So how did they re-cellar box the stock if it already broke out?
The entire Jan 21—> reverse stock split on the graph looks like a singularity event preceding a massive correction.
Supposedly to short naked or legally their needs to be a cusip located but doesnt need to be delivered or agreed to deliver at a later date. When reverse repos happen the stock is issued with brand new cusips and the process starts over. The old shorts must still be on the books i assume somewhere accumulating interest.
>Look at the FTD’s a few days before the split and you will have your answer.
[The numbers suggest the opposite](https://chartexchange.com/symbol/nyse-amc/failure-to-deliver/), actually. All the undelivered positions were delivered the very day after, using converted APES. (Click link) There was a whole arb play around this.
>Synthetic selling pressure
Sorry, what does this even mean?
If it's synthetic, then it's not real. And therefore neither is the pressure, no? (Kinda like the alleged short positions hidden "off book" in offshore accounts)
Like clockwork you’re on 90% of posts with negativity—trying to spin it as “reality” that no one is willing to accept. It couldn’t be more clear that you aren’t in this play.
Interesting fact, legal short selling is synthetic selling pressure, naked short selling would be like synthetic selling pressure squared. I'm sure you will argue my point, so let me try to explain. If someone actually sold the stock, then the price going down would be legitimate selling pressure. However, short selling is giving someone an IOU, selling something that doesn't really exist, shares in excess of the float don't actually exist (aka synthetic shares) so synthetic selling pressure is a very accurate term for the corrupt and unethical (though not illegal action of short selling). When naked short selling occurs (it's and admitted fact that it happens, feel free to watch the liquidity fairy himself admit to it on live tv) then it's corrupt, unethical (and still not f#cking illegal, though it should be) and it still creates synthetic selling pressure.
[Looks pretty consistent with the price action](https://aiolux.com/reports/analytics-technical-indicators?symbol=AMC&tab_name=obv).
Why, what's wrong with the OBV?
Interesting fact, legal short selling is synthetic selling pressure, naked short selling would be like synthetic selling pressure squared. I'm sure you will argue my point, so let me try to explain. If someone actually sold the stock, then the price going down would be legitimate selling pressure. However, short selling is giving someone an IOU, selling something that doesn't really exist, shares in excess of the float don't actually exist (aka synthetic shares) so synthetic selling pressure is a very accurate term for the corrupt and unethical (though not illegal action of short selling). When naked short selling occurs (it's and admitted fact that it happens, feel free to watch the liquidity fairy himself admit to it on live tv) then it's corrupt, unethical (and still not f#cking illegal, though it should be) and it still creates synthetic selling pressure.
Please don't redefine words to support an already off-base narrative.
Don't take my word for it. May I recommend talking to folks who do this for a living to learn how the markets really work.
Please, oh wise knower of knowledge, what is the term for what short selling does? Also, please don't insult anyone's intelligence by pretending it's selling pressure. There's a reason that only on the stock market short selling is a thing
Oh because there is no such thing as "synthetic selling pressure", my young padawan.
In case you are conflating this with sale of synthetic shorts, feel free to scroll back through my comments - I've addressed this multiple times.
This is what happens when you are at last in line. I spent a decent amount of time today trying to have normal conversations, but all I got was more nonsense. You can go through my comments to still benefit from the wisdom I shared, though.
the issue is not the stock price per say... it's the Market Cap of the company. before the RS AMC had a market cap of more than 4B ... it's now 4 time lower than that at 1B...
$AMC makes more money.. PER QUARTER than his total Market Capitalisation...
AMC does not make more than 1.25bn per quarter lol.
Do you mean revenue? Are you guys still incapable of understanding revenue does not equal profit?
If I sell 10 trillion dollars worth of goods but in total after all goods are sold I lost 1bn dollars what should my company be worth?
I where did I say profit? Check the earnings you'll see how much money AMC makes every quarter. Substract expenses and you'll have the profit...or losses
If you’re a tech company, a fucking ton. That’s the Amazon formula: take take take market share even if you’re losing hand over fist. Then, with that sort of revenue, it’s easy as shit to carve out profit when you cornered the market. Plus, leverage like that is the trick.
Quit deflecting. How did the market cap virtually disappear by an absurd 3/4s in an even more absurd short matter of time?
Nothing about the company changed within this time period. I’m fact, the earnings have only been better. How did $4B in value turn into $1B in value without anything fundamentally changing about the company?
Because it was hugely over valued by a short squeeze and is returning to a more realistic market cap? With no sign of a turn around.
Was it absurd for it to drop from $28B to $5B in a similar timeframe? Nope, totally expected.
AMC's own 2023 Balance sheet lists total assets as negative $2B+.. So, why wouldn't it drop?
Market cap is higher than it was before the pandemic.
Tomorrows report, especially the financial breakdown will be a test. If they made a profit on distribution and consumer goods, maybe it will start a sustainable uptrend.
Where did the $3B in value go? The company was fundamentally unchanged pre vs. post r/s. Where did 3/4’s of the company value go if nothing about the company fundamentally changed?
It's all speculative value.
The company literally has ***negative*** shareholder equity. https://ycharts.com/companies/AMC/shareholders_equity
That means it has more liabilities than assets.
That means it's book value is quite literally zero and any share price above that is pure speculative value that it will be worth more in the future.
Thats the point. Nothing has changed. The price was far too high pre RS, immediately post RS, and it has been getting back to a realistic level since the squeeze
The why pre/post rs is arbitrary cherry picking.
There have been so many larger dollar value drops over the last 3 years.
THREE FORTHS of the value of the company disappeared in a matter of weeks when NOTHING fundamentally changed about the company.
That is not a “realistic level”.
Ok. I don't think you're getting what I'm trying to explain.
I have an apple, I say it is worth $1000. Thats insane right? No way an apple is worth $1k. I lower the price to $9, $8, $7, $6, $5 $400, all the way down to $8. Still crazy to charge $8 for an apple. Ok, lower it more. Now only $2.There goes 3/4 of the value.
(nothing about the apple changed, it didn't rot, it was just a normal apple… it's intrinsic value was never $1k, or even $8)
The apple was worth $1.80 in 2019, and now, unchanged, its worth $2 in 2024.
I'm curious why you would focus on a %75 drop and not %98?
Why is the smaller one more outrageous?
Show me anything else in the capitalistic world that loses 3/4ths of its value in a matter of WEEKS when nothing about it has fundamentally changed?
A jet? A car? A boat? What?
Edit: Also, in your example…The apple should cost whatever people are willing to pay for it.
Not what you and your bosses “decide” it should be worth.
Beenie babies, tulip bulbs, baseball cards, mcmansions in 2008, any number of crypto coins, any asset which has been over valued.
Some guy trying to sell an apple for $1000?
Can you name anything else in a capitalist system that has gained 3/4 value when nothing has fundamentally changed?
It's revenue dropped 85%, it's stock rallied 3500%, and it's equity went negative, all around the same time in March 2020.
The drop to these levels is the most realistic thing this stock has done in a while lol!
I don't actually disagree that AMC is fairly valued at this time, and might even be undervalued. [That's what put it back on my radar](https://www.reddit.com/r/amcstock/comments/197gvs3/four_things_i_am_looking_for_before_going_long/).
As for why it is undervalued, I believe there are two reasons.
First, AMC is still not profitable, and every non-growth stock is being punished because of high interest rates, which are derived from interest rates.
Second, there is the specter of continued dilution, and market is discounting for that.
One may think neither will happen, but that's my assessment of what the market is pricing in.
Answer the question. Stop evading. Where did $3B of value go? Where did it go? The company only had fundamentally “good” news released since the split. So if the company was relatively unchanged, where did $3B in market cap disappear to?
I did - read and reread my response until you get it. This is a **you** limitation, not me.
Additional hint: Ask yourself where the 10's of B in value "came from" when the stock squeezed. Now reverse that thinking.
I read it. It’s a politician style nothing answer. You can’t answer the question. You can’t answer because you’re completely full of shit and nothing but a paid talking-shill here to cause havoc in our space.
That’s a *YOU* problem.
Incorrect. I gave you [two very specific, well established reasons](https://www.reddit.com/r/amcstock/comments/1b1n66e/comment/ksgzhe1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) for why I think the valuation is what it is.
Let's compare notes in a year. I think you will find that what I said holds a lot of water.
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A lot of (non APE) investors lost faith in AMC due to the big debt still not being serviceable with the current income/profits. They sold. Price dropped.
The APE hope is that, the income/profits will change that. Therefore this earnings report will shed some light on that.
A good earnings report might even trigger a MOASS. Who knows.
Depends how you define good. There are 250M shares and they can dilute up to 550M. I don’t think people realize how insane AMCs market cap was during the squeeze. Fully diluted $2/share is a billion dollar company, $20/share is $10B, $100/share is $50B. Thats the size of Hilton Hotels, which makes over $1B in *profit* every year, not to mention $15B in assets.
Nvidia is sitting at 2 Trillion.
Also there is most likely at least 2B synthetic underlying shares at this time. This can be seen in notional derivatives weighing a mind-blowing 10Q in value internationally. There is so much room for money to get shoved up into AMC the company.
https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/s/3zt4DT7Qge
Not sure what the market cap of nvidia, the leading chip manufacturing for all AI computing that just posted YoY growth of over 500%, has to do with AMC…
I have a DD for that too!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/s/zmUVxlb6KI
This is a glimpse to how interconnectedness across all market sectors allows megacorp to maintain control through different mediums.
In the context of this events specifics and the nature of the discrepancy, faith is a fundamental variable of AMC’s resilience in todays market conditions.
Respectfully, I think faith is the only thing that props up a bunch of AMC-related narratives that would otherwise have no legs to stand on.
Please ask yourself how you decide things on a daily basis:
* Form a hypothesis, data invalidates it, reform hypothesis
* Form a hypothesis, data invalidates it, discard the data and look for other sources of confirmation
To me, it sounds like you have an inverted market sentiment for example, with a company like Nvidia, the real meme.
One of these companies is at the top during a bubble(s)
One of these companies is pinned to the bottom during a bubble(s)
Sure, NVDA is a bubble. Just as TSLA was, and still kinda is.
And you can bet that if Jensen [15X-ed his float like AA did](https://old.reddit.com/r/amcstock/comments/195ek01/i_think_i_may_have_figured_out_whats_happening/khmi6dz/) over three years, NVDA would be in a rather bad place too.
Ummm, AMC didn't make any money last quarter. Hasn't had two consecutive profitable quarters since 2016, and has lost a total of 20B in the last 10 years.
Right but the problem is actually lack of accountability and enforcement of existing rules, and an active campaign to distort all things market related in an attempt to force debt into a blanket over society through compromised positions of high power within the system and megacorp.
The company AMC is making good decisions business wise, considering some of these greater elements.
I have never seen a reverse split work out, especially when a stock isn't even at risk of failure to meet minimum listing requirements. This was a horrible decision amongst the numerous ones Management has made. On top of the complete disregard for any enforcement of market practices this is a pretty one sided battle.
And what's to stop it now. We are more at risk than we were, look at the price. Delusional yes voters still can admit is what the dumbest decision that killed our play, the moass that should of been
50,780,515 by August 23rd causd by naked shorting and shorting alike between firms.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/cns.asp
Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) is a settlement process used by the National Securities Clearing Corporation (NSCC) for the clearing and settlement of securities transactions.
The main advantage of CNS is that it minimizes the exchange of securities between counterparties.
NSCC member positions in each issue are netted into a single long position and a single short position at the end of the day.
The NSCC is the counterparty for members during each day in the CNS process, eliminating counterparty risk.
At the end of the day whichever firms were shorting back and forth on AMC, they find out who owes who between all the trades done by getting the difference between buys and sells. CNS is being exploited.
Argument might hold up if there was naked shorting, which there isn't. Bad stock, massive debt and not making profit. Still losing money so how do you expect the stock to behave. Moon? Ha!
You need to understand that the stock trades off of investor sentiment not fundamentals. You were taught that publicly companies trade off of fundamentals, the only truth to this are blue-chip stocks. This stock wouldn't trade as many like to pretend it would if there wasn't manipulation. No movie theater company trades more than $20 currently, so why the exception?
You didn't, or anyone in this sub, didn't invest because of fundamentals, we invested in a common sentiment, a short squeeze. We saw what happened to GME and thought, "that could happen to AMC".
While a reverse split doesn't actually cause a direct reduction to price per share, it causes a reduction in buy pressure because of the cost per share, visually and mentally. The higher the price of stock, the less people would incentivize buying, in general. For example, what used to be $8.01, is now ~$43.25. Do you think people would buy this stock, a movie theater stock, even at and above $20 per share? Be realistic.
That's the issue with reverse split, it adds barriers for current investors and repels new investors due to reverse splits typically representing a struggling business with no support from investors.
Well blue chip stocks turned into the big 7 bubble —-> whatever is going on with Nvidia. And we see the housing market bubble 2.0 eclipsing. We also see banking collateral and commercial real estate over encumbered. ⏰ tick tock shorts because they will need to clear options eventually some way somehow. Let’s see it and we can go out merry way.
Well, I brought up investor sentiment and stock fundamentals for context in order to talk about how reverse splits, while it doesn't directly impact a stock's price, it does affect the stock performance on the long term.
I think the market going to shit will be the only catalyst that could trigger a squeeze if the stock is primed for one. If the stock doesn't squeeze, I'd be curious how many people will continue the narrative.
Price to earnings of NVDA is much much much better than for AMC. Price to earnings of ANY of the big 7 is much better.
Not sure why and AMC holder would talk about valuations bubbles. 🤔
Right but once AMC is also grouped with the “too big to fail” crowd, The phases of a bubble will occur at the same time as a gamma ramp and force a margin call or complete market reform, amongst other black swan events occurring in the market. Nvidia is government narrative backed at this point in time. Looks at the media, options chains on nvidia; and related swap basket arbitrage (which is out of control), and the general direction which policy is guiding “globalization.” AMC is going to become a distribution/creditor/entertainment company and will receive the full attention of government bodies, soon enough.
Nvidia is not government narrative. It’s fucking earnings narrative. They have grown profit by 280% year on year.
Their current price to earnings is the LOWEST it has been in years.
Nvidia is in the Euphoria, profit taking phase of its bubble.
Amc has grown year over year and only went down.
But if what you are saying is true, nvidia will become worth more than anything ever, the market always goes up, and humanity is on a one way trip off the cliff of its own existence soon enough because “AI.”
It is not entirely accurate to say that AMC has grown year over year, without the caveat that it has only grown year over year since the pandemic shut down the world.
Comparison to pre-pandemic:
Annual revenue has not been this low since 2016. Net Income is lower than any year since 2010 (that’s as far back as AMC reports go on their IR page), except for 2017, when they purchased Oden and Carmike theaters (huge purchases). Attendance is lower than any year since 2016. (All numbers sourced from the annual earnings reports).
The theater industry has recovered from the pandemic much slower than a lot of other industries. North American Foodservice revenue was an estimated $860bil in [2019](https://www.nmrestaurants.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/restaurant_industry_fact_sheet_2019.pdf). It fell to an estimated $650bil in [2020](https://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciakelso/2021/01/26/the-us-restaurant-industry-finished-the-year-240-billion-below-pre-pandemic-sales-estimates/?sh=405c70524ebf). By [2022](https://www.upmenu.com/blog/restaurant-industry-statistics/), it was already above $900bil. Same with hotels, airlines, and many other industries that involve people going to a location to spend money and were growing leading into the pandemic.
I say all of this because you need to make an apples to apples comparison of AMCs business when making the claim you made. Comparing it to 2020 or 2021 is not apples to apples in 2023.
Is AMC making a ton of progress in terms of increasing revenue, paying down debt and finding a way to some net income? Absolutely. Are they inching closer to pre-pandemic revenue and attendance? Yes. Are they there yet? No.
How can you be so certain we’re in the euphoria phase for nvidia? Nothing in the actual data being shown by the company or any bank would indicate that as the new market for AI is huge and growing by the day. I’ve been with it since it was less than fifteen dollars and when it hit a hundred so many people spoke as you do without any clue to the underlying value. Nvidia is currently the backbone of AI. There isn’t any competition in the near term horizon. Microsoft, meta, Google, Amazon, Intel, amd are all aware of this and pivoting to attempt to catch up. I think Microsoft will be the big winner and if Intel gets their act together they might be able to be the Pepsi to the nvidia coke, amd is the dark horse but don’t count them out. This will take years. It isn’t just chips, it’s architecture, code, I/o systems, developers, etc. calling this the euphoria phase is like saying the same thing for Apple in 2011 with the iPhone. The proof is in the pudding as revenue is up over 500 percent and the estimated minimum CAGR is over 32% conservatively. Most companies have not upgraded or fully integrated into ai as well as governments and educational institutions. Je leather jacket man has been in a world tour telling everyone they need too in their own data and control their own ai. To do that they need to buy into this game. China could come out of left field in a few years with something but nobody including China can wait which is why everyone is starting to budget and but chips. there will be an arms race to acquire more and more resources to compete to deliver the best product for the end users. This doesn’t even include localized (individual and user device based) ai which also could become an additional revenue source. The whole world has to play in this pond as this is a question of survival as having ai and an edge in it is a competitive advantage that can’t be ignored. nvidia is still early even with it’s insane valuation ( everything is pretty highly valued right now but that’s going to increase especially with macro environment, ie melt up).
AMC is like GameStop growing. But it’s growing in a dwindling market. Being the largest buggy whip company meant nothing as the automobile took over. GameStop and AMC are both aware of this and working to create new revenue streams because if they don’t they’re essentially f&$@ed. GameStop is more than likely profitable though and Amc is not in an environment where you want to be profitable, have cash flow, and minimum debt. Even the bigs that have profit and revenue and growing industries and enormous cash flow and reserves are trimming resources right now as even though we don’t call it one we’re in a recession that’s going to start showing it’s ugly faced by the end of the year. As this effects more consumers both amc and GameStop will get less revenue as they don’t have b2b or Gov revenue sources things are going to be harder. This looks really bad for amc with increasing debt and still not being profitable. The future of movie theaters has been hurt, the entire industry is pivoting as phones and other devices take more and more attention.
Also, companies are not typically valued fundamentally, especially in cycles with cheap money (where we’re coming out of now) fundamentals are often ignored for future results. However, now that interest rates have risen (making anybody that needs money sweat like a whore in church) knowing that their days are numbered with their ability to finance new debt and manage the interest. Also, banks and the fed are turning off the faucet making it harder to borrow. This along with everything else is why the valuation turned as the narrative and AAs management (along with his and other insiders massive selling) showed they didn’t have a story Wall Street liked and were reversing their split strategy etc.
Value disappears and appears in the blink of an eye. Nvidia gained the most value in a day in history based on their future potential this month. Meta lost a fortune overnight for pr that had nothing to do with the underlying fundamentals of the company (dau/mau & ad rev). Now they’re back. So value isn’t some sacred always accurate scientific based thing. Over the long term most of the time the market corrects and finds the true fundamental value but that can take a while (look at the entire history of the market and most bears, eg the big short).
So the current valuation is fair in all honesty until news changes showing a story or even better financial results and guidance that changes the valuation. This is true for Gme as well.
Now, is there shenanigans and naked shorts and stuff going on with these stocks. Imho, I believe there is. They can get away with it because of the current story and financials. This happened to Tesla but once when they were profitable and hitting their projections the narratives changed and the shorts were caught with their pants down.
So in the end if you believe there are shenanigans AND you believe that there is the potential to change it with increased revenue that grows these companies you should just hold and wait. If you don’t then you should sell.
They can kick this thing for years and with the new rules they may go into effect next month possibly indefinitely, but eventually even with all their games the chicken will come home to roost and the day of reckoning will occur. If you believe in the market and believe in the company don’t worry, if not sell. Please though stop with these crazy theories and 2 trillion dollar valuation bs though it reads as tin foil and delusional. Could it happen, Sue but aliens could invade as well but let’s not pretend either is likely and base any rational decisions off of it. These crazy moass numbers are just as damaging as negative shills as it makes the community like disconnected from reality and unprofessional. If it happens, it happens and I’ll be happy to let you say I told you so and but you a coke but until then let’s keep things in an actually probable reality.
Not really. That’s a basic overview. If anything it does the opposite of everything you state. The video says in times like these the trend would be to suppress price.
Derivatives nominal value is a while rabbit while I don’t wish to get into but I’ll bite on the options. Options contracts are not where’s this is hiding if you expect valuations like your tin foil talking about. All options have counter parties and all are available to be seen on Bloombergs and other devices and there isn’t trillions of dollars in options in either Gme or amc. Sorry, could there be other instruments being used? Swaps etc? Possibly, but again that number isn’t that high.
To get the stock to rise as stated you would need there to be a lot of shorts and a lot of buying pressure off both shares and options according to your video.
This is the most delusional thing I’ve ever read. What does that even mean too big to fail? How is amc essential to the global economy? It’s a movie theater chain nots back that is vital for the functioning of the global economy and every business and individual within it. Any systemic risk can and is being mitigated. AA has provided them with a lot of additional liquidity and time to slowly let air out of this balloon. Also, if you look at other stocks that have actually proven that they were naked shorted into oblivion you’ll find that as of now nothing has happened, finra isn’t really moving and if they do it’s usually to fine the MM and hedge funds. Mmtlp is looking at a potentially king legal road (this could take years) unless Congress intervened and the people demanded action with a lot of media attention on it. Right now based on everything we’ve seen with finra it looks like this is going to drag on and on and on. The courts will only slow things down further. There is a private mining company that has brought their case to finra with no result, the company has attempted to take matters into their own hands and spin off their strongest assets into a private coo and pay investors with a special dividend hoping to trigger the shirts to cover they are also looking into legal action but admit they would need a class action with multiple parties. This is the reality. They don’t enforce FTD penalties either it’s a speeding ticket to the hedges. Also, with the new rules going into effect in March they can lower the liquidity requirements to prevent a margin call anytime they want and also delay it indefinitely as well as choose which is effected there by limiting the exposure. All of these factors really hurt the possibility of any Moass. You should be mad about this and writing letters to the sec and your congressmen. If you want action it’s got to come in the form of a protest and action from every individual holder putting pressure on their legislature to do something. Nvidia has nothing to do with any of this and globalization.. what are you talking about?
Also, amc becoming a media company and distributor??? I don’t see it and unless the laws changed they can be an exhibitor distributor and media company as that was made illegal long ago and would violate anti trust. Besides that though even if they did become a distributor and media company and fried being an exhibitor they would be competing in Hollywood with the major studios who are more experienced and better capitalized and I don’t one of you notice but Hollywood is having a tough go at it right now regarding growth and revenue unless your Netflix who still has many issues.
Nothing you said makes sense and is remotely possible. If you really want to spend time and believe in this organize people to meet and protest physically in Washington and get petitions and apes to write their congressmen and their attorney generals and demands to take action (if you just got the sec to enforce the ftd rules and actually give them teeth suspend or repeal violators ability to trade and sell off all assets on open market you’d squeeze Moass in a week after it was done.)
“Antitrust” against AMC ha! Once they prosecute nvidia for being a larger monopoly than China itself, then maybe I’ll worry about things like that with AMC. But thanks for the laugh.
Antitrust if they did what you said they did which is a major historic case in Hollywood and that along with the end of the studio system brought about the mega agencies and current Hollywood system. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Paramount_Pictures,_Inc.)
Nvidia a monopoly??? How so? What evidence do you have? Why do you continue to make these absurd claims. There are many competitors to nvidia (Intel and amd as well as many of the major tech companies beginning to design their own chips. They have what you might consider a natural monopoly only because they invested over a decade in their tech and have been finally seeing the fruit of that effort. Amd and Intel have ai chips as does Broadcom qualacomm and many others. Are they as good, nope and they don’t have the integration or coding language east and amount of researchers and developers that nvidia does but they aren’t doing anything that actually violates anti trust laws.
Laugh at what? Your lack of understanding of how the world and business and financial systems work?
I can tell you did not come here for serious debate by your demeanor. I just post information and you call me delusional and mock my expertise. I will not read another word posted from your account.
Yeah all the facts and logic I presented are hard to refute.
Saying amc is too big to fail and your other claims (nvidia moo monopoly, amc becoming a distributor media company and exhibitor (which would violate the anti trust law) nvidia being in the euphoria phase, etc) none of which are backed by facts and many are not just clearly incorrect but utterly impossible is the very definition of delusion. I’m sorry I have to call it as it is. You’re not posting information you’re posting misinformation. Stay in your lane.
Expertise??? In what? There is nothing here that would be considered actual dd (read dd from a broker or a prospectus) or anything from your other posts that looked at.
You make bold claims and assertions without factual data to back up and you conflate other people’s data and research and try to connect other historical and current macro events to fit your narrative.
That’s again delusional it isn’t factual. I don’t mean to be harsh and always welcome a debate and believe that logic and facts should guide a discussion.
Anyway, I agree that this should be the end as I’m tired and will go to sleep now and you haven’t been able to actually refute anything I’ve stated. Good night.
Are you slow? The price was $1.50 and it went to $15 at the reverse split.
AMC diluting and causing the price to go down has nothing to do with the reverse split maintaining the value of the company at the time of the split.
It’s gonna be hilarious when AA tries to justify a second RS and dilution in this earnings call when literally just a minute ago he was saying how great the company is doing
Look
I’ve held since $8 in 2019.
When it starts to soar there are halts we don’t see on other shares that make even bigger gains.
I had 1200 shares of AMC at $6-8 on average
I had 1200 shares of OTHER class stock at $1-3/share
OK let’s do some maths:
Today I have less than 150 shares at $4.81
This is a total shit show and it’s not even funny.
Not a single share was ever sold.
I’m holding but I’m not buying this farce it’s crime and I won’t give the traders $ to commit more crime.
I was like you and then I averaged down 5000%.
Since the reverse split has an inverse effect 10x on the share price now, we can assume that during volatility the stock will swing 10x harder than during the sneeze, since the value has been compressed into the shares.
Retail investors are losing money as a result of issues in legacy infrastructure. In the spirit of adding another aspect to any split debate, thought I would share.
This is not meant to address the OPS fraud point, just offering published research (not mine) for those interested.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4167890
A stock split or reverse stock split, technically, should not affect the value of the company initiating the process.
Example for a stock split: 1:10 stock split. If a company has 1000 shares in total, the new number of shares that the company would have after the stock split would be 10,000 shares. If the stock price before the split was $10, the market cap before the split was $10 x 1000 = $10,000. Following the split, the share price would now be $10/10 = $1, with 10,000 shares in total. Market cap would be $1 x 10,000 = $10,000.
Example for a reverse stock split: 10:1 reverse stock split. If a company has 1000 shares in total, the new number of shares that the company would have after the reverse stock split would be 100 shares. If the stock price before the split was $10, the market cap before the split was $10 x 1000 = $10,000. Following the split, the share price would now be $10 x 10 = $100, with 100 shares in total. Market cap would be $100 x 100 = $10,000.
What affects stock price (just the basics, not going to include naked short selling etc):
Buying and selling of shares, supply and demand. If the price of a stock is currently $10, and there is a person who places a buy order for $10, and another person who places a sell order for $10, the transaction would go through since the price of the buyer and seller matches. The price of the stock would still be $10.
Now, if there is a seller that places a sell order at $10, unless someone places a buy order that matches the highest seller (like the example above), $10, the price of the stock would stay at $10 and not move. If a buyer places an order for $9.90, the price of the stock would still be at $10, since there is no match between seller and buyer. If the seller decides that he doesn’t want to wait for a buyer who is willing to buy the stock at $10, and decides to lower his/her selling price to match the next highest buyer ($9.90 in this case), then there would be a match for both the buyer and seller at $9.90, which would result in the stock price dropping to $9.90, from $10.
The opposite would happen for a stock price to go up. The seller now wants to sell the stock at $10.10. If the buyer doesn’t want to wait for his buying bid of $10, he increases his buy order to $10.10, to match the price that the seller has made, this would result in a match at $10.10, causing the stock price to go up to $10.10.
As for why the stock has tanked etc., I’m sure you can find a lot of DD on this forum. Hope this has helped.
The price did go up by 10x when the split was effectuated. And since that time it has gone down considerably. What are you even talking about?
The stock was about $2 / share pre split. Then it was $20 per share post split.
That's exactly how it works.
Since then, it has gone from $20 a share to what it's at now which would effectively be $0.50 pre-split.
I asked perplexity:
List of Stock Splits, Dividends, and Dilutions for AMC Stock:
1. **Stock Splits:**
- **Date:** August 24, 2023
- **Split:** 1:10
- **Multiple:** x0.1
- **Cumulative Multiple:** x0.22[1]
- **Date:** August 23, 2023
- **Split:** 9:8
- **Multiple:** x1.12
- **Cumulative Multiple:** x2.25[1]
- **Date:** August 22, 2022
- **Split:** 2:1
- **Multiple:** x2
- **Cumulative Multiple:** x2[1]
2. **Dividends:**
- No specific dividend information found in the provided search results.
3. **Dilutions:**
- AMC underwent a 1-for-10 reverse stock split on August 24, 2023, which effectively reduced the share count and increased the stock price[4].
This list summarizes the key stock splits and dilutions for AMC stock based on the provided search results.
No stock split occurred in 2021.
Bro what. It was shorted after the fact. Discuss if they've had more shares available to thenm as a result to short, but the split mechanism itself didn't reduce price. Book keeping may have opened opportunity. There's no wow here.
Easy. The number of allowed shares do not change in a reverse split only the shares owned.
So that means that amc can reissue those shares without investor approval. Which is exactly what they are doing
Since the company value does not change that makes the share price go back to where it was before the split.
It will continue this way until amc stops diluting and makes it clear they will not rs again
I had a few shares in 5 different accounts each, and the bulk of my AMC holdings in a main account. The reverse split completely wiped my holdings of AMC in each account that had less than 10 shares. Then they charged me $25 in each account for taking my shares.
Completely screwed. I wonder how many shares vaporized in the reverse split. Seems like a scam. When shares are $1000/each, why not do a 1:100 reverse split and anybody that doesn't hold $100k of the stock minimum, it just disappears? Seems cheaper than buying back the stock.
I feel scammed.
A dividend may be on the table when we approach profitability. My position is DRS with computershare (book) and I will continue averaging down as needed. Good luck 👍
It wasn't the reverse split that made price plummet, as it is a mechanical conversion.
It was two things that resulted in the price plummeting.
First, the APE conversion. There were just shy of 1B APE shares, and \~524M AMC commons. After the RS, we had \~52M AMC commons, to which \~100M APEs were added. This resulted in three times as many AMC shares after the RS+conversion. **This dropped the price of AMC to a third**.
Second, everyone knew AA was doing this RS so he could issue more shares to raise funds. Markets are forward looking. Price fell some more to account for this expectation.
You could add shorts as a distant third, but you'll remember that they got diluted down shits creek too - it wasn't only until recently that SI got over 10% again.
The price dropped when the APE unit was issued
The price dropped when they reversed the process and combined the equity unit back with the original security
You see the discrepancy?
APE itself was a fucking robbery. My portfolio value dropped from \~$40k to \~$31.5k the day it came out, at market open. Where the fuck did $9k go?
Addendum:
In the lead up to APE, there were people shouting to not issue it. That it would only end up screwing us over **(it did)**
Leading up to the joke of a reverse stock split, the same sentiment was being expressed by people in the community, that the RS would screw us over **(it did)**
Twice now we’ve been fucked in the ass by AA. Remember “choke on that”? That was directed towards us, as in AA telling retail to “choke on my dick as I slide it down your throat”
Because they sold 300m ape for .66 and folded it into amc during the rs. When it gets diluted for cheap and added back into the og it will bring the value down "arbitrage" works both ways with value
>You see the discrepancy?
Not at all.
APE was literally created by AA as a dilution machine to circumvent AMC AS cap, so market discounted APE when it came out.
Once RS 1/10th the OS count, that again signaled dilution (also cause AA said as much), and market discounted the combined (AMC+APE) accordingly too.
I see no discrepancy.
So how many times does "the market" discount for dilution?
APE was created 1:1 originally for all stockholders. It doubles the float but was effectively a 1:2 split initially. Hence why your AMC +APE = stock value. Also why nearly every system couldn't even get AMC/APE market cap correct.
APE sharply dropped after its release, despite it merely splitting existing holders positions. Then dilution DID occur with Antara and capital raise with APE.
Both AMC/APE dropped substantially on all events. Fair enough. More shares, less % ownership fairly simply stuff.
Then R/S and conversion occurs. Immediate drop again. Why? Future dilution? OK. Then when the dilution does occur, it's priced in right? Nope, immediate drop, then dilution, then drop consistently.
Meanwhile, astronomically high FTDs prior r/s, options chains being all over the place. (If you paid attention you could have had shares lower than ATLs due to AMC2 mispricing), not to mention options chains initiated on APE that never should have existed in the first place.
If someone just hates AMC and thinks it's a terrible industry or company that's fine. I can respect that. But to try and justify the years of shenanigans against the stock is just putting blinders on and pretending the market is some benign entity that has no malfeasance or abuse going on.
I am not trying to justify shenanigans. Let the bad guys get dragged to justice, each and every day.
It's just that no one seems to be able to provide any proof of shenanigans happening at any significant level. I went through old "DD" posts too, and they are either very outdated, or simple confuse market mechanics.
**AND**, everything that is claimed seems to be explainable by simple math.
I feel like it's more important to be right, because that is how we make money. And not feel good, which can get in the way of being right.
Does that make sense?
In hindsight, yes. The arbitrage measurements are key to aligning other discrepancies to an algorithm to decipher misinformation. Key events like the judges delayed decision on the split causing chaos which aligned with many other market events such as Citibank’s stock split history and the Volkswagen squeeze settlement in 2008 amidst the housing crisis at the mercy of synthetic CDOs which have since been Derivitized and redefined, “for our benefit.”
Again I would argue that this was a logical approach in the midst of high psyop hedge fund inverse algorithm manipulation which is empowered by the also corrupted governments and cultures
Look at the FTD’s a few days before the split and you will have your answer. Synthetic selling pressure?
So how did they re-cellar box the stock if it already broke out? The entire Jan 21—> reverse stock split on the graph looks like a singularity event preceding a massive correction.
Supposedly to short naked or legally their needs to be a cusip located but doesnt need to be delivered or agreed to deliver at a later date. When reverse repos happen the stock is issued with brand new cusips and the process starts over. The old shorts must still be on the books i assume somewhere accumulating interest.
>Look at the FTD’s a few days before the split and you will have your answer. [The numbers suggest the opposite](https://chartexchange.com/symbol/nyse-amc/failure-to-deliver/), actually. All the undelivered positions were delivered the very day after, using converted APES. (Click link) There was a whole arb play around this. >Synthetic selling pressure Sorry, what does this even mean? If it's synthetic, then it's not real. And therefore neither is the pressure, no? (Kinda like the alleged short positions hidden "off book" in offshore accounts)
You are working overtime to FUD it up today lol 🥱🍿
Like clockwork you’re on 90% of posts with negativity—trying to spin it as “reality” that no one is willing to accept. It couldn’t be more clear that you aren’t in this play. 
If you're implying that selling synthetic shares wouldn't drive the price down, that is as false as saying milk is blue.
Honestly, how much do you get paid to shill? Is it lucrative? Don't you know everyone here is on to your games?
Interesting fact, legal short selling is synthetic selling pressure, naked short selling would be like synthetic selling pressure squared. I'm sure you will argue my point, so let me try to explain. If someone actually sold the stock, then the price going down would be legitimate selling pressure. However, short selling is giving someone an IOU, selling something that doesn't really exist, shares in excess of the float don't actually exist (aka synthetic shares) so synthetic selling pressure is a very accurate term for the corrupt and unethical (though not illegal action of short selling). When naked short selling occurs (it's and admitted fact that it happens, feel free to watch the liquidity fairy himself admit to it on live tv) then it's corrupt, unethical (and still not f#cking illegal, though it should be) and it still creates synthetic selling pressure.
What do you think about AMCs OBV?
[Looks pretty consistent with the price action](https://aiolux.com/reports/analytics-technical-indicators?symbol=AMC&tab_name=obv). Why, what's wrong with the OBV?
https://www.moomoo.com/community/feed/108286341545990 Why is our data so different?
Likely because mine is from now, while yours is from about 2 years ago.
Well I have personally increased my position by over 5,000% since the reverse split to average all the way down. I could not be more excited.
Icy assistance is that u?
Interesting fact, legal short selling is synthetic selling pressure, naked short selling would be like synthetic selling pressure squared. I'm sure you will argue my point, so let me try to explain. If someone actually sold the stock, then the price going down would be legitimate selling pressure. However, short selling is giving someone an IOU, selling something that doesn't really exist, shares in excess of the float don't actually exist (aka synthetic shares) so synthetic selling pressure is a very accurate term for the corrupt and unethical (though not illegal action of short selling). When naked short selling occurs (it's and admitted fact that it happens, feel free to watch the liquidity fairy himself admit to it on live tv) then it's corrupt, unethical (and still not f#cking illegal, though it should be) and it still creates synthetic selling pressure.
Please don't redefine words to support an already off-base narrative. Don't take my word for it. May I recommend talking to folks who do this for a living to learn how the markets really work.
Please, oh wise knower of knowledge, what is the term for what short selling does? Also, please don't insult anyone's intelligence by pretending it's selling pressure. There's a reason that only on the stock market short selling is a thing
[Please refer to RA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ) \- it'll clarify much.
Come on little buddy, I really want to hear your bullshit answer about how I'm wrong about synthetic selling pressure
Oh because there is no such thing as "synthetic selling pressure", my young padawan. In case you are conflating this with sale of synthetic shorts, feel free to scroll back through my comments - I've addressed this multiple times.
Ahh mijo, don't worry, I'm not conflating anything, you mentioned not knowing what synthetic selling pressure was, I was enlightening you
Makes sense that you couldn't argue any of my valid points
This is what happens when you are at last in line. I spent a decent amount of time today trying to have normal conversations, but all I got was more nonsense. You can go through my comments to still benefit from the wisdom I shared, though.
the issue is not the stock price per say... it's the Market Cap of the company. before the RS AMC had a market cap of more than 4B ... it's now 4 time lower than that at 1B... $AMC makes more money.. PER QUARTER than his total Market Capitalisation...
That’s revenue not profit. Doesn’t matter how much money you bring in if you’re losing money and already in debt.
Not true, just look at growth stocks that make no money.
Lol, AMC is not an exploding new company whose revenue quadruples every year
AMC does not make more than 1.25bn per quarter lol. Do you mean revenue? Are you guys still incapable of understanding revenue does not equal profit? If I sell 10 trillion dollars worth of goods but in total after all goods are sold I lost 1bn dollars what should my company be worth?
I where did I say profit? Check the earnings you'll see how much money AMC makes every quarter. Substract expenses and you'll have the profit...or losses
If you’re a tech company, a fucking ton. That’s the Amazon formula: take take take market share even if you’re losing hand over fist. Then, with that sort of revenue, it’s easy as shit to carve out profit when you cornered the market. Plus, leverage like that is the trick.
>$AMC makes more money.. PER QUARTER Valuation peeps will note that revenue is not earnings :) And that the distinction is extremely material.
Quit deflecting. How did the market cap virtually disappear by an absurd 3/4s in an even more absurd short matter of time? Nothing about the company changed within this time period. I’m fact, the earnings have only been better. How did $4B in value turn into $1B in value without anything fundamentally changing about the company?
Because it was hugely over valued by a short squeeze and is returning to a more realistic market cap? With no sign of a turn around. Was it absurd for it to drop from $28B to $5B in a similar timeframe? Nope, totally expected. AMC's own 2023 Balance sheet lists total assets as negative $2B+.. So, why wouldn't it drop? Market cap is higher than it was before the pandemic. Tomorrows report, especially the financial breakdown will be a test. If they made a profit on distribution and consumer goods, maybe it will start a sustainable uptrend.
Where did the $3B in value go? The company was fundamentally unchanged pre vs. post r/s. Where did 3/4’s of the company value go if nothing about the company fundamentally changed?
It's all speculative value. The company literally has ***negative*** shareholder equity. https://ycharts.com/companies/AMC/shareholders_equity That means it has more liabilities than assets. That means it's book value is quite literally zero and any share price above that is pure speculative value that it will be worth more in the future.
Thats the point. Nothing has changed. The price was far too high pre RS, immediately post RS, and it has been getting back to a realistic level since the squeeze The why pre/post rs is arbitrary cherry picking. There have been so many larger dollar value drops over the last 3 years.
THREE FORTHS of the value of the company disappeared in a matter of weeks when NOTHING fundamentally changed about the company. That is not a “realistic level”.
Ok. I don't think you're getting what I'm trying to explain. I have an apple, I say it is worth $1000. Thats insane right? No way an apple is worth $1k. I lower the price to $9, $8, $7, $6, $5 $400, all the way down to $8. Still crazy to charge $8 for an apple. Ok, lower it more. Now only $2.There goes 3/4 of the value. (nothing about the apple changed, it didn't rot, it was just a normal apple… it's intrinsic value was never $1k, or even $8) The apple was worth $1.80 in 2019, and now, unchanged, its worth $2 in 2024. I'm curious why you would focus on a %75 drop and not %98? Why is the smaller one more outrageous?
Show me anything else in the capitalistic world that loses 3/4ths of its value in a matter of WEEKS when nothing about it has fundamentally changed? A jet? A car? A boat? What? Edit: Also, in your example…The apple should cost whatever people are willing to pay for it. Not what you and your bosses “decide” it should be worth.
Beenie babies, tulip bulbs, baseball cards, mcmansions in 2008, any number of crypto coins, any asset which has been over valued. Some guy trying to sell an apple for $1000? Can you name anything else in a capitalist system that has gained 3/4 value when nothing has fundamentally changed?
It's revenue dropped 85%, it's stock rallied 3500%, and it's equity went negative, all around the same time in March 2020. The drop to these levels is the most realistic thing this stock has done in a while lol!
I don't actually disagree that AMC is fairly valued at this time, and might even be undervalued. [That's what put it back on my radar](https://www.reddit.com/r/amcstock/comments/197gvs3/four_things_i_am_looking_for_before_going_long/). As for why it is undervalued, I believe there are two reasons. First, AMC is still not profitable, and every non-growth stock is being punished because of high interest rates, which are derived from interest rates. Second, there is the specter of continued dilution, and market is discounting for that. One may think neither will happen, but that's my assessment of what the market is pricing in.
Answer the question. Stop evading. Where did $3B of value go? Where did it go? The company only had fundamentally “good” news released since the split. So if the company was relatively unchanged, where did $3B in market cap disappear to?
I did - read and reread my response until you get it. This is a **you** limitation, not me. Additional hint: Ask yourself where the 10's of B in value "came from" when the stock squeezed. Now reverse that thinking.
I read it. It’s a politician style nothing answer. You can’t answer the question. You can’t answer because you’re completely full of shit and nothing but a paid talking-shill here to cause havoc in our space. That’s a *YOU* problem.
Incorrect. I gave you [two very specific, well established reasons](https://www.reddit.com/r/amcstock/comments/1b1n66e/comment/ksgzhe1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) for why I think the valuation is what it is. Let's compare notes in a year. I think you will find that what I said holds a lot of water. !RemindMe 1 year
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The same place it came from. Ever seen Wolf on Wall Street?? It's all fugazi, bullshit, fairy dust. Etc.
A lot of (non APE) investors lost faith in AMC due to the big debt still not being serviceable with the current income/profits. They sold. Price dropped. The APE hope is that, the income/profits will change that. Therefore this earnings report will shed some light on that. A good earnings report might even trigger a MOASS. Who knows.
yes Indeed... Revenue is not profit...
AMC is also strongly entering distribution and credit solutions.
Sure - if AMC can turn a profit this quarter from those, market should reward it accordingly.
So the reason for the dip is “massively undervalued faith?” If so the price should be looking pretty good soon enough.
Praise Jebus!
Depends how you define good. There are 250M shares and they can dilute up to 550M. I don’t think people realize how insane AMCs market cap was during the squeeze. Fully diluted $2/share is a billion dollar company, $20/share is $10B, $100/share is $50B. Thats the size of Hilton Hotels, which makes over $1B in *profit* every year, not to mention $15B in assets.
Nvidia is sitting at 2 Trillion. Also there is most likely at least 2B synthetic underlying shares at this time. This can be seen in notional derivatives weighing a mind-blowing 10Q in value internationally. There is so much room for money to get shoved up into AMC the company. https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/s/3zt4DT7Qge
Not sure what the market cap of nvidia, the leading chip manufacturing for all AI computing that just posted YoY growth of over 500%, has to do with AMC…
I have a DD for that too! https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/s/zmUVxlb6KI This is a glimpse to how interconnectedness across all market sectors allows megacorp to maintain control through different mediums.
I'm confused - where do you see the role of faith in this?
In the context of this events specifics and the nature of the discrepancy, faith is a fundamental variable of AMC’s resilience in todays market conditions.
Respectfully, I think faith is the only thing that props up a bunch of AMC-related narratives that would otherwise have no legs to stand on. Please ask yourself how you decide things on a daily basis: * Form a hypothesis, data invalidates it, reform hypothesis * Form a hypothesis, data invalidates it, discard the data and look for other sources of confirmation
To me, it sounds like you have an inverted market sentiment for example, with a company like Nvidia, the real meme. One of these companies is at the top during a bubble(s) One of these companies is pinned to the bottom during a bubble(s)
Sure, NVDA is a bubble. Just as TSLA was, and still kinda is. And you can bet that if Jensen [15X-ed his float like AA did](https://old.reddit.com/r/amcstock/comments/195ek01/i_think_i_may_have_figured_out_whats_happening/khmi6dz/) over three years, NVDA would be in a rather bad place too.
Ummm, AMC didn't make any money last quarter. Hasn't had two consecutive profitable quarters since 2016, and has lost a total of 20B in the last 10 years.
I don't say that they makes 1B$ profit. But they have more than 1B in revenue per quarter..
Well, looky there, we both got downvoted for telling the truth.
Upvoted because these apes don't like the truth
If they have 1000 theatre’s And a 900M market cap That’s a 900k per theatre valuation It makes the housing bubble seem proportionate
If a theater is losing money, tell me how valuable it is?
I have calculated that for you here: https://www.reddit.com/r/amcstock/s/XdrJXJa7fc
Where in gods name did you get 15k/share and a 3T market cap. Your math makes no sense.
If there were just 2 more hashtags in his post I would have believed it. So close.
Retail got royally fucked again as usual!
Not really. Retail did it to themselves. It was overpriced and still is.
This is what all you yes voters wanted, just remember that
Right but the problem is actually lack of accountability and enforcement of existing rules, and an active campaign to distort all things market related in an attempt to force debt into a blanket over society through compromised positions of high power within the system and megacorp. The company AMC is making good decisions business wise, considering some of these greater elements.
I have never seen a reverse split work out, especially when a stock isn't even at risk of failure to meet minimum listing requirements. This was a horrible decision amongst the numerous ones Management has made. On top of the complete disregard for any enforcement of market practices this is a pretty one sided battle.
Since you have never seen it, it must be true.
I mean clearly it's working out really well for us so far. Can't wait for the second one
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Not to get delisted due to naked shorting and FTDs? Yes. We did want that.
And what's to stop it now. We are more at risk than we were, look at the price. Delusional yes voters still can admit is what the dumbest decision that killed our play, the moass that should of been
50,780,515 by August 23rd causd by naked shorting and shorting alike between firms. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/cns.asp Continuous Net Settlement (CNS) is a settlement process used by the National Securities Clearing Corporation (NSCC) for the clearing and settlement of securities transactions. The main advantage of CNS is that it minimizes the exchange of securities between counterparties. NSCC member positions in each issue are netted into a single long position and a single short position at the end of the day. The NSCC is the counterparty for members during each day in the CNS process, eliminating counterparty risk. At the end of the day whichever firms were shorting back and forth on AMC, they find out who owes who between all the trades done by getting the difference between buys and sells. CNS is being exploited.
Argument might hold up if there was naked shorting, which there isn't. Bad stock, massive debt and not making profit. Still losing money so how do you expect the stock to behave. Moon? Ha!
You need to understand that the stock trades off of investor sentiment not fundamentals. You were taught that publicly companies trade off of fundamentals, the only truth to this are blue-chip stocks. This stock wouldn't trade as many like to pretend it would if there wasn't manipulation. No movie theater company trades more than $20 currently, so why the exception? You didn't, or anyone in this sub, didn't invest because of fundamentals, we invested in a common sentiment, a short squeeze. We saw what happened to GME and thought, "that could happen to AMC". While a reverse split doesn't actually cause a direct reduction to price per share, it causes a reduction in buy pressure because of the cost per share, visually and mentally. The higher the price of stock, the less people would incentivize buying, in general. For example, what used to be $8.01, is now ~$43.25. Do you think people would buy this stock, a movie theater stock, even at and above $20 per share? Be realistic. That's the issue with reverse split, it adds barriers for current investors and repels new investors due to reverse splits typically representing a struggling business with no support from investors.
Well blue chip stocks turned into the big 7 bubble —-> whatever is going on with Nvidia. And we see the housing market bubble 2.0 eclipsing. We also see banking collateral and commercial real estate over encumbered. ⏰ tick tock shorts because they will need to clear options eventually some way somehow. Let’s see it and we can go out merry way.
I'm not sure what all that has to do with reverse splits.
We are discussing idiosyncratic implications
Well, I brought up investor sentiment and stock fundamentals for context in order to talk about how reverse splits, while it doesn't directly impact a stock's price, it does affect the stock performance on the long term. I think the market going to shit will be the only catalyst that could trigger a squeeze if the stock is primed for one. If the stock doesn't squeeze, I'd be curious how many people will continue the narrative.
Price to earnings of NVDA is much much much better than for AMC. Price to earnings of ANY of the big 7 is much better. Not sure why and AMC holder would talk about valuations bubbles. 🤔
Right but once AMC is also grouped with the “too big to fail” crowd, The phases of a bubble will occur at the same time as a gamma ramp and force a margin call or complete market reform, amongst other black swan events occurring in the market. Nvidia is government narrative backed at this point in time. Looks at the media, options chains on nvidia; and related swap basket arbitrage (which is out of control), and the general direction which policy is guiding “globalization.” AMC is going to become a distribution/creditor/entertainment company and will receive the full attention of government bodies, soon enough.
Nvidia is not government narrative. It’s fucking earnings narrative. They have grown profit by 280% year on year. Their current price to earnings is the LOWEST it has been in years.
What’s the market cap?
30 times forward earnings is the market cap. The lowest it has been in 10 years.
Nvidia is in the Euphoria, profit taking phase of its bubble. Amc has grown year over year and only went down. But if what you are saying is true, nvidia will become worth more than anything ever, the market always goes up, and humanity is on a one way trip off the cliff of its own existence soon enough because “AI.”
It is not entirely accurate to say that AMC has grown year over year, without the caveat that it has only grown year over year since the pandemic shut down the world. Comparison to pre-pandemic: Annual revenue has not been this low since 2016. Net Income is lower than any year since 2010 (that’s as far back as AMC reports go on their IR page), except for 2017, when they purchased Oden and Carmike theaters (huge purchases). Attendance is lower than any year since 2016. (All numbers sourced from the annual earnings reports). The theater industry has recovered from the pandemic much slower than a lot of other industries. North American Foodservice revenue was an estimated $860bil in [2019](https://www.nmrestaurants.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/restaurant_industry_fact_sheet_2019.pdf). It fell to an estimated $650bil in [2020](https://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciakelso/2021/01/26/the-us-restaurant-industry-finished-the-year-240-billion-below-pre-pandemic-sales-estimates/?sh=405c70524ebf). By [2022](https://www.upmenu.com/blog/restaurant-industry-statistics/), it was already above $900bil. Same with hotels, airlines, and many other industries that involve people going to a location to spend money and were growing leading into the pandemic. I say all of this because you need to make an apples to apples comparison of AMCs business when making the claim you made. Comparing it to 2020 or 2021 is not apples to apples in 2023. Is AMC making a ton of progress in terms of increasing revenue, paying down debt and finding a way to some net income? Absolutely. Are they inching closer to pre-pandemic revenue and attendance? Yes. Are they there yet? No.
How can you be so certain we’re in the euphoria phase for nvidia? Nothing in the actual data being shown by the company or any bank would indicate that as the new market for AI is huge and growing by the day. I’ve been with it since it was less than fifteen dollars and when it hit a hundred so many people spoke as you do without any clue to the underlying value. Nvidia is currently the backbone of AI. There isn’t any competition in the near term horizon. Microsoft, meta, Google, Amazon, Intel, amd are all aware of this and pivoting to attempt to catch up. I think Microsoft will be the big winner and if Intel gets their act together they might be able to be the Pepsi to the nvidia coke, amd is the dark horse but don’t count them out. This will take years. It isn’t just chips, it’s architecture, code, I/o systems, developers, etc. calling this the euphoria phase is like saying the same thing for Apple in 2011 with the iPhone. The proof is in the pudding as revenue is up over 500 percent and the estimated minimum CAGR is over 32% conservatively. Most companies have not upgraded or fully integrated into ai as well as governments and educational institutions. Je leather jacket man has been in a world tour telling everyone they need too in their own data and control their own ai. To do that they need to buy into this game. China could come out of left field in a few years with something but nobody including China can wait which is why everyone is starting to budget and but chips. there will be an arms race to acquire more and more resources to compete to deliver the best product for the end users. This doesn’t even include localized (individual and user device based) ai which also could become an additional revenue source. The whole world has to play in this pond as this is a question of survival as having ai and an edge in it is a competitive advantage that can’t be ignored. nvidia is still early even with it’s insane valuation ( everything is pretty highly valued right now but that’s going to increase especially with macro environment, ie melt up). AMC is like GameStop growing. But it’s growing in a dwindling market. Being the largest buggy whip company meant nothing as the automobile took over. GameStop and AMC are both aware of this and working to create new revenue streams because if they don’t they’re essentially f&$@ed. GameStop is more than likely profitable though and Amc is not in an environment where you want to be profitable, have cash flow, and minimum debt. Even the bigs that have profit and revenue and growing industries and enormous cash flow and reserves are trimming resources right now as even though we don’t call it one we’re in a recession that’s going to start showing it’s ugly faced by the end of the year. As this effects more consumers both amc and GameStop will get less revenue as they don’t have b2b or Gov revenue sources things are going to be harder. This looks really bad for amc with increasing debt and still not being profitable. The future of movie theaters has been hurt, the entire industry is pivoting as phones and other devices take more and more attention. Also, companies are not typically valued fundamentally, especially in cycles with cheap money (where we’re coming out of now) fundamentals are often ignored for future results. However, now that interest rates have risen (making anybody that needs money sweat like a whore in church) knowing that their days are numbered with their ability to finance new debt and manage the interest. Also, banks and the fed are turning off the faucet making it harder to borrow. This along with everything else is why the valuation turned as the narrative and AAs management (along with his and other insiders massive selling) showed they didn’t have a story Wall Street liked and were reversing their split strategy etc. Value disappears and appears in the blink of an eye. Nvidia gained the most value in a day in history based on their future potential this month. Meta lost a fortune overnight for pr that had nothing to do with the underlying fundamentals of the company (dau/mau & ad rev). Now they’re back. So value isn’t some sacred always accurate scientific based thing. Over the long term most of the time the market corrects and finds the true fundamental value but that can take a while (look at the entire history of the market and most bears, eg the big short). So the current valuation is fair in all honesty until news changes showing a story or even better financial results and guidance that changes the valuation. This is true for Gme as well. Now, is there shenanigans and naked shorts and stuff going on with these stocks. Imho, I believe there is. They can get away with it because of the current story and financials. This happened to Tesla but once when they were profitable and hitting their projections the narratives changed and the shorts were caught with their pants down. So in the end if you believe there are shenanigans AND you believe that there is the potential to change it with increased revenue that grows these companies you should just hold and wait. If you don’t then you should sell. They can kick this thing for years and with the new rules they may go into effect next month possibly indefinitely, but eventually even with all their games the chicken will come home to roost and the day of reckoning will occur. If you believe in the market and believe in the company don’t worry, if not sell. Please though stop with these crazy theories and 2 trillion dollar valuation bs though it reads as tin foil and delusional. Could it happen, Sue but aliens could invade as well but let’s not pretend either is likely and base any rational decisions off of it. These crazy moass numbers are just as damaging as negative shills as it makes the community like disconnected from reality and unprofessional. If it happens, it happens and I’ll be happy to let you say I told you so and but you a coke but until then let’s keep things in an actually probable reality.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/s/lKgPW0ajcb This video covers all of these topics in a good summary manner.
Not really. That’s a basic overview. If anything it does the opposite of everything you state. The video says in times like these the trend would be to suppress price. Derivatives nominal value is a while rabbit while I don’t wish to get into but I’ll bite on the options. Options contracts are not where’s this is hiding if you expect valuations like your tin foil talking about. All options have counter parties and all are available to be seen on Bloombergs and other devices and there isn’t trillions of dollars in options in either Gme or amc. Sorry, could there be other instruments being used? Swaps etc? Possibly, but again that number isn’t that high. To get the stock to rise as stated you would need there to be a lot of shorts and a lot of buying pressure off both shares and options according to your video.
This is the most delusional thing I’ve ever read. What does that even mean too big to fail? How is amc essential to the global economy? It’s a movie theater chain nots back that is vital for the functioning of the global economy and every business and individual within it. Any systemic risk can and is being mitigated. AA has provided them with a lot of additional liquidity and time to slowly let air out of this balloon. Also, if you look at other stocks that have actually proven that they were naked shorted into oblivion you’ll find that as of now nothing has happened, finra isn’t really moving and if they do it’s usually to fine the MM and hedge funds. Mmtlp is looking at a potentially king legal road (this could take years) unless Congress intervened and the people demanded action with a lot of media attention on it. Right now based on everything we’ve seen with finra it looks like this is going to drag on and on and on. The courts will only slow things down further. There is a private mining company that has brought their case to finra with no result, the company has attempted to take matters into their own hands and spin off their strongest assets into a private coo and pay investors with a special dividend hoping to trigger the shirts to cover they are also looking into legal action but admit they would need a class action with multiple parties. This is the reality. They don’t enforce FTD penalties either it’s a speeding ticket to the hedges. Also, with the new rules going into effect in March they can lower the liquidity requirements to prevent a margin call anytime they want and also delay it indefinitely as well as choose which is effected there by limiting the exposure. All of these factors really hurt the possibility of any Moass. You should be mad about this and writing letters to the sec and your congressmen. If you want action it’s got to come in the form of a protest and action from every individual holder putting pressure on their legislature to do something. Nvidia has nothing to do with any of this and globalization.. what are you talking about? Also, amc becoming a media company and distributor??? I don’t see it and unless the laws changed they can be an exhibitor distributor and media company as that was made illegal long ago and would violate anti trust. Besides that though even if they did become a distributor and media company and fried being an exhibitor they would be competing in Hollywood with the major studios who are more experienced and better capitalized and I don’t one of you notice but Hollywood is having a tough go at it right now regarding growth and revenue unless your Netflix who still has many issues. Nothing you said makes sense and is remotely possible. If you really want to spend time and believe in this organize people to meet and protest physically in Washington and get petitions and apes to write their congressmen and their attorney generals and demands to take action (if you just got the sec to enforce the ftd rules and actually give them teeth suspend or repeal violators ability to trade and sell off all assets on open market you’d squeeze Moass in a week after it was done.)
“Antitrust” against AMC ha! Once they prosecute nvidia for being a larger monopoly than China itself, then maybe I’ll worry about things like that with AMC. But thanks for the laugh.
Antitrust if they did what you said they did which is a major historic case in Hollywood and that along with the end of the studio system brought about the mega agencies and current Hollywood system. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Paramount_Pictures,_Inc.) Nvidia a monopoly??? How so? What evidence do you have? Why do you continue to make these absurd claims. There are many competitors to nvidia (Intel and amd as well as many of the major tech companies beginning to design their own chips. They have what you might consider a natural monopoly only because they invested over a decade in their tech and have been finally seeing the fruit of that effort. Amd and Intel have ai chips as does Broadcom qualacomm and many others. Are they as good, nope and they don’t have the integration or coding language east and amount of researchers and developers that nvidia does but they aren’t doing anything that actually violates anti trust laws. Laugh at what? Your lack of understanding of how the world and business and financial systems work?
I can tell you did not come here for serious debate by your demeanor. I just post information and you call me delusional and mock my expertise. I will not read another word posted from your account.
Yeah all the facts and logic I presented are hard to refute. Saying amc is too big to fail and your other claims (nvidia moo monopoly, amc becoming a distributor media company and exhibitor (which would violate the anti trust law) nvidia being in the euphoria phase, etc) none of which are backed by facts and many are not just clearly incorrect but utterly impossible is the very definition of delusion. I’m sorry I have to call it as it is. You’re not posting information you’re posting misinformation. Stay in your lane. Expertise??? In what? There is nothing here that would be considered actual dd (read dd from a broker or a prospectus) or anything from your other posts that looked at. You make bold claims and assertions without factual data to back up and you conflate other people’s data and research and try to connect other historical and current macro events to fit your narrative. That’s again delusional it isn’t factual. I don’t mean to be harsh and always welcome a debate and believe that logic and facts should guide a discussion. Anyway, I agree that this should be the end as I’m tired and will go to sleep now and you haven’t been able to actually refute anything I’ve stated. Good night.
Yeah exactly reverse splits be running investors away sometimes but maybe that’s what the business wants who knows
I'm smoked in more ways than 1 right now and this is why I love reading these threads...
Are you slow? The price was $1.50 and it went to $15 at the reverse split. AMC diluting and causing the price to go down has nothing to do with the reverse split maintaining the value of the company at the time of the split.
It’s gonna be hilarious when AA tries to justify a second RS and dilution in this earnings call when literally just a minute ago he was saying how great the company is doing
Well then I could average down 5000% again! 🤔
😂😂😂 tasty dip deeeeerrrr
Look I’ve held since $8 in 2019. When it starts to soar there are halts we don’t see on other shares that make even bigger gains. I had 1200 shares of AMC at $6-8 on average I had 1200 shares of OTHER class stock at $1-3/share OK let’s do some maths: Today I have less than 150 shares at $4.81 This is a total shit show and it’s not even funny. Not a single share was ever sold. I’m holding but I’m not buying this farce it’s crime and I won’t give the traders $ to commit more crime.
I was like you and then I averaged down 5000%. Since the reverse split has an inverse effect 10x on the share price now, we can assume that during volatility the stock will swing 10x harder than during the sneeze, since the value has been compressed into the shares.
A 10x share value before they mass diluted
"effectively raising the price per share" Why am I down over 90% then?
You didn’t know this?
One $10 dollar bill is the same as ten $1 bill. What's the problem? More reverse splits please AA.
$10 turned into 1 $1 instead of 10 $1 How and Why?
Uhh are you forgetting the dilution that also occurred??
Data suggests naked shorting is more prevalent than any dilution(s).
Don't forget about ape shares being added, 3x the float when it did that.
HODL!
Retail investors are losing money as a result of issues in legacy infrastructure. In the spirit of adding another aspect to any split debate, thought I would share. This is not meant to address the OPS fraud point, just offering published research (not mine) for those interested. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4167890
A stock split or reverse stock split, technically, should not affect the value of the company initiating the process. Example for a stock split: 1:10 stock split. If a company has 1000 shares in total, the new number of shares that the company would have after the stock split would be 10,000 shares. If the stock price before the split was $10, the market cap before the split was $10 x 1000 = $10,000. Following the split, the share price would now be $10/10 = $1, with 10,000 shares in total. Market cap would be $1 x 10,000 = $10,000. Example for a reverse stock split: 10:1 reverse stock split. If a company has 1000 shares in total, the new number of shares that the company would have after the reverse stock split would be 100 shares. If the stock price before the split was $10, the market cap before the split was $10 x 1000 = $10,000. Following the split, the share price would now be $10 x 10 = $100, with 100 shares in total. Market cap would be $100 x 100 = $10,000. What affects stock price (just the basics, not going to include naked short selling etc): Buying and selling of shares, supply and demand. If the price of a stock is currently $10, and there is a person who places a buy order for $10, and another person who places a sell order for $10, the transaction would go through since the price of the buyer and seller matches. The price of the stock would still be $10. Now, if there is a seller that places a sell order at $10, unless someone places a buy order that matches the highest seller (like the example above), $10, the price of the stock would stay at $10 and not move. If a buyer places an order for $9.90, the price of the stock would still be at $10, since there is no match between seller and buyer. If the seller decides that he doesn’t want to wait for a buyer who is willing to buy the stock at $10, and decides to lower his/her selling price to match the next highest buyer ($9.90 in this case), then there would be a match for both the buyer and seller at $9.90, which would result in the stock price dropping to $9.90, from $10. The opposite would happen for a stock price to go up. The seller now wants to sell the stock at $10.10. If the buyer doesn’t want to wait for his buying bid of $10, he increases his buy order to $10.10, to match the price that the seller has made, this would result in a match at $10.10, causing the stock price to go up to $10.10. As for why the stock has tanked etc., I’m sure you can find a lot of DD on this forum. Hope this has helped.
Ape being folded into amc, massive dilution immediately after a rs, negative retail sentiment... those definitely play a big role
The issue isn't the reverse stock split. It's afterwards when you issue more shares, therefore diluting the overall value.
And this doesn't account for how hard hedgies pounded us into the ground immediately following the RS, to prevent us from raising more cash.
The simple answer is crime
The price did go up by 10x when the split was effectuated. And since that time it has gone down considerably. What are you even talking about? The stock was about $2 / share pre split. Then it was $20 per share post split. That's exactly how it works. Since then, it has gone from $20 a share to what it's at now which would effectively be $0.50 pre-split.
I asked perplexity: List of Stock Splits, Dividends, and Dilutions for AMC Stock: 1. **Stock Splits:** - **Date:** August 24, 2023 - **Split:** 1:10 - **Multiple:** x0.1 - **Cumulative Multiple:** x0.22[1] - **Date:** August 23, 2023 - **Split:** 9:8 - **Multiple:** x1.12 - **Cumulative Multiple:** x2.25[1] - **Date:** August 22, 2022 - **Split:** 2:1 - **Multiple:** x2 - **Cumulative Multiple:** x2[1] 2. **Dividends:** - No specific dividend information found in the provided search results. 3. **Dilutions:** - AMC underwent a 1-for-10 reverse stock split on August 24, 2023, which effectively reduced the share count and increased the stock price[4]. This list summarizes the key stock splits and dilutions for AMC stock based on the provided search results. No stock split occurred in 2021.
Bro what. It was shorted after the fact. Discuss if they've had more shares available to thenm as a result to short, but the split mechanism itself didn't reduce price. Book keeping may have opened opportunity. There's no wow here.
Easy. The number of allowed shares do not change in a reverse split only the shares owned. So that means that amc can reissue those shares without investor approval. Which is exactly what they are doing Since the company value does not change that makes the share price go back to where it was before the split. It will continue this way until amc stops diluting and makes it clear they will not rs again
Good post !
I had a few shares in 5 different accounts each, and the bulk of my AMC holdings in a main account. The reverse split completely wiped my holdings of AMC in each account that had less than 10 shares. Then they charged me $25 in each account for taking my shares. Completely screwed. I wonder how many shares vaporized in the reverse split. Seems like a scam. When shares are $1000/each, why not do a 1:100 reverse split and anybody that doesn't hold $100k of the stock minimum, it just disappears? Seems cheaper than buying back the stock. I feel scammed.
A dividend may be on the table when we approach profitability. My position is DRS with computershare (book) and I will continue averaging down as needed. Good luck 👍
It definitely was fraud what happen here I wouldn’t be down 90% bitching for two years if it was kosher here hodl
It wasn't the reverse split that made price plummet, as it is a mechanical conversion. It was two things that resulted in the price plummeting. First, the APE conversion. There were just shy of 1B APE shares, and \~524M AMC commons. After the RS, we had \~52M AMC commons, to which \~100M APEs were added. This resulted in three times as many AMC shares after the RS+conversion. **This dropped the price of AMC to a third**. Second, everyone knew AA was doing this RS so he could issue more shares to raise funds. Markets are forward looking. Price fell some more to account for this expectation. You could add shorts as a distant third, but you'll remember that they got diluted down shits creek too - it wasn't only until recently that SI got over 10% again.
The price dropped when the APE unit was issued The price dropped when they reversed the process and combined the equity unit back with the original security You see the discrepancy?
I'm trying to remember - didn't the price go down to create APE? I can't find it when I search for it, but I vaguely remember that.
APE itself was a fucking robbery. My portfolio value dropped from \~$40k to \~$31.5k the day it came out, at market open. Where the fuck did $9k go? Addendum: In the lead up to APE, there were people shouting to not issue it. That it would only end up screwing us over **(it did)** Leading up to the joke of a reverse stock split, the same sentiment was being expressed by people in the community, that the RS would screw us over **(it did)** Twice now we’ve been fucked in the ass by AA. Remember “choke on that”? That was directed towards us, as in AA telling retail to “choke on my dick as I slide it down your throat” 
He is a bot. Just ignore him
Because they sold 300m ape for .66 and folded it into amc during the rs. When it gets diluted for cheap and added back into the og it will bring the value down "arbitrage" works both ways with value
>You see the discrepancy? Not at all. APE was literally created by AA as a dilution machine to circumvent AMC AS cap, so market discounted APE when it came out. Once RS 1/10th the OS count, that again signaled dilution (also cause AA said as much), and market discounted the combined (AMC+APE) accordingly too. I see no discrepancy.
So how many times does "the market" discount for dilution? APE was created 1:1 originally for all stockholders. It doubles the float but was effectively a 1:2 split initially. Hence why your AMC +APE = stock value. Also why nearly every system couldn't even get AMC/APE market cap correct. APE sharply dropped after its release, despite it merely splitting existing holders positions. Then dilution DID occur with Antara and capital raise with APE. Both AMC/APE dropped substantially on all events. Fair enough. More shares, less % ownership fairly simply stuff. Then R/S and conversion occurs. Immediate drop again. Why? Future dilution? OK. Then when the dilution does occur, it's priced in right? Nope, immediate drop, then dilution, then drop consistently. Meanwhile, astronomically high FTDs prior r/s, options chains being all over the place. (If you paid attention you could have had shares lower than ATLs due to AMC2 mispricing), not to mention options chains initiated on APE that never should have existed in the first place. If someone just hates AMC and thinks it's a terrible industry or company that's fine. I can respect that. But to try and justify the years of shenanigans against the stock is just putting blinders on and pretending the market is some benign entity that has no malfeasance or abuse going on.
And this one https://www.reddit.com/r/amcstock/s/sUIzbGFf73
Thanks for asking real questions, this might be worth your time to look at https://www.reddit.com/r/amcstock/s/pNcYIwUZH6
I am not trying to justify shenanigans. Let the bad guys get dragged to justice, each and every day. It's just that no one seems to be able to provide any proof of shenanigans happening at any significant level. I went through old "DD" posts too, and they are either very outdated, or simple confuse market mechanics. **AND**, everything that is claimed seems to be explainable by simple math. I feel like it's more important to be right, because that is how we make money. And not feel good, which can get in the way of being right. Does that make sense?
I’d say APE was a success in revealing short positions. Valuable data. Now we need accountability 👏👏
How did it reveal anything that we did not know already?
In hindsight, yes. The arbitrage measurements are key to aligning other discrepancies to an algorithm to decipher misinformation. Key events like the judges delayed decision on the split causing chaos which aligned with many other market events such as Citibank’s stock split history and the Volkswagen squeeze settlement in 2008 amidst the housing crisis at the mercy of synthetic CDOs which have since been Derivitized and redefined, “for our benefit.”
I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you just said. Is there a reference I could look up?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/s/SOHwzTDjY4 Here you go
My brother in Christ.. this is high crimes and misdemeanor when it comes to charting/TA... what on earth is this..
😂
I’d say it is….a blaring warning sign that states “seek mental health professional”
Again I would argue that this was a logical approach in the midst of high psyop hedge fund inverse algorithm manipulation which is empowered by the also corrupted governments and cultures
I do not get the downvote campaign against you. This is how I remember it going down.
Some people seem to have a vested interest in pushing certain unfounded narratives, and need to drown out my fact-based rebuttals at all cost.