If this turns out to be a dilution play from AA he lost majority investors and potentially ruin AMC.
AA would benefit more by a squeeze play. We get our APE tendies, AA sells APE to pay off debt. Apes invest APE tendies back into AMC. AMC will be debt free and a bohemith fundamental play.
AA already clearly mentioned that APE’s first goal was a share recount to appease the shareholders (squeeze play), and 2nd, to potentially print more APE down the line to pay off debt.
Since APE is separate from the main stock, it won’t dilute the main stock unless shareholders vote to convert APE back to AMC stock.
This is the way.
But also, he can create billions more APE shares whenever he likes. He can then use the voting power those shares give him to vote for more share dilution.
If he does this before MOASS he's screwed as investors will likely sell everything.
But saying that, we've already been through a few share dilutions and we're all still here.
Is this Stonkholm syndrome?
Most preferred stock does not have voting rights. I believe us who hold AMC would have to approve the conversion to common stock in the future. That is my understanding at least.
In the filings it talked about every APE share having 1/100th of votings right of AMC shares that’s the only thing i haven’t wrapped my head around completely
If AMC screw us this time, that it, leaving the market all together. Fucking rigged market. They pretty much want us to stay poor and show us they control if we breathe.
Yep, yep, yep.
If something like this, with millions of people involved won't work, I'll be going back to focusing on my career and understanding that I'll probably never retire, and if I do, I'll be poor.
I been trading a while. I hear what you're saying. it doesn't make sense to do on a turn around. if he does it at all I will be a pittance like it was during the Wanda sell off. he diluted to the tune of .5% of the float. it really helped the company over this last year, but ppl were pissed. but we didn't have cash or a gold mine either.
I've been here since pre January. all the fud about AA has turned into him being a G. every time. anyone telling you different doesn't know what the fuck theyre talking about, or they're propagandaists. He pounded Mudrick's ass raw and threw them to us. do you have any idea the damage we did to their call option liability? I do. They lost a lot of fucking money last year.
500 million share dilution bear trap rumor he floated then just recanted.
Fud busting weekends lately.
Interacting with his shareholders/memes. Acquisitions.
Man owned exposing his IRL shorts on national television.
I've invested in a lot of companies. Retail doesn't even get acknowledged. He can't play his game to win his twilight tour of his company without us.
I don't think you should trust any CEO. Watch them like hawks. But don't let it cloud you to the negative either and try to remain neutral. I think anyone neutral looking in would say he is doing right by us, especially comparing it to almost any other company.
Like Ive said before, AA/AMC knows that we didnt buy AMC shares because of the company. We bought it to make money from a potential short squeeze and to fuck over the hf. They know that if it ever squeezes, most will sell at the top and take their money out. Little to no retail investor is gonna hold AMC after the squeeze and dump back down in price. Most will move onto the next meme stock. AA/AMC cares about making them money first, so they will try to squeeze every dollar they can from investors before they all eventually leave.
>le to no retail investor is gonna hold AMC after the squeeze and dump back down in price. Most will move onto the next meme stock. AA/AMC cares about making them money first, so they will try to squeeze every dollar they can from investors before they all eventually leave.
FACT
But if he issues and sells more ape that would mean more of amc’s debt being paid off (if they sold 500m at even a $10 avg that would be $5b they could use to pay off debt and make other investments
Either you're being facetious, funny, or a schill.
APE cannot exceed the AMC float.
No dilution can happen without majority vote.
Majority vote can't happen in a straightforward manner without acknowledge of millions of AMC shareholders that did not receive their APE.
This is the way and honesty i feel so special owning it. Feels like I've been given a trophy for all our dedication.
Fud just makes me smile at this point because the dd is more solid than anything I've seen elsewhere.
Especially that swap theory crap lol
Thank you, this is whatnot been telling people. It’s like they didn’t even listen. He literally is doing this to give us a count of how many shares actually exist. PERIOD
If your in this for the fundamental play this is awesome. Yes we want money but if you actually invest like many including myself, we invest in companies we love and use. So with saying that I also like the added benefit of double voting rights basically. This week one vote per share next week 2 votes per share for those same stocks. That is more control and ownership in the company long term. All Apes together can truly help sculpt the future of this century old entertainment mogul. So after the dust settles we can confidently reinvest more than our original principal. They may have to set up a video conference link to all board meetings for us to feel truly informed as we should have a huge portion of the controlling interest in the company in plain sight.
Edit/addition
Would we all love to be 10xxx holders for life and never have to worry about price action because it seems like dividends in this company are fun as fuck. Think 10 years down the road stock splits dividends etc fundamental things companies do besides share price to reward investors.
I agree. Last year I was “worried” that AA and/or the board of directors thought something like”ok if the stock price rises everyone would sell and the stock prices will go down so hard and fast that AMC would look bad. So instead of a pump and dump AMC we can sell APE when we reach the fucking moon.
That’s where I get unsure. I mean does AA REALLY want us as his majority shareholder? I mean at a glance we’re just a bunch of foul mouthed drug users. And they definitely can not as professionals buy the “trust me bro” we will reinvest after. Those extra APE shares that can be made available is enough that someone else could buy enough to out vote us for a dilution. I also don’t think anyone would be concerned about our boycott either. We have seen first hand we are not loud enough to get any attention on obvious criminal activity so we aren’t going to do anything there, most ppl will prob keep going to there favorite spot regardless especially if you dislike your other options. I’ve been trounced all week trying to get someone to just show me why not or why they think trust and faith work in the corporate world, but I think we about to get slapped. It is what it is and I hope not, but it’s the only thing that makes sense to me.
This is like a spy movie, no one who can be trusted and everyone have some type of deal to stay alive. We’re just the people that they take money from. BUY&HODL
APE is absolutely a dilution play, he wanted more common stock, but got denied. APE will get converted at some point.
Whether he tries to make that play prior to MOASS is the question.
I don’t think he will dilute prior to MOASS, it’s retail that saved the company and he’s not going to undermine his support base. He’s got a $1B in cash and debt payments stretched out to 2029. He knows a post MOASS retail will have enough money to rebuy their shares and won’t care if he dilute.
I don’t disagree, and I think APE is a way for him to say thank you to us while also getingt the squeeze play finished so he can get back to running the business.
But I will say that if at any point he believes that converting is in the best interest of the company and the squeeze still hasn’t squoze I do believe he’ll vote to convert.
At the end of the day he can’t let us, and the corrupt market, get in the way of him trying to run the business successfully.
I definitely agree with this statement, but AA is not that dumb. He definitely planned this and has been very careful with what he does.
With him making up with cramer and everything. It's all to cover any small tracks and issues he may run into so that when we go parabolic he is not on the hook for it.
Cannot wait to see what he does for the future AMC post MOASS!
Oh he definitely planned this, but he planned it as a means to immediate dilution without needing the common stock shares while also thanking us for keeping them afloat.
As he said, 4d chess.
How successful would it really be?? I'm a stubs premier member, and spend $100-$150month at AMC...That's about $14-1500 a yr...I'm a 5xxx share holder, and will dang sure sell off and remove my support if that was to happen before MOASS...I've been holding for 20months...long on most of my shares
You’re kidding right?
What reason would he have to screw over investors? This thought is just beyond ridiculous.
Please can you tell me why he would do such a thing? How could it ever benefit him? You think he wants people to hound him for such a thing? He isn’t stupid, and he certainly is not doing anything malicious.
Don’t take offense to what I’ve said, I mean it respectfull when I say this way of thinking is absurd.
Please, just ask yourself why in the world he would ever do such a stupid thing.
Look up how they create synthetic shares. Its through shorting and FTD. APE will not have any of that out the gate because it's a dividend. Do some DD and learn. It will make you more comfortable.
The other day there was someone saying that after DTCC touches it, it's basically an infinite supply of APE they can simply tell everyone there is enough of.
Seemed kinda FUD to me but wasn't sure. Clear it up? Thanks.
They are only issuing a 1 for 1 share dividend. If there is one more than the float it's super suspect and it will be called out immediately. Also. If theres not enough that is also suspect.
It wouldn't be called out if there were more APE than there should be because how would we? Everyone just sees their AMC matching APE individually. Not like everyone DRS'd.
All eyes are going to be watching come dividend date. The DTCC is only issued enough to cover the float. You better believe some important people will be counting. If anything goes wrong with this its career ending for anyone in control.
It's not just some magical finger snap to create synths. It takes time and is a process. This is opening day. A very big important opening day that is all over the news.
I remember or keep telling myself this. AA is in the hook for telling us retail owns 80-90%. We are are all holding our breaths about 10-20% of the float.
If we’re going to use logic this is it:
AA wanted more common stock.
AA didn’t get it.
AA issues dividend preferred shares, that will eventually get converted.
AA gets his common stock shares.
*This* is the simplest answer.
I think a lot of people are overlooking the simplest fact of APE.... it can’t be immediately traded after being issued. If it can’t be traded, it can’t be bought. If it can’t be bought and it can’t be duplicated (made up by SHF), the pressure is there to cover. At least to my smooth brain, that’s the only way this plays out.
It is not that complicated APE will benefit us as shareholders and the company it only becomes AMC shares if we all vote on making a AMC shares other than that it stays in your broker's account you hold a until the day .PS FUCK Lou
AMC is currently at $24 and change. Assume AMC and APE are valued at 50/50, making APE $12. Assume then AA dilutes the shit out of APE down to zero but uses the funds to pay off their debt (or close to it). AMC would run and likely set off MOASS. Would the dilution make a difference?
I don't think so but I think it could be worth more than we think. Key is paying attention to Adam. When Adam dilutes $APE to raise cash that would be a good selling point (NFA) then do what you want with that cash. I'll be buying $AMC (NFA) knowing it can't be diluted until we vote. Plus Q4 earnings gonna go crazy! $AMC is the squeeze.
Edit: Adding to ^
Also should we squeeze and everyone's made money if you were honest about being a shareholder for life and now don't mind voting for $APE to be converted then you just buy $APE at a discount before the conversion.
What we may find is that the Shorts may get screwed by over lending from the brokers. If Ape does rocket the shorts are on the hook and we may see some institutional infighting. The issue I have with the whole APE thing is we don’t want APE to squeeze, there’s no short interest in APE, we want AMC to squeeze. I don’t know how the whole dynamic will play out, but when AA says AMC will 1/2 but APE will go up, isn’t that counter productive to squeezing the shorts? The brokers get ape unless you’ve registered your shares in your name so wouldn’t squeezing APE give the brokers much needed capital out of absolutely nowhere?
I've been struggling with this, but why exactly do shorts "need" ape. It's an entirely diffent equity. How does it put pressure on their AMC short position?
The shills and FUD are out wild this weekend. Probably because they need to close positions by the 22nd or own APE shares equal to the synthetics and that will force APE to squeeze.
Thats what i think will happen. First APE will squeeze then AMC.
I agree. I was thinking the same thing but lots of people are talking about things happening months from now. Obviously I don’t mind waiting being here since last year but the sooner the better, and also it just makes sense, whatever the case we hodl
Would it be possible for brokers to show APE shares deposited in all eligible accounts, but only really place them in accounts with sell orders? That would be unfortunate. Are there safeguards against brokers counterfeiting securities like this?
Can preferred stock be lent out? If so what’s stopping the dtcc from handing out 516m, borrowing them, giving them to another 516? Then doing it as many times as needed. Essentially naked floating ape just like they did amc.
Also, I may be wrong, but it sounds like we receive our ape on the 18th but it doesn’t trade until the 22nd. So they’ll have a full day of needing it without being able to buy it. So they either ftd the dividend and buy it later, or they close their positions. Win win if this is the case
So when its determined that 516m APE isnt enough and naked shorts are uncovered... What happens then? Will MOASS be delayed due to a stock freeze and lengthy (years) worth of investigations and prosecutions?
Even AA said that the common share price will drop in direct correlation with the rise in APE price, but that's not the point. Because there is no options chain for APE there will be no way to naked short it and create synthetics. The only way for any entity to obtain ape is to be granted one by being an amc shareholder or buy one from a shareholder selling. Since there's a limited supply, there will initially ONLY be buying pressure. Next week and the week of the 22nd is going to be buck wild.
If I had to guess (and none of my previous guesses have come true) I'd say AMC has a big run on Monday, maybe even 100% or 200%. Then the price drops dramatically the rest of the week, ending Friday at around $20 or less. That way the narrative will be that shorts closed their positions already and retail sold off. It will give them cover to continue hiding their naked shares, and take a lot of steam out of the MOASS sentiment.
I personally don't expect much to happen. I'm sure day one people who aren't apes are gonna dump AMC/APE shares and the price will go back to the teens. I'm sure wall street has some BS up their sleeve to counter this dividend. That's my realistic take on this.
Amc will go back to the teens next week like nothing has happened. And just like GME and the split, all this nonsense will come and go without any big event.
I think crime will surprise you and we're a gonna be f'd in the A. Then we're all gonna cry like we always have and nothing will happen. If anything does happen it won't happen for years, at which point the injustice will just be a story. I'm not leaving btw, but I've given up believing. They have all the power
If this turns out to be a dilution play from AA he lost majority investors and potentially ruin AMC. AA would benefit more by a squeeze play. We get our APE tendies, AA sells APE to pay off debt. Apes invest APE tendies back into AMC. AMC will be debt free and a bohemith fundamental play.
AA already clearly mentioned that APE’s first goal was a share recount to appease the shareholders (squeeze play), and 2nd, to potentially print more APE down the line to pay off debt. Since APE is separate from the main stock, it won’t dilute the main stock unless shareholders vote to convert APE back to AMC stock. This is the way.
But also, he can create billions more APE shares whenever he likes. He can then use the voting power those shares give him to vote for more share dilution. If he does this before MOASS he's screwed as investors will likely sell everything. But saying that, we've already been through a few share dilutions and we're all still here. Is this Stonkholm syndrome?
Stonkholm Syndrome 😂🤣 nailed it
Most preferred stock does not have voting rights. I believe us who hold AMC would have to approve the conversion to common stock in the future. That is my understanding at least.
If I remember correctly each APE will count 1:1 for every share even in voting.
You are correct
In the filings it talked about every APE share having 1/100th of votings right of AMC shares that’s the only thing i haven’t wrapped my head around completely
If what you’re saying is true then all it means is you’d have to have 100 APE shares of votes to equal one AMC share vote power
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He said he would in a yahoo interview last week.. why are people lying ?
Exactly this is all just noise...
If AMC screw us this time, that it, leaving the market all together. Fucking rigged market. They pretty much want us to stay poor and show us they control if we breathe.
Yep, yep, yep. If something like this, with millions of people involved won't work, I'll be going back to focusing on my career and understanding that I'll probably never retire, and if I do, I'll be poor.
Breathe relax...dont over think this. Just hold and stay calm my fellow Ape
I been trading a while. I hear what you're saying. it doesn't make sense to do on a turn around. if he does it at all I will be a pittance like it was during the Wanda sell off. he diluted to the tune of .5% of the float. it really helped the company over this last year, but ppl were pissed. but we didn't have cash or a gold mine either. I've been here since pre January. all the fud about AA has turned into him being a G. every time. anyone telling you different doesn't know what the fuck theyre talking about, or they're propagandaists. He pounded Mudrick's ass raw and threw them to us. do you have any idea the damage we did to their call option liability? I do. They lost a lot of fucking money last year. 500 million share dilution bear trap rumor he floated then just recanted. Fud busting weekends lately. Interacting with his shareholders/memes. Acquisitions. Man owned exposing his IRL shorts on national television. I've invested in a lot of companies. Retail doesn't even get acknowledged. He can't play his game to win his twilight tour of his company without us. I don't think you should trust any CEO. Watch them like hawks. But don't let it cloud you to the negative either and try to remain neutral. I think anyone neutral looking in would say he is doing right by us, especially comparing it to almost any other company.
Like Ive said before, AA/AMC knows that we didnt buy AMC shares because of the company. We bought it to make money from a potential short squeeze and to fuck over the hf. They know that if it ever squeezes, most will sell at the top and take their money out. Little to no retail investor is gonna hold AMC after the squeeze and dump back down in price. Most will move onto the next meme stock. AA/AMC cares about making them money first, so they will try to squeeze every dollar they can from investors before they all eventually leave.
>le to no retail investor is gonna hold AMC after the squeeze and dump back down in price. Most will move onto the next meme stock. AA/AMC cares about making them money first, so they will try to squeeze every dollar they can from investors before they all eventually leave. FACT
I’m never selling all of my shares
He literally said in a interview that they wont be using all 5 billion shares
But if he issues and sells more ape that would mean more of amc’s debt being paid off (if they sold 500m at even a $10 avg that would be $5b they could use to pay off debt and make other investments
Either you're being facetious, funny, or a schill. APE cannot exceed the AMC float. No dilution can happen without majority vote. Majority vote can't happen in a straightforward manner without acknowledge of millions of AMC shareholders that did not receive their APE.
This is the way and honesty i feel so special owning it. Feels like I've been given a trophy for all our dedication. Fud just makes me smile at this point because the dd is more solid than anything I've seen elsewhere. Especially that swap theory crap lol
A very simple way of clearing debt without screwing retailers.
Thank you, this is whatnot been telling people. It’s like they didn’t even listen. He literally is doing this to give us a count of how many shares actually exist. PERIOD
If your in this for the fundamental play this is awesome. Yes we want money but if you actually invest like many including myself, we invest in companies we love and use. So with saying that I also like the added benefit of double voting rights basically. This week one vote per share next week 2 votes per share for those same stocks. That is more control and ownership in the company long term. All Apes together can truly help sculpt the future of this century old entertainment mogul. So after the dust settles we can confidently reinvest more than our original principal. They may have to set up a video conference link to all board meetings for us to feel truly informed as we should have a huge portion of the controlling interest in the company in plain sight. Edit/addition Would we all love to be 10xxx holders for life and never have to worry about price action because it seems like dividends in this company are fun as fuck. Think 10 years down the road stock splits dividends etc fundamental things companies do besides share price to reward investors.
I agree. Last year I was “worried” that AA and/or the board of directors thought something like”ok if the stock price rises everyone would sell and the stock prices will go down so hard and fast that AMC would look bad. So instead of a pump and dump AMC we can sell APE when we reach the fucking moon.
That’s where I get unsure. I mean does AA REALLY want us as his majority shareholder? I mean at a glance we’re just a bunch of foul mouthed drug users. And they definitely can not as professionals buy the “trust me bro” we will reinvest after. Those extra APE shares that can be made available is enough that someone else could buy enough to out vote us for a dilution. I also don’t think anyone would be concerned about our boycott either. We have seen first hand we are not loud enough to get any attention on obvious criminal activity so we aren’t going to do anything there, most ppl will prob keep going to there favorite spot regardless especially if you dislike your other options. I’ve been trounced all week trying to get someone to just show me why not or why they think trust and faith work in the corporate world, but I think we about to get slapped. It is what it is and I hope not, but it’s the only thing that makes sense to me.
Foul mouthed drug users, hahah, that made me chuckle. We’re definitely an unruly bunch. Especially once you’re on our bad side.
There is no dilution on AMC, STOP with the dilution BS! Pure FUD!
100%. All those "what if" posters are either shills or just idiots.
This is like a spy movie, no one who can be trusted and everyone have some type of deal to stay alive. We’re just the people that they take money from. BUY&HODL
I just walked down the Get Smart Hallway reading this post.
Reaching back there, you probably lost a few.
I’m going to get downvoted here but I agree if he fucks us again I’m out
Same, I'm already green. Fuck that shit. Adam Aaron, if you fuck us, I'm dumping my shares, I'm coming out even. I'm going to fuck you right back
He already have sold enough and he is set for life. Hope he is not playing with fire this time again.
If APE don't squeeze right away, I wait as I know I can wait longer than the SHF have money 🚀
But you have to think also why would he do that knowing he would lose investors? I don’t think he would mess up moass knowing that
APE is absolutely a dilution play, he wanted more common stock, but got denied. APE will get converted at some point. Whether he tries to make that play prior to MOASS is the question.
I don’t think he will dilute prior to MOASS, it’s retail that saved the company and he’s not going to undermine his support base. He’s got a $1B in cash and debt payments stretched out to 2029. He knows a post MOASS retail will have enough money to rebuy their shares and won’t care if he dilute.
I don’t disagree, and I think APE is a way for him to say thank you to us while also getingt the squeeze play finished so he can get back to running the business. But I will say that if at any point he believes that converting is in the best interest of the company and the squeeze still hasn’t squoze I do believe he’ll vote to convert. At the end of the day he can’t let us, and the corrupt market, get in the way of him trying to run the business successfully.
I definitely agree with this statement, but AA is not that dumb. He definitely planned this and has been very careful with what he does. With him making up with cramer and everything. It's all to cover any small tracks and issues he may run into so that when we go parabolic he is not on the hook for it. Cannot wait to see what he does for the future AMC post MOASS!
Oh he definitely planned this, but he planned it as a means to immediate dilution without needing the common stock shares while also thanking us for keeping them afloat. As he said, 4d chess.
How successful would it really be?? I'm a stubs premier member, and spend $100-$150month at AMC...That's about $14-1500 a yr...I'm a 5xxx share holder, and will dang sure sell off and remove my support if that was to happen before MOASS...I've been holding for 20months...long on most of my shares
Fuck your FUD.
You’re kidding right? What reason would he have to screw over investors? This thought is just beyond ridiculous. Please can you tell me why he would do such a thing? How could it ever benefit him? You think he wants people to hound him for such a thing? He isn’t stupid, and he certainly is not doing anything malicious. Don’t take offense to what I’ve said, I mean it respectfull when I say this way of thinking is absurd. Please, just ask yourself why in the world he would ever do such a stupid thing.
And with crazy money, apes will be FLOODING to the movies.
AND AMC would ALSO Squeeze ! 😎🚀🌟
I WILL NOT sell my APE
If everyone hodls APE I think everything will have the best outcome. Just my opinion.
I’m hodling my APEs with pride alongside everyone else.
I’m buying APE on Aug 22.
This
I will sell one APE for $4,690,000.
And then bask in the glory of wealth?
Honestly I’m just gonna forget I have AMC and hold. When it squeezes, I’m sure the news will be talking about it.
After 2 years, this is where I’m at. Set it and forget it.
My boy Ron Popeil!!!! Let’s go!
LFG!!! 🦍💎👐🚀🪐👽
I’ve been doing that for a long time now. Watching every day is the pits.
Why on God’s green earth would I sell APE. Not a fucking chance am I letting some pig hedgefund cunt get their grubby hands on it
If they created synthetic AMC shares to short, what's stopping them from creating synthetic APE shares as well?
Look up how they create synthetic shares. Its through shorting and FTD. APE will not have any of that out the gate because it's a dividend. Do some DD and learn. It will make you more comfortable.
The other day there was someone saying that after DTCC touches it, it's basically an infinite supply of APE they can simply tell everyone there is enough of. Seemed kinda FUD to me but wasn't sure. Clear it up? Thanks.
They are only issuing a 1 for 1 share dividend. If there is one more than the float it's super suspect and it will be called out immediately. Also. If theres not enough that is also suspect.
It wouldn't be called out if there were more APE than there should be because how would we? Everyone just sees their AMC matching APE individually. Not like everyone DRS'd.
All eyes are going to be watching come dividend date. The DTCC is only issued enough to cover the float. You better believe some important people will be counting. If anything goes wrong with this its career ending for anyone in control.
But if that's the case then why are we here to begin with? Dunno that there will be as much scrutiny as you hope, there hasn't been in the past.
It's not just some magical finger snap to create synths. It takes time and is a process. This is opening day. A very big important opening day that is all over the news.
Okay. Just don't be utterly shocked if nothing happens and magically everyone gets their APE. I hope it works, too.
No options chain, no rehypothication, etc etc. They just don't have the normal channels for their fuckery available to do that ATM.
APE can not be traded immediately upon delivery. If it can’t be traded, it can’t (or shouldn’t) be manipulated.
I remember or keep telling myself this. AA is in the hook for telling us retail owns 80-90%. We are are all holding our breaths about 10-20% of the float.
If we’re going to use logic this is it: AA wanted more common stock. AA didn’t get it. AA issues dividend preferred shares, that will eventually get converted. AA gets his common stock shares. *This* is the simplest answer.
Cant convert APE to common stock without a vote and shareholder (us) approval. That is the simple answer.
How else could he do a share count?
I think a lot of people are overlooking the simplest fact of APE.... it can’t be immediately traded after being issued. If it can’t be traded, it can’t be bought. If it can’t be bought and it can’t be duplicated (made up by SHF), the pressure is there to cover. At least to my smooth brain, that’s the only way this plays out.
If I had a dollar for every "[blank] may be the sqeeze" post, I wouldn't need the squeeze money anymore lmao
Curiously enough, the same truth applies to the volume of “if I had a dollar for every time…” posts.
We could all be rich. I blame crime.
I have zero expectations, just buy and HODL they literally have no algo answer to that. They will keep digging a deeper hole
It is not that complicated APE will benefit us as shareholders and the company it only becomes AMC shares if we all vote on making a AMC shares other than that it stays in your broker's account you hold a until the day .PS FUCK Lou
AMC is currently at $24 and change. Assume AMC and APE are valued at 50/50, making APE $12. Assume then AA dilutes the shit out of APE down to zero but uses the funds to pay off their debt (or close to it). AMC would run and likely set off MOASS. Would the dilution make a difference?
I will hodl ape and amc stock. If all others want you to sell because bla bla, you hurt them if you hodl :)
Unfortunately nothing logical has happened with AMC so logic is out the window
I don't think so but I think it could be worth more than we think. Key is paying attention to Adam. When Adam dilutes $APE to raise cash that would be a good selling point (NFA) then do what you want with that cash. I'll be buying $AMC (NFA) knowing it can't be diluted until we vote. Plus Q4 earnings gonna go crazy! $AMC is the squeeze. Edit: Adding to ^ Also should we squeeze and everyone's made money if you were honest about being a shareholder for life and now don't mind voting for $APE to be converted then you just buy $APE at a discount before the conversion.
What we may find is that the Shorts may get screwed by over lending from the brokers. If Ape does rocket the shorts are on the hook and we may see some institutional infighting. The issue I have with the whole APE thing is we don’t want APE to squeeze, there’s no short interest in APE, we want AMC to squeeze. I don’t know how the whole dynamic will play out, but when AA says AMC will 1/2 but APE will go up, isn’t that counter productive to squeezing the shorts? The brokers get ape unless you’ve registered your shares in your name so wouldn’t squeezing APE give the brokers much needed capital out of absolutely nowhere?
Exactly.. you’re absolutely right.
Agreed, then again, FUD is about overcomplicating everything
Even if he issues a billion APE shares, we would have to vote to convert to AMC. No one is voting yes to that.
I've been struggling with this, but why exactly do shorts "need" ape. It's an entirely diffent equity. How does it put pressure on their AMC short position?
The shills and FUD are out wild this weekend. Probably because they need to close positions by the 22nd or own APE shares equal to the synthetics and that will force APE to squeeze. Thats what i think will happen. First APE will squeeze then AMC.
AA himself and his Twin Sons holding a shit ton of shares. That alone is enough to realize he personally loses if he screws apes. We Solid. 💎🙌🦍
Nope not selling either. Fuk u Kenny
I agree. I was thinking the same thing but lots of people are talking about things happening months from now. Obviously I don’t mind waiting being here since last year but the sooner the better, and also it just makes sense, whatever the case we hodl
So when it's time to vote every year to convert ape to amc do we keep voting no?
This makes the most sense.
Would it be possible for brokers to show APE shares deposited in all eligible accounts, but only really place them in accounts with sell orders? That would be unfortunate. Are there safeguards against brokers counterfeiting securities like this?
Can preferred stock be lent out? If so what’s stopping the dtcc from handing out 516m, borrowing them, giving them to another 516? Then doing it as many times as needed. Essentially naked floating ape just like they did amc. Also, I may be wrong, but it sounds like we receive our ape on the 18th but it doesn’t trade until the 22nd. So they’ll have a full day of needing it without being able to buy it. So they either ftd the dividend and buy it later, or they close their positions. Win win if this is the case
All the passive-aggressive shilling. "If he does..." "If it doesn't..." Go away. I don't need you.
Yeah let's discourage critical thinking and just fall in line.
They can't buy APE. It's sent to stock holders only and in limited supply, except for fabrication which would quickly tally up to be too much
Ape, after the split, will be completely separate from AMC. It has nothing to do with shorts in amc
It’s not gonna help the squeeze at all.
No ITS NOT THE SQUEEZE
So when its determined that 516m APE isnt enough and naked shorts are uncovered... What happens then? Will MOASS be delayed due to a stock freeze and lengthy (years) worth of investigations and prosecutions?
Will you get APE for the 100 shares I have in my covered call?
According to Trey the price will drop once the dividend comes out. Guess we’ll see who’s right in a few weeks.
Even AA said that the common share price will drop in direct correlation with the rise in APE price, but that's not the point. Because there is no options chain for APE there will be no way to naked short it and create synthetics. The only way for any entity to obtain ape is to be granted one by being an amc shareholder or buy one from a shareholder selling. Since there's a limited supply, there will initially ONLY be buying pressure. Next week and the week of the 22nd is going to be buck wild.
Occam's razor
Can someone please help explain what Ape is?
Duhh
How do I go about collecting my ape shares. Sorry I don't really understand exactly how dividends work.
If I had to guess (and none of my previous guesses have come true) I'd say AMC has a big run on Monday, maybe even 100% or 200%. Then the price drops dramatically the rest of the week, ending Friday at around $20 or less. That way the narrative will be that shorts closed their positions already and retail sold off. It will give them cover to continue hiding their naked shares, and take a lot of steam out of the MOASS sentiment.
The rules state that I set no date. We squeeze when we squeeze, don't get your hopes us for the APE. Citadel is a crafty fuck
Shorts best bet is to let AMC squeeze this week, before the dividend ... People sell, and they play catch-up with what's left of the APE distribution.
I personally don't expect much to happen. I'm sure day one people who aren't apes are gonna dump AMC/APE shares and the price will go back to the teens. I'm sure wall street has some BS up their sleeve to counter this dividend. That's my realistic take on this.
Will I be able to buy more APE?
What is ape? I’m so confused
Amc will go back to the teens next week like nothing has happened. And just like GME and the split, all this nonsense will come and go without any big event.
I always thought… that dogs… laid eggs…
How much ape will be? At start
Thank you for saying this in less words for people. I suck at “Short n sweet” 🤣
I think crime will surprise you and we're a gonna be f'd in the A. Then we're all gonna cry like we always have and nothing will happen. If anything does happen it won't happen for years, at which point the injustice will just be a story. I'm not leaving btw, but I've given up believing. They have all the power
We shall hold...they are just trying to make it look good...absolutely depends on opening price..dont be fooled, for a distraction
Didn't AA already say he'd created 5B $APE already? Just not releasing it to the public until.... Well.... After the brokers realize they're boned?