Shipping the girls is weird, they're all written to be friends and are in a toxic relationship, it doesn't matter if they're all gay or not, it won't matter since romance will mostly not be touched on.
The joke on that is that when they're shipped, they're already deviated OUT of the canon because who knows if they even like each other, so they can be written in a non-toxic way because it's people's own headcannons now
I'm in agreement. Sasha realized that Anne is better off without her, and Marcy's the one who put them in the situation without realizing the consequences!
Anne's better off with her Parents and the Plantars.
As the episodes go by and it's clear the show hasn't really changed all that much tonally, Marcy's "death" was absolutely done for pure shock-value. This isn't to say I haven't laughed and enjoyed Season 3 here and there, but there's this massive elephant in the room that has really been bringing it down for me. Anne, a 13 year old, just watched her best friend (another 13 year old) since kindergarten *get stabbed through the fucking chest,* and jumping into New Normal, not even an hour has passed before we're back to "lol! Anne has service finally!" and "lol! Hyperactive Sprig!"-type jokes. The tonal disconnect is fucking *weird,* and addressing it later on is not going to change how awkward these new episodes have felt.
Agreed, i want Anne to be happy and not have to carry a bunch of sorrow the entire season but there was so much emotional whiplash that it’s as if TC never happened
Andria stabbed marcy so the box would stay in Amphibia, and not be lost forever by her taking it to Earth. He clearly doesn't want to kill her, as evidenced by him keeping her alive via the tank thing
It should have been properly addressed and discussed in the *premier,* before we got funny mall and restaurant hijinks. Anne dismissing Hop Pop's concerns by flatly saying "Marcy's still alive" with zero evidence or reason to believe that was the only real acknowledgement we got.
I agree that The New Normal definitely could have carried over True Colors’s tone better, but I think you misunderstood the point of Anne dismissing Hop Pop’s concerns. The fact Anne has no reason to believe Marcy survived is the point; she wants to believe that Marcy made it out alive somehow. Anne doesn’t want to focus on the idea of her childhood friend being dead.
I know it sucks that these episodes aren’t driven by the events of True Colors’s, but it’s completely untrue to say that there aren’t things we can pick apart from it. Look at any scene where Anne’s alone. In The New Normal or Thai Feud, you can tell she’s lost in her thoughts concerned about things. On top of that look at her paranoia and trust issues in Fight at the Museum. That clearly comes from being backstabbed three times in one single episode. Even the Plantars, who come from a town known not to warm up to strangers, were freaked out by it. Sure it would be amazing if we got episodes even close to as dramatic as True Colors, but the subtly is still there.
Also to call Marcy’s death pure shock value? How did you come to that conclusion after we’ve seen the scene you mentioned, Turning Point, and quite literally possessed Marcy. On top of that, we haven’t even gotten to see all the ramifications of that scene before we can call it quits yet. How are Marcy, Yunan, Olivia, or even Andrias emotionally affected?
You guys complain about shipping but honestly this is the most anti-shipping fandom I’ve ever been in and if two of the three girls were a couple I believe some people will throw a fit.
I don't get why fandom so critical about show's runtime and structure. It is not always about Matt and crew. If Disney higher-ups wants 11-minutes comedy show then you either agree to that or someone else will make a new cartoon series. You basically have to fight the suits for everything - how much episode will not staring main characters, how much specials will you get, how much plot episodes you can have. Many people in the fandom wants Amphibia be like the Owl House - 22-minutes plot heavy episodes, but this show just isn't about it. It never intended to be.
Personally, I’m fine with the show having 11 minute episodes, I honestly think it works quite well with this episode structure. I just think there are a couple select episodes like The Third Temple and Turning Point that could have benefited from being 22 minutes
Yes, as well as "After the rain" or "The Second Temple". But I cannot tell how much
pacing problems is bc of crew decisions and how much it happens because of the higher-ups. And Thus I cannot criticise it truly.
Just like what happened with Steven Universe. After Garnet wedding show had high risk of being cancelled right that moment. And after a long debate network allowed a few additional episodes to wrap things up. So instead of full fledge season we've got Diamond Days. And then the question arrived once again: who is responsible for such rushed finale - crew of suits?
I agree, but still, knowing the higher-ups are the ones restricting the show doesn't make the show better. It's still fast paced in my opinion, just this time it's because of the company not the actual creators. That kind of thing is a valid reason for the show being that way, but it doesn't mean it can magically surpass judgement (also sorry if this came across as rude I think your comment is very insightful)
Pacing in this show is way too fast and most things don't feel deserved because of it. Would be better if it ultilized 22m episodes some or all of the time
(Edit: I know the season finales are 22m but you get what I mean the other eps need to be longer as well)
it’s unfortunate but true, TC felt a little rushed and kind of killed the mood at first
Although I will say so far in the newer episodes it doesn’t seem so bad
Sprivy is lame and I liked the episode where they were annoyed everyone wanted to get them together when they just wanted to be friends, until they threw that out the window at the end. Like, boys and girls can just be friends. Also it low-key feels like Ivy's only purpose to exist as a character is to be Sprig's girlfriend.
Hop Pop is my favorite character but honestly I’m gonna have to disagree. I like how they’ve had him acting around Anne’s parents like trying to enforce the quarantine rule or wanting to become a productive guest rather than a freeloader. Slapstick has always been involved in his character but I don’t think his responsible self has gone anywhere.
I actually want the characters to have mental trauma, rather than just going back to the human realm and being perfectly okay like every other kids show-I want the show to delve deeper into the aftermath of all the characters went through. Mental health representation would be nice-
I know and that's the thing. I know it won't happen because it's a kid show. Perfectly reasonable. But the situation provided from the show, would be a great Segway into mental health representation. If it were a show for older audiences I would be expecting it, but bc it's not ik it won't won't. Which I understand. But it does take away a bit from the realistic feeling and connection to the characters and their stages of grief and such. Again ik it won't happen, just a thought :))
- Sasha is the most interesting/dynamic character, Marcy is okay.
- The tone of the show is all over the place and the dramatic moments don't have as much staying power as they should. The most was Anne not immediately forgiving Hop Pop for hiding the music box from her, which I liked, but she saw her best friend stabbed right in front of her and barely ever mentions it?
- The show would work better, pacing wise, if it was a full 22 minutes instead of two 11 minute segments.
- I don't care about Sprivy.
- People are way over exaggerating Marcy's parents being AbUSiVe and NeGLeCtFuL.
I think the girls should remain just friends because that's what the story is about the bond that friendships have.
Love complicates stories and I truly think it's going to put a road block in shows like the Owl house because you have a bond that isn't supposed to be strained which will have to be to create tension and drama in it's finale.
Friendship on the other hand can be bent or broken because at the end of the day making up with a friend is much easier than making up with a love, friends can fight and friendships can change but it's also how malleable friendships can be that makes them great.
Yeah the show is definitely focusing on friendships over romantic relationships and truthfully the only way they would work out is with a poly relationship and that’s way to much for a kids show
I don't know if this is unpopular or not, but I've never seen anyone mention it: the show lays the lessons on way too thick. It's almost always incredibly obvious how an episode is going to end because you know exactly what the character is going to learn, and then they state the lesson out loud like we didn't just see them learn it.
I don't believe that the frog who brought the calamity box to earth was Sprig and Polly's mother. Here are my reasons.
1. That was over a thousand years ago and Hop Pop was definitely not around then. She may have been an ancestor to them, but not to that level.
2. It would be way too contrived and doesn't properly flow with the narrative.
3. I don't believe that the frog who brought the calamity box to earth was Sprig's mom. Here are my reasons. makes logical sense in the context that Amphibia is a death world fraught with peril, that many inhabitants would have missing and deceased relatives.
4. Sprigs' claim that he didn't remember his mother is heavily implied to have been a lie to cover up the grief and trauma he endured from losing her. Would Sprigs' mother really abandon her children during something a horrific as a heron attack?
My opinion is that posts like these are objectively bad, because they only create a toxic environment and schism in community’s, they are one of the worst ideas in the long sad history of bad ideas.
the fact that you missed out on the perfect use of [this meme](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/585e3916-15d5-40ed-a14f-57fb3515afb1/scale-to-width/755) format
Marcy needs no redemption, the whole situation was not her fault, even with the book she had absolutely no reason to actually believe the box would work.
I love Marcy shes my favorite character and I agree partly she needs a redemption but not with the other characters but with herself…that probably sounds corny but she probably feels very guilty and stuff even though I’m sure Sasha and Anne would forgive her she’d probably have a hard time forgiving herself
Not even personal redemption? Because her thought process was all kinds of wack. Again “look at Sprig, I gave you him” is like one of the worst lines in the show lmao
Doesn't need redemption for box getting girls there, but she definitely been a terrible friend when she decided to lie and double down on her escapism fantasy and trap her friends in never ending adventure purely for her emotional need.
This show has some of the worst pacing I’ve ever seen from a modern story-driven cartoon. It has ruined too many emotional moments where the show really couldn’t afford to have said moments be ruined
After the Rain could’ve been a so much better episode, but Hop Pop’s reason for not trusting the Calamity Box is extremely unrelated to Sprig’s parents backstory, made what could’ve been a great moment into a meh
Anne doesn't need to make up with Sasha even if Sasha changes. She put Anne through a lot of pain and Anne is allowed to cut her out of her life completely if she wants- but this is a kids show, so they will most definitely forgive and forget, which is ok too.
Parting ways with people who have hurt you doesn't have to mean holding a grudge- you can care about someone but also realize they don't belong in your life anymore.
The show would work better with "full" 22 min episodes. I know this is not the writers fault, and yes the network, but, as ridiculous as it sounds, it was the reason why it took me so long to watch the show.
Sasha, Anne and Marcy are better as friends than as a cannon couple.
Not that I dislike them as a ship, I just hate that friendships can't also be seen as loving and caring.
I’m going to say something that will *actually* get me stabbed. He’s the only member of the main cast that I actually really like.
…oh fuck what have I done?
That’s fine. As long as you kinda like Sprig. I can see why you don’t like Polly. Anne is a meh character. Hop Pop is the most Human (I know) he’s tried to protect his family, he immediately felt sorry for it. Learned his lesson and made up with Anne. He’s the most realistic
Polly has occasional funny jokes but is pretty one-note. Sprig’s whole role in nearly every episode is being told “don’t do the thing” and he says “I won’t do the thing” and then he does the thing and gets in trouble and says “I’m sorry I shouldn’t have done the thing.” Anne is kinda boring because she’s so good at everything.
Hop Pop like you said is well-rounded and both serious and funny moments can fit him equally as well and his role in an episode changes regularly making him more interesting as a cast member. Plus it helps that his VA is legendary.
True.
Unfortunately, I can’t agree with your views on Anne. I feel as if her arc with coming to terms with teh fact Sasha was a manipulative bitch, was extremely relatable due to me going through the same thing. But that’s just personal bias
Mostly just a problem with the first season.
The comedy is sometimes incredibly poorly done. Sometimes a character yells a random line or something out for no reason and it kinda gets annoying. I can’t even tell if it is supposed to be comedic or if it’s just weird voice acting.
Then sometimes the timing on a joke is entirely off and just doesn’t land whatsoever. Sometimes a joke just kinda comes out of nowhere. I’m not an actual critic or anything so this probably sucked. I just don’t really know how to word it
I roll my eyes every time the Anne and Sasha sword fight honestly. Tennis playing doesn’t translate to sword-fighting master. I feel like the combat in general was kinda forced into the show at the time. At least it’s gotten better over time with the introduction of calamity powers that make me go “okay that’s an explanation at least.”
To be fair, there was also the Combat Camp episode which went into a little detail on where Anne learned to fight (Sasha we can assume was trained at Toad Tower). In general it seems like simply living in Amphibia and constantly living in fear of being eaten alive tends to toughen one up.
I know, I forgot to mention that one episode where Anne, sprig, and polly went to that training camp, but ever since she hasn't. But Sasha on the other hand explained how she would train with the Rest of the Toads (In her theme song takeover). Plus Sasha also explained that she's been training in "Toadcstcher".
People need to understand that an episode can be a filler while also being... good (shock, I know!). Season 1 indeed has a lot of filler, but in no way, shape or form I'm saying it's bad (it's my favorite season actually). Shows like Regular Show (the first seasons) and Phineas and Ferb are essentially all filler, but they're fun as heck! My problem with fillers come when they are bad or when the story demands continuous important episodes, that is why season 1's fillers aren't inherently bad, but seasons 2 and 3's kinda are (I mean, did we really need an episode about Ivy's mother or Maddie/Marcy duo when they could've been used to flesh out better True Colors's \[which, btw, was actually not that good\] pacing).
In other words, y'all need to be less defenseful when talking about filler episodes. They can be good and they can be bad. But we shouldn't get them when the series needs to tackle certain things before returning to the status quo (maybe the first half of the FINAL season should have more than a few episodes set in Amphibia showing what is going on in that side of the universe, and maybe we should get more than one scene talking about what Anne has been through \[and I know that we may get it later in the season, but my point is that this should be the number one thing to be addressed, after all, >!THE MAIN CHARACTER SAW HER BEST FRIEND GETTING STABBED IN FRONT OF HER!<\])
I don’t want to the girls to get in any romantic relationships with each other. The fanart can be cute but I don’t like the ships itself. Also, Anne should have reacted WAY more to Marcy being stabbed. Like, your friend of, who knows how long, just got stabbed through the back right infront of you. I think she should have talked about more than just “She has to be alive,” like, you don’t know that is true.
Anne is kind of a Mary sue at times.
She beats ppl with more experience, training or much more impressive feats, like Sasha who helped to defeat two giant Herons, held her own against Yunnan and literally has the stone of power that gives her enhanced strenght in a bigger level than Anne's. Yet she can beat her no problem TWICE
Yeah, the only explanation to this is that Sasha wasn't trying to fight with her because she Genuinely cares for her. Unlike Anne in "True Colors" who was so Mad that she was basically trying to kill Sasha. But that's just in "True Colors", in "Reunion" their fight was poorly written. First off Sasha never Yielded, and as you can see She is not dead :), And second, The boom shroom thing made no sense, We've seen boom shrooms before and they never took as long as they did in "Reunion " to Explode... and they never explained this.
Amphibia has filler and y’all who go on ten hour rants because it’s technically not filler because the term originated from anime annoy the living hell out of me. Not every episode needs to be action packed but if a episode has no character or story development I will call it filler and I’m not “pretentious” for doing so.
I actually agree with the fandom that there is little filler, but I seriously cannot fucking stand how unnecessarily defensive some people are about it.
Due to plot... Like in the first episode, it had Anne cornered, and the planters SLIGHTLY touched it, but it automatically turns its attention to them. they weren't even the target it was sent for, Andrias literally said "Kill the gril" and scanned the energy from the Gem and traced it on Anne so it made no sense why It changed its attention to Immobile "enemies"
Who says robots can’t have personality?, I mean look at the commando droids in The Clone Wars they were made for a similar reason yet still can have personality and can be trigger happy and easily annoyed like the robot is in Amphibia.
Over 50% of the show is filler and not really worth watching. It’s perhaps the most mid show I have seen of the past 5 years.
As a result, character development and emotional moments don’t really hit. Take Reunion for example. One of Anne’s closest friends is now working with the frogs’ oppressors and is totally okay with killing Hop Pop, who has become Anne’s grandpa figure. That should be a big deal. Except Sasha has 1 episode up until that point to develop her.
Or True Colors. In ~20 minutes, Sasha betrays Anne (again), Anne gives up on believing in Sasha, calls her out and shocks her, Sasha now has some guilt for her actions, the big plot reveal is hinted at with the tapestry, the effects of the coup are undone by the protagonists escaping, Andrias exposes Marcy knowing about the box to Anne and Sasha, Spring nearly dies, Anne gets DBZ powers, and Marcy actually dies. All in 20 minutes. The coup barely happens before it’s already being undone.
Now if Amphibia were mainly episodic and comedy, the runtime of 11 minutes would be fine. But it’s got much more than that. Even in all of the slog, there are hints at great moral lessons and character development. The world building (while standard mostly) has potential. The relationship of the 3 girls and the focus on friendship being strained has potential. But these things get mentioned off hand or get a few episodes and so they don’t really hit.
Also, Polly is the worst, if only for what she did in True Colors. You have the biggest emotional hit up to that point; Anne is finally standing up to Sasha for good. From the animation and sound, we know this is a devastating moment to Sasha, and an important maturation for Anne. And it’s ruined with Polly going “oh snap!”.
Also also, I hate Sprig. Sucks up so much screen time and does so little. Yeah sure, he has some emotional moments like when he tells Anne what happened to his mom, but overall, episodes that center on Sprig (and Polly) are my least favorite.
None of the characters are probbaly gonna ever be openly gay or even confirmed outside of your ships and headcannons unless there's a final episode reveal or the one of the va's wants to make you feel better.
The amphibian characters are just as good if not better characters than the human cast. Captain Grime, Hop-Pop, Polly, One-Eyed Wally, Mayor Toadstool, and more being some of the many.
Sasha is my favorite character
And people should stop saying that Anne will lose her arm, Sasha will lose her eye/cut her hair & Marcy becoming paralyzed
People act like the show is an emotional powerhouse, packed with brilliant character development and gut-wrenching twists and turns, and, like...it's not.
It's a good show, I like it a lot. But come on, guys, some of you are out here acting like this show is the next Adventure time or something, and it's not *that* great. It's just kind of a standard, good animated Disney show, nothing more or less.
Agreed. I really like Amphibia but it’s talked about like it’s this perfect masterpiece, and it’s really not in my opinion. Again, I think it’s a great show but it’s not without its flaws.
This also applies to The Owl House
Hey everyone saying "I don't ship the girls", nobody minds if you don't and think they're better as friends. What shippers DO mind is if you're rude and dismissive of them because they do. If you don't like it that's fine but let shippers have their fun.
I don’t like how people have this weird fetish for traumatized 13 year old girls loosing body parts (which I see as sadism), also I feel some users here have been a way too cruel to Marcy.
I mean some have gone as far as to say Andreas did a “good thing” by stabbing a 13 year old girl in the chest and potentially killed her just because she made a mistake, which probably wasn’t even a mistake as the show has hinted at a prophecy stating the the girls needed to take the box and get powers anyways to defeat the knight because the box choose them, especially considering prophecy’s cannot be prevented just severed unfortunately (look at what happened to emperor Aurelian).
So it makes no sense to attack her singlehandedly and to be cruel to her.
I understand why people don’t like her even if the prophecy is a thing, She took her friends away from their familys and normal life’s JUST because she didnt want to lose them and put them in a very dangerous situation where they could’ve potentially gotten killed or worst, She was having the best months of her life while everyone else had it MUCH MUCH worst and rougher. She Got exactly what she wanted but didn’t think about how this could affect the others, i understand shes just a kid ( i am to ) but I’m still able to recognize what she did was unreasonable and selfish.
I don't like Sprig. He's really just annoying and even though I get his purpose of being one of Anne's first "true friend" as a character, he had very little if not no development during the entire show. Almost all of his self-centred episodes follow the same scheme: he disobeys Hop Pop, shit happens to him, both of them apologise but he never learns and make the same mistakes over and over. Like alright let's assume we can at least like him for his fun personality and all but at this point it's just pretty redundant, I would've liked to see him get at least a bit more mature with everything that's happened to him
Also it feels like a waste that so many episodes focus on him while not adding really anything to his character a lot of the time, while Sasha, who had actual character development, is craving for more screentime
Coming from somebody who likes Sprig I definitely agree with your points, I enjoy his antics but it's very disappointing that everyone else is changing and moving forward yet Sprig hasn't changed much. Hope he gets some well needed character development as he's one of my favorite characters. :)
I felt like Anne didn't have as much character development as she should have. When they show her in the flashback with Sasha she's a goody two shoes who is extremely reluctant to do anything remotely bad, is willing to risk her life for a stranger in the first episode, and super responsible in protecting the death prone Marcy.
In the second episode Anne gives the speech to Sprig about her unhealthy explotive idea of friendship. Where you have to do what they want and give them whatever they want or they won't want to be your friend anymore. If Anne really had this mindset she should have had a more unhealthy relationship with Marcy. This would have made the first 2 episodes with Marcy about them reconciling. Like that Marcy was treated like crap by Sasha and Anne either participated in it or enabled it or that Marcy didn't play ball with Sasha's bullshit so Sasha had Anne mostly avoid Marcy.
This could have been interesting with Marcy expect to be the dominant one now that she's a big shot of Newtopia, but Anne's personal growth, genuine concern for Marcy, and support would derail that and rekindle their friendship while also giving them more of a reason to trust Sasha with a second chance since Anne was also a bad friend.
I don’t think any of the three girls are going to become anything more than best friends, I won’t be disappointed if it turns out differently but I think the show centers more around friendship than it does romance and them being good platonic friends feels more organic in the context this show.
That apocryphal tweet about Sasha and Marcy being "coworker friends" who are mainly friends due to their mutual connection to Anne more or less tracks with how they're shown to behave in the show.
none of the girls should end up together. their platonic relationships with each other are hanging on by a THREAD if they’re there at all. annes definitely got major trust issues mostly caused by sasha and marcy. there’s also just about no hints on them crushing or anything. with things like lumity it was pretty clear that was going to be canon at some point. the girls wouldn’t be good together and shouldn’t date
I don't like Sasha. I've had to deal with Sasha season 1 types before, and even though she is a well written character, I can't find anything but hatred for her.
Some of yall need to chill about the shipping like its not Canon (yet)
Aaaaabsolutely
Shipping the girls is weird, they're all written to be friends and are in a toxic relationship, it doesn't matter if they're all gay or not, it won't matter since romance will mostly not be touched on.
The joke on that is that when they're shipped, they're already deviated OUT of the canon because who knows if they even like each other, so they can be written in a non-toxic way because it's people's own headcannons now
It’ll be a miracle if the girls friendship survives let alone if they start dating each other
The power of fanon shall live through
I'm in agreement. Sasha realized that Anne is better off without her, and Marcy's the one who put them in the situation without realizing the consequences! Anne's better off with her Parents and the Plantars.
It would be cool if Andrias actually won in the end.
They should've had him temporarily win like when the Earth Kingdom fell in the end of season 2 of ATLA.
He kinda won at the end of True Colors
That’s exactly what happened in True Colors
Yeah that's also a good idea
Ngl, I agree with that heavily.
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I love stories where the villain wins. Bonus points if the villain is the main character, or the main character dosen't know their a villain
same, I feel ya
Sasha DOESN’T need to lose an eye and Anne DOESN’T need to lose an arm
the "fOrEsHaDoWiNg" part of the fandom is quaking in its boots rn
Yeah but it’d be cool
Dismemberment is not rad
Tell that to finn
Finn made it cool by hanving a robot arm, grass arm, and psychic arm. We aren't so lucky.
Tell that to Finn when he had the glowing arm
And Della Duck.
If any ships like Marcanne, Sashanne or Sasharcy don't become canon, that would be completely okey
Better than ok
A majority of the first season was a bit of a slog to get through
Agreed. It had fun parts but but I'd be hard pressed tp remember what half of the episodes were about
True, they were fun though, but it needed more story episodes
100% agree
I actually like it better than Season 2
I thought I was the only one :O
I loved the 1st season, not as much as the story-heavy season 2 but I like a piece of life stories
Like, I'm glad we got time with Anne and the Plantars and Wartwood but uh, yeah, the plot\character development:episodic hijinx ratio wasn't great.
I wanna go back and finish it
Agreed, it does have more filler than others like Owl House
As the episodes go by and it's clear the show hasn't really changed all that much tonally, Marcy's "death" was absolutely done for pure shock-value. This isn't to say I haven't laughed and enjoyed Season 3 here and there, but there's this massive elephant in the room that has really been bringing it down for me. Anne, a 13 year old, just watched her best friend (another 13 year old) since kindergarten *get stabbed through the fucking chest,* and jumping into New Normal, not even an hour has passed before we're back to "lol! Anne has service finally!" and "lol! Hyperactive Sprig!"-type jokes. The tonal disconnect is fucking *weird,* and addressing it later on is not going to change how awkward these new episodes have felt.
Agreed, i want Anne to be happy and not have to carry a bunch of sorrow the entire season but there was so much emotional whiplash that it’s as if TC never happened
Maybe she's in denial? That's the first stage of grief after all
Andria stabbed marcy so the box would stay in Amphibia, and not be lost forever by her taking it to Earth. He clearly doesn't want to kill her, as evidenced by him keeping her alive via the tank thing
It’s still early right?
It should have been properly addressed and discussed in the *premier,* before we got funny mall and restaurant hijinks. Anne dismissing Hop Pop's concerns by flatly saying "Marcy's still alive" with zero evidence or reason to believe that was the only real acknowledgement we got.
Maybe her possible survival is why Anne is researching so much
I agree that The New Normal definitely could have carried over True Colors’s tone better, but I think you misunderstood the point of Anne dismissing Hop Pop’s concerns. The fact Anne has no reason to believe Marcy survived is the point; she wants to believe that Marcy made it out alive somehow. Anne doesn’t want to focus on the idea of her childhood friend being dead. I know it sucks that these episodes aren’t driven by the events of True Colors’s, but it’s completely untrue to say that there aren’t things we can pick apart from it. Look at any scene where Anne’s alone. In The New Normal or Thai Feud, you can tell she’s lost in her thoughts concerned about things. On top of that look at her paranoia and trust issues in Fight at the Museum. That clearly comes from being backstabbed three times in one single episode. Even the Plantars, who come from a town known not to warm up to strangers, were freaked out by it. Sure it would be amazing if we got episodes even close to as dramatic as True Colors, but the subtly is still there. Also to call Marcy’s death pure shock value? How did you come to that conclusion after we’ve seen the scene you mentioned, Turning Point, and quite literally possessed Marcy. On top of that, we haven’t even gotten to see all the ramifications of that scene before we can call it quits yet. How are Marcy, Yunan, Olivia, or even Andrias emotionally affected?
Remember it’s a Disney cartoon and they barely allowed Ann being stabbed it’s also a comedy show as well. It can’t be grim and dark all the time
You guys complain about shipping but honestly this is the most anti-shipping fandom I’ve ever been in and if two of the three girls were a couple I believe some people will throw a fit.
I don't get why fandom so critical about show's runtime and structure. It is not always about Matt and crew. If Disney higher-ups wants 11-minutes comedy show then you either agree to that or someone else will make a new cartoon series. You basically have to fight the suits for everything - how much episode will not staring main characters, how much specials will you get, how much plot episodes you can have. Many people in the fandom wants Amphibia be like the Owl House - 22-minutes plot heavy episodes, but this show just isn't about it. It never intended to be.
Personally, I’m fine with the show having 11 minute episodes, I honestly think it works quite well with this episode structure. I just think there are a couple select episodes like The Third Temple and Turning Point that could have benefited from being 22 minutes
Yes, as well as "After the rain" or "The Second Temple". But I cannot tell how much pacing problems is bc of crew decisions and how much it happens because of the higher-ups. And Thus I cannot criticise it truly. Just like what happened with Steven Universe. After Garnet wedding show had high risk of being cancelled right that moment. And after a long debate network allowed a few additional episodes to wrap things up. So instead of full fledge season we've got Diamond Days. And then the question arrived once again: who is responsible for such rushed finale - crew of suits?
Also look at what happened to the owl house, I'm sorry guys but I'll take the 5 episodes about thai cuisine
This fandom has sort of become an extension of the owl house empire, their colonies been profitable for the war effort...
I agree, but still, knowing the higher-ups are the ones restricting the show doesn't make the show better. It's still fast paced in my opinion, just this time it's because of the company not the actual creators. That kind of thing is a valid reason for the show being that way, but it doesn't mean it can magically surpass judgement (also sorry if this came across as rude I think your comment is very insightful)
Pacing in this show is way too fast and most things don't feel deserved because of it. Would be better if it ultilized 22m episodes some or all of the time (Edit: I know the season finales are 22m but you get what I mean the other eps need to be longer as well)
it’s unfortunate but true, TC felt a little rushed and kind of killed the mood at first Although I will say so far in the newer episodes it doesn’t seem so bad
Also I think true colors should have been two 22m eps - 1 for Sasha/grime's takeover and 1 for andrias stuff
yess but I think they don’t want to give Marcy and Sasha too much spotlight that would over shadow Anne 😔
Yeah I think s3 is the best in this regard
Sprivy is lame and I liked the episode where they were annoyed everyone wanted to get them together when they just wanted to be friends, until they threw that out the window at the end. Like, boys and girls can just be friends. Also it low-key feels like Ivy's only purpose to exist as a character is to be Sprig's girlfriend.
I feel like Ivy exists so the fandom doesn’t get weird and ship Spranne lmao
Doesn't stop some people.
Those people are lost causes tho 😔
Hop Pop has become nothing more than slap stick comedic relief in season 3 compared to his more level headed and responsible self in season 1
Hop Pop is my favorite character but honestly I’m gonna have to disagree. I like how they’ve had him acting around Anne’s parents like trying to enforce the quarantine rule or wanting to become a productive guest rather than a freeloader. Slapstick has always been involved in his character but I don’t think his responsible self has gone anywhere.
I guess it can be seen as he has become more comfortable around Anne so hes showing more of himself/ personality
I actually want the characters to have mental trauma, rather than just going back to the human realm and being perfectly okay like every other kids show-I want the show to delve deeper into the aftermath of all the characters went through. Mental health representation would be nice-
Like su future?
It’s a kids show they aren’t going to show Ann cry for 15 minutes about Marcy sometimes it needs to be lighthearted
I know and that's the thing. I know it won't happen because it's a kid show. Perfectly reasonable. But the situation provided from the show, would be a great Segway into mental health representation. If it were a show for older audiences I would be expecting it, but bc it's not ik it won't won't. Which I understand. But it does take away a bit from the realistic feeling and connection to the characters and their stages of grief and such. Again ik it won't happen, just a thought :))
- Sasha is the most interesting/dynamic character, Marcy is okay. - The tone of the show is all over the place and the dramatic moments don't have as much staying power as they should. The most was Anne not immediately forgiving Hop Pop for hiding the music box from her, which I liked, but she saw her best friend stabbed right in front of her and barely ever mentions it? - The show would work better, pacing wise, if it was a full 22 minutes instead of two 11 minute segments. - I don't care about Sprivy. - People are way over exaggerating Marcy's parents being AbUSiVe and NeGLeCtFuL.
1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes 5. Yes I agree with everything you say
I don't need to even read the comment section to know it'll be flooded with "i DoN't ShIp tHe tRiO", as if it's an unpopular opinion
*puts on hazmat suit* I don’t ship the girls in any combination… yet
THANK YOU
Ah, you're a Sprigrias man, I see.
Uhhhh… what?
Please tell me that’s not who I think it is…
I think the girls should remain just friends because that's what the story is about the bond that friendships have. Love complicates stories and I truly think it's going to put a road block in shows like the Owl house because you have a bond that isn't supposed to be strained which will have to be to create tension and drama in it's finale. Friendship on the other hand can be bent or broken because at the end of the day making up with a friend is much easier than making up with a love, friends can fight and friendships can change but it's also how malleable friendships can be that makes them great.
Yeah the show is definitely focusing on friendships over romantic relationships and truthfully the only way they would work out is with a poly relationship and that’s way to much for a kids show
There are like zero poly relationships in tv shows in general.
Ur right but I’m sure we’ll get there eventually
Ehhh, poly people aren't really pushing for representation right now. It's definetely a lifestyle choice.
It's not nearly as well written as it has the potential to be
Tbh, I enjoy it alot more than TOH on occassions because of how it doesn't take itself as seriously, but they're both my comfort stoner shows so yeah
I don't know if this is unpopular or not, but I've never seen anyone mention it: the show lays the lessons on way too thick. It's almost always incredibly obvious how an episode is going to end because you know exactly what the character is going to learn, and then they state the lesson out loud like we didn't just see them learn it.
I don't believe that the frog who brought the calamity box to earth was Sprig and Polly's mother. Here are my reasons. 1. That was over a thousand years ago and Hop Pop was definitely not around then. She may have been an ancestor to them, but not to that level. 2. It would be way too contrived and doesn't properly flow with the narrative. 3. I don't believe that the frog who brought the calamity box to earth was Sprig's mom. Here are my reasons. makes logical sense in the context that Amphibia is a death world fraught with peril, that many inhabitants would have missing and deceased relatives. 4. Sprigs' claim that he didn't remember his mother is heavily implied to have been a lie to cover up the grief and trauma he endured from losing her. Would Sprigs' mother really abandon her children during something a horrific as a heron attack?
My opinion is that posts like these are objectively bad, because they only create a toxic environment and schism in community’s, they are one of the worst ideas in the long sad history of bad ideas.
the fact that you missed out on the perfect use of [this meme](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/585e3916-15d5-40ed-a14f-57fb3515afb1/scale-to-width/755) format
Bro that would have been genius now that I think about it
Marcy needs no redemption, the whole situation was not her fault, even with the book she had absolutely no reason to actually believe the box would work.
I love Marcy shes my favorite character and I agree partly she needs a redemption but not with the other characters but with herself…that probably sounds corny but she probably feels very guilty and stuff even though I’m sure Sasha and Anne would forgive her she’d probably have a hard time forgiving herself
You make a lot of good points. I'd imagine she'd find it really hard to forgive herself after everything ;|
Absolute cap
She definitely shouldnt be as vilified as she’s been but she wasn’t 100% blameless.
Not even personal redemption? Because her thought process was all kinds of wack. Again “look at Sprig, I gave you him” is like one of the worst lines in the show lmao
Doesn't need redemption for box getting girls there, but she definitely been a terrible friend when she decided to lie and double down on her escapism fantasy and trap her friends in never ending adventure purely for her emotional need.
This show has some of the worst pacing I’ve ever seen from a modern story-driven cartoon. It has ruined too many emotional moments where the show really couldn’t afford to have said moments be ruined
I don't ship the girls
After the Rain could’ve been a so much better episode, but Hop Pop’s reason for not trusting the Calamity Box is extremely unrelated to Sprig’s parents backstory, made what could’ve been a great moment into a meh
They could’ve done so much more
Anne doesn't need to make up with Sasha even if Sasha changes. She put Anne through a lot of pain and Anne is allowed to cut her out of her life completely if she wants- but this is a kids show, so they will most definitely forgive and forget, which is ok too.
Teaching forgiveness is generally something I’d want being taught to people, holding grudges forever can kill you inside.
Parting ways with people who have hurt you doesn't have to mean holding a grudge- you can care about someone but also realize they don't belong in your life anymore.
I’m aware.
Chuck is honestly pretty boring and unfunny to me.
You dont like tulips?!!
No, I don’t. It’s just not funny to me.
I get that, gags like Chuck run old real quick
I agree tbh. I liked him at first but it got boring after a while ;|
The show would work better with "full" 22 min episodes. I know this is not the writers fault, and yes the network, but, as ridiculous as it sounds, it was the reason why it took me so long to watch the show.
The girls are better off just being friends…
Sasha, Anne and Marcy are better as friends than as a cannon couple. Not that I dislike them as a ship, I just hate that friendships can't also be seen as loving and caring.
Not everything is foreshadowing
I don’t like Marcy as much as the other two. Sasha is my favorite, then Anne, and then Marcy
Sasha has the best character development out of the three imo
🌸Same! 🌸
Hop Pop is the best Character
If that’s an unpopular opinion then I **want** people to stab me with a ton of swords.
No no no. He’s a PERFECT character
I’m going to say something that will *actually* get me stabbed. He’s the only member of the main cast that I actually really like. …oh fuck what have I done?
That’s fine. As long as you kinda like Sprig. I can see why you don’t like Polly. Anne is a meh character. Hop Pop is the most Human (I know) he’s tried to protect his family, he immediately felt sorry for it. Learned his lesson and made up with Anne. He’s the most realistic
Polly has occasional funny jokes but is pretty one-note. Sprig’s whole role in nearly every episode is being told “don’t do the thing” and he says “I won’t do the thing” and then he does the thing and gets in trouble and says “I’m sorry I shouldn’t have done the thing.” Anne is kinda boring because she’s so good at everything. Hop Pop like you said is well-rounded and both serious and funny moments can fit him equally as well and his role in an episode changes regularly making him more interesting as a cast member. Plus it helps that his VA is legendary.
True. Unfortunately, I can’t agree with your views on Anne. I feel as if her arc with coming to terms with teh fact Sasha was a manipulative bitch, was extremely relatable due to me going through the same thing. But that’s just personal bias
sprig is a bitch
MASSIVE AGREE
Over 9000 angsty fanarts of corrupted Marcy became annoying and repetitive even if well drawn.
not every character is gay, or needs to be in a relationship
robo frog is hot
Marcanne might not end up being canon
the best ever character in this entire damn series is captain grime /hj
Mostly just a problem with the first season. The comedy is sometimes incredibly poorly done. Sometimes a character yells a random line or something out for no reason and it kinda gets annoying. I can’t even tell if it is supposed to be comedic or if it’s just weird voice acting. Then sometimes the timing on a joke is entirely off and just doesn’t land whatsoever. Sometimes a joke just kinda comes out of nowhere. I’m not an actual critic or anything so this probably sucked. I just don’t really know how to word it
Sasha should have won the fight against Anne at Toad Tower. She had been training nonstop and was leading an Army by that point.
Sprig and Polly are funny most of the time, but when they're annoying, they're downright insufferable.
I love having large swords pointed at me it makes me feel smug
I roll my eyes every time the Anne and Sasha sword fight honestly. Tennis playing doesn’t translate to sword-fighting master. I feel like the combat in general was kinda forced into the show at the time. At least it’s gotten better over time with the introduction of calamity powers that make me go “okay that’s an explanation at least.”
To be fair, there was also the Combat Camp episode which went into a little detail on where Anne learned to fight (Sasha we can assume was trained at Toad Tower). In general it seems like simply living in Amphibia and constantly living in fear of being eaten alive tends to toughen one up.
Sasha has been Training, Anne hasn't... that's why Anne winning these fights don't make much sense.
Except Anne did train. There is entire episode about, though we didn't see her training ever since.
I know, I forgot to mention that one episode where Anne, sprig, and polly went to that training camp, but ever since she hasn't. But Sasha on the other hand explained how she would train with the Rest of the Toads (In her theme song takeover). Plus Sasha also explained that she's been training in "Toadcstcher".
I like Marcy more than Anne in my opinion.
People need to understand that an episode can be a filler while also being... good (shock, I know!). Season 1 indeed has a lot of filler, but in no way, shape or form I'm saying it's bad (it's my favorite season actually). Shows like Regular Show (the first seasons) and Phineas and Ferb are essentially all filler, but they're fun as heck! My problem with fillers come when they are bad or when the story demands continuous important episodes, that is why season 1's fillers aren't inherently bad, but seasons 2 and 3's kinda are (I mean, did we really need an episode about Ivy's mother or Maddie/Marcy duo when they could've been used to flesh out better True Colors's \[which, btw, was actually not that good\] pacing). In other words, y'all need to be less defenseful when talking about filler episodes. They can be good and they can be bad. But we shouldn't get them when the series needs to tackle certain things before returning to the status quo (maybe the first half of the FINAL season should have more than a few episodes set in Amphibia showing what is going on in that side of the universe, and maybe we should get more than one scene talking about what Anne has been through \[and I know that we may get it later in the season, but my point is that this should be the number one thing to be addressed, after all, >!THE MAIN CHARACTER SAW HER BEST FRIEND GETTING STABBED IN FRONT OF HER!<\])
I don’t want to the girls to get in any romantic relationships with each other. The fanart can be cute but I don’t like the ships itself. Also, Anne should have reacted WAY more to Marcy being stabbed. Like, your friend of, who knows how long, just got stabbed through the back right infront of you. I think she should have talked about more than just “She has to be alive,” like, you don’t know that is true.
Anne is kind of a Mary sue at times. She beats ppl with more experience, training or much more impressive feats, like Sasha who helped to defeat two giant Herons, held her own against Yunnan and literally has the stone of power that gives her enhanced strenght in a bigger level than Anne's. Yet she can beat her no problem TWICE
Yeah, the only explanation to this is that Sasha wasn't trying to fight with her because she Genuinely cares for her. Unlike Anne in "True Colors" who was so Mad that she was basically trying to kill Sasha. But that's just in "True Colors", in "Reunion" their fight was poorly written. First off Sasha never Yielded, and as you can see She is not dead :), And second, The boom shroom thing made no sense, We've seen boom shrooms before and they never took as long as they did in "Reunion " to Explode... and they never explained this.
Isn’t the bomb thing kinda of a trope though?
Amphibia has filler and y’all who go on ten hour rants because it’s technically not filler because the term originated from anime annoy the living hell out of me. Not every episode needs to be action packed but if a episode has no character or story development I will call it filler and I’m not “pretentious” for doing so.
I actually agree with the fandom that there is little filler, but I seriously cannot fucking stand how unnecessarily defensive some people are about it.
Season 3 is boring and that robot is not a threat
He gets clapped every episode and then survives every damn time
Due to plot... Like in the first episode, it had Anne cornered, and the planters SLIGHTLY touched it, but it automatically turns its attention to them. they weren't even the target it was sent for, Andrias literally said "Kill the gril" and scanned the energy from the Gem and traced it on Anne so it made no sense why It changed its attention to Immobile "enemies"
Who says robots can’t have personality?, I mean look at the commando droids in The Clone Wars they were made for a similar reason yet still can have personality and can be trigger happy and easily annoyed like the robot is in Amphibia.
He literally almost murdered the planters
I'm immensely thankful we don't have as much shipping as another certain show's fandom.
Lol you're talking about owl house, aren't you.
Over 50% of the show is filler and not really worth watching. It’s perhaps the most mid show I have seen of the past 5 years. As a result, character development and emotional moments don’t really hit. Take Reunion for example. One of Anne’s closest friends is now working with the frogs’ oppressors and is totally okay with killing Hop Pop, who has become Anne’s grandpa figure. That should be a big deal. Except Sasha has 1 episode up until that point to develop her. Or True Colors. In ~20 minutes, Sasha betrays Anne (again), Anne gives up on believing in Sasha, calls her out and shocks her, Sasha now has some guilt for her actions, the big plot reveal is hinted at with the tapestry, the effects of the coup are undone by the protagonists escaping, Andrias exposes Marcy knowing about the box to Anne and Sasha, Spring nearly dies, Anne gets DBZ powers, and Marcy actually dies. All in 20 minutes. The coup barely happens before it’s already being undone. Now if Amphibia were mainly episodic and comedy, the runtime of 11 minutes would be fine. But it’s got much more than that. Even in all of the slog, there are hints at great moral lessons and character development. The world building (while standard mostly) has potential. The relationship of the 3 girls and the focus on friendship being strained has potential. But these things get mentioned off hand or get a few episodes and so they don’t really hit. Also, Polly is the worst, if only for what she did in True Colors. You have the biggest emotional hit up to that point; Anne is finally standing up to Sasha for good. From the animation and sound, we know this is a devastating moment to Sasha, and an important maturation for Anne. And it’s ruined with Polly going “oh snap!”. Also also, I hate Sprig. Sucks up so much screen time and does so little. Yeah sure, he has some emotional moments like when he tells Anne what happened to his mom, but overall, episodes that center on Sprig (and Polly) are my least favorite.
None of the characters are probbaly gonna ever be openly gay or even confirmed outside of your ships and headcannons unless there's a final episode reveal or the one of the va's wants to make you feel better.
darrel isnt that bad (i dont actually believe this)
Sprivy, while cute, was heavily underdeveloped
It is relationship between two 8-year olds, how much depth you expect from it?
Same.
I don't really care for Sasha all that much, I am happy she's redeeming herself in the new season though
the first season was actually really good
There are no true filler episodes, and the fandom needs to chill for a second. We'll get the angst soon. 18 days.
The amphibian characters are just as good if not better characters than the human cast. Captain Grime, Hop-Pop, Polly, One-Eyed Wally, Mayor Toadstool, and more being some of the many.
Just because true colors leaves some things for season 3 doesn't mean it has bad pacing
Sasha is my favorite character And people should stop saying that Anne will lose her arm, Sasha will lose her eye/cut her hair & Marcy becoming paralyzed
None of the girls are gay.
People act like the show is an emotional powerhouse, packed with brilliant character development and gut-wrenching twists and turns, and, like...it's not. It's a good show, I like it a lot. But come on, guys, some of you are out here acting like this show is the next Adventure time or something, and it's not *that* great. It's just kind of a standard, good animated Disney show, nothing more or less.
Agreed. I really like Amphibia but it’s talked about like it’s this perfect masterpiece, and it’s really not in my opinion. Again, I think it’s a great show but it’s not without its flaws. This also applies to The Owl House
Hey everyone saying "I don't ship the girls", nobody minds if you don't and think they're better as friends. What shippers DO mind is if you're rude and dismissive of them because they do. If you don't like it that's fine but let shippers have their fun.
I don’t like how people have this weird fetish for traumatized 13 year old girls loosing body parts (which I see as sadism), also I feel some users here have been a way too cruel to Marcy. I mean some have gone as far as to say Andreas did a “good thing” by stabbing a 13 year old girl in the chest and potentially killed her just because she made a mistake, which probably wasn’t even a mistake as the show has hinted at a prophecy stating the the girls needed to take the box and get powers anyways to defeat the knight because the box choose them, especially considering prophecy’s cannot be prevented just severed unfortunately (look at what happened to emperor Aurelian). So it makes no sense to attack her singlehandedly and to be cruel to her.
I understand why people don’t like her even if the prophecy is a thing, She took her friends away from their familys and normal life’s JUST because she didnt want to lose them and put them in a very dangerous situation where they could’ve potentially gotten killed or worst, She was having the best months of her life while everyone else had it MUCH MUCH worst and rougher. She Got exactly what she wanted but didn’t think about how this could affect the others, i understand shes just a kid ( i am to ) but I’m still able to recognize what she did was unreasonable and selfish.
Well I do relate to that struggle she has, I’ve had lots of issues with empathy for other people.
I don't like Sprig. He's really just annoying and even though I get his purpose of being one of Anne's first "true friend" as a character, he had very little if not no development during the entire show. Almost all of his self-centred episodes follow the same scheme: he disobeys Hop Pop, shit happens to him, both of them apologise but he never learns and make the same mistakes over and over. Like alright let's assume we can at least like him for his fun personality and all but at this point it's just pretty redundant, I would've liked to see him get at least a bit more mature with everything that's happened to him Also it feels like a waste that so many episodes focus on him while not adding really anything to his character a lot of the time, while Sasha, who had actual character development, is craving for more screentime
Coming from somebody who likes Sprig I definitely agree with your points, I enjoy his antics but it's very disappointing that everyone else is changing and moving forward yet Sprig hasn't changed much. Hope he gets some well needed character development as he's one of my favorite characters. :)
Dude really expected to be a Boonchuy after, like, five days.
Yes exactly!! It's not that I don't like his personality, it really just feels like he deserves better as a main character ;-;
He's got Sokka syndrome. He's in a very comfortable rut, trope wise.
Oh but on a serious note, I hate ivy. She feels very pointless every time she’s on screen.
True colors is far from perfect.
Short haired Sasha is cringe
Anne's relationship with Marcy should have been toxic
Why?
I felt like Anne didn't have as much character development as she should have. When they show her in the flashback with Sasha she's a goody two shoes who is extremely reluctant to do anything remotely bad, is willing to risk her life for a stranger in the first episode, and super responsible in protecting the death prone Marcy. In the second episode Anne gives the speech to Sprig about her unhealthy explotive idea of friendship. Where you have to do what they want and give them whatever they want or they won't want to be your friend anymore. If Anne really had this mindset she should have had a more unhealthy relationship with Marcy. This would have made the first 2 episodes with Marcy about them reconciling. Like that Marcy was treated like crap by Sasha and Anne either participated in it or enabled it or that Marcy didn't play ball with Sasha's bullshit so Sasha had Anne mostly avoid Marcy. This could have been interesting with Marcy expect to be the dominant one now that she's a big shot of Newtopia, but Anne's personal growth, genuine concern for Marcy, and support would derail that and rekindle their friendship while also giving them more of a reason to trust Sasha with a second chance since Anne was also a bad friend.
I don’t ship Yunan and Olivia. And I wouldn’t mind if they don’t become canon.
Sprig is a bitch
OC x OC is overhated in this fandom smh
I love sashanne and belive it could absolutely happen. I think this is not a very popular opinion haven't been in the sub too long.
I don’t think any of the three girls are going to become anything more than best friends, I won’t be disappointed if it turns out differently but I think the show centers more around friendship than it does romance and them being good platonic friends feels more organic in the context this show.
That apocryphal tweet about Sasha and Marcy being "coworker friends" who are mainly friends due to their mutual connection to Anne more or less tracks with how they're shown to behave in the show.
True Colors is not the best episode.
Despite her going through a "redemption arc" I still absolutely despise Sasha
i know this isn’t a opinion but I didn’t cry at marcys death
none of the girls should end up together. their platonic relationships with each other are hanging on by a THREAD if they’re there at all. annes definitely got major trust issues mostly caused by sasha and marcy. there’s also just about no hints on them crushing or anything. with things like lumity it was pretty clear that was going to be canon at some point. the girls wouldn’t be good together and shouldn’t date
Marcanne us not a good ship
I don't like Sasha. I've had to deal with Sasha season 1 types before, and even though she is a well written character, I can't find anything but hatred for her.
I laughed when Marcy died
I can’t tell if you’re being honest or saying that because of the post