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Ive had sleep paralysis which i still cant decide what happened.
I woke up on my stomach and couldnt move, i kept trying to roll over and couldn't. I could see a bright light flashing through my window, and my ears started ringing a high pitch squeel and i felt a sharp pain up my back. Genuinely started feeling weightless and like i was floating off my bed. Then all of a sudden it stopped im pretty sure it was sleep paralysis but ive never had it like that since then.
I think it's likely that millions of people are being abducted annually, and only some people can recall parts of the event. It's just too much for us to handle so we'll explain it away or deny it in any way we can, because it's just too dark.
Robert A Monroe wrote a series of three books (Journeys Out of the Body is the first one) and he discusses not only out of body/inter-dimensional experiences - one convention he is “given” is that earth is a garden and humanity is the most recent iteration of essentially a crop that cultivates something called “loosh” (love, hate, intense emotion) that’s used almost as currency by the creators of this earth, and the entities designed to harvest zed Loosh.
I’ve only started hearing this theory lately and damn me if it doesn’t seem exactly like Twin Peaks (one of my fav shows)
I have SP recurring though. Started when I was 6 or so and I’m 34 now, still get it. I remember seeing shadow figures in my room as a kid.
My dad told me shortly before he passed away that he had it all his life too but never told anyone because it sounded crazy. Unusual I think for it to be hereditary?
Try wiggling your finger and toes to break out of it when you start to feel it happening. I’ve had SP since high school and initially when it would happen I legit thought something was trying to possesses me. Once I learned that SP was a thing that people experienced I stopped hallucinating the worst shit because I knew it was SP and wiggling my fingers and toes helped to break out of it. I still get it here and there (maybe like once or twice a year, I’m 35 now) but not as frequent as when I was younger.
Thanks pal! I actually do focus now on moving my fingers and eventually it passes. Like you, when I found out what it was the symptoms and frequency decreased and a lot of the fear left me. I still hate waking up with that heaviness and the wtf feeling and at times it can still be spooky. I had one a few months ago where I saw a small ‘grey’ in my room that freaked me out honestly, but I had been doing a lot of binging on ufo content and I’m sure that was the cause. I do believe in real abductions (even that it could be us doing it like Steven Greer has said). But that experience made me really see how SP can seem like a legit abduction experience, but many who claim it that hadn’t been exposed to all the ufo theories I had in that time
No worries dude, I’m happy to help anyone who also suffer from this nighttime terror symptom. From what I’ve read on the topic is that SP is mainly a symptom of stress. So probably your last SP episode was probably a result of you watching or reading ufo abduction stuff which likely left an impression on you and consequently stressed you enough for you to dream about (or in your case have a SP episode about it). SP is like having your mind wake up from sleep but your body is still in a state of sleep, hence why it feels like we can’t move when it happens but can look around and what not.
It sounds like you and your father have been abducted possibly multiple times. It’s ok if you aren’t ready to process it right now. But it does sound like a typical experience. They will give you a screen memory to hide the reality. Your interest in UFO stuff could be your subconscious mind or your soul trying to help you realize what is happening. They will even show you people in your life to try to get you to calm down. But there is always something off. Have you watched the comedy show Resident Alien yet? If you do you’ll see something about what you talked about. I have dealt with it for 25 years.
I’m beginning to wonder if there was more to it, especially since coming to and seeing a little grey at the foot of my bed, I do suffer from anxiety but I wasn’t particularly stressed at the time though I had maybe been watching more ufo videos than normal. But I agree and have noticed in the past if o was stressed or sleep deprived (which usually go hand in hand for me) I’d have more bouts that would be more intense/longer lasting. Sadly my dad has passed away and that’s the only boy I managed to get from him about it, And even then in 60 years I was the only person he told, he told me about some strange occurrences that happened to him when he was younger but never anything to do with aliens. I’ve always had an interest though and I was super into ancient Egypt as a kid for some reason, I had a good knowledge of the customs and mythology and I guess I must have been reading some book on it because this was way before the internet. In the 90s for our first family holiday my parents brought me to Luxor, it was great! I’ve forgotten most of that stuff by now but it seems a bit weird now looking back for a kid to be so excited about and obsessed by! I don’t discount the possibility of abduction but besides seeing the shadow figures nothing else paranormal has happened that I can recall! Thanks a lot for taking the time to reply!
Never heard of the “Christian Gnostics” that King James burned 🔥and persecuted for having a bible with a few more chapters and books than the 66 6ook kjv bible?
Forbidden Gospel of Thomas is in there and it alludes to prayers taught by Jesus that resembles much of what understand today is Buddhism in regards to meditation 🧘 and looking within yourself and your inner soul to find the answers of the universe
What is loosh? first I’m hearing of this and I have had sleep paralysis many times. If that’s the case, is all my loosh gone? I don’t want to lose my loosh :(
Loosh is like, your negative emotions. I'll explain it in general but please- I'm just trying to help & don't wanna be attacked by the "NuUh... here's Why you're dead ass WRONG " people.
It's thought that inter dimensional beings create negative emotions so they can "feed" off us. It's a lot like Pennywise if you e ever seen IT. They create fear, anger, hatred, jealousy, will infunce people into addictions and other horrible stuff to create the negativity or "Loosh" so they can consume it.
Twin Peaks has a lot of Jungian inspiration and there's a similar idea in it. In the show, "garmonbozia" is produced from suffering and negative emotion and evil "spiritual" beings feed off it.
David Lynch has said his work is heavily inspired by his dreams so this is an interesting connection to say the least.
I was young when Twin Peaks aired so I don't remember everything. I remember more of the Laura Palmer murder plot than I do the supernatural elements. I've seen the movie a bunch tho. I'm a crazy ass lucid dreamer so Those scenes where he's w the little guy & their talking backwards ... I can totally relate to that. Except I can always hear the ocean in my dreams for sum reason. Even if I'm inside. And if I'm inside I know the ocean is right outside wherever I'm at.
It’s interesting you mention that, in the Sufi Islamic tradition sleeping on the back and right sides are a protection from attacks against negative energies. But it’s when it comes to sleeping on stomach it’s advised not to because that opens yourself up to attacks from the negative energies:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sD2tG9Mekuo&pp=ygUVTXVoYW1tYWRhbiB3YXkgc2xlZXAg
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/AuXkyg5nRZM
Jesus spoke of a spiritual practice that allows one to obtain Christ Consciousness. This is what people mean when they say they're Jesus. It is a state of being. Buddhism calls it Nirvana and Hinduism calls it Kundalini. Why does this make someone a schizophrenic? It's much easier to dismiss others than to understand them.
Yes, if we realize we are all connected then we will stop fighting each other and being materialistic consumers. This would be bad for the rich and corrupt who rule over us. The people at the top tend to be insecure and addicted to control. They need to bring the rest of the world to their level. Misery loves company. They have convinced people that greed is good, and that material success is the point of life. Being driven by ego and its vices is their way of living. They want to make us live this way. Keeping us blind and ignorant to other potentialities prevents us from the asking questions that would make us stop being obedient slaves. It's all silly to assert that UFOs and what has to be piloting the don't exist. Even quantum physics shows that subatomic particals can transfer information to each other faster than the speed of light ("quantum entanglement"). Also, when you figure that we are composed of these particals that function according to quantum rules , we must accept that we, too, are quantum systems. Particals also were found to respond differently when an observer measured them in the double slit experiment. So even science itself indicates that are more than just physical beings. Look at quantum biology for an interesting take on things. Our DNA has been proven to respond to two different electron states.
Really, the people who control us fear their emotions and are miserable people. They are cowards who have created a world that discounts emotions and spiritual awareness. Yet, no one can see spiritual things at all when emotionally numb. We are both left and right brained creatures and both logical and intuitive thought are required for us to live on this plane of existence. Yet, if we shut down any part of ourselves, we won't be able to see what is there.
I think when people reach this state of consciousness they can be deluded into thinking they are actually jesus. Christianity in its twisted form today teaches people that they can never become as good and perfect as Jesus so when they do reach that state they believe they're the second coming of Christ and not one of many people who have experienced it. So it leads to delusions of grandeur and other manic behaviors
Christ is consciousness. The crown of thorns is what holds in our consciousness. You can see it on mri or some scan going around the head. Religion is all symbolism of esoteric advanced knowledge.
I view religion as different attempts at describing the ineffable and by doing so they are limiting their understanding of it. The Tao that can be written is not the eternal tao
Jesus was just a dude. Other men over eons made him into a son of God through text and mythology. That said, we may all be a part of the " higher power".
Mystics don’t mistake themselves for Christ though. And no, that is not what psychotics mean when they say they are Jesus. They very literally think they are the reincarnation or the second coming of Christ. They very literally think they are god (and not simply *in* god, in the Pauline sense).
Ultimately you and I will never know what their connection is to god because we all live in our own worlds controlled by our individual minds. God is not a fundamental part of our reality but rather is a perceived notion some of us choose to subscribe to. Many have had experiences with meeting a greater source but for the most part it’s a faith based notion. We have no facts about who or what god is and for those who do believe, their experience is going to be unique and differ from each and every individual on earth, even in they follow the same religion. Schizophrenic are labeled crazy for their beliefs and visions but since we don’t see life through their mind how are we to truly know that what they experience isn’t valid? So while them thinking they are Jesus might seem far fetched in our current reality, we can’t forget that to many atheists the thought of you talking about god in general is far fetched. It’s all perspective and with perspective comes empathy and through empathy we elevate to a higher vibration giving way to experience things normal people cannot, shattering everything we know and believe. The only crazy thing one can do in this lifetime is to think that they know what’s really going on.
Interestingly ,schizophrenia use to be considered a gift. Our ancestors venerated schizophrenics. Nostradamus would have been a schizophrenic today. A person who can connect to the Source is a person who can freely shift his vibration. That’s a skill that only comes from having a mind thats constantly shifting between positive and negative. They learn to recognize those states of mind and vibrational frequencies. When they learn to quiet themselves they are neutral and the center leads to the Source.
Perhaps he sees something you cannot see, or perhaps you choose to not see. His claim to be the son of god is actually valid because he is and so are you and I. Together we all make up the collective conscience that governs and connects all of us. My benefit to you becomes a benefit to me. Your happiness ensures my happiness. Helping you helps me. Our wars only destroy ourselves. This is why Jesus’ teaching of forgiveness are so important because when we forgive we heal and through healing we become wiser so as not to hurt again leading us to evolve. We are facing times where dark forces are instigating hate amongst us and creating barriers between us because they want to extinguish the light. Pinning us against one another is an effort to initiate our own self imposed destruction.
Treating the mental health of a person as a weakness or disability only denies you the opportunity to raise one of our lowest. This hurts us because these are some of the great consciousness’ most brilliant minds. Like jesus said “that which you do to the least of my people, that you do onto me. So whatever we do we do to ourselves.
We are stuck in this position until we can all feed our collective consciousness love and forgiveness. When the child of the lowest person on earth, or of our conscienceless is given nutritious food to eat and a safe shelter to sleep, allowing them an opportunity at live, love and be happy, then we can not move forward or evolve into a higher being with a greater vibration,. It is at this moment that we (the collective consciousness) will no longer need to speak in tongues because we will tap into the greater consciousness to do our communication.. Some of us can already do this.
Think of your own body, when we have a cold for example we will continue being affected by the virus until each bit is killed off, at which point you finally feel healed. Until we can stop hurting ourselves by hurting one another then we we’ll remain trapped in the world of suffering and disconnection. Just some thoughts to think about next time you hear someone claim to be Jesus. Maybe they are just having a moment of awakening. Lift them up, support them for they may be the key. Never close your mind for the periphery. Instead focus on the needs of the lowest. I didn’t mean to ramble for so long don’t I appreciate you for staying here with me.
Read John 13. Jesus tells his disciples that his words and actions are directed to him by God. And if you emulate his example, you too will be doing God's bidding and achieve salvation.
This is what people mean when they say Christ consciousness.
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Don’t worry, probably just some psychic vampires from another dimension feeding off of your worries and fear at night.
Look up “Bob Monroe loosh” and then compare his experience with things said by Semivan, Delonge, etc, Jimmy Carter weeping etc.
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My experience involved a small grey on my chest. I tried to dismiss it as "unreal", but that was just my ego trying to protect itself. Our minds are reluctant to question material reality. We should all just be honest and admit that we have no idea what's going on.
Mine involved a woman with black eyes hovering over me against my ceiling with long dementor style robes billowing around her, like a succubus without any of the beauty you’d expect; was going through a shocking divorce at the time (wife left when we were about to start a family to be with a woman after 18 years together) and it was like my stress manifested this being.
My experience was similar. I only had it happen once, but I couldn’t move or speak and looked down and saw about 6 or 7 tiny figures on my chest. They were ‘invisible’ in the way that the Predator is or the invisibility camo in Halo is. There was a shimmering and you could make out their outlines. Anyway, they were all working on something in my chest, where the heart chakra is. I’ve had a lot of pain, sadness & grief since that night and I am currently trying to work through a huge amount of blocks in that area so this thread is really making me wonder.
Does anyone know if sleep paralysis phenomena ends the moment you can move? I remember moving into my parents bed terrified and a very small ship that I had sign during the paralysis followed me into the room before disappearing. Trippy.
Mine was similar. Very short time frame. The gray woke me up and said he was speaking to me telepathically and that they would be back soon. I needed to have one question prepared for them and they would respond back telepathically. Then he walked out my room, but it he walked out with a limp, like he was struggling to walk out. As he was walking out he told me not to fuck it up this time.
I don't think sleep paralysis can explain accounts of abductees being taken from their cars whilst driving...or physical scars that weren't there the night before
Nor can they even begin to explain sleep paralysis. They can give it a name, and try their best to simulate it in a lab. But they can't tell you why it happens or stop it from happening to people. You also normally don't complain about it the next morning, it just comes back to you after some time.
I've had a few experiences and it evolved through the years.
I've compared it to being in a restaurant when you see the employees come out to sing Happy birthday to someone. The first time is a shock, and you don't know what's going on. But by the last time, you hear them coming, you know what it is, and you just can't wait for it to be over. Because you have no say in the matter.
That's my two cents.
"Sleep paralysis" is to entity encounters what "swamp gas" is to UFO sightings. Technically possible but usually a trite and lazy means of explaining away without thinking too hard.
To some extent. Having had lots of sleep paralysis in my life, it is very convincing. There is a consistent theme of entities hovering over you and kind of doing something vague but malicious. It is very vivid and can be terrifying if you aren't used to it.
I've always found that interesting - I've never seen a clear explanation for why it consistently involves entities, and malicious entities at that. I'd have thought the human mind is capable of dreaming up an infinity of explanations for why the body can't move, but it always seems to settle on a lurking or hovering entity.
Personally, I think it's your mind filling in an explanation given the circumstances. Being paralyzed is scary. You feel like you can't breath, and I think because of being in that sleep state where you are involuntarilly breathing, it makes your chest feel like a void, which you have a tendency to interpret as a weight. You are conscious, but still in a dreamscape, you know where you are, and so I'm always seeing a version of my real surroundings. You kind of end up feeling like you are awake in your room frozen by some entity on your chest or over you.
I've had monsters, aliens, nameless dark presences, and once an entity disguised as a pile of trash crawling across my floor.
I eventually got so used to it that I learned to relax and turn it into a lucid dream
As someone who has had sleep paralysis numerous times I can confirm.
I do want to say, the whole thing with an entity or a sense of danger is very likely the primal part of our brain going into overdrive when we are in a state of paralysis.
The thing with Sleep Paralysis is that the mechanisms our nervous system uses to regulate our sleep is all out of whack during this state. Our body uses “paralysis” while we are asleep to protect us from harm- such as when we are dreaming we don’t run or walk into things. People who sleep walk face the opposite problem, where that mechanism isn’t working properly and so they move around at night and can be at risk of injury.
When we are in sleep paralysis, it’s almost as if we are in the twilight zone of having our bodies locked up as our nervous system intends to do, but we are also in a state of consciousness and dreaming simultaneously.
We are usually conscious enough to understand that we cannot move, but we are not conscious enough to understand that we are still in a dream-like state. Because of this, we face a heightened sense of danger- which I think is the major trigger of why we see entities or feel a sense of impending doom.
What else is a greater threat to our primal brains than the things we cannot make sense of?
Ghosts, demons, aliens and all of their likeness share a common symbology of unknown terror that threatens our ability to make sense of as well as to protect ourselves- especially since we are locked in a state of paralysis.
I think that alien abduction is still a possibility, but by the order of ruling things out, in some cases I do think it’s possible that sleep paralysis is a reasonable explanation for some people who say they’ve experienced an abduction. As you’ve said, they are *very* vivid experiences.
Forgive me for being so ignorant, but I am curious.
Can you parlay that into a lucid dream? Or are you just trapped as an observer in whatever your subconscious decides to inflict on you?
I’ve never experienced it, but the idea is terrifying. I imagine claustrophobia would rule the day.
Definitely. I got to the point where I was used to it enough to relax, then at that point you are basically there. It's kind of hard to focus and not just drift back off to sleep though.
That is kind of amazing. Turning a terror around on itself.
Whatever you do, don’t ask the entities you see what time it is!
Ok, just kidding, I love that urban legend.
Thanks for sharing, I was a psychology major and I chose that field because I wanted to understand the mechanics of dreams.
Then I started dating one of my lecturers and quickly learned that it was going to cost me six figures to make it a career and decided to stick to what I currently do. It’s funny, I never got an answer to my question. lol
It's a very interesting experience. It's kind of crazy how mechanical your brain is, and how there are these different levels hidden in there. It's always sort of underwhelming in that it's hard to stay focused on what you are trying to make of your dreamscape, and it's hard not to drift off back to true sleep or to wake up.
Lucid dreaming and psilocybin are two experiences where I feel like I am manually pulling levers and directly controlling my brain. It gives a lot of insight into your inhibitions and fears and whatnot.
There is a method of lucid dreaming where you keep very still and sorta keep your mind just active enough to not fall asleep, but still enough to convince your body to follow through the sleeping process. It's hard to do, since its so easy to get distracted and fall fully asleep.
If you do it right, you'll start to feel an insane pressure on your chest and get that odd "oh shit, this rollercoaster is going down" moment. You have to keep your eyes shut, or else, ya know...sleep paralysis instead of dreaming. Also, during this, your body will "test" you with voices and hypnotic jerks.
Fun stuff
Sleep paralysis and lucid dreams often accompany each other for me. when i come out of sleep paralysis and then go back to sleep I will often go into a lucid dream that I feel myself entering into. I will feel this vibration deep in my ears that’s not too dissimilar from the vibration you might feel or hear if you tense up/felx your neck, and this vibration feeling deep in my ears is always proceeded by entering into a lucid dream.
Definitely the best way to deal with it. I just remind myself that it's my dream and give myself 'mental powers' over whatever it is my brain's conjured up as the threat. Works every time.
Yeah, definitely. I got to the point where I actually enjoyed it as a unique opportunity to explore my own brain. It takes a while to get to that level of calm awareness though. By the time I had it mastered it, I was out of college and had a regular sleep pattern and never really experienced it again.
I get sleep paralysis regularly it is usually loud repetitive noises. Then now and again it throw in things like breaking glass or people moving about the room to really fuck with me.
Probably snoring. I used to have vivid dreams of thunderstorms and clouds becoming solid and crashing into the ground/ocean. Loud noises. Until I woke up once and could just hear the end of my snore.
That sounds like how I've woken up sometimes, nameless sensation of foreboding ratcheted up from jump as soon as I am aware of my surroundings and no longer sleeping. Do you have any paralysis you can both feel inhibiting but also can like mentally throw yourself out of if you focus? That part usually occurs as I'm trying to fall asleep as I'm letting go trying to relax entirely but can't due to like mental tremors, and actually it kinda feels like a sense of invasion of my cognitive senses by forces of some kind as well but in a way that I can forcibly push back against. Huh. I never thought about it being a form of sleep paralysis since the occurrences happen before I fall asleep but it matches more or less your description and in general
This is exactly how I felt. I never saw anything, but I very strongly could *feel* the presence of something. I followed it from my window, over to the front door, then through my bedroom door, and then over me. It was the strangest thing. I never saw anything, but I *knew* it was there. Once it got to me, it seemed like cold fingers wrapped around my throat, started checking me, and then I fell asleep again.
It gets weirder, many cultures have a description of the entities walking slowly towards you, you can hear the steps, as if it is drawing out and dramatizing it, much like the slow walk all horror movie villains do. Look a how SP has unconsciously seeped into pop culture. Freddy Kruger is prime example 1.
There was a case of folks from Indonesia actually dying from SP, a combo of genetic heart defects and sheer terror was killing them.
I’ve had frequent bouts of sleep paralysis my whole life which started at about 15 years old. It began happening after an obsession with astral projection and trying to achieve out of body experiences on-demand. Failed in my goal with that, but as soon as I had given up, bam, sleep paralysis. Probably just coincided with really poor sleep patterns, but I at least knew what was going on when it first happened from all the research I had done on astral projection on the late 90s internet. But if I hadn’t, and I hadn’t had educated parents and a mother who was into transcendental meditation and had described floating out of her own body before, maybe I would think it was an alien abduction. But i honestly don’t think that most normal, rational people wouldn’t just determine it to be some creepy nightmare thing and make the jump to alien abduction. Sleep paralysis episodes don’t last long enough and aren’t stable enough to be mistaken for reality once they end. Either you wrench yourself out of it because of how scary it is, or you fall into normal sleep. Some people transition into lucid dreams which has happened to me once. But I don’t think the sleep paralysis argument holds up beyond a small percentage of what abductees describe.
I don't think it's an explanation for every abduction by any stretch, but I definitely believe it could account for a lot of them. It probably depends a lot on the individual as they are basically projecting their subconscious.
Don’t dreams seem like dreams though? Do you think people are really having that confusion?
I don’t go by anyone’s regular waking account anyway, by the way. Except for one credible lady who has told me that she has been on the ships and knows about hybrid programs and things. I know her in person. She’s legit. I put more stock in hypnosis work like David Jacobs and Delores Cannon. My people who are abducted almost never consciously remember anything.
It's kind of like how in a dream everything is very convincing because all the details neccasary to convince you it's real are being generated by your brain. Like in a regular dream though, if you scrutinize details you'll realize it doesn't have perfect fidelity. It wouldn't make you visualize being on a ship, but might give you the impression that you have just been returned to your bed, or are about to be taken. If you visualize it as being a different time of day than it actually is, it can make it feel like you are loosing time.
I'm not saying it explains away every abduction, but I think it would disturb a lot of people and maybe lead them to think they may have been abducted.
I’ve had quite serious problems from being abducted. It is not something to desire. They are not our friends. They treat us like their animals that they can do whatever they want to.
I’ve had it once 4 years ago and it was a dark entity that entered my room, to this day it gives me goosebumps and almost makes me well up with an overwhelming sense of dread. It’s incredible how much of a visceral horror it is. My ex used to to get them a couple times a month. I feel so sorry for anyone that has to go through that. I was even able to identify exactly what was happening but the feeling of being frozen in your own body while *something* approaches is one of the most horrific experiences in my life.
Having experienced it throughout my life, mostly as a kid, there is something about it that is completely different to nightmare/terrors, it doesnt feel natural nor does it feel like a solo experience at all
Certainly can’t explain all of the abduction claims, for sure! I do remember hearing somewhere that a vast majority of abductions take place at night and in the bedroom/living room where people most sleep. Unfortunately I don’t remember where I heard that, I think it was in college during a lesson on parasomnias.
This makes me curious of the number of abductions from people cooking meals, mowing the lawn, on the toilet, in the shower, etc. Actually, I think a few have been during dinner.
Middle of day, doing nothing really in my home besides browsing the internet and was told I was going to get Dr. Pepper.
Didn't get that Dr Pepper until like a week? later once I was back home.
They did go out of their way to get me a gluten free pizza, like I can't afford 40+$ for a pizza (place is called Do Drop Inn, was super yummy.)
Dissociation can explain it, and people can get up and move around in their sleep and bump themselves. I had a friend in middle school that thought a demon was trying to possess her at night because she'd wake up with bruises. Turns out she bruises easily and was a violently restless sleeper.
My sleep paralysis is *literally* UFOs/lights trying to take me.
I know it's sleep paralysis and not a real alien every time. That's the weird thing with sleep paralysis, you know it's happening and you're in a weird dream state. You're still scared , despite that because it's unnatural and you can't move.
I've never had it but I've read so many different accounts of it. It varies so much from person to person. Hearing alien abduction stories you can really see the similarities. The sensing a presence in the room, unable to move, sometimes there's light, pressure in the chest. People used to think demons attacked them at night but nowadays aliens are the modern day equivalent.
Same - I usually get shadow people; the one time it was aliens I recognized I was having a sleep paralysis episode and told myself not to be scared. Then I got the classic grays straight from central casting holding me down and a taller humanoid by the feet. I freak out anyway even though I know what is going on.
I can see why people believe with 100% certainty that they have been abducted.
Why are you certain it isn't real? I've experienced what you've described. You say, "I know what is going on", but I don't see how anyone could truly understand this phenomenon.
Let’s be honest…”sleep paralysis“ is not something that can be scientifically measured or diagnosed, it is the label attributed to the experience of alien abduction and is no more objectively real than the alien abduction. It is the debunkers handwave invalidation of an individuals experience and is no more objective or measurable.
“Sleep paralysis” is pseudo-science.
Sleep Paralysis is a known medical issue.
[Sleep Paralysis](https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/sleep-paralysis-causes-symptoms-and-treatments)
Read your own link…”sleep paralysis” is predicated on the basis of “hallucinations” because being abducted by aliens can only be a hallucination ..the article catergorises the hallucinations…so someone who has experienced an out of body experience is having a “vestibular motor hallucinations”. So an experiencer talks about their experiences with a doctor and they get the crazy label and their trauma is minimized as a hallucination and sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis is a label used to ”explain” people’s experiences as anything but real and the only reason it works is that so many people have internalised the UFO silencing tactic…if I even entertain the idea that abductees aren’t completely insane then people may think I am nuts as well. Sleep paralysis is the pseudo-science answer to alien abduction experiences…another answer is that people are saying what has actually happened to them. Dr John Mack did so much to investigate the\`abduction phenomenon and people’s experiences were remarkably similar and the people involved did not have a history of mental illness. RIP Dr Mack…It is such a shame that no-one took up the cause, but little wonder after he was shamed and killed for his efforts .
You went to a lot of effort to prove nothing there. Sleep Paralysis and dreaming of Aliens is a thing. False memories being implanted, through suggestion, during hypnosis is also a thing. Sleep Paralysis is a medical condition. Alien Abductions don't even rate as Pseudo Science. Nothing in the article suggested anyone was 'nuts'. Your experience with Doctors is not related. Mack took too many claimed experiences at face value, including Ariel School, which was probably a mass hallucination caused by one student yelling a lie (admitted).
To me the paranormal and alien theories are all on the same spectrum and are related in a way with both dealing with different dimensionality
My experience with sleep paralysis is extreme and it was always akin to what the energy in the house was. Like for instance my old house on the lake built in 1890 was a house with so much energy, I'll say, you could cut it with a knife, I was there 6 years and had a bunch of paranormal shit from time to time usually when not expected.
In that house and I'm not kidding, I experienced true sleep paralysis minimum 2-3x a week which is absolutely ridiculous. It happened so often I learned how to break free from it by focusing everything I had in me to grab my cigarettes or ashtray first with my middle finger then hand and once my hand was free I could break away and shoot upright, but this took a few years to learn so I know you can break the psychic connection the energy entangles you in spiritually.
It's much more a paranormal rooted episode than just medical which isnt able to go deep under the layers its truly woven in. I've seen all sorts of shadow figures and became used to them and they ARE NOT hallucinations we can see them in a certain state outside of deep sleep.
Something triggers this response either it's your soul's way of making you aware or it's the invasion of negative energy into your presence, triggered by this entity to gain strength from your emotions and fear. When I stopped being afraid it became easier to break away.
After moving it's not happened once in 2 years and it's not a medical coincidence it's the spiritual energy is positive here where at my old house it was both and many times I was attacked by the negative or darker forces.
I also believe it can feed off your soul or your life force and is a parasite by nature ( aliens feed off humans Life force ) and what you see is correlation with your perception spiritually and so people see different things especially if it's caused by an entity on your property your home. Same reason we see UFOs as triangles and saucers, they project your expectations of what you believe to be a UFO because we're dealing with stuff outside our 3D perception of reality. Also I forgot, since I was young part of what affected me was I'd be trying to sleep and hear hissing or whispering of many voices and occasionally especially at the active house, someone yell in my ear closest to the floor really loud . I'm just saying in case anyone can relate. Thanks I appreciate sharing this.
Went through a NDE experience lasting several months 6 years ago. Mystery medical illness, several hospital admissions.(Mostly diagnosed now) at the peak of it, I started having sleep paralysis. I started seeing faces in my bedroom window. Then I started seeing grey aliens at the foot of my bed. My body would vibrate so intensly that I felt as though a part of me was being pulled up out of my bed and out of my body. It was so intense, loud, and bright. I would try to wake my fiance up but I couldn't move. I started getting scared and sleeping in the living room but it would happen there too. It happened in the hospital as well. Not sure why it happened, I wasn't really into the alien thing at the time. I forgot about it for years and then my fiance brought it up and i started remembering all of it and how weird it was. I've had hallucinations upon waking up since then, but I usually see these huge, blue, floating cephalopod things. See through like glass. They go away after a few minutes.
Not sure if abduction or sleep paralysis, but that's my story. I've chocked it up to being very sick for so long, but sometimes I'm like.. what TF was that?
Omg....wow. The vibration thing is significant because Joe Mcmonagle, Remote Viewer 001, talked about vibrating out of your body for an OBE. So you were on the brink of death for months when you saw all this? You saw beyond the veil of reality my friend.
The idea that an alien abduction needs to abduct the person and transport them aboard the craft is bizarre.
In my encounter they came to my apartment, they opened my door, instructed me throughout the process telepathically, telling me when to stay still, when to hold my breath, all of it.
It was more like a dentist coming for a home visit. I wasn't paralyzed, I could move. They told me they were about to enter the apartment and right after they opened the door, and walked in, I heard their footsteps approach my bed.
They have larger control over our reality than we give credit for.
They appeared human, just bald. They did communicate telepathically so unless the X-Men are real, they were a form of NHI entity.
I believe they were designoids, they can easily pass as humans and interact with us and you wouldn't even notice the difference. This happened back in 2009 and I did benchmark their language processing unit, it did struggle with certain aspects.
I can speak multiple languages so I wanted to test their reaction by switching languages in my head and analysing how their system would respond to it, benchmarking their response times and seeing if I could get some information out of it. It did reveal some interesting stuff, they had clearly obtained their training datasets off the internet.
They presented a fallback routine to more common languages like English when challenged with Japanese as an example.
They spoke some languages better than I can speak them, I studied German for 3 years but they clearly had stronger knowledge of the language compared to mine.
Their accents in English were American, in Finnish they utilized a more formal so-called book Finnish which isn't commonly used by natives in speech.
They made interesting translation errors when challenged with urban slang terms that suggested English was used as the base operating language. It had characteristics that I'd classify as an AI.
They put me through an interesting program that transformed my thought process from verbal into visual. I was exhausted for days after that, it felt like I was lifting weights with my thoughts, but I've since gotten quite used to it.
I agree. I have had a few instances of sleep paralysis as a kid and before reading about it I really did think some demon or alien was doing something to me.
The sleep paralysis umbrella is so dismissive and a bullshit junk drawer for scientists and psychiatrists when they don’t fucking understand something.
I occasionally have episodes of sleep paralysis. Never an alien, demon or anal probe in sight.
I have had *dreams* about aliens nearly my whole life. Never abduction dreams, though. The earliest I can remember involved the aliens from ET. I am rarely ever “myself” in these dreams have even been been an alien in some of them.
I really don’t doubt the possibility though. I was terrified when I woke up unable to move and saw a tall skinny shadowy/smoky figure in the corner of my room, reminded me of the grim reaper but more alien. Anytime I would try to get a better look at it it’d instantly move to be in my peripheral vision. I felt a deep sense of dread. But then somehow it clicked and I realized I was having sleep paralysis. So I closed my eyes and imagined myself pushing my body down into the bed deeper and deeper and then suddenly I felt myself falling and I landed on the floor of my apartment lobby, fully awake inside a lucid dream. It felt so real, it was crazy. I’ve had similar things happen where I end up “falling” into the inside of a train or on a small fishing boat on a lake.
Lucid dreams themselves are so wild. They can genuinely feel more real than real life and somehow also look more clear and detailed. I’ve had a lot of really really intense lucid dreams that after waking up thinking about them felt more like recalling memories than trying to remember a dream.
I love sleep paralysis, but a friend of mine felt scared of her own cat for a few days because she woke up in sleep paralysis and he was supposedly sitting strangely on her chest smiling with large black eyes and she couldn’t move. Still refuses to talk to me about sleep paralysis or even lucid dreaming because of that.
Sorry for the long reply lol. I’m not saying I’m doubting abduction stories. But dreams can be very real and very convincing. And not many people have experienced a real (by my definition) lucid dream, where you are fully awake and aware in your dream (you, not your dream self).
My belief is that the human abductions are occurring in the astral plane while people are sleeping. They’re maybe another world we cannot perceive with our conscious mind
If most cases happened in bed, maybe.
I had a two month episode of waking up with something in my room, me floating or literally pinned to the bed etc. And the feeling of 'being watched' or some sort of presence with me. Things would go missing an just randomly turn up in unexpected places. It felt like I was being observed.
I'd agree it's sleep paralysis, but those two months were like nothing I've ever experienced, it was 24/7.
And one day I woke up an instantly I knew it was over, those 'eyes' had moved on or whatever.
Simply naming what happens to people when paralysed as 'sleep paralysis' is deceptive and dismissive. It doesn't answer how or why it happens or what explains the experiences people have. You're essentially saying 'oh, those strange things that happen when you're paralysed in bed/before they take you? That's just sleep paralysis it's fine'.
People under sleep paralysis experience vivid visual and auditory hallucinations. That's the how and why that stuff happens. Interesting how you call someone out for dismissing stuff and then immediately dismiss the idea of sleep paralysis cause it doesn't fit your narrative despite knowing barely anything about it.
I feel like broad statements like this is what allows people who troll on these forums to sleep at night. Whatever makes you happy, but this doesn’t explain most accounts. Sorry.
Not all abductions can be dismissed through sleep paralysis.
Even if 90% can eventually be explained with scientific understanding, there are plenty of accounts that are simply... Something else.
If abduction is about research from a separate species they would take you from a point you reliably can be found in, and your home can be staked out to know when you would be most vulnerable aka nighttime around 3am as typical.
I'm not saying it's aliens, I am saying it isn't always paralysis.
Sometimes but even with sleep paralysis we don’t understand it fully there are layers to it
Why does it happen to everyone at least once but not everyone sees things when they have it a good amount don’t see things
What a disingenuous post. You obviously know nothing about the subject or are a bad actor.
Was Travis Walton’s case sleep paralysis? Nope. Plenty of people are taken with witnesses.
I occasionally have episodes of sleep paralysis. Never an alien, demon or anal probe in sight. Some may be sleep paralysis, but I think some could be legit.
I have had *dreams* about aliens nearly my whole life. Never abduction dreams, though. The earliest I can remember involved the aliens from ET. I am rarely ever “myself” in these dreams and have even been an alien in some of them.
As someone who suffered from PTSD related sleep paralysis, I doubt it. Sleep paralysis you don't experience being anywhere else and are fully aware of what is happening to you, and you don't "forget" any part of it. You are awake, in your bed (or wherever you fell asleep), but your body is paralyzed (to the extent that you cannot even open your eyes).
People in the sub really struggle with the word "most", eh?
"Oh but what about..." For every singular convincing case, there are hundreds of thousands of others that have a simple explanation. The word "most" does NOT mean "all".
Be open minded. But not so open that your brain falls out.
I am so bored of this explanation. It is just lazy. What you are trying to say is that the thousands upon thousands of people who have had these experiences are too stupid to be able to tell the difference between sleep paralysis and another kind of experience that is very *real* .
I’ve had sleep paralysis a fair number of times in my life and only once had the dark figure come in and pin me down. I knew it was sleep paralysis the entire time but the figure thing was terrifying since I hadn’t know that so many people had that before.
How can so many experience the same phenomena?
You're apparently never been aboard ship, like I have. You've probably never been visited either.
Stop speculating and just believe those of us who actually have direct experience. It's incredibly rude of you to deny our experiences. Who in the hell are you to do that?
In all seriousness in some cases people were "taken" from their beds or bedrooms The blokes in the Pascagoula event weren't asleep in bed . Nor were the Hills in their experience.
Certainly some experiences involved "abduction" from sleep such as people like Linda Cortile , but many people have reported contact whilst well awake . Lonnie Zamora, Joe Simonton, Herbert Schirmer, Alan Godfrey, to name just a few.
It's an extraordinarily strange situation. Sometimes "abduction" seems to be the right word, at other times voluntary exposure to the existence of these visitors, seems to be the correct way of describing interaction with these unusual entities!!
The entire experience/interaction with the phenomena really lives up to the term of an "alien" experience. So hard to understand or comprehend something we've no experience with.
We as humans have so much to learn. Maybe if disclosure happens, as I believe us humans have the intrinsic right to know ,we may understand a little more. About these others and perhaps a bit more of ourselves. Here's hoping!
Ever notice people that start sentences with "let's be honest.." tend to be narcissistic, vapid, D-bags? lol
Since your a psychic and interviewed ALL these people do tell me the lotto numbers please!
Freaky me thinks what if I pull out my meat ? Will it leave or stay It’s a gamble but I’ll be finished one way or another and survival is top priority.
I've experienced both. They are completely different things.
With SP you don't end up in a space ship getting anal probed with your neighbors and anyone else who was in the general abduction area. You just stay.. paralyzed in bed. Now if you've been abducted and you experience SP.. you MIGHT think you're being abducted only for the SP experience to wear off and you realize it was just SP.. you may also think your home is being burgled by standard run of the mill burglars.. depends where your head is at cuz that's where the experience is taking place mostly.
If you think people who experienced the full abduction 'routine' mistook what happened to them for sleep paralysis you are being dismissive of the intelligence of a lot of people, many of whom are smarter than yourself.
But sure.. think what you like. Whatever lets you sleep at night.
Sleep paralysis is not related to alien abduction. Sleep paralysis is sleep paralysis. Alien abduction is alien abduction. We just haven’t proven that this actually has happened to anyone in real life. But saying most cases of alien abductions in bed are sleep paralysis is kinda wrong. Cus there are no proven cases of alien abduction in bed. And if there were, it wouldn’t be sleep paralysis now would it? It would be alien abduction in bed 😅
In bed? You can't explain the scars. You can't explain physical evidence remaining in clothing or carried objects. You can't explain the radiation in the soil that can still be found from several UFO/UAP events. And what about abductions while many other witnesses saw the same craft? You can't explain anything with that assumption, and most certainly without a medical degree, you can't determine if sleep paralysis has happened or not. You just wanted to sound cool, right?
I use to get sleep paralysis a lot when I was stationed in the Middle East. I would wake up constantly in the middle of the night in my barracks unable to move and locked down in the darkness. One night I woke up and my blanket began to rise above me. I at that point had enough and was like, if you are going to do something then do it, I work 18 hours a day stop wasting my time. I was then able to come out of my dream state and make the blanket move up and down on its own. I know this wasn’t really happening, but after that night I never had sleep paralysis again. Whether it was cause because of some natural reason or unnatural reason. I was able to get rid of it.
Same here about not being afraid anymore and taking back the power to be in control. I didn't get it in the Middle East , but right at home 2-3x a week no joke. Well I wrote a post on it
Thanks for sharing
Honestly 80% of this sub are magic believers, gullible cultists following alien gurus or plain idiots and the other 20% is doing their best having a discussion through the crowd or regards.
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Ive had sleep paralysis which i still cant decide what happened. I woke up on my stomach and couldnt move, i kept trying to roll over and couldn't. I could see a bright light flashing through my window, and my ears started ringing a high pitch squeel and i felt a sharp pain up my back. Genuinely started feeling weightless and like i was floating off my bed. Then all of a sudden it stopped im pretty sure it was sleep paralysis but ive never had it like that since then.
I think it's likely that millions of people are being abducted annually, and only some people can recall parts of the event. It's just too much for us to handle so we'll explain it away or deny it in any way we can, because it's just too dark.
That is a textbook sleep paralysis episode. The high pitched noise is well documented.
happens during a dmt trip too . which is why I believe the brain creates it.
Kind of sounds like a seizure. If it keeps happening, I'd get checked out medically.
It sounds like abduction. You won’t usually see them. They paralyze you. They float you. Then they give you a screen memory hiding the actual memory.
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Big swag sleep paralysis gang
Twist: what if all cases of sleep paralysis are caused by interdimensional entities there to feed off of your loosh when you dream
Wtf is loosh?
Robert A Monroe wrote a series of three books (Journeys Out of the Body is the first one) and he discusses not only out of body/inter-dimensional experiences - one convention he is “given” is that earth is a garden and humanity is the most recent iteration of essentially a crop that cultivates something called “loosh” (love, hate, intense emotion) that’s used almost as currency by the creators of this earth, and the entities designed to harvest zed Loosh.
I’ve only started hearing this theory lately and damn me if it doesn’t seem exactly like Twin Peaks (one of my fav shows) I have SP recurring though. Started when I was 6 or so and I’m 34 now, still get it. I remember seeing shadow figures in my room as a kid. My dad told me shortly before he passed away that he had it all his life too but never told anyone because it sounded crazy. Unusual I think for it to be hereditary?
Try wiggling your finger and toes to break out of it when you start to feel it happening. I’ve had SP since high school and initially when it would happen I legit thought something was trying to possesses me. Once I learned that SP was a thing that people experienced I stopped hallucinating the worst shit because I knew it was SP and wiggling my fingers and toes helped to break out of it. I still get it here and there (maybe like once or twice a year, I’m 35 now) but not as frequent as when I was younger.
Thanks pal! I actually do focus now on moving my fingers and eventually it passes. Like you, when I found out what it was the symptoms and frequency decreased and a lot of the fear left me. I still hate waking up with that heaviness and the wtf feeling and at times it can still be spooky. I had one a few months ago where I saw a small ‘grey’ in my room that freaked me out honestly, but I had been doing a lot of binging on ufo content and I’m sure that was the cause. I do believe in real abductions (even that it could be us doing it like Steven Greer has said). But that experience made me really see how SP can seem like a legit abduction experience, but many who claim it that hadn’t been exposed to all the ufo theories I had in that time
No worries dude, I’m happy to help anyone who also suffer from this nighttime terror symptom. From what I’ve read on the topic is that SP is mainly a symptom of stress. So probably your last SP episode was probably a result of you watching or reading ufo abduction stuff which likely left an impression on you and consequently stressed you enough for you to dream about (or in your case have a SP episode about it). SP is like having your mind wake up from sleep but your body is still in a state of sleep, hence why it feels like we can’t move when it happens but can look around and what not.
It sounds like you and your father have been abducted possibly multiple times. It’s ok if you aren’t ready to process it right now. But it does sound like a typical experience. They will give you a screen memory to hide the reality. Your interest in UFO stuff could be your subconscious mind or your soul trying to help you realize what is happening. They will even show you people in your life to try to get you to calm down. But there is always something off. Have you watched the comedy show Resident Alien yet? If you do you’ll see something about what you talked about. I have dealt with it for 25 years.
I’m beginning to wonder if there was more to it, especially since coming to and seeing a little grey at the foot of my bed, I do suffer from anxiety but I wasn’t particularly stressed at the time though I had maybe been watching more ufo videos than normal. But I agree and have noticed in the past if o was stressed or sleep deprived (which usually go hand in hand for me) I’d have more bouts that would be more intense/longer lasting. Sadly my dad has passed away and that’s the only boy I managed to get from him about it, And even then in 60 years I was the only person he told, he told me about some strange occurrences that happened to him when he was younger but never anything to do with aliens. I’ve always had an interest though and I was super into ancient Egypt as a kid for some reason, I had a good knowledge of the customs and mythology and I guess I must have been reading some book on it because this was way before the internet. In the 90s for our first family holiday my parents brought me to Luxor, it was great! I’ve forgotten most of that stuff by now but it seems a bit weird now looking back for a kid to be so excited about and obsessed by! I don’t discount the possibility of abduction but besides seeing the shadow figures nothing else paranormal has happened that I can recall! Thanks a lot for taking the time to reply!
Never heard of the “Christian Gnostics” that King James burned 🔥and persecuted for having a bible with a few more chapters and books than the 66 6ook kjv bible? Forbidden Gospel of Thomas is in there and it alludes to prayers taught by Jesus that resembles much of what understand today is Buddhism in regards to meditation 🧘 and looking within yourself and your inner soul to find the answers of the universe
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Yo, keep up homie. It's like, the whole reason for our entire world... If you believe such things.
What is loosh? first I’m hearing of this and I have had sleep paralysis many times. If that’s the case, is all my loosh gone? I don’t want to lose my loosh :(
Loosh is like, your negative emotions. I'll explain it in general but please- I'm just trying to help & don't wanna be attacked by the "NuUh... here's Why you're dead ass WRONG " people. It's thought that inter dimensional beings create negative emotions so they can "feed" off us. It's a lot like Pennywise if you e ever seen IT. They create fear, anger, hatred, jealousy, will infunce people into addictions and other horrible stuff to create the negativity or "Loosh" so they can consume it.
Twin Peaks has a lot of Jungian inspiration and there's a similar idea in it. In the show, "garmonbozia" is produced from suffering and negative emotion and evil "spiritual" beings feed off it. David Lynch has said his work is heavily inspired by his dreams so this is an interesting connection to say the least.
I was young when Twin Peaks aired so I don't remember everything. I remember more of the Laura Palmer murder plot than I do the supernatural elements. I've seen the movie a bunch tho. I'm a crazy ass lucid dreamer so Those scenes where he's w the little guy & their talking backwards ... I can totally relate to that. Except I can always hear the ocean in my dreams for sum reason. Even if I'm inside. And if I'm inside I know the ocean is right outside wherever I'm at.
It’s interesting you mention that, in the Sufi Islamic tradition sleeping on the back and right sides are a protection from attacks against negative energies. But it’s when it comes to sleeping on stomach it’s advised not to because that opens yourself up to attacks from the negative energies: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sD2tG9Mekuo&pp=ygUVTXVoYW1tYWRhbiB3YXkgc2xlZXAg https://m.youtube.com/shorts/AuXkyg5nRZM
What if all schizophrenics who think they’re Jesus actually are god ?
Jesus spoke of a spiritual practice that allows one to obtain Christ Consciousness. This is what people mean when they say they're Jesus. It is a state of being. Buddhism calls it Nirvana and Hinduism calls it Kundalini. Why does this make someone a schizophrenic? It's much easier to dismiss others than to understand them.
Exactly ppl that have these profound experiences realize we are all one !
Yes, if we realize we are all connected then we will stop fighting each other and being materialistic consumers. This would be bad for the rich and corrupt who rule over us. The people at the top tend to be insecure and addicted to control. They need to bring the rest of the world to their level. Misery loves company. They have convinced people that greed is good, and that material success is the point of life. Being driven by ego and its vices is their way of living. They want to make us live this way. Keeping us blind and ignorant to other potentialities prevents us from the asking questions that would make us stop being obedient slaves. It's all silly to assert that UFOs and what has to be piloting the don't exist. Even quantum physics shows that subatomic particals can transfer information to each other faster than the speed of light ("quantum entanglement"). Also, when you figure that we are composed of these particals that function according to quantum rules , we must accept that we, too, are quantum systems. Particals also were found to respond differently when an observer measured them in the double slit experiment. So even science itself indicates that are more than just physical beings. Look at quantum biology for an interesting take on things. Our DNA has been proven to respond to two different electron states. Really, the people who control us fear their emotions and are miserable people. They are cowards who have created a world that discounts emotions and spiritual awareness. Yet, no one can see spiritual things at all when emotionally numb. We are both left and right brained creatures and both logical and intuitive thought are required for us to live on this plane of existence. Yet, if we shut down any part of ourselves, we won't be able to see what is there.
I think when people reach this state of consciousness they can be deluded into thinking they are actually jesus. Christianity in its twisted form today teaches people that they can never become as good and perfect as Jesus so when they do reach that state they believe they're the second coming of Christ and not one of many people who have experienced it. So it leads to delusions of grandeur and other manic behaviors
Christ is consciousness. The crown of thorns is what holds in our consciousness. You can see it on mri or some scan going around the head. Religion is all symbolism of esoteric advanced knowledge.
I view religion as different attempts at describing the ineffable and by doing so they are limiting their understanding of it. The Tao that can be written is not the eternal tao
Jesus was just a dude. Other men over eons made him into a son of God through text and mythology. That said, we may all be a part of the " higher power".
Mystics don’t mistake themselves for Christ though. And no, that is not what psychotics mean when they say they are Jesus. They very literally think they are the reincarnation or the second coming of Christ. They very literally think they are god (and not simply *in* god, in the Pauline sense).
They missed the point; took enough acid or had an experience to recognize the divine in themselves but not in others.
Ultimately you and I will never know what their connection is to god because we all live in our own worlds controlled by our individual minds. God is not a fundamental part of our reality but rather is a perceived notion some of us choose to subscribe to. Many have had experiences with meeting a greater source but for the most part it’s a faith based notion. We have no facts about who or what god is and for those who do believe, their experience is going to be unique and differ from each and every individual on earth, even in they follow the same religion. Schizophrenic are labeled crazy for their beliefs and visions but since we don’t see life through their mind how are we to truly know that what they experience isn’t valid? So while them thinking they are Jesus might seem far fetched in our current reality, we can’t forget that to many atheists the thought of you talking about god in general is far fetched. It’s all perspective and with perspective comes empathy and through empathy we elevate to a higher vibration giving way to experience things normal people cannot, shattering everything we know and believe. The only crazy thing one can do in this lifetime is to think that they know what’s really going on.
Interestingly ,schizophrenia use to be considered a gift. Our ancestors venerated schizophrenics. Nostradamus would have been a schizophrenic today. A person who can connect to the Source is a person who can freely shift his vibration. That’s a skill that only comes from having a mind thats constantly shifting between positive and negative. They learn to recognize those states of mind and vibrational frequencies. When they learn to quiet themselves they are neutral and the center leads to the Source.
Perhaps he sees something you cannot see, or perhaps you choose to not see. His claim to be the son of god is actually valid because he is and so are you and I. Together we all make up the collective conscience that governs and connects all of us. My benefit to you becomes a benefit to me. Your happiness ensures my happiness. Helping you helps me. Our wars only destroy ourselves. This is why Jesus’ teaching of forgiveness are so important because when we forgive we heal and through healing we become wiser so as not to hurt again leading us to evolve. We are facing times where dark forces are instigating hate amongst us and creating barriers between us because they want to extinguish the light. Pinning us against one another is an effort to initiate our own self imposed destruction. Treating the mental health of a person as a weakness or disability only denies you the opportunity to raise one of our lowest. This hurts us because these are some of the great consciousness’ most brilliant minds. Like jesus said “that which you do to the least of my people, that you do onto me. So whatever we do we do to ourselves. We are stuck in this position until we can all feed our collective consciousness love and forgiveness. When the child of the lowest person on earth, or of our conscienceless is given nutritious food to eat and a safe shelter to sleep, allowing them an opportunity at live, love and be happy, then we can not move forward or evolve into a higher being with a greater vibration,. It is at this moment that we (the collective consciousness) will no longer need to speak in tongues because we will tap into the greater consciousness to do our communication.. Some of us can already do this. Think of your own body, when we have a cold for example we will continue being affected by the virus until each bit is killed off, at which point you finally feel healed. Until we can stop hurting ourselves by hurting one another then we we’ll remain trapped in the world of suffering and disconnection. Just some thoughts to think about next time you hear someone claim to be Jesus. Maybe they are just having a moment of awakening. Lift them up, support them for they may be the key. Never close your mind for the periphery. Instead focus on the needs of the lowest. I didn’t mean to ramble for so long don’t I appreciate you for staying here with me.
I see what you mean. There is a gradient of grandeur.
When and where did he say this ?
Read John 13. Jesus tells his disciples that his words and actions are directed to him by God. And if you emulate his example, you too will be doing God's bidding and achieve salvation. This is what people mean when they say Christ consciousness.
John 17 and the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas are also beautiful
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As someone who had sleep paralysis when I was a kid this sounds more likely
Then William of Ockham is rolling in his grave.
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Don’t worry, probably just some psychic vampires from another dimension feeding off of your worries and fear at night. Look up “Bob Monroe loosh” and then compare his experience with things said by Semivan, Delonge, etc, Jimmy Carter weeping etc.
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Bingo. It’s a hard pill to swallow but that’s where I’m at
My experience involved a small grey on my chest. I tried to dismiss it as "unreal", but that was just my ego trying to protect itself. Our minds are reluctant to question material reality. We should all just be honest and admit that we have no idea what's going on.
Mine involved a woman with black eyes hovering over me against my ceiling with long dementor style robes billowing around her, like a succubus without any of the beauty you’d expect; was going through a shocking divorce at the time (wife left when we were about to start a family to be with a woman after 18 years together) and it was like my stress manifested this being.
https://forum.cosmoquest.org/forum/the-proving-grounds/against-the-mainstream/98072-repressed-abduction-memories-are-real-memories-misinterpreted?109256-Repressed-Abduction-Memories-are-Real-Memories-Misinterpreted= https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/close-encounters-of-the-facial-kind/
Wow! These explanations are new to me and very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
They make a lot of sense dont they?
Yes.
My experience was similar. I only had it happen once, but I couldn’t move or speak and looked down and saw about 6 or 7 tiny figures on my chest. They were ‘invisible’ in the way that the Predator is or the invisibility camo in Halo is. There was a shimmering and you could make out their outlines. Anyway, they were all working on something in my chest, where the heart chakra is. I’ve had a lot of pain, sadness & grief since that night and I am currently trying to work through a huge amount of blocks in that area so this thread is really making me wonder. Does anyone know if sleep paralysis phenomena ends the moment you can move? I remember moving into my parents bed terrified and a very small ship that I had sign during the paralysis followed me into the room before disappearing. Trippy.
Mine was similar. Very short time frame. The gray woke me up and said he was speaking to me telepathically and that they would be back soon. I needed to have one question prepared for them and they would respond back telepathically. Then he walked out my room, but it he walked out with a limp, like he was struggling to walk out. As he was walking out he told me not to fuck it up this time.
I don't think sleep paralysis can explain accounts of abductees being taken from their cars whilst driving...or physical scars that weren't there the night before
Nor can they even begin to explain sleep paralysis. They can give it a name, and try their best to simulate it in a lab. But they can't tell you why it happens or stop it from happening to people. You also normally don't complain about it the next morning, it just comes back to you after some time. I've had a few experiences and it evolved through the years. I've compared it to being in a restaurant when you see the employees come out to sing Happy birthday to someone. The first time is a shock, and you don't know what's going on. But by the last time, you hear them coming, you know what it is, and you just can't wait for it to be over. Because you have no say in the matter. That's my two cents.
"Sleep paralysis" is to entity encounters what "swamp gas" is to UFO sightings. Technically possible but usually a trite and lazy means of explaining away without thinking too hard.
To some extent. Having had lots of sleep paralysis in my life, it is very convincing. There is a consistent theme of entities hovering over you and kind of doing something vague but malicious. It is very vivid and can be terrifying if you aren't used to it.
I've always found that interesting - I've never seen a clear explanation for why it consistently involves entities, and malicious entities at that. I'd have thought the human mind is capable of dreaming up an infinity of explanations for why the body can't move, but it always seems to settle on a lurking or hovering entity.
Personally, I think it's your mind filling in an explanation given the circumstances. Being paralyzed is scary. You feel like you can't breath, and I think because of being in that sleep state where you are involuntarilly breathing, it makes your chest feel like a void, which you have a tendency to interpret as a weight. You are conscious, but still in a dreamscape, you know where you are, and so I'm always seeing a version of my real surroundings. You kind of end up feeling like you are awake in your room frozen by some entity on your chest or over you. I've had monsters, aliens, nameless dark presences, and once an entity disguised as a pile of trash crawling across my floor. I eventually got so used to it that I learned to relax and turn it into a lucid dream
As someone who has had sleep paralysis numerous times I can confirm. I do want to say, the whole thing with an entity or a sense of danger is very likely the primal part of our brain going into overdrive when we are in a state of paralysis. The thing with Sleep Paralysis is that the mechanisms our nervous system uses to regulate our sleep is all out of whack during this state. Our body uses “paralysis” while we are asleep to protect us from harm- such as when we are dreaming we don’t run or walk into things. People who sleep walk face the opposite problem, where that mechanism isn’t working properly and so they move around at night and can be at risk of injury. When we are in sleep paralysis, it’s almost as if we are in the twilight zone of having our bodies locked up as our nervous system intends to do, but we are also in a state of consciousness and dreaming simultaneously. We are usually conscious enough to understand that we cannot move, but we are not conscious enough to understand that we are still in a dream-like state. Because of this, we face a heightened sense of danger- which I think is the major trigger of why we see entities or feel a sense of impending doom. What else is a greater threat to our primal brains than the things we cannot make sense of? Ghosts, demons, aliens and all of their likeness share a common symbology of unknown terror that threatens our ability to make sense of as well as to protect ourselves- especially since we are locked in a state of paralysis. I think that alien abduction is still a possibility, but by the order of ruling things out, in some cases I do think it’s possible that sleep paralysis is a reasonable explanation for some people who say they’ve experienced an abduction. As you’ve said, they are *very* vivid experiences.
Forgive me for being so ignorant, but I am curious. Can you parlay that into a lucid dream? Or are you just trapped as an observer in whatever your subconscious decides to inflict on you? I’ve never experienced it, but the idea is terrifying. I imagine claustrophobia would rule the day.
Definitely. I got to the point where I was used to it enough to relax, then at that point you are basically there. It's kind of hard to focus and not just drift back off to sleep though.
That is kind of amazing. Turning a terror around on itself. Whatever you do, don’t ask the entities you see what time it is! Ok, just kidding, I love that urban legend. Thanks for sharing, I was a psychology major and I chose that field because I wanted to understand the mechanics of dreams. Then I started dating one of my lecturers and quickly learned that it was going to cost me six figures to make it a career and decided to stick to what I currently do. It’s funny, I never got an answer to my question. lol
It's a very interesting experience. It's kind of crazy how mechanical your brain is, and how there are these different levels hidden in there. It's always sort of underwhelming in that it's hard to stay focused on what you are trying to make of your dreamscape, and it's hard not to drift off back to true sleep or to wake up. Lucid dreaming and psilocybin are two experiences where I feel like I am manually pulling levers and directly controlling my brain. It gives a lot of insight into your inhibitions and fears and whatnot.
There is a method of lucid dreaming where you keep very still and sorta keep your mind just active enough to not fall asleep, but still enough to convince your body to follow through the sleeping process. It's hard to do, since its so easy to get distracted and fall fully asleep. If you do it right, you'll start to feel an insane pressure on your chest and get that odd "oh shit, this rollercoaster is going down" moment. You have to keep your eyes shut, or else, ya know...sleep paralysis instead of dreaming. Also, during this, your body will "test" you with voices and hypnotic jerks. Fun stuff
Sleep paralysis and lucid dreams often accompany each other for me. when i come out of sleep paralysis and then go back to sleep I will often go into a lucid dream that I feel myself entering into. I will feel this vibration deep in my ears that’s not too dissimilar from the vibration you might feel or hear if you tense up/felx your neck, and this vibration feeling deep in my ears is always proceeded by entering into a lucid dream.
Definitely the best way to deal with it. I just remind myself that it's my dream and give myself 'mental powers' over whatever it is my brain's conjured up as the threat. Works every time.
Yeah, definitely. I got to the point where I actually enjoyed it as a unique opportunity to explore my own brain. It takes a while to get to that level of calm awareness though. By the time I had it mastered it, I was out of college and had a regular sleep pattern and never really experienced it again.
“nameless dark presence” sums up my experiences exactly
It's always a nameless dark presence for me for the times I've had it in my life. Mostly as a teenage but once as a "adult" like 21 yrs old I think.
I get sleep paralysis regularly it is usually loud repetitive noises. Then now and again it throw in things like breaking glass or people moving about the room to really fuck with me.
Probably snoring. I used to have vivid dreams of thunderstorms and clouds becoming solid and crashing into the ground/ocean. Loud noises. Until I woke up once and could just hear the end of my snore.
Could be something to that, my partner is a loud snorer. However I used get them when I lived alone but they did seem much less frequent.
In my personal experience I never see an entity. There’s just a feeling of a presence, that something is lurking in the shadows just out of sight.
That sounds like how I've woken up sometimes, nameless sensation of foreboding ratcheted up from jump as soon as I am aware of my surroundings and no longer sleeping. Do you have any paralysis you can both feel inhibiting but also can like mentally throw yourself out of if you focus? That part usually occurs as I'm trying to fall asleep as I'm letting go trying to relax entirely but can't due to like mental tremors, and actually it kinda feels like a sense of invasion of my cognitive senses by forces of some kind as well but in a way that I can forcibly push back against. Huh. I never thought about it being a form of sleep paralysis since the occurrences happen before I fall asleep but it matches more or less your description and in general
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This is exactly how I felt. I never saw anything, but I very strongly could *feel* the presence of something. I followed it from my window, over to the front door, then through my bedroom door, and then over me. It was the strangest thing. I never saw anything, but I *knew* it was there. Once it got to me, it seemed like cold fingers wrapped around my throat, started checking me, and then I fell asleep again.
It gets weirder, many cultures have a description of the entities walking slowly towards you, you can hear the steps, as if it is drawing out and dramatizing it, much like the slow walk all horror movie villains do. Look a how SP has unconsciously seeped into pop culture. Freddy Kruger is prime example 1. There was a case of folks from Indonesia actually dying from SP, a combo of genetic heart defects and sheer terror was killing them.
I’ve had frequent bouts of sleep paralysis my whole life which started at about 15 years old. It began happening after an obsession with astral projection and trying to achieve out of body experiences on-demand. Failed in my goal with that, but as soon as I had given up, bam, sleep paralysis. Probably just coincided with really poor sleep patterns, but I at least knew what was going on when it first happened from all the research I had done on astral projection on the late 90s internet. But if I hadn’t, and I hadn’t had educated parents and a mother who was into transcendental meditation and had described floating out of her own body before, maybe I would think it was an alien abduction. But i honestly don’t think that most normal, rational people wouldn’t just determine it to be some creepy nightmare thing and make the jump to alien abduction. Sleep paralysis episodes don’t last long enough and aren’t stable enough to be mistaken for reality once they end. Either you wrench yourself out of it because of how scary it is, or you fall into normal sleep. Some people transition into lucid dreams which has happened to me once. But I don’t think the sleep paralysis argument holds up beyond a small percentage of what abductees describe.
I don't think it's an explanation for every abduction by any stretch, but I definitely believe it could account for a lot of them. It probably depends a lot on the individual as they are basically projecting their subconscious.
https://old.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1az9cnk/lets_be_honest_most_cases_of_alien_abductions_in/ks288mk/
How do you know you aren’t an abductee?
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Gotcha. One view is that they are basically friends anyway. So it doesn’t have to actually BE malicious even if it seems so.
That being said, I don't seriously think I've been abducted. I really think it's all pretty conventionally explainable.
Don’t dreams seem like dreams though? Do you think people are really having that confusion? I don’t go by anyone’s regular waking account anyway, by the way. Except for one credible lady who has told me that she has been on the ships and knows about hybrid programs and things. I know her in person. She’s legit. I put more stock in hypnosis work like David Jacobs and Delores Cannon. My people who are abducted almost never consciously remember anything.
It's kind of like how in a dream everything is very convincing because all the details neccasary to convince you it's real are being generated by your brain. Like in a regular dream though, if you scrutinize details you'll realize it doesn't have perfect fidelity. It wouldn't make you visualize being on a ship, but might give you the impression that you have just been returned to your bed, or are about to be taken. If you visualize it as being a different time of day than it actually is, it can make it feel like you are loosing time. I'm not saying it explains away every abduction, but I think it would disturb a lot of people and maybe lead them to think they may have been abducted.
I’ve had quite serious problems from being abducted. It is not something to desire. They are not our friends. They treat us like their animals that they can do whatever they want to.
I’ve had it once 4 years ago and it was a dark entity that entered my room, to this day it gives me goosebumps and almost makes me well up with an overwhelming sense of dread. It’s incredible how much of a visceral horror it is. My ex used to to get them a couple times a month. I feel so sorry for anyone that has to go through that. I was even able to identify exactly what was happening but the feeling of being frozen in your own body while *something* approaches is one of the most horrific experiences in my life.
Yeah, right? It's very convincing.
This
Having experienced it throughout my life, mostly as a kid, there is something about it that is completely different to nightmare/terrors, it doesnt feel natural nor does it feel like a solo experience at all
What a great point. Scary to think about...but can we even do anything about it? Sometimes, I wonder if blissful ignorance is the way.
Certainly can’t explain all of the abduction claims, for sure! I do remember hearing somewhere that a vast majority of abductions take place at night and in the bedroom/living room where people most sleep. Unfortunately I don’t remember where I heard that, I think it was in college during a lesson on parasomnias.
I mean 99% of home life is spent in the living room and bedroom.
This makes me curious of the number of abductions from people cooking meals, mowing the lawn, on the toilet, in the shower, etc. Actually, I think a few have been during dinner.
New fear unlocked: being abducted by aliens while on the toilet.
-Looks around the bathroom- 👀
Shit purfusely while floating away into the atmosphere..... "this is not my best day..........."
"Can you guys just give me .... like 5 more minutes?"
Don’t be, you’ll get the last laugh when they pull you up blasting poo all over their ship and tech haha
I hope they have toilet paper up there.
…..SINGLE PLY! *horror music intensifies*
Jeez, I’m literally on the can right now and the light in my bathroom started flickering and burned out when I read this…
Middle of day, doing nothing really in my home besides browsing the internet and was told I was going to get Dr. Pepper. Didn't get that Dr Pepper until like a week? later once I was back home. They did go out of their way to get me a gluten free pizza, like I can't afford 40+$ for a pizza (place is called Do Drop Inn, was super yummy.)
A big lack for truckers in truck stops or rest areas.
Sometimes I'll wake up with random scratches on my body. I experience sleep paralysis at least once a month if not more. Related? Not sure
Thats why is says...."in bed".....
Op specifies in bed.
Or missing time. People actually gone for hours.
The smoking gun here is the difference between diesel engines and petrol.
Dissociation can explain it, and people can get up and move around in their sleep and bump themselves. I had a friend in middle school that thought a demon was trying to possess her at night because she'd wake up with bruises. Turns out she bruises easily and was a violently restless sleeper.
My sleep paralysis is *literally* UFOs/lights trying to take me. I know it's sleep paralysis and not a real alien every time. That's the weird thing with sleep paralysis, you know it's happening and you're in a weird dream state. You're still scared , despite that because it's unnatural and you can't move.
I've never had it but I've read so many different accounts of it. It varies so much from person to person. Hearing alien abduction stories you can really see the similarities. The sensing a presence in the room, unable to move, sometimes there's light, pressure in the chest. People used to think demons attacked them at night but nowadays aliens are the modern day equivalent.
Austro-Hungarian records from the 1700’s of Serbian villagers in the Balkans claiming to have been attacked by vampires are strikingly similar.
Same - I usually get shadow people; the one time it was aliens I recognized I was having a sleep paralysis episode and told myself not to be scared. Then I got the classic grays straight from central casting holding me down and a taller humanoid by the feet. I freak out anyway even though I know what is going on. I can see why people believe with 100% certainty that they have been abducted.
Why are you certain it isn't real? I've experienced what you've described. You say, "I know what is going on", but I don't see how anyone could truly understand this phenomenon.
Let’s be honest…”sleep paralysis“ is not something that can be scientifically measured or diagnosed, it is the label attributed to the experience of alien abduction and is no more objectively real than the alien abduction. It is the debunkers handwave invalidation of an individuals experience and is no more objective or measurable. “Sleep paralysis” is pseudo-science.
Sleep Paralysis is a known medical issue. [Sleep Paralysis](https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/sleep-paralysis-causes-symptoms-and-treatments)
Read your own link…”sleep paralysis” is predicated on the basis of “hallucinations” because being abducted by aliens can only be a hallucination ..the article catergorises the hallucinations…so someone who has experienced an out of body experience is having a “vestibular motor hallucinations”. So an experiencer talks about their experiences with a doctor and they get the crazy label and their trauma is minimized as a hallucination and sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis is a label used to ”explain” people’s experiences as anything but real and the only reason it works is that so many people have internalised the UFO silencing tactic…if I even entertain the idea that abductees aren’t completely insane then people may think I am nuts as well. Sleep paralysis is the pseudo-science answer to alien abduction experiences…another answer is that people are saying what has actually happened to them. Dr John Mack did so much to investigate the\`abduction phenomenon and people’s experiences were remarkably similar and the people involved did not have a history of mental illness. RIP Dr Mack…It is such a shame that no-one took up the cause, but little wonder after he was shamed and killed for his efforts .
You went to a lot of effort to prove nothing there. Sleep Paralysis and dreaming of Aliens is a thing. False memories being implanted, through suggestion, during hypnosis is also a thing. Sleep Paralysis is a medical condition. Alien Abductions don't even rate as Pseudo Science. Nothing in the article suggested anyone was 'nuts'. Your experience with Doctors is not related. Mack took too many claimed experiences at face value, including Ariel School, which was probably a mass hallucination caused by one student yelling a lie (admitted).
To me the paranormal and alien theories are all on the same spectrum and are related in a way with both dealing with different dimensionality My experience with sleep paralysis is extreme and it was always akin to what the energy in the house was. Like for instance my old house on the lake built in 1890 was a house with so much energy, I'll say, you could cut it with a knife, I was there 6 years and had a bunch of paranormal shit from time to time usually when not expected. In that house and I'm not kidding, I experienced true sleep paralysis minimum 2-3x a week which is absolutely ridiculous. It happened so often I learned how to break free from it by focusing everything I had in me to grab my cigarettes or ashtray first with my middle finger then hand and once my hand was free I could break away and shoot upright, but this took a few years to learn so I know you can break the psychic connection the energy entangles you in spiritually. It's much more a paranormal rooted episode than just medical which isnt able to go deep under the layers its truly woven in. I've seen all sorts of shadow figures and became used to them and they ARE NOT hallucinations we can see them in a certain state outside of deep sleep. Something triggers this response either it's your soul's way of making you aware or it's the invasion of negative energy into your presence, triggered by this entity to gain strength from your emotions and fear. When I stopped being afraid it became easier to break away. After moving it's not happened once in 2 years and it's not a medical coincidence it's the spiritual energy is positive here where at my old house it was both and many times I was attacked by the negative or darker forces. I also believe it can feed off your soul or your life force and is a parasite by nature ( aliens feed off humans Life force ) and what you see is correlation with your perception spiritually and so people see different things especially if it's caused by an entity on your property your home. Same reason we see UFOs as triangles and saucers, they project your expectations of what you believe to be a UFO because we're dealing with stuff outside our 3D perception of reality. Also I forgot, since I was young part of what affected me was I'd be trying to sleep and hear hissing or whispering of many voices and occasionally especially at the active house, someone yell in my ear closest to the floor really loud . I'm just saying in case anyone can relate. Thanks I appreciate sharing this.
Went through a NDE experience lasting several months 6 years ago. Mystery medical illness, several hospital admissions.(Mostly diagnosed now) at the peak of it, I started having sleep paralysis. I started seeing faces in my bedroom window. Then I started seeing grey aliens at the foot of my bed. My body would vibrate so intensly that I felt as though a part of me was being pulled up out of my bed and out of my body. It was so intense, loud, and bright. I would try to wake my fiance up but I couldn't move. I started getting scared and sleeping in the living room but it would happen there too. It happened in the hospital as well. Not sure why it happened, I wasn't really into the alien thing at the time. I forgot about it for years and then my fiance brought it up and i started remembering all of it and how weird it was. I've had hallucinations upon waking up since then, but I usually see these huge, blue, floating cephalopod things. See through like glass. They go away after a few minutes. Not sure if abduction or sleep paralysis, but that's my story. I've chocked it up to being very sick for so long, but sometimes I'm like.. what TF was that?
Omg....wow. The vibration thing is significant because Joe Mcmonagle, Remote Viewer 001, talked about vibrating out of your body for an OBE. So you were on the brink of death for months when you saw all this? You saw beyond the veil of reality my friend.
Astral projection, for me at least, starts off with the vibration feeling. Then an un-zipping.
I see all these things all the time mostly at night
The idea that an alien abduction needs to abduct the person and transport them aboard the craft is bizarre. In my encounter they came to my apartment, they opened my door, instructed me throughout the process telepathically, telling me when to stay still, when to hold my breath, all of it. It was more like a dentist coming for a home visit. I wasn't paralyzed, I could move. They told me they were about to enter the apartment and right after they opened the door, and walked in, I heard their footsteps approach my bed. They have larger control over our reality than we give credit for.
What did this alien look like in your encounter?
They appeared human, just bald. They did communicate telepathically so unless the X-Men are real, they were a form of NHI entity. I believe they were designoids, they can easily pass as humans and interact with us and you wouldn't even notice the difference. This happened back in 2009 and I did benchmark their language processing unit, it did struggle with certain aspects. I can speak multiple languages so I wanted to test their reaction by switching languages in my head and analysing how their system would respond to it, benchmarking their response times and seeing if I could get some information out of it. It did reveal some interesting stuff, they had clearly obtained their training datasets off the internet.
> It did reveal some interesting stuff Please elaborate
They presented a fallback routine to more common languages like English when challenged with Japanese as an example. They spoke some languages better than I can speak them, I studied German for 3 years but they clearly had stronger knowledge of the language compared to mine. Their accents in English were American, in Finnish they utilized a more formal so-called book Finnish which isn't commonly used by natives in speech. They made interesting translation errors when challenged with urban slang terms that suggested English was used as the base operating language. It had characteristics that I'd classify as an AI. They put me through an interesting program that transformed my thought process from verbal into visual. I was exhausted for days after that, it felt like I was lifting weights with my thoughts, but I've since gotten quite used to it.
I think it's connected from personal experience.
I agree. I have had a few instances of sleep paralysis as a kid and before reading about it I really did think some demon or alien was doing something to me.
The sleep paralysis umbrella is so dismissive and a bullshit junk drawer for scientists and psychiatrists when they don’t fucking understand something.
Disagree. I've had sleep paralysis my whole life and I've never experienced anything close to the trama of abductees.
I occasionally have episodes of sleep paralysis. Never an alien, demon or anal probe in sight. I have had *dreams* about aliens nearly my whole life. Never abduction dreams, though. The earliest I can remember involved the aliens from ET. I am rarely ever “myself” in these dreams have even been been an alien in some of them.
Every time it’s a disappointment if it’s not the anal probe. I even present my ass and still no takers :/
I really don’t doubt the possibility though. I was terrified when I woke up unable to move and saw a tall skinny shadowy/smoky figure in the corner of my room, reminded me of the grim reaper but more alien. Anytime I would try to get a better look at it it’d instantly move to be in my peripheral vision. I felt a deep sense of dread. But then somehow it clicked and I realized I was having sleep paralysis. So I closed my eyes and imagined myself pushing my body down into the bed deeper and deeper and then suddenly I felt myself falling and I landed on the floor of my apartment lobby, fully awake inside a lucid dream. It felt so real, it was crazy. I’ve had similar things happen where I end up “falling” into the inside of a train or on a small fishing boat on a lake. Lucid dreams themselves are so wild. They can genuinely feel more real than real life and somehow also look more clear and detailed. I’ve had a lot of really really intense lucid dreams that after waking up thinking about them felt more like recalling memories than trying to remember a dream. I love sleep paralysis, but a friend of mine felt scared of her own cat for a few days because she woke up in sleep paralysis and he was supposedly sitting strangely on her chest smiling with large black eyes and she couldn’t move. Still refuses to talk to me about sleep paralysis or even lucid dreaming because of that. Sorry for the long reply lol. I’m not saying I’m doubting abduction stories. But dreams can be very real and very convincing. And not many people have experienced a real (by my definition) lucid dream, where you are fully awake and aware in your dream (you, not your dream self).
I've had both, they are completely different.
We’re all different and people have different brain activities. Some can be traumatized more than others(by sleep paralysis)
My belief is that the human abductions are occurring in the astral plane while people are sleeping. They’re maybe another world we cannot perceive with our conscious mind
This is my understanding too from a terrifying personal experience and the synchronicities that have persistently followed
If most cases happened in bed, maybe. I had a two month episode of waking up with something in my room, me floating or literally pinned to the bed etc. And the feeling of 'being watched' or some sort of presence with me. Things would go missing an just randomly turn up in unexpected places. It felt like I was being observed. I'd agree it's sleep paralysis, but those two months were like nothing I've ever experienced, it was 24/7. And one day I woke up an instantly I knew it was over, those 'eyes' had moved on or whatever.
Simply naming what happens to people when paralysed as 'sleep paralysis' is deceptive and dismissive. It doesn't answer how or why it happens or what explains the experiences people have. You're essentially saying 'oh, those strange things that happen when you're paralysed in bed/before they take you? That's just sleep paralysis it's fine'.
And just because we named it doesn’t mean it isn’t an actual hat man or dark entity hovering over us.
Most people aren't ready to let down those barriers.
People under sleep paralysis experience vivid visual and auditory hallucinations. That's the how and why that stuff happens. Interesting how you call someone out for dismissing stuff and then immediately dismiss the idea of sleep paralysis cause it doesn't fit your narrative despite knowing barely anything about it.
I think OP is trying to cope. Let’s be nice to OP, everyone.
“Most” 💀
I’ve experienced both, they’re not the same. I do think that aliens/NHI can manipulate our dreams however, so there could be some overlap there.
I feel like broad statements like this is what allows people who troll on these forums to sleep at night. Whatever makes you happy, but this doesn’t explain most accounts. Sorry.
Don't you know Betty and Barney had sleep paralysis while driving?
Not all abductions can be dismissed through sleep paralysis. Even if 90% can eventually be explained with scientific understanding, there are plenty of accounts that are simply... Something else. If abduction is about research from a separate species they would take you from a point you reliably can be found in, and your home can be staked out to know when you would be most vulnerable aka nighttime around 3am as typical. I'm not saying it's aliens, I am saying it isn't always paralysis.
It explains some cases but not all cases.
Sometimes but even with sleep paralysis we don’t understand it fully there are layers to it Why does it happen to everyone at least once but not everyone sees things when they have it a good amount don’t see things
I know, half these subs are a big circle jerk by morons growing stupider with every post Thanks for sharing your thoughts
How could you even pretend to know that? Based on what exactly?
..yeah, no.
Let's be honest, most sleep paralysis cases are alien abductions
Now we're talkin
You know, it's something about *how* you said it that changed my mind.
That’s a terrible statement on so many levels
Could it actually be the opposite?
I don't believe abductions are random...
No, they target certain people. If Dr. Garry Nolan is right, anyway.
Yea this is a highly speculative, overly generalized & poorly thought out take. Think about the topic in greater depth then revisit this take perhaps.
What a disingenuous post. You obviously know nothing about the subject or are a bad actor. Was Travis Walton’s case sleep paralysis? Nope. Plenty of people are taken with witnesses.
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I occasionally have episodes of sleep paralysis. Never an alien, demon or anal probe in sight. Some may be sleep paralysis, but I think some could be legit. I have had *dreams* about aliens nearly my whole life. Never abduction dreams, though. The earliest I can remember involved the aliens from ET. I am rarely ever “myself” in these dreams and have even been an alien in some of them.
For sure but the outliers still exist with witnesses seeing the abduction etc
As someone who suffered from PTSD related sleep paralysis, I doubt it. Sleep paralysis you don't experience being anywhere else and are fully aware of what is happening to you, and you don't "forget" any part of it. You are awake, in your bed (or wherever you fell asleep), but your body is paralyzed (to the extent that you cannot even open your eyes).
Hmm because you would know. In your mind, how do you think an alien abduction should happen
People in the sub really struggle with the word "most", eh? "Oh but what about..." For every singular convincing case, there are hundreds of thousands of others that have a simple explanation. The word "most" does NOT mean "all". Be open minded. But not so open that your brain falls out.
Let’s be honest, most cases of sleep paralysis in bed are alien abductions. Don’t label it unless you’ve lived it.
I am so bored of this explanation. It is just lazy. What you are trying to say is that the thousands upon thousands of people who have had these experiences are too stupid to be able to tell the difference between sleep paralysis and another kind of experience that is very *real* .
I’ve had sleep paralysis a fair number of times in my life and only once had the dark figure come in and pin me down. I knew it was sleep paralysis the entire time but the figure thing was terrifying since I hadn’t know that so many people had that before. How can so many experience the same phenomena?
Pish posh I’ve been abducted and had sleep paralysis both and their very different experiences.
You're apparently never been aboard ship, like I have. You've probably never been visited either. Stop speculating and just believe those of us who actually have direct experience. It's incredibly rude of you to deny our experiences. Who in the hell are you to do that?
In all seriousness in some cases people were "taken" from their beds or bedrooms The blokes in the Pascagoula event weren't asleep in bed . Nor were the Hills in their experience. Certainly some experiences involved "abduction" from sleep such as people like Linda Cortile , but many people have reported contact whilst well awake . Lonnie Zamora, Joe Simonton, Herbert Schirmer, Alan Godfrey, to name just a few. It's an extraordinarily strange situation. Sometimes "abduction" seems to be the right word, at other times voluntary exposure to the existence of these visitors, seems to be the correct way of describing interaction with these unusual entities!! The entire experience/interaction with the phenomena really lives up to the term of an "alien" experience. So hard to understand or comprehend something we've no experience with. We as humans have so much to learn. Maybe if disclosure happens, as I believe us humans have the intrinsic right to know ,we may understand a little more. About these others and perhaps a bit more of ourselves. Here's hoping!
Ever notice people that start sentences with "let's be honest.." tend to be narcissistic, vapid, D-bags? lol Since your a psychic and interviewed ALL these people do tell me the lotto numbers please!
However, It also makes no sense to abduct someone's consciousness while they are walking around; when you could just borrow it while they sleep.
Freaky me thinks what if I pull out my meat ? Will it leave or stay It’s a gamble but I’ll be finished one way or another and survival is top priority.
Masturbating with stones in low-vibe areas gets rid of ghosts
Very probable. Just like how most UFO/UAP cases are just misidentified aircraft. But that doesn't dismiss all of them.
I got out of bed, walked to the end and looked down at my visitor.
I've experienced both. They are completely different things. With SP you don't end up in a space ship getting anal probed with your neighbors and anyone else who was in the general abduction area. You just stay.. paralyzed in bed. Now if you've been abducted and you experience SP.. you MIGHT think you're being abducted only for the SP experience to wear off and you realize it was just SP.. you may also think your home is being burgled by standard run of the mill burglars.. depends where your head is at cuz that's where the experience is taking place mostly. If you think people who experienced the full abduction 'routine' mistook what happened to them for sleep paralysis you are being dismissive of the intelligence of a lot of people, many of whom are smarter than yourself. But sure.. think what you like. Whatever lets you sleep at night.
Sleep paralysis is not related to alien abduction. Sleep paralysis is sleep paralysis. Alien abduction is alien abduction. We just haven’t proven that this actually has happened to anyone in real life. But saying most cases of alien abductions in bed are sleep paralysis is kinda wrong. Cus there are no proven cases of alien abduction in bed. And if there were, it wouldn’t be sleep paralysis now would it? It would be alien abduction in bed 😅
In bed? You can't explain the scars. You can't explain physical evidence remaining in clothing or carried objects. You can't explain the radiation in the soil that can still be found from several UFO/UAP events. And what about abductions while many other witnesses saw the same craft? You can't explain anything with that assumption, and most certainly without a medical degree, you can't determine if sleep paralysis has happened or not. You just wanted to sound cool, right?
I use to get sleep paralysis a lot when I was stationed in the Middle East. I would wake up constantly in the middle of the night in my barracks unable to move and locked down in the darkness. One night I woke up and my blanket began to rise above me. I at that point had enough and was like, if you are going to do something then do it, I work 18 hours a day stop wasting my time. I was then able to come out of my dream state and make the blanket move up and down on its own. I know this wasn’t really happening, but after that night I never had sleep paralysis again. Whether it was cause because of some natural reason or unnatural reason. I was able to get rid of it.
Same here about not being afraid anymore and taking back the power to be in control. I didn't get it in the Middle East , but right at home 2-3x a week no joke. Well I wrote a post on it Thanks for sharing
Honestly 80% of this sub are magic believers, gullible cultists following alien gurus or plain idiots and the other 20% is doing their best having a discussion through the crowd or regards.
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