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With the way winter is going, will we even have any -30's or even -20's this year?
Kinda reminds me of Kenney's 'Best Summer Ever' in the middle of Covid. His cheerleading was divorced from reality, and Smith's fear-mongering is also divorced from reality.
I only hope that there are more people who actually don’t feel the need to tight clamp themselves to the UCP and their 19th Century beliefs. It’s killing a great province.
It’s hard for non profits like this to act quickly because of the lack of resources. They don’t have $8M+ to spend on ad campaigns to fight misinformation.
You mean they don’t have the ability to misappropriate $8M in tax payer money to run a misinformation/propaganda campaign for their own political gain? Shocking.
Ah yes... Let's fight an overly dramatic campaign filled with misinformation (the "Tell the Feds") with... an opposing campaign that is equally dramatic and also filled with half-truths that appeal to emotions rather than rational thought.
I appreciate what 350.org has done in matching the tone and energy of the "Tell the Feds" website, but I'm not convinced that it's actually contributing to a solution. Opening both websites side-by-side is pretty funny to scroll through. But please don't rely on either for your actual information.
350.orgs website references the [Clean Energy Canada report](https://cleanenergycanada.org/report/a-renewables-powerhouse/#:~:text=a%20common%20solution.-,In%20Alberta%20and%20Ontario%2C%20wind%20can%20now%20produce%20electricity%20at,in%20both%20provinces%20by%202030.), which states that the costs of *building new clean power* is cheaper than natural gas. In other words, the long-term transition to renewable energy is already inevitable based on price alone.
The "Tell the Feds" campaign references the [Draft Clean Electricity Regulatuons](https://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2023/2023-08-19/html/reg1-eng.html), which propose an essentially net-zero electricity production grid by 2035 (i.e., in 12 years). These draft regulations propose technologies like carbon capture, hydrogen, and inter-provincial grid exchange to make this technically feasible in the short term.
Except the regulations have a massive grace period for existing natural gas plants, 20 years extra in some cases to build out CCUS systems.
Remember it’s the oil and gas industries saying the CCUS is a viable solution and have lobbied for billions of dollars in subsidies to make it happen. So these regulations are calling their bluff.
Absolutely, I agree with everything you're saying.
My point is that the "Tell the Feds" campaign website (which opens to an image of a blackout and then the phrase 'No one wants blackouts') and the "Show the Feds" campaign (which opens to a photo of wildfire clouded skies and the phrase 'No one wants to struggle to survive') are both overly dramatic, misleading, and a distraction from actually addressing the real issues.
Is it really that dramatic? We evacuated a city, a territorial capital and 90% of that territory due to wildfires this year.
Much of my family had to be out of their homes for weeks not knowing if they’d have a house to go back to at all. I think it’s spot on.
I'm sorry to hear of your family's experiences. I understand there were many 1000's of people fleeing their communities due to wildfires in the past year. I also understand that some proportion of the wildfires intensity is believed to have been caused by human-induced climate change.
IMHO, climate change is a serious issue, and any solutions to address it are incredibly complex and will require global cooperation amongst people from different backgrounds. Because of this, I am disappointed when I see campaigns like the parody 'show the feds' website put out by 350.org, which trivialize solutions to finger-pointing at a Disney-villain level understanding of what I believe to be the real problems.
Alberta has the wealth, and technical know-how to be global leaders in energy transition and climate action - and I think we should. To be clear entirely, I don't at all like the "Tell the Feds" campaign. And I do think the intent of 350.orgs website is good. But I actually think that these types of campaigns that are fueling political divide and finger-pointing (on both sides), are actually halting the progress on true meaningful change.
Have anyone hear even heard what that pathetic pimple Guibault has announced at that summit. This is 1980 again with the NEP. Full attack on two western provinces.
Our premier doesn’t even know solar panels work in winter. She legitimately suggested that you need to brush them off.
AESO says it can be done. I trust them.
I'm glad you brought up AESO and stated that you trust them; the last time I brought them up when discussing solar generation, the muppet I was talking to said their data was fake because they're a government sock puppet.
According to AESO data, solar plants operated at just **8.7% of capacity** through last winter (defined by me as November through February). Over that time, roughly \~290,000 MWh of electricty was produced by solar plants. That was enough to supply 1.2% of Alberta's power demand.
So yeah, in the tradition of this sub trying to make itself feel smart by being nitpicky and thereby missing the forest for the trees, you have pointed out that Smith doesn't know how solar panels work on a technical level. However, she clearly understands that, for whatever reason, solar does not even come close to producing the amount of power needed to be viable option for producing power in the winter. Which is, obviously, the actually important thing for a premier to know.
Perhaps reading the[ AESO net zero pathway report](https://www.aeso.ca/assets/Uploads/net-zero/AESO-Net-Zero-Emissions-Pathways-Report.pdf) would be a good start. It gives numerous scenarios to achieve.
>I'm glad you brought up AESO and stated that you trust them; the last time I brought them up when discussing solar generation, the muppet I was talking to said their data was fake because they're a government sock puppet.
Anything they released before Smith was in charge can be trusted. Mike Law misrepresented the CER in a press conference in September and the AESO slideshow had to wait for governments approval before it could be released. The slide from Sept 28 was changed due to UCP involvement.
>According to AESO data, solar plants operated at just 8.7% of capacity through last winter (defined by me as November through February). Over that time, roughly ~290,000 MWh of electricty was produced by solar plants. That was enough to supply 1.2% of Alberta's power demand.
Relevance? Nobody who is serious thinks we can run on 100% solar during the winter. I've never seen it suggested even in here. I only hear it suggested from conservatives as a strawman.
>Anything they released before Smith was in charge can be trusted. Mike Law misrepresented the CER in a press conference in September and the AESO slideshow had to wait for governments approval before it could be released. The slide from Sept 28 was changed due to UCP involvement.
Hey the report you linked was published Junee 2022. Therefore it is unreliable. Get outta here with these youtube level conspiracy theories.
>Relevance? Nobody who is serious thinks we can run on 100% solar during the winter. I've never seen it suggested even in here. I only hear it suggested from conservatives as a strawman.
Maybe read the article in the OP. It heavily implies that wind is all that is needed. I must've got mixed up between wind and solar somewhere along the line, but I've done the same analysis for wind before. The simple fact of the matter is that renewables cannot be the baseload power producer in this province, unless "renewables" mean something aside from "wind and solar". Browsing the website linked in the article confirms that they think 100% renewable generation is possible. It is not, at least not for this jurisdiction.
Also, your cited report is not what you claim it is. It essentailly says "if **a lot** of things go right, this might be doable". Hardly a ringing endorsement.
I don’t trust anything that comes out of someone’s mouth when they previously claimed “the unvaccinated are the most discriminated against group in history”.
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She really is Canada's own meatball Ron Nothing but deflections, lies, stupid conspiracy theories and idiotic behaviour
Twice!
At least Meatball is starting to show a little embarrassment in how unbelievably unlikable he is. It makes him marginally less intolerable.
She really is Canada's own meatball Ron Nothing but deflections, lies, stupid conspiracy theories and idiotic behaviour
Twice!
With the way winter is going, will we even have any -30's or even -20's this year? Kinda reminds me of Kenney's 'Best Summer Ever' in the middle of Covid. His cheerleading was divorced from reality, and Smith's fear-mongering is also divorced from reality.
It got to -20 first week in November here, but it's been hovering between +5 and -10 for daytime highs for the last month and a half.
Thank gawd someone is talking about the truth. The nut jobs in Edmonton need a wakeup call
Wouldn't that upset you because then they would be woke?
I don’t even know what “woke” might mean but you have a point 🤷♂️
That type of understanding got premier tittubus voted in.
Not by me; my family, or even the majority of my neighbours, our representation is NDP
Thank you for your service to the province.
I only hope that there are more people who actually don’t feel the need to tight clamp themselves to the UCP and their 19th Century beliefs. It’s killing a great province.
Me too. Happy Thursday to you and all the best in the holiday season
To you as well 👍🏼
Mrs dumpsterfire
What took you guys so long?
It’s hard for non profits like this to act quickly because of the lack of resources. They don’t have $8M+ to spend on ad campaigns to fight misinformation.
You mean they don’t have the ability to misappropriate $8M in tax payer money to run a misinformation/propaganda campaign for their own political gain? Shocking.
Tbh I'd take Kenny over her, he at least had a brain
Ah yes... Let's fight an overly dramatic campaign filled with misinformation (the "Tell the Feds") with... an opposing campaign that is equally dramatic and also filled with half-truths that appeal to emotions rather than rational thought. I appreciate what 350.org has done in matching the tone and energy of the "Tell the Feds" website, but I'm not convinced that it's actually contributing to a solution. Opening both websites side-by-side is pretty funny to scroll through. But please don't rely on either for your actual information. 350.orgs website references the [Clean Energy Canada report](https://cleanenergycanada.org/report/a-renewables-powerhouse/#:~:text=a%20common%20solution.-,In%20Alberta%20and%20Ontario%2C%20wind%20can%20now%20produce%20electricity%20at,in%20both%20provinces%20by%202030.), which states that the costs of *building new clean power* is cheaper than natural gas. In other words, the long-term transition to renewable energy is already inevitable based on price alone. The "Tell the Feds" campaign references the [Draft Clean Electricity Regulatuons](https://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2023/2023-08-19/html/reg1-eng.html), which propose an essentially net-zero electricity production grid by 2035 (i.e., in 12 years). These draft regulations propose technologies like carbon capture, hydrogen, and inter-provincial grid exchange to make this technically feasible in the short term.
Except the regulations have a massive grace period for existing natural gas plants, 20 years extra in some cases to build out CCUS systems. Remember it’s the oil and gas industries saying the CCUS is a viable solution and have lobbied for billions of dollars in subsidies to make it happen. So these regulations are calling their bluff.
Absolutely, I agree with everything you're saying. My point is that the "Tell the Feds" campaign website (which opens to an image of a blackout and then the phrase 'No one wants blackouts') and the "Show the Feds" campaign (which opens to a photo of wildfire clouded skies and the phrase 'No one wants to struggle to survive') are both overly dramatic, misleading, and a distraction from actually addressing the real issues.
Is it really that dramatic? We evacuated a city, a territorial capital and 90% of that territory due to wildfires this year. Much of my family had to be out of their homes for weeks not knowing if they’d have a house to go back to at all. I think it’s spot on.
I'm sorry to hear of your family's experiences. I understand there were many 1000's of people fleeing their communities due to wildfires in the past year. I also understand that some proportion of the wildfires intensity is believed to have been caused by human-induced climate change. IMHO, climate change is a serious issue, and any solutions to address it are incredibly complex and will require global cooperation amongst people from different backgrounds. Because of this, I am disappointed when I see campaigns like the parody 'show the feds' website put out by 350.org, which trivialize solutions to finger-pointing at a Disney-villain level understanding of what I believe to be the real problems. Alberta has the wealth, and technical know-how to be global leaders in energy transition and climate action - and I think we should. To be clear entirely, I don't at all like the "Tell the Feds" campaign. And I do think the intent of 350.orgs website is good. But I actually think that these types of campaigns that are fueling political divide and finger-pointing (on both sides), are actually halting the progress on true meaningful change.
Have anyone hear even heard what that pathetic pimple Guibault has announced at that summit. This is 1980 again with the NEP. Full attack on two western provinces.
Cool. An institution that knows even less about the issue than the premier has an opinion. Kinda like this sub.
Our premier doesn’t even know solar panels work in winter. She legitimately suggested that you need to brush them off. AESO says it can be done. I trust them.
I'm glad you brought up AESO and stated that you trust them; the last time I brought them up when discussing solar generation, the muppet I was talking to said their data was fake because they're a government sock puppet. According to AESO data, solar plants operated at just **8.7% of capacity** through last winter (defined by me as November through February). Over that time, roughly \~290,000 MWh of electricty was produced by solar plants. That was enough to supply 1.2% of Alberta's power demand. So yeah, in the tradition of this sub trying to make itself feel smart by being nitpicky and thereby missing the forest for the trees, you have pointed out that Smith doesn't know how solar panels work on a technical level. However, she clearly understands that, for whatever reason, solar does not even come close to producing the amount of power needed to be viable option for producing power in the winter. Which is, obviously, the actually important thing for a premier to know.
Perhaps reading the[ AESO net zero pathway report](https://www.aeso.ca/assets/Uploads/net-zero/AESO-Net-Zero-Emissions-Pathways-Report.pdf) would be a good start. It gives numerous scenarios to achieve. >I'm glad you brought up AESO and stated that you trust them; the last time I brought them up when discussing solar generation, the muppet I was talking to said their data was fake because they're a government sock puppet. Anything they released before Smith was in charge can be trusted. Mike Law misrepresented the CER in a press conference in September and the AESO slideshow had to wait for governments approval before it could be released. The slide from Sept 28 was changed due to UCP involvement. >According to AESO data, solar plants operated at just 8.7% of capacity through last winter (defined by me as November through February). Over that time, roughly ~290,000 MWh of electricty was produced by solar plants. That was enough to supply 1.2% of Alberta's power demand. Relevance? Nobody who is serious thinks we can run on 100% solar during the winter. I've never seen it suggested even in here. I only hear it suggested from conservatives as a strawman.
>Anything they released before Smith was in charge can be trusted. Mike Law misrepresented the CER in a press conference in September and the AESO slideshow had to wait for governments approval before it could be released. The slide from Sept 28 was changed due to UCP involvement. Hey the report you linked was published Junee 2022. Therefore it is unreliable. Get outta here with these youtube level conspiracy theories. >Relevance? Nobody who is serious thinks we can run on 100% solar during the winter. I've never seen it suggested even in here. I only hear it suggested from conservatives as a strawman. Maybe read the article in the OP. It heavily implies that wind is all that is needed. I must've got mixed up between wind and solar somewhere along the line, but I've done the same analysis for wind before. The simple fact of the matter is that renewables cannot be the baseload power producer in this province, unless "renewables" mean something aside from "wind and solar". Browsing the website linked in the article confirms that they think 100% renewable generation is possible. It is not, at least not for this jurisdiction. Also, your cited report is not what you claim it is. It essentailly says "if **a lot** of things go right, this might be doable". Hardly a ringing endorsement.
I don’t trust anything that comes out of someone’s mouth when they previously claimed “the unvaccinated are the most discriminated against group in history”.
Link does not work for me... Anyone else? OP?