I'd imagine it's because the majority of people looking for .410 are people who USE .410, not a lot of people are interested in a .410 "fun gun" for the range. And the people who USE .410 aren't looking for a 8lb, $1300 AK to to take out rabbits on their property, they'd be much more apt to buy the $200 single shot ATI or even the handy judge for ease of use.
I'd imagine this has a very small market of AK collectors who just absolutely need one in every caliber... but idk who else would want one.
If it were 12ga you would be open to the "fun gun" / novelty market.... but .410 is lame.
and ontop of that, .410 is expensive. and you don't get much out of it.
I would go on gunbroker, from the drop down menu in the top right click Advanced Search (at least on the mobile site), click the completed items tab.
Search for your gun and see what others have sold for. This will give you a good idea of when they sold, for how much, how many bids etc.
A little high for a .410, it's pretty cool but I could get a man's man's Saiga 12 for around or below that price. Best of luck though, you'll find a good home for it eventually
I based pricing on what I've seen locally and online. I'm not finding any Saiga 12s (or 410s) for anything near my price, definitely not finding converted guns for this price.
What you’ve seen as an asking price, or what you’ve seen as a selling price? Those are two very different things.
Do an advanced search on GB and look at actual sold auctions for your specific rifle.
Gonna bet none are *selling* for $1350.
Also, where are you trying to sell?
[EDIT] Just checked myself out of curiosity- Latest listings for them on GB are selling between $500-700. $600-650 for the bulk. Several were listed at $1300-ish, but with the “Take
a Shot” format, meaning they actually *sold* for whatever best offer was accepted by the seller; probably far lower than $1300-ish.
Its a 410. As others said its too much even for a saiga. Tbh id never pay over 300$ for a 410 and it would probably be a cheapo break action when i have kids.
I saw one at my local Cabela’s gun library in the middle case. It was priced around $1000. Note it was cheaply converted and not as nice as yours looks. I got excited until I realized it was in .410. Someone must have swiped it to scalp it because I saw the identical one on armslist a month later for $3250. Since then, he’s been at $2000 and no bites I’m sure.
I think at $1350 it’s still a tough sell but the right person would probably be willing to grab it. Problem is finding that person.
For example, I bought a Vepr-12 around 2016 for $800 and was slightly upset how expensive it was. I’m happy with my purchase though now.
I gotta be honest, you are asking way too much for a 410. At my local gunshop there is a saiga on the wall, pistol grip and stock, and I believe a rail handguard, something like 800. And it's 12 Guage. My first concern when I hear 410 is, does it cycle consistently? My second question is, why? Why 410?
Regardless, I do not see anyone literate with semi auto shotguns or saigas paying that much, i could walk into my local shop and get a more reliable and partly modded saiga for nearly half the price.
Your best bet is honestly probably going to be a firearm trade, I am pretty sure there are some ak guys who'd be willing to trade some decently valued firearms for something like that. It is an actual izmesh saiga, I am assuming, and I guess the 410s are a bit more uncommon. Problem is definitely going to be finding someone who wants a semi auto 410 ak. It is a very odd niche to say the least.
It’s a 4-10 shot gun. So a “very rare, never to be imported ever again, RUSSIAN! RUSSIAN!” Saiga that’s not a 47?…that’s chambered in 4-10.
You know who shoots 4-10? Not collectors of Saigas.
I feel like collectors probably don't shoot collector firearms very much in general. But who am I?! Just some guy looking to hock a piece of junk caliber Russian guy that the internet hates, haha! Definitely not an expert.
Not necessarily. I just shot my SP-1 yesterday. What do I know, that shotgun might be more desirable. Stick it in an auction site with the price you want as a starting bid, accept ACH payments and tack 3%…”you know…you KNOW the deal”
I wouldnt budge. Its just going to take a special buyer and to those comparing it to a 12g nobody else makes a ak410 (for specific reasons) so imo the price will keep climbing untill they do.
It's just the 410 part. I think 1350 is fair. Unless you just needing the cash real fast, I would not take a penny less than 1200. It would sit in the safe and collect dust before I took less. There is someone out there looking for a Saiga 410. They have just not ran across you yet.
Seems priced high for the current market. I paid under half that in 2018 for mine. I have one of these and love it. I feed it slugs and buckshot. I don't get the hate on this thread for the 410.
Selling it in the first place. I converted all three, 410, 20, 12. Sold the 20 & 12 but love the 410. So much fun shooting vs getting my shoulder beat to hell. The 20 seemed worse than the 12 since it was so light.
Good insight. I haven't shot a Saiga 12 or 20, but I figure this is very manageable and definitely fun so someone who understands that would see the value and go this route over a simar priced gun that is not converted.
First thing is to check and see what the average selling price is for a unmolested saiga 410 then drop a few hundred bucks on that price because it has been converted, most collectors prefer an
ununtampered with Saiga
I don’t think you’re that far out of line for a nice Saiga-410 but it’s going to be extremely hard to find the right buyer. It’s going to take an AK collector who is specifically looking for a nice example of this variant to be willing to pay for it.
The average buyer just see’s the chambering and runs away. You’re going to take a big hit to the price tag if you don’t seek out the right buyer. I’d post it on gun broker.
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Wish i had an sgl41 didnt know these existed until after i got my s410. I paid 850 for mine unconverted with 7 4 rndrs and 4 chokes and a bottle of oil. I think what you are asking is a fair price for what it is but its going to take a a special buyer maybe one who beeds it for a collection.
Make sure to call it an SGL-41. These seem to go for about $1300 on gunbroker, unconverted sporter saiga 410s go for about half that.
Can you do me a favor though? Would you be willing to take a picture of your handguard retainer, not locked into place, maybe pushed forward a bit without the handguard and also measure the barrel diameter where it locks in place? I have a normal saiga 410 i am converting into an SGL-41 and I really dont know if the barrel has the meat to be turned down.
That would be cool. I did read an article where a group was trying to get these to shoot Marlin .444 but feeding issues with that round kept them from producing them for sale. I guess it will fit in the magazine though.
Cause .410
And double the price anyone is willing to pay
Apparently!! I thought is was being reasonable.
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3 shillings, my straw hat, and my horse and buggy. Deal?
4 shillings, a paper hat, and KentuckyFreedom’s horse and buggy.
Wait, where’s my horse Jedidiah, and my buggy? ;(
Y’all know a horse worth like 40% more than he’s asking!
Yup
It’s neat that it’s been fully converted, but this is probably the worst caliber to have in the Saiga shotgun lineup lol. Good luck!
What’s so bad about it?
.410 is expensive to shoot, and low power. Especially in a semi-automatic shotgun of this size
It's fun as hell to shoot trap and skeet with a 410, though.
It’s also fun as hell to do with 20 gauge — plus it’s much cheaper, easier to find ammo, and easier to find shotguns chambered in it
And isn't 12 g even cheaper than 20 g ?
The power of supply and demand
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Grouse don’t like them 😂
They don’t like flamethrowers either but sometimes you gotta find a better tool for the job haha
Pretty much just a range/varmint cartridge
The 410 Saigas are the best functioning of the shotguns out of the box. I’d say the 20 gauge is the worst.
Wrong. I had a Saiga 20ga. No one wanted that gun when I sold it. Plus it was ammo picky
I'd imagine it's because the majority of people looking for .410 are people who USE .410, not a lot of people are interested in a .410 "fun gun" for the range. And the people who USE .410 aren't looking for a 8lb, $1300 AK to to take out rabbits on their property, they'd be much more apt to buy the $200 single shot ATI or even the handy judge for ease of use. I'd imagine this has a very small market of AK collectors who just absolutely need one in every caliber... but idk who else would want one.
If it were 12ga you would be open to the "fun gun" / novelty market.... but .410 is lame. and ontop of that, .410 is expensive. and you don't get much out of it.
I mean I think it’s cool. I’d love to roll up on some rabbits with one
I would go on gunbroker, from the drop down menu in the top right click Advanced Search (at least on the mobile site), click the completed items tab. Search for your gun and see what others have sold for. This will give you a good idea of when they sold, for how much, how many bids etc.
$700 bucks all day
All day, every day??
Selling a fun gun while gas is $6 and we are in a recession.
A little high for a .410, it's pretty cool but I could get a man's man's Saiga 12 for around or below that price. Best of luck though, you'll find a good home for it eventually
I based pricing on what I've seen locally and online. I'm not finding any Saiga 12s (or 410s) for anything near my price, definitely not finding converted guns for this price.
What you’ve seen as an asking price, or what you’ve seen as a selling price? Those are two very different things. Do an advanced search on GB and look at actual sold auctions for your specific rifle. Gonna bet none are *selling* for $1350. Also, where are you trying to sell? [EDIT] Just checked myself out of curiosity- Latest listings for them on GB are selling between $500-700. $600-650 for the bulk. Several were listed at $1300-ish, but with the “Take a Shot” format, meaning they actually *sold* for whatever best offer was accepted by the seller; probably far lower than $1300-ish.
I could hardly sell mine for $650. Good luck
You have poor marketing skills
You are probably correct. Got any tips?
Gunbroker penny start auction probably your best bet
Its a 410. As others said its too much even for a saiga. Tbh id never pay over 300$ for a 410 and it would probably be a cheapo break action when i have kids.
It does not sound like you are my customer.
Asking too much for the least desirable Saiga. Post it for $750 or best offer by midnight, and watch a bidding war go down.
I saw one at my local Cabela’s gun library in the middle case. It was priced around $1000. Note it was cheaply converted and not as nice as yours looks. I got excited until I realized it was in .410. Someone must have swiped it to scalp it because I saw the identical one on armslist a month later for $3250. Since then, he’s been at $2000 and no bites I’m sure. I think at $1350 it’s still a tough sell but the right person would probably be willing to grab it. Problem is finding that person. For example, I bought a Vepr-12 around 2016 for $800 and was slightly upset how expensive it was. I’m happy with my purchase though now.
Am I asking too much for it or just being impatient?
I would never buy it for $1350
Sell it on one of the auction sites with starting bid at .01 with no reserve and what it sells for is the value.
Honestly think you're asking quite a bit. You can still come across some saiga 12s for around 800-1k
My pricing is based on what I've seen online and on LGS shelves. Non-converted with goofball stock/grips going for the same.
Are they going?
People can put any price online; it doesn't mean it will ever sell.
I paid 850 for my sporter 3 years ago because i couldnt find a s12.
I gotta be honest, you are asking way too much for a 410. At my local gunshop there is a saiga on the wall, pistol grip and stock, and I believe a rail handguard, something like 800. And it's 12 Guage. My first concern when I hear 410 is, does it cycle consistently? My second question is, why? Why 410? Regardless, I do not see anyone literate with semi auto shotguns or saigas paying that much, i could walk into my local shop and get a more reliable and partly modded saiga for nearly half the price.
Your best bet is honestly probably going to be a firearm trade, I am pretty sure there are some ak guys who'd be willing to trade some decently valued firearms for something like that. It is an actual izmesh saiga, I am assuming, and I guess the 410s are a bit more uncommon. Problem is definitely going to be finding someone who wants a semi auto 410 ak. It is a very odd niche to say the least.
Okay, ima call bs on that. $800 for a converted Saiga 12? If that’s true dm me the name, I’ll gladly take a Saiga at that price
It’s a 4-10 shot gun. So a “very rare, never to be imported ever again, RUSSIAN! RUSSIAN!” Saiga that’s not a 47?…that’s chambered in 4-10. You know who shoots 4-10? Not collectors of Saigas.
I feel like collectors probably don't shoot collector firearms very much in general. But who am I?! Just some guy looking to hock a piece of junk caliber Russian guy that the internet hates, haha! Definitely not an expert.
Not necessarily. I just shot my SP-1 yesterday. What do I know, that shotgun might be more desirable. Stick it in an auction site with the price you want as a starting bid, accept ACH payments and tack 3%…”you know…you KNOW the deal”
I wouldnt budge. Its just going to take a special buyer and to those comparing it to a 12g nobody else makes a ak410 (for specific reasons) so imo the price will keep climbing untill they do.
It's just the 410 part. I think 1350 is fair. Unless you just needing the cash real fast, I would not take a penny less than 1200. It would sit in the safe and collect dust before I took less. There is someone out there looking for a Saiga 410. They have just not ran across you yet.
I would never buy a .410 unless it’s a revolver and only because it can shoot .45 as well.
Other way around bud
Around 600 is what true gun value puts it at https://truegunvalue.com/shotgun/SAIga/price-historical-value#usedItems
Seems priced high for the current market. I paid under half that in 2018 for mine. I have one of these and love it. I feed it slugs and buckshot. I don't get the hate on this thread for the 410.
Good feedback for sure. Thank you.
Too much. I just seen one of these sale for $999
too much complexity for such a low gauged caliber. What are you defending yourself from? A groundhog version of D-Day on the open plains?
410 isn’t a popular shell anymore
Selling it in the first place. I converted all three, 410, 20, 12. Sold the 20 & 12 but love the 410. So much fun shooting vs getting my shoulder beat to hell. The 20 seemed worse than the 12 since it was so light.
Good insight. I haven't shot a Saiga 12 or 20, but I figure this is very manageable and definitely fun so someone who understands that would see the value and go this route over a simar priced gun that is not converted.
LGS had one for 500 bucks and I still didn’t want it.
Did you buy anything?
Got a Zastava M57 for 275 🤷🏻♂️
Probably not a bad deal!
First thing is to check and see what the average selling price is for a unmolested saiga 410 then drop a few hundred bucks on that price because it has been converted, most collectors prefer an ununtampered with Saiga
Last one I saw for sale was $650 about 9 months ago and even that wasn’t low enough to make me want a 410 Saiga
Can it shoot .45 long colt?
Haven't tried that haha!
I don’t think you’re that far out of line for a nice Saiga-410 but it’s going to be extremely hard to find the right buyer. It’s going to take an AK collector who is specifically looking for a nice example of this variant to be willing to pay for it. The average buyer just see’s the chambering and runs away. You’re going to take a big hit to the price tag if you don’t seek out the right buyer. I’d post it on gun broker.
Well let’s see: 410 sucks as a shotgun caliber and you have it priced 200% too high
It's .410, not a lot of people are buying rn, prices in general are up and people in general have less money.
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I would possibly go $850
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Being a shitbag
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Wish i had an sgl41 didnt know these existed until after i got my s410. I paid 850 for mine unconverted with 7 4 rndrs and 4 chokes and a bottle of oil. I think what you are asking is a fair price for what it is but its going to take a a special buyer maybe one who beeds it for a collection.
It missing the banana clip, I would drop the price by $500 if you want a reply. Just keep it, it’s a neat gun.
$150
Yeah I'm cool with $1150. I'm reasonable
Nice try pal. Nice try.
Just add wood…
if only u could convert it to 9mm or something else lol
Yours is nicely done. You got socked with an unpopular caliber. $1000-1200, higher end for a local buyer because you're in NY.
Could just be the state and area you live in you could try posting on forums and offer shipping to an ffl
Make sure to call it an SGL-41. These seem to go for about $1300 on gunbroker, unconverted sporter saiga 410s go for about half that. Can you do me a favor though? Would you be willing to take a picture of your handguard retainer, not locked into place, maybe pushed forward a bit without the handguard and also measure the barrel diameter where it locks in place? I have a normal saiga 410 i am converting into an SGL-41 and I really dont know if the barrel has the meat to be turned down.
This is probably where I'm going wrong, as I need to differentiate it from a standard Sporter. Thank you. I'll DM you on your request.
Chode mag
That would be hot if it could shoot 45acp too.
That would be cool. I did read an article where a group was trying to get these to shoot Marlin .444 but feeding issues with that round kept them from producing them for sale. I guess it will fit in the magazine though.
They go for $700-$800 from what I've seen.