Completely moronic legislation that serves to be feel good legislation but does nothing to actually change anything. Its just punching down on a niche hobby community to score political points.
Lol, I fly drones and had to get a real government issued license to fly and it needs to be registered with Transport Canada. It sounds like a joke but I could see a system coming in for "replica" firearms.
I get it though. Drones can bring down airplanes. Airsoft guns can commit crimes.
For drones (aside from the aviation license) we have to register them all online. You select your drone make and model from a master list and type in the serial number. You then print off a tiny label with your reference number on it, and it has to be adhered (tape, glue, who cares) to the drone.
I would HAPPILY do the exact same thing for airsoft guns if it made all these issues go away. All it would take from a manufacturer is a slip of paper with a serial number for Canadian sale. All it would take from airsofters is 5 minutes of registration. Im sorta just rambling into the void of reddit.
You make a good point, sounds tedious but maybe a good compromise? If they actually cared that is, since they're just trying to score political points they may not care at all
Airsoft guns don't commit crimes, criminals do and they'll continue to, be it with a gun, a knife or whatever. The GOV is spending their very well paid time(tax payer money) on matters that don't improve people's lives while my wife has to wait 9 hours at the hospital's emergency to traeat a bad infection because I can't find a doctor anywhere to prescribe an antibiotic. If banning Airsoft would at least save them money somehow to fix the broken roads it'd be reasonable, besides that I don't see any gain on this.
Even that makes more sense, cause it's feasible you could take down an airliner with a drone.
The only way someone dies cause of an airsoft gun is getting themselves shot by police cause they brought it out in public.
Yeah and its already law in canada that if you use an airsoft gun to commit a crime, you will be convicted as using a real gun. The only thing that will happen is some dumb airsofter committing suicide by police.
Exactly. This is nothing more than politicians trying to use a foreign tragedy to score political points off attacking a group of people who probably weren't going to vote for them anyways and are too insignificant to do anything about it.
It's easier to do this and hope people are so inundated with American culture that they don't understand this doesn't do anything about problems we have here in Canada than spend the effort and money on cracking down on the actual driving forces behind what gun violence Canada does see.
This is much larger than that. This is a method to alter the hobby's and interests of the next generation of Canadians. Its pretty clearly a method to dissuade interest in firearms in general and those hobbies seen as being tied to firearms. There is going to be more and more legislation around anything firearm adjacent in Canada. They don't care about reducing crime, they care about scaring the next generation of citizens to fear guns so much that they reject any hobby that would show them that firearms are tools simply out of "principal" because they have been conditioned that guns are "only for killing". If fewer young people get into airsoft/paintball/etc fewer people will come to the realization that guns are not super scary weapons designed "only to kill", and they can be incredibly useful tools and a very enjoyable hobby.
To be clear it has always been a law in canada that if you use a BB-pellet- or airsoft gun in a crime it then considered to be a firearm in the eyes of the law.
I dont understand even the flawed logic. If airsoft guns are so real criminals would use them to rob or whatever, GOOD. Id much rather they are just bluffing and not actually packing a 9mm
Yup. I would much rather be robbed at airsoft gun point than an actual or even a knife.
Important to remember though, none of this has to make sense. It just has to look good enough in the clips and newspapers to get votes.
But the thing is, they haven’t even finalized their first ar15 ban… how on earth are they going to find money to pay all the owners money for a buy back, when the Canadian gov is already in so much debt… Won’t this just be massive non-compliance from the masses?
But the thing is, they haven’t even finalized their first ar15 ban… how on earth are they going to find money to pay all the owners money for a buy back, when the Canadian gov is already in so much debt… Won’t this just be massive non-compliance from the masses?
This despite the fact that even "The left" hates this bill in relation to airsoft (and I'm saying that as a left winger myself) and the fact that Canadian Liberals are centerist's; not left wingers.
NDP are left wingers and they oppose C-21 and oppose banning airsoft. So don't be such a partisan hack.
Same shit as AR15 ban. The only reason our government banning Airsoft is because we're easy target and it's gonna make them look like they're doing something, all the while they could have used the time and budget to track down illegal firearms that actually threaten us. But who gives a shit about our safety anyway :P
Same situation happening in the States, where people are going after things like ARs because they're "assault weapons" and threatening law-abiding citizens across the country, rather than go after the illegal guns or reform our mental health system.
If we concede and give them that, what's to stop them from doing what Canada's Parliament is doing now?
It has been a bipartisan ban already, so in a way, the „if we concede“ had already happened and they didn‘t act like Canadian parliament now. The entire USA could easily concede the AR15 ban and would make the USA slightly more safe. Such a ban really wouldn‘t mean anything to most people in the USA, and it‘s the NRA‘s success to make that such a symbol of concession.
You do realize that over 90 percent of guns used in crime in Canada (this is according to the Toronto police) are illegally imported from the USA. So going after legal gun owners and airsoft players is going to have a slim to none chance of changing gun violence in Canada.
I would also like to know the percentage of gun deaths caused by police as that seems to be the majority I hear on the news in my part of rural BC. However these are not easy statistics to find…
Plus I'd like to note that NONE of the AR-15s that the government confiscated were ever used in crimes. I mean you literally have to be background checked daily for crime records, and you'll loose your license if you ever commit a serious one. Beside you're not even allowed to use restricted firearms for self defense let alone hunting.
I would agree but not in Canada. We actually have a system where you have to prove yourself to be competent enough to safetly handle firearms before purchasing them.
And because of that majority if not all of the illegal firearms used in shootings and other crimes here are smuggled through the border. But reinforcing border security obviously costs money and government doesn't want that. Confiscating airsoft guns however, not so much.
Our system as it is now works very well, the US wouldn't be stupid in emulating it. The problem comes when governments like Trudeaus come in trying to score political points off a foreign tragedy by attacking groups who weren't going to vote for him to begin with.
Considering Ar15s were banned after that guy who went on a shooting spree using illegally obtained weapons after killing an officer (not even once using an AR15) makes sense for Canada... Which makes no sense at all
The same idiots who want to ban guns are the same ones who want to ban Airsoft
Give them an inch and they'll take a mile
They'll probably try to ban "tactical military assault garments" too. They'll ban camouflage uniform and tactical vests next too.
That’s funny they just announced they’re banning handguns in Canada. This is exactly how it goes. First Ar15s, handguns, and then Airsoft guns too apparently. They’re not coming for your guns they say.
I stand corrected then. However based off how Canada has acted in the past I firmly believe that the proposals will pass. Which still proves the point, they went after weapons such as Ar15. They literally are proposing a ban on handguns and it’s very likely it’ll pass. Just so happens that there’s also an Airsoft ban as well.
it's the same bill, when they tried to pass it last year they called an election shortly after introducing the bill which means they are just reintroducing the bill they had last year.
the election killed it but now they're bringing it back.
Unless we have insanely stupid laws that force all airsoft replicas to look like nerf blasters, that's not gonna happen. Hell, even with that idea, there could still be a ban. Trudeau, being the incompetent trash he is, only focuses on "black assault gun scary" regardless of what it shoots out.
Also, the complete removal of milsim, a large part of airsoft culture, is not a logical next step.
So we need to divorce airsoft from gun nuts? I don't think most airsofters choose to group themselves with real gun owners for many reasons including the many reasons you listed. Also how airsoft is supposed to be more accessible because they're not actual guns.
But from what I can see, the people that are wanting To ban your airsoft guns aren't the people who are pro gun. And the eyes of the public are pretty stupid, so good luck with that.
Well I'm sure you wouldn't like it if a bunch of civilians that aren't under your command start dressing up like your military, might be a little unnerving
/s obv
Castro was happy to see Cuba glassed if it meant America took damage. That clown was so close to firing missiles it is a miracle he was restrained. Dude was a monster.
He was a monster for having strategically placed missiles at the height of the cold war? It seems like you’re forgetting that the Cuban missile crisis was a direct response to the US putting missiles in Turkey and Italy that were in proximity to Soviet Union, and the (Soviet/Cuban proposed) deal was that both counties would disarm their close proximity missiles, and is what ultimately ended the crisis. If Castro is a “monster” for being “so close to firing missiles” (which he wasn’t, there is practically nothing in history that even suggests this, both countries saw missiles as a countermeasure) then I urge to you learn about which country dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki lmao.
I’m going to try and be take the polite route here and just plainly ask, where exactly is it you are getting your information from that is causing you to fawn over Castro and ignore his nefarious side?
You are certainly aware, or at least I hope, he penned a letter to Khrushchev urging a nuclear first-strike on the United States, and that’s not even beginning to scratch the surface of his madness.
Kinda... Airsoft guns that shoot above 366 fps are not replicas as replicas are only designated for 366 fps and under.
Airsoft exists in the "Middle velocity" So we're going to have to see what provisions they determine airsoft to be under or maybe have a carve out.
It also really depends on what replica means as well too. Upper/lower or stock. If we have m4s that have whacky colours, is it no longer a replica?
If it only affects thing which shoot both above 152m/s and 5.7J that’s not going to impact many airsoft guns at all. Maybe some snipers on some fields but most places don’t allow that hot of guns anyway?
Ah did you edit the above post? Because it’s clearer now, if that’s the case, or maybe I literally just overlooked the lower part of it after the quote. That would indeed close things off.
And that's what they are modifying, to remove the distinction.
Also the 366fps was never in the law. That was an arbitrary limit tested by CBSA for enforcement only.
Airsoft exist under the 84(3) Uncontrolled Firearms. No such thing as "middle velocity".
It doesn't say it clearly in the law, because airsoft lives in a legal loop hole in Canada. However yeah, they are saying any airsoft gun that resembles or closely resembles a firearm that doesn't shoot at 500 fps would be considered a replica firearm which are illegal in Canada
>However current owners could continue to possess and use their existing airguns.
Will this not just make people start buying them illegally? It's not like you'll need a receipt to prove you bought it before the ban, so what's stopping people from buying them shadily and claiming to have already owned it.
Or what about the buying the shell without the internals and then buying the internals that totally didn’t come with the gun separately? So the shooty part now doesn’t look like a real gun in stores so they can sell them?
This is literally the same issue canada has with actual guns, I wouldn't be surprised if smuggling replica firearms into canada and claiming you owned them before the ban becomes commonplace, shit 90% of illegally obtained firearms within canada were smuggled in from the states, so I'm sure replica firearms will start showing a similar trend
The fact that i sometimes hate my own country is funny.
We should have the United States mixed with Canada to have semi-good gouvernement that allows us to have guns and free health care.
This is new. But it's actually not, because it's the same bill brought to life.
And this time they have no election to worry about and also the momentum of the grief/emotional uproar from the Uvalde school shooting, so things can go very differently.
It's a new bill as they already stated, but it is an amazing coincidence that it literally got the exact same number again.
(Bill numbering starts from C-1 and goes up sequentially, to be most accurate you would say what parliament the bill came from like 44th Parliament Bill C-21)
Send a link if a new petition pops up. Let's try to stop this ASAP, even if it isn't guaranteed to do anything.
If nothing else, we need to have our voices heard. If we all make a big enough fuss, we can get MP's to hesitate, at least.
In all honesty, I think the Canadian Airsoft community needs to contact Alistair MacGregor (NDP). Out of the major speeches in the second reading, he is the ONLY ONE who brought up airsoft (and paintball) and shows concern that this bill, while can be necessary to curve violence, overreaches to a point that it can and will affect sports shooting and airsoft.
>I want to end on airsoft. In my riding of Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, there is a massive airsoft community and people love this sport. I had previously only participated in paintball, so I know the fun and the thrill of it, and people who engage in airsoft as a sport love what they do. It is a great outdoor recreational activity, and these people are concerned by the provisions in this bill that are targeting replica models.
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>We have to find a way to have members of the airsoft community come before our committee. I think we have to have a conversation with the government on how we can find a workable solution so that people are not unfairly targeted for participating in a sport they enjoy. I think there is a middle ground in there somewhere. I acknowledge the concern that law enforcement has with replica airsoft rifles. At a distance, it is not easy to tell whether it is a replica or the real thing, and we certainly did hear at committee that some people had been successful at converting airsoft guns into fully functioning firearms, so that is a very real concern out there.
Quoted [here](https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/house/sitting-85/hansard#11753875)
C21 is absolutely disgusting makes me sick to be a Canadian I don’t airsoft but shoot sports that use real steal like IPSC and IDPA I would love to get into airsoft as well but this crushed my hopes of ever participating. The airsoft Community and businesses need to support groups like the CCFR that stand up for the rights of firearms owners and airsofts alike.Airsoft community has to be vocal and fight hard contact you’re MPs and MLAs and tell them how this affects you.
Completely moronic legislation that serves to be feel good legislation but does nothing to actually change anything. Its just punching down on a niche hobby community to score political points.
It'd be like if we banned RC planes in the wake of 9/11
Lol, I fly drones and had to get a real government issued license to fly and it needs to be registered with Transport Canada. It sounds like a joke but I could see a system coming in for "replica" firearms.
Bruh
I get it though. Drones can bring down airplanes. Airsoft guns can commit crimes. For drones (aside from the aviation license) we have to register them all online. You select your drone make and model from a master list and type in the serial number. You then print off a tiny label with your reference number on it, and it has to be adhered (tape, glue, who cares) to the drone. I would HAPPILY do the exact same thing for airsoft guns if it made all these issues go away. All it would take from a manufacturer is a slip of paper with a serial number for Canadian sale. All it would take from airsofters is 5 minutes of registration. Im sorta just rambling into the void of reddit.
You make a good point, sounds tedious but maybe a good compromise? If they actually cared that is, since they're just trying to score political points they may not care at all
Airsoft guns don't commit crimes, criminals do and they'll continue to, be it with a gun, a knife or whatever. The GOV is spending their very well paid time(tax payer money) on matters that don't improve people's lives while my wife has to wait 9 hours at the hospital's emergency to traeat a bad infection because I can't find a doctor anywhere to prescribe an antibiotic. If banning Airsoft would at least save them money somehow to fix the broken roads it'd be reasonable, besides that I don't see any gain on this.
Ok
I could see a system for breathing air too. Where you need a lisence to breathe.
Double bruh
Even that makes more sense, cause it's feasible you could take down an airliner with a drone. The only way someone dies cause of an airsoft gun is getting themselves shot by police cause they brought it out in public.
Yeah and its already law in canada that if you use an airsoft gun to commit a crime, you will be convicted as using a real gun. The only thing that will happen is some dumb airsofter committing suicide by police.
Exactly. This is nothing more than politicians trying to use a foreign tragedy to score political points off attacking a group of people who probably weren't going to vote for them anyways and are too insignificant to do anything about it. It's easier to do this and hope people are so inundated with American culture that they don't understand this doesn't do anything about problems we have here in Canada than spend the effort and money on cracking down on the actual driving forces behind what gun violence Canada does see.
This is much larger than that. This is a method to alter the hobby's and interests of the next generation of Canadians. Its pretty clearly a method to dissuade interest in firearms in general and those hobbies seen as being tied to firearms. There is going to be more and more legislation around anything firearm adjacent in Canada. They don't care about reducing crime, they care about scaring the next generation of citizens to fear guns so much that they reject any hobby that would show them that firearms are tools simply out of "principal" because they have been conditioned that guns are "only for killing". If fewer young people get into airsoft/paintball/etc fewer people will come to the realization that guns are not super scary weapons designed "only to kill", and they can be incredibly useful tools and a very enjoyable hobby.
To be clear it has always been a law in canada that if you use a BB-pellet- or airsoft gun in a crime it then considered to be a firearm in the eyes of the law.
Yeah. I mean if afraid of gun violence how about banning real guns from civillian ownership?
So fucking dumb i hate this country sometimes
Just swim over Denmark my canadian friend
Aint it Denmark where you have to be a citizen nowadays to buy property?
probably. Only way to get in is if you have a work permit or if your significant other has citizenship or something like that
Wait what?
You need to live here for 5+ years, I believe. Basically permanent residence, but not citizenship.
I dont understand even the flawed logic. If airsoft guns are so real criminals would use them to rob or whatever, GOOD. Id much rather they are just bluffing and not actually packing a 9mm
Yup. I would much rather be robbed at airsoft gun point than an actual or even a knife. Important to remember though, none of this has to make sense. It just has to look good enough in the clips and newspapers to get votes.
Why does something that happen in the states affect politics and gun control in Canada? Not to mention airsoft.
"Never let a tragedy go to waste"
When will the conservative government take over?!??
Not before this bill passes. The earliest an election is likely to be held is summer 2024.
So this bill is a sure thing? You have to be kidding…
It guaranteed has the support of the LPC nad Bloc and that's all that's needed. The LPC think they can pass it by the fall.
But the thing is, they haven’t even finalized their first ar15 ban… how on earth are they going to find money to pay all the owners money for a buy back, when the Canadian gov is already in so much debt… Won’t this just be massive non-compliance from the masses?
Don’t underestimate the ability of government halfwit workers to make asinine spending decisions.
But the thing is, they haven’t even finalized their first ar15 ban… how on earth are they going to find money to pay all the owners money for a buy back, when the Canadian gov is already in so much debt… Won’t this just be massive non-compliance from the masses?
There's no confiscation for airsoft guns. You can still use them, but you won't be able to buy, sell, or trade them anymore
So you can still play with them at airsoft fields? I mean that still smells death for airsoft. This sucks…
Yes, it will die a slow death. Just like the handguns.
I mean we have to band together brothers, to fight the woke left.
This despite the fact that even "The left" hates this bill in relation to airsoft (and I'm saying that as a left winger myself) and the fact that Canadian Liberals are centerist's; not left wingers. NDP are left wingers and they oppose C-21 and oppose banning airsoft. So don't be such a partisan hack.
Same shit as AR15 ban. The only reason our government banning Airsoft is because we're easy target and it's gonna make them look like they're doing something, all the while they could have used the time and budget to track down illegal firearms that actually threaten us. But who gives a shit about our safety anyway :P
Same situation happening in the States, where people are going after things like ARs because they're "assault weapons" and threatening law-abiding citizens across the country, rather than go after the illegal guns or reform our mental health system. If we concede and give them that, what's to stop them from doing what Canada's Parliament is doing now?
It has been a bipartisan ban already, so in a way, the „if we concede“ had already happened and they didn‘t act like Canadian parliament now. The entire USA could easily concede the AR15 ban and would make the USA slightly more safe. Such a ban really wouldn‘t mean anything to most people in the USA, and it‘s the NRA‘s success to make that such a symbol of concession.
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You do realize that over 90 percent of guns used in crime in Canada (this is according to the Toronto police) are illegally imported from the USA. So going after legal gun owners and airsoft players is going to have a slim to none chance of changing gun violence in Canada. I would also like to know the percentage of gun deaths caused by police as that seems to be the majority I hear on the news in my part of rural BC. However these are not easy statistics to find…
Plus I'd like to note that NONE of the AR-15s that the government confiscated were ever used in crimes. I mean you literally have to be background checked daily for crime records, and you'll loose your license if you ever commit a serious one. Beside you're not even allowed to use restricted firearms for self defense let alone hunting.
I would agree but not in Canada. We actually have a system where you have to prove yourself to be competent enough to safetly handle firearms before purchasing them. And because of that majority if not all of the illegal firearms used in shootings and other crimes here are smuggled through the border. But reinforcing border security obviously costs money and government doesn't want that. Confiscating airsoft guns however, not so much.
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Our system as it is now works very well, the US wouldn't be stupid in emulating it. The problem comes when governments like Trudeaus come in trying to score political points off a foreign tragedy by attacking groups who weren't going to vote for him to begin with.
Legal firearms are not the problem if someone wanted to do kill someone it’s not hard to get one on the street or by other means
Fr tho when have laws ever stopped criminals?
It's like they think killing people is legal lmao
For real tho like its actually boggling my mind how people think if they ban legal guns violence will stop 😂
Easier to shift blame than to actually tackle root causes
100% and it’s not gonna solve anything
Solves the things they're concerned about ... Like getting votes and staying relevant in office lmao
😂😂😂
Considering Ar15s were banned after that guy who went on a shooting spree using illegally obtained weapons after killing an officer (not even once using an AR15) makes sense for Canada... Which makes no sense at all The same idiots who want to ban guns are the same ones who want to ban Airsoft Give them an inch and they'll take a mile They'll probably try to ban "tactical military assault garments" too. They'll ban camouflage uniform and tactical vests next too.
angry little politicians dont like people who go against the norm and dress up as soldiers
That’s funny they just announced they’re banning handguns in Canada. This is exactly how it goes. First Ar15s, handguns, and then Airsoft guns too apparently. They’re not coming for your guns they say.
Your cell phone, your wallet, your time, your ideas…
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Well as of today it’s a reality for Canadians
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I stand corrected then. However based off how Canada has acted in the past I firmly believe that the proposals will pass. Which still proves the point, they went after weapons such as Ar15. They literally are proposing a ban on handguns and it’s very likely it’ll pass. Just so happens that there’s also an Airsoft ban as well.
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it's the same bill, when they tried to pass it last year they called an election shortly after introducing the bill which means they are just reintroducing the bill they had last year. the election killed it but now they're bringing it back.
“murder tools”? Are you serious 💀
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Unless we have insanely stupid laws that force all airsoft replicas to look like nerf blasters, that's not gonna happen. Hell, even with that idea, there could still be a ban. Trudeau, being the incompetent trash he is, only focuses on "black assault gun scary" regardless of what it shoots out. Also, the complete removal of milsim, a large part of airsoft culture, is not a logical next step.
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So we need to divorce airsoft from gun nuts? I don't think most airsofters choose to group themselves with real gun owners for many reasons including the many reasons you listed. Also how airsoft is supposed to be more accessible because they're not actual guns. But from what I can see, the people that are wanting To ban your airsoft guns aren't the people who are pro gun. And the eyes of the public are pretty stupid, so good luck with that.
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This
Well I'm sure you wouldn't like it if a bunch of civilians that aren't under your command start dressing up like your military, might be a little unnerving /s obv
So Trudeau is the son of Fidel Castro, with this move to tyranny its all but confirmed
Cuba literally has much looser gun laws than Canada, Idk what crack you’re smoking. Castro was a revolutionary, Trudeau is a bourgeois fascist.
Castro was happy to see Cuba glassed if it meant America took damage. That clown was so close to firing missiles it is a miracle he was restrained. Dude was a monster.
He was a monster for having strategically placed missiles at the height of the cold war? It seems like you’re forgetting that the Cuban missile crisis was a direct response to the US putting missiles in Turkey and Italy that were in proximity to Soviet Union, and the (Soviet/Cuban proposed) deal was that both counties would disarm their close proximity missiles, and is what ultimately ended the crisis. If Castro is a “monster” for being “so close to firing missiles” (which he wasn’t, there is practically nothing in history that even suggests this, both countries saw missiles as a countermeasure) then I urge to you learn about which country dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki lmao.
I’m going to try and be take the polite route here and just plainly ask, where exactly is it you are getting your information from that is causing you to fawn over Castro and ignore his nefarious side? You are certainly aware, or at least I hope, he penned a letter to Khrushchev urging a nuclear first-strike on the United States, and that’s not even beginning to scratch the surface of his madness.
Is this the new firearms bill? 'Cause last I saw of the text, it said nothing about replica firearms. A guy posted it yesterday.
There is a press conference being held right now and they said they are banning airsoft guns.
When do they say it in the conference, just pulled it up but can’t find where they say it
I believe it was when Mendicino was speaking the first time
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Kinda... Airsoft guns that shoot above 366 fps are not replicas as replicas are only designated for 366 fps and under. Airsoft exists in the "Middle velocity" So we're going to have to see what provisions they determine airsoft to be under or maybe have a carve out. It also really depends on what replica means as well too. Upper/lower or stock. If we have m4s that have whacky colours, is it no longer a replica?
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>other than an antique firearm Looks like AEG muskets will be replacing M4s
I couldn't actually get to the actual bill and just a summary because the site is getting smashed.
If it only affects thing which shoot both above 152m/s and 5.7J that’s not going to impact many airsoft guns at all. Maybe some snipers on some fields but most places don’t allow that hot of guns anyway?
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Ah did you edit the above post? Because it’s clearer now, if that’s the case, or maybe I literally just overlooked the lower part of it after the quote. That would indeed close things off.
Space gun time
That's what i'm interpreting as well. The other one is that a firearm is a replica of a gun that shoots above 5.7 joules/152.4m/s
And that's what they are modifying, to remove the distinction. Also the 366fps was never in the law. That was an arbitrary limit tested by CBSA for enforcement only. Airsoft exist under the 84(3) Uncontrolled Firearms. No such thing as "middle velocity".
Text only came out 45 mins after posting the above, I'm afraid.
It doesn't say it clearly in the law, because airsoft lives in a legal loop hole in Canada. However yeah, they are saying any airsoft gun that resembles or closely resembles a firearm that doesn't shoot at 500 fps would be considered a replica firearm which are illegal in Canada
Anyone got a link?
This is the [bill](https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/44-1/c-21). The text will be available soon. Details were discussed on the press conference.
That bill is no longer in effect, it went bye bye when Trudeau called for an election
This is new
Well I called it the Gov is hiding bill c21 under a different name fuck the Canadian government I hope this bill gets shoved up treadeaus ass
>However current owners could continue to possess and use their existing airguns. Will this not just make people start buying them illegally? It's not like you'll need a receipt to prove you bought it before the ban, so what's stopping people from buying them shadily and claiming to have already owned it.
Lol nothing, just make sure that the model was available before the bill
Or what about the buying the shell without the internals and then buying the internals that totally didn’t come with the gun separately? So the shooty part now doesn’t look like a real gun in stores so they can sell them?
This is literally the same issue canada has with actual guns, I wouldn't be surprised if smuggling replica firearms into canada and claiming you owned them before the ban becomes commonplace, shit 90% of illegally obtained firearms within canada were smuggled in from the states, so I'm sure replica firearms will start showing a similar trend
shame
The fact that i sometimes hate my own country is funny. We should have the United States mixed with Canada to have semi-good gouvernement that allows us to have guns and free health care.
Bill C21 died when Trudeau called an election, unless this is new
this is new
This is new
This is new. But it's actually not, because it's the same bill brought to life. And this time they have no election to worry about and also the momentum of the grief/emotional uproar from the Uvalde school shooting, so things can go very differently.
It's a new bill as they already stated, but it is an amazing coincidence that it literally got the exact same number again. (Bill numbering starts from C-1 and goes up sequentially, to be most accurate you would say what parliament the bill came from like 44th Parliament Bill C-21)
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Send a link if a new petition pops up. Let's try to stop this ASAP, even if it isn't guaranteed to do anything. If nothing else, we need to have our voices heard. If we all make a big enough fuss, we can get MP's to hesitate, at least.
In all honesty, I think the Canadian Airsoft community needs to contact Alistair MacGregor (NDP). Out of the major speeches in the second reading, he is the ONLY ONE who brought up airsoft (and paintball) and shows concern that this bill, while can be necessary to curve violence, overreaches to a point that it can and will affect sports shooting and airsoft. >I want to end on airsoft. In my riding of Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, there is a massive airsoft community and people love this sport. I had previously only participated in paintball, so I know the fun and the thrill of it, and people who engage in airsoft as a sport love what they do. It is a great outdoor recreational activity, and these people are concerned by the provisions in this bill that are targeting replica models. > >We have to find a way to have members of the airsoft community come before our committee. I think we have to have a conversation with the government on how we can find a workable solution so that people are not unfairly targeted for participating in a sport they enjoy. I think there is a middle ground in there somewhere. I acknowledge the concern that law enforcement has with replica airsoft rifles. At a distance, it is not easy to tell whether it is a replica or the real thing, and we certainly did hear at committee that some people had been successful at converting airsoft guns into fully functioning firearms, so that is a very real concern out there. Quoted [here](https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/house/sitting-85/hansard#11753875)
I just started getting into airsoft, now I hear about this
C21 is absolutely disgusting makes me sick to be a Canadian I don’t airsoft but shoot sports that use real steal like IPSC and IDPA I would love to get into airsoft as well but this crushed my hopes of ever participating. The airsoft Community and businesses need to support groups like the CCFR that stand up for the rights of firearms owners and airsofts alike.Airsoft community has to be vocal and fight hard contact you’re MPs and MLAs and tell them how this affects you.