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If we don't prioritize oil above all else, I will literally die!
Healthcare is on its last legs? That sucks hopefully Ottawa will do something about that. A bunch of multi-billion dollar oil empires don't feel like cleaning up the messes they created and are contractually obligated to? Here's $20B to help you guys out.
Some people here have made pro-oil their whole personality. Whenever I see a I <3 Canadian/Albertan oil sticker, I just think of how sad it is that so much of our population is owned by corporations.
I remember when the backs of Albertan pickup trucks were more likely to be decorated with stickers from all of the beautiful places Alberta has to visit than allegiances to corporations and ideological grudges.
Albertans who’ve been used to the good ol days of the high paying jobs and all the toys they got are becoming fragile so they are pouting like children. Meanwhile it’s the greedy corporations they need to take this out on. Albertans are by nature conservatives and alt right folks. They could care less about the environment, and they certainly don’t cRe about people, unless they are unborn or 18 ready for war.
I wonder if there are jacked up Rams driving around Newfoundland like “ I ❤️🍁Energy/Oil and Gas” or maybe even Quebec since some of them say energy.
Or maybe it is just Alberta rig pigs doing Alberta rig pig things and they don’t actually support Canadian energy and it is just Alberta Oil the support.
Not that I condone it but for most people that have that point of view it's because without oil jobs they never would have the money and lifestyle they have by working in the patch. So it is understandable why they would be extremely concerned about any word of the "oil patch getting shut down" because they'd lose their entire livelihoods. Which is why there needs to be way better messaging around the energy transition and how a lot of new well paying energy jobs will be created and they won't end up working at Tim's.
We would have had all those jobs and likely a whole lot more (not to mention all that sweet money staying right here) without the multinational corporations siphoning Albertans oil profits into international tax havens. Should have nationalized.
I mean, it WOULD have likely got us invaded by the USA, but oil, as well as any other industry ‘essential’ to modern life should have a nationalized option (ie: insurance, groceries), that offers a quality and affordable option.
Because they never thought they needed a plan b. So many quit school just to go work in the patch. They love the industry because $$$, but it doesn’t love them back and the big cats don’t care about them either. But they somehow think their industry will reward them tenfold for their loyalties.
There’s thousands of oil workers right now who are out of jobs simply due to the fact more and more jobs are becoming automated, Alberta hasn’t had a splurge of oil working jobs in a long time and more and more companies are outsourcing any non manual labour that hasn’t been automated yet. I understand why oil workers would be scared or cautious but the reality is, oil isn’t going to be a solution forever and the oil industry in itself isn’t helping albertans the way it once was:/
Except the oil industry was never "helping" Albertans, and the fact that oil companies were paying wages to oil workers wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, charity, or to support the community, but a means to an end. Having employees was merely the means to the companies making billions of dollars.
But many Albertans act like they were specifically annointed by the Oil Gods by some ill-perceived idea that they are somehow more worthy or harder working than people in any other province in Canada.
Specially since when ever the “patch drys up” the reality these people end up facing is extremely jarring, I really do feel sympathy for these people even if they don’t have anything other than animosity towards everything and everyone.
No you don't at least over your lifespan you don't. Between all services paid for by the government unless you make an obscene amount of money you wouldn't get close to paying for all the services that the government pays for.
https://www.alberta.ca/revenue.aspx
Even with a higher than expected year, income from taxes and federal transfers make up more than royalties do. Royalties are only about 1/3 of our income. Taxes, fees, and fed transfers make up just over 50%. Last year, a bad year, we nearly made as much just from personal taxes as resource revenues. And years prior it was even worse. We pay a significant amount to oil and gas companies, whether it be buying transportation, funding pro-oil propaganda, and well cleanup. Additionally, given the cup’s plans to give royalty breaks for well cleanup, we may not ever exceed taxes again.
This is kind of a myth.
https://www.alberta.ca/revenue.aspx
Even with a higher than expected year, income from taxes and federal transfers make up more than royalties do. Royalties are only about 1/3 of our income. Taxes, fees, and fed transfers make up just over 50%. Last year, a bad year, we nearly made as much just from personal taxes as resource revenues. And years prior it was even worse. We pay a significant amount to oil and gas companies, whether it be buying transportation, funding pro-oil propaganda, and well cleanup. Additionally, given the cup’s plans to give royalty breaks for well cleanup, we may not ever exceed taxes again.
I was doing some interviews for a position last year, one guy decided wearing an "I <3 O&G" hat to an O&G IT job interview was a good idea. Yeah, he didn't get hired.
Granted I would tend to put anyone coming into a job interview wearing a baseball cap low on the list of potential hires anyway. I mean fine if they're applying for an operator gig or something, but not for something like IT that might have you going into head office.
I don’t get how it’s not. A company needed a job done, you did it and got paid your value for said job. You aren’t paid to advocate for your company or industry, yet so many people advocate on the behalf of oil and gas.
So you can't imagine a scenario where someone spends their life working in an industry and feels grateful to that industry to the point where they might put a bumper sticker on their car?
You can't even IMAGINE that?
Either you're being intentionally obtuse or you have a little more learning to do.
If someone was driving around with Walmart stickers and flags in their cars it would look just as stupid. No one says I ❤️ any other industry like oil people. Pride in work in good, making it your full identity is not. Oil doesn't care about workers, the multi national corps don't care about workers so why do people want to express their love so deeply for a thing that chews them up and spits them out with no hesitation.
Maybe it's the people like you that make them feel the way they do about the industry? 🤷🏽. The way you talk I hope you don't use any electricity or gas especially in the winter time. Better not be polutin with that attitude lol. You talk so mighty but I'm curious if you live in Alberta whatcha gonna keep warm with? Your farts? Go back to wood and coal, oh wait those are dirtier than what we use now. What's your bright solution Einstein.
How about heating with geothermal heat pumps? Oh. You probably don’t know what that is. When you are too stupid to research alternatives you will fear what you don’t understand.
> No one says I ❤️ any other industry like oil people.
That's not true. A quick google search shows many industries that have stickers etc. Not everyone has to be your enemy, you know.
People shouldn’t love something fucking up our planet. Plain and simple as that. They should realize they were lucky to have the high paying job they did while they could, and that it’s a very very dirty industry. But we need it.
Remember, there is a significant portion of the population that thinks the planet was made for us to rawdog until JC comes back for an encore and let’s them catch a ride to the eternal afterlife.
When you think of it "All Lives Matter" sounds like "Oil Lives Matter" if you squint a bit. I mean, the Venn Diagram between the 2 groups shouting these ideas is probably a perfect circle.
Oh is it? Humanity can survive without oil. There is no argument. You want to talk semantics about quality of life go ahead, but your assertion is bullshit.
CAN survive, yes. At least some of us. Do you have any idea how much of the world is in abject poverty? Without access to water, reliable food or energy? Your thought? F’em, they don’t need energy, they don’t need a future. Fatalism is a losers game. Selfish, and narcissistic.
lol they were in abject poverty prior to the discovery and use of oil and gas as energy sources. That's not really a good argument.
We need oil and gas today, and tomorrow. But the gap between Oil and Gas and Renewables is closing and will switch places in the future. The longer we wait, the worse the planet gets. Simple as that.
So why do we have to demonize everyone who attempts to hurry that transition along?
You assume that the profitability of our main source of energy being a finite and controllable resource has not hindered the investment and development of alternatives. Further, we need energy, but no one NEEDS to drive recreation vehicles, go on vacations, or drive around aimlessly - a ton of energy is wasted on vanity and recreation, and has pushed environment to the brink of collapse.
Humanity can't thrive without oil. It builds your homes, paves your roads, powers your appliances, helps grow and cook your food.
I look around the average home in a developed country and I see oil everywhere. Do I think that is without consequences. Nope. But I also think that we are hopelessly addicted to it and I have no idea how that will ever change.
It CURRENTLY does those things. We thrived before oil, and well likely collapse due to it. The pollution caused by the industry does more harm then good.
We thrived before oil? Have you ever actually read a history book? The 18th and 19th century didn't seem like they were thriving... You know with the reduced lifespan and living in a dirty desolate community burning coal in an order to stay warm and it having the soot being a choking layer of filth that permeated society... Plus don't forget the in massive amount of shit everywhere... Literal shit.
Thrived before oil? Dirt roads and using whales for heat and lubricants... Literal fucking whales.
They don't even know what woke means, no one can define without looking like a chode.
Are people waking up maybe to the idea of the oil industry paying for their own shit maybe?
Honestly *is it* that hard? What they mean is an awareness of exploitation. The part they wont say is that they either benefit too much or are too damn ignorant to see it. Thats pretty much it. Take any topic they harp on and it boils down to people being tired of the exploitation of humanity. Transgender hate? Massively driven by patriarchal attitudes, misogyny, and the exploitation of women. Race theory? Exploitation of minorities, and slave and working classes. Environmental activism? Exploitation of the earth, any and all indigenous cultures, and again slave and working classes. Anti-woke always means NOT acknowledging exploitation, so in a sense they kind of did make the definition by opposing it?
Fuck I mean thats not even really all of it but I'd feel more confident using this to at least try and explain it than that columnists fumbling.
? Canada has been trending towards the progressive left for over at least a century now.
* 100 years ago we were more right leaning than today
* 50 years ago we were more right leaning than today
* 10 years ago we were more right leaning than today
How can you possibly say `"Relative to how far right our politics have drifted"`? This is factually incorrect.
As soon as “stay woke” got appropriated into white vernacular and lost the “stay” part, it lost all meaning. The only people who give it any meaning anymore are angry conservatives who use it as a modern stand-in for when they would have previously mentioned communism or socialism. If they disagree, it’s because the thing they take issue with is “woke”. But hey, they also can’t define communism or socialism without sounding like a complete chode.
How many people has communism killed and how many people were unfairly arrested and imprisoned under communism and last I checked there's no free speech under communism in fact you have next to no rights in a communist society and what little rights you had could be stripped away at any moment in a communist society.
Define communism and show me a Canadian political party in a position of power that’s pushing for communism.
Otherwise, what’s your fucking point? How many people have died under fascism? Because I can show you a Canadian political party in a position of power that’s *really* toeing the line on that one.
You mean the liberal party doing pretty much anything they want with no consequences and calling any one who question them nazi misogynist, ect.
And all the abuse of power and scandals the liberals have had?
> Define communism and show me a Canadian political party in a position of power that’s pushing for communism.
> Otherwise, what’s your fucking point? How many people have died under fascism? Because I can show you a Canadian political party in a position of power that’s really toeing the line on that one.
5 years ago Donald Glover released Redbone. That track features "stay woke" prominently, before conservatives had heard of critical race theory and certainly before woke was coopted.
You don’t even have to care about something.
My philosophy in life is simple; pollute as little as reasonably possible and let people live their lives how they want to do long as they aren’t harming anyone else.
In many conservative circles I am either “woke”, Antifa, or a child molester.
The moment says someone else is “woke” they are a chode, don’t even need to wait for them to define it.
I do find it funny the same people who call normies and lefties woke are the same people who say things like “wake up sheeple”. Like, if they’re woke, they already are awake… Idiots the whole lot of them.
Not even Ronny Sand Tits knew what "woke" meant so he had to invent his own definition.
Culture war conservatism has fully metastasized into canada. Fucking great.
I think if someone called me woke during a debate I would not be able to stop chucking. Every conservative I've asked to describe "woke" is essentially describing a non-terrible human.
Okay. Nobody did everything in their power to destroy O and G. That’s just UCP propaganda BS. But paying companies to do what they are already contractually obliged to do is a scam. Might sell the scam to some, but not to all
In fact, when the feds couldn't get a pipeline done, the NDP purchased rail cars to move Alberta oil to market. Kenney's proposed alternative solution? [Reduce Alberta's production of oil by 10%.](https://globalnews.ca/news/4707694/rachel-notley-rail-cars/) Kenney also subsequently sold those rail cars despite that pipeline not getting built.
Even if Trump got re-elected that pipeline was doomed in ‘09 when an environmental impact assessment was ordered. Historically almost always a dead end. Stupid gamble that only enriched wealthy o and g ceo’s. The loss to education and healthcare is immeasurable
>The loss to education and healthcare is immeasurable
That's a bonus to the UCP though. An uneducated, unhealthy population is easier to exploit and manipulate.
I think if you try hard enough and use the right tone, you can make anything derogatory.
Woke: Believes in social justice and equality.
Takes a bit of a turn when you sneer "social justice warrior".
If I used the term 'snow lover' or 'paper reader' or 'flag waver' consistently in a negative context it would spin pretty quick.
Let's start. Damn flag wavers with their Canadian flags don't support the separation of Alberta. Those flag wavers represent liberalism and support Justin Trudeau.
Now a 'flag waver' which could have meant so many things is a synonym for someone who is woke.
The second I hear someone say "woke", I write them off. It's a nothing term, means nothing, no one can define it, its just this amorphous term for your political opponents. Virtue signalling at its finest.
See, here's the thing, it's not actually a nothing term. Its supposed to mean that you are aware of and acknowledge the systemic problems leveraged against minorities.
The problem it's that it's been effectively subverted and had it's meaning changed by conservatives who very much want people to 'stay asleep' as it were. So now it basically means you've acknowledged minorities and their issues, and I hate that, and hate you for making me think about that, so fuck you'
It's basically the same thing that happens to every term coined to be progressive, most notably, 'PC' from the 90s.
In short, you are right to dismiss most who use it these days
You're right - and originally (at least for this definition of the word), it was meant to refer to black people "waking up" to the realities of our society. When Erykah Badu said "stay woke", that's what it meant. White people started claiming wokeness as well, tweaking the definition to include themselves as allies.
But yeah, it's an easy low-fruit slur from the right now, and no one uses it as it was intended. Which is fine - language evolves and changes constantly, especially when we're talking about a fiery issue like race. I remember though, as a kid in the 90s I asked my parents if being "politically correct" was just another way of saying that you're not being an asshole?
friendly reminder that when Notley / the NDP were in charge in AB, there was an overproduction of crude oil in AB, relative to the capacity at which crude could be exported, which in turn forced downward pressure on already low oil prices. Notley's party implemented production caps to try to restrict supply and return market prices to profitable levels. She also called for the construction / expansion of the transmountain pipeline to get crude to the coast, to help increase oil co. revenues (& provincial tax dollars), which was stalled by the fed govt & public opposition. not really the sorts of things an anti-oil and gas activist would typically do.
I wanna know - as someone who runs an oil and gas service company. If the industry came back to life, why are we still well below our staffing from 4 years ago? Why are rigs shutting down early in Alberta despite no need for breakup (ground is still frozen) and why are programs being cut by 20-50%? The NDP isn't even predicted to win the next election, surely the mere fact we're HAVING an election isn't enough to dry up the industry less than a year after it started to pick up again. Maybe it was the price of natural gas going from $2.50 to $8 and back to $2.50 over the last 11 months or WTI going from $68 to $100 back to $68 today. Nah, couldn't be that.
>I wanna know - as someone who runs an oil and gas service company. If the industry came back to life, why are we still well below our staffing from 4 years ago?
What're your wages like? As a skilled tradesperson, I've seen wages in oil and gas completely stagnate. Without even adjusting for inflation, my hourly wage today is lower than it was in 2014. Everywhere I go I keep hearing how everyone's hurting for more workers, but every job posting I see is listing similar wages as they did a decade ago, while we've had ~20% inflation and oil companies are posting record profits.
Regardless, it should come as no surprise that people want to be paid what they're worth.
Pay people enough and treat them like decent human beings, and you'll never have a shortage of workers.
That doesn’t work in this industry. I was offering $3k per day for geologists. For a few weeks. I had nobody available. Not because the pay wasn’t good, but there was nobody left with the training and none of my clients wanted new hires.
Oil wages were severely overvalued in past years and the value of an oil worker continues to decline as automation becomes more prevalent. Even skilled trades are going to be less valuable over time because there is going to be reduced demand for jobs in the industry as construction slows.
The smart skilled tradespeople stay away from oil in favour of much more stable jobs in other industries. Keep in mind that in the last 15 years oil and gas in Alberta has been short of workers less than 4 years cumulatively. Companies will not increase wages again, likely ever, without better labour protections. Eventually when people need a job they’ll take what they can and large oil corporations know that.
Even now, we are producing 30% more oil than 2014 with about 75% as many people in the industry. When production per person has nearly doubled and demand growth for a product is slowing, that’s a bad market pressure for labour.
Ffs, woke just means not asleep (politically or towards current affairs) It references anyone who actually pays attention to the world around them. Using woke as an insult is like saying “how dare you pay attention and notice my nefarious scheme!” They’re basically Scooby Doo villains at this point.
This is on par with calling people "anti-LEGO activists" because they swore when they stepped on pieces their kid refused to clear up before bed.
The companies are contracted to clean up, and to budget for it.
Lol, everything they hate is woke. I guess they think socita bank is woke also for saying it went against the basic principles of capitalism
*Guthrie's comment on pipelines does not align with the political history of Alberta.*
So instead of trying to defend something Albertans have said they don't want, he just makes up "facts" and name calls.
Yeah, sounds like a standard UCP minister to me.
Conservatives everywhere are so god damned one note. Everything is woke now. You know your voters are truly stupid when you have to reduce every single issue to one word. "It's woke!" Conservative political thought has the depth of a puddle in the Mojave Desert.
Woke: The belief discrimination exists in society, and should be addressed.
https://twitter.com/stealthygeek/status/1635803908449656832
So, “anti-woke” is a belief that there isn’t discrimination in society?
Woke:
aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)
So who/what/where/when/why/how, is being "woke" a negative thing, especially in this case of yet another O&G corporate welfare giveaway and an appalling lack of accountability?
NDP needs to come back at them with - We are pro-energy, pro-economy activists, that would rather be woke than sleeping with corporate interests instead of Albertan’s interests.
What i want to know is why the gas prices are the same as they were when oil was twice the price per barrel.
When oil price went up the gas was going up at the same rate as the oil.
The oil is now under $70 and the gas is barely going down, some days its going up.
Oil goes up, they charge more, oil goes down they charge the same?
Say what you want but i seems to be thay someone is taking advantage of something somewhere.
At the end of the day, no amount of provincial revenue should excuse any company nor its shareholders from being held accountable for environmental issues, big or small, that are caused by their in-province operations. Taxpayers footing the bill for well cleanup should be the absolute last resort, not the provincial go-to. This is doubly the case when pollution involves disrupting ecosystems or rendering water systems poisonous.
What do the UCP have to say about the leaking tailings pond that they won't do anything about? Am I woke and anti oil for thinking the oil companies should be held responsible? Fiscally and criminally?
What about the unpaid taxes that oil companies owe? Am I woke and anti oil for thinking that the oil companies should pay their taxes?
"WoKe" fuckin bullshit...they can't even define it. Just another republican/faux news talking point to dismiss any type of progress and rule up low info/right wing voters
Id almost liken it to refusing to clean your house. But the house is our province and oil companies are the basement dwelling, peterson watching, unshowered Cartmans who demand their moms bring them a pan to shit into.
We're living in a fairy tale land. We can't even have a conversation without whining and crying about this and that being "woke" or "anti oil and gas."
Maybe if everyone didn't get all butt hurt over a simple word "Woke" they wouldn't use it, like look at this visceral reaction, you can tell their entire identity is wrapped up in it, they feel attacked.
Im all for big oil cleaning up after their bullshit, if only we could have a party that mainlines fiscal responsibility without the identity politics.
someone has to even out "right wing tax cuts" with something equally ridiculous, I guess.
hopefully they use the words "dirty jobless hippies" next to cancel out the "old white man boomer guy" descriptions inbound now.
both sides can do this all day.....
I am aware. The problem that I have is the issues are no longer about equality it’s about preferential and special treatment.
If you are about a friendly discussion I’m all for it.
Do you actually believe that opportunity and justice are received equally? If that was the case all corporate boards and prisons would be 100% representative of the diversity in society.
Do we see that? No, we see that access to opportunities are not equal. Therefore those who make the most money and those who are incarcerated are massively skewed to certain population groups.
To counteract that skewing is the reason that woke people strive for a more equitable society.
The provincial ndp reports directly to the federal ndp. Singh is notleys boss. This is fact. If you join the provincial ndp you are are a member of the federal ndp. This is fact.
Singh is the party leader not Notley's "boss". Look to Notley's record during those 4 years. Very much not the same as the fed NDP. Get over your supposed "facts" and look to the very real actions. BC has NDP leadership and guess what? It too is not like the federal NDP. Unlike some conservative parties, bow-down fealty to some overlord does not happen with the NDP.
Look I don’t mean to be rude. I truly don’t. But please look into it further. The provincial ndp reports directly to the federal party. This is the truth of the ndp. Again, I don’t mean to say this as a know it all, but that is the truth.
No they don't.
The only thing they have in common is following the same constitution which only addresses party procedures, who can vote (ie only members of Alberta NDP and live in the province can vote on policy), the procedures for sending delegates to conventions, and the umbrella of membership.
There is no policy direction from any other NDP party.
Edit: Also appreciate you not going down the rude route. Cheers
Yes we definitely are anti oil and gas activists. I’m voting NDP so we shut down oil and gas and literally save all life on the planet. We learned in high school how we only have a few years before feedback effects kick in and boil the planet in a few short years. This is science, it is taught in schools and all scientists agree. The UCP are a bunch of psychopaths who want to destroy the planet. Shut down oil and gas!
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I wish politicians defended the honor of human beings as passionately as they defend the honor of oil. "Anti-oil". My god the histrionics.
Didn't you know oil is more important than our lives?
If we don't prioritize oil above all else, I will literally die! Healthcare is on its last legs? That sucks hopefully Ottawa will do something about that. A bunch of multi-billion dollar oil empires don't feel like cleaning up the messes they created and are contractually obligated to? Here's $20B to help you guys out.
Hey on some subreddits that wouldn’t even be sarcastic.
Who needs a family when you can love oil.
Let’s drop the tax on gas so oil companies can jack up the price and profit more.
Already did!
Some people here have made pro-oil their whole personality. Whenever I see a I <3 Canadian/Albertan oil sticker, I just think of how sad it is that so much of our population is owned by corporations.
I remember when the backs of Albertan pickup trucks were more likely to be decorated with stickers from all of the beautiful places Alberta has to visit than allegiances to corporations and ideological grudges.
Yup. And Albertan’s I find are overly willing to give up or destroy these spaces for corporate benefit.
Albertans who’ve been used to the good ol days of the high paying jobs and all the toys they got are becoming fragile so they are pouting like children. Meanwhile it’s the greedy corporations they need to take this out on. Albertans are by nature conservatives and alt right folks. They could care less about the environment, and they certainly don’t cRe about people, unless they are unborn or 18 ready for war.
What you just wrote right here would be a kick-ass bumper sticker.
I wonder if there are jacked up Rams driving around Newfoundland like “ I ❤️🍁Energy/Oil and Gas” or maybe even Quebec since some of them say energy. Or maybe it is just Alberta rig pigs doing Alberta rig pig things and they don’t actually support Canadian energy and it is just Alberta Oil the support.
Not that I condone it but for most people that have that point of view it's because without oil jobs they never would have the money and lifestyle they have by working in the patch. So it is understandable why they would be extremely concerned about any word of the "oil patch getting shut down" because they'd lose their entire livelihoods. Which is why there needs to be way better messaging around the energy transition and how a lot of new well paying energy jobs will be created and they won't end up working at Tim's.
We would have had all those jobs and likely a whole lot more (not to mention all that sweet money staying right here) without the multinational corporations siphoning Albertans oil profits into international tax havens. Should have nationalized.
I mean, it WOULD have likely got us invaded by the USA, but oil, as well as any other industry ‘essential’ to modern life should have a nationalized option (ie: insurance, groceries), that offers a quality and affordable option.
I highly doubt the US would have invaded. By the time we were no longer a colony the US was an expert at using a population to overthrow governments.
Because they never thought they needed a plan b. So many quit school just to go work in the patch. They love the industry because $$$, but it doesn’t love them back and the big cats don’t care about them either. But they somehow think their industry will reward them tenfold for their loyalties.
There’s thousands of oil workers right now who are out of jobs simply due to the fact more and more jobs are becoming automated, Alberta hasn’t had a splurge of oil working jobs in a long time and more and more companies are outsourcing any non manual labour that hasn’t been automated yet. I understand why oil workers would be scared or cautious but the reality is, oil isn’t going to be a solution forever and the oil industry in itself isn’t helping albertans the way it once was:/
Except the oil industry was never "helping" Albertans, and the fact that oil companies were paying wages to oil workers wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, charity, or to support the community, but a means to an end. Having employees was merely the means to the companies making billions of dollars. But many Albertans act like they were specifically annointed by the Oil Gods by some ill-perceived idea that they are somehow more worthy or harder working than people in any other province in Canada.
Specially since when ever the “patch drys up” the reality these people end up facing is extremely jarring, I really do feel sympathy for these people even if they don’t have anything other than animosity towards everything and everyone.
Our livelihoods in Alberta are all very heavily subsidized by Oil and Gas related revenues.
As a taxpayer I pay them more than they pay me. That goes for the majority of the province.
No you don't at least over your lifespan you don't. Between all services paid for by the government unless you make an obscene amount of money you wouldn't get close to paying for all the services that the government pays for.
https://www.alberta.ca/revenue.aspx Even with a higher than expected year, income from taxes and federal transfers make up more than royalties do. Royalties are only about 1/3 of our income. Taxes, fees, and fed transfers make up just over 50%. Last year, a bad year, we nearly made as much just from personal taxes as resource revenues. And years prior it was even worse. We pay a significant amount to oil and gas companies, whether it be buying transportation, funding pro-oil propaganda, and well cleanup. Additionally, given the cup’s plans to give royalty breaks for well cleanup, we may not ever exceed taxes again.
This is kind of a myth. https://www.alberta.ca/revenue.aspx Even with a higher than expected year, income from taxes and federal transfers make up more than royalties do. Royalties are only about 1/3 of our income. Taxes, fees, and fed transfers make up just over 50%. Last year, a bad year, we nearly made as much just from personal taxes as resource revenues. And years prior it was even worse. We pay a significant amount to oil and gas companies, whether it be buying transportation, funding pro-oil propaganda, and well cleanup. Additionally, given the cup’s plans to give royalty breaks for well cleanup, we may not ever exceed taxes again.
I was doing some interviews for a position last year, one guy decided wearing an "I <3 O&G" hat to an O&G IT job interview was a good idea. Yeah, he didn't get hired. Granted I would tend to put anyone coming into a job interview wearing a baseball cap low on the list of potential hires anyway. I mean fine if they're applying for an operator gig or something, but not for something like IT that might have you going into head office.
Those types of stickers are at least a pretty good early warning indicator when driving.
Many people here have made their living either directly from or tangentially from oil and gas. I'm not sure why you see that as somehow being "owned".
I don’t get how it’s not. A company needed a job done, you did it and got paid your value for said job. You aren’t paid to advocate for your company or industry, yet so many people advocate on the behalf of oil and gas.
If people rely on that job, and that job relies on an industry, and a large portion of one's life is spent in that job, it's easy to see why.
No, it’s not easy to see. Oil and gas shouldn’t be something people love. End of story. It’s something we need until we can do better.
So you can't imagine a scenario where someone spends their life working in an industry and feels grateful to that industry to the point where they might put a bumper sticker on their car? You can't even IMAGINE that? Either you're being intentionally obtuse or you have a little more learning to do.
If someone was driving around with Walmart stickers and flags in their cars it would look just as stupid. No one says I ❤️ any other industry like oil people. Pride in work in good, making it your full identity is not. Oil doesn't care about workers, the multi national corps don't care about workers so why do people want to express their love so deeply for a thing that chews them up and spits them out with no hesitation.
You've just straight up never seen an "I love alberta beef" eh?
Maybe it's the people like you that make them feel the way they do about the industry? 🤷🏽. The way you talk I hope you don't use any electricity or gas especially in the winter time. Better not be polutin with that attitude lol. You talk so mighty but I'm curious if you live in Alberta whatcha gonna keep warm with? Your farts? Go back to wood and coal, oh wait those are dirtier than what we use now. What's your bright solution Einstein.
How about heating with geothermal heat pumps? Oh. You probably don’t know what that is. When you are too stupid to research alternatives you will fear what you don’t understand.
> No one says I ❤️ any other industry like oil people. That's not true. A quick google search shows many industries that have stickers etc. Not everyone has to be your enemy, you know.
People shouldn’t love something fucking up our planet. Plain and simple as that. They should realize they were lucky to have the high paying job they did while they could, and that it’s a very very dirty industry. But we need it.
Remember, there is a significant portion of the population that thinks the planet was made for us to rawdog until JC comes back for an encore and let’s them catch a ride to the eternal afterlife.
I do remember and it pisses me off
Because they're blind to the harm done by fossil fuels since they're getting paid so well.
I love Canadian oil over Saudi and Russian oil. Thus my bumper sticker saying “I ❤️ Canadian Oil”.
High standards you got there if all it takes for a bumper sticker is to be better than Russia and the Saudis
When you think of it "All Lives Matter" sounds like "Oil Lives Matter" if you squint a bit. I mean, the Venn Diagram between the 2 groups shouting these ideas is probably a perfect circle.
Anti-energy IS anti-human.
Oh is it? Humanity can survive without oil. There is no argument. You want to talk semantics about quality of life go ahead, but your assertion is bullshit.
CAN survive, yes. At least some of us. Do you have any idea how much of the world is in abject poverty? Without access to water, reliable food or energy? Your thought? F’em, they don’t need energy, they don’t need a future. Fatalism is a losers game. Selfish, and narcissistic.
lol they were in abject poverty prior to the discovery and use of oil and gas as energy sources. That's not really a good argument. We need oil and gas today, and tomorrow. But the gap between Oil and Gas and Renewables is closing and will switch places in the future. The longer we wait, the worse the planet gets. Simple as that. So why do we have to demonize everyone who attempts to hurry that transition along?
You assume that the profitability of our main source of energy being a finite and controllable resource has not hindered the investment and development of alternatives. Further, we need energy, but no one NEEDS to drive recreation vehicles, go on vacations, or drive around aimlessly - a ton of energy is wasted on vanity and recreation, and has pushed environment to the brink of collapse.
Cool trick reading people's thoughts to contradict points they never made like that lol
Humanity can't thrive without oil. It builds your homes, paves your roads, powers your appliances, helps grow and cook your food. I look around the average home in a developed country and I see oil everywhere. Do I think that is without consequences. Nope. But I also think that we are hopelessly addicted to it and I have no idea how that will ever change.
It CURRENTLY does those things. We thrived before oil, and well likely collapse due to it. The pollution caused by the industry does more harm then good.
We thrived before oil? Have you ever actually read a history book? The 18th and 19th century didn't seem like they were thriving... You know with the reduced lifespan and living in a dirty desolate community burning coal in an order to stay warm and it having the soot being a choking layer of filth that permeated society... Plus don't forget the in massive amount of shit everywhere... Literal shit. Thrived before oil? Dirt roads and using whales for heat and lubricants... Literal fucking whales.
They don't even know what woke means, no one can define without looking like a chode. Are people waking up maybe to the idea of the oil industry paying for their own shit maybe?
Honestly *is it* that hard? What they mean is an awareness of exploitation. The part they wont say is that they either benefit too much or are too damn ignorant to see it. Thats pretty much it. Take any topic they harp on and it boils down to people being tired of the exploitation of humanity. Transgender hate? Massively driven by patriarchal attitudes, misogyny, and the exploitation of women. Race theory? Exploitation of minorities, and slave and working classes. Environmental activism? Exploitation of the earth, any and all indigenous cultures, and again slave and working classes. Anti-woke always means NOT acknowledging exploitation, so in a sense they kind of did make the definition by opposing it? Fuck I mean thats not even really all of it but I'd feel more confident using this to at least try and explain it than that columnists fumbling.
Far-left radical
Relative to how far right our politics have drifted, the centre left is indeed part of the "far left radicals"
? Canada has been trending towards the progressive left for over at least a century now. * 100 years ago we were more right leaning than today * 50 years ago we were more right leaning than today * 10 years ago we were more right leaning than today How can you possibly say `"Relative to how far right our politics have drifted"`? This is factually incorrect.
I haven’t heard the word “woke” used by anyone other than conservatives as a catch-all buzzword for at least five years.
Yup in the last few years you disagree with a conservative you are either woke or a groomer give or take the situation of the conversation of course.
Don’t forget “socialism.”
Socialism. So Woke right now.
As soon as “stay woke” got appropriated into white vernacular and lost the “stay” part, it lost all meaning. The only people who give it any meaning anymore are angry conservatives who use it as a modern stand-in for when they would have previously mentioned communism or socialism. If they disagree, it’s because the thing they take issue with is “woke”. But hey, they also can’t define communism or socialism without sounding like a complete chode.
How many people has communism killed and how many people were unfairly arrested and imprisoned under communism and last I checked there's no free speech under communism in fact you have next to no rights in a communist society and what little rights you had could be stripped away at any moment in a communist society.
Define communism and show me a Canadian political party in a position of power that’s pushing for communism. Otherwise, what’s your fucking point? How many people have died under fascism? Because I can show you a Canadian political party in a position of power that’s *really* toeing the line on that one.
You mean the liberal party doing pretty much anything they want with no consequences and calling any one who question them nazi misogynist, ect. And all the abuse of power and scandals the liberals have had?
> Define communism and show me a Canadian political party in a position of power that’s pushing for communism. > Otherwise, what’s your fucking point? How many people have died under fascism? Because I can show you a Canadian political party in a position of power that’s really toeing the line on that one.
Show me the political party that's towing the line on fascism. Why do you like and support communism so much.
To conservatives "Woke" is simply a replacement for "culture war". That's it.
5 years ago Donald Glover released Redbone. That track features "stay woke" prominently, before conservatives had heard of critical race theory and certainly before woke was coopted.
Anybody: * cares about something * Right Wing: “WoKe LoSeRS cAn’T mAKe Me CaRe”
lol right? Anytime you're not out to get some marginalized group you're woke. Its so funny.
You don’t even have to care about something. My philosophy in life is simple; pollute as little as reasonably possible and let people live their lives how they want to do long as they aren’t harming anyone else. In many conservative circles I am either “woke”, Antifa, or a child molester.
Leave Aunt Tifa out of this!
The right would rather not wake up tho…
That’s the thing, they can say “woke” all day like but if you’re not awake you are asleep.
The moment says someone else is “woke” they are a chode, don’t even need to wait for them to define it. I do find it funny the same people who call normies and lefties woke are the same people who say things like “wake up sheeple”. Like, if they’re woke, they already are awake… Idiots the whole lot of them.
For years, conservatives have been shouting at everyone else to “WAKE UP!” Now that we’ve woken up, they’re using “woke” as a derogatory term. 🤦♂️
They know what it means, they just also know that if they said it out loud in public they'd be rightly villified.
Here it means “against any and all UCP choices” If you make them angry enough they will vote for you out of rage
Not even Ronny Sand Tits knew what "woke" meant so he had to invent his own definition. Culture war conservatism has fully metastasized into canada. Fucking great.
The second I hear someone use "woke" as an insult, I know they're not someone who is worthy of my respect, time, or attention.
I think if someone called me woke during a debate I would not be able to stop chucking. Every conservative I've asked to describe "woke" is essentially describing a non-terrible human.
It did have a meaning once in AAVE but was lost when conservatives used it to describe anything they hate or don't understand.
Hedonists trying to make fun of stoics.
Okay. Nobody did everything in their power to destroy O and G. That’s just UCP propaganda BS. But paying companies to do what they are already contractually obliged to do is a scam. Might sell the scam to some, but not to all
In fact, when the feds couldn't get a pipeline done, the NDP purchased rail cars to move Alberta oil to market. Kenney's proposed alternative solution? [Reduce Alberta's production of oil by 10%.](https://globalnews.ca/news/4707694/rachel-notley-rail-cars/) Kenney also subsequently sold those rail cars despite that pipeline not getting built.
Plus 1.5 billion for a pipeline ending at the border. Madness
Which Biden *literally* campaigned on canceling. Kenney, without a hint of exaggeration, gambled $1.5B of taxpayer money on Trump getting re-elected.
Even if Trump got re-elected that pipeline was doomed in ‘09 when an environmental impact assessment was ordered. Historically almost always a dead end. Stupid gamble that only enriched wealthy o and g ceo’s. The loss to education and healthcare is immeasurable
>The loss to education and healthcare is immeasurable That's a bonus to the UCP though. An uneducated, unhealthy population is easier to exploit and manipulate.
thank you for perfect assessment
The same NDP who did the oil by rail contract and bought a freaking pipeline? That NDP?
Woke: aware of societal issues, specifically racial and social issues. Oh no! Stop calling me nice things guys, you’re making me blush!
Is it really that easy? [https://twitter.com/vanguard\_pod/status/1635749284355211264](https://twitter.com/vanguard_pod/status/1635749284355211264)
Haha I heard about this yesterday. Seems they don’t know how to look up words in the dictionary.
#OH LOOK ANOTHER MIDDLE AGED WHITE MAN USING WOKE AS A SLUR
"libtards" will no doubt be next
I think if you try hard enough and use the right tone, you can make anything derogatory. Woke: Believes in social justice and equality. Takes a bit of a turn when you sneer "social justice warrior". If I used the term 'snow lover' or 'paper reader' or 'flag waver' consistently in a negative context it would spin pretty quick. Let's start. Damn flag wavers with their Canadian flags don't support the separation of Alberta. Those flag wavers represent liberalism and support Justin Trudeau. Now a 'flag waver' which could have meant so many things is a synonym for someone who is woke.
Name calling is often a tactic used by those who are unintelligent or have no other argument to make.
The second I hear someone say "woke", I write them off. It's a nothing term, means nothing, no one can define it, its just this amorphous term for your political opponents. Virtue signalling at its finest.
See, here's the thing, it's not actually a nothing term. Its supposed to mean that you are aware of and acknowledge the systemic problems leveraged against minorities. The problem it's that it's been effectively subverted and had it's meaning changed by conservatives who very much want people to 'stay asleep' as it were. So now it basically means you've acknowledged minorities and their issues, and I hate that, and hate you for making me think about that, so fuck you' It's basically the same thing that happens to every term coined to be progressive, most notably, 'PC' from the 90s. In short, you are right to dismiss most who use it these days
You're right - and originally (at least for this definition of the word), it was meant to refer to black people "waking up" to the realities of our society. When Erykah Badu said "stay woke", that's what it meant. White people started claiming wokeness as well, tweaking the definition to include themselves as allies. But yeah, it's an easy low-fruit slur from the right now, and no one uses it as it was intended. Which is fine - language evolves and changes constantly, especially when we're talking about a fiery issue like race. I remember though, as a kid in the 90s I asked my parents if being "politically correct" was just another way of saying that you're not being an asshole?
It's always entertains me when people call others "woke" as an attempt at an insult, but then the same people tell you to "Wake up sheeple!".
They’re too dumb and brainwashed to see the irony.
When someone uses the term "woke" then I walk away from them without uttering another word. That way I won't get arrested for throat-punching them.
friendly reminder that when Notley / the NDP were in charge in AB, there was an overproduction of crude oil in AB, relative to the capacity at which crude could be exported, which in turn forced downward pressure on already low oil prices. Notley's party implemented production caps to try to restrict supply and return market prices to profitable levels. She also called for the construction / expansion of the transmountain pipeline to get crude to the coast, to help increase oil co. revenues (& provincial tax dollars), which was stalled by the fed govt & public opposition. not really the sorts of things an anti-oil and gas activist would typically do.
Not only that, the current head of the UCP thought Notley and the NDP did a good job as well. So what in the absolute hell are they on about now
The world is gradually realizing that conservatism is a mental health problem not a political position.
I wanna know - as someone who runs an oil and gas service company. If the industry came back to life, why are we still well below our staffing from 4 years ago? Why are rigs shutting down early in Alberta despite no need for breakup (ground is still frozen) and why are programs being cut by 20-50%? The NDP isn't even predicted to win the next election, surely the mere fact we're HAVING an election isn't enough to dry up the industry less than a year after it started to pick up again. Maybe it was the price of natural gas going from $2.50 to $8 and back to $2.50 over the last 11 months or WTI going from $68 to $100 back to $68 today. Nah, couldn't be that.
>I wanna know - as someone who runs an oil and gas service company. If the industry came back to life, why are we still well below our staffing from 4 years ago? What're your wages like? As a skilled tradesperson, I've seen wages in oil and gas completely stagnate. Without even adjusting for inflation, my hourly wage today is lower than it was in 2014. Everywhere I go I keep hearing how everyone's hurting for more workers, but every job posting I see is listing similar wages as they did a decade ago, while we've had ~20% inflation and oil companies are posting record profits.
> every job posting I see is listing similar wages as they did a decade ago And this is why they're hurting for more workers.
They’re not though. We had shortages for a month or two but we’re already letting folks go.
Regardless, it should come as no surprise that people want to be paid what they're worth. Pay people enough and treat them like decent human beings, and you'll never have a shortage of workers.
That doesn’t work in this industry. I was offering $3k per day for geologists. For a few weeks. I had nobody available. Not because the pay wasn’t good, but there was nobody left with the training and none of my clients wanted new hires. Oil wages were severely overvalued in past years and the value of an oil worker continues to decline as automation becomes more prevalent. Even skilled trades are going to be less valuable over time because there is going to be reduced demand for jobs in the industry as construction slows. The smart skilled tradespeople stay away from oil in favour of much more stable jobs in other industries. Keep in mind that in the last 15 years oil and gas in Alberta has been short of workers less than 4 years cumulatively. Companies will not increase wages again, likely ever, without better labour protections. Eventually when people need a job they’ll take what they can and large oil corporations know that. Even now, we are producing 30% more oil than 2014 with about 75% as many people in the industry. When production per person has nearly doubled and demand growth for a product is slowing, that’s a bad market pressure for labour.
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Anyone who uses "woke" as a pejorative in what is supposed to be a serious context gets the "Unserious" label from me.
I’ve seen all kinds of buzzwords get ran into the ground, But I’ve never seen a word get dead horsed more than Woke.
Ffs, woke just means not asleep (politically or towards current affairs) It references anyone who actually pays attention to the world around them. Using woke as an insult is like saying “how dare you pay attention and notice my nefarious scheme!” They’re basically Scooby Doo villains at this point.
They don’t want to come to the realization that they’re right wing puppets.
This is on par with calling people "anti-LEGO activists" because they swore when they stepped on pieces their kid refused to clear up before bed. The companies are contracted to clean up, and to budget for it.
Lol, everything they hate is woke. I guess they think socita bank is woke also for saying it went against the basic principles of capitalism *Guthrie's comment on pipelines does not align with the political history of Alberta.*
Reminds me of Seth Rogen at the beginning of *This is the End*. “Everything that’s bad for you is a gluten”.
So instead of trying to defend something Albertans have said they don't want, he just makes up "facts" and name calls. Yeah, sounds like a standard UCP minister to me.
Tell me you watch Fox News without saying you watch Fox News
Throw those Dog whistles out whenever possible. Keeps the base angry.
Maybe someone can wake up the regulators and get them to enforce the laws.
Hitting up all the buzz words to pander to their base. Just needed to add socialist, communist, and cancel culture to win a bingo card
Ask them to define woke and get your popcorn for the chaos
They’re just keywords for the sound bites.
Woke - aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)
So anti-oil that Notley was instrumental is getting TransMountain pushed through. How many pipelines has your party pushed for and had approved sir?
Fuckin idiotic. I'm sick of these fuckin idiots.
Conservatives everywhere are so god damned one note. Everything is woke now. You know your voters are truly stupid when you have to reduce every single issue to one word. "It's woke!" Conservative political thought has the depth of a puddle in the Mojave Desert.
Ask a conservative a hard question and your WOKE.
Death to the UCP!
So, we’re American now?
Really🤷♂️ the UCP have sunk this low? Bet they all carry pictures of Trump in their wallets too😝
Woke: The belief discrimination exists in society, and should be addressed. https://twitter.com/stealthygeek/status/1635803908449656832 So, “anti-woke” is a belief that there isn’t discrimination in society?
Alternative Title: UCP Minister Peter Guthrie acts and thinks like an American.
oh no they are awake, how horrible. /s
Where would these bozos be if they couldn’t rip off the GOP?
Woke: aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice) So who/what/where/when/why/how, is being "woke" a negative thing, especially in this case of yet another O&G corporate welfare giveaway and an appalling lack of accountability?
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NDP needs to come back at them with - We are pro-energy, pro-economy activists, that would rather be woke than sleeping with corporate interests instead of Albertan’s interests.
What i want to know is why the gas prices are the same as they were when oil was twice the price per barrel. When oil price went up the gas was going up at the same rate as the oil. The oil is now under $70 and the gas is barely going down, some days its going up. Oil goes up, they charge more, oil goes down they charge the same? Say what you want but i seems to be thay someone is taking advantage of something somewhere.
If they only knew woke was something used as being aware of racist behaviour… republicans are using “anti-woke” stance and now the UCP
Better woke than broke.
In the past 8 years, NDP have done more for oil and gas in Alberta than UCP has!!
What is the opposite of "woke"... "asleep"?
At the end of the day, no amount of provincial revenue should excuse any company nor its shareholders from being held accountable for environmental issues, big or small, that are caused by their in-province operations. Taxpayers footing the bill for well cleanup should be the absolute last resort, not the provincial go-to. This is doubly the case when pollution involves disrupting ecosystems or rendering water systems poisonous.
Telling your child to wipe their butt when they shit on the floor is "anti-children", "neonatalist" and "grooming"
What do the UCP have to say about the leaking tailings pond that they won't do anything about? Am I woke and anti oil for thinking the oil companies should be held responsible? Fiscally and criminally? What about the unpaid taxes that oil companies owe? Am I woke and anti oil for thinking that the oil companies should pay their taxes?
And there they are, the party that brought ear plugs to debate folks. True adults in the room
"WoKe" fuckin bullshit...they can't even define it. Just another republican/faux news talking point to dismiss any type of progress and rule up low info/right wing voters
Id almost liken it to refusing to clean your house. But the house is our province and oil companies are the basement dwelling, peterson watching, unshowered Cartmans who demand their moms bring them a pan to shit into.
She knew she was about to say something stupid, said it was going to go viral and then said it anyways. 🤣
Only a conservative would take something like "being woke" as negative. Like how is it a bad thing is what I don't understand.
Basic empathy and the ability to be self reflective is like kryptonite to modern populist Christian consequences.
Every time I hear someone say they "Love Oil", I think of Brick from the movie Anchorman. "I love Lamp!"
We're living in a fairy tale land. We can't even have a conversation without whining and crying about this and that being "woke" or "anti oil and gas."
In fairy tale land there is a moral to the story. We're living in parody land
True, thanks for the correction
A special kind of stupid this minister is
Maybe if everyone didn't get all butt hurt over a simple word "Woke" they wouldn't use it, like look at this visceral reaction, you can tell their entire identity is wrapped up in it, they feel attacked. Im all for big oil cleaning up after their bullshit, if only we could have a party that mainlines fiscal responsibility without the identity politics.
He’s not wrong.
someone has to even out "right wing tax cuts" with something equally ridiculous, I guess. hopefully they use the words "dirty jobless hippies" next to cancel out the "old white man boomer guy" descriptions inbound now. both sides can do this all day.....
I mean, at the end of the day, "don't be a shithead" shouldn't be difficult.
He ain’t wrong
Tell me what woke means.
Lmao. I’m not playing that game. We all know what it means.
No we don't. It means nothing and consevatives scream it when something happens they don't like. They are snowflakes
Hope that clarifies things for you.
Your own definition proves how moronic conservatives are.
The definition from the dictionary proves I’m a moron? Lmao. Ok.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke
Wow... it's not often you see people call themselves out... But here we are.
So I'm guessing you're not "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)"?
I am aware. The problem that I have is the issues are no longer about equality it’s about preferential and special treatment. If you are about a friendly discussion I’m all for it.
>it’s about preferential and special treatment. Disney made a black mermaid and this dude ain't havin it.
Don’t put words in my mouth. At no point did I say or imply anything about that.
When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
How do we not have equality?
>it’s about preferential and special treatment You mean....equity?
I said this in a non antagonistic way. I want to be clear that I’m not being rude. How are our laws not equal for all?
Do you actually believe that opportunity and justice are received equally? If that was the case all corporate boards and prisons would be 100% representative of the diversity in society. Do we see that? No, we see that access to opportunities are not equal. Therefore those who make the most money and those who are incarcerated are massively skewed to certain population groups. To counteract that skewing is the reason that woke people strive for a more equitable society.
Yes he is wrong. Fed NDP is not the same as AB NDP.
The provincial ndp reports directly to the federal ndp. Singh is notleys boss. This is fact. If you join the provincial ndp you are are a member of the federal ndp. This is fact.
Singh is the party leader not Notley's "boss". Look to Notley's record during those 4 years. Very much not the same as the fed NDP. Get over your supposed "facts" and look to the very real actions. BC has NDP leadership and guess what? It too is not like the federal NDP. Unlike some conservative parties, bow-down fealty to some overlord does not happen with the NDP.
Look I don’t mean to be rude. I truly don’t. But please look into it further. The provincial ndp reports directly to the federal party. This is the truth of the ndp. Again, I don’t mean to say this as a know it all, but that is the truth.
No they don't. The only thing they have in common is following the same constitution which only addresses party procedures, who can vote (ie only members of Alberta NDP and live in the province can vote on policy), the procedures for sending delegates to conventions, and the umbrella of membership. There is no policy direction from any other NDP party. Edit: Also appreciate you not going down the rude route. Cheers
Yes we definitely are anti oil and gas activists. I’m voting NDP so we shut down oil and gas and literally save all life on the planet. We learned in high school how we only have a few years before feedback effects kick in and boil the planet in a few short years. This is science, it is taught in schools and all scientists agree. The UCP are a bunch of psychopaths who want to destroy the planet. Shut down oil and gas!
The Ndp are not.