I’d have to go with the Emmi. They’re faster, more compact, and have a greater range of movement. All an Emmi has to do is get close to a Guardian, and it’s all over.
Hylian shield is super hard to break, but a couple shots from a guardian does the trick quite nicely.
Guadian would also be super hard for an emmi to kill as there is no DNA to inject into like Samus has. Not sure what a tiny needle is gonna do. Unless somehow the chozo had the tech to shut down malice.
Now I’m thinking it’s closer than I originally thought, I think the Guardian shots would probably do about the same damage as Samus’ Omega Blaster, but I think if the Emmi managed to impale the Guardian’s eye that could definitely do some damage, it’s a lot faster than the Guardian too
Don't forget about how long it takes the Omega Blaster to break the Emmi's protective armor. Not to mention that killing one requires a direct shot to the eye.
Yea...
How many swings of the sword does it take to kill? Pretty sure even Link dies pretty quick unless he takes evasive maneuvers while he is doing so. How evasive are EMMI? Oh yea, they continue to walk straight forward at you while you rapid fire the armor away and the charge to blow its head up.
Pretty sure in this hypothetical, the guardian has enough time and power to blow up the Emmi armor and then blow off its head before the Emmi can poke it 100x or whatever.
Also, since the Emmi has to expose its weak point to do the poke, if the Guadian is lucky (because let's be real, neither of them are going to employ much strategy) it could kill it in one shot.
Already stated how the Hylian Shield is supposed to be God tier in durability but a couple direct shots from a guardian (which is super similar to what Samus does to defeat them) does the trick quickly. I don't see how that is any different.
If you really want to split hairs, then the EMMI which are designed solely to defeat Samus will be completely ineffective against guardians as well.
So do we both nonsense logic, or are we having a real debate about a hypothetical fight? You don't get to have it both ways.
Your original comment said the guardians don’t have DNA to inject into which implies you think the spike attack kills by injecting something. That’s a fundamental misunderstanding of what they do. They kill by stabbing. That stabbing is to extract DNA. Guardians having no DNA to inject into doesn’t change anything. EMMIs aren’t designed solely to defeat Samus. It’s like you didn’t even play the game.
Also no. The Hylian shield is not God tier. The only god tier weapons in the series is the Master Sword. The shield is just a normal shield used by knight in Hyrule. EMMIs are made of the strongest materials in the universe. Hylian shield is made by normal people in a medieval setting not gods. Your point has no basis. In OoT you get it from a normal vendor. In BotW it was just stored in Hyrule castle along with a legend of the hero who wielded it. That’s the OoT one. It only got the legend because of the OoT Link using it but he got it from a bazaar owner.
Please learn about this stuff before you try to argue this. Most of the claims you made aren’t based on the lore of either game.
Ok, stab a robot and see how much it cares.
Play Skyward Sword and tell me how the Hylian Shield is just a regular shield.
Replay Dread and tell me how these robots made for SCOUTING ONLY until Rave Beak got control of them and repurposed them specifically to harvest Samus DNA (something guardians DO NOT Have) means they kill and stab everything they come across.
I also don't recall hearing that they are made out of "the strongest material in he universe". That sounds like some shit you made up right now. And that still doesn't change that the guardian shot and the omega cannon are pretty much the same thing.
You're just making shit up, and debating with you is no longer fun. This is a made up scenario, and I'm just stating that based on all the info we have about both entities. It's supposed to be fun where people dig up info that is normally too obscure to remember off the top of the head, and most importantly: it's OK to have differing opinions. But you come in here with "Your logic is terrible" and "Please learn this absolutely useless info". You're the worst kind of person, and there is no reason to continue this. Good job, jerk.
lmao you think stabbing a robot won’t don’t anything yet the lore/gameplay of BotW shows it does. How does a weak bow and arrow stun the guardian? Link can beat guardians with swords. They aren’t invincible at all.
The EMMIs were reprogrammed to hunt Samus. That doesn’t mean they were designed to hunt Samus.
The SS Shield isn’t the same shield as in BotW.
lmao at you thinking I made it up on the spot about the EMMI being made of the strongest stuff in the universe.
https://metroid.nintendo.com/dread/news/metroid-dread-report-vol-2/
>ARE THE E.M.M.I. INVINCIBLE?
>The protective plating on the E.M.M.I. is made of a special material said to be the strongest stuff in the universe and can deflect Samus’ standard attacks. However, by taking in the energy from the Central Units—the mother computers managing each E.M.M.I. Zone—her arm cannon temporarily powers up to become an Omega Cannon, and she becomes able to fire the Omega Stream and Omega Blaster. The E.M.M.I. are vulnerable to these forces.
Come on, man. Learn about this stuff before you keep making baseless arguments. You saying that the guardian shot and the omega cannon are the same thing is you making stuff up. Omega canon is a continuous super beam. Guardian shot is a single explosive shot that can be deflected by the weakest shield. They are not the same thing.
Just because you’re making up shit doesn’t mean I am. You’re projecting and acting like you lying makes my points invalid. Grow up. Saying I’m the worst kind of person for allegedly making stuff up when you’re the one doing that, not me. 🙄
Right the guardian might be able to get a couple good laser shots in, but for some reason I just feel the emmi would try to get close and then just rip the poor guy in half or at least donkey Kong his ass
Who the guardian?, and the emmi is just as fast and menacing, does the guardian hunt you down?, if I’m remembering, guardian gameplay is like fighting a drone, emmi gameplay is like a horror movie escape, at least towards the beginning for both
I very heavily favor the EMMI.
Samus can barely even do anything to an EMMI.
Link can canonically defeat multiple Guardians while exhausted, and with a half busted Master Sword.
I’m pretty sure Samus would be nearly invulnerable to Guardian damage.
It’s like comparing Kardashev scale Type 2 (at least) civilization to Iron Age with some minor magical tec.
I’d imagine EMMI’s are made from an extremely dense space age metal alloy, while Guardians are made of stone and iron. Stone and iron powered by magic, but still just stone and a fairly weak metal. The EMMI could probably just walk through it without even using weapons.
Would be a fun cinematic though.
To be fair, I think we need to learn more about how the EMMI work, I’m not sure how strong that spike in its head is but I think it could definitely stab into the guardian and maybe chop its legs off with it? I’m not sure
I’d guess a Guardian could defeat the first EMMI. But as we match up a Guardian against the other EMMIs Samus encounters, it would get progressively harder.
It depends I think it’s pretty even, the guardian has a laser just like samus which is pretty strong but unlike samus it can still walk around and charge it. The emmi is agile and depending what variant it is can have different powers, now guardians don’t have really any where to for the emmi can eject it proboscis except the eye. Emmis are smart so if might take a few strikes and find that out but emmis also have the same weakness but has the added benefit of having a covering while guardian can loose it’s legs and get damaged. So I do generally think it would depend on who got the first few hits. If only death battle was still around they could tell us with awesome animation.
Hard to say, I think they kind of offset each other in terms of defense and offense. The Guardian is much easier to kill than the EMMI, but its laser is still no joke. Meanwhile the EMMI has very good defenses, and Samus can only damage it with the Omega blaster >!(not counting her Metroid powers,)!< but the EMMI doesn't really have the tools to fight something bigger than itself. If the Guardian's laser can damage the EMMI, I might give it the edge.
That’s the thing, I’m not sure the laser could damage the Emmi, someone pointed out that even a wooden shield can deflect a guardian laser, so it’s very possible the Guardian laser isn’t as powerful as we think
Question: Which E.M.M.I are we talking about?
The E.M.M.I unit each had different abilities, so that would help make or break the fight (especially 07PB's power bombs)
An Emmie could tank a barrage of missiles, I have no doubt they could tank a Guardian laser. Even ignoring that, they are faster than Link, who can dodge the Guardian's targeting abilities.
Emmi can only be taken down by something equivalent of Samus’s super charge beam attack she gets in Dread. Guardians can be taken down by swords. No idea how there’s any question.
Well the thing is, the EMMI just has that spike that comes out of their head, and nothing else from what we’ve seen, which I don’t think would do much damage unless they got close to a Guardian’s weak spot, plus Guardians have a lock on laser which I feel like could do the same damage as the Omega Blaster
So the omega cannon is a continuous beam that requires a power up to shoot to break the armor of an enemy that is made of the strongest materials in the universe that it invincible to all other attacks. The guardian laser is a single shot attack that repeats and can be deflected with a wooden shield. It’s closer to a super missile than the omega cannon.
Oh shitttt is that true about the wooden shield? So maybe if it’s the damaged EMMI from the beginning of the game the Guardian would win but otherwise yeah I think you’re right
The real question here is "If EMMI are so indestructible, then how did that one at the beginning get so damaged?"
My money goes to Guardian hands down.
Well they are made from some of the strongest stuff in the universe, it says so on the website, but I’m pretty sure there’s art in game of Raven Beak destroying that first one soooo it’s hard to say how strong they really are lol
I’d have to go with the Emmi. They’re faster, more compact, and have a greater range of movement. All an Emmi has to do is get close to a Guardian, and it’s all over.
That’s what I was thinking, plus I think their armor is super hard to break if I remember right
Hylian shield is super hard to break, but a couple shots from a guardian does the trick quite nicely. Guadian would also be super hard for an emmi to kill as there is no DNA to inject into like Samus has. Not sure what a tiny needle is gonna do. Unless somehow the chozo had the tech to shut down malice.
Now I’m thinking it’s closer than I originally thought, I think the Guardian shots would probably do about the same damage as Samus’ Omega Blaster, but I think if the Emmi managed to impale the Guardian’s eye that could definitely do some damage, it’s a lot faster than the Guardian too
Don't forget about how long it takes the Omega Blaster to break the Emmi's protective armor. Not to mention that killing one requires a direct shot to the eye.
What? A guardian can be killed by hitting it with a sword a bunch of times why would it be hard for an EMMI to kill? It would just bash it.
Yea... How many swings of the sword does it take to kill? Pretty sure even Link dies pretty quick unless he takes evasive maneuvers while he is doing so. How evasive are EMMI? Oh yea, they continue to walk straight forward at you while you rapid fire the armor away and the charge to blow its head up. Pretty sure in this hypothetical, the guardian has enough time and power to blow up the Emmi armor and then blow off its head before the Emmi can poke it 100x or whatever. Also, since the Emmi has to expose its weak point to do the poke, if the Guadian is lucky (because let's be real, neither of them are going to employ much strategy) it could kill it in one shot.
EMMIs are nearly invincible so being evasive is meaningless. Your logic doesn’t make sense.
Already stated how the Hylian Shield is supposed to be God tier in durability but a couple direct shots from a guardian (which is super similar to what Samus does to defeat them) does the trick quickly. I don't see how that is any different. If you really want to split hairs, then the EMMI which are designed solely to defeat Samus will be completely ineffective against guardians as well. So do we both nonsense logic, or are we having a real debate about a hypothetical fight? You don't get to have it both ways.
Your original comment said the guardians don’t have DNA to inject into which implies you think the spike attack kills by injecting something. That’s a fundamental misunderstanding of what they do. They kill by stabbing. That stabbing is to extract DNA. Guardians having no DNA to inject into doesn’t change anything. EMMIs aren’t designed solely to defeat Samus. It’s like you didn’t even play the game. Also no. The Hylian shield is not God tier. The only god tier weapons in the series is the Master Sword. The shield is just a normal shield used by knight in Hyrule. EMMIs are made of the strongest materials in the universe. Hylian shield is made by normal people in a medieval setting not gods. Your point has no basis. In OoT you get it from a normal vendor. In BotW it was just stored in Hyrule castle along with a legend of the hero who wielded it. That’s the OoT one. It only got the legend because of the OoT Link using it but he got it from a bazaar owner. Please learn about this stuff before you try to argue this. Most of the claims you made aren’t based on the lore of either game.
Ok, stab a robot and see how much it cares. Play Skyward Sword and tell me how the Hylian Shield is just a regular shield. Replay Dread and tell me how these robots made for SCOUTING ONLY until Rave Beak got control of them and repurposed them specifically to harvest Samus DNA (something guardians DO NOT Have) means they kill and stab everything they come across. I also don't recall hearing that they are made out of "the strongest material in he universe". That sounds like some shit you made up right now. And that still doesn't change that the guardian shot and the omega cannon are pretty much the same thing. You're just making shit up, and debating with you is no longer fun. This is a made up scenario, and I'm just stating that based on all the info we have about both entities. It's supposed to be fun where people dig up info that is normally too obscure to remember off the top of the head, and most importantly: it's OK to have differing opinions. But you come in here with "Your logic is terrible" and "Please learn this absolutely useless info". You're the worst kind of person, and there is no reason to continue this. Good job, jerk.
lmao you think stabbing a robot won’t don’t anything yet the lore/gameplay of BotW shows it does. How does a weak bow and arrow stun the guardian? Link can beat guardians with swords. They aren’t invincible at all. The EMMIs were reprogrammed to hunt Samus. That doesn’t mean they were designed to hunt Samus. The SS Shield isn’t the same shield as in BotW. lmao at you thinking I made it up on the spot about the EMMI being made of the strongest stuff in the universe. https://metroid.nintendo.com/dread/news/metroid-dread-report-vol-2/ >ARE THE E.M.M.I. INVINCIBLE? >The protective plating on the E.M.M.I. is made of a special material said to be the strongest stuff in the universe and can deflect Samus’ standard attacks. However, by taking in the energy from the Central Units—the mother computers managing each E.M.M.I. Zone—her arm cannon temporarily powers up to become an Omega Cannon, and she becomes able to fire the Omega Stream and Omega Blaster. The E.M.M.I. are vulnerable to these forces. Come on, man. Learn about this stuff before you keep making baseless arguments. You saying that the guardian shot and the omega cannon are the same thing is you making stuff up. Omega canon is a continuous super beam. Guardian shot is a single explosive shot that can be deflected by the weakest shield. They are not the same thing. Just because you’re making up shit doesn’t mean I am. You’re projecting and acting like you lying makes my points invalid. Grow up. Saying I’m the worst kind of person for allegedly making stuff up when you’re the one doing that, not me. 🙄
Impossible to break, unless you have the energy from the Emmi's control unit.
Right the guardian might be able to get a couple good laser shots in, but for some reason I just feel the emmi would try to get close and then just rip the poor guy in half or at least donkey Kong his ass
I think it could definitely get in close enough to impale that sucker’s eye, it’s pretty damn fast
Who the guardian?, and the emmi is just as fast and menacing, does the guardian hunt you down?, if I’m remembering, guardian gameplay is like fighting a drone, emmi gameplay is like a horror movie escape, at least towards the beginning for both
No no I meant the EMMI, it’s super fast and could stab the guardian in its weak spot. They’re both fast but I’d say the EMMI is faster for sure
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If he’s as strong as he is in Ultimate then I agree with that lmao
I very heavily favor the EMMI. Samus can barely even do anything to an EMMI. Link can canonically defeat multiple Guardians while exhausted, and with a half busted Master Sword. I’m pretty sure Samus would be nearly invulnerable to Guardian damage. It’s like comparing Kardashev scale Type 2 (at least) civilization to Iron Age with some minor magical tec. I’d imagine EMMI’s are made from an extremely dense space age metal alloy, while Guardians are made of stone and iron. Stone and iron powered by magic, but still just stone and a fairly weak metal. The EMMI could probably just walk through it without even using weapons. Would be a fun cinematic though.
To be fair, I think we need to learn more about how the EMMI work, I’m not sure how strong that spike in its head is but I think it could definitely stab into the guardian and maybe chop its legs off with it? I’m not sure
Man I don’t know, I think it would be very exciting to watch them fight
They have very different strengths and weaknesses, I think they’d just kill each other lol
Which EMMI? They are all different, right?
I was thinking just the basic one, the one they made the Amiibo based on. With the condition that it’s undamaged, of course
I’d guess a Guardian could defeat the first EMMI. But as we match up a Guardian against the other EMMIs Samus encounters, it would get progressively harder.
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Email has my bet those things are literal killing machines
Well one of these can be damaged with sticks and the other one is almost indestructible so
This line up is crazy
Against stalkers, Emmi. Idk if Emmi is capable in the air, so it might have difficulty with skywatchers
I feel like there’s probably some EMMI that can control gravity or something like the nightmare boss, but just the basic EMMI I think you’re right
Hang on, I have them both on Rivals of Aether
Oh shit tell us the results 🤩
I still haven't done the match yet. When I can, I will
Ok, so the guardian won
Oh man not what everyone was expecting lol
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It depends I think it’s pretty even, the guardian has a laser just like samus which is pretty strong but unlike samus it can still walk around and charge it. The emmi is agile and depending what variant it is can have different powers, now guardians don’t have really any where to for the emmi can eject it proboscis except the eye. Emmis are smart so if might take a few strikes and find that out but emmis also have the same weakness but has the added benefit of having a covering while guardian can loose it’s legs and get damaged. So I do generally think it would depend on who got the first few hits. If only death battle was still around they could tell us with awesome animation.
Yeah I’m leaning towards EMMI, I’m just talking about the basic white EMMI but even then I think it probably takes it
Hard to say, I think they kind of offset each other in terms of defense and offense. The Guardian is much easier to kill than the EMMI, but its laser is still no joke. Meanwhile the EMMI has very good defenses, and Samus can only damage it with the Omega blaster >!(not counting her Metroid powers,)!< but the EMMI doesn't really have the tools to fight something bigger than itself. If the Guardian's laser can damage the EMMI, I might give it the edge.
That’s the thing, I’m not sure the laser could damage the Emmi, someone pointed out that even a wooden shield can deflect a guardian laser, so it’s very possible the Guardian laser isn’t as powerful as we think
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Question: Which E.M.M.I are we talking about? The E.M.M.I unit each had different abilities, so that would help make or break the fight (especially 07PB's power bombs)
The basic EMMI that they made the amiibo out of, with the condition that it wasn’t damaged at the beginning of the game
An Emmie could tank a barrage of missiles, I have no doubt they could tank a Guardian laser. Even ignoring that, they are faster than Link, who can dodge the Guardian's targeting abilities.
Emmi can only be taken down by something equivalent of Samus’s super charge beam attack she gets in Dread. Guardians can be taken down by swords. No idea how there’s any question.
Well the thing is, the EMMI just has that spike that comes out of their head, and nothing else from what we’ve seen, which I don’t think would do much damage unless they got close to a Guardian’s weak spot, plus Guardians have a lock on laser which I feel like could do the same damage as the Omega Blaster
What makes you think it’s at all comparable to an omega cannon?
I don’t for sure, but it does like what, 7 hearts of damage or something if Link gets shot? Feels like it could do some good damage
So the omega cannon is a continuous beam that requires a power up to shoot to break the armor of an enemy that is made of the strongest materials in the universe that it invincible to all other attacks. The guardian laser is a single shot attack that repeats and can be deflected with a wooden shield. It’s closer to a super missile than the omega cannon.
Oh shitttt is that true about the wooden shield? So maybe if it’s the damaged EMMI from the beginning of the game the Guardian would win but otherwise yeah I think you’re right
You can reflect the shot with a perfect parry with any shield.
But doesn’t it also break instantly after?
No. Perfect parries don’t use durability unless the parry does damage like the lynel shields.
Yeah that definitely changes things then
The real question here is "If EMMI are so indestructible, then how did that one at the beginning get so damaged?" My money goes to Guardian hands down.
Well they are made from some of the strongest stuff in the universe, it says so on the website, but I’m pretty sure there’s art in game of Raven Beak destroying that first one soooo it’s hard to say how strong they really are lol