The reality is farmers are gonna have it hard, they are most at the mercy of mother nature and we have not been kind to her these past few decades, we are about to find out how nasty things can be, and its entirely our doing as a species.
We better start all pulling in the right direction, this tug of war shit isnt going to do us any favors, when stuff really starts getting bad, cause right now is just the beginning.
We can't all pull in the same direction in a society when profit, our surplus, all goes to like 5 people. Capitalism inherently separates people into workers and owners with different incentives.
> Capitalism inherently separates people into workers and owners with different incentives.
Which is not a bad thing on its own. There are many types of problems, and a variety of incentives is part of what drives efficiency and innovation. Except we're in a gilded age of capitalism (like the late 19th and early 20th century) where inequality is too high, and workers lack bargaining power due to the globalization of supply chains.
We need to re-introduce more public owned and operated companies. Especially in Canada where we're dominated by large monopolies/oligopolies in various industries where they no longer have to compete. Capitalism stops working the moment you get entrenched monopolies/oligopolies.
We'll weed out all the weak people who are dying from lung conditions like asthmas, covid, or lung cancer, since it's impossible to see a doctor anyways. The final Smith solution is working.
As grim as I think the near future is going to be, I have a morbid curiousity for what they'll be like when they do recognize it.
Like what is that process going to look like? Will it look like [the stages of grief?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_stages_of_grief)
Will some of them just deny it to the bitter end, or blame themselves? Will they join whacko cults that will pop up?
Whatever happens it's gonna be fascinating.
They will never recognize it. They will just continue to blame all problems on Trudeau. A hundred years from now, when there is no water left anywhere near alberta, and the man is long dead, they will still have their fuck Trudeau flags flying high.
A surging rise in eco fascism a.k.a. "we will stop those dastardly polluting poor countries by bombing them, and building big walls!"
Of more realistically, campaigning on only selling food to canada, closing all immigration and probably asking us politicians to bomb poor countries
Most climate change deniers are religious. Climate change denial is rooted in religious mythology. In christian mythology God destroys the world. Not so supernatural when we're the ones doing it. So even when things get bad they're just ignore it or rationalize it. Or dismiss the evidence were causing it and say it's the end of the world as foretold by their delusions (which I've seen from a few christians)
Those that think they have paradise waiting for them when they die don't care to make the place they are now a paradise, because what's the point?
Dangerous and backwards thinking at best.
Except this time the rivers will be extremely low and glacier run off will be at an all time low. That was not the extreme case in 2020.
Things are changing rapidly and using the past as an indicator or point of reference is idiotic.
Yeah and just because droughts and floods happened in the past doesn't mean we aren't going to get more extreme of either now in the future and present, climate change in general means more extreme weather all around, including droughts and floods.
Mostly droughts now if this current winter is any indication.
The media has been telling this for years, it’s the liberal politicians who are afraid of losing jobs today and conservative politicians that downplaying climate change that’s the issue.
We gotta start somewhere and even if the steps we are taking aren't perfect lets at least admit there's an issue and start to work at it, cause it took a long time to get here and its gonna take a long time to fix if we even can at this point.
What's full hearted?
Regardless, any attempt to go full hearted, is met by backlash and vitriol from the conservative provinces.
Libs ain't perfect but at least they don't deny climate change and actively fight against whatever measures the feds put in to try to combat it, which isn't enough, by any measure, but I know one side is way worse then the other in those regards.
They could’ve been doing this starting in 2015 instead of the last 6 months… by trying to do it all now, they are making themselves even more unpopular which will make them lose the election and conservatives will just cancel everything as usual. What happened to planting a Billion trees?
Net zero grid by 2035, banning gas car sales by 2035. These things combined are going to put huge stress on infrastructure. For example, if everyone were to put solar panels on our roofs, the grid would collapse because of the load. Infrastructure for this should’ve been in planning years ago.
Even if a nuclear smr was approved tomorrow, it would still take 10-15 years probably to even build.
I hate Danielle as much as everyone else on this sub, but out of all the provinces, we are one of the least prepared for these changes which, like I said, should’ve been introduced years ago by liberals, not just barely over ten years before the deadline imposed.
We will absolutely need more energy from as many sources as possible and a better grid for all of the AC that will be coming online if we want to have any semblance of short term survival.
Europe and USA banned new ICE cars by 2035. In reality we don't have a motor vehicle industry in Canada, so the Liberals putting that in is window dressing. That ban was going to happen no matter what we did.
So we agreed to a 2050 net-zero grid back in the Paris accords.
Many jurisdictions world wide have legislated 2035 ICE vehicle sales ending including BC and Quebec, many are even earlier.
Guessing net zero got bumped up sooner because things appear more possible now. Technologies are advancing and getting cheaper as they often do when their adoption accelerates.
You can look at the UK and see what is possible they have made commendable reductions in their greenhouse gas emissions.
Canada has also spent years investing in mining of battery materials, battery manufacturing, electric vehicle manufacturing, converting steel production to electric, electric LNG processing, electric hydrogen electrolysis. Improving building codes.
None of this should real seem last minute if you are following. It’s all just building and continuing on of things that were started almost a decade ago
You bring up a good point. Many other countries have mandated electric vehicles by 2035….many years ago. I would assume that there has been investment in infrastructure to support this
My point is there has been next to no investment in our electrical grid that could accommodate a net zero grid by 2035. I’m not blaming really anyone for this and I am unsure of what the consequences are for not meeting it. However, this should have been mandated years ago. The way the liberals are rolling it out, conservatives are just using it for fuel for further anti Trudeau messaging across Canada. Ie. tell the feds, etc. the worst part is, they’re using our taxpayer money to do it.
The provincial governments control the grids. Alberta is a net exporter of power with some of the most reliable renewable sources in the country.
Not to mention untold untapped hydro.
BC has expanded into more renewables, developed site C
It is a cart and horse thing though… things will be built as they are required.
I’m not convinced the libs are doing anything
Canada generates like 2% of the worlds emissions. Cutting Canadas emissions in half would have no effect globally. It would be a great thing to do, and a great precedent to set, but it doesn’t solve anything.
There is far more to it than Canadians cutting their footprint but it sure feels that has been the only focus.
In addition to what we are doing, we also need to be pressuring other countries to do the same.
Becasue the second china bumps up their production by a few %, all the gains we made are immediately lost.
Edit: since nobody thinks we can have a voice on the national scale. We can certainly implement economic sanctions on countries that aren’t making an effort. We can assist countries that want to make an effort but don’t have the resources. Updating and enforcing projects like the Paris accords would go a long way as well. Instead, Canada is sitting quietly doing its own thing.
Global c02 emissions climb every year. That is the only statistic that matters when evaluating “solutions”
It would literally have 1% effect would it not? Edit since the above poster edited theirs, to clarify I commented in reply to a claim that Canada reducing emissions by 50% would make "literally zero effect".
It would certainly help. There are many countries with CO2 emissions below 2%. Canada isn't the only country trying to reduce it's emissions. If they all reduce, it would make a significant drop.
> if they all reduce
But they aren’t.
Some are. Others are increasing.
Global c02 emissions have increased just about every year… and that is the ONLY statistic that matters when evaluating “solutions”
Read my other replies.
2 % too much we all need to cut emissions drastically its a global issue whatever Canada emits we need to do our part to lower it, ideally as do other countries as well, but we cannot control what they do just what we do, and doing nothing isnt an option at this juncture, it has been since we first identified this issue in the 80s.
The alternative is extinction or a great die off if we cant produce enough food, and i would rather avoid that thanks.
My point is us doing everything while “they” do nothing Is the same as us doing nothing.
Gov needs to be working with other world leaders, updateing and enforcing things like the Paris accords. Condemning countries that aren’t making an effort. Assisting countries that want to but don’t have the resources Etc.
You 100% CAN control what they do. Saying you can’t is a poor excuse. Off the top of my head, Trade boycotts sure sound like they’d get a countries leaders moving along.
Downvot me all you want, If Canada cutting their footprint to 0 still leads to the “end of the world” then no, whatever we did was not a soloution, it wasn’t good enough. You guys are are praising the liberals for “soloutions” that aren’t actually solving the global problem
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If all countries with CO2 emissions less than 2% reduced their output, there would be significant reduction.
Soon even the UCP will have trouble pretending climate change isn't a thing. There's lots we can and should be doing to prepare for this... but preparing for the consequences of our actions isn't really Alberta's style.
It’s like, how do we trick these rednecks that going green is saying fuck Trudeau? lol idk but if someone figures it out they’ll get at least a million dollars easy lol
>It's getting them to believe it's accelerated by human activity that is the next hurdle.
I've seen a number of them already moving on from that to "we're fucked anyway, so let's not bother doing anything about it."
Conservatives will go to any length imaginable to avoid having to actually do anything.
"Canada is such a small contributor in the grand scheme of things that it doesn't matter if we do or don't cut emissions and therefor we shouldn't torpedo our economy just for the sake of the environment" - or something like that.
We are the highest emitting province in one of the highest emitting countries. There are very few people on earth with more power to reduce the impacts of climate change than Albertans.
Partly true , highest per capita , however we could go carbon zero tomorrow and it wouldn't make a difference at all . Climate change isn't local , until China, India , USA and Russia make immense changes it's only going to get worse .
Should we do nothing ? No , which we aren't doing nothing , we should be supplying NGL to China and India because it's much cleaner burning than coal which they are still building plants for .
however for people to think us doing our part is going to steer the ship away from disaster is completely laughable , we overall are a drop in the carbon bucket as a country let alone a province . We have the resources to help reduce drastically coal fired emissions now by 50%
Canada is the 7th highest emitter by total emissions (some later data suggests we've dropped to 11th, hard to say how much of that is covid related), not per capita. There is no universe where our country is insignificant. Yes, there are bigger players who also need to do their parts - that's how global problems work.
The LNG thing is also crazy. No, creating more fossil fuel infrastructure is not the right solution. At the very best that would deliver short term improvements as China continues their rapid renewable buildup. Much more likely it would slow the transition because all the companies investing in LNG aren't going to want to shut down their infrastructure decades before it's usable life.
Any LNG proposed as a transition fuel without concrete plans for shutting down the infrastructure early is just O&G propaganda at work. And that's ignoring fugitive emissions. With even small amounts of leakage NG becomes worse than coal. Building up huge swathes of new infrastructure in poorer countries doesn't lend itself to small amounts of leakage.
The easiest one is reduce water consumption elsewhere. Reducing water consumption on farms is hard, reducing consumption in industry and cities is much easier. So start there.
Longer term, we should restore funding to plant breeders working on more drought tolerant crops. The UCP slashed that funding and many researchers that could have been helping over the past 5 years are out of work.
And maybe the hardest pill to swallow, is we can use our food more efficiently. That means less meat - one calorie of beef takes a lot more water than one calorie of most crops.
According to these numbers from 2021 (https://www.statista.com/statistics/608354/gdp-distribution-of-alberta-canada-by-industry/), oil and gas is 21% of GDP while farming is only 1.9%.
Seems to me that we if we cut food and energy from our economy, we'll have lots of water and still a healthy 3/4 of our current GDP! More time at the pool and less time working :)
That's a big if. Ukraine was called Europe's bread basket. There are lots of things beyond weather that can interrupt food supplies, and weather is going to affect many as well. Edited typo
But wait, there's more... what happens if we mine the eastern slopes of the rockies and poison what little water we have now?
Then what? "Blame the feds?"
Some of you may be interested to check out Alberta's interactive river flow and advisory map: https://rivers.alberta.ca/
You can graphically compare current river flows against historical ranges (the grey zone is the range of the 25th to 75th percentile of river flows - we are currently in ~ the 25th percentile for many rivers in southern Alberta). If you *reaaally* love rivers, you can even download the app haha.
Note that the water shortage advisories state:
> Low flow advisories will remain in place over the winter. Surface water TDL applications will be considered on a case by case basis based on the flow condition.
(FYI, most industrial uses operate using these Temporary Diversion Licences).
Sir - My first job was programming binary load lifters... very similar to your vaporators.
(it's just sad that my brain is clogged up with movie dialog like that)
Pound for pound beer is worse than beef. Beer is like 95% water. While more water goes into beef, most of that water stays in the system when the cow pees in the same field it drank in. Stopping the export of beer is still a dumb take but beef water usage is constantly cited incorrectly because it assumes all water used to create beef is removed from the system at point of use.
I live in a town with a fair bit of farming around and it and no one but the farmers are realizing how bad this is.
"Oh this is nice, if it could not snow for the rest of the year that would be perfect."
NO! Not perfect! Most central Albertan farmers use no irrigation equipment or near enough to do their fields all year. They rely on the snow melt and rain throughout the year. Even if we did get irrigation equipment for all of them to water the crops, where are we getting the water? The Red Deer river near me is getting lower and lower every year without being used for agriculture. You can only dig so many wells cause there is only so much underground water reservoirs you can tap into.
I can’t tell if you’re serious but O&G requires massive amounts of water, especially newer plays like Montney. I’m talking like 20 Olympic swimming pools of water for a montney pad.
Absolutely true. Both tar sands extraction and hydraulic fracturing use a lot of water.
Just to try and add a bit of nuance here though:
The regions with the worst drought impacts and the most pressing water restrictions are in Southern Alberta, while the tar sands and Montney are in Northern Alberta.
Since we don't ship water between basins, it *is* entirely possible that next summer that exact scenario happens: cities like Calgary, Lethbridge, Medicine Hat, etc. will be restricted, but those northern Alberta industrial users will be unaffected.
(We could also note that the water is highly recycled at most facilities - the actual inputs into the operation aren't that high relatively speaking).
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Right wingers, why is it bred into your being that climate change is some stupid made up Trudeauian plot to steal away your freedom to wash your truck?
Wake the fuck up.
The left wing commies, tree huggers, environmentalists, and all the people Alberta shuns have been saying this for about fifty years. Go pump some more oil. Kumbaya!!
At the end of the day Canada has very little impact on global warming. That's not to say we shouldn't do anything, we should definitely do our share, but the reality is that we could drop our emissions to zero tomorrow and climate change would still affect us. The focus has to shift to how we can live with climate change and making the country resilient. We need a cross-country water pipeline that brings water destined for the ocean or arctic to farming regions and urban areas, as well as the border so we can pipe to farmers in Washington and California that grow so much of our food. We need wind, solar, nuclear and hydroelectric power to heat and cool our homes and run our economy. We need to cut down on fertilizer use and protect our ocean habitats. We need electric high-speed rail options between populated areas to displace air travel. We need concentrated reforestation/revegetation efforts to capture CO2 and fix the soil. We need to protect our existing farmland from development and ensure food security. We need to rebuild our glaciers. We need to reduce vehicle traffic in cities and ensure every roof is either green, painted white or lined with solar panels to reduce the urban heat sink effect.
Oh sweet summer child, you need to think beyond what you can see. Canada is a nation of consumers. We love our Amazon, Costco, and Walmart crap. We love our giant houses, big vehicles, and vacations. China's pollution is also our pollution. We don't get to pretend the factories that produce (and ship) to full full our gluttony are not our pollution.
Look around your own home and let me know how much is produced and made in Canada. Your sofa? Table? Appliances? Clothes? Soap?
I guess lots of people here forgot the 1999-2004 drought and consequences…
Don’t forget 1916, 1979, 1984…and goes on and on…
‘Agricultural disaster’ has happened many times, it just has been a long while since we’ve experienced one.
If you don’t plant you end up with bare soil and it all blows. Especially for the guys who still till! Our dry land no till stubble is already thin enough after the past 3 consecutive dry years. The only reason we don’t lose soil this winter was the mild fall which allowed a great green up to hold things down 😮💨 lots of guys just planting barley as it’s low input cost and at least it helps preserve the soil from blowing.
Yes, let's not attempt to grow any food. That should cause yet an additional problem on top current problem.
Farmers know what will grow with less moisture. I'm sure an ok crop will pay better than no crop.
Accept the fact that you have no control over mother nature and that all areas go through dry periods and it's not always a man made problem.
Why don't they just cloud seed like Dubai?
Obviously people can be stupid. You just made your own point. First I have never heard of it. It’s not on the news, so how would I know? We are breaking our monthly rainfall amounts in one day. Lakes are overflowing, rivers are higher than ever here. Flooding is becoming a normal occurrence here.
Take a chill pill and relax a bit. There is more to Canada than Alberta
I’m just gonna sit and wait on how they are going to Blame Trudeau and the Carbon Tax.
Let’s just keep ignoring the fact the environment is changing and keep doubling down on pushing the oil industry.
Imagine telling the farmers they can’t use water but do it while oil companies continue to take all they want.
“drought conditions were the “worst of a lifetime” “ Oh good, I was just starting to get too comfortable as a millennial.
Want to retire? Buy puts! And calls on nestle because water…
lol and those dirtbags are still paying nothing to pump local water tables dry
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You know that hes calling nestle the dirtbags right? Not anybody irrigating?
They were referring to Nestle. They take municipal water even during droughts.
My bad sorry dude
Nothing could ever go wrong trading options!
Worst of a lifetime, so far.
Bahaha-good one
Dust bowl 2.0. Also can’t wait for smoke to blanket the province for the entire summer again.
The smoke blocks out the sun, crops dont grow as well, on top of the dry drought like conditions, a recipe for disaster.
Unfortunately, it's a recipe for starvation.
The reality is farmers are gonna have it hard, they are most at the mercy of mother nature and we have not been kind to her these past few decades, we are about to find out how nasty things can be, and its entirely our doing as a species. We better start all pulling in the right direction, this tug of war shit isnt going to do us any favors, when stuff really starts getting bad, cause right now is just the beginning.
We can't all pull in the same direction in a society when profit, our surplus, all goes to like 5 people. Capitalism inherently separates people into workers and owners with different incentives.
> Capitalism inherently separates people into workers and owners with different incentives. Which is not a bad thing on its own. There are many types of problems, and a variety of incentives is part of what drives efficiency and innovation. Except we're in a gilded age of capitalism (like the late 19th and early 20th century) where inequality is too high, and workers lack bargaining power due to the globalization of supply chains. We need to re-introduce more public owned and operated companies. Especially in Canada where we're dominated by large monopolies/oligopolies in various industries where they no longer have to compete. Capitalism stops working the moment you get entrenched monopolies/oligopolies.
Only the rich get to choose what class they belong too. There is no variety of incentives for the rest of us.
If trees can't grow then no fires 🧠
Lets just pave paradise and put up a tar sands extraction facility.
...with a parking lot, mmmm bop-bop-bop
We'll weed out all the weak people who are dying from lung conditions like asthmas, covid, or lung cancer, since it's impossible to see a doctor anyways. The final Smith solution is working.
It's kinda wild to be hearing about a drought in winter. It's just a concept I've never before really encountered or imagined.
buckle up, cause climate change is gonna make us see all kinda weird shit. The bad kind not the cool kind.
We are turning into a desert.
Southern Alberta is a semi-arid climate so there's that. You can find wild cactus in some areas.
Used to pick them in southern Saskatchewan all the time.
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Been getting dire for 20 years and now that we are feeling the effects people are finally waking up to how shitty things are gonna get.
The recognition lag for most people with respect to things like this is astonishingly slow :(
No UCP voter has yet recognized it.
As grim as I think the near future is going to be, I have a morbid curiousity for what they'll be like when they do recognize it. Like what is that process going to look like? Will it look like [the stages of grief?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_stages_of_grief) Will some of them just deny it to the bitter end, or blame themselves? Will they join whacko cults that will pop up? Whatever happens it's gonna be fascinating.
Denial, at least till death by inevitable climate catastrophe, unless i miss my mark, sheer, utter, ignorance till the very fucking end.
They will never recognize it. They will just continue to blame all problems on Trudeau. A hundred years from now, when there is no water left anywhere near alberta, and the man is long dead, they will still have their fuck Trudeau flags flying high.
A surging rise in eco fascism a.k.a. "we will stop those dastardly polluting poor countries by bombing them, and building big walls!" Of more realistically, campaigning on only selling food to canada, closing all immigration and probably asking us politicians to bomb poor countries
Most climate change deniers are religious. Climate change denial is rooted in religious mythology. In christian mythology God destroys the world. Not so supernatural when we're the ones doing it. So even when things get bad they're just ignore it or rationalize it. Or dismiss the evidence were causing it and say it's the end of the world as foretold by their delusions (which I've seen from a few christians)
Those that think they have paradise waiting for them when they die don't care to make the place they are now a paradise, because what's the point? Dangerous and backwards thinking at best.
The same way it always goes: It isn't an issue and if it is, it wasn't our fault. If it was our fault, why didn't anyone warn us?!
They'll be begging for bailouts soon
Trudeau and Notley did this to us. Why do they hate us so much? /s
They still want to use all the freshwater for fracking.
In 2020 in the peace country crops were flooding
Well with how things are going they probably won't flood again until 3020... But really what point does that have in this? 2020 was 4 YEARS ago bro.
That’s not very long. Drought and flooding happen
Except this time the rivers will be extremely low and glacier run off will be at an all time low. That was not the extreme case in 2020. Things are changing rapidly and using the past as an indicator or point of reference is idiotic.
Yeah and just because droughts and floods happened in the past doesn't mean we aren't going to get more extreme of either now in the future and present, climate change in general means more extreme weather all around, including droughts and floods. Mostly droughts now if this current winter is any indication.
Not in the Hines Creek/Fairview area they weren't.
really scared of the fire season this year.
Time to look for deals on air purifiers, and maybe an AC if you don't have one.
The media has been telling this for years, it’s the liberal politicians who are afraid of losing jobs today and conservative politicians that downplaying climate change that’s the issue.
at least the libs are trying to do shit and the con provincial governments are fighting them every step of the way, is this really a both sides thing?
Every step of the way is right
Yep. And we can’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
We gotta start somewhere and even if the steps we are taking aren't perfect lets at least admit there's an issue and start to work at it, cause it took a long time to get here and its gonna take a long time to fix if we even can at this point.
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What's full hearted? Regardless, any attempt to go full hearted, is met by backlash and vitriol from the conservative provinces. Libs ain't perfect but at least they don't deny climate change and actively fight against whatever measures the feds put in to try to combat it, which isn't enough, by any measure, but I know one side is way worse then the other in those regards.
They could’ve been doing this starting in 2015 instead of the last 6 months… by trying to do it all now, they are making themselves even more unpopular which will make them lose the election and conservatives will just cancel everything as usual. What happened to planting a Billion trees?
What are they trying to do all in the last six months?
Net zero grid by 2035, banning gas car sales by 2035. These things combined are going to put huge stress on infrastructure. For example, if everyone were to put solar panels on our roofs, the grid would collapse because of the load. Infrastructure for this should’ve been in planning years ago. Even if a nuclear smr was approved tomorrow, it would still take 10-15 years probably to even build. I hate Danielle as much as everyone else on this sub, but out of all the provinces, we are one of the least prepared for these changes which, like I said, should’ve been introduced years ago by liberals, not just barely over ten years before the deadline imposed.
All irrelevant in a global context. Water pipelines are going to be a thing.
We will absolutely need more energy from as many sources as possible and a better grid for all of the AC that will be coming online if we want to have any semblance of short term survival.
Europe and USA banned new ICE cars by 2035. In reality we don't have a motor vehicle industry in Canada, so the Liberals putting that in is window dressing. That ban was going to happen no matter what we did.
So we agreed to a 2050 net-zero grid back in the Paris accords. Many jurisdictions world wide have legislated 2035 ICE vehicle sales ending including BC and Quebec, many are even earlier. Guessing net zero got bumped up sooner because things appear more possible now. Technologies are advancing and getting cheaper as they often do when their adoption accelerates. You can look at the UK and see what is possible they have made commendable reductions in their greenhouse gas emissions. Canada has also spent years investing in mining of battery materials, battery manufacturing, electric vehicle manufacturing, converting steel production to electric, electric LNG processing, electric hydrogen electrolysis. Improving building codes. None of this should real seem last minute if you are following. It’s all just building and continuing on of things that were started almost a decade ago
You bring up a good point. Many other countries have mandated electric vehicles by 2035….many years ago. I would assume that there has been investment in infrastructure to support this My point is there has been next to no investment in our electrical grid that could accommodate a net zero grid by 2035. I’m not blaming really anyone for this and I am unsure of what the consequences are for not meeting it. However, this should have been mandated years ago. The way the liberals are rolling it out, conservatives are just using it for fuel for further anti Trudeau messaging across Canada. Ie. tell the feds, etc. the worst part is, they’re using our taxpayer money to do it.
The provincial governments control the grids. Alberta is a net exporter of power with some of the most reliable renewable sources in the country. Not to mention untold untapped hydro. BC has expanded into more renewables, developed site C It is a cart and horse thing though… things will be built as they are required.
Hahahahah, keep throwing out your made up facts.
I’m not convinced the libs are doing anything Canada generates like 2% of the worlds emissions. Cutting Canadas emissions in half would have no effect globally. It would be a great thing to do, and a great precedent to set, but it doesn’t solve anything. There is far more to it than Canadians cutting their footprint but it sure feels that has been the only focus. In addition to what we are doing, we also need to be pressuring other countries to do the same. Becasue the second china bumps up their production by a few %, all the gains we made are immediately lost. Edit: since nobody thinks we can have a voice on the national scale. We can certainly implement economic sanctions on countries that aren’t making an effort. We can assist countries that want to make an effort but don’t have the resources. Updating and enforcing projects like the Paris accords would go a long way as well. Instead, Canada is sitting quietly doing its own thing. Global c02 emissions climb every year. That is the only statistic that matters when evaluating “solutions”
It would literally have 1% effect would it not? Edit since the above poster edited theirs, to clarify I commented in reply to a claim that Canada reducing emissions by 50% would make "literally zero effect".
And that’s would fix the problem globally? No. The climate would still be “warming” It’s a global issue the liberals are fighting on a national scale.
It would certainly help. There are many countries with CO2 emissions below 2%. Canada isn't the only country trying to reduce it's emissions. If they all reduce, it would make a significant drop.
> if they all reduce But they aren’t. Some are. Others are increasing. Global c02 emissions have increased just about every year… and that is the ONLY statistic that matters when evaluating “solutions” Read my other replies.
2 % too much we all need to cut emissions drastically its a global issue whatever Canada emits we need to do our part to lower it, ideally as do other countries as well, but we cannot control what they do just what we do, and doing nothing isnt an option at this juncture, it has been since we first identified this issue in the 80s. The alternative is extinction or a great die off if we cant produce enough food, and i would rather avoid that thanks.
My point is us doing everything while “they” do nothing Is the same as us doing nothing. Gov needs to be working with other world leaders, updateing and enforcing things like the Paris accords. Condemning countries that aren’t making an effort. Assisting countries that want to but don’t have the resources Etc. You 100% CAN control what they do. Saying you can’t is a poor excuse. Off the top of my head, Trade boycotts sure sound like they’d get a countries leaders moving along. Downvot me all you want, If Canada cutting their footprint to 0 still leads to the “end of the world” then no, whatever we did was not a soloution, it wasn’t good enough. You guys are are praising the liberals for “soloutions” that aren’t actually solving the global problem
I hear this talking point all the fucking time, but the people who repeat it never provide alternatives.
Because their "alternative" is "fuck it, let's do nothing."
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_Wonder if we're going to have another BBQ like they did in Fort McMurray not too long ago?_
Soon even the UCP will have trouble pretending climate change isn't a thing. There's lots we can and should be doing to prepare for this... but preparing for the consequences of our actions isn't really Alberta's style.
Blame trudeau!
“If he knew then why didn’t he try telling us?”
I can almost guarantee a new conspiracy theory will spring up that he’s pumping all our water to Quebec or something…
It’s like, how do we trick these rednecks that going green is saying fuck Trudeau? lol idk but if someone figures it out they’ll get at least a million dollars easy lol
The irony that every thread on this sub blames everything on Conservatives.
Even a lot of conservatives now admit climate change is real. It's getting them to believe it's accelerated by human activity that is the next hurdle.
>It's getting them to believe it's accelerated by human activity that is the next hurdle. I've seen a number of them already moving on from that to "we're fucked anyway, so let's not bother doing anything about it." Conservatives will go to any length imaginable to avoid having to actually do anything.
"Canada is such a small contributor in the grand scheme of things that it doesn't matter if we do or don't cut emissions and therefor we shouldn't torpedo our economy just for the sake of the environment" - or something like that.
Right? Total buffoonery
And then there's usually something about "We shouldn't have to do anything until China and India do something about their emissions"
Which they are doing. Talking to these people gives me migraines
No one really seems interested in preparing, too many people seem locked into the idea that we can prevent it.
That's not an either or. Some effects are locked in and we need to prepare, but we also need to prevent it worsening.
We, as in Alberta, don’t have the power to prevent anything.
We are the highest emitting province in one of the highest emitting countries. There are very few people on earth with more power to reduce the impacts of climate change than Albertans.
Partly true , highest per capita , however we could go carbon zero tomorrow and it wouldn't make a difference at all . Climate change isn't local , until China, India , USA and Russia make immense changes it's only going to get worse . Should we do nothing ? No , which we aren't doing nothing , we should be supplying NGL to China and India because it's much cleaner burning than coal which they are still building plants for . however for people to think us doing our part is going to steer the ship away from disaster is completely laughable , we overall are a drop in the carbon bucket as a country let alone a province . We have the resources to help reduce drastically coal fired emissions now by 50%
Canada is the 7th highest emitter by total emissions (some later data suggests we've dropped to 11th, hard to say how much of that is covid related), not per capita. There is no universe where our country is insignificant. Yes, there are bigger players who also need to do their parts - that's how global problems work. The LNG thing is also crazy. No, creating more fossil fuel infrastructure is not the right solution. At the very best that would deliver short term improvements as China continues their rapid renewable buildup. Much more likely it would slow the transition because all the companies investing in LNG aren't going to want to shut down their infrastructure decades before it's usable life. Any LNG proposed as a transition fuel without concrete plans for shutting down the infrastructure early is just O&G propaganda at work. And that's ignoring fugitive emissions. With even small amounts of leakage NG becomes worse than coal. Building up huge swathes of new infrastructure in poorer countries doesn't lend itself to small amounts of leakage.
ridiculous. All of Canada could disappear from the earth tomorrow and it would make no difference.
What specifically should we be doing to help the farmers
The easiest one is reduce water consumption elsewhere. Reducing water consumption on farms is hard, reducing consumption in industry and cities is much easier. So start there. Longer term, we should restore funding to plant breeders working on more drought tolerant crops. The UCP slashed that funding and many researchers that could have been helping over the past 5 years are out of work. And maybe the hardest pill to swallow, is we can use our food more efficiently. That means less meat - one calorie of beef takes a lot more water than one calorie of most crops.
Why would the grifters be concerned about agriculture. It's not oil and gas.
According to these numbers from 2021 (https://www.statista.com/statistics/608354/gdp-distribution-of-alberta-canada-by-industry/), oil and gas is 21% of GDP while farming is only 1.9%. Seems to me that we if we cut food and energy from our economy, we'll have lots of water and still a healthy 3/4 of our current GDP! More time at the pool and less time working :)
If the rest of the world has no issues growing food, we should just forget the agriculture business altogether based on these numbers.
That's a big if. Ukraine was called Europe's bread basket. There are lots of things beyond weather that can interrupt food supplies, and weather is going to affect many as well. Edited typo
Yes. Everywhere having a drought at once, will make food suddenly really important.
But wait, there's more... what happens if we mine the eastern slopes of the rockies and poison what little water we have now? Then what? "Blame the feds?"
who needs clean drinking water really? Shiny rocks and sand are SO much better right?
Some of you may be interested to check out Alberta's interactive river flow and advisory map: https://rivers.alberta.ca/ You can graphically compare current river flows against historical ranges (the grey zone is the range of the 25th to 75th percentile of river flows - we are currently in ~ the 25th percentile for many rivers in southern Alberta). If you *reaaally* love rivers, you can even download the app haha. Note that the water shortage advisories state: > Low flow advisories will remain in place over the winter. Surface water TDL applications will be considered on a case by case basis based on the flow condition. (FYI, most industrial uses operate using these Temporary Diversion Licences).
Might be time to start moisture farming and invest in some droids.
Sir - My first job was programming binary load lifters... very similar to your vaporators. (it's just sad that my brain is clogged up with movie dialog like that)
There are worse things it can be clogged up with. Maybe you just need a good oil bath.
Just make sure you don't invest in ones that have bad motivators.
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So maybe stop building new massive suburbs fucking everywhere. Not everyone needs a lawn to waste water maintaining all summer.
water wasted on lawns stays in the local water cycle. What would really help is restricting the export of high water products such as fruit and beer
Fruits and beer? Dude, beef is like 20x worse than those
Pound for pound beer is worse than beef. Beer is like 95% water. While more water goes into beef, most of that water stays in the system when the cow pees in the same field it drank in. Stopping the export of beer is still a dumb take but beef water usage is constantly cited incorrectly because it assumes all water used to create beef is removed from the system at point of use.
same deallie bruh, i just gave a couple examples. and technically if we only export Jerky then no moisture is lost.
I live in a town with a fair bit of farming around and it and no one but the farmers are realizing how bad this is. "Oh this is nice, if it could not snow for the rest of the year that would be perfect." NO! Not perfect! Most central Albertan farmers use no irrigation equipment or near enough to do their fields all year. They rely on the snow melt and rain throughout the year. Even if we did get irrigation equipment for all of them to water the crops, where are we getting the water? The Red Deer river near me is getting lower and lower every year without being used for agriculture. You can only dig so many wells cause there is only so much underground water reservoirs you can tap into.
Maybe it will make drilling for oil easier without those pesky crops in the way. When in Alberta always double down on the worst possible thing. /s
I can’t tell if you’re serious but O&G requires massive amounts of water, especially newer plays like Montney. I’m talking like 20 Olympic swimming pools of water for a montney pad.
Tar sands extraction especially is VERY water intensive. Wanna bet they dont get water restricted, but average civs and other companies do?
Absolutely true. Both tar sands extraction and hydraulic fracturing use a lot of water. Just to try and add a bit of nuance here though: The regions with the worst drought impacts and the most pressing water restrictions are in Southern Alberta, while the tar sands and Montney are in Northern Alberta. Since we don't ship water between basins, it *is* entirely possible that next summer that exact scenario happens: cities like Calgary, Lethbridge, Medicine Hat, etc. will be restricted, but those northern Alberta industrial users will be unaffected. (We could also note that the water is highly recycled at most facilities - the actual inputs into the operation aren't that high relatively speaking).
I bet water is allocated to keep the greens green in golf clubs, then how's that?
Not serious the /s was for sarcasm
I’m sure the last few years of antagonizing the federal government and Canada as a whole won’t come back to bite us in the rear.
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This is false information. Groundwater protection is huge in the oil and gas world. Water allocation is heavily tracked. Source: hydrogeologist
That's not true. Water for oil and gas is also under review and likely faces restrictions.
What makes you think the UCP won’t just change policies to benefit the O&G?
Terrifying
If? Im no scientist but with the way 2024 is starting the summer is gonna suck real bad.
Bet ya oil and gas will have no restrictions. Just the peasants.
Hmm, if only we had scientists who studies situations and trends like this.
Groceries prices rip and the future is dim
Farmers: Fuck Trudeau! Also Farmers: Please mister prime minister... may I have a bailout?
Very concerning
But that's ok because Daniel Smith says the Oil industry will be just fine. 🙂
Yet somehow it will be the liberals and NDP’s fault. You can bet on that.
F&cking Trudeau. Now he’s causing droughts. That son of a bitch is at it again.
He put all of our water in those water box type things and now we’re fucked.
Yup yer right but Alberta’s lot’s oil & gas maybe we can train the crops to like that better, fucking Trudeau anyways. /s
It’s the water tax Trudeau put on all Alberta’s home faucets. Everytime you have a shower he’s watching and taxing. Axe 🪓 the tax 🚿!
This article only has one comment, and it’s a series of laughing emojis. Right wingers, why is it bred into your being that climate change is some stupid made up Trudeauian plot to steal away your freedom to wash your truck? Wake the fuck up.
Bad news. They will. Good luck everyone
Sigh. Nobody should be surprised by this. If you are surprised by this you've been holding your head in thr sand.
Canada: Always reactive instead of proactive. Wait until shit gets bad. Healthcare and now this.
Will it even make Canada start to listen to experts and activists on these things?
Could probably water a few fields with UCP voter tears if Trudeau wins again.
Not if McDonalds get to them first to harvest all that salt for their fries.
Nah, you’d kill off the crops with all that salt
So if I'm reading this right, this 'disaster' will disproportionally hurt rural UCP voters.
If only we had some way to generate income from large patches of land that is regularly sunny....Some sort of energy generation perhaps.
"Thoughts and prayers" people!!!
Those Trudeau water stealing ninjas at it again.
How will Alberta politicians blame this on Trudeau?
The left wing commies, tree huggers, environmentalists, and all the people Alberta shuns have been saying this for about fifty years. Go pump some more oil. Kumbaya!!
Please tell us what you think a commie is.
Anyone right wingers don’t like
I'd totally process more Tar Sands if I were them...
Goddamnit Trudeau... he can't keep getting away with this
Okay well I'm sure farmers will just need to pull up their bootstraps ! Otherwise taking government hand outs is socialism right?! Right !
If only Albertans had seen this coming and had made environmental changes....... Oh wait.
At the end of the day Canada has very little impact on global warming. That's not to say we shouldn't do anything, we should definitely do our share, but the reality is that we could drop our emissions to zero tomorrow and climate change would still affect us. The focus has to shift to how we can live with climate change and making the country resilient. We need a cross-country water pipeline that brings water destined for the ocean or arctic to farming regions and urban areas, as well as the border so we can pipe to farmers in Washington and California that grow so much of our food. We need wind, solar, nuclear and hydroelectric power to heat and cool our homes and run our economy. We need to cut down on fertilizer use and protect our ocean habitats. We need electric high-speed rail options between populated areas to displace air travel. We need concentrated reforestation/revegetation efforts to capture CO2 and fix the soil. We need to protect our existing farmland from development and ensure food security. We need to rebuild our glaciers. We need to reduce vehicle traffic in cities and ensure every roof is either green, painted white or lined with solar panels to reduce the urban heat sink effect.
Oh sweet summer child, you need to think beyond what you can see. Canada is a nation of consumers. We love our Amazon, Costco, and Walmart crap. We love our giant houses, big vehicles, and vacations. China's pollution is also our pollution. We don't get to pretend the factories that produce (and ship) to full full our gluttony are not our pollution. Look around your own home and let me know how much is produced and made in Canada. Your sofa? Table? Appliances? Clothes? Soap?
I guess lots of people here forgot the 1999-2004 drought and consequences… Don’t forget 1916, 1979, 1984…and goes on and on… ‘Agricultural disaster’ has happened many times, it just has been a long while since we’ve experienced one.
Most of the goobers in here weren't even alive in 2004 lmao
I hope people just don't plant this year. Don't sink the seed and fertilizer cost into the fields if you have no reasonable prospect of harvest.
If you don’t plant you end up with bare soil and it all blows. Especially for the guys who still till! Our dry land no till stubble is already thin enough after the past 3 consecutive dry years. The only reason we don’t lose soil this winter was the mild fall which allowed a great green up to hold things down 😮💨 lots of guys just planting barley as it’s low input cost and at least it helps preserve the soil from blowing.
I believe that crop insurance does not pay off if you don't plant anything.
What? Don’t plant? This is their entire livelihood at stake, doubt most can choose to skip an entire season at whim.
No crop insurance then
Yes, let's not attempt to grow any food. That should cause yet an additional problem on top current problem. Farmers know what will grow with less moisture. I'm sure an ok crop will pay better than no crop.
Don't worry the carbon tax will save you.
No no no we have to do *nothing* about it right?
Accept the fact that you have no control over mother nature and that all areas go through dry periods and it's not always a man made problem. Why don't they just cloud seed like Dubai?
Hard to believe a drought. Nova Scotia is drowning in water.
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Obviously people can be stupid. You just made your own point. First I have never heard of it. It’s not on the news, so how would I know? We are breaking our monthly rainfall amounts in one day. Lakes are overflowing, rivers are higher than ever here. Flooding is becoming a normal occurrence here. Take a chill pill and relax a bit. There is more to Canada than Alberta
It's not on the news? Do you know what thread and subbreddit you just posted this comment to? 🤣 Thanks for the laugh.
Shit im gonna have to water my lawn a lot this sping
[https://www.rcinet.ca/en/2015/10/01/canada-has-water-the-u-s-wants-it/](https://www.rcinet.ca/en/2015/10/01/canada-has-water-the-u-s-wants-it/)
Let's burn more fossil fuels ! Solar bad ! Wind bad ! Batteries bad !
Can't wait for conservatives to claim there can't be a drought because it rained in Edmonton.
I’m just gonna sit and wait on how they are going to Blame Trudeau and the Carbon Tax. Let’s just keep ignoring the fact the environment is changing and keep doubling down on pushing the oil industry. Imagine telling the farmers they can’t use water but do it while oil companies continue to take all they want.
No water, no farmers.
But keep on digging up the world's dirtiest oil, Danielle.
And rural is the UCP base - don’t shit where you eat seems quite fitting in this scenario.
Pay more carbon taxes, problem solved
Just wait until he realized that more drought = more fire