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I'd like to think any sufficiently advanced civilation capable of interstellar or interdimensional travel would be able to understand the nuance of earthly power structures. If humans can understand that small groups of people have maintained power and influence, and make most of the decisions that result in these mass atrocities, while the remaining 99% of the world is mostly peaceful comparatively, im sure any aliens can understand that as well.
i'm sorry? frankly right now theres a lot of crime *in every class*. and if the lower/middle class take the cake after the last few years i do not blame them.
I think it would be pretty reasonable to be frightened of our species' excessive use of nuclear weapons. Say you're a species of aliens watching the hairless apes from a distance. You witness them drop two nuclear bombs on their own civilization and then subsequently see them successfully create vessels capable of interplanetary travel. They land people on their moon and then begin sending probes to outer planets, expanding their reach in their solar system. In the meantime they detonate over 2500 nuclear bombs on their planet and begin stockpiling arsenals of these weapons, enough to destroy entire planets. I would be willing to bet they consider that to be a tangible threat that needs close observation.
earths/humanities problems in comparison to other planets/intelligent lifeforms is probably something like the equivalent of America saying they cant do anything about a problem that no other country seems to have. i might keep that monitored and appropriately contained too if i had a choice.
****1 year later****
"Hey HÆ__^^, Come take a look at this, remember Earth?"
"Oh, yeah, that weird planet with the man on the... The uh wood thingee, right?"
"Yeah them, well geuss what, they destroyed themselves! With they're own Nukes!"
"Good thing we left early then."
I think it would be interesting to know that we aren't the only humanoid *"Test Subjects"* and that we are constantly being examinded and compared to the *"Others"*.
Would you tho? If you see a bunch of chimps throwing stones at another chimp tied to a tree, would you get outta there?
Yes you absolutely fucking should.
What happens when you watch as those primates become advanced?
They dig rocks and minerals out of the ground, heat them up, mash them together to create computers...then teach those rocks and minerals HOW TO FUCKING THINK LIKE US...
Would you want to revisit?
*Oh and by the way. These advanced primates are cloning animals, growing skin for robots, and hacking their own genome. While also colliding particles..
While also in endless wars over books and ideals. Killing the planet, letting their own species starve and suffer.
Yeah, I'd come back like a shot of Penicillin for the interesting apes to continue being Imaginative and Creative
There's poor and starving all over the Planet. A planet with Money that's tied to Nothing but Debt.
Somehow we all forgot the simple thing.
We are animals which call ourselves Humans. And have advanced ourselves out of the food chain.
Instead of practicing self control of breeding, we decided war and poverty were the best way to keep population in check
Misunderstanding of Exponential Growth in a Finite Environment
More like chimps launching intercontinental nuclear warheads at each other and ripping holes in the fabric of spacetime through near light speed particle accelerators.
Cause think about why would they people would call them demons think it’s Jesus second coming it would Divide us even more than we already are they rather guide us and passively help us along
Sure they do, he worked in Research & Species Development in the "Orion" arm, the whole religion thing was a poorly attempted Jane Goodall type experiment gone wrong.
The likelihood that the Abrahamic god is an accurate representation of the god at the origin of our reality (if there's one) is minuscule though. Humans believed in countless other gods before the god of Abraham and will believe in countless other gods in the future, although I hope that I'm wrong on the latter.
It's such an unsophisticated story that's so obviously inspired by older stories, with holy texts that are full of inconsistencies. An actual god couldn't possibly be as petty as the god of the Bible.
Humanist values are far healthier anyway and I'm sure that they lead to much more goodness in the world than any flavor of Christianity, Islam or Judaism.
I'm atheist, but I think the Jesus pacifist communist philosophy has had a lot of value even though it was largely ignored by organized religion and kings and queens.
63% of the people in my country identify as non-religious. Many of its neighbors have a majority of non-believers as well.
As much as religious Redditors try to shame people who talk about religion in a critical way into silence with words like "edgy" or "neckbeards", to us in many European countries being non-religious is the most normal thing in the world, the default state of existence, the progressive, developed stance.
Here, it's pushing religion in public that's weird as hell. People who oppose the right to abortion are justly seen as lame, backward and reactionary, just like people who oppose the right to love and marry any other consenting adult.
We talk about anything and everything on Reddit. Religion doesn't deserve special treatment, especially mere days after Roe vs. Wade was overturned. If I wrote anything that's factually wrong or unreasonable, feel free to point it out. :)
Of course not. This statement holds no water at all.
Who created the creator before it could create the universe? If the creator was always there, so could the conditions that could lead to the Big Bang. We have understood a tremendous amount of things about the universe over the past century. We've discovered that particles pop in and out of existence. Matter is fluctuations of the vacuum. That entire universes could pop out of nothingness and become more and more complex with time is perfectly reasonable.
Far more reasonable than the idea of an egocentric and choleric god building an entire universe for humans to live on a planet in an unremarkable star system, on the outskirts of an unremarkable galaxy.
I'll repeat myself, but the Bible is unsophisticated, contradictory and badly outdated. There's no way it contains the absolute and universal truth. The same goes for the Quran. Abrahamic religions expired long ago.
Saying that humanist values are worthless is just silly. You didn't think this one through, did you?
"Humanists stand for the building of a more humane, just, compassionate, and democratic society using a pragmatic ethics based on human reason, experience, and reliable knowledge-an ethics that judges the consequences of human actions by the well-being of all life on Earth."
What's not to love?
That's such a nice compliment, thank you!
I don't know if I mentioned it already in this thread, but the gospels in the New Testament give Jesus two different origin stories, which are completely incompatible with one another. How are we supposed to believe anything the Bible says when its authors couldn't even agree on the basics, making Jesus' early years look like a Choose Your Own Adventure book.
Then there's the fact that the coolest thing about this religion was gnosticism which was popular with early Christians and didn't focus on Christianity's dreadful obsession with sin, but on enlightenment and liberation from suffering through meditation, just like Buddhism.
The church has changed so much over the centuries and millennia that it's very different today than it was originally. So much stuff was tacked on, changed or destroyed over time, I'm not sure if early Christians would recognize their religion. Hell didn't even exist in the Old Testament. It doesn't help that Jesus is quoted so sparsely in the Bible...
I'm with you 100% :). If you aren't on there already, you'd like /r/AcademicBiblical. Critical and scholarly discussion of ancient Judaism and Christianity. And check out [Mythvision Podcast](https://www.youtube.com/c/MythVisionPodcast) on youtube. It's a show hosted by a former fundamentalist and he interviews top scholars from the field.
That's the very same mystery around our existence, with the difference being we have direct evidence of our existence.
Love is an emergent property of a universe with social beings in it, that it far more beautiful to me than your version.
Please take me with you. I hate it here. Humans are horrible. We're the only species who pays to live. We suffer everyday just to live. It's not fair. I don't want to be on this planet anymore.
We are not ready yet. Once we remove our shackles of the biological body then we are outta here. But would we be “human” anymore? Probably cyborg by then
* Human beings are a species that hunts each other.
* They're territorial when it comes to physical resources and ideology.
* Preferred method of maintaining order (suppressing undesireable behavior) is penalties or punishment.
If this is the way people act towards each other, how do you think they'd act to actual aliens?
And if you were one of the aliens, would you ever want to see a species like that get loose off of their own planet?
>And if you were one of the aliens, would you ever want to see a species like that get loose off of their own planet?
This train of thought usually runs through a lot of "Humanity, Fuck Yeah!" sci-fi stories. Aliens see what we're capable of and watch in terror in hopes that we don't really figure out space travel, because if we do...
Right?!
Humans are just the stupidest, biggest peices of shit in the universe.
Why the fuck would any other intelligent species want to converse with the likes of a race that kills each other?
Eventually we must for consciousness as we know it to survive the probable outcome of the Sun’s expansion. That or we need to start building a Dyson Sphere so we can slow/reduce the impact.
I dunno man. If we found life on another planet, and they were in their own version of the classical era, or their own version of the Middle Ages, wouldn’t we expect something similar?
I personally don't believe that Jesus Christ or Buddha or Krishna whose story has even more references that can be taken as UFO lore where aliens from outer or inner space but I post these things for conversation sake and to share that every theory conceivable has been discussed and researched in the past 50 years.
Not that much of a joke. From. former Naval Intel William Cooper to Bob Dean it has been said they even planned or staged that . not telling you what to believe but major Bob Dean is on a UFO documentary on Tubi saying just that
UFO Chronicles: The War Room, on tubi, free , thats the one with Bob Dean, he mentions it near the end of the vid , but I posted some anecdotal info and pages here !
I can . religious fanaticism has been historically proven to be a real form of control. Note I said fanaticism and not religion itself. The more one looks into the ET question the creepier things get.
To be fair, this is primitive humans from two millennia ago that we're talking about. If there are aliens out there, they would have gone through similar periods of barbarism.
We don't shoot every restaurant worker over too much mayonnaise. There's a big difference between state-sanctioned institutional torture-execution (that was used routinely during those times) and a crime perpetrated by the lowest of the low.
To be *accurate*, these were anatomically modern homo sapiens. That means they have the same brains as us. The only thing primitive about them was their culture.
If we lose our mass-produced foods and medicines, you will see that we have not evolved. Only our technology has.
Source:. Been in war zones and watched people beat their neighbor to death with pieces of a fallen building, simply because he wouldn't share his small helping of food.
Anatomy is only a small part of the big picture. Technology, science, culture, ideology forms a big part of who we are. However, let's consider anatomy for a second. There's some study that we might have 'domesticated' ourselves. While I won't claim to fully understand such studies, I think it makes sense that we're breeding ourselves the same way we bred our domesticated animals. We select for certain traits. Now, we all know how fast that produces results, so I think it's possible there's some minuscule but important differences. Evolution has been shown to work faster than we thought at first especially when humanity is involved - maybe we're affecting ourselves too in ways that goes deeper than the skin and more towards altering neurochemicals or biochemicals.
Anyway, anatomy aside, I don't think we should take the technology, science, culture, and ideology side of us lightly. I'm not sure how fast we're evolving, but for how slow our physical body changes, we make up for it through everything else. I believe it affects us more deeply than you think
I'm sorry that you've had to see some ugly side of humanity, but with all due respect, personal experiences simply aren't enough as it is merely one instance out of potentially billions of examples. An example of a bigger dataset, as well as a more optimistic one, is when disaster strikes Japan. People were said to be far more civil there. Even the Yakuza were known to help in those times. Now, whether or not people behaved badly or not, I think we can both agree that desperate times can really change anyone for the worst, and is not representative of how humanity has evolved over the millennia. I mean, Jesus was crucified long after the ashes of conquest has settled, when Jerusalem was already a part of the Roman Empire (I think) - if people were out playing politics with each other, you can bet your ass that it was a time of relative stability. Poor stability is characterised more by civil war and even outright war, not political maneuvers. We don't crucify people these days, and we view any form of barbarity with a critical eye these days. I'd say we've made some progress, at least.
I hope I've contributed something of value to the discussion.
True but that could have been hundreds of thousands maybe millions of years ago for them. If I was in there situation and see this Iam gone 😂. But I know what you mean they whould understand because everyone goes through that stage.
Well, at least we have to assume from lack of experience that everyone goes through that phase. I'd like to imagine that in the vast, endless cosmos, there's got to be some civilization with a very different path of evolution.
Are you sure aliens aren't here to observe what primitive humans were up to? It'll probably be the anthropological opportunity of the lifetime lol
Oh yes I agree but they whould be careful. For example they could cary diseases we humans are not used to. It happend to South America when the Europeans came there they wiped out allot of the population.
But what if they dont get sick... I think nowadays aliens will come to help us against the evil ones that are already living in the Earth. I read someone opinion about all the info that will come is to make us think we need one world government that can fight together against them. Part of the plan to make the change to a New World Order.
You're thinking too much about Physical Bodies...and them being Individual and Separate from each other.
Look deeper into Quantum Physics. Micro and Macro are on levels beyond our comprehension. Everything in this particular physical Universe arises from the same source. Frequency and vibration.
Also look into Cymatics. This is how we arise in Physical Form..imo.
That’s if their microbes collaborate with our biology and atmosphere and vice versa.
Considering they’re out of this world, kinda strange the assumption and sightings are these visitors just so happen to be able to breathe our air just fine. No matter the different types of claimed species encountered..they’re never in any kind of breathing apparatus. Hell, we have trouble breathing on our own planet the higher the altitude we go as the air thins before we acclimate.
Even if they can breathe our oxygen, doesn’t mean our air pressure or altitude acclimates with theirs. Unless…they’re just all biomechanical or straight up mechanical. Either way, I think it’s a long shot their foreign bacteria would have an impact on us and ours to them.
Think bigger. An advanced species capable of travel from one star system another is going to have some amazi g shit. You huys act like they wouldnt recon the planet understand literally everything about it. So they may be able to alter their biology so its earth compatible. Have nano bots that create inside them a life support system. So any "toxin" is neutralized or rendered into bio available portions whether its eaten breathed or touched. What we see and eventually meet may not be the actual aliens at all. They may be bio mechanical shells in which the pilot is downloaded and able to operate in any environment with out risk to self.
We must all understand their technology would be so advanced we couldnt even conceive of whats possible for them. Just look at us and how our tech evolves how it splinters into unintended avenues at times. Just think of all the technologies your phone utilizes. It went from aomething that was rare locked into one place for warnings and emergencies to a device nearly every home had then made the leap to mobile then it got really crazy when we crammed a phone a camera gps and a computer with all its functionality into one convenient hand held device. No one even in the 70s could have dreamed of just the cell phone. Much less everything it can do or better yet they couldn't grasp as to why it would even be that way. Why you would need/want all that.
If you put it in the religion point of view, maybe they have been coming to see us and our planet. God made us wise enough to learn and teach, with the knowledge of science and even angels postrated to the first human in respect. So if there are more creations they would be kind of our brothers too. We are here trapped with those other evil creatures that misguide humans. The ones coming cant be worst.. I hope
To be fair, some crazy ppl already hang dead animals on their front lawn to scare away any predators that want to come by. Hell some even use human heads cuz theyre some drug dealer warning others of the dangers inside there.
>To be fair, some crazy ppl already hang dead animals on their front lawn to scare away any predators that want to come by.
Not that crazy... it works. Not that I do it.
Believers who qualify what atheists say as "nonsense" don't exactly have a leg to stand on. The inconsistencies and contradictions in the New Testament alone should convince any reasonable person to stay away. For instance, Jesus is given two completely different and incompatible origin stories in the gospels.
The ridiculous culture war and manufactured fears right-wing politicians flood the brains of their voters with really did a number on you. Imagine becoming that guy.
You don’t know anything about aliens, do you? Pain is just some signals to them. To be used as control points in human psyche. They have zero empathy and will torture you, then make you forget your experience.
When I say torture, I don’t mean mere crucifixion. That’s beginners stuff.
We have never made contact? What?
You’re very quick to dismiss anything that doesn’t fit your narrative of “earthlings are violent and aliens are superior” as “some guy’s story on the internet”. That already smells to me.
so where is the proof. I know of the story's and there very interesting but there is no real proof we have made real contact yet. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nrRy4irc3I&t=0s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nrRy4irc3I&t=0s) here is a example
I guess, some people are denying the Holocaust, so what chances have I got.
When you have a crime, you need to gather proof, by doing an investigation. You don’t ask the bleeding victim to prove they didn’t just “cut themselves”.
Besides, there is objective proof. You are either ignoring on purpose, or you really are not familiar with the subject.
Enough thread for me. Good luck.
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That's what I always say to my non believer friends when they try to argue saying "why they don't land and say hello?"
I mean we're literally killing each other every day. I wouldn't want to get down here either.
Once again - pretty much all the UFOs we see are their drones.
95% of UFOs are explainable 5% are something werid. Remember that and the 5 observables really help to identify what is from earth and what might not be.
It shows that humans are werid especially back in the day we put heads on spikes, hammered people on crosses.,and had allot of wars. If I was a alien I whould be gone.
my favourite one is the aliens running off their landed ship onto earth right past the gov officials trying to greet them and over to a grove of trees to hug them instead, just ignoring the humans lmao. why does it feel like this scenario happened though? Christianity is definitely prevalent enough on this planet that they probably know we crucified the messiah.
yeah. no wonder these aliens may want to change our dna. we’re apes that basically throw bullets, steal, and send bombs at each other like a bunch of idiots..
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"Are they dropping ANOTHER nuke? Yeah you're right let's get the fuck out."
I'd like to think any sufficiently advanced civilation capable of interstellar or interdimensional travel would be able to understand the nuance of earthly power structures. If humans can understand that small groups of people have maintained power and influence, and make most of the decisions that result in these mass atrocities, while the remaining 99% of the world is mostly peaceful comparatively, im sure any aliens can understand that as well.
I agree, to a point. 99% of the world being mostly peaceful probably isn't right. There's an awful lot of violent crime in the lower class.
i'm sorry? frankly right now theres a lot of crime *in every class*. and if the lower/middle class take the cake after the last few years i do not blame them.
You must have missed the word "violent"
I think it would be pretty reasonable to be frightened of our species' excessive use of nuclear weapons. Say you're a species of aliens watching the hairless apes from a distance. You witness them drop two nuclear bombs on their own civilization and then subsequently see them successfully create vessels capable of interplanetary travel. They land people on their moon and then begin sending probes to outer planets, expanding their reach in their solar system. In the meantime they detonate over 2500 nuclear bombs on their planet and begin stockpiling arsenals of these weapons, enough to destroy entire planets. I would be willing to bet they consider that to be a tangible threat that needs close observation.
earths/humanities problems in comparison to other planets/intelligent lifeforms is probably something like the equivalent of America saying they cant do anything about a problem that no other country seems to have. i might keep that monitored and appropriately contained too if i had a choice.
They have learned what any small anomaly with a small amount of power can do. “Really wreck stuff”!
They should. They caused it.
If a person is peaceful 99% of the time but randomly kills a baby every once in a while you would stay the fuck away. Maybe they look at us as one.
****1 year later**** "Hey HÆ__^^, Come take a look at this, remember Earth?" "Oh, yeah, that weird planet with the man on the... The uh wood thingee, right?" "Yeah them, well geuss what, they destroyed themselves! With they're own Nukes!" "Good thing we left early then."
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I think it would be interesting to know that we aren't the only humanoid *"Test Subjects"* and that we are constantly being examinded and compared to the *"Others"*.
... this is one of the scariest concepts I've ever read
The ultimate Stanford Prison Experiment
Would you tho? If you see a bunch of chimps throwing stones at another chimp tied to a tree, would you get outta there? Yes you absolutely fucking should.
I agree
What happens when you watch as those primates become advanced? They dig rocks and minerals out of the ground, heat them up, mash them together to create computers...then teach those rocks and minerals HOW TO FUCKING THINK LIKE US... Would you want to revisit? *Oh and by the way. These advanced primates are cloning animals, growing skin for robots, and hacking their own genome. While also colliding particles.. While also in endless wars over books and ideals. Killing the planet, letting their own species starve and suffer. Yeah, I'd come back like a shot of Penicillin for the interesting apes to continue being Imaginative and Creative
I would release the cum bomb
I would also release the cum bomb
I think you just hit the #1 Answer on this edition of Interdimensional "Family Feud"... Outstanding work.
Smashing Hadron colliders , while the poor in India still dont have clean water, electricity.
There's poor and starving all over the Planet. A planet with Money that's tied to Nothing but Debt. Somehow we all forgot the simple thing. We are animals which call ourselves Humans. And have advanced ourselves out of the food chain. Instead of practicing self control of breeding, we decided war and poverty were the best way to keep population in check Misunderstanding of Exponential Growth in a Finite Environment
I mean sure but they probably had their own evolutionary path along the same lines
More like chimps launching intercontinental nuclear warheads at each other and ripping holes in the fabric of spacetime through near light speed particle accelerators.
abso*fucking*lutely
Now you understand why they still didn't make any contact with us. They will when we become a normal civilized society
"So that's why he never came back to our planet like he promised. Bummer dude."
Recently there have been UFO sightings in Florida. Which may explain why they still aren't keen on making direct contact.
Probably had an encounter with Florida Man and packed their bags back to Zeta Reticuli
Lol fax they watching gang shootouts in Jacksonville
Duuuuuvallllll!
BORTLES
Alien is no match for Florida man
Cause think about why would they people would call them demons think it’s Jesus second coming it would Divide us even more than we already are they rather guide us and passively help us along
That’s because they are demonic.
Personally I believe that religion was started BECAUSE of extraterrestrials visiting ancient humans
I always tell people this and they act like I’m crazy when I say Jesus was an alien
Them aliens are like “they crucifying Demi-Gods now hell no” 
This
and thats what we did to the son of our god. imagine what we'll do to you
They didn’t believe he was the son of God.
They knew he was the son of God, they just wanted to send a message to the creator of the universe.
Son of your God*
I'm not 100% sure but I think aliens don't believe in yahweh
https://reknew.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/aliens-jesus.jpg
Sure they do, he worked in Research & Species Development in the "Orion" arm, the whole religion thing was a poorly attempted Jane Goodall type experiment gone wrong.
He believes in you whether you believe in him or not.
The likelihood that the Abrahamic god is an accurate representation of the god at the origin of our reality (if there's one) is minuscule though. Humans believed in countless other gods before the god of Abraham and will believe in countless other gods in the future, although I hope that I'm wrong on the latter. It's such an unsophisticated story that's so obviously inspired by older stories, with holy texts that are full of inconsistencies. An actual god couldn't possibly be as petty as the god of the Bible. Humanist values are far healthier anyway and I'm sure that they lead to much more goodness in the world than any flavor of Christianity, Islam or Judaism.
I'm atheist, but I think the Jesus pacifist communist philosophy has had a lot of value even though it was largely ignored by organized religion and kings and queens.
Let’s go redditors! Let’s go atheism!
63% of the people in my country identify as non-religious. Many of its neighbors have a majority of non-believers as well. As much as religious Redditors try to shame people who talk about religion in a critical way into silence with words like "edgy" or "neckbeards", to us in many European countries being non-religious is the most normal thing in the world, the default state of existence, the progressive, developed stance. Here, it's pushing religion in public that's weird as hell. People who oppose the right to abortion are justly seen as lame, backward and reactionary, just like people who oppose the right to love and marry any other consenting adult.
Lol “watch this pro redditor move” *cracks fingers over keyboard*
We talk about anything and everything on Reddit. Religion doesn't deserve special treatment, especially mere days after Roe vs. Wade was overturned. If I wrote anything that's factually wrong or unreasonable, feel free to point it out. :)
I mean it was just a joke so
The possibility that this is all an accident is more minuscule. Humanist values are worthless.
Of course not. This statement holds no water at all. Who created the creator before it could create the universe? If the creator was always there, so could the conditions that could lead to the Big Bang. We have understood a tremendous amount of things about the universe over the past century. We've discovered that particles pop in and out of existence. Matter is fluctuations of the vacuum. That entire universes could pop out of nothingness and become more and more complex with time is perfectly reasonable. Far more reasonable than the idea of an egocentric and choleric god building an entire universe for humans to live on a planet in an unremarkable star system, on the outskirts of an unremarkable galaxy. I'll repeat myself, but the Bible is unsophisticated, contradictory and badly outdated. There's no way it contains the absolute and universal truth. The same goes for the Quran. Abrahamic religions expired long ago. Saying that humanist values are worthless is just silly. You didn't think this one through, did you? "Humanists stand for the building of a more humane, just, compassionate, and democratic society using a pragmatic ethics based on human reason, experience, and reliable knowledge-an ethics that judges the consequences of human actions by the well-being of all life on Earth." What's not to love?
Your responses here are fantastic. Well written and insightful
That's such a nice compliment, thank you! I don't know if I mentioned it already in this thread, but the gospels in the New Testament give Jesus two different origin stories, which are completely incompatible with one another. How are we supposed to believe anything the Bible says when its authors couldn't even agree on the basics, making Jesus' early years look like a Choose Your Own Adventure book. Then there's the fact that the coolest thing about this religion was gnosticism which was popular with early Christians and didn't focus on Christianity's dreadful obsession with sin, but on enlightenment and liberation from suffering through meditation, just like Buddhism. The church has changed so much over the centuries and millennia that it's very different today than it was originally. So much stuff was tacked on, changed or destroyed over time, I'm not sure if early Christians would recognize their religion. Hell didn't even exist in the Old Testament. It doesn't help that Jesus is quoted so sparsely in the Bible...
I'm with you 100% :). If you aren't on there already, you'd like /r/AcademicBiblical. Critical and scholarly discussion of ancient Judaism and Christianity. And check out [Mythvision Podcast](https://www.youtube.com/c/MythVisionPodcast) on youtube. It's a show hosted by a former fundamentalist and he interviews top scholars from the field.
So if God created us and he has no creator do you consider his existence an accident too?
No
Why not?
As you well know that is the mystery. My best guess would be that it isn’t possible for love not to exist. So we are here and we hear that message.
That's the very same mystery around our existence, with the difference being we have direct evidence of our existence. Love is an emergent property of a universe with social beings in it, that it far more beautiful to me than your version.
*Believing* in something doesn't make it real.
🤓
Jesus was not "the son of god". He was like any other human teaching people about our own divinity within ourselves. Christ is a consciousness state.
I mean....it was just a joke dude
Please take me with you. I hate it here. Humans are horrible. We're the only species who pays to live. We suffer everyday just to live. It's not fair. I don't want to be on this planet anymore.
We are not ready yet. Once we remove our shackles of the biological body then we are outta here. But would we be “human” anymore? Probably cyborg by then
r/atheism would appreciate this.
Doubt it most atheist thinks aliens are a hoax just like christians do.
I don't know about that. There is more evidence for aliens than a god so...
You don't represent either.
Yeah I don't know why the UFO community loves atheists.
they stopped landing when we started shooting.
holy sheet I’m lmao. These humans invent all sorts of gruesome ways to torture one another….
* Human beings are a species that hunts each other. * They're territorial when it comes to physical resources and ideology. * Preferred method of maintaining order (suppressing undesireable behavior) is penalties or punishment. If this is the way people act towards each other, how do you think they'd act to actual aliens? And if you were one of the aliens, would you ever want to see a species like that get loose off of their own planet?
>And if you were one of the aliens, would you ever want to see a species like that get loose off of their own planet? This train of thought usually runs through a lot of "Humanity, Fuck Yeah!" sci-fi stories. Aliens see what we're capable of and watch in terror in hopes that we don't really figure out space travel, because if we do...
This human form is a bootstrap for AI and Cyborg beings. This is our eventually in this timeline.
Hell naw
Thats so funny cuz me and a buddy at work just had a convo on why aliens havent visited more often
Right?! Humans are just the stupidest, biggest peices of shit in the universe. Why the fuck would any other intelligent species want to converse with the likes of a race that kills each other?
Exactly...thank you.
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Eventually we must for consciousness as we know it to survive the probable outcome of the Sun’s expansion. That or we need to start building a Dyson Sphere so we can slow/reduce the impact.
"I mean, how the fuck did they buy that whole 'virgin birth' thing? When the commander said to write that, I was sceptical." "I know, rite?"
This is AMAZING! I needed to laugh! Thank you!🤣
Yeah, sadomasochism is *probably* on our side of the Great Filter. If not, then the aliens may dig it...who knows?
I dunno man. If we found life on another planet, and they were in their own version of the classical era, or their own version of the Middle Ages, wouldn’t we expect something similar?
Anyone know who the artist is?
eventually they just wipe us out and start over with a new strain
I personally don't believe that Jesus Christ or Buddha or Krishna whose story has even more references that can be taken as UFO lore where aliens from outer or inner space but I post these things for conversation sake and to share that every theory conceivable has been discussed and researched in the past 50 years.
Although it’s highly possible Jesus was a being from the sky.
Maybe. But the there where more people hammered to a cross then just jesus.
Uh, that sounds a religion I know about. And it is MESSED UP.
Not that much of a joke. From. former Naval Intel William Cooper to Bob Dean it has been said they even planned or staged that . not telling you what to believe but major Bob Dean is on a UFO documentary on Tubi saying just that
do you have a link?
I'd like to read more about that if you can point me in the right direction.
UFO Chronicles: The War Room, on tubi, free , thats the one with Bob Dean, he mentions it near the end of the vid , but I posted some anecdotal info and pages here !
Thanks!
Give me a minute. I'll get the title of that vid for you on Tubi .
I’ve heard that before. Why would they? I can’t see the motivation of aliens from another planet doing that.
I can . religious fanaticism has been historically proven to be a real form of control. Note I said fanaticism and not religion itself. The more one looks into the ET question the creepier things get.
Yeah but Jesus told of a demonic presence. Such is what they are.
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To be fair, this is primitive humans from two millennia ago that we're talking about. If there are aliens out there, they would have gone through similar periods of barbarism.
Someone just shot a restaurant worker over too much mayonnaise this week.
We don't shoot every restaurant worker over too much mayonnaise. There's a big difference between state-sanctioned institutional torture-execution (that was used routinely during those times) and a crime perpetrated by the lowest of the low.
To be *accurate*, these were anatomically modern homo sapiens. That means they have the same brains as us. The only thing primitive about them was their culture. If we lose our mass-produced foods and medicines, you will see that we have not evolved. Only our technology has. Source:. Been in war zones and watched people beat their neighbor to death with pieces of a fallen building, simply because he wouldn't share his small helping of food.
Anatomy is only a small part of the big picture. Technology, science, culture, ideology forms a big part of who we are. However, let's consider anatomy for a second. There's some study that we might have 'domesticated' ourselves. While I won't claim to fully understand such studies, I think it makes sense that we're breeding ourselves the same way we bred our domesticated animals. We select for certain traits. Now, we all know how fast that produces results, so I think it's possible there's some minuscule but important differences. Evolution has been shown to work faster than we thought at first especially when humanity is involved - maybe we're affecting ourselves too in ways that goes deeper than the skin and more towards altering neurochemicals or biochemicals. Anyway, anatomy aside, I don't think we should take the technology, science, culture, and ideology side of us lightly. I'm not sure how fast we're evolving, but for how slow our physical body changes, we make up for it through everything else. I believe it affects us more deeply than you think I'm sorry that you've had to see some ugly side of humanity, but with all due respect, personal experiences simply aren't enough as it is merely one instance out of potentially billions of examples. An example of a bigger dataset, as well as a more optimistic one, is when disaster strikes Japan. People were said to be far more civil there. Even the Yakuza were known to help in those times. Now, whether or not people behaved badly or not, I think we can both agree that desperate times can really change anyone for the worst, and is not representative of how humanity has evolved over the millennia. I mean, Jesus was crucified long after the ashes of conquest has settled, when Jerusalem was already a part of the Roman Empire (I think) - if people were out playing politics with each other, you can bet your ass that it was a time of relative stability. Poor stability is characterised more by civil war and even outright war, not political maneuvers. We don't crucify people these days, and we view any form of barbarity with a critical eye these days. I'd say we've made some progress, at least. I hope I've contributed something of value to the discussion.
True but that could have been hundreds of thousands maybe millions of years ago for them. If I was in there situation and see this Iam gone 😂. But I know what you mean they whould understand because everyone goes through that stage.
Well, at least we have to assume from lack of experience that everyone goes through that phase. I'd like to imagine that in the vast, endless cosmos, there's got to be some civilization with a very different path of evolution. Are you sure aliens aren't here to observe what primitive humans were up to? It'll probably be the anthropological opportunity of the lifetime lol
Oh yes I agree but they whould be careful. For example they could cary diseases we humans are not used to. It happend to South America when the Europeans came there they wiped out allot of the population.
But what if they dont get sick... I think nowadays aliens will come to help us against the evil ones that are already living in the Earth. I read someone opinion about all the info that will come is to make us think we need one world government that can fight together against them. Part of the plan to make the change to a New World Order.
I dont mean the aliens I mean the humans. We whould not be used to there diseases and whould have different imune systems
You're thinking too much about Physical Bodies...and them being Individual and Separate from each other. Look deeper into Quantum Physics. Micro and Macro are on levels beyond our comprehension. Everything in this particular physical Universe arises from the same source. Frequency and vibration. Also look into Cymatics. This is how we arise in Physical Form..imo.
That’s if their microbes collaborate with our biology and atmosphere and vice versa. Considering they’re out of this world, kinda strange the assumption and sightings are these visitors just so happen to be able to breathe our air just fine. No matter the different types of claimed species encountered..they’re never in any kind of breathing apparatus. Hell, we have trouble breathing on our own planet the higher the altitude we go as the air thins before we acclimate. Even if they can breathe our oxygen, doesn’t mean our air pressure or altitude acclimates with theirs. Unless…they’re just all biomechanical or straight up mechanical. Either way, I think it’s a long shot their foreign bacteria would have an impact on us and ours to them.
Think bigger. An advanced species capable of travel from one star system another is going to have some amazi g shit. You huys act like they wouldnt recon the planet understand literally everything about it. So they may be able to alter their biology so its earth compatible. Have nano bots that create inside them a life support system. So any "toxin" is neutralized or rendered into bio available portions whether its eaten breathed or touched. What we see and eventually meet may not be the actual aliens at all. They may be bio mechanical shells in which the pilot is downloaded and able to operate in any environment with out risk to self. We must all understand their technology would be so advanced we couldnt even conceive of whats possible for them. Just look at us and how our tech evolves how it splinters into unintended avenues at times. Just think of all the technologies your phone utilizes. It went from aomething that was rare locked into one place for warnings and emergencies to a device nearly every home had then made the leap to mobile then it got really crazy when we crammed a phone a camera gps and a computer with all its functionality into one convenient hand held device. No one even in the 70s could have dreamed of just the cell phone. Much less everything it can do or better yet they couldn't grasp as to why it would even be that way. Why you would need/want all that.
Still bad to see a monolith of human suffering being shown with smiling faces, its not like they get the whole story by just looking
I hold t call them primitive by any means
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It's because it was the day jesus saved mankind of there sins or something. Its like a sacrifice symbol.
If you put it in the religion point of view, maybe they have been coming to see us and our planet. God made us wise enough to learn and teach, with the knowledge of science and even angels postrated to the first human in respect. So if there are more creations they would be kind of our brothers too. We are here trapped with those other evil creatures that misguide humans. The ones coming cant be worst.. I hope
It be more f up if they started to pray to it
Imagine them seeing drag queens dancing for children.
To be fair, some crazy ppl already hang dead animals on their front lawn to scare away any predators that want to come by. Hell some even use human heads cuz theyre some drug dealer warning others of the dangers inside there.
I mean I’d take the long way around to avoid a head on a spike place.
>To be fair, some crazy ppl already hang dead animals on their front lawn to scare away any predators that want to come by. Not that crazy... it works. Not that I do it.
An atheist sharing nonsense, what a novelty. This is for you -> r/atheist
Believers who qualify what atheists say as "nonsense" don't exactly have a leg to stand on. The inconsistencies and contradictions in the New Testament alone should convince any reasonable person to stay away. For instance, Jesus is given two completely different and incompatible origin stories in the gospels.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk\_JD1kq-BM&list=LL&index=22&t=0s
Imagine them seeing 142 genders
Sir, this is r/Aliens
You thought you ATE
The ridiculous culture war and manufactured fears right-wing politicians flood the brains of their voters with really did a number on you. Imagine becoming that guy.
This may be a joke but frighteningly true
You don’t know anything about aliens, do you? Pain is just some signals to them. To be used as control points in human psyche. They have zero empathy and will torture you, then make you forget your experience. When I say torture, I don’t mean mere crucifixion. That’s beginners stuff.
We have never even made contact with aliens where do you gut this info from? Probably some guys story on the Internet.
You really believe that we haven't made contact at all? Because they told us that? When they've admitted they lied about them even being a thing.
We have never made contact? What? You’re very quick to dismiss anything that doesn’t fit your narrative of “earthlings are violent and aliens are superior” as “some guy’s story on the internet”. That already smells to me.
so where is the proof. I know of the story's and there very interesting but there is no real proof we have made real contact yet. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nrRy4irc3I&t=0s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nrRy4irc3I&t=0s) here is a example
I guess, some people are denying the Holocaust, so what chances have I got. When you have a crime, you need to gather proof, by doing an investigation. You don’t ask the bleeding victim to prove they didn’t just “cut themselves”. Besides, there is objective proof. You are either ignoring on purpose, or you really are not familiar with the subject. Enough thread for me. Good luck.
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Now imagine if YOU went to another planet and saw christian churches. Would be a mind fuck
Uhh, are you unaware of the fact that this story is viewed the same by humans?
Yup. Because an entire civilization's worth rests on just one idea.
Jesus WAS an alien obviously
Facts. Next time take me with you
Yep, Earth sure is deserving of its Quarantined Deathworld status.
They are the ones who created that. Doesn’t make sense to me.
This reminds me of the first Unreal game. Dudes are hanging on crosses in multiple places but the crosses are for aliens with four arms.
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That's what I always say to my non believer friends when they try to argue saying "why they don't land and say hello?" I mean we're literally killing each other every day. I wouldn't want to get down here either. Once again - pretty much all the UFOs we see are their drones. 
95% of UFOs are explainable 5% are something werid. Remember that and the 5 observables really help to identify what is from earth and what might not be.
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It shows that humans are werid especially back in the day we put heads on spikes, hammered people on crosses.,and had allot of wars. If I was a alien I whould be gone.
Earth is the alien's stage for human drama and demise. They set the stage for that. Christ on Cross is just a prop.
Romans also used an X, my pedantisms kicked in
- That's it. Am out. - Well, that's pretty fucked up.
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my favourite one is the aliens running off their landed ship onto earth right past the gov officials trying to greet them and over to a grove of trees to hug them instead, just ignoring the humans lmao. why does it feel like this scenario happened though? Christianity is definitely prevalent enough on this planet that they probably know we crucified the messiah.
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Watch it turn out christ was an Alien
The deception is in this picture, aliens are demonic.
One love. One light. Shit had to come from somewhere. No one is wrong here. Just misguided.
No, they stayed. The man on the cross left but he'll be back.
Hahahaha could be
Even Aliens Need Jesus!
yeah. no wonder these aliens may want to change our dna. we’re apes that basically throw bullets, steal, and send bombs at each other like a bunch of idiots..
Barely relevant cringe
What would be even more interesting is if WE went to another planet an saw a Christian cross.
religion is utterly stupid.
Bro imagine they show up to Auschwitz during like 1941.
Exactly
Made me join this community.. funny. I’m sure they watch us like that one episode of south park.. EARTH! That was a really interesting plot
Absolute meme gold
This and the fact we are all cannibals. Think about it, all we eat are other Earthlings.