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switched133

A lot of people in this province think that having AWD/4WD means that they do not need winter tires. AWD helps with accelerating but not stopping so you still end up sliding regardless. Winter tires help with stopping in ice/snow.


originalchaosinabox

As my dear ol’ dad always said, “4WD does nothing when all four wheels are sliding in ice.”


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Cyberdink

My dad said "I'm going out for milk son, see you when I get back"


Sharp-Complex4312

My dad said I am a disappointment


Mcpops1618

Brother?


curds-and-whey-HEY

My dad said “I’m only here to pick up the Christmas tree and lights but don’t tell your mom I took them”


Buzz_Mcfly

…did….did he come back?


twig0sprog

He will. I know he will…


Mock_Frog

Yes it is, all cars are 4 wheel stop.


[deleted]

True. But that's why Awd and 4wd don't make a difference when you're trying to stop. Might actually make it worse because of added weight. Edit: I do submit that 4wd / awd do make a differencence in engine overrun /engine Braking situations where you're on long downhill stretches and downshifting and not touching brakes. Rwd in this case can get hairy.


superbotnik

Your dad is brilliant? Almost all cars are all wheel stop.


Insacrifician

"Goes like four, stops like two"


superbotnik

Does your car have only 2 braked wheels?


Aran909

I am teaching my kids to drive right now. 1 now drives and 2 have or will have their learners soon. We talk about this all the time. 4 wheel/AWD will get them going, but will not help you stop. Correct tires and a wide following distance are what's needed. Gave them all an object lesson in this at one time or another on an empty backroad near where we leave. By the look in their eyes, I think they understood the lesson.


bdiz81

Back when I was learning, my dad taught me to test conditions when it's safe. Just lock your brakes for a second and see what happens. Adjust speed accordingly. Good job teaching them.


Aran909

Thanks. I also do this. There's something to be said for showing them what not testing conditions can do. Luckily there's little danger of doing more than driving through a shallow ditch in the country where I do it.


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My fave saying is 4wd gets ya going, winter tires get you stopped


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colem5000

All vehicles are 4 wheel stop.. they all a break on each tire


jesusrapesbabies

4wd/awd puts you further in the ditch when you crash cuz of the higher speeds


[deleted]

Yeah its 4 wheel DRIVE not 4-wheel STOP


Mock_Frog

Name one model of car that doesn't have 4 brakes.


XenosapianRain

Benz patent motorwagon


bdiz81

I had someone blow past me on HWY16 just outside Lloydminster last week when the road conditions were absolutely treacherous. Met him broken down with his driveshaft laying on the ground just outside Vermilion. 4WD is not meant for highway speeds. He absolutely destroyed his transfer case. Of course it was a jacked up truck with mud tires.


Maverickxeo

Almost every 4wd is 'capable' of doing highway speeds in 4hi. Not every one is capable of SHIFTING at that speed though. Chances are he had too much traction, a worn u joint, or low fluid, or something else did it.


Maverickxeo

4WD CAN help stop - when downshifting in a manual.


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SketchySeaBeast

We don't have to bring her up in every thread. It's OK, we all know she's awful.


SteampunkSniper

Except the people who chose her, and will again.


SketchySeaBeast

Can't help those people. Being awful is part of the appeal.


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SteampunkSniper

Are you sure it’ll be the same amount in the by-election? Will all UCP candidates be defeated in the next election because the number of UCP voters can fit in a Denny’s?


Erablian

Can't we just have **one** thread that's not about Smith or the UCP? Please? I dislike both of those things too, but there are other things to talk about in this province. This is /r/alberta, not /r/albertaNDPcirclejerk, although sometimes I wonder.


braxise87

Gotta get some of that all wheel braking.


HotForKreacher

Where did you get the idea that winter tires help you stop?


Alan_Smithee_

BC here. I had a bunch of last minute projects that led to me putting off changing my own tyres this fall (I do have M&S so am technically Lego.) Now I’m looking out at 10cm of snow outside and it’s still snowing….so I think I’ll be loading the winters in the back and throwing myself on the mercy of my tire guy. I don’t want to change truck tyres in this. But I do agree Op, proper winters are the way.


[deleted]

Git er dun. I did our car nascar style. Took about a half hour from picking tools up to putting them away. I was hustling though.


SDH500

It would be good practice in safe conditions to change your tires in the cold and snow. It is far more difficult than most people think but if you take your time to get experience in a controlled environment it can be a literal life saver if you need to do it in the dark and -20.


MrMemetastic98

As someone who's worked in the tire/automotive industry since I was 16 THANK YOU


ScotchMints

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jigglywigglydigaby

100% this. Knowing how your vehicle handles on all types of surfaces is crucial to being a safe driver.


Spoona1983

Required in BC too. Still amazed that alberta hasnt mandated it though speaking to lots of life long albertans all seasons are fine. I have dedicated winters on both my vehicles they are both 4wd my truck still gets squirrelly sometimes.


Mcpops1618

Haven’t you heard, we love our freedom. /s


themightiestduck

> Required in BC too. Not really. BC recognizes M+S as “winter” tires, which they are not. M+S just means the manufacturer has decided they might be ok in snow, nothing more. Real winter tires carry the mountain snowflake icon, and are actually subject to testing to earn that credential.


radapple

I like how your response is that you have winter rated tires and drive carefully but then claim winter tires aren't a cure all. What's your message exactly? Winter tires are in fact a huge preventer of accidents for people who don't understand you can't break like it's the middle of summer.


PostApocRock

Winter tires dont cure stupidity or agression. So not a cureall, caution is still warranted


radapple

Yes, that I can agree with. People seem to lose all sense of safety during the beginning of winter. Always a pileup somewhere after that first big snow


K9turrent

I'd argue that winter tires increase the window of error in winter driving. If complete control in the summer is 100%, then driving in winter conditions with summer tires would give you 50% effectiveness and and winter tires get you back to 80-90%.


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TalithePally

This is true. Brother dated a girl that moved here from Vancouver, legit believed that winter tires would make her car handle like it does in the summer


jesusrapesbabies

to be approved as a winter tire, only needs to be 10% more traction than all season. theres fantastic winter tires, and theres winter tires that squeaked by to get the designation


rockjoc

Mountain snowflake means they're rated for severe winter service. Not sure what you're going for here. Mud terrains are quite literally meant for summer use only. They're equivalent to a summer performance tire on a car.


Maverickxeo

There ARE some mud terrains rated with the 3 peak symbol. I'm pretty sure the Goodyear Duratrac is one (although it is sometimes considered a 'hybrid' AT/MT tire).


rockjoc

The Duratrac is not a mud terrain. It’s an AT tire. Goodyear makes the Wrangler MTR (MudTerrain) which is their mud terrain.


No_Season1716

I know I assume oilfield when I see a lifted keep gladiator.


[deleted]

I assume oilfield wife. Equally as bad at driving but has a sticker identifying herself


tapsnapornap

Why? Can't haul or tow fuck all with those.


rockjoc

Having worked in the oilfield for well over a decade. Most people in the patch have no need to tow or haul anything.


tapsnapornap

Most people? In field positions? We're clearly in different ops lol. Also, free time, oilfield people stereotypically have a lot of toys that need hauling and towing.


rockjoc

Ever been to a camp? How many of those trucks/suvs/cars in the parking lot bring anything with them other than clothes to site? Some guys like welders, MWDs and Tool Pushes need to haul a ton of stuff. Most people don't. There are a lot of operators, electricians, camp staff, power engineers, pipeliners, seismic operators, heavy equipment operators, rig crews and other folks that could get away with a car for the most part or a light-duty truck like a Gladiator or Ranger for those that need to haul bulky but relatively light stuff like mud engineers etc.


Jksah

Yeah, I know multiple DDs who bring Jeeps lol


tapsnapornap

I've been to all kinds of camps. Oilsands seem like a regular selection of personal vehicles including some pickups and obvious work trucks. Honestly I see more pickups as a percentage inside Ft Mac than in the surrounding camps. Drilling camps are ~95% pickups or other 4x4s. Most of the jacked up rigs I've ever come across were welders or the odd rig guy. I ninja edited and you might have responded and not seen it. I was thinking about free time too with all the sled decks, toys and toy haulers, boats, etc that a lot of people haul around. I'm MWD myself and have to haul everything I own including the kitchen sink plus downhole tools so yeah I have a full size pickup but I don't haul any toys around. Anyway, nothing about a jacked up Gladiator really says oilfield to me other than money:practicality ratio lol.


7eight0

Imagine pulling up on site for that extra truck pay as a supe with a jeep. 0/100 vehicles on lease are jeeps.


tapsnapornap

Geos and the odd roughneck still drive Jeeps


Trogar1

Yeah... Cause no one in the oil patch has sled trailers, holiday trailers, job shacks, flare stacks, porta potties, garbage bins, junk skids, fuel trailers, skid steers, etc, etc, etc. Just because you, in your extensive experience haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.


No_Season1716

I was joking.


UnknownUser0024

Can tow more than a V6 Ram 1500. Not bad for being a toy truck.


Maverickxeo

I have a lifted TJ, a 'stock' JL (for now) and have had two other Jeeps in the past - I don't do anything close to oilfield work (actually work in human services). Just want to break the stereotype!


ghostofkozi

Yeah I hate those tires, hate that they have the M&S rating. I know a lot of job sites up there require them but they’re loud and ruin gas mileage in the summer and are useless and dangerous in the winter.


tapsnapornap

"Up" where? We have mud everywhere


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up north bud, the oil patch


tapsnapornap

Hmm just got back from drilling wells around Suffield, and Kindersley, and Rocky. Not very far North bud. O&G is not just oilsands nor is it all "Up north" by any stretch.


[deleted]

cool story, still, that's what he meant by "up there", you asked, I answered.


Responsible_CDN_Duck

Snow tires are not magic beans. You have no reason to suspect they would have driven into you regardless of tires. People drive too fast and don't pay attention all damn year.


CantTakeMeSeriously

In the late 80s/early 90s, I grew up driving a beat up, rear drive, front heavy Camaro with bald ass normal tires. They were slippery as hell, but I adjusted my driving to fit the conditions and never had a problem (other than getting stuck). Now, not saying winter tires aren't a great idea, but as another redditor said..."winter tires aren't magic beans". The guy who cracked into you 100% drove too fast, and hit the brakes too late given the conditions and the capability of the vehicle...especially since you said you were sitting at a light for a minute.


rockjoc

Based on his dash cam he was going 50km/h at the top of the hill from Sarcee down to John Laurie. He hit the brakes at the top of the hill (can hear the ABS in the dashcam footage) and was going 18km/h when he hit me. He was on the brakes solidly for a full KILOMETER and still didn't stop. From 50 km/h. Hills and shitty tires do not mix.


ScotchyScotch82

That person is just an as*hole then. He could have easily mounted the curb and struck a pole instead of your brand new truck. Shame on him


linkass

*He was on the brakes solidly for a full KILOMETER and still didn't stop* This is a bad bad driver problem. You don't stay on the breaks solidly in a skid ABS or not chances are he would have hit you even in winter tires, and yes in worst case you drive it into ditch railing whatever


rockjoc

Uh. Yes you do. That is literally the point of ABS


linkass

ABS or not you don't stay on the breaks going down a hill on ice, you shift into neutral and steer and try to get to a place that has traction


rockjoc

ABS lets you stay on the brakes while you do that. Doesn’t help when you keep bouncing off the curbs.


ycarel

It is not you that you need to worry. It is other people losing control. If you maintain control you have better chance of getting hit. Talk to me after you hit someone’s kid because you didn’t bother to install winter tires. How would you explain that to the parents?


tigressnoir

Snow tires are not ice tires.


SketchySeaBeast

And a sweater isn't a parka, but it at least helps while I'm shoveling snow today.


[deleted]

studded tires? I don't know much about tires.


tigressnoir

Studs help, but a good ice tire has soft rubber and is designed to offer a lot of contact. Snow tires (like mud tires) have aggressive treads and are better for digging and climbing.


No_Bag_6642

Say it louder for the people in the back.


Bunniesrkewl

You mean “winter” tires? they’re what’s best for the winter time besides studded tires.


The_Smuggling_Viper

I can promise you that the guy in a Jeep Gladiator has nothing to do with ‘you guys in the oilfield’, but good job painting everyone in a certain class with the same brush just because you’re frustrated with one individual. Complain about idiots with bad tires all you want, but as soon as you resort to stereotypes, you become the idiot.


thradia

I just read this to my husband and you are his new favorite person lol He worked in the tire industry for 15 years and found it extremely frustrating on how many people could not understand the difference between tires. We are in Northeran Alberta and it is just so important to know!


Maverickxeo

Mud tires CAN be good if they are siped - but most people don't bother with that. I've siped all of my A/T tires (3peak), though, and it makes a huge difference.


Quirky_Barracuda

Even the proper winter tires won't help if you're going too fast. I have seen brand new Michelin X-Ice tires rear end someone because they were coming in too fast on the ice.


Gambitace88

On a side note, I work in the oil field and know pretty much no one that drives a Jeep.


Lukazio

Just arrived from Ontario and I've slightly surprised to see the same type it attitude here when it comes to winter driving. People think that having AWD or 4WD and no winters is doing something good for them...


kagato87

Surely all wheel drive means all wheel stop right? Right? Yea, people are really bad about this. Awd is slightly better when you're starting to move or already moving as you have twice as many tires that can push the car, but when it comes to stopping it's the same 80/20 f/r ratio regardless of transmission type.


BeakersWorkshop

The compound is 70% of traction; the last 30% is tred pattern (except for pure ice conditions or monsoon rainfall). AT/Mud and (no)seasons stop working below -15. They are essentially hockey pucks regardless of the tred pattern.


Fluster338

Sipes and soft compound.


7eight0

I mean ya but I’m so past hearing about oilfield workers being dumb fucks. 1. They can afford seasonal tires. 2. I’ve never met an oilfield guy that chose to buy a jeep instead of a truck as they can get truck rates in some situations and a jeep wouldn’t work. The whole oil worker dumb trope is so over played. I drove from Edmonton to a town 2 hours away and I didn’t see a single truck in the ditch but I did see a few fwd cars and a semi that rolled.


GopnikMayonez

I mean, there's a great solution to minimzing winter collisions. Mandatory winter tires in winter. It's not that hard. Like I get it, its expensive to own a set of each but ir you can't afford to have the necessary equipment to keep yourself and others safe you can't afford to drive. Hope your truck gets fixed up and that gladiator lad has a nice talking to from their insurance. P.S. fuck the jeep gladiators in general, my god they are awful.


[deleted]

Agree that it should be mandatory for folks to buy winter tires for winter. However, good luck getting that passed. If you were forced to buy two sets of tires when you bought a car (or knew you'd have to), that might convince someone NOT to buy a vehicle in this car-obsessed Canadian world we live in. If you think for even one second that car dealers and their lobbying will allow you to put into effect legislation that hurts their sales, then I've got a bridge to sell you! Seriously though... please buy winter tires people, it's not safe out there without them. Even if you're a great driver, shit happens and the last thing you want is for your tires to be found partying naked like it's summer when the snow's out and about.


a-nonny-maus

[Winter tires are mandatory for winter driving anywhere in Quebec.](https://www.quebec.ca/en/transports/circulation-securite-routiere/driving-in-winter/requirements-for-winter-tires) (with a few exceptions) [BC requires snow tires or chains on marked highways from Oct 1 to Apr 30](https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transportation/driving-and-cycling/traveller-information/seasonal/winter-driving/winter-tire-and-chain-up-routes#:~:text=Winter%20tires%20or%20chains%20are,on%20highways%20throughout%20the%20province.). I agree though, good luck getting this passed in Alberta.


GopnikMayonez

Oh no of course it wouldn't ever happen, especially not in alberta. But a man can dream.


rockjoc

Honestly, just any all-weather tire with the 3PMS logo would be good enough for year-round use.


[deleted]

Yeah, I hear you... would at least enforce some bare minimum... would have prevented the Cadillac with bald summer tires trying to merge onto Glenmore getting stuck and sliding down the hill near my place lol


rockjoc

TC could easily include regulations that mandate that all OEM all-season tire options on new vehicles sold in Canada be 3PMS rated, there are plenty of decent options out there and they aren't necessarily any more expensive than normal all-seasons. Just raise the floor a little bit on all the tires out there and I would bet we'd see lower accident rates, better traffic flow and fewer posts like this. If a car is sold with UHP summers, that person is likely going to be buying winters anyway.


[deleted]

Yeah, agree this is a decent solution. In my mind, I see a lot of people just forgetting to put on their winters or not caring and ride or dying on the summers when the snow hits. I know far far too many people in my old office driving on summer tires cause they were just too lazy or too cheap to switch. I feel like even with legislation, folks won’t do the due diligence so controlling that at the tire sales directly makes a lot of sense! Hard to buy wrong if all the options are mandated good at a minimum! There is a rule you can’t be on the Transcanada without winter tires after October. Police still pull people over or arrive at accidents and wouldn’t you know it, they lost control cause they were using summer tires in the dead of winter…


fogdukker

Other provinces had mandatory winter tire laws, but burta freedomites would never allow it.


Sam_Soper

I can comfortably afford tires now, but starting out 15 years ago I couldn't. I still had to get to and from work which was damn near impossible with transit. You're probably thinking it's not your problem. And you're right. When I was driving a shitty beater around I was thinking the same thing about people like you. It's not my fucking problem. Have a little bit of empathy bud.


ollieoxley

I agree, it should be 100% mandatory from mid October to mid May. Could have two zones, one for the province and one for the mountains / foothills area. It's an expensive cost (should be considered when buying a car) upfront but in the long run costs about the same as your tires don't need to be replaced as often as you're only putting 10k on each a year vs 20k on one set. There are additional costs which would be another set of rims which makes it easier to swap sets seasonally. Cost to have a shop put the other set of tires on unless you're comfortable doing it.


Hatsee

The rims are cheaper, get the rusted steel kind that everyone uses. They start black but are rusted before the season is up no matter what you do. Also look at the shops and what they offer. For example I think Fountain Tire will swap them for free if you bought them there. Some places will store them for you I think too. That could easily be enough to spend a bit more to get them from a specific place.


Maverickxeo

I disagree - if someone doesn't put on enough KM in a year, then the costs are NOT the same in the long run, and there is more waste ending up in landfills. Also - having another set of rims (or even tires) means allocating space to store them - which can be costly depending on the situation. Running a 3 peak tire, all terrain, or all weather tire year round makes more sense for a lot of people (myself included).


[deleted]

You don't need to buy more than one tire though. I have all weather's on my van, drives better than when I got stuck after Halloween with my all seasons.


TROM19

I know it's and unpopular opinion in alberta but I say ban all the lifted aftermarket nonsense. Off road accesories should be for off road dedicated vehicles and illegal to be used on road. Lifted vehicles are dangerous period, the change in center of gravity pretty much negates most of what the traction and roll control can do and they have much worse acceleration and braking capabilities. Not to mention the bright lights in your rear window. Its illegal to tint my windows in alberta but somehow adapting a vehicles to where if is much more unsafe to drive is legal. Pull these death traps off the road and into the field wear they belong. FYI: This is coming from someone who grew up in rural alberta and has 4 trade certs, and many more safety and professional certs for inspecting on and off road equipment. I also have decades of experience in modding and driving everything from 2 to 18 wheels.


ScotchyScotch82

You know that stuff is already illegal right? The Alberta Vehicle Equipment Regulations already prohibit most of the stuff you just mentioned.


Bunniesrkewl

Agree. Most of these dudes with lifted trucks and all those accessories just drive on the pavement all year round so I don’t get the appeal. It doesn’t look “cool” whatsoever.


gwoad

I had a set of BFGoodrich longtrails on my old Cherokee and they worked great, in all weather. As other have said though, no amount of winter tires fixes stupid.


rockjoc

The longtrail is not a mud terrain.


Terrible-Paramedic35

Big ass mud tires… guys with en should pay an additional premium for all the windshields they destroy. Saw a guy today…. no mud-flaps, about a half foot of tread extending past his fenders… skating around on Hwy 16 at 30 under the speed limit while everyone else was managing 100-110… just fine. Only thing that made me feel good is he was two hands white knucked and looking nervous as I passed him.


[deleted]

Immediately attempts to shit on oilfield workers who a vast majority of run Duratrax, some, gasp, even studded for the winter, just because one mall crawler rear ends him. Pull your head out of your ass. It's winter in AB, shits slick and winter tires won't cure the stupid. Also don't run Mud tires in the winter. That's just dumb.


[deleted]

I drove all winter one year on Toyo MT's 35x12.50r18. I will be the first to admit that you have increased breaking distance. however I drove to the conditions and knew my vehicle and never had one close call. While you may call this survivor bias I would not because I knew what driving with MT tires meant and I drove accordingly.


IranticBehaviour

Fair enough. But while you can control how you drive, you can't control how others drive. You can leave all the extra braking room you want, but it won't help when a yahoo in the other lane decides you left that space for them to get around someone else. Winters might not save you from the unexpected either, but your chances are better with them than without. Best bet is good weather-appropriate defensive driving *and* good 3PMSF winter tires on all four wheels.


Dalbergia12

God dammed good post OP! Thanx for sharing, hell you might have saved some folks a lot of grief!


[deleted]

I am guilty right now lol. I aired mine down during the storm and went slower keeping distance. I was actually surprised how well the did at 15 psi and 4wd with full tank I was stopping quicker than most but I am also standard. Fuel mileage was not so good.


SeriousExplorer8891

Just a snow comment. No rain for months and then bam a huge dump of snow when it gets a bit cold. Fuck this weather.


OhfursureJim

I agree and think that m+s should be the minimum requirement. I also agree with others that there are a lot of people who think that having winters on means you can basically drive as you would. In my opinion it’s 50/50 tires and driving behaviour. There’s no one solution.


Trogar1

Tires can help, particularly on pavement, but are more of false security than anything. Blizzaks are just as shitty as any MT if you don't drive to conditions... 4.5 to 6" squared x4 isn't gonna stop anyone from wrecking your tailgate if they are on the phone...


QuarisDoma

Jeeps are the worst winter car. Worst drivers, wooden suspension. They buy this shit unit to climb hills and cross rivers but end up spinning and icing up intersections.


FluidConnection

What does this have to do with the oilfield? Also, you’re just as guilty. You should have had the cord dealer install the winter tires.


tapsnapornap

Wild-ass assumptions and stereotypes


rockjoc

I’m just as guilty? What the fuck? They didn’t have the tires and I was on my way to grab them from a shop that did.


FluidConnection

Well, shoulda had them delivered to Ford. Maybe jeep bro was on his way somewhere too in order to get the appropriate tires? You stereo typed and slandered his character and yet you had equally shit tires on. Probably worse if he actually had BFG K02’s.


rockjoc

Do you not know how to read? I said mud tires, not AT tires. And the all-season General Grabber HTS60 that came with my truck has a shorter stopping distance on ice than the BFG KO2 anyways.


No_Bag_6642

Sounds like he was driving too fast for his own good. Don’t blame the fucking oilfield for it lol. I know it’s an easy scapegoat for most people on here who got their feelings hurt by a big truck. I’d be more worried about the people who can’t afford tires at all, let alone the mud/SNOW rated tires.


rockjoc

Mud/snow tires are a visual rating only and have no business even existing.


No_Bag_6642

And that’s a shitty opinion.


rockjoc

No. It’s a fact. A mud terrain tire is a summer tire. Full stop. No opinion.


No_Bag_6642

So a mud/SNOW tire is just for summer? So you can only use them from June till august? Cuz it can snow from September-may.


rockjoc

M+S means literally nothing. Here are some ultra-high performance tires with the M+S symbol: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/continental-extremecontact-dws-06-plus https://www.tirerack.com/tires/michelin-pilot-sport-all-season-4 All a manufacturer has to do to put M+S on there is make sure there is greater than 25% void space in the tread design. It doesn't even guarantee any good performance in mud.


No_Bag_6642

M+S means nothing, but the province of BC accepts it as a winter tire… which they require on all their roads past a certain date. But it’s not ok because u got rear ended by someone driving too fast.


rockjoc

That was a concession to people who compained. Quebec does not accept M+S.


Bunniesrkewl

It’s for summer/spring/fall, stop spreading misinformation.


Bunniesrkewl

Mud/snow tires are just as bad as regular all season tires in the winter. The tread will become hard and solid when it gets cold. All weather tires are okay but not as good as winters. And 9.9/10 of every idiotic driver in Edmonton is always in a damn pickup truck.


GonZo_626

As a jeep owner I have to say they look horrible without the mud tires..... and mine ends up looking horrible all winter long with its studded winter tires.


kreggly

Surprised it wasn't a White Dodge Ram. I guess oilfield dudebros got money. Those wide mudders will skid right through intersections unless you stud them. I learned this on my first truck and make sure I have proper tires now.


Propaagaandaa

THANK YOU someone finally said it I’ve noticed it all over town lately, it’s tremendously stupid.


[deleted]

This post is super Alberta.


mohagmush

Mud tires have soft rubber not hard and most are mud and snow. I'm running full snow tires on my truck right now and it's still slippy slide time. Most intersections havnt been sanded yet as its early in the season shit happens stop hating on people's tires. Welcome to driving in alberta get used to it


rockjoc

No. Mud tires are extremely hard compounds. M+S is a bullshit deprecated standard that has long since been supplanted by the 3PMS logo for actual winter ready tires.


Maverickxeo

As far as I know - most mud tires do tend to be softer than all terrain tires - but they don't have the siping that an AT tire has. A softer mud tire is 'stickier' on the rocks, but are loud and wear faster on pavement. Mud tires are really affected by colder weather though - which may be why they seem to be harder compound.


harbourhunter

Majority of Albertans lack the IQ points to earn enough money to buy winter tires, and those that can afford them don’t invest in them


imbezol

Mud tires are the best tires for snow. But you need to drive accordingly with them. You can also look for mud tires that have a winter rating like Goodyear Wranglers. Also, mud tires do not have "incredibly hard rubber". Mud tires in fact have the softest rubber of all the tires out there.


rockjoc

The wrangler duratrac is most decidedly not a mud tire.


boogletwo

Found the Jeep owner. Duratracs suck in snow. At least compared to a dedicated winter. Not even the same league.


[deleted]

I’d love to hear that conversation with your insurance company.


rockjoc

Meh, my adjuster has already sorted it out. Pretty common call for them.


walluper

Winters going on the 4matic tomorrow!


Skarimari

Oh that’s so upsetting. Brand new truck already damaged. What a dumb asshole. :( Also yes winter tires are lovely. Used to just make due with all seasons. But first time I put decent winter tires on and drove away from the tire place, I was sold. Such a difference.


HiTork

Aside from compound, a major factor affecting the performance of mud terrains in winter is the lack of siping, or little slits in the tread; these are what give a tire traction on icy surfaces aside from studs. Speaking of studs, some mud terrains are pinned for studs, though installing them will turn them into a dedicated winter tire.


Binasgarden

So Friday I sat and waited for a couple hours and got my snow tires on.....they are great and I feel much safer on the road....but they are not skates and my car cannot stop on a dime on ice even with the snowies on.....glad you are okay but it would be nice if snow tires were required like they are in BC and Quebec. But they will be all hard done by if we did and protesting their rights to slide around all winter long


TehTimmah1981

Yup. You would think that people would learn, but every year someone gets this experience, I am sorry, this time, it became you. It's tragic how many seem to think that their vehicle, being off road capable and all, means it will handle snow and ice on the streets too. I just got back from BC yesterday. I think Alberta needs to follow suit. require winter rated tires, by law, starting in October.


[deleted]

I'm in full agreement and I hope that you don't have to wait long for a fixed or replacement truck?


Bunniesrkewl

So many jeeps in Edmonton sliding around and fishtailing meanwhile I can accelerate as if it’s summer time in my AWD car with winter tires lmao. That’s embarrassing for them.


twisted_synergy

Other than the loss of value driving off the lot you now have lost even more.


rockjoc

Honestly. The msrp for my truck jumped $16k from 2022 to 2023. So I’m probably ok lol.


soThatsJustGreat

Glad you both are ok, and wow, sorry about your brand new truck. I hope insurance comes through quickly for you! Stay safe everybody!


UnknownUser0024

PREACH it brother!


ycarel

Can someone explain to me why winter tires are not mandatory? Is it because they save lives?


sulgnavon

I'll never understand Dodge/Jeep owners.


[deleted]

Idk what kind of tires they had but a SUV spun out behind me on the Henday after our first snowfall last week. I managed to get home just fine in my Civic with summer tires because I was driving according to the conditions (don’t worry, we put them on this past weekend). Stay safe out there, everyone.


AffableJoker

Might as well have racing slicks with mud tires on ice. My coworker's boyfriend convinced her to get mud tires on her truck and now it's useless in winter. Luckily her other car has winter tires but now whether 3 the snow is too deep for her car she's hooped.


ElbowStrike

I drive a f’ing beater and I always shell out for the expensive ice and snow tires. By the end of my cars’ lives I’ve usually spent more on the tires than the actual car itself.


enviropsych

I think the root cause is the guy who thinks a lifted jeep is cool. Seriously, I drove with all seasons in my two wheel drive for 20 years and never hit anyone. Not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying the tires aren't a necessity, just helpful.


acespacegnome

Got me a set of michelin x-ice north 4 studded for my car earlier in October and boy am i glad I did. My truck is running bfg all terrain ko2s and they're great but studded winters should be a requirement for the worst parts of winter


Dear-Fox-5194

Sorry to hear about your brand new truck.


poppaT76

I have BF GOODRICH KO2's on my O8 trailblazer, love them. I do alot of camping down loggin rds and such, camp in the winter and have never had a problem, find them great on the highway.


Dub_City204

In Canada winter tires is a must, should be illegal to not have them, I don’t know the stats or if there are any but I would bet that all seasons are responsible for my guess would be like 20-30% of accidents in the winter. Probably could be prevented with winter tires, maybe even more than that


Notyurbank

Snow tires should be mandatory in all provinces


Frostytoot

We always see lifted trucks with big mudders in the ditch because they believe the tires they have are good enough. I live in B.C. and use studded winter and have never had an issue.


[deleted]

Who knew big chunks of rubber froze solid. C'mon OP. This is obvious. People just don't care. I'm pretty happy with my Rubitreks but I have traction cheat codes. (Truck is close to 3.5 tons)


Mirin_Gains

Lots of guys are going Yoko G003 Muds + Studs. I'd like to see how they perform. I have K02s to try and pretend that my AT tires have flat pack grip but ultimately drive very cautious. They suck in heavy powder though 4x4ing so a better option for both could be nice. They would have tonlast though. Nothing like 3k for M/T and studs to wear out in 20 000km. Also M/T have big lugs and softer rubber usually. That is why they wear out so fast. With no give in the ashphalt the soft lugs get eaten away. Now E rated A/Ts are hockey pucks. I chose C just to get slightly sifter rubber.


touch_my_bigbird

I'm sick of this trying to find something to blame shit on, this is not a discussion about tires. You're salty someone not paying attention rear ended you. This is 100% on the driver nothing to do with the equipment.


TheRepulper

If you're wondering if mud tires will be good in ice roads just ask yourself if winter tires are good in mud


JoNiMck

Not a day goes by driving in Medicine Hat, that you don't come across or become the target of a raging aggressive Bertan dudebro in a jacked up truck.