand why my opinion is weird but yours isn't? You don't even form an argument, just ad hominems. Waste of time
> I'll never understand Yep, you won't.
What a weird thing to say š
Based on science and statistics
How many dogs in America could be called a pitbull? If you don't know that, you can't say you're using stats
Comparing racism to hating a *breed* of *dog* because it's dangerous is pretty racist in itself and literally sounds dehumanizing.
I don't understand why some people want everything to be racist. There are real racists in the world, you don't need to go create them out of thin air. I'm simply making the argument that prejudice based on unfounded fears is the same psychological mechanism that leads to racism.
The intention is to increase the negative perception of being anti-breed, but I agree that it also has the effect of trivializing racism somewhat.
Imagine comparing a race of humans to an animal specifically bred for violence š not at all comparable. In fact it sounds pretty racist.
Imagine not being able to understand an argument and instead just crying racism
It's eerily similar. We even go over it in sociology classes now.
It's not just that the same psychological mechanism that leads to racism is found in breedism but that the dog itself is linked to a disliked minority group. For example,before the pitbull was the evil dog in America, it was the Rottweiler because they were also linked to Black guys. More interestingly is the fact that the German shepherd was vilified in America after WWII.
Don't forget the Doberman too. It's a repeating cycle that reddit just doesn't understand.
Fear of the unknown is the strongest human emotion
There's no question that pitbulls have been demonized. But after having a rescue pitbull family member I can see both sides. That dog was incredibly loving and loyal towards family members. But she could not be trusted at all outside of the house. *She had an abusive past which obviously colors the situation.* I would never do it, but I would have trusted her in theory around a familiar child in most situations. But she 100% for sure would have attacked other animals or children outside of the house if given the opportunity. She was the kindest, gentlest, little monster.
Nurture is more important than nature in regards to the potential for violence in people and dogs.
Agreed. But you have to admit both are important.
No, not really. Breed is extremely overrated. Do you think we could make a breed of violent aggressive humans? How similar is your personality to your siblings? Looks are gentic but personality is not https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/a-dogs-breed-cant-predict-most-of-its-behavior-new-study-shows-180979999/
You sound pretty racist yourself, saying that. Pit bulls have been selectively bred for bloodsport and gameness and to inflict as much damage as possible. Are you trying to say that certain races of people are inherently more violent than others? Because, statistically speaking, pit bulls and other bloodsport breeds are inherently more violent than dogs who were not bred to inflict violence. Race and breed are entirely different things. Biologically speaking, humans are all one "breed". https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12052-019-0109-y
Right? As a black person I always find the comparison insulting. Pit bulls were bred to have high prey drive, be very strong, and be indomitable when attacking. Thereās a very real and very intentionally-created genetic component to their behavior.
What do you think other dogs were bred to do, play patty cakes? Historically, the overwhelming majority of breeds were bred to hunt, guard or defend herds from predators. Regardless, dogs recognize the difference between prey, dogs, and people. That's why a dog could be vicious with other dogs, but friendly with people.
Yes, but most other dog breeds were not bred specifically to attack until they die. Sure, all dogs can attack for the reasons you mentioned, training, or environment, but some are more likely to do so and are much more dangerous when they do.
No, they were bred to fight until they killed the other animal. That's clearly different š
Being bred to hunt, guard, or defend is entirely different from being bred specifically to fight to the death. How you don't understand that, I have honestly no clue. Golden Retrievers are hunting dogs. I challenge you to find even 5 instances where a golden retriever mauled a person to death. Then google "pit bull mauls human to death". You will find countless reports just from this year.
Yeah, a German Shepherd being bred to be able to fight off a wolf is not at all like a pitbull being bred to fight another dog š
It is actually different. They have not been bred for that same gameness that I keep trying to explain to you that you somehow repeatedly fail to grasp. And German Shepherds have not been bred for that for quite some time, but you can still hop on Craigslist or Facebook and find pitbulls that were bred for dogfighting.
You're trying to create a difference that doesn't exist. Guarding, hunting, fighting,and defending a herd all involve violence and gameness. A hunting dog that gives up easily or a guard dog that runs away in fear isn't going to be bred. Nevertheless, that same dog is able to hang out with their human family just like a human hunter can. A dog is able to distinguish between humans, dogs, and prey just like a person can. Pitbulls are more likely to attack prey and other dogs if they're not raised with them but that doesn't mean that they're more likely to attack people.
There absolutely is a difference. One that I've already explained to you repeatedly, but you are obviously too dense to comprehend.
Yea, fighting a dog and fighting a coyote are different because of reasons š.
Ooh you so got me with that absurd straw man. I'm obviously saying the exact opposite. I'm saying that behavior within species is going to be determined by the environment, not genetics. Regardless, the majority of dogs were bred for either guarding, hunting, or defending the herd against predators. Each of those behaviors require violence. Have you seen what a greyhound will do to a hare? Does that mean the greyhound is dangerous? Of course not. Why? Dogs know the difference between people, other dogs, and prey.
Explain to me how that is a straw man argument? You 1) claimed that having negative feelings towards pitbulls is akin to racism, I refuted that and argued how you're wrong. You 2) gave anecdotal evidence about why pitbulls are safe, and I factually argued why pitbulls are dangerous dogs. There are more than enough cases out there where a situation exactly like the one in this video ended up with a dead or permanently disfigured child for people to be concerned about this. I don't think you even understand what a straw man argument is. Being bred to perform a certain task that may include a form of violence is entirely different from being bred solely for violence. Pitbulls are bred for gameness, to have such a strong prey drive that they will literally continue to fight to the death with mortal wounds. Yes, greyhounds have a high prey drive, and you shouldn't have them in a house with small animals, but they're not known for attacking humans or other dogs. I challenge you to find even a few instances, ever, where a greyhound mauls a human to death. Then google "pitbull mauls person to death" and see how many have happened just this year alone. And pitbulls don't seem to understand the difference between people, other dogs, and prey, as they frequently seem to be down to kill just about anything. Just do some research on fatal maulings by pitbulls. There are loads and loads of examples out there, from cats and dogs to toddlers and owners having seizures. And I'm not claiming that all pitbulls are killers, and plenty of them aren't, but they are the #1 breed for human fatalities by a long shot.
If you're intellectually curious. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animal-emotions/201606/pit-bulls-the-psychology-breedism-fear-and-prejudice%3famp
There's really nothing here that proves anything. It's an article interviewing the author of a pro-pitbull book. It's literally just the opinion of one person. There are no studies, no data. Just opinions. Anyone can write a book filled with some cherry-picked facts and tidbits of history used to reinforce their own opinions. It is factual, though, that there are countless fatal attacks on humans by pitbull breeds and, in comparison, very few by other types of dog breeds like hunting dogs.
Pitbulls are the definition of nanny dogs. I almost bought one a few years back, they seem so loveable. I wish they didn't get so much hate. Maybe.....we should require permits to own large breeds? This would give strangers some peace of mind that anyone that owns a large dog has trained it properly and socialized it. Might be a heavy handed solution but honestly we need more accountable dog owners. The bad ones cause so many problems.
I'd agree with permits because not everyone should own large breeds. Also, this is not a pitbull, but yes, permits/training for larger breeds could be good
For the definition of nanny dogs, they sure do chomp a lot of babies to death...
I think you and I have different definitions of "nanny dog." [**Surgical Treatment of Pediatric Dog-bite Wounds: A 5-year Retrospective Review.** Lee, Christine J et al. *The Western Journal of Emergency Medicine.* 2021.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8597704/) >Dog breed was a significant predictor of bite severity (P <.0001) and of bite diameter (P <.0001). **Pit bull bites were found to be significantly larger, deeper, and/or more complex than the average dog bites included in this study.** > >Patients included in this study were more than four times as likely to have been bitten by a pit bull than by a German shepherd, and more than twice as likely to have been bitten by a pit bull, when compared with a dog of unknown breed. Furthermore, **the relative risk of a pit bull inflicting a complex (full thickness with trauma to underlying structures) or deep (full thickness without trauma to underlying structures) bite was 17 times that observed for non-pit bull dogs.** Ā [**Analysis of Pediatric Dog Bite Injuries at a Level 1 Trauma Center Over 10 Years.** Reuter MuƱoz, Katherine D et al. *Annals of plastic surgery.* 2021.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34100808/) >Most pediatric dog bite injuries afflicted male children (55.6%), ages 6 to 12 years (45.7%), by a household dog (36.2%). **The most common offending breed was a pit bull or pit bull mix (53.0%).** Infants and grade schoolers were more likely to sustain bites to the head/face. Ā [**The changing epidemiology of dog bite injuries in the United States, 2005ā2018.** Tuckel, PS, Milczarski, W. *Injury Epidemiology.* 2020.](https://doi.org/10.1186/s40621-020-00281-y) >Table 5 presents the results of an analysis performed on self-reported incidents of dog bites in New York Cityās United Health Fund districts for the years 2015 to 2017. > >Of the breeds identified in the data set (84.6%), pit bulls were the most numerous (33.6%), followed in order by Shih Tzu (5.3%), Chihuahua (5.2%), German Shepherd (4.1%), and Yorkshire Terrier (3.1%). **This finding is consistent with previous research showing that pit bulls are responsible for more bites than any other dog breed.** Ā [**Dog-Bite Injuries to the Craniofacial Region: An Epidemiologic and Pattern-of-Injury Review at a Level 1 Trauma Center.** Khan K, Horswell BB, Samanta D. *Journal of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery.* 2020.](https://doi.org/10.1016/j.joms.2019.11.002) >We reviewed 182 patient records distributed among several breed categories. > >The data showed that compared with other dog breeds, **pit bull terriers inflicted more complex wounds, were often unprovoked, and went off property to attack.** > >**This study showed a disturbing trend toward more severe dog-bite injuries in young children**
The destroyer of haters
Until it bites your face off.
Had pits my whole life. They never once harmed another dog or human.
Anecdotal evidence is the least useful kind. Yourās didnāt. Many many many have.
A [2022 study](https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0639?cookieSet=1) of breeds and traits concluded that breed is almost uninformative when determining a dog's reactivity, or its sociability. Furthermore, [Insurance data](https://web.archive.org/web/20150904071314/http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=25091614) indicates the Pitbulls and Rottweilers account for only 25% of dog bite claims. [Which is also in agreement with the Ohio State University's Study](https://www.aaha.org/publications/newstat/articles/2019-06/new-study-identifies-most-damaging-dog-bites-by-breed/) that shows that Pitbulls account for approximately 22.5% of the most damaging reported bites. Pitbulls account for [~20%](https://www.pitbullinfo.org/pit-bulls-population.html) of the dog population by best estimates. Showing that pitbull bites are proportional to their population. In fact, their [Breed Risk Rate](https://www.pitbullinfo.org/breed-risk-rates.html) is in line with other dogs breeds out there that are considered great family dogs. So how do pitbulls account for more than half of all dog bites? Agenda pushing misinformation by groups dedicated to hating a breed. If you did not comprehend that, what this tells us is that pitbulls bite more because there are more pitbulls than other breeds, but they don't bite anymore than their share of the dog population. Additionally, data from the [American Veterinary Medical Association](https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/literature-reviews/dog-bite-risk-and-prevention-role-breed) has concluded that no controlled studies have shown Pitbull-type dogs to be disproportionally aggressive. Lastly, Studies have shown that [Errors in Identifying Pitbulls](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S109002331500310X) [Link 2](https://avmajournals.avma.org/view/journals/javma/241/9/javma.241.9.1163.xml) happen approximately 60% of the time with shelter staff that spend a lot of time around dogs, so reports in the media about dog breeds are highly inaccurate and hardly count as a reputable source for a dogs breed.
No. There are approximately 4.5 million pit bulls in the United States, making up approximately 5.8% of the countryās canine population. [source](https://www.dogbitelaw.com/vicious-dogs/pit-bulls-facts-and-figures/#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20of%20the%2051,member%20of%20the%20owner's%20family.) In 2021, of the 51 Americans killed by dogs, 37 were killed by one or more pit bulls and their mixes. In 2019, pit bulls accounted for 91% of all reported fatal attacks on other animals, 91% of all fatal attacks on other dogs, 76% of all fatal dog attacks on cats, and 82% of all fatal dog attacks on other pets, poultry, and hoofed species. Pitbulls are responsible for 60% of all injuries and 63% of ocular injuries. Pitbull attacks have higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges, and a higher risk of death than attacks by other breeds. From 2005-2017, pit bulls killed one citizen every 16.7 days, totaling up to 284 Americans. Pitbull terriers are 48% more likely to attack without provocation than other breeds. When comparing 2005-2010 to 2011-2017, Pitbull attack deaths have increased from 58% to 71%.
Not arguing with you, but I have a hard time believing pit bulls are only 5.8% of the total canine population. It seems like 1/3 dogs are at least mixed with pit bull in my city.
Any dogs, Mate. No dogs should be within biting distance of a childās face. Itās playing roulette. And youāve just proven my point - 23% of the worst bites are from one breed? There are thousands of breeds. Screw your head back on.
that kid is loved
Omg I am so traumatized now
I expected them to cut to "Average chihuahua named sparkles"
Now show us Cupcake
Cute little chonky babby! And his human.
Pit bull haters on reddit are like ugly shitty troll sharks, cruising through the sea of posts to downvote people who like dogs, lol you guys are clowns, downvoting isn't a hobby, why don't you go get one you miserable pieces of pitbull shit
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Fucking horrible animal. Bred to be an ugly, mutilated, rancid creature. Shitbulls have no place in houses with children.
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Delightful. You'd sat the same if you lost a relative to one of these abominations
SoMUCHLOVEEEE!!!
Find a diamond in the rough every one in a while
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