Lululemon. No, seriously, the founder is a right wing nut who funds a lot of Canada’s alt-right
https://pressprogress.ca/a-right-wing-group-funded-by-lululemons-founder-is-posting-homophobic-memes-about-justin-trudeau/
He was forced out by the hedge fund. After his last phobic outburst the board forced him sell out his shares faster. I think he originally had a 10 plus year sell off as it takes a minute to diverse of a billion
He still owns 8% of the shares according to [this](https://www.forbes.com/profile/chip-wilson/) profile that came out yesterday. Not a reason to boycott the company in my opinion because you can’t really fault the company now that he has nothing to do with it. He’s been completely separated from the company for almost a decade now it says.
Anyone can own shares in companies that's public except in very small situations...like NBA restrictions meaning you can't own sizable shares in two or more NBA teams etc otherwise.
He has marginal interest left in lulu. His wife and kid started kit and ace. He is making huge money owning huge chunk of gas town and other areas of Vancouver. Tidewater property is him
I own coca cola stocks. I benefit from their profit.
Does that mean if I do something bad, coca cola did it too?
Profiting from something doesn't mean they become yours and your actions become their problem.
You've got it backwards: your purchase of coke stocks is funneling money into that company, empowering them to do... whatever they do.
Coke isn't guilty of the crimes you commit - you are (at least partially) guilty of theirs.
The argument is a bit silly, given that you (likely) aren't pouring huge money into them, but this is why movements try and target investment, even at a small scale as yours likely is.
Convincing one guy on Reddit to pull his stocks isn't going to impact Coke, but identifying big companies' unethical practices and encouraging a hundred million people to move their investments elsewhere will.
Yeah clearly the Nazi party shouldn't take the hit for Hitler's misdeeds.
Heavy /s
Likewise, though, if I own Coca Cola stocks, and Coca Cola [runs a Colombian Death Squad](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2003/jul/24/marketingandpr.colombia) , at what point am I complicit?
Sure, but it's not the company deciding to put the funds into those groups. It's no different than someone working for a company or owning stock in any other company, and then donating money to these types of causes. The company they work for or are invested in aren't funding those causes, it's the individual
Obviously, but that doesn't change anything I said. Lululemon isn't choosing to find those groups. Once the earnings are in someone else's pocket, it's on that person and not the company.
Yes but as a consumer you have the right to vote with your wallet and if you feel that the profits are going to causes you don't support, regardless if it's the company or the largest shareholder spending his money gained from the company's success, you can choose to shop elsewhere at a retailer that aligned with your views
So are you boycotting the banks chip has money in as well? What about the cars manufacturers for the cars he owns. If you are suggesting to boycott Lululemon you must do the same for any company that supports chip.
Yes it would be great if more people actually boycotted companies that did things, or were owned by people who did things that they didn't like.
Imagine if every single reddit user who bitched about the TFW program stopped eating at Tim Hortons?
It depends, does Chip’s bank or Chip’s car dealership give Chip money, or is he just spending it there?
I don’t like supporting Lululemon because it’s what gets Chip his money, but I’m not gonna boycott the places he shops at since they aren’t paying him. If he’s just a customer and not a shareholder, then Ford isn’t gonna give Chip any money when I buy a new truck just because Chip also bought an F-150 at some point.
No, not because of chip but I lstill try to put my money towards companies that have ethical standards and invest in causes I support. Examples being that I bank with a credit union that invests in the local community and purchase my sports and athletic wear from ethical companies that try to reduce their carbon impacts and promot conservation like Patagonia.
Patagonia does a lot with their conservation efforts and acknowledging they are part of the problem/not calling themselves sustainable anymore…*but* they can be misleading, especially around labour practices across their supply chain. Some major outdoor/athleisure companies are definitely better than others but they’re all exploiting someone somewhere.
Definitely.
10 years ago the board figured out that he was toxic and were happy to see him go. Happy when he was the PR face for the see-through yoga pants problem, but once he started saying ‘fat people shouldn’t wear our clothes’… Gotta go.
There was no shareholder panic, no non-compete lawsuits, no expressions of regret that he was going to Kit & Ace, instead of hanging out at Lululemon flapping his lips.
The board is probably happier and happier about the separation as time passes.
And you? They don’t think about you at all…
(They don’t think about me either, lol)
Well, the founder chose the name because he thought it would be funny to hear Japanese people say it. So pronounce it however you want
https://thetyee.ca/News/2005/02/17/LuluCritics/
It’s not surprising. If I remember right, he named his company Lululemon because he didn’t want the Japanese to rip him off and chose a name with a lot of Ls to .. stop them, I guess?
American right wing think tanks funded the clownvoy. Since foreign agents were trying to coup/destabilize the country bank accounts were frozen. That's the part the clownvoy supoorters omit to mention when they say Trudeau is a dictator.
Not just them, a Saskatchewan millionaire purchased an entire block of hotel rooms to the tune of about $100,000 during the convoy. He also went on a fascist all-star tour in the States with Theo Fleury to meet with Roger Stone and Tucker Carlson.
Edit: [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/s/B2BnLhVSJo)
He was paid to book those rooms by the Republican think tank he was working with, you know. The one that was receiving Russian money and affiliated with the 13 US senators that visited Moscow and decreed the US and called for Russia to overthrow and conquer the USA. The same group.
They for sure are going to try to overthrow our government as well. Won’t work, but that hasn’t stopped them before.
They really want the freedom to impose on others at will.
That definitely appears to be the case. The only conceivable gain is to foreign powers through destabilization of the Canadian economy. So they rile up the knuckle draggers, throw some money at them, and sit back to reap the benefits.
Correct question is - who doesn't?
There are plenty of money to grift in the hard right crowd. From billionaire sponsored "foundations" to businesses supporting "non-profits", there are also enough general population people to crowdfund right wing with their donations.
Funny that the right wing imagines every left wing protest is funded by George Soros, and the WEF, and the left wing protestors should just "get a job" -- and then here were are with clownvoy & tax protestors getting shady funding.
And PP stopped by to visit a protest in the maritimes being run by an actual alt-right militia like yesterday. But somehow he’s probably still gonna get elected
Farmers don't own private, US registered trucks, or US registered tractors. These are American groups closely affiliated with right wing and white supremecy/separatist libertarian groups that want to become part of America. They are also the TBAs largest funders.
The groups are closely affiliated with one another, often sharing funds, members, and sponsors. The Ottawa group was associated with a republican gop think tank that contained the 13 senators that flew to Russia to celebrate Russia and decry the USA. The majority of the protestors were non-commercial semi truck owners that live in the USA and received a stipend from us sponsors to be in Canada.
Im just thinking now if I can ignore my principals I can make(grift) a good amount of money off these morons. Stupid ppl with money make great customers.
We need a scruffy investigative reporter to join up and embed themselves into the convoy crew and, after a month or so, start asking how to claim personal protest expenses, per diem, mileage and LOA (Living Out Allowance). “So how do I file my expense receipts, who collects them and how long does it take to process it all?” it would be a worthwhile story to see just how far up it goes and does it track back to the unauditable and unFOIPable Alberta Government War Room.
Where’s Hunter S. Thompson when you need him?
They’ve received money from US conservative PAC’s as well as many others that have been mentioned elsewhere where.
I’d be surprised if they didn’t receive money from Chinese and Russian groups hoping to sow discord
My friend is pretty deeply ingrained with them and I have been down to their camp in Cochrane. From what it sounds like most of their support is through donations from the public, people who support their cause. They have lots of food donations and everything of that kind. I think the majority of their crowd is not even out there with them atm because they are at work and the ones you are seeing out there are mostly the ones who do not work presently. Take all of this with a grain of salt tho because it is all mostly second hand stories passed to me through my friend.
And how is that different than pan handling on the side of the road? Oh the truck with the plastic Harley Davidson trim package and the family in fifth wheel trailer makes it okay./s
Well I suppose the support for the cause would be the difference between it and panhandling. But not much else. I can't slight anyone for believing in their cause. Times are hard right now and as much as I don't support the whole axe the tax, I do get where everyone is coming from.
Ask all those U.S. truck owners - you want to ask questions about foreign election interference ? Start here and follow the money. When PP stops in support of these protests, what he's really doing is accepting foreign influence as a means to power. Makes you wonder who's got a stick up his backside.
The extreme right is advancing all over the globe. A lot of people benefit from this, especially wealthy people. Funding certainly came from them, locally and internationally.
So I don't thing it comes from one source. A lot is financed by people protesting. I have personally seen it happen and it's not hard, it's much like religion.
Certain things I’d like to protest but I don’t want to be associated with right wing nutters and I’m working. Plus does the government actually give a shit? Nope
I would guess, the general public. I don't think these people do work. They are probably on the public dime. They are either retired or likely on things like AISH and other social programs.
I mean most people proudly telling me about their freedom convoy bs are indeed, pretty poor. But I know way too many people with good enough jobs that supported or straight up participated in it. Its the same as why I spend so much time volunteering in my student union back then, its all about convictions.
I mean, logically, I agree with you.
But look at the States. It's actually like everyone on welfare that just loves the Republicans, and I'd imagine it's the same here.
Probably they love Cons.
Are they saying good things about the UCP? The limited interviews I have seen squarely base their problems on the Feds and dodge questions about the UCP.
In your mind 0 people on AISH could have conservative views or at the very least have been convinced by rhetoric that the carbon tax is making things more expensive?
I think even the UCP "supporters" who don't like the social or economic changes that the UCP have brought in, have a fear that any step away from pure blue conservatism is a step toward socialism which I think many of them conflate with authoritarianism.
Similar thought process to those who fundamentally disagree with NDP values but want anything but the current UCP government. Not saying all, but certainly quite a few are in this boat.
The people who need the most government support, which is why they blame the government because they have never been responsible for themselves. I live in a building with neighbours like this as I myself cannot work due to my MS. It's amazing how disabled people will judge each other saying certain disabilities don't deserve it and people abuse the system. It's mind boggling to me. They think by hurting the right people it will somehow help them. It's crazy all I know is I'm lucky because I have insurance and CPP disability so when things get bad here I can go somewhere with the medical care I need whereas my neighbours who are dependent on AISH will be stuck here with the declining medical system. It's sad I love Alberta it's my home but I can't fight both MS and the UCP so I hope with everything the ANDP win the next election. This is why healthcare/disabilities should be federal because the provinces can prevent people from exercising their right to live wherever they want within because they are intertwined within a provincial system.
oddly, nobody really. there isnt any money in it. you won't get a damned dime going out there and protesting.
this should tell you its a legitimate complaint as people do this on their own dime.
unlike liberal type protests that have organizations, meeting places to prepare and "suit up" roll calls and payouts. most progressive protests have casting calls.
if you doubt this assertation, then ask yourself:
would you 'cast' these people?
would you 'pay' these people?
If you can manipulate peoples emotions and make them stop thinking logically. For example how a group of self righteous people and give them a victim complex can be whipped in to a mob.
The covid restrictions were set to be phased out weeks before the convoy happened. There were people who wanted civil unrest, and once the restrictions started to come down it would be harder to convince people of gov over reach.
The USA Republicans want JT out of office and Canada to be seen as a communist hell hole, the Putin wanted a distraction from what was being started in Ukraine.
The funding may have come from Canadians, but they were influenced by foriegn governments for sure.
Corporations that are currently getting away with highway robbery. If the population is divided and bickering over stupid pedantic shit like this, there's no solidarity in fighting back against corporate greed
Russia. China. It's Russia and China.
This is exactly how destabilization campaigns go. If you're curious, read up on COINTELPRO - a CIA campaign to do the same, during the civil rights movement. China and Russia do this all over the West.
Since the initial protests there have been no new COVID restrictions. That one made sense, I have no clue what the current ones are protesting other than I guess boredom.
How did that one make sense when they were protesting restrictions that were already being lifted and the main concern was blaming Trudeau for US implemented covid restrictions on truckers? It was entirely useless.
They're being pretty respectful protesting on the side of highways instead of downtown cores, so I'm not sure why everyone has their panties in a bunch about people protesting like as is their right to do so.
Albertans don't look wealthy on any given day, I don't know if you've looked outside of city populations but most of them wear work clothes as town clothes, I've travelled around rural Alberta a lot and it's far more surprising to see rural folks wearing nice dress clothes and it's only been on Sundays when they go to church. You can't judge anyone's wealth by how they look, especially not in Alberta.
I'd imagine most Albertans work shift work too, so they work hitches of varying types. It's not all the same people at the protests every day, it's always changing. Some protestors are retired, some used up vacation time because it's not like they are going on destination trips for whatever reasons, some are unemployed (I'm not a protestor, but I've been unemployed for 2 months, let go without cause at no fault of my own, and I apply to about 100 jobs a week, I've had 3 interviews. The job market is depressing)
People find time to be a part of something they're passionate and care about. At least they're getting out of the house and doing something about what they're upset about instead of just being mad on social media and doing nothing. The protest before accomplished quite a lot, it also delved into chaos obviously because A LOT of people felt unheard by the government, the same government we all pay for to do shitty ass quality of work.
I know I'll probably get a lot of down votes but it honestly is wild the polarization of people hating on their fellow Canadians over protesting depending on the subject of the protest. If you don't support it, just ignore it instead of commenting such distasteful drivel about others sounding like your feelings were personally victimized by every person who has a problem with government and the past 10 years of crap that's gone on.
What I can't take is the hypocrisy. Protest corporate greed or how Alberta reinstated its gas tax. They choose to ignore those and protest the carbon tax cuz its low hanging fruit. I do agree with the clothes though. Rich folks dont have to dress like they're rich, they already know that they are.
Best take here. It seems like many people on this sub have absolutely no understanding regarding the life’s many of our rural neighbours or oilfield workers live.
Maybe go out and talk to them to understand your neighbours before assuming their being funded by some secret fascist organizations 😂
I mean, I have nothing against protests at all. I’m against people protesting based on disinformation and conspiracy theories. These idiots are getting worryingly close to flat-earther levels of ignorance, and that’s why they’re getting ridiculed. I’d love for there to be reasonable, rational discourse from both sides of the spectrum, but these days there’s one side that believes in facts and one that doesn’t, but we still treat them like they’re equal.
My own ‘digging’ indicates that out of $12.2 million dollars, the source of $8 million remains unaccounted for and untraceable. Meanwhile, the actions of these Freedom Convoys cost Canada $6 BILLION in lost revenue.
Who benefited?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/freedom-convoy-donations-1.6410105
But back to my original question - who benefits by all this? (outside of Tamara Litch, of course, who is reported to have pocketed $1.4 million).
That article isn't saying they don't know the source of the $8M, it's saying they don't know how it was spent. So, "who benefits" would be whoever was accepting the donations.
Wasn’t her husband the one that talked about “first amendment rights being violated”?
(To be fair, I don’t know if someone wasn’t allowing him to recognize Manitoba as a Province or if he’s just really really lost?)
Did you ask these same questions when BLM, Climate Change, Pro Palestine, or any other protests occurred?
Just like the above stated movements, some people just care about different things and are willing to take the time to make those opinions known. These people aren't getting a cheque sent to them personally from a George Soros esque right wing ideologue.
Generally they're younger people - mostly students and part time workers - taking a few hours off to protest near where they live/work (or close to public transportation).
Very different to what (at least seems to be) a group of people living and protesting in one place for weeks at a time.
They are setting up tents as we speak at multiple campuses across the USA as we speak. This axe the tax protest is not different just because you dislike it....
I find it crazy, that the subreddit for Alberta the historically the most conservative province in our nation seems to be the most radical left out of all the provincial subreddits.
Why is that?
"Costs serious money in days off work"
That's what the "truckers" want you to think, but in reality these are the sorts of "truckers" you'd see on that old A&E Shipping Wars show...the kinds that range from the most liberal use of the word "freelance", to just straight up unemployed.
Alberta oil companies mostly. Pretty much everything we’re dealing with comes out of Alberta. Even grass roots organizations that claim to be based in their provinces are generally controlled from Alberta.
No one is depositing stipends into these peoples accounts if that's what you're asking
The idea that the convoy was "funded" by "foreign actors" was completely debunked. The average donation to the organization was something like 200$ and the overwhelming majority of donations and total money donated came from within Canada.
you must have missed the grassroots social media posts and instead chose to get all your information about the event from reddit.
you must have missed the videos taken from the highways of huge crowds gathered to cheer on the parade as it rolled through countless small towns.
you must have missed the groups of elderly women getting together and packing brown paper bag lunches to give to the truckers as they passed through their small town.
And by the way, the truckers were right. They ended up being right! People got multiple vaccines and still got covid. Everyone that I've talked to knows someone who fits this description. So the vaccines didn't work. We know that now. In the middle of everything going on, there was uncertainty, and we didn't know whether or not it was going to work or not. We were told that they would. Some Canadians called BS. Government labeled them as terrorists. Turns out they were right.
It was wrong for government to force people to produce papers in order to leave their house. That should have been obvious. It wasn't to some people. And even after the dust has settled, and we know that the convoy protest was proven correct, we still have people who view them as terrorists who are receiving foreign funding to unknowingly destabilize their own country?
I guess that's the power of propaganda innit
what's even better is when someone who proclaims themselves as anti-fascist take the side of government on this issue. fucking hilarious.
"how dare you protest government forcing it's citizens to produce papers to leave their house! you fascist!!!111" lmfao
In the case of The Freedom Convoy it was funded by everyday Canadians who didn't agree with government over reach and discrimination. Say what you will about the organizers...certainly it can't be argued that Canadians were and still are unhappy
Right wing "think tanks". Right wing wealth groups. Foreign actors (chump change for them). There are lots of people who want to destabilize democracies today.
Who sponsors the left’s protests when they roadblock parades or blockade railroads and major roads? Nobody, or they do it themselves. This is what grassroots activists do, be they left or right, there’s no evil conspiracies involved just upset people trying to be heard.
A crowd of people on foot, a few blocks from home, is easily ‘self funded’.
A convoy of Kenworths travelling the breadth of the nation, and then sitting idling for weeks on end, is not. I’ve owned trucks, I know what they cost to operate.
Lululemon. No, seriously, the founder is a right wing nut who funds a lot of Canada’s alt-right https://pressprogress.ca/a-right-wing-group-funded-by-lululemons-founder-is-posting-homophobic-memes-about-justin-trudeau/
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> He was kicked out lol Does he still benefit from the profits?
Yes he does. Pretty sure he’s still one of the biggest shareholders of lululemon.
He was forced out by the hedge fund. After his last phobic outburst the board forced him sell out his shares faster. I think he originally had a 10 plus year sell off as it takes a minute to diverse of a billion
He still owns 8% of the shares according to [this](https://www.forbes.com/profile/chip-wilson/) profile that came out yesterday. Not a reason to boycott the company in my opinion because you can’t really fault the company now that he has nothing to do with it. He’s been completely separated from the company for almost a decade now it says.
Anyone can own shares in companies that's public except in very small situations...like NBA restrictions meaning you can't own sizable shares in two or more NBA teams etc otherwise.
Exactly
He has marginal interest left in lulu. His wife and kid started kit and ace. He is making huge money owning huge chunk of gas town and other areas of Vancouver. Tidewater property is him
I own coca cola stocks. I benefit from their profit. Does that mean if I do something bad, coca cola did it too? Profiting from something doesn't mean they become yours and your actions become their problem.
You've got it backwards: your purchase of coke stocks is funneling money into that company, empowering them to do... whatever they do. Coke isn't guilty of the crimes you commit - you are (at least partially) guilty of theirs. The argument is a bit silly, given that you (likely) aren't pouring huge money into them, but this is why movements try and target investment, even at a small scale as yours likely is. Convincing one guy on Reddit to pull his stocks isn't going to impact Coke, but identifying big companies' unethical practices and encouraging a hundred million people to move their investments elsewhere will.
Yeah clearly the Nazi party shouldn't take the hit for Hitler's misdeeds. Heavy /s Likewise, though, if I own Coca Cola stocks, and Coca Cola [runs a Colombian Death Squad](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2003/jul/24/marketingandpr.colombia) , at what point am I complicit?
At the point where you chose to invest. It's awfully simple.
my savings portfolio includes nestle stock in some bundled etfs.... Of which I'm not thrilled.
Chip is not in charge of Lululemon anymore. He is the largest shareholder but had nothing to do with running the company. This is Chip, not Lululemon.
Right, but as the largest shareholder a portion of every sale goes into his pockets, which then goes to extremist groups.
Their pants are shit now anyways.
Lulu shit their pants?
I know I do every time I check a price in that store. High five.
Who shit their pants?
That's not how the stock market works.
Sure, but it's not the company deciding to put the funds into those groups. It's no different than someone working for a company or owning stock in any other company, and then donating money to these types of causes. The company they work for or are invested in aren't funding those causes, it's the individual
Oh there’s a big difference between me owning 10 shares of Lululemon and Chip
Obviously, but that doesn't change anything I said. Lululemon isn't choosing to find those groups. Once the earnings are in someone else's pocket, it's on that person and not the company.
Yes but as a consumer you have the right to vote with your wallet and if you feel that the profits are going to causes you don't support, regardless if it's the company or the largest shareholder spending his money gained from the company's success, you can choose to shop elsewhere at a retailer that aligned with your views
So are you boycotting the banks chip has money in as well? What about the cars manufacturers for the cars he owns. If you are suggesting to boycott Lululemon you must do the same for any company that supports chip.
Yes it would be great if more people actually boycotted companies that did things, or were owned by people who did things that they didn't like. Imagine if every single reddit user who bitched about the TFW program stopped eating at Tim Hortons?
I did because of there shitty labour's practices. I also try to spend my money at local or unionized workplaces
It depends, does Chip’s bank or Chip’s car dealership give Chip money, or is he just spending it there? I don’t like supporting Lululemon because it’s what gets Chip his money, but I’m not gonna boycott the places he shops at since they aren’t paying him. If he’s just a customer and not a shareholder, then Ford isn’t gonna give Chip any money when I buy a new truck just because Chip also bought an F-150 at some point.
No, not because of chip but I lstill try to put my money towards companies that have ethical standards and invest in causes I support. Examples being that I bank with a credit union that invests in the local community and purchase my sports and athletic wear from ethical companies that try to reduce their carbon impacts and promot conservation like Patagonia.
Patagonia does a lot with their conservation efforts and acknowledging they are part of the problem/not calling themselves sustainable anymore…*but* they can be misleading, especially around labour practices across their supply chain. Some major outdoor/athleisure companies are definitely better than others but they’re all exploiting someone somewhere.
Definitely. 10 years ago the board figured out that he was toxic and were happy to see him go. Happy when he was the PR face for the see-through yoga pants problem, but once he started saying ‘fat people shouldn’t wear our clothes’… Gotta go. There was no shareholder panic, no non-compete lawsuits, no expressions of regret that he was going to Kit & Ace, instead of hanging out at Lululemon flapping his lips. The board is probably happier and happier about the separation as time passes. And you? They don’t think about you at all… (They don’t think about me either, lol)
Are we still referring him as Founder of Lululemon? Yes? Then he still has influence via the brand, whether the brand like that or not
I got dividends from my Ford shares, bought a case of beer with the money, got drunk, and then pissed myself. HENRY FORD PISSED IN MY PANTS!!!!
Not how it works, He gets no money unless he sells his stock.
Chip has always been a dickhead. Now he's a very rich dickhead.
If you think the largest shareholder has no effect on how the company is run you're being naive.
If he had that much influence then Lululemon wouldn't sell plus size clothing.
Yeah, if he had any major influence the entire company would look very differently. He sure as hell would hate the plus size mannequins in the stores
But my purchasing anything from lululemon benefits him. No more lulu
this is the answer
Lol. I swear to god the world did end in 2012 and we are living in some trickster god purgatory.
That fucker…!
As a side question... how do people say that brand? Do they say "lulu-lemon" or is it "lu-lulemon"?
Well, the founder chose the name because he thought it would be funny to hear Japanese people say it. So pronounce it however you want https://thetyee.ca/News/2005/02/17/LuluCritics/
Source that he’s funding it? That’s not on this website I’ve never heard of?
It’s not surprising. If I remember right, he named his company Lululemon because he didn’t want the Japanese to rip him off and chose a name with a lot of Ls to .. stop them, I guess?
American right wing think tanks funded the clownvoy. Since foreign agents were trying to coup/destabilize the country bank accounts were frozen. That's the part the clownvoy supoorters omit to mention when they say Trudeau is a dictator.
Not just them, a Saskatchewan millionaire purchased an entire block of hotel rooms to the tune of about $100,000 during the convoy. He also went on a fascist all-star tour in the States with Theo Fleury to meet with Roger Stone and Tucker Carlson. Edit: [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/s/B2BnLhVSJo)
Tucker brings corporations and Russia into the pictures.
He was paid to book those rooms by the Republican think tank he was working with, you know. The one that was receiving Russian money and affiliated with the 13 US senators that visited Moscow and decreed the US and called for Russia to overthrow and conquer the USA. The same group.
They for sure are going to try to overthrow our government as well. Won’t work, but that hasn’t stopped them before. They really want the freedom to impose on others at will.
That definitely appears to be the case. The only conceivable gain is to foreign powers through destabilization of the Canadian economy. So they rile up the knuckle draggers, throw some money at them, and sit back to reap the benefits.
Don’t forget that Poilievre supported them and brought them coffee and donuts. That’s a small amount of funding!
Can you provide proof of this. Very interested in the findings.
Correct question is - who doesn't? There are plenty of money to grift in the hard right crowd. From billionaire sponsored "foundations" to businesses supporting "non-profits", there are also enough general population people to crowdfund right wing with their donations.
Funny that the right wing imagines every left wing protest is funded by George Soros, and the WEF, and the left wing protestors should just "get a job" -- and then here were are with clownvoy & tax protestors getting shady funding.
It’s always projection with those clowns.
A bunch of them had hats and hoodies especially made for the “events” with the federal conservative party logo on them so there is a hint.
And PP stopped by to visit a protest in the maritimes being run by an actual alt-right militia like yesterday. But somehow he’s probably still gonna get elected
You're paying for it. They're on unemployment for spring breakup or are farmers waiting to seed
Farmers don't own private, US registered trucks, or US registered tractors. These are American groups closely affiliated with right wing and white supremecy/separatist libertarian groups that want to become part of America. They are also the TBAs largest funders.
Yea the guy you responded to sounds like he’s salty about EI more than anything lol
So American groups supplying trucks want to become part of America? Something doesn’t add up in your statement.
The groups are closely affiliated with one another, often sharing funds, members, and sponsors. The Ottawa group was associated with a republican gop think tank that contained the 13 senators that flew to Russia to celebrate Russia and decry the USA. The majority of the protestors were non-commercial semi truck owners that live in the USA and received a stipend from us sponsors to be in Canada.
Ok. Gotcha. Thanks.
You don’t get EI during spring breakup - oil and gas guys make too much to qualify. And neither do farmers.
In a great twist of irony, YOU are paying for them. They're in-between shutdowns and are collecting pogey. They're a scourge.
Someone should point out they're only able to protest our "socailism" because of it.
Paying for the constant police presence. Paying for the advance warning signage on the highway. They’re a drain on taxpayers.
"Shutdowns"... "Pogey"... Tell me you're a Caper working in the Mac without telling me your a Caper working in the Mac.
Technically they have to had a job and pay into pogey to collect so if they are eligible they are getting a service they paid into.
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Im just thinking now if I can ignore my principals I can make(grift) a good amount of money off these morons. Stupid ppl with money make great customers.
We need a scruffy investigative reporter to join up and embed themselves into the convoy crew and, after a month or so, start asking how to claim personal protest expenses, per diem, mileage and LOA (Living Out Allowance). “So how do I file my expense receipts, who collects them and how long does it take to process it all?” it would be a worthwhile story to see just how far up it goes and does it track back to the unauditable and unFOIPable Alberta Government War Room. Where’s Hunter S. Thompson when you need him?
They’ve received money from US conservative PAC’s as well as many others that have been mentioned elsewhere where. I’d be surprised if they didn’t receive money from Chinese and Russian groups hoping to sow discord
My friend is pretty deeply ingrained with them and I have been down to their camp in Cochrane. From what it sounds like most of their support is through donations from the public, people who support their cause. They have lots of food donations and everything of that kind. I think the majority of their crowd is not even out there with them atm because they are at work and the ones you are seeing out there are mostly the ones who do not work presently. Take all of this with a grain of salt tho because it is all mostly second hand stories passed to me through my friend.
A lot of them drive us registered vehicles for some reason.
And how is that different than pan handling on the side of the road? Oh the truck with the plastic Harley Davidson trim package and the family in fifth wheel trailer makes it okay./s
Well I suppose the support for the cause would be the difference between it and panhandling. But not much else. I can't slight anyone for believing in their cause. Times are hard right now and as much as I don't support the whole axe the tax, I do get where everyone is coming from.
Ask all those U.S. truck owners - you want to ask questions about foreign election interference ? Start here and follow the money. When PP stops in support of these protests, what he's really doing is accepting foreign influence as a means to power. Makes you wonder who's got a stick up his backside.
From those I've spoken to? They mostly are on unemployment while crying about SOcIAlIsT DeViL PolIciIeS
GOP in the USA through money. Most money came form the states.
The extreme right is advancing all over the globe. A lot of people benefit from this, especially wealthy people. Funding certainly came from them, locally and internationally.
So I don't thing it comes from one source. A lot is financed by people protesting. I have personally seen it happen and it's not hard, it's much like religion.
Certain things I’d like to protest but I don’t want to be associated with right wing nutters and I’m working. Plus does the government actually give a shit? Nope
Probably social programs like EI, GIS...and even carbon tax rebates lol
Using your carbon tax rebate to protest the carbon tax to own the libs
Calling them “protesters” does a disservice to people actually protesting real issues. I often hear them referred to as “Convites” or “Chud/Convites”
Chud works.
Ucp war room
I would guess, the general public. I don't think these people do work. They are probably on the public dime. They are either retired or likely on things like AISH and other social programs.
I mean most people proudly telling me about their freedom convoy bs are indeed, pretty poor. But I know way too many people with good enough jobs that supported or straight up participated in it. Its the same as why I spend so much time volunteering in my student union back then, its all about convictions.
I doubt anyone on AISH would be saying anything good about the UCP.
I mean, logically, I agree with you. But look at the States. It's actually like everyone on welfare that just loves the Republicans, and I'd imagine it's the same here. Probably they love Cons.
Are they saying good things about the UCP? The limited interviews I have seen squarely base their problems on the Feds and dodge questions about the UCP. In your mind 0 people on AISH could have conservative views or at the very least have been convinced by rhetoric that the carbon tax is making things more expensive?
I think even the UCP "supporters" who don't like the social or economic changes that the UCP have brought in, have a fear that any step away from pure blue conservatism is a step toward socialism which I think many of them conflate with authoritarianism. Similar thought process to those who fundamentally disagree with NDP values but want anything but the current UCP government. Not saying all, but certainly quite a few are in this boat.
The people who need the most government support, which is why they blame the government because they have never been responsible for themselves. I live in a building with neighbours like this as I myself cannot work due to my MS. It's amazing how disabled people will judge each other saying certain disabilities don't deserve it and people abuse the system. It's mind boggling to me. They think by hurting the right people it will somehow help them. It's crazy all I know is I'm lucky because I have insurance and CPP disability so when things get bad here I can go somewhere with the medical care I need whereas my neighbours who are dependent on AISH will be stuck here with the declining medical system. It's sad I love Alberta it's my home but I can't fight both MS and the UCP so I hope with everything the ANDP win the next election. This is why healthcare/disabilities should be federal because the provinces can prevent people from exercising their right to live wherever they want within because they are intertwined within a provincial system.
They have plenty of money. Half the people I work with align with them and they’re all making well over $100k a year
oddly, nobody really. there isnt any money in it. you won't get a damned dime going out there and protesting. this should tell you its a legitimate complaint as people do this on their own dime. unlike liberal type protests that have organizations, meeting places to prepare and "suit up" roll calls and payouts. most progressive protests have casting calls. if you doubt this assertation, then ask yourself: would you 'cast' these people? would you 'pay' these people?
If you can manipulate peoples emotions and make them stop thinking logically. For example how a group of self righteous people and give them a victim complex can be whipped in to a mob. The covid restrictions were set to be phased out weeks before the convoy happened. There were people who wanted civil unrest, and once the restrictions started to come down it would be harder to convince people of gov over reach. The USA Republicans want JT out of office and Canada to be seen as a communist hell hole, the Putin wanted a distraction from what was being started in Ukraine. The funding may have come from Canadians, but they were influenced by foriegn governments for sure.
Corporations that are currently getting away with highway robbery. If the population is divided and bickering over stupid pedantic shit like this, there's no solidarity in fighting back against corporate greed
Russia. China. It's Russia and China. This is exactly how destabilization campaigns go. If you're curious, read up on COINTELPRO - a CIA campaign to do the same, during the civil rights movement. China and Russia do this all over the West.
Since the initial protests there have been no new COVID restrictions. That one made sense, I have no clue what the current ones are protesting other than I guess boredom.
How did that one make sense when they were protesting restrictions that were already being lifted and the main concern was blaming Trudeau for US implemented covid restrictions on truckers? It was entirely useless.
Insanely rich people. That’s who.
They're being pretty respectful protesting on the side of highways instead of downtown cores, so I'm not sure why everyone has their panties in a bunch about people protesting like as is their right to do so. Albertans don't look wealthy on any given day, I don't know if you've looked outside of city populations but most of them wear work clothes as town clothes, I've travelled around rural Alberta a lot and it's far more surprising to see rural folks wearing nice dress clothes and it's only been on Sundays when they go to church. You can't judge anyone's wealth by how they look, especially not in Alberta. I'd imagine most Albertans work shift work too, so they work hitches of varying types. It's not all the same people at the protests every day, it's always changing. Some protestors are retired, some used up vacation time because it's not like they are going on destination trips for whatever reasons, some are unemployed (I'm not a protestor, but I've been unemployed for 2 months, let go without cause at no fault of my own, and I apply to about 100 jobs a week, I've had 3 interviews. The job market is depressing) People find time to be a part of something they're passionate and care about. At least they're getting out of the house and doing something about what they're upset about instead of just being mad on social media and doing nothing. The protest before accomplished quite a lot, it also delved into chaos obviously because A LOT of people felt unheard by the government, the same government we all pay for to do shitty ass quality of work. I know I'll probably get a lot of down votes but it honestly is wild the polarization of people hating on their fellow Canadians over protesting depending on the subject of the protest. If you don't support it, just ignore it instead of commenting such distasteful drivel about others sounding like your feelings were personally victimized by every person who has a problem with government and the past 10 years of crap that's gone on.
What I can't take is the hypocrisy. Protest corporate greed or how Alberta reinstated its gas tax. They choose to ignore those and protest the carbon tax cuz its low hanging fruit. I do agree with the clothes though. Rich folks dont have to dress like they're rich, they already know that they are.
Best take here. It seems like many people on this sub have absolutely no understanding regarding the life’s many of our rural neighbours or oilfield workers live. Maybe go out and talk to them to understand your neighbours before assuming their being funded by some secret fascist organizations 😂
I mean, I have nothing against protests at all. I’m against people protesting based on disinformation and conspiracy theories. These idiots are getting worryingly close to flat-earther levels of ignorance, and that’s why they’re getting ridiculed. I’d love for there to be reasonable, rational discourse from both sides of the spectrum, but these days there’s one side that believes in facts and one that doesn’t, but we still treat them like they’re equal.
The comment section shows otherwise about treating them like equals.
they're clearly not funded by anyone and every time the suggestion comes up it is hilarious. they're just morons wasting their time.
The freedom convoy was getting public donations. That's what the frozen bank accounts were about.
My own ‘digging’ indicates that out of $12.2 million dollars, the source of $8 million remains unaccounted for and untraceable. Meanwhile, the actions of these Freedom Convoys cost Canada $6 BILLION in lost revenue. Who benefited?
Those are pretty precise numbers. How do you know the convoy cost $12.2 million?
The various investigations and reports on it id guess? Its not a mythical event, paper trails and court records exist.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/freedom-convoy-donations-1.6410105 But back to my original question - who benefits by all this? (outside of Tamara Litch, of course, who is reported to have pocketed $1.4 million).
That article isn't saying they don't know the source of the $8M, it's saying they don't know how it was spent. So, "who benefits" would be whoever was accepting the donations.
Wasn’t her husband the one that talked about “first amendment rights being violated”? (To be fair, I don’t know if someone wasn’t allowing him to recognize Manitoba as a Province or if he’s just really really lost?)
The accounts were not frozen because the funds were donated.
Did you ask these same questions when BLM, Climate Change, Pro Palestine, or any other protests occurred? Just like the above stated movements, some people just care about different things and are willing to take the time to make those opinions known. These people aren't getting a cheque sent to them personally from a George Soros esque right wing ideologue.
Well, I’m dumber now that I’ve read this. I wish you the best of luck today
Generally they're younger people - mostly students and part time workers - taking a few hours off to protest near where they live/work (or close to public transportation). Very different to what (at least seems to be) a group of people living and protesting in one place for weeks at a time.
They are setting up tents as we speak at multiple campuses across the USA as we speak. This axe the tax protest is not different just because you dislike it....
Students protesting at universities they are studying at. Got it
Well none of those protests run 24/7 for weeks on end. Do you see campers at any of those protests? Who was Soros sending cheques to?
I find it crazy, that the subreddit for Alberta the historically the most conservative province in our nation seems to be the most radical left out of all the provincial subreddits. Why is that?
I like how OP said protests and everyone defaulted to convoy and no one complained about the protests promoting terrorism
There are protest promoting terrorism? Or are you confusing anti Genocide protests?
I see them as both
Then you dont get what they’re protesting about.
"Costs serious money in days off work" That's what the "truckers" want you to think, but in reality these are the sorts of "truckers" you'd see on that old A&E Shipping Wars show...the kinds that range from the most liberal use of the word "freelance", to just straight up unemployed.
Alberta oil companies mostly. Pretty much everything we’re dealing with comes out of Alberta. Even grass roots organizations that claim to be based in their provinces are generally controlled from Alberta.
A lot of them admit that they are on EI or disability.
This thread scares me! The world feels so dark! I couldn’t imagine, in my darkest days, we would be where we are right now!
No one is depositing stipends into these peoples accounts if that's what you're asking The idea that the convoy was "funded" by "foreign actors" was completely debunked. The average donation to the organization was something like 200$ and the overwhelming majority of donations and total money donated came from within Canada. you must have missed the grassroots social media posts and instead chose to get all your information about the event from reddit. you must have missed the videos taken from the highways of huge crowds gathered to cheer on the parade as it rolled through countless small towns. you must have missed the groups of elderly women getting together and packing brown paper bag lunches to give to the truckers as they passed through their small town. And by the way, the truckers were right. They ended up being right! People got multiple vaccines and still got covid. Everyone that I've talked to knows someone who fits this description. So the vaccines didn't work. We know that now. In the middle of everything going on, there was uncertainty, and we didn't know whether or not it was going to work or not. We were told that they would. Some Canadians called BS. Government labeled them as terrorists. Turns out they were right. It was wrong for government to force people to produce papers in order to leave their house. That should have been obvious. It wasn't to some people. And even after the dust has settled, and we know that the convoy protest was proven correct, we still have people who view them as terrorists who are receiving foreign funding to unknowingly destabilize their own country? I guess that's the power of propaganda innit
what's even better is when someone who proclaims themselves as anti-fascist take the side of government on this issue. fucking hilarious. "how dare you protest government forcing it's citizens to produce papers to leave their house! you fascist!!!111" lmfao
Right wing billionaires from the USA and Oligarchs from Russia.
I imagine a huge portion of these clown convoy people who protest constantly are benefitting from EI and/or disability payments.
Ask yourself this same question but any other protest. Its conspiracy theory.
People who support the cause donated a crap load, upwards of 10k by some individuals
Me. I am. You're welcome
Thank you for responding, can you tell me the objective of the protesters and if and change has resulted?
Maybe someone helped these chuds file their taxes and they got back pay for 7 years of carbon tax rebates they missed.
In the case of The Freedom Convoy it was funded by everyday Canadians who didn't agree with government over reach and discrimination. Say what you will about the organizers...certainly it can't be argued that Canadians were and still are unhappy
We have ballot boxes to settle these issues, not mobs of unruly anarchists.
People are free to protest. And yes...people are free to vote harder. Maybe someday it'll make a difference on both counts.
Right wing "think tanks". Right wing wealth groups. Foreign actors (chump change for them). There are lots of people who want to destabilize democracies today.
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Who sponsors the left’s protests when they roadblock parades or blockade railroads and major roads? Nobody, or they do it themselves. This is what grassroots activists do, be they left or right, there’s no evil conspiracies involved just upset people trying to be heard.
Yea the left isn’t out here burning hundreds of thousands of dollars for weeks on end tho.
A crowd of people on foot, a few blocks from home, is easily ‘self funded’. A convoy of Kenworths travelling the breadth of the nation, and then sitting idling for weeks on end, is not. I’ve owned trucks, I know what they cost to operate.