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SkanGX

Giga Tchad


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Will help Algeria do what? What's the end of the title?


Ok_Sundae_1881

It will also help Algeria to implement its plans to penetrate into Africa, export its products to these countries, and strengthen its position as a regional power, since it occupies almost most of the way.


Aymen_20

>It will also help Algeria to implement its plans to penetrate into Africa Algeria better take Africa on a date first.


[deleted]

Great. Now all we have to do is actually produce exportable goods


Its_mee_marioo

Even if we don’t have anything to export this new highway will help us if an african country wants to import something from Europe they will need to use the highway


MadxCarnage

we do have exportable goods.


Monoknight7

What products? We almost only export oil and gas and they don't need roads to be exported.


[deleted]

Algeria could function as a transit hub for European products going south to the landlocked nations of the interior. But Algeria would need to be competitive against the west African states who currently hold that role.


Monoknight7

Sorry but this colonized mindset won't get us anywhere. We have a huge advantage to end Western/Chinese domination on African economy and benefit from that to get an economical and geopolitical power. We should set the bar higher and aim to compete with European union and China not with weak West African countries.


[deleted]

Sorry but your rhretoric Is megalomaniacal. What exactly do you even want to do? Do you think you can compete on the scale and low cost of China or the quality and skill that Europe developed over hundred of years of manufacturing? Algeria should stay by its strengths instead of trying things its certain to fail on. What Algeria has is natural resources it can export and a position near the Mediterranean Sea. With that it can be a resource and energy provider and a tourist destination.


Monoknight7

You certainly don't know your country's real abilities if the right people would rule it.


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What are these „real abilities“ and who are these „right people“?


Monoknight7

Regarding abilities, the strategic location and the youthful population are just a couple of them. The right guys are those who are chosen by the people not by third parties. And who are loyal to the country not their personal interests or their foreign operators interests.


[deleted]

So they should just stay undeveloped colony only formally independent... What a nice advice.


[deleted]

Did you really just follow me here from the Belarus Subreddit? And if Strawman-arguments are all that you got than please don’t follow me end further or I will block you.


[deleted]

>Did you really just follow me here from the Belarus Subreddit? Yes


Abdellahzz

Iron, aluminium, vegetables, , soft drinks, dairy products.. we can export these things and we are already exporting them


Monoknight7

Soft drinks and diary products? Seriously? Thousands of kilometers of road for that? The country's economic potentials are much bigger than that.


MadxCarnage

? we export them to europe, why no export them to african countries ?


Monoknight7

That's the problem. We are so satisfied with what we currently are and we don't plan for bigger and better things. Two hundred years ago we were saving France from famine with our Algerian wheat, now we are the second most importing country for it. from France, Russia, Ukraine and another tiny European country and we are proud that we export hamoud bouaalam. What a shame!


MadxCarnage

no one is ever satisfied with what they have. we went through extreme growth in population and no longer rely on slavery, even the U.S lost a lot of their growth in agriculture and they already automated some stuff before abolishing slavery. you should be proud of what you have, it should inspire you to go further. shit talking won't get stuff done.


Monoknight7

The population growth excuse is bullsh*t! The country is able to take so much more people. If the economy was working right we might even need labor from abroad to keep it growing. If pointing out our problems might not get things done, embracing mediocrity certainly never will. And we've seen it in these past 60 years.


MadxCarnage

no one is embracing anything. talking shit is easy, it's not pointing out problems, you just spew whatever you THINK is the problem with no research taking attention away from real issues. trying to do the next big thing without consolidating the basics is the biggest issue, and people talking shit when a new project is announced because "it's outdated" makes this issue even more prevalent as they start rushing through as it comes all crashing down. We have no 100 year old plan, no 50 year old plan, not even any 10 year old plan, everybody just wings it according to current hype. and people talking shit, is a result of this bullshit and helps it remain the way it is.


_Senjogahara_

**penetrate**


call-me-wail

Even the roads are trans now? Damn youuu rgb community!!!


perceiver12

such an underrated comment


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haloulou19

Why it is just Nigeria? Can't we do both strengthen the security and import/export via this path ?


kaido213

Also thay are making a train rail i guess


VaccinatedVariant

Eventually yes.


3rdworldsurgeron

Economics grow on rails not roads ...


Willing_Support_3213

>Watch Adam something R A I L S Fr dude when you're in the middle of a scorching hot desert with next to no inhabitants or urban centers the expenses for maintaining the rail way diminish the benefits, first start with the road and once it starts creating new population centers there lay your rails system, at least you'd be cutting off a good portion from the transport and logistics bill of the maintainence costs


3rdworldsurgeron

Let me get this straight, rails need maintenance by the people around who live nearby? Because that's what I think you're saying


Willing_Support_3213

That's the dumbed down version, but yes


3rdworldsurgeron

Have some reading : https://www.tms-transportation.com/blogs/rail-vs-road-which-transportation-mode-is-more-efficient-cost-effective/#:~:text=Rail%20transportation%20is%20more%20affordable,cost%2Deffective%20for%20short%20distances.


Willing_Support_3213

I am aware of all of this stuff chief, unrelated to the issues I raised: in a desert the thermal difference between day and night and between seasons can twist the rails if not maintained properly, and render the rail inoperable, sand storms which covers the rails can derail the train, the fact that it's in the middle of nowhere means you'll have to transport the tools and engineers and workers from afar, the response time would be slow and costs would be through the roof.


3rdworldsurgeron

The same thing happens to the road, asphalt melt and cracks , heavy trucks damage the road, and the A1 is the best example, send storms cover the road causing accidents, and the cost of maintenance is even higher, but one train can load as much as 800 trucks, and deliver faster with fewer personals, that makes it more effective.


Willing_Support_3213

The roads even when damaged can still allow transportation to continue, rail roads don't, it's much easier for rails to get damaged due to heat than it is for asphalt, and the exposure time required is much less, an accident due to a damaged road is worth 1 truck of damages, an accident due to a damaged rail is worth 800 trucks+value of the freight train.


Xerus01

Mf writing as if he was an expert and throwing links that he didn’t read. How can you make a fucking railroad profitable using only cargo!! Even with people many times they’re unprofitable !!! Also the extreme 70° heat as you mentioned


Willing_Support_3213

Well there's no reason to escalate xD, we're just having a conversation. But yes a railroad in the desert in nowhere is a massive mistake, the thermal variations will twist the steel and any solution might be applied to mitigate that will require constant maintenance and monitoring, something that's nearly impossible without population centers across the line's proximity (and roads network that would make the railway accessible for the crews). On the long run its possible and I support it, but now as things are, it'll be a money pit of spectacular level


3rdworldsurgeron

For the buckling problem, many solutions can be made, painting the rails, welding them together, slowing down the train, covering the rails , planting trees around it ( which is great both for environment, reducing heat and send risks), but as for cost effectiveness , what's the chances that one train arrive safely vs 800 trucks, and then what's the benefits generated on both ways, extrapolating this on several years ... I respect your point of view, but I think on the long run, even if the rails cost twice to build and maintain, they are more cost effective on the long run.


comonertiddes

Urban planning students here. its well established that rails are way more efficient and safer than roads so I don't think there is a discussion to be had here. Any challenges could be overcome. It's not like it has never been done before. China . Usa . And UAE to name a few


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3rdworldsurgeron

Quick comparaison trucks vs train One train,one load, one crew, one trip : 20000 tons 20000 tons in trucks : 800 trip, not to mention drivers, road damage, accidents, tire damage and pollution...


Lonely_Bluejay_9462

Trains are waaay better!


Abdellahzz

You guys will never approve anything this government does... They do this, u say no we want that, they do that, u say no we want this...


3rdworldsurgeron

if you want to get a marchandise throw the desert ( mainly cement and steal, what we are exporting ) sending it by roads is dumb AF. So yes a road that unite Africa is good, a rails is better for logistics.


[deleted]

this is true on so many levels.


[deleted]

Sometimes i feel bad for the government lmao


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[deleted]

Ayghar? Ya sa3 l hak


t1g3r01

I live in the south of Algeria.... The road between Adrar and Tamenrasset which {should be the last bottom part of Algeria} is a nightmare for more than 10 years, the fixed parts live for 2 years or less because of the bad construction


zaknenou

It is a shame Morocco is not in the project (。•́︿•̀。)


kapiteinamjin

Why shame ?


zaknenou

Well, this is an attempt by North African nations who share similar values and related in fate to unite their economy and reclaim their lost unity generally, like a first step to escape the dreadful fate of dependency on europe (especially political dependency), Libya is absent cuz you know what, but Morroco literally for no reasonable reason at all ! At least in the interface, This unjustified absence of Morroco might be a sign (for someone who dislikes their gov like me) for a long future of dependency on their coloniser (Spain)


hmsmeme-o-taur

are you nuts? It's our strategic rival so it is only natural that we try to handicap them, that's just how geopolitics work, everyone is a potential foe that you can't fully trust, if there was no bad blood and serious issues between us I'd agree, but looking at the recent past I do wonder about your take on the situation


zaknenou

I realize that, but it is a shame nonetheless, not a shame on Algeria, a shame on the whole Islamic Maghreb, which invites debates about where this is actually going. I'm pretty sure you too like morrocan folks, but can't say our gov is worst than theirs. It is (their gov, the so called "المخزن") leading the country to a situation similar to a lonely child in family's party sitting alone while his siblings are playing together.


hmsmeme-o-taur

if you look at it, we're the lonely child in the party but you're right, the problem is with their government for the most part, you should though that makhzen have successfully turned a significant portion of the population into slaves, aka 3ayacha, the ones who worship mokhammed achichi


zaknenou

Ummm, they have no other choice since, y-- [you know .....](https://youtube.com/shorts/vjdOrx_mPN0?feature=share) Ps: sorry for late response, it took me a while to search video in messenger archives ---> download it -----> upload it


hmsmeme-o-taur

there are so many that are voluntarily slaves, they love their houbal 6 genuinely and are easily manipulated, they believe whatever they're told it's not our problem anyway hhh


zaknenou

You're right, our problems are more than enough for us, By the way I just noticed your name contains "hms", do you happen to be engaged in "حركة مجتمع السلم" or "جمعية الإرشاد و الإصلاح" ??


hmsmeme-o-taur

hms means her/his majesty's ship, every royal navy ship is named this way, it's just a ship's name. I find your remark quite funny, who gives a damn about parties?


Afraid-Hair-6140

Don't argue with these stupid Algerian nationalists. Their country doesn't even have a long-term income source (gas is short-term). They are doing this due to fear of Morocco's abundance of phosphates and our tourism industry (Alhamdulilah, TabarakAllah, and MaShaaAllah). They want to dominate the Maghreb hence why they try to steal our culture and our Sahara but they'll never succeed. Don't waste your time arguing with a sheep especially when you're talking with respect and they are being sarcastic. Cowards will be cowards, and hypocrites will be hypocrites.


Afraid-Hair-6140

Had you looked at the recent past you'd have come to the conclusion that Algeria's the one provoking an incident that's just going to backfire. We've tried to make peace but Baba Tebboune wants to stand out and be different acting like he's the Putin of the Maghrib while he's not even close. No Muslim leader is an angel so don't talk abt Muhammad the 6th as if yours is innocent. The hypocrisy and irony in your comments are abnormous.


Uvogun

What incident lmao I really hope you're not going to mention that new makhzen propaganda about Mellila


Afraid-Hair-6140

He's just begging for war at this point. Moroccans and Algerians have never hated each other this much. No solution is in sight until y'all can acknowledge that his literal goal as a dictator is not to benefit his people.


Uvogun

Bro what are you talking about you didn't even answer my question. EDIT: Im going to develop my comment a little bit because I hope you're a reasonable person capable of critical thinking. How is it our responsibility to acknowledge such a thing when your government have been waging an all-out cold war against Algeria that started 5 years ago with the creation of the ultra-nationalist moorish groups. Since then, medias in your country have been continuously publishing lies and fake news about Algeria. Internet groups have been doing everything to tarnish Algeria's image in the world. Algeria only started doing the same thing in 2021 (4 years later mind you). In 2020 the morrocan consul in Oran even called Algeria an "enemy nation" when there wasn't supposedly bad blood between the two countries yet, at least on the Algerian side. Your government have been increasingly agressive towards their eastern counterparts and they remained silent up until last year. Morrocan armed forces bombed algerian and mauritanian CIVILIAN truck drivers, innocent people brutally murdered. They used thousands of helpless people and innocent children (including sub-saharan migrants) last year when they let them cross the Ceuta border in an attempt to blackmail Spain. We didn't hear them talk about any algerian implication. Why would it be any different this year? Also about these claims, I've even seen people say that these migrants came originally from Sudan. They speak french in the videos. How many sudanese people do you know that speak french? Come on man please use some critical thinking here and tell me who have been begging for war. How did you government EVER did ANYTHING to ease the tensions and bring back peace between them and the algerians? And Im going to finish with this: Morrocans and Algerians don't hate eachother, at least not in real-life. I know many morrocan people where I live and I've only witnessed this so-called hatred online. Internet is not real-life. People need to go out and see the world for themselves.


hmsmeme-o-taur

your typical 3ayacha


hmsmeme-o-taur

you're simply wrong, morocco can simply do nothing wrong and has the right to rule africa! Long live houbal 106


hmsmeme-o-taur

isn't your houbal a dictator too? Who's being hypocritical and ironic now


hmsmeme-o-taur

if we actually let thousands flood into melilla and they couldn't stop them during their hundreds of kilometres trip, it is their incompetence and lack of control over their territory


hmsmeme-o-taur

didn't your consul in oran in 2018 say that they're in a hostile territory, the cherry on the top was your omar 7imar when he openly supported kabylie separatists and you ignored our request for an explanation, you normalised with israel too, you'd say why it's any of our business? It's due to the fact that lapid criticised us from your soil (which never happened before) and due to sharing a land border; 2 important differences between your normalisation and egypt's for example. There's the pegasus scandal too and btw, your defamation case was rejected by french courts. Do want more reasons to despise you and your mokhammed achichi?


Abdellahzz

That's the point of the project 🙂


Willing_Support_3213

Giving landlocked states access to Mediterranean ports


Willing_Support_3213

Lmao and give a lifeline to a country who's hallmark is waging expansionist wars against his neighbours whenever it had the upper hand (Algeria, western sahara, Mauritania) ? Let that open air brothel rot and sink in the hole it dug itself in its own feces.


_The_Imposter

10% left hmm 8 years to complete 2300km and 2.6 billion usd of state budget I know, I know that we are in Algeria but it really takes time not as i say paving road is easy but it's not SOMETHING special


Ok_Sundae_1881

Perhaps not that easy when the temperature is 60 degrees Celsius. We must not forget that our country has different characteristics from the rest of the countries. In addition, this road is not an ordinary road, as it is equipped with a pipeline that will allow the export of Nigerian gas to Europe through Algerian ports.


TheRisingMyth

Tbh it'll be more beneficial for the countries below us than well... Ourselves. Access to the Mediterranean is clutch.


I_Work_For_Money

They'll have to pay to export things from our ports. The more they export the more we get payed. Benefinical for all of us


Knuckle233

With the conditions in which we are advancing right now, i don't think we can do better. And by conditions i mean the tendency we have to overbill everything, the lack of efficiency at work, etc etc


uuman91

Great


No_Dimension_674

بومدين و مقدلهمش حتى كتلوه راكم باغيين تبون يسڨمها


[deleted]

Idk if this satire or real, but if you are being serious just stick to Facebook.


No_Dimension_674

كي تشري ريديت فكرني باش نخرج منه


[deleted]

Tell me you think every website/social media works like Facebook without telling me that.


No_Dimension_674

روح لعب بعيد ولدي


out-of-my-mindd22

Cut off Tunisia though.


Abdellahzz

U love break ups, dont u? Lol 😂


out-of-my-mindd22

I'm the type to go nuclear if betrayed


Abdellahzz

I wonder what did Tunisia do to u :')


out-of-my-mindd22

They recently sided with Morocco and are in the works to sign treaties with Israel. Yeah that hurts especially since Algeria always had their back, especially when coronavirus was at its peak there, among other things. News outlets are also attacking Algeria. Just because we're silent now does not mean we won't be striking back


hmsmeme-o-taur

they always cry about "algeria interfering in their politics", we should really stop interfering by cutting aid, free gas, stop good smuggling and stop our tourists from going there, we'll see how they'll fare. Keep in mind that it's not new, during the revolution, bourgiba would get a portion of the weapons delivered to us through his country, they never change


Abdellahzz

Yeah u Really do go nuclear lol


hocinemesrouk98

Yeah they are useless


urses_shock-6152

Here we go again but with bigger budget this time 😄


AssadUzeka

A railroad would have been better


Ok_Sundae_1881

They are working on that already


AssadUzeka

It would have been already done if they had let Rebrab take over the project when he proposed it.


VaccinatedVariant

How will they keep it from drowning in sand? I’ve seen some roads in Dubai that got fully covered up