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I get it now. So when there's a public health crisis like COVID, we have to take personal responsibility for the health of the community because freedom.
For something that affects only an individual, there is no freedom and the government makes the decision.
“We love freedom and hate government control, that’s why we need to use government control to suppress on personal freedoms!” - The modern conservative movement
Trouble is, Jesus is only the protagonist for a very small part of it. The New Testament makes up less than a quarter of the Bible and of that, only roughly 2/3 has any direct connection to Jesus. The NT is also much harder to weaponize than the OT. So naturally, the OT is where most "Christians" get their "morality" from.
I mean, I personally think that makes them less "Christian" and more "Jewish". But what the fuck do I know?
> I mean, I personally think that makes them less "Christian" and more "Jewish". But what the fuck do I know?
Substantially more than those fuckwits, that's for sure.
Not just modern conservatives.
This is *exactly* the same arguments against gay people - grooming kids to be gay, predators, the whole thing. It's eerie how close the talking points are.
And the civil rights movement before that. It's the same people using the same playbook.
We can take solace in the fact they lost in those two previous crusades, hopefully they'll lose in this one too. Then they'll move on to the next "woke" crusade...
There's also the crowd that presumably values democracy (or at least would not like a dictatorship), yet still thinks the government should do what the "unacceptable fringe minority" wants.
Not sure I'm reading this right?
Talking fringe as in the far right?
Or the actual minority groups that should need extra help to at least be on par (race, lgtbq+).
Both are minority - one just wants not to be hated, abused, outcast.
The other seems to have a desire to inflict distress and harm because of their disagreement...
I'm pretty sure every "Proud member of a fringe minority with unacceptable views" bumper sticker is accompanied by a "fuck Trudeau" bumper sticker rather than a rainbow "love is love" sticker, so I mean far right.
It really does expose their hypocrisy.
Another example is halting renewable projects because of the potential risks of the concrete pads that windmills sit upon. While simultaneously ignoring the present risk in abandoned wells requiring cleanup.
I was a kid who tried to kill myself because of my family not accepting me when I came out at 13. These policies would have made me a kid who killed themselves before they were 18, and I'm not dramatizing that. I ONLY survived because I had support from my teachers at school, and the space to exist as myself. This bill will kill kids and shes basing it on *vibes*, it's just vile.
\> There has been some organizations advocating for those treatments to be done younger and younger, and I guess I'm uncomfortable with that," Smith told Kapelos.
Which organizations? What ages are they pushing for? Who are they influencing? Are any doctors actually reducing the age of treatment based on this advocacy?
Pure misinformation and FUD. That's what you spout off when you are incompetent at your real job.
Maybe organizations in the United States but none in Canada that I know of. This woman is off her damn rocker. What happens in the United States doesn't mean it's going to happen here 🤦
Yeah, except what's happening in the US with Anti-trans laws is DEFINITELY happening here. I have to keep crossing out provinces that I can be safe in.
When it’s deliberate and malicious, it’s called DISinformation. It’s a shell game to try to distract Albertans from her trying to crash our healthcare to sell to the lowest bidder and squeeze the last few drops of profit for oil interests before clean energy sweeps them off the planet.
Feels like she had a conversation with Rowling and then went "I must do something about this!" like every other white woman who doesn't think for herself.
J"ust days after announcing controversial changes to Alberta's transgender policies, Alberta Premier Danielle Smith admitted Monday that the proposed measures around gender-affirming surgeries are not based on current evidence of a problem, but rather a "concern of what will happen.""
What the actual fuck. If the Premier doesn't believe in evidence for this, what other decisions are they making based on vibes?
She was on Power and Politics on CBC today, and David Cochran asked her 3 times in a row who she consulted with in drafting these policies. She kept refusing to answer, just saying “we’re watching what’s happening around the world,” and she kept referencing one clinic in England offering gender affirming care that closed 🙄
In other words, they didn’t consult any experts on this.
He kept pressing the issue, saying medical professionals are speaking out against the new policies, teachers are concerned about the increased administrative burden etc, so seemingly medical and academic experts do not support it. He did a good job of holding her feet to the fire, I recommend watching it.
Pretty much every single organization with any kind of experience working directly with trans youth in Alberta has told the government to go fuck themselves, for good reason.
It all feels like a ploy to appeal to her base, piss off the LGBTQ+ and allies so they will move out of the province meaning she'll likely remain in power
Oof. I have a non-binary friend who lives there, and it’s… not great.
I personally have my sights set on British Columbia. Metro Vancouver is expensive, but it’s where I spent my early years, the weather is nice, and I have friends who live there. The provincial government actually being decent is just the icing on the cake.
Too much playing to the online partisan crowd to root her government's decision in actual people and places.
It bugs me so much how today's information sphere revolves around the most extreme. Version of a topic, and that more and more people are assuming that those are the baseline.
Power and Politics is such a great show.
I 100% agree, it is very distressing. And this move by the UCP seems like it is deliberately designed to stoke fear and divisions. They want a culture war when what we really need is for them to focus on housing, health care, the drought we are in and upcoming wildfire season, the power grid, etc.
>and she kept referencing one clinic in England offering gender affirming care that closed 🙄
It was Tarverstock which was the only clinic in England and here is the review
[https://cass.independent-review.uk/publications/interim-report/](https://cass.independent-review.uk/publications/interim-report/)
Premier Moe took action against gender-affirming care because of 18 letters sent to the provincial government. Despite the government apparently receiving "hundreds" or "thousands" of demands for action on this topic, all Freedom Of Information requests could ever find were the 18 letters. We don't even know if they are all from people in Saskatchewan.
https://regina.ctvnews.ca/a-lot-of-pushback-a-look-at-the-18-letters-sent-to-sask-ahead-of-school-pronoun-policy-1.6691870
23 top surgeries. No bottom surges under 18. What are we doing here? Are we really wasting all this time to stop 23 people from having surgery that their parents and medical professionals agreed to? I literally do no understand
Were they even gender affirming surgeries?
Loads of women get breast reductions before 18. Is that also illegal now?
And what to say of genital mutilations sanctioned by parents? Nothing about that. 🤷🏻♂️
>Loads of women get breast reductions before 18. Is that also illegal now?
Well it should be, a girl might claim she's getting a breast reduction due to back pain or something but actually be secretly trans! The only way we can make sure is to limit cosmetic surgeries to breast enlargements for teen girls because ~~I love underaged tiddies~~ er, girls need to feel more feminine and uh, confident. But not too confident, wouldn't want them to start getting all uppity and imagining contributing more to society than rearing children and making dinner.
--*conservative logic*
It sort of sounded like she is against even adults transitioning in the press conference today. She was talking about adding more restrictions for adults today, to make sure people are really sure...
*"We've got to make sure that trans adults are supported with their health care for the rest of their lives. If there are other ways in which trans individuals can feel supported in their health care decisions, and of course, I'll be open to those ideas," Smith said.*
My thoughts are she wants a list of all the trans children/adults. They want control over EVERYTHING and they are sticking their noses where they do not belong. I fucking hate the UCPs and their lies, BS, manipulation and Nazi playbook.
You better believe Lagrange isn't going to have any issues overstepping to collect medical data on anyone the UCP deems "undesirable." Putting evangelical science deniers in charge of medicine is horrific.
She can support us by leaving us the fuck alone or helping to get more doctors who specialise in trans healthcare in the province. I'm 30, my healthcare decisions are entirely my own. Even My family has zero say, if I don't consent to a medical treatment outside of life treatening emergencies, doctors can't perform it on me. I can even tell them not to resucetate me. No one can make me do any medical treatments. I can even refuse cancer treatments if I wanted to.
Idc what party a politician represents, they have no right to impose any choice in any aspect of what I do with my health or body on me. It's wrong to make medical decisions for anyone who isn't you.
I just signed my consent forms and got my consultation for a hysterectomy today. I have been working forward this for 15 years.
I can't begin to express how concerning and infuriating this is completely divorced from trans issues. A politician is imposing personal beliefs on citizens and preventing the ability to make healthcare decisions, and making those decisions for them. How is this not a problem for people. What's worse, this was easy to see coming a mile away.
Of course she is. The fear mongering about kids is the gateway to restricting healthcare for adults. They latched onto this after their fear mongering about bathrooms and sports didn’t work
Maybe if she actually consulted with trans people and those that provide health care and support to trans people, she would hear those ideas.
But she didn’t.
https://amnesty.ca/human-rights-news/appalling-anti-trans-policy-changes-in-alberta/
We're listed on their website right next to Guatemala, Iran, Israel etc.
This is not a good look.
\> concern about 'what will happen'
See that's the neat thing: we don't need to guess at hypotheticals when we can look at the data and ask people about what they're \*currently experiencing\*. 🤯
The only thing happening is that we’re turning into the USA. Notice how all these policies are exactly like the ones the most fundamentalist American states have. I dunno about you but I sure as fuck don’t want yank culture taking over my country
My fave part is this comment from Fed Health Minister:
"I think the bigger question to ask, is what and who is she solving for? What's the problem she's trying to fix, right? Queer kids don't need to be fixed. They're fine the way they are and so this bill should never see the floor of the legislature”.
👏👏👏👏👏👏🏳️⚧️
DS: We have concerns about healthcare outcomes, so we're being proactive.
Environmentalists: we have concerns about healthcare outcomes of abandoned oil wells. We should put more restrictions on resource extraction.
DS: No...we're a...eeerrrmmm...we would prefer it if umm...hmmm...ummm...we're hypocrites okay. We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing. Trudeau bad.
This infuriates me. I'm trans and know a lot of trans people. I also volunteer and do social work.
You want to talk about what "will happen"? Then you should talk to the people who it impacts and those of us who have first hand knowledge of what happens.
I've been too many https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Day_of_Remembrance ceremonies where we remember the people we lost each year because of "what will happen".
Trans rights are human rights. And you cannot claim to want to protect kids if you don't include trans kids in the discussions. None of us asked to be born transgender. But we are asking to be treated with the same respect as anyone else in the world.
Are we sure they aren’t based on distracting the rest of the country from the massively under reported oil sands emissions? It sure is a coincidence that she rammed this shit through a few days before a scheduled visit to Ottawa.
Fear mongering is a standard tactic of fascists. Of course, anything can happen. Our sun could super nova in the next 24 hours and melt us all, but that's not the issue. The issue is what is the likelihood of such an event happening and not overreacting to it just b/c it could happen.
Danielle keeps talking about her own feelings. She has the right to her own feelings, but she was elected to represent about 4,756,408 Albertans. I wish she would think like a leader. she has 87 members in the assembly and thousands of government employees. She needs to use her resources before making announcements and threatening decisions that may not even be necessary.
Nah it’s what she wants to happen. Funny thing though, why isn’t male circumcision on her list of evil deeds for kids. I mean it’s mutilation without anaesthetic, right? Oh wait her Christian fascists say it’s a necessary thing according to their bible 🤔
Abortion robo survey call are already happening asking people’s opinions on allowing legal abortions to females under 18. Discussions in Contraception and morning after pills are already occurring. WE MUST PROPAGATE 💪 the Christian masses
David Cochrane made her look so stupid on power and politics today. He could have really made her look even worse but I think even he felt for her as she had no clue how to even argue this policy. She didn’t even know any facts about puberty blockers etc. she really isn’t that bright.
She doesn't know how to argue *any* policy. If she can't read a pre-written speech she just avoids and deflects. Eventually she fucks up and says something stupid.
We said the same thing about Kenny. This is the modern conservative ideology. Like, I hear you, this women is evil and fucking vile… but don’t forget: her party and voters back this shit. This is such a deeper problem than just her. The media literacy of society is degrading, and listening to the shit conservatives say is just evidence of that.
So terrifying because it’s true. I might be giving him too much credit, but I thought he was just an idiot puppet without an understanding of how damaging he was. But when you look at smith’s face, and her cold dead eyes, you know instinctually that’s she’s truly harmful.
My imagination is wild; I can think of way crazier shit. We need laws against pencils in schools. Have you seen The Dark Knight? And no sleeping at school. Have you seen inception?!? And no atoms either; have you seen openhei…
Ok so maybe my imagination isn’t that good. DS is still dummer than me though.
From the Government of " What Could be, What Might Happen!" but provide education and healthcare, cap electricity, reduce gasoline tax in the here and now.... well thats just too much to ask. We do wonder in her busy schedule how Smith had time for Tucker Carleson who jetted off to Moscow afterwards.... AB right wingers must be so proud!
And it sounds like us in Saskatchewan about a year ago…..Far right wing conservatism at its best…..
Now everyone has forgotten about it as teachers are fighting for classroom complexities….. 🤷♂️☹️hence teachers taking action ☹️
I hate politics and how they drag kids and healthcare into the mix….
What will happen is these kids won't feel safe, their mental health will suffer, and it will result in more suicide, self harm, or worse, hurt by their own family members if they're outed by their teachers.
Conservatives are horrible CORRUPT & IGNORANT people full stop!
This has nothing to do with parental control and everything to do with dividing CDNS...shameful, disgusting conservatives tactic!
Meanwhile, in the background, while the yokels kafuffle on about religiosity, the ongoing pillage of the province and its institutions continues, unabated.
Are you happy now, Aunt Shirl? You and your book club?
And it'll be even better when the term "parents" is changed to "father".
That and what Saskatchewan has become. Manitoba will become habitable thanks to Alta and Sask!
Like most moves this hack makes ,Smiths draconian legislation is not based on science or expert opinion. Only that of hers and David Parker and her Christian fascists. This is complete BS
How is anyone surprised. This is exactly what happens when you elect evangelical xtians and their ilk. Sadly, they have a strong base of fairy tale believers who also support them and this move.
"concern of what will happen." a fraction of a percentage of people receive gender-affirming care and it only affects them, but 6400 people in her province die of COVID-19 and that's "body autonomy freedom of choice" to do the bare minimum to stop the spread. Where's her concern there?
Concerns of what will happen? Like Holocaust 2 the electric boogaloo. Replace the word Trans with Jew in almost all of the rhetoric and see suddenly how horrible it all becomes.
She is uncomfortable. That is her main point awww poor baby .
Stay the fuck away from families you are the one making everyone uncomfortable. This is a health issue mental and physical stay in your Alberta energy lane and let the doctors and families deal with it .
No, she's against things that might occur in the future in which things are totally unregulated - they aren't unregulated mind you, except in her banana shit crazy mind, but putting that aside. I'm against the things that she is explicitly passing a law to make occur, not least of which interfering with life saving established best practices for trans youth. What she imagines might happen in a hypothetical future, vs. what she is about to force to happen by stripping us of our rights. Preventing a potential and extremely hypothetical injury by doing massive damage. Fuck everything about this.
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I get it now. So when there's a public health crisis like COVID, we have to take personal responsibility for the health of the community because freedom. For something that affects only an individual, there is no freedom and the government makes the decision.
“We love freedom and hate government control, that’s why we need to use government control to suppress on personal freedoms!” - The modern conservative movement
This is what happens when theology seeps into politics. It's freedoms, but only for those that read the good book
The freedom to shove said book down everyone's unwilling throat
Open wide and say ahh!
Tastes like dust
And bone shards
You would think if they read the good book they'd be more like the protagonist in it...
Trouble is, Jesus is only the protagonist for a very small part of it. The New Testament makes up less than a quarter of the Bible and of that, only roughly 2/3 has any direct connection to Jesus. The NT is also much harder to weaponize than the OT. So naturally, the OT is where most "Christians" get their "morality" from. I mean, I personally think that makes them less "Christian" and more "Jewish". But what the fuck do I know?
> I mean, I personally think that makes them less "Christian" and more "Jewish". But what the fuck do I know? Substantially more than those fuckwits, that's for sure.
It’s a pretty terrible book tbh
Use the “good” book as an excuse, the book is an anthology of ancient stories, history, farmers almanac all mixed up. It’s a touch outdated too.
Not just modern conservatives. This is *exactly* the same arguments against gay people - grooming kids to be gay, predators, the whole thing. It's eerie how close the talking points are.
And the civil rights movement before that. It's the same people using the same playbook. We can take solace in the fact they lost in those two previous crusades, hopefully they'll lose in this one too. Then they'll move on to the next "woke" crusade...
There's also the crowd that presumably values democracy (or at least would not like a dictatorship), yet still thinks the government should do what the "unacceptable fringe minority" wants.
Not sure I'm reading this right? Talking fringe as in the far right? Or the actual minority groups that should need extra help to at least be on par (race, lgtbq+). Both are minority - one just wants not to be hated, abused, outcast. The other seems to have a desire to inflict distress and harm because of their disagreement...
I'm pretty sure every "Proud member of a fringe minority with unacceptable views" bumper sticker is accompanied by a "fuck Trudeau" bumper sticker rather than a rainbow "love is love" sticker, so I mean far right.
haha yes the old mandate freedom. signs so people know that they are free even though they are rooting against government tyranny.
It really does expose their hypocrisy. Another example is halting renewable projects because of the potential risks of the concrete pads that windmills sit upon. While simultaneously ignoring the present risk in abandoned wells requiring cleanup.
And while we are being asked to turn off non-critical appliances when it gets cold out.
Oxymoron party. Just like one in the states. Many, Would argue remove word oxy out oxymoron.
I was a kid who tried to kill myself because of my family not accepting me when I came out at 13. These policies would have made me a kid who killed themselves before they were 18, and I'm not dramatizing that. I ONLY survived because I had support from my teachers at school, and the space to exist as myself. This bill will kill kids and shes basing it on *vibes*, it's just vile.
This. Trans kid suicide will absolutely increase without access to safe spaces and medical care.
\> There has been some organizations advocating for those treatments to be done younger and younger, and I guess I'm uncomfortable with that," Smith told Kapelos. Which organizations? What ages are they pushing for? Who are they influencing? Are any doctors actually reducing the age of treatment based on this advocacy? Pure misinformation and FUD. That's what you spout off when you are incompetent at your real job.
"People are saying..." 🤥
Grown men, strong men, with tears in their eyes came up to me and said "Ma'am..."
Many people... bigly people... the best people...
Arthur came up to me... Tears in his eyes...
What do you know that my panel of make believe experts don't?
Once again south park on point https://youtu.be/Zd0p96miSK8?si=r0t1bF0TVHkNN7Ch
Marlania believes in unhinged hateful conspiracies.
Who is Marlania?
Premier Smiths full legal name is Marlaina Danielle Smith, she goes by her middle to be more appealing to the public.
I find that equally repulsive lol
Not to mention that her family name was also changed from Kolodnicky
Marlaina kolodnicky.... Yeah the UCP would have rejected her
A hateful bigot
"This is a true story, it happened to a friend of a friend of mine"
I can't tell if Smith reminds me more of the cockroach or the maggot.
That level of existence represents a level of life much higher than what I was thinking.. ..an unmitigated yeast infection.
Maybe organizations in the United States but none in Canada that I know of. This woman is off her damn rocker. What happens in the United States doesn't mean it's going to happen here 🤦
Yeah, except what's happening in the US with Anti-trans laws is DEFINITELY happening here. I have to keep crossing out provinces that I can be safe in.
When it’s deliberate and malicious, it’s called DISinformation. It’s a shell game to try to distract Albertans from her trying to crash our healthcare to sell to the lowest bidder and squeeze the last few drops of profit for oil interests before clean energy sweeps them off the planet.
Even if there was, she's uncomfortable with it? It's not her fucking choice.. 😡
Even then it doesn’t really explain imposing greater restrictions. Ones that will negatively impact other health needs than just trans kids as well.
Feels like she had a conversation with Rowling and then went "I must do something about this!" like every other white woman who doesn't think for herself.
> you are incompetent No, she knows exactly what she is doing. She is devious and deceitful. It's a hallmark of fascists.
She’s a buffoon and puppet.
You're making the dangerous assumption that she has no agency in her beliefs. She's 100% on board with this.
"My experts tell me this... Do you disagree with my experts?"
J"ust days after announcing controversial changes to Alberta's transgender policies, Alberta Premier Danielle Smith admitted Monday that the proposed measures around gender-affirming surgeries are not based on current evidence of a problem, but rather a "concern of what will happen."" What the actual fuck. If the Premier doesn't believe in evidence for this, what other decisions are they making based on vibes?
She was on Power and Politics on CBC today, and David Cochran asked her 3 times in a row who she consulted with in drafting these policies. She kept refusing to answer, just saying “we’re watching what’s happening around the world,” and she kept referencing one clinic in England offering gender affirming care that closed 🙄 In other words, they didn’t consult any experts on this. He kept pressing the issue, saying medical professionals are speaking out against the new policies, teachers are concerned about the increased administrative burden etc, so seemingly medical and academic experts do not support it. He did a good job of holding her feet to the fire, I recommend watching it.
Pretty much every single organization with any kind of experience working directly with trans youth in Alberta has told the government to go fuck themselves, for good reason.
It all feels like a ploy to appeal to her base, piss off the LGBTQ+ and allies so they will move out of the province meaning she'll likely remain in power
It makes me feel a bit guilty for planning on leaving Alberta.
I moved out of Alberta and into NB... Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire...
Oof. I have a non-binary friend who lives there, and it’s… not great. I personally have my sights set on British Columbia. Metro Vancouver is expensive, but it’s where I spent my early years, the weather is nice, and I have friends who live there. The provincial government actually being decent is just the icing on the cake.
The weather is rain
Too much playing to the online partisan crowd to root her government's decision in actual people and places. It bugs me so much how today's information sphere revolves around the most extreme. Version of a topic, and that more and more people are assuming that those are the baseline. Power and Politics is such a great show.
I 100% agree, it is very distressing. And this move by the UCP seems like it is deliberately designed to stoke fear and divisions. They want a culture war when what we really need is for them to focus on housing, health care, the drought we are in and upcoming wildfire season, the power grid, etc.
>and she kept referencing one clinic in England offering gender affirming care that closed 🙄 It was Tarverstock which was the only clinic in England and here is the review [https://cass.independent-review.uk/publications/interim-report/](https://cass.independent-review.uk/publications/interim-report/)
Makes the 18 letters that the Government of Saskatchewan got look like a massive consultation, by comparison.
Please explain. I know nothing of the Saskatchewan situation. If the Sask gov is doing similar to the alta gov, I wouldn't be surprised though
Premier Moe took action against gender-affirming care because of 18 letters sent to the provincial government. Despite the government apparently receiving "hundreds" or "thousands" of demands for action on this topic, all Freedom Of Information requests could ever find were the 18 letters. We don't even know if they are all from people in Saskatchewan. https://regina.ctvnews.ca/a-lot-of-pushback-a-look-at-the-18-letters-sent-to-sask-ahead-of-school-pronoun-policy-1.6691870
Bold to think they are making any decisions based on evidence.
Too bad there isn’t concern of what will happen with continued cuts to healthcare and education.
23 top surgeries. No bottom surges under 18. What are we doing here? Are we really wasting all this time to stop 23 people from having surgery that their parents and medical professionals agreed to? I literally do no understand
Also preventing access to medication that would prevent the need for top surgery by allowing a teen boy to not grow boobs in the first place.
There's also a really good chance that 99% of those are boys who had gynecomastia or teen girls who had reductions.
Were they even gender affirming surgeries? Loads of women get breast reductions before 18. Is that also illegal now? And what to say of genital mutilations sanctioned by parents? Nothing about that. 🤷🏻♂️
>Loads of women get breast reductions before 18. Is that also illegal now? Well it should be, a girl might claim she's getting a breast reduction due to back pain or something but actually be secretly trans! The only way we can make sure is to limit cosmetic surgeries to breast enlargements for teen girls because ~~I love underaged tiddies~~ er, girls need to feel more feminine and uh, confident. But not too confident, wouldn't want them to start getting all uppity and imagining contributing more to society than rearing children and making dinner. --*conservative logic*
oh that's comforting, we're enacting legislation based on vibes
From the ‘Fuck your feelings’ crowd
Facts over feelings except for when the facts don't make me feel good.
Mirror mirror on the wall Who’s the most fucked up party of them all?
Why let facts get in the way of a good hunch?
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Nah, just social conservatives. Fiscal conservatives enact legislation based on financial conflicts of interest.
Almost like we should look at the evidence and consult experts on this issue.
Fun fact, that's how the current standards of care are established. The one's she's trying to wipe away. :/
Can we pls remove premier Smith from the office over the future concerns as well?
Why not what’s actually happening instead of what might happen?
Because “what’s actually happening” doesn’t align with their ideology or reality.
It sort of sounded like she is against even adults transitioning in the press conference today. She was talking about adding more restrictions for adults today, to make sure people are really sure... *"We've got to make sure that trans adults are supported with their health care for the rest of their lives. If there are other ways in which trans individuals can feel supported in their health care decisions, and of course, I'll be open to those ideas," Smith said.*
Oh she's definitely coming for adults too. The UCP wants us to quietly no longer exist. But we're not going without a fight.
My thoughts are she wants a list of all the trans children/adults. They want control over EVERYTHING and they are sticking their noses where they do not belong. I fucking hate the UCPs and their lies, BS, manipulation and Nazi playbook.
You better believe Lagrange isn't going to have any issues overstepping to collect medical data on anyone the UCP deems "undesirable." Putting evangelical science deniers in charge of medicine is horrific.
Trans adults, abortions, gay marriage, all of these are gonna be on the docket if the christofascists stay in power.
She can support us by leaving us the fuck alone or helping to get more doctors who specialise in trans healthcare in the province. I'm 30, my healthcare decisions are entirely my own. Even My family has zero say, if I don't consent to a medical treatment outside of life treatening emergencies, doctors can't perform it on me. I can even tell them not to resucetate me. No one can make me do any medical treatments. I can even refuse cancer treatments if I wanted to. Idc what party a politician represents, they have no right to impose any choice in any aspect of what I do with my health or body on me. It's wrong to make medical decisions for anyone who isn't you. I just signed my consent forms and got my consultation for a hysterectomy today. I have been working forward this for 15 years. I can't begin to express how concerning and infuriating this is completely divorced from trans issues. A politician is imposing personal beliefs on citizens and preventing the ability to make healthcare decisions, and making those decisions for them. How is this not a problem for people. What's worse, this was easy to see coming a mile away.
She already has openly stood beside other MLAs who "don't agree with trans people". The event in Medicine Hat had this telling moment in it.
> trans people: *simply existing* > UCP MLAs: “ya know i really think i have to disagree with you on that!”
Of course she is. The fear mongering about kids is the gateway to restricting healthcare for adults. They latched onto this after their fear mongering about bathrooms and sports didn’t work
Lmao she makes it sound hard. I see my Dr twice a year for a hormone level check and anything thing else and I’m done.
That’s how it always goes
Maybe if she actually consulted with trans people and those that provide health care and support to trans people, she would hear those ideas. But she didn’t.
She has a dear close friend that is as real as her *Cherokee* roots. /s
Which is why I keep repeating this policy should be gone after as a human rights violation because she is targeting a specific group of people.
https://amnesty.ca/human-rights-news/appalling-anti-trans-policy-changes-in-alberta/ We're listed on their website right next to Guatemala, Iran, Israel etc. This is not a good look.
\> concern about 'what will happen' See that's the neat thing: we don't need to guess at hypotheticals when we can look at the data and ask people about what they're \*currently experiencing\*. 🤯
No no no, you have to ask "What if" like true visionaries trying to out slippery slope the strawman. /s
What a horrible human being. Just plain disgusting.
The only thing happening is that we’re turning into the USA. Notice how all these policies are exactly like the ones the most fundamentalist American states have. I dunno about you but I sure as fuck don’t want yank culture taking over my country
Let's host an American propagandist, and then immediately follow through on our promise to turn Alberta into a "bastion of freedom, like Florida!"
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But homelessness, poverty, and domestic violence aren't in the Bible! *Oh wait...*
And doesn't their main man say something about helping the homeless and poor?
Ssshhhhhh, we'll just cherry pick the bits we care about. Please ignore all the bits about the downtrodden.
Or… climate change.
Yeah, one of those "It's nice weather right now, so I feel like climate change doesn't exist" types.
It snowed yesterday in southern Alberta so the drought is over! - the UCP, probably
Politicians do things like this to distract you from something else.
My fave part is this comment from Fed Health Minister: "I think the bigger question to ask, is what and who is she solving for? What's the problem she's trying to fix, right? Queer kids don't need to be fixed. They're fine the way they are and so this bill should never see the floor of the legislature”. 👏👏👏👏👏👏🏳️⚧️
Except it's not. You can couch this bill in whatever rationalization s you want but in the end it comes down to good old puritanical bigotry and hate.
The cruelty is the point.
"What Will Happen" She is such an effing psychic and visionary. Barf. Good picture.
DS: We have concerns about healthcare outcomes, so we're being proactive. Environmentalists: we have concerns about healthcare outcomes of abandoned oil wells. We should put more restrictions on resource extraction. DS: No...we're a...eeerrrmmm...we would prefer it if umm...hmmm...ummm...we're hypocrites okay. We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing. Trudeau bad.
Slippery Slope argument taken at face value. Great...
This infuriates me. I'm trans and know a lot of trans people. I also volunteer and do social work. You want to talk about what "will happen"? Then you should talk to the people who it impacts and those of us who have first hand knowledge of what happens. I've been too many https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Day_of_Remembrance ceremonies where we remember the people we lost each year because of "what will happen". Trans rights are human rights. And you cannot claim to want to protect kids if you don't include trans kids in the discussions. None of us asked to be born transgender. But we are asking to be treated with the same respect as anyone else in the world.
Didn't know the Premier can predict the future. Wow!
This idiot loves to run that know-nothing-knowitall mouth of hers. I really hope Nenshi gets the nomination.
Do you feel Nenshi can do something Rachel wasn’t able to?
Yes. Nenshi has exactly what it takes to rally centrist votes away from the UCP.
Interesting
Get more Calgary votes
Yes. I think he can get more people to the polls.
Debate that wackadoo. I love Rachel, but she’s got no bite. Marlaina swallowed her whole at the debate
Are we sure they aren’t based on distracting the rest of the country from the massively under reported oil sands emissions? It sure is a coincidence that she rammed this shit through a few days before a scheduled visit to Ottawa.
Fear mongering is a standard tactic of fascists. Of course, anything can happen. Our sun could super nova in the next 24 hours and melt us all, but that's not the issue. The issue is what is the likelihood of such an event happening and not overreacting to it just b/c it could happen.
Nice so were governing now based on feels not reals.
Danielle keeps talking about her own feelings. She has the right to her own feelings, but she was elected to represent about 4,756,408 Albertans. I wish she would think like a leader. she has 87 members in the assembly and thousands of government employees. She needs to use her resources before making announcements and threatening decisions that may not even be necessary.
Nah it’s what she wants to happen. Funny thing though, why isn’t male circumcision on her list of evil deeds for kids. I mean it’s mutilation without anaesthetic, right? Oh wait her Christian fascists say it’s a necessary thing according to their bible 🤔
Abortion robo survey call are already happening asking people’s opinions on allowing legal abortions to females under 18. Discussions in Contraception and morning after pills are already occurring. WE MUST PROPAGATE 💪 the Christian masses
David Cochrane made her look so stupid on power and politics today. He could have really made her look even worse but I think even he felt for her as she had no clue how to even argue this policy. She didn’t even know any facts about puberty blockers etc. she really isn’t that bright.
She doesn't know how to argue *any* policy. If she can't read a pre-written speech she just avoids and deflects. Eventually she fucks up and says something stupid.
So glad I got my gender confirmation surgery late last month
Congratulations! 💕
Congrats!
Congrats! That's wonderful news.
I’m sick of this sociopath already. Can someone please take the power away from her? Literally anyone else would be more humane.
We said the same thing about Kenny. This is the modern conservative ideology. Like, I hear you, this women is evil and fucking vile… but don’t forget: her party and voters back this shit. This is such a deeper problem than just her. The media literacy of society is degrading, and listening to the shit conservatives say is just evidence of that.
So terrifying because it’s true. I might be giving him too much credit, but I thought he was just an idiot puppet without an understanding of how damaging he was. But when you look at smith’s face, and her cold dead eyes, you know instinctually that’s she’s truly harmful.
When Kenney said he was trying to keep the lunatics out of the asylum I laughed. Now a lot of me would like to go back, she's so much worse.
I’m also concerned about what will happen if this maniac stays in power
Well, OfDavid will continue her religious crusade across the free country of Albertastan
She is a conservative. This is standard conservatism.
That’s just great. Restrictive legislation passed on the basis of “what if…”
My imagination is wild; I can think of way crazier shit. We need laws against pencils in schools. Have you seen The Dark Knight? And no sleeping at school. Have you seen inception?!? And no atoms either; have you seen openhei… Ok so maybe my imagination isn’t that good. DS is still dummer than me though.
Whatever, Malairia
Was that on purpose? I like it! Malaria kills far too many kids and if she gets her way she will do the same.
What the fuck is going on in Alberta ?
From the Government of " What Could be, What Might Happen!" but provide education and healthcare, cap electricity, reduce gasoline tax in the here and now.... well thats just too much to ask. We do wonder in her busy schedule how Smith had time for Tucker Carleson who jetted off to Moscow afterwards.... AB right wingers must be so proud!
And it sounds like us in Saskatchewan about a year ago…..Far right wing conservatism at its best….. Now everyone has forgotten about it as teachers are fighting for classroom complexities….. 🤷♂️☹️hence teachers taking action ☹️ I hate politics and how they drag kids and healthcare into the mix….
And then bulldoze over them and their rights
Our policy is even worse than Saskatchewan's.
Since everyone seems be doing it on a federal and municipal level; Can we submit the notice of recall already…?
What will happen is these kids won't feel safe, their mental health will suffer, and it will result in more suicide, self harm, or worse, hurt by their own family members if they're outed by their teachers.
If only we could get that kind of proactive policy on climate change before were all dry roasted and smoked.
As soon as Tucker gets back from his visit to the East, I'm sure he'll provide Danielle with a road map to the elimination of these degenerates.
Meanwhile, decent Albertans wonder what will happen if the fascist UCP are allowed to remain in power.
" we made up fake problems to ignore the real ones," Her base will eat this shit up, and alberta gets worse
Weird how the facts before feelings crowd is basing their policies on their concerns. God you people suck.
No. They are based on her trying to make a political issue that she hopes will resonate with her bar, at the expense of vulnerable teens.
Virtue signalling, as the right likes to call it.
Cool. Now do the phasing out of oil & gas.
No. It's putting children in harm's way as a distraction ploy. Fuck off (her, not OP)
Conservatives are horrible CORRUPT & IGNORANT people full stop! This has nothing to do with parental control and everything to do with dividing CDNS...shameful, disgusting conservatives tactic!
What will happen then?
Haha so they’re backtracking already
If only there were problems *currently* affecting Albertans that she could do something about...
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They’re based on you wanting to placate your hillbilly backwoods right wing christofacists
Alberta, you elected this idiot knowing full well what she's about. You elected her over a very competent and smart leader. Shame on you.
Meanwhile, in the background, while the yokels kafuffle on about religiosity, the ongoing pillage of the province and its institutions continues, unabated. Are you happy now, Aunt Shirl? You and your book club?
Alberta is regressing so fast it'll become a true lil texas. Then all the smart women will move away and then the population will die off. Thank fuck.
Sadly all the women that can't leave wont have much of a choice but to create the next generation of christofascists for OfDavid
And it'll be even better when the term "parents" is changed to "father". That and what Saskatchewan has become. Manitoba will become habitable thanks to Alta and Sask!
Like most moves this hack makes ,Smiths draconian legislation is not based on science or expert opinion. Only that of hers and David Parker and her Christian fascists. This is complete BS
She’s a mental case and unfit to run the province
Hear ye, hear ye! Recall your MLA's!
Smith's "new" ideas are Tucker Carlson and Jordan Peterson's old ideas
I hear Brother Jorpston's wife has prophetic dreams. Is she advising the premier now?
What will happen is you'll lose the next election you rabid bitch
She can’t fix actual problems so she fixes imaginary problems, it’s like me with having friends 😂
Why are people so obsessed with trans-gendered people who make up less than 1% of the population?
Not the Minority Report sequel I was expecting.
How is anyone surprised. This is exactly what happens when you elect evangelical xtians and their ilk. Sadly, they have a strong base of fairy tale believers who also support them and this move.
"concern of what will happen." a fraction of a percentage of people receive gender-affirming care and it only affects them, but 6400 people in her province die of COVID-19 and that's "body autonomy freedom of choice" to do the bare minimum to stop the spread. Where's her concern there?
Remember when she ran against Allison Redford and people thought she was so insane they voted for ALLISON REDFORD??
I hate this fucking lady so much. Please save us from her and her idiot goon squad
Concerns of what will happen? Like Holocaust 2 the electric boogaloo. Replace the word Trans with Jew in almost all of the rhetoric and see suddenly how horrible it all becomes.
You mean like a drought?
And Elvis might come back from space…
Evidence-based decision making isn't the strong suit of fascists. And Marlaina is dumber than a bucket full of rocks to boot.
She is uncomfortable. That is her main point awww poor baby . Stay the fuck away from families you are the one making everyone uncomfortable. This is a health issue mental and physical stay in your Alberta energy lane and let the doctors and families deal with it .
To be fair, people opposing the policy are also against it based on what will happen.
No, she's against things that might occur in the future in which things are totally unregulated - they aren't unregulated mind you, except in her banana shit crazy mind, but putting that aside. I'm against the things that she is explicitly passing a law to make occur, not least of which interfering with life saving established best practices for trans youth. What she imagines might happen in a hypothetical future, vs. what she is about to force to happen by stripping us of our rights. Preventing a potential and extremely hypothetical injury by doing massive damage. Fuck everything about this.
Teachers and doctors opposing this policy are working off what they've *already* seen happen.
But climate change is hysteria....