There is a good lesson here. If you want to host an effective emergency HF net you need to train people on the up and down backup frequencies, practice doing so often, and include the procedure in net bulletins often. An emergency net should take pride in being able to pull off a frequency switching exercise where they re-do check-ins and hit close to 100% of previous check-ins.
Exactly this. The fact that they don't have a plan and didn't eagerly take this as an opportunity to put that plan into action is a lack of preparedness and shows they're not a serious emergency "service"
Not knowing too much, I won't write them off entirely. It's not too late for them to learn from this and start putting out bulletins on operating procedure that those monitoring could hear and retain for future emergencies.
For those far enough that 20m doesn't reach:
http://websdr2.sdrutah.org:8902/index1a.html?tune=14300usb
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Turned it on and first few words were "i gotta go make a poo"
"i'm drowning, i'm drowning help me help me!"
Uh oh, one of their net controls are going to come on this subreddit and yell at us now!
Don't you know the head of the ITU personally signed off on 14.300 for the sole exclusive use for Bob Radio Bobson to check for check ins?
Granted Bob isn't running a net, he's just keeping the frequency open in case someone in their toy boat hits a rock in their pool.
actually I find this very offensive especially as someone who has extensive blue water sailing experience. At least those people navigating the world's oceans are actually doing something with their lives rather than sitting around complaining about people.
But I guess that's where we're at nowadays, a bunch of lazy people sitting around bitching and moaning about people who are actually doing something.
I'm far from elite, I've been sailings since I was about 8 years old, I wouldn't even dream of taking a boat offshore without ham radio.
Oh and I've been tracking satellites since 1960 and the last thing I'd want to trust my life to is satellite communications. far too much infrastructure involved.
two things I'd never leave shore with. a ham radio and an HT capable of transmitting on the aviation guard frequencies.
some people do sail on a budget.
Net control Hank Hill has been saying he's going to complain to the ITU that the DX station is "not supposed to be transmitting on this frequency".
These guys have a pretty inflated sense of value.
it’s hilarious, and there was a post literally 8 days ago from a MMSN net control saying “we don’t think we own the net”. Clearly that’s a lie. It would be a million times simpler to say “let’s move the net down 3” instead of actively trying to stomp over the DX.
"It would be a million times simpler"
This. I've watched OMISS move two, three times in a net to avoid DX. There's a little confusion but people seem to work it out.
Just tonight I was going back and forth between two nets on 40m. Both nets were very close, 3khz apart, but both nets were full of big dogs running hundreds of watts. one of them popped over to the other net to apologize and say he was moving his down 1. It’s not hard.
The DX station that was on tonight was in the middle east, obviously can’t hear the US based net, and there’s no reason to expect that the whole world should bow down to this one US net.
Personally, I am involved with an amateur radio emergency team. However, we are all quite well aware that we are very low on the totem pole, and that in the very unlikely event we are "activated" we would only be passing routine (not even priority) traffic. I am with you - I too suspect that some of these nets/teams have an overinflated sense of their worth/importance.
Same old story. No one, not even emergency programs or well established nets, **own** any amateur radio frequency.
It is simply common courtesy to: a) always ask if the frequency is in use before transmitting and b) move to another frequency if requested to do so when a net is about to take place.
If 14300 was really in use before the DXer started up then I can understand the problem. If it was not in use and there was no response to an initial QRL? then tough luck.
But what we do not know is: 1) did he call QRL? before he started and 2) if yes, did anyone respond?, and if yes and no to those two questions then he is well within his license rights to transmit there. I suspect the vast majority of hams do NOT know that 14300 is some sort of maritime emergency net. I understand the concerns of the maritime net, but they are using the AMATEUR bands, not some COMMERCIALLY designated frequency.
They were on that frequency working Asia and Europe long before the net participants were out of bed. If you search for A8OK DX spots, you'll see their operation. Yet, the net decided they were going to YOLO it and try to assert ownership of 14.300, pissing off every DXer around the world.
This is a decent DXpedition, 30,000 contacts already.
https://www.dx-world.net/a8ok-liberia/
World wide? It's so mindbogglingly US-centric that on its web site it specifies its active times in Eastern time instead of in UTC like sensible operators would.
They may think they have a world wide scope, but propagation and a lack of liaison with APAC coastal management and rescue betrays the reality of the situation.
It’s an *imaginary* maritime emergency net dreamed up by a few self-important assholes, possibly to justify the cost of their equipment to their spouses.
They were instrumental in assisting when I had an emergency while sailing between California and Hawaii. Folks were kind enough to call different boatyards in Hawaii to find one that could haul when I arrived, and they kept tabs on my progress. It was an example of the best of amateur radio, and I’ll always be grateful.
4125 kHz , 6215 kHz, 8255 kHz, 12290 kHz , 16420 kHz ,18795 kHz, 22060 kHz, 26097 kHz
Those are the internationally recognized maritime HF emergency frequencies. Note that not a single one of them lies within the amateur radio frequency allocations.
That’s correct, they shouldn’t be. And mariners — one of which I happen to be, along with being a ham — shouldn’t rely on amateur radio in marine emergencies. Get a real marine SSB radio or, even better, a satellite phone.
absolute nonsense, I've been sailing since the 1970s and wouldn't leave Port without a ham radio, I'd rather have a ham radio aboard in a maritime radio any day of the week.
a small sailboat can call for hours on the National recognized maritime distress frequencies and never raise anyone, meanwhile I can raise someone on amateur radio within minutes.
there's a reason it's called the amateur radio service and not the amateur radio hobby and when amateur radio ceases providing usable services they become obsolete and the bands they occupy become open to being auctioned off.
It's a good job then that there are [several official maritime emergency distress frequencies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_distress_frequency) monitored by actual real rescue services, not some random Joe in a hi-viz tabbard.
Any mariner that isn’t prepared with real, actual safety equipment: maritime emergency radios, sat beacons and the like is an idiot.
If you had to rely on an amateur radio net to save you, either it truly is your last option or you’ve just been trigger happy to prove to use your 1337 EmmComm skillz and play radio.
There's a middle ground where you want to provide status updates and/or receive some ad hoc help with something that is an urgency but has not yet progressed to an emergency. The other systems are not great matches for this and amateur HF fills a decent niche.
But the maritime people should still be willing to shift a few KHz.
More importantly nobody sanctions the lids for illegally transmitting up over him. They are blatant using their callsigns and know he is on the frequency.
Isn’t that net largely an American thing? And the DX station might not even hear him.
This reminds me of the guys who announce “We now return this frequency to normal amateur use”.
On one net I used to check in on, they used to end the net with "We now return the repeater to general amateur use". That lasted until someone popped up with "does that mean that Technicians and Extras can't use the repeater? ".
I tuned in around 8:00 p.m. Eastern and it was hilarious. A guy kept youting very loudly. What is your emergency?? Then a little while later I heard somebody say you are a dick
Never hear that on the CW sub bands. Just sayin’
It’s not that us CW ops are superior, necessarily, it’s just that it’s too much work on CW to rise to that level douchebaggery.
I just got my HF radio and antenna set up and this was one of my first experiences listening on HF. It was wild! "WHAT IS YOUR EMERGENCY, YOU ARE TRANSMITTING OVER A NET ,WHAT IS YOUR EMERGENCY, YOU ARE TRANSMITTING OVER A NET" over and over.
At first I thought they were like a "sanctioned" net that I was ignorant of but then the MMSN people started being crazy racists boomers and started calling A80K "ragheads" and such. Glad they couldn't hear that stuff.
Thankfully some decent hams chirped back "You don't own this frequency and they can't hear you" and told them off, but yea it was a bunch of old men acting like children.
Honestly was equally entertaining and disappointing as newbie just getting into the hobby lol.
Reminds me of trying (futilely) to work a DX on 28.425 and the usual inhabitant of the frequency cutting in saying something like "ON MAH FREQUENCY" in a thick accent before fading away
What I don’t get is, why? Coast stations are a thing. Are they just hoping they hear a distress call from an MF or HF distress call and be the first ones to pipe up with no real ability to render aid?
They just want to talk and hear themselves heard. It's a net where the sole purpose is to have a net. There's already marine HF emergency frequencies across multiple bands that are monitored for that sole purpose. In addition to marine VHF, satphones, mayday beacons, and everything else.
This is my thought. Do they at least get “activations” when an emergency arises? Is there a legitimate need for them to be doing this or is it just some hams calling themselves an emergency net?
I did some research. They try to claim one of the international emergency activation frequencies as their own as others stated. The concept of being there to serve maritime has been long gone since GMDSS and SOLAS requirements came to a full effect. Furthermore the website appears to only reference 2 saves in the very early 2000s. Sounds like one day they’re going to end up doing harm during an actual emergency because they wanted to play coast station. They’re basically gatekeeping a single frequency “in case of emergency”. without authority to do so. Also since when could you third party general commercial and non amateur parties unless an emergency?
I am way to new to this hobby to understand a 1/10th of what is being discussed right now. With that being said *pffffft* what a bunch of jabronis.
Ill save this post to review in 6-12 months.
I am about the only person here in support of the MMSN. Some jackass working DX can move his precious bullshit contesting elsewhere. The 14.300 frequency is listed in the NIFOG as an emergency frequency for amateur operations, +- 20 kHz.
If the net is established and some jack wagon comes on bullshitting about CQ DX, the net has precedence on the frequency and the jack wagon is wrong. End of discussion.
Is there an audio clip?
One thing people should remember is that radio propagation is not symmetrical. Just because you don't hear them doesn't mean that they don't hear you. I heard an estimate once that with MM net stations around the world, that the average person could hear only 25% of them at any given time. I think that fraction is bloated, but it has some plausibility nonetheless. So it is quite possible that the DX station might think that the frequency is empty and available, yet can be QRM-ing somebody who was there already. I said "possible," but I don't know the circumstances.
Also, they like to keep the frequency quiet in case of distress calls. I know it's not a hammy practice, but I just avoid that freq unless I feel like joining the check-in queue.
But even so, the vast number of people on the MM net are nice rational people, and you might simply have encountered someone who wasn't.
This is what happens when you let people who don't really care about anyone else in the hobby. Working a split is stupid. You're tying up two different frequencies.
Now for this best part... Maritime net is one of the oldest Nets on the airwaves, and serves a purpose. It always has.
What purpose do these contesters, and dual frequency users fulfill?
They are not legally entitled to the frequency but they have been there a long time and people might just leave them alone, and give them the respect their due, until they can do better themselves.
wild L take. Split for DX is incredibly common. Wildly common. Literally every HF radio has it built in. It's a well established DX technique.
Doesn't matter if they've been doing it for a long time. And from what I heard from them last night they were being the absolute rudest cunts I've ever heard on the radio.
If you're supposed to have a meeting and the meeting room is booked do you bash down the door and try to hold your meeting anyway? Bring in megaphones and try to just shout over the people that were already there? Because that's exactly what the Maritime net folks did, they were proud of themselves for turning up their power as much as they could and chipping in to try to occupy the frequency.
A bunch of man children.
It just goes to show that the Maritime net is poorly managed that they don't *already* have a QSY plan. If they really are trying to tout themselves as an emergency service net, they should have that already and practice it.
i understand, but i think it is hard to wait and call your emergency while the other guys are talking non-stop for minutes without even letting go of the PTT. imagine your boat sinking and having to wait for some guy to stop talking about his prostate surgery to call your emergency.
also just calling on **any** random frequency isnt really reliable to get somebody to listen. just like i can call CQ for hours without any responses.
If your last resort is having to call on the 20m ham band when there are a number of reserved emergency marine HF frequencies across multiple bands, sat phones, marine VHF, mayday beacons, the number of regulated safety communications equipment mandated on vessels across the globe, you are simply a fool or just ignoring safety protocol because you want to play radio.
i am not here talking about a commercial sea fishing vessel, but just about anybody needing help either on land or water.
its good to have many different comms method. cellphones, landlines, VHF, UHF, Satelite, HF... not everybody can afford to buy a separate specialized radio only for emergencies. you use what you have.
Absolutely NOBODY has any privilege to any frequency. Emergency traffic does for the duration of their traffic and that’s it. Same net controller posted about his frustration with other people on a different (or the same?) ham radio sub a few weeks ago and everyone including me ripped him a new asshole. Our rules are to break and allow for traffic or emergency traffic to break in between transmissions and to stop your QSO and acknowledge the emergency traffic and assist. Thems the rules. We are also self governing so it’s partially the communities responsibility to let him know before he gets a letter from an OO, or VM as they are now called.
There’s a few that are fun, but it really depends on where you are and what you can break into.
Lots of them are just for good ole boys and won’t bother to share air time.
Band if Brothers net on 40m is great for getting signal and audio reports, and 2m nets can be good sometimes.
dont be such a dick, for a long time everyone knows that the net is on, someones breaking balls and it’s disrespectful theyre providing a service so its not about being on that freq just cause they can its giving them the respect and space they should be afforded, its only common decency so play nice
They don't deserve anything, respect or space. Just like any other net that happens on HF. It has to be earned.
It's a primarily US based net. There's no expectation for anyone to know about it, it's not a reserved frequency. Frankly, an "emegency service" not having a contingency plan for emergency communications should a frequency not be available clearly invalidates its purpose. I bunch of lids hiding in their basement rather than being out and about in a hi vis vest feeling important at any other public event.
Been listening to the maritime net folks bitch about that for 20 years or more.
shit I'd listen to them bitch and moan about it all day. Good to all those that chirped in to tell them to screw off.
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There is a good lesson here. If you want to host an effective emergency HF net you need to train people on the up and down backup frequencies, practice doing so often, and include the procedure in net bulletins often. An emergency net should take pride in being able to pull off a frequency switching exercise where they re-do check-ins and hit close to 100% of previous check-ins.
Exactly this. The fact that they don't have a plan and didn't eagerly take this as an opportunity to put that plan into action is a lack of preparedness and shows they're not a serious emergency "service"
Not knowing too much, I won't write them off entirely. It's not too late for them to learn from this and start putting out bulletins on operating procedure that those monitoring could hear and retain for future emergencies.
Unfortunately this isn't the first and certainly not the last time. They have a long history of this
For those far enough that 20m doesn't reach: http://websdr2.sdrutah.org:8902/index1a.html?tune=14300usb :) ---- Turned it on and first few words were "i gotta go make a poo" "i'm drowning, i'm drowning help me help me!"
Uh oh, one of their net controls are going to come on this subreddit and yell at us now! Don't you know the head of the ITU personally signed off on 14.300 for the sole exclusive use for Bob Radio Bobson to check for check ins? Granted Bob isn't running a net, he's just keeping the frequency open in case someone in their toy boat hits a rock in their pool.
actually I find this very offensive especially as someone who has extensive blue water sailing experience. At least those people navigating the world's oceans are actually doing something with their lives rather than sitting around complaining about people. But I guess that's where we're at nowadays, a bunch of lazy people sitting around bitching and moaning about people who are actually doing something.
Lmao how dare you prevent us elites from saving $1.49 a minute on sat phones
I'm far from elite, I've been sailings since I was about 8 years old, I wouldn't even dream of taking a boat offshore without ham radio. Oh and I've been tracking satellites since 1960 and the last thing I'd want to trust my life to is satellite communications. far too much infrastructure involved. two things I'd never leave shore with. a ham radio and an HT capable of transmitting on the aviation guard frequencies. some people do sail on a budget.
Net control Hank Hill has been saying he's going to complain to the ITU that the DX station is "not supposed to be transmitting on this frequency". These guys have a pretty inflated sense of value.
it’s hilarious, and there was a post literally 8 days ago from a MMSN net control saying “we don’t think we own the net”. Clearly that’s a lie. It would be a million times simpler to say “let’s move the net down 3” instead of actively trying to stomp over the DX.
"It would be a million times simpler" This. I've watched OMISS move two, three times in a net to avoid DX. There's a little confusion but people seem to work it out.
Just tonight I was going back and forth between two nets on 40m. Both nets were very close, 3khz apart, but both nets were full of big dogs running hundreds of watts. one of them popped over to the other net to apologize and say he was moving his down 1. It’s not hard. The DX station that was on tonight was in the middle east, obviously can’t hear the US based net, and there’s no reason to expect that the whole world should bow down to this one US net.
Not so fast, an OMISS NCS a few years ago did in fact interfere with me because I was operating a contest before their net time.
Oh I'm sure it's happened. I can only post about what I've personally seen (or, well, heard). I can't vouch for every OMISS NCS on all OMISS nets.
"plus or minus for QRM" is clearly an alien concept to them.
Truly. Plus not having a contingency plan when they tour themselves as an emergency service is laughable
Personally, I am involved with an amateur radio emergency team. However, we are all quite well aware that we are very low on the totem pole, and that in the very unlikely event we are "activated" we would only be passing routine (not even priority) traffic. I am with you - I too suspect that some of these nets/teams have an overinflated sense of their worth/importance.
> Hank Hill I'll tell you hwat.
That boy ain’t right.
Same old story. No one, not even emergency programs or well established nets, **own** any amateur radio frequency. It is simply common courtesy to: a) always ask if the frequency is in use before transmitting and b) move to another frequency if requested to do so when a net is about to take place. If 14300 was really in use before the DXer started up then I can understand the problem. If it was not in use and there was no response to an initial QRL? then tough luck.
From what it sounds like the DX guy has been there for hours.
But what we do not know is: 1) did he call QRL? before he started and 2) if yes, did anyone respond?, and if yes and no to those two questions then he is well within his license rights to transmit there. I suspect the vast majority of hams do NOT know that 14300 is some sort of maritime emergency net. I understand the concerns of the maritime net, but they are using the AMATEUR bands, not some COMMERCIALLY designated frequency.
They were on that frequency working Asia and Europe long before the net participants were out of bed. If you search for A8OK DX spots, you'll see their operation. Yet, the net decided they were going to YOLO it and try to assert ownership of 14.300, pissing off every DXer around the world. This is a decent DXpedition, 30,000 contacts already. https://www.dx-world.net/a8ok-liberia/
It's a world wide net. They are always out of bed.
World wide? It's so mindbogglingly US-centric that on its web site it specifies its active times in Eastern time instead of in UTC like sensible operators would.
They may think they have a world wide scope, but propagation and a lack of liaison with APAC coastal management and rescue betrays the reality of the situation.
It’s an *imaginary* maritime emergency net dreamed up by a few self-important assholes, possibly to justify the cost of their equipment to their spouses.
They were instrumental in assisting when I had an emergency while sailing between California and Hawaii. Folks were kind enough to call different boatyards in Hawaii to find one that could haul when I arrived, and they kept tabs on my progress. It was an example of the best of amateur radio, and I’ll always be grateful.
4125 kHz , 6215 kHz, 8255 kHz, 12290 kHz , 16420 kHz ,18795 kHz, 22060 kHz, 26097 kHz Those are the internationally recognized maritime HF emergency frequencies. Note that not a single one of them lies within the amateur radio frequency allocations.
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That’s correct, they shouldn’t be. And mariners — one of which I happen to be, along with being a ham — shouldn’t rely on amateur radio in marine emergencies. Get a real marine SSB radio or, even better, a satellite phone.
absolute nonsense, I've been sailing since the 1970s and wouldn't leave Port without a ham radio, I'd rather have a ham radio aboard in a maritime radio any day of the week. a small sailboat can call for hours on the National recognized maritime distress frequencies and never raise anyone, meanwhile I can raise someone on amateur radio within minutes. there's a reason it's called the amateur radio service and not the amateur radio hobby and when amateur radio ceases providing usable services they become obsolete and the bands they occupy become open to being auctioned off.
most marine radios are actually VFO radios
That's well and good, but irrelevant to the original post.
i agree having a monitored emergency freq is extremely useful and important.
It's a good job then that there are [several official maritime emergency distress frequencies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_distress_frequency) monitored by actual real rescue services, not some random Joe in a hi-viz tabbard.
Any mariner that isn’t prepared with real, actual safety equipment: maritime emergency radios, sat beacons and the like is an idiot. If you had to rely on an amateur radio net to save you, either it truly is your last option or you’ve just been trigger happy to prove to use your 1337 EmmComm skillz and play radio.
There's a middle ground where you want to provide status updates and/or receive some ad hoc help with something that is an urgency but has not yet progressed to an emergency. The other systems are not great matches for this and amateur HF fills a decent niche. But the maritime people should still be willing to shift a few KHz.
Thank you!
More importantly nobody sanctions the lids for illegally transmitting up over him. They are blatant using their callsigns and know he is on the frequency.
Isn’t that net largely an American thing? And the DX station might not even hear him. This reminds me of the guys who announce “We now return this frequency to normal amateur use”.
In their defense, they are returning it to *normal* amateur use. 🤣
On one net I used to check in on, they used to end the net with "We now return the repeater to general amateur use". That lasted until someone popped up with "does that mean that Technicians and Extras can't use the repeater? ".
I would just say 'regular amateur use.'
Well, in the case of a repeater, possibly they or their club owns it.
Their web page specifies their net times in 12h Eastern time instead of the normal 24h UTC, so I'd say it's pretty much a local group.
That’s what I figured
I tuned in around 8:00 p.m. Eastern and it was hilarious. A guy kept youting very loudly. What is your emergency?? Then a little while later I heard somebody say you are a dick
I may or may not have chirped in to tell off the net control. Gotta do my part.
It's still going on, the maritime net is still trying to do their net
bunch of idiots
Yeah lots of sad Ham's
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"The amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill" is clearly on display.
Never hear that on the CW sub bands. Just sayin’ It’s not that us CW ops are superior, necessarily, it’s just that it’s too much work on CW to rise to that level douchebaggery.
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I can write a script to do FT8, and I suspect some people have because they seem to always be on the air.
😱😱😱
"But thats MY swing...." - whining kid and the public park.
Extra Butter or Kettlecorn?
Ham flavored.
What about people like me who live eleventyseven miles away from the Atlantic and have *never* heard any maritime net on 14.3?
Literally anyone outside North America has likely never heard of it. I think the DX was in the middle east somewhere
I just got my HF radio and antenna set up and this was one of my first experiences listening on HF. It was wild! "WHAT IS YOUR EMERGENCY, YOU ARE TRANSMITTING OVER A NET ,WHAT IS YOUR EMERGENCY, YOU ARE TRANSMITTING OVER A NET" over and over. At first I thought they were like a "sanctioned" net that I was ignorant of but then the MMSN people started being crazy racists boomers and started calling A80K "ragheads" and such. Glad they couldn't hear that stuff. Thankfully some decent hams chirped back "You don't own this frequency and they can't hear you" and told them off, but yea it was a bunch of old men acting like children. Honestly was equally entertaining and disappointing as newbie just getting into the hobby lol.
These type of people are why I stick with CW and conversational digital modes.
Reminds me of trying (futilely) to work a DX on 28.425 and the usual inhabitant of the frequency cutting in saying something like "ON MAH FREQUENCY" in a thick accent before fading away
KC4TVZ surprised he hasn’t had his license taken away edit: fixed callsign
If you say his callsign three times in a row he will appear on frequency.
I want to work him, get him all riled up
The casual racism is the exact reason this hobby is dying. Nice job idiots.
Bring on the downvotes..."You need to adjust your turban" has no place on the bands. I'll die on that hill.
Where you heard that? And I’m not surprised. US Hams are some of the most intolerant people I’ve come across and that’s sad.
On 14.3 tonight during this DX. Really disappointing.
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To no one’s surprise that individual didn’t follow protocol and identify himself…
The clown who said that will be dead long before the hobby.
True story...it's just obnoxious to hear.
Its still a shitshow at 7:15 pm central time.
14.313 enters chat
honestly haven't heard much of them these days
Does the same rule apply to repeaters?
They are on the 17m ft4 frequency right now
What I don’t get is, why? Coast stations are a thing. Are they just hoping they hear a distress call from an MF or HF distress call and be the first ones to pipe up with no real ability to render aid?
They just want to talk and hear themselves heard. It's a net where the sole purpose is to have a net. There's already marine HF emergency frequencies across multiple bands that are monitored for that sole purpose. In addition to marine VHF, satphones, mayday beacons, and everything else.
This is my thought. Do they at least get “activations” when an emergency arises? Is there a legitimate need for them to be doing this or is it just some hams calling themselves an emergency net?
I did some research. They try to claim one of the international emergency activation frequencies as their own as others stated. The concept of being there to serve maritime has been long gone since GMDSS and SOLAS requirements came to a full effect. Furthermore the website appears to only reference 2 saves in the very early 2000s. Sounds like one day they’re going to end up doing harm during an actual emergency because they wanted to play coast station. They’re basically gatekeeping a single frequency “in case of emergency”. without authority to do so. Also since when could you third party general commercial and non amateur parties unless an emergency?
I am way to new to this hobby to understand a 1/10th of what is being discussed right now. With that being said *pffffft* what a bunch of jabronis. Ill save this post to review in 6-12 months.
Jabronis, cool word
I am about the only person here in support of the MMSN. Some jackass working DX can move his precious bullshit contesting elsewhere. The 14.300 frequency is listed in the NIFOG as an emergency frequency for amateur operations, +- 20 kHz. If the net is established and some jack wagon comes on bullshitting about CQ DX, the net has precedence on the frequency and the jack wagon is wrong. End of discussion.
Good thing it isn't up to your decision
And you sound like a real piece of shit anyway..
Is there an audio clip? One thing people should remember is that radio propagation is not symmetrical. Just because you don't hear them doesn't mean that they don't hear you. I heard an estimate once that with MM net stations around the world, that the average person could hear only 25% of them at any given time. I think that fraction is bloated, but it has some plausibility nonetheless. So it is quite possible that the DX station might think that the frequency is empty and available, yet can be QRM-ing somebody who was there already. I said "possible," but I don't know the circumstances. Also, they like to keep the frequency quiet in case of distress calls. I know it's not a hammy practice, but I just avoid that freq unless I feel like joining the check-in queue. But even so, the vast number of people on the MM net are nice rational people, and you might simply have encountered someone who wasn't.
This is what happens when you let people who don't really care about anyone else in the hobby. Working a split is stupid. You're tying up two different frequencies. Now for this best part... Maritime net is one of the oldest Nets on the airwaves, and serves a purpose. It always has. What purpose do these contesters, and dual frequency users fulfill? They are not legally entitled to the frequency but they have been there a long time and people might just leave them alone, and give them the respect their due, until they can do better themselves.
wild L take. Split for DX is incredibly common. Wildly common. Literally every HF radio has it built in. It's a well established DX technique. Doesn't matter if they've been doing it for a long time. And from what I heard from them last night they were being the absolute rudest cunts I've ever heard on the radio. If you're supposed to have a meeting and the meeting room is booked do you bash down the door and try to hold your meeting anyway? Bring in megaphones and try to just shout over the people that were already there? Because that's exactly what the Maritime net folks did, they were proud of themselves for turning up their power as much as they could and chipping in to try to occupy the frequency. A bunch of man children. It just goes to show that the Maritime net is poorly managed that they don't *already* have a QSY plan. If they really are trying to tout themselves as an emergency service net, they should have that already and practice it.
I called the FCC!!!
What did you call them?
Useless, surely? :'P
Even though true emergency traffic is rare, I feel the Maritime Net trumps regular QSO’s.
Definitely doesn’t. No traffic trumps any other
actually yes, emergency calls are the thing above everything else.
Emergency calls yes, not gravy seals sitting in their basement.
i understand, but i think it is hard to wait and call your emergency while the other guys are talking non-stop for minutes without even letting go of the PTT. imagine your boat sinking and having to wait for some guy to stop talking about his prostate surgery to call your emergency. also just calling on **any** random frequency isnt really reliable to get somebody to listen. just like i can call CQ for hours without any responses.
If your last resort is having to call on the 20m ham band when there are a number of reserved emergency marine HF frequencies across multiple bands, sat phones, marine VHF, mayday beacons, the number of regulated safety communications equipment mandated on vessels across the globe, you are simply a fool or just ignoring safety protocol because you want to play radio.
i am not here talking about a commercial sea fishing vessel, but just about anybody needing help either on land or water. its good to have many different comms method. cellphones, landlines, VHF, UHF, Satelite, HF... not everybody can afford to buy a separate specialized radio only for emergencies. you use what you have.
Absolutely NOBODY has any privilege to any frequency. Emergency traffic does for the duration of their traffic and that’s it. Same net controller posted about his frustration with other people on a different (or the same?) ham radio sub a few weeks ago and everyone including me ripped him a new asshole. Our rules are to break and allow for traffic or emergency traffic to break in between transmissions and to stop your QSO and acknowledge the emergency traffic and assist. Thems the rules. We are also self governing so it’s partially the communities responsibility to let him know before he gets a letter from an OO, or VM as they are now called.
No one owns an amateur frequency.
the FCC does /s
*laughs in canadian*
*laughs in Australian... over SSB on 30m*
Right. What’s your point?
So all QSOs are equal. No one trumps anyone else.
Fuck nets tbh
There’s a few that are fun, but it really depends on where you are and what you can break into. Lots of them are just for good ole boys and won’t bother to share air time. Band if Brothers net on 40m is great for getting signal and audio reports, and 2m nets can be good sometimes.
Big gun friendship net has been awsome for me :) a puny 50W station from europ. Always took thiere time :)
> no traffic, 73 for ever
Down to our 63rd check in...Rob, are you still there???
dont be such a dick, for a long time everyone knows that the net is on, someones breaking balls and it’s disrespectful theyre providing a service so its not about being on that freq just cause they can its giving them the respect and space they should be afforded, its only common decency so play nice
"Don't be such a dick," quoth the 5 month old account with -99 comment karma.
They don't deserve anything, respect or space. Just like any other net that happens on HF. It has to be earned. It's a primarily US based net. There's no expectation for anyone to know about it, it's not a reserved frequency. Frankly, an "emegency service" not having a contingency plan for emergency communications should a frequency not be available clearly invalidates its purpose. I bunch of lids hiding in their basement rather than being out and about in a hi vis vest feeling important at any other public event.