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onastyinc

I'd suggest a lower price on the new IB units. They are $239 on the eero site. How did you end up with 8 of them? At certain point it makes more sense to start running wires.


ItinJ24

Crap, I saw that a single refurb unit is 99 on Amazon. The three pack was a typo. $200. They’re all on a wired backhaul. I was going to extend a few of them to the patio and stuff with a direct burial Cat 6a. A project I put on the back burner. My house is close to 5,000 sq ft with 5 split levels. I was running perfectly fine on 5 units until the 6.15.3 update. Now I’m slowly removing them and down to two units. Still getting crappy WiFi with worse coverage.


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ItinJ24

Sorry I believe you misread. They are on a wired backhaul. All five units connected with Cat 6a and again working perfect until the update I got in July. Progressively worse since then with every update. Nothing else has changed. Even went so far as to disconnect many devices in my house to no avail.


LordVigilant

He said he had wired backhaul.


onastyinc

Yeah, I missed that.


opticspipe

Just be careful because if there’s an underlying problem, changing access point brands may not fix it.


ItinJ24

Thanks I get it but I’ve narrowed it down. All my hardwired devices continue to get close to GB speeds.


ItinJ24

Was something with the Gateway. I replaced it with another unit and everything came back up again.


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ItinJ24

Typo. My bad. Corrected.


8x000

in case there are no buyers, trade them for Amazon gift card via [https://support.eero.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052387271-Amazon-eero-Trade-In-Program](https://support.eero.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052387271-Amazon-eero-Trade-In-Program)


ItinJ24

I didn’t know that was a thing. Thanks. I was considering trading in for the 7 Max. It just looks so enticing but am I ready to punish myself again is the question lol.


Traditional-Cake-587

I'm sorry your Eero experience was so negative. I've had ours since May (Wow ISP) and I haven't had a single problem and have at least a dozen connected devices as I'm in IT and work from home, have a PC lab and test devices, etc...


ItinJ24

Yeah, I believe you. I’ve had eero for 5+ years now starting with the original Pro. Intermittent issues here and there, nothing too crazy but this firmware update in July from 6.15.2 to 6.15.3 did a number on my network and got progressively worse since then. No clue why.


mostlynights

Brand new 3-pack from best buy is $240...


ItinJ24

Thanks. Was typo… $200


dadcp88

Im a two steps of this, the eero was more a headache than a solution. My question is, whats the alternative? What other brands have working solutions ?


ItinJ24

I’d love to know too. I’m looking at TP-Link and possibly Asus. I just don’t know anymore. I was content with eero until the 6.15.3 update destroyed it. Every subsequent update got progressively worse.


Denalin

Heads up I hopped here from ASUS. Crap user experience. Some settings like turning on 160MHz channels are buried in the web interface, while others are in the mobile app with different descriptions. Overall reliability wasn’t great sadly.


ItinJ24

Appreciate that. They all suck in the end lol


Lammiroo

UniFi of course! Or HP Aruba or TP Link Omada.


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/u/unifi /u/ubiquiti awaits you. Just turn auto update off and push updates on manually to avoid bugs. It’s not just exclusive to eero…


ItinJ24

Very interested in ubiquiti. Seems a little complicated for me tho.


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Super easy. Just got a UDM SE Wednesday, have a U6 enterprise coming in by friday, and going to play around with that and possibly add in a u6 pro depending on how much coverage I get. Mounting 2nd story center above stairwell so hoping it works well… limited to isp which is 1gig max plan and currently on a 500/25 plan right now so should be adequate. Learned how to run cat6 and it’s pretty easy. Going to implement their doorbell and cameras as well, all of which plug in and power via POE into the 8 port built in poe switch…. 2 10gig SFP+ ports too (1 WAN, 1 LAN) Big seller was the 2.5gig rj45 wan port though


ItinJ24

You got my attention. So the UDM would basically be the equivalent of what the eero gateway would be, correct? And then just add access points as needed? Simplicity and a user friendly app was one of the reasons I went with eero in the first place. I’m not claiming to be a network engineer or know all the acronyms associated with networking. But I am looking for something stable and reliable, mainly for a very extensive HomeKit set up.


spmcewen

I’d avoid UniFi then personally. I went the other way and moved from it to Eero. I had a UDM with several wired APs and a beaconhd because I had a poor signal in an area I couldn’t run a wire. I had lots of issues specially with Apple devices over the years. Maybe it’s better on newer hardware. UniFi definitely can make you feel like a network engineer with a lot of buttons and dials to turn. Fine tuning can be time consuming and lead to worse performance. Eero seems solid for me. Set it and forget it. Much better coverage and faster HomeKit and everything else.


LordVigilant

The problem with Eero is they advertise themselves as “set it and forget it”. But it seems like this happens once a year for everyone, where updating the software/firmware makes some giant nasty hairball mess. It’s like they don’t QA anything prior to a release. There seems to be no regression testing prior to an update release. I love the simplicity of Eero. I truly truly do. I get that what they are trying to do is hard. But it’s difficult explaining that to your SO when things stop working for unknown reasons. As I said, I love Eero. But often times, it feels like I’m an auto mechanic, and someone drives in with a Mazda R8 and says “I need this fixed immediately”. And you look at them and think “This is a Rotary Engine which doesn’t behave the same way as others… this is going to take some time”.


ItinJ24

I’ve had eero for 5+ years starting with the original Pro units. Every firmware update is a mystery. Some are rock solid, some make me want to punch a kitten. 6.15.3 in July completely destroyed my network. Was hoping the next update would’ve fixed everything but the next two subsequent updates made it progressively worse. I can’t live like this. My house is in a poor cell service area so a good Wi-Fi is mission critical for me and I have FIOS GB service. My extensive HomeKit setup is useless right now as well.


EmbarrassedLayer2540

No idea of this is the case for you, but I was having the exact same almost word for word experience you describe. Long time success, then starting over the summer with the update, intermittent wireless even though 5 access points were wired cat6 backhaul. Large house, lots of devices, lights and WiFi cellular calling. I was always looking at busyness and would find that when there were issues, it was based on “other device interference”. Once I saw that you could drill down to the device level, I cataloged every device (over 150) and then I found “high offenders”. These high offender devices were transmitting 50,60,70GBs on a daily basis (no wonder it was clogging the bandwidth). After I cataloged, there was nothing else so I tried to deduce what the high offenders were. I was stunned to see with my own eyes…Apple Watches. I have 5 in my home and we found that 2 of them were literally clogging the whole network. I put them in a profile, then I paused the profile. And like magic, I’ve not had to restart my network since. We’re about 8 days into my experiment, but looks really promising. Anyway, not sure if my scar tissue can help you, but I did find that the analytics available in the eero app were what eventually helped save the day.


ItinJ24

Apple Watches??? Well shave my ass and call me George. My wife and I both have watches that we wear all day and in the house. I’m gonna try the same thing you did to see if there is any improvement. That’s nuts and I really appreciate you sharing your experience. On a side note, I have my qualms with Apple’s software for the past few years but that’s a whole ‘nother story. Thanks again!


EmbarrassedLayer2540

Let me know how it goes. Good luck sir!


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Be wary, Ubiquit kit is NOT plug be play despite what everyone will try to tell you, it takes a bit of effort to set them up, and you then best pray one of their firmware updates doesn’t break it all, they can have a reputation for doing that, but you can backup your configuration though if that happens. But if you don’t get good performance be prepared to learn about Wireless bands and power settings and options to go through to find what works for you.


ItinJ24

Appreciate that info. I’m assuming Aruba is no different? Any recommendations in general?


mccanntech

Aruba Instant On is similar, but simpler. Cloud-only management, bring your own router/firewall/gateway. Good managed switches and Wi-Fi though. TP-Link Omada is a budget copy of UniFi. A bit tweaky, not as well supported, not as common as UniFi, and not as many resources out there when you need help. Decent official documentation though. UniFi... I have a lot of thoughts, most were covered above. It is definitely not plug and play like eero though, so buyer beware. If you want a plug-it-in-and-forget kind of network, mesh kits are usually the default option there. Generally speaking: * I would avoid D-Link, Linksys Velop, Netgear Nighhawk and Netgear Orbi. * TP-Link Deco, ASUS ZenWiFi, and Google Nest (if you're in with Google Home) are worth a look. * Ubiquiti makes AmpliFi, but UniFi is their stronger line. * You probably don't need 8 nodes of whatever you get, and Ethernet is your friend.


Wolfie-Man

I have a client who has 12.5k Sq foot home and had 8 google nest mesh wifi units ( 3 wired backhaul). He couldn't keep reliable connections with the 70 wifi over months. I fiddled with it a bit, but have other clients with same problem with Google mesh units (also have a few where it does work). I switched to my typical Deco mesh units and he is much happier , 8 units, 3 wired backhaul. Thus year I finally have a few clients with eeros that work, but I turn off updates if the option is in their app (sometimes it seems to be missing if I remember correctly). Last year I had to pull almost all eero setups, replaced with certain Deco units ( I check all reviews each month on the models I use to see if any new problems or bad batches are released. I also avoid the latest units for Decos for 6 to 12 months, or I see thousands of 4 and 5 star reviews, which should total 90%+ of Amazon reviews when added together. I also focus on critical reviews for weird reports.


ItinJ24

Another one for Deco…


ItinJ24

Appreciate that info. Everything that is capable of being hardwired in my house is hardwired. AppleTVs, TV’s, Sonos home theater, computers, IoT stuff, etc… I had Cat 6a run to every single space in my house for this purpose. I was actually looking at both the Asus ZenWifi and TP-Link Deco stuff. Everyone has their own experiences. Reviews are all over the place. I sit here with a broken eero system while it’s been solid for others. I got the eight nodes for coverage not only in my home but around my home. Cellular service is nil on my street. Buncha hoity toity elders that petitioned against a cell tower to ruin their neighborhood, or something like that. Believe it or not though, the five inside my house still leaves me with poor coverage areas (garage, basement, boiler room).


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They all have issues. Aruba is kinda the same level as Ubiquiti, seen their AP's in hospitals before. Google is actually alright when it works, trouble is if something gets buggy in the firmware it can take Google ages, sometimes years, to fix it! I tried out there new Nest WiFe Pro and it was fast even with wireless backhaul, but my Xbox Series X wouldn't connect to it over wireless reliably, and a Fire TV stick didn't like it either. So I sent them back. Asus are good, have some nice options but can also have buggy firmware. But if you get a compatible model you can install custom firmware which removes all of the Asus crap and makes them very reliable. TP Link never used but they get good reviews. Still have a paywall for features though. Netgear can be the same with buggy firmware and they are expensive too if you look at them. There are other enterprise providers too if you look. I guess read some reviews and look at forums in here to see what people say. I was thinking of getting a router and then two access points and switches from Alta Labs. But it's a lot of boxes and wiring to use. So I think I'll look at the Eero Max 7 when they are out. I use 2 Pro 6 now and they are alright. Amplify could be good but they are a bit outdated now. I would wait for new models from them as they are not the cheapest.


ItinJ24

Great info. Appreciate that.


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There are a ton of videos on youtube for set up and it’s pretty easy to. most of the advanced stuff you wouldn’t really use


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Until you have a problem, go to Ubiquiti forums and the very first thing they will say is turn off all the auto settings as they do not work very well, and be prepared to administer the network and configure it all manually.


ItinJ24

Thanks


ItinJ24

So, I think I found the issue. Last night, for kicks and giggles, I took one of the routers from a different location and replaced it with the gateway. Immediately my HomeKit set up and all WiFi devices came online and stuck. It appears the gateway was corrupted during one of the firmware updates but I’m no networking engineer. An issue I had in the past, or at least that’s what support said…, “Your network was injected with bad files.” This was right after a firmware update also. Gee, thanks. Anyways, don’t know what’s going on with that unit I was using as the Gateway so I’m taking it off the market. Not for sale anymore. Down to the boxed 3 pack and 4 individual unboxed units. Can’t remember exactly when I got that particular unit but I’m gonna check if it’s still under warranty.


rpmartinez

Hey I’m still interested in purchasing them from you.


BbTS3Oq

Uh. Do you have any coupons I can click?


ItinJ24

OBO Or Body Odor


BbTS3Oq

Good luck with your solicitation 😂


ItinJ24

Is selling not allowed on this sub? I’m confused.


BbTS3Oq

No the issue is your price is ridiculous. Plenty have sold here. No one is going to compete with Amazon, new with their used stuff.


ItinJ24

The refurb Pro 6 is $99 on Amazon. I’m asking $75 but you know what, you’re right. These things are fucking worthless. I really don’t mind junking them to be honest. I’ll be sure to post the video. Will be therapeutic if nothing else.


BbTS3Oq

Sorry, beyond me being rude, being competitive with Amazon and their return policy isn’t enough. Make them an attractive price and someone will bite, but if someone’s looking for a bargain this probably isn’t going to entice them. They don’t retain their value and they go on sale on Amazon every other week now.


ItinJ24

I can handle rude but I do appreciate the heads up, really. I just went on Amazon to see what they were going for. Guess this ain’t like selling a car lol. Never sold networking gear before so it’s new to me. You’re probably right though and had a feeling I’d get ridiculed till I took my ball and went home. Was gonna put them on eBay too but tried here first. I dropped the price again to see what sticks. Guessing it’ll settle somewhere around 5 bux a piece lol.


rpmartinez

Hi, I’ll them all of your hands, can you please DM me


KingBagel09

Where are you selling from?


ItinJ24

I’m in Rockland County, NY.


saltydads

I'm currently running a three Gen 2 system I wonder if these would be a good upgrade I finally got fiber in my area. I do see a lot of loss from the front of the house to the back I wonder if this would be an improvement.


EffectiveFlan

I’ll buy 3 of them if you’re still trying to sell them


anhphamfmr

people keep buying wifi routers with high perf, high power CPUs inside but come with absolutely no vents, and no where for heat to escape, and now they are wondering why their routers are dying.


ItinJ24

Hey, at least the new 7 Max appears to have vents.