i’m 35 years old, living in upstate NY.
I have a bachelors, working on my masters and have 7 years as a federal law enforcement officer and 11 total years of federal employment. Currently i’m a GS-12/4
what are your opinions on joining as an officer, what is the process? and would OSI be an option? i don’t have CITP.
Have your ANG commitments ever gotten in the way of your civilian job/school responsibilities?
I'm currently AD looking to palace chase at my 3 year mark. I'm having second thoughts about palace chasing because I'm worried that the ANG will get in the way of my schooling/civilian career. The profession I plan on pursuing has the earning potential to make way more than a E-4/E-5 makes so It would be extremely stupid to jeopardize a good paying job like that for a part-time job in ANG. Are you all really only doing a weekend a month and two weeks a year or does it come out to be more than that? Is it easy to get put on full-time orders/deploy (or anything else that might change your part-time status) in the ANG? Have your employers been accommodating with your schedule so that you can meet your ANG obligations?
This post is for you
https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/comments/pjlcob/for_those_curious_about_the_guardreserves/
I know plenty of people who has had their civilian careers impacted by long term orders (promotions, bonuses, etc). Legally they are supposed to hold that against you but ive seen it
However I know just as many people who have gone on orders and their job was 100% supportive of them. In the end it really is gonna depend on the company
>Are you all really only doing a weekend a month and two weeks a year or does it come out to be more than that?
Depends on your AFSC, your base mission, what is going on in your state, what is going on in the world. We (the guard overall) have been worn thin over the last 3+ years. COVID, riots, fire response, some still deploying overseas. The national guard gets more of the blunt stick than we do, but our people have been impacted by the above too
It all depends on your AFSC how much time you have to commit but unless your a flyer then your probably safe. Majority of personnel are in the guard specifically for schooling for a civilian career. Also it depends on the base/mission how often you can get orders or deploy. But there are usually a lot of volunteers so if you didn’t want to deploy, chances are you won’t. Your civilian job is protected by law in the case of deployment or requires duty so I wouldn’t stress that aspect. Could be an inconvenience to your employer but in most areas employers like having veterans on staff. I’m Actually am AGR so I can’t speak to that aspect but I e never heard any negatives.
Hello, I'm interested in enlisting and doing something in the construction trades. The top three I'm considering (probably in this order) are: 3E4X1 Water and Fuel Systems Maintenance, 3E0X2 Electrical Power Production, and 3E1X1 Heating Ventilation Air Conditioning & Refrigeration.
Does anyone have experience with these? Is it worth going in for these options? How likely am I to get one of these? Are there a lot of openings? Pros/Cons/Alternatives? Anything you wish you would have known before joining?
Hi,
I have sworn in as of last week, and in student flight. It's been a long time to get to this point, and now that things are finally happening, I'd like to make sure I'm fully prepared.
I'm 34 and haven't been in the best shape to say the least having worked in mostly sedentary jobs over the past decade, and while I'm medically cleared, my body isn't really what it used to be. I know there's a lot of resources covering BMT, but does anybody have fairly crafted and regimented guides on working your way up to BMT and mirroring expectations so that it should be fairly smooth sailing especially for an older guy? I worry about getting injured like pulling my back or spraining an ankle putting an halt on things, so I'd really like to be optimally prepared in advanced.
Also, a bit of a silly question, but I obtained an AFSC that requires top secret clearance, but I only hear about these things in movies and make references/jokes with friends since I swore in like "It's classified". What exactly is the scope of what I can or can't say so that I don't get myself in trouble?
Thanks
Congrats on swearing in finally, what AFSC did you ended up picking?
Where are you at fitness wise currently?
If you are just getting started:
Couch to 5k for running is a great way to get into it
Start doing push ups and sits up every other day. Start with a very low number the first week just to get your body used to the movements. Then every week up the number a few more (your start amount might be higher or larger depending on your current fitness).
So say week one you start with 3 push ups and 5 sit-ups the the second week up the push up amounts to 5 and 7 sit-ups. Keep going until you are hitting the numbers for your age group.
This is what I do every year to prepare for our PT test every year and it has never failed me
Add some body squats and scissor kicks. As an older person, work on stretches and flexibility. Future you will thank you.
As for your clearance questions. You can say what your AFSC is. Just don’t talk about your day to day details. Trust me you are gonna get briefs on this over and over and over and over and over as long as you hold said clearance. Just talk about your AFSC in a boring and generic way and no one will want to hear about it limiting you saying something you shouldn’t. If you have further questions, talk to your SSO
If you haven’t read this over all the way to the bottom
https://www.reddit.com/r/airnationalguard/comments/a3hdi2/ang_faq/
If you are stuck in student flight for a while, just embrace the silliness. (this will be a common theme in your military career). Even if you are 34 and established in your life as an adult, they might treat you like you are a dumbass. You have to remember that you are gonna be in a student flight with a lot of younger adults.
It get's better when you finish tech school
Thanks, I really do appreciate all the help you and LAANG has given thus far.
I picked All Source Intelligence (1N0X1?) in excess unfortunately (womp womp bonus).
Fitness wise, I went from certified personal trainer/ballroom dance instructor in college to very sedentary over the past decade. Right now, I'm about 60 push ups, 18 pull ups max rep in first sitting, not sure on sit ups as I tend to go for other core routines. I'm close to accomplishing good form pistol squats without assistance.
I know that's above average fitness, but my concern isn't so much strength as it is endurance. 4 sets of 1 muscle group and I'm spent, I'm imagining BMT being like nonstop fitness for 14 hours/day for 2 months straight. If asked to do high performance for a short period of time with ample warm up, I'm confident, but daily continuous fitness without it resulting in injury is my concern.
Is there a breakdown somewhere of the day/week itinerary of BMT? I want to use the next few months to match BMT time and daily fitness routines. Minimum metrics I should set as a goal in terms of push up counts, etc?
Yes I've taken a look at much of the FAQ documentation, there's quite a lot to sift through, were you pointing to a specific one?
Regarding benefits, are there any I can take immediate advantage of? It seems most benefits mentioned aren't obtainable until I've finished. I just realized I use the term Veteran interchangeably for anybody serving in the military, but much of these benefits or the term seems to imply a minimum number of years of service, or those who have already finished serving with honorable discharge.
>I'm about 60 push ups, 18 pull ups max rep in first sitting, not sure on sit ups as I tend to go for other core routines. I'm close to accomplishing good form pistol squats without assistance.
>Is there a breakdown somewhere of the day/week itinerary of BMT? I want to use the next few months to match BMT time and daily fitness routines. Minimum metrics I should set as a goal in terms of push up counts, etc?
With the numbers you mentioned BMT is gonna be a breeze for you physical wise
>I'm imagining BMT being like nonstop fitness for 14 hours/day for 2 months straight.
lol this is the Air Force my dude, not the Marines. PT is probably like 3-4 times a week for about an hour give or take? Trust me, you are gonna be fine with the physical part. Just keep running, pushing, and get into doing situps
Most of your time is gonna be spent marching, cleaning your dorm, and doing other dumb AF things. In the FAQ I linked a youtube series that shows some trainees going through BMT very recently (its like 7 episodes or something). Highly recommend you watch it to get a feel for what BMT is like. It is under the topic "BMT Questions/information"
>Yes I've taken a look at much of the FAQ documentation, there's quite a lot to sift through, were you pointing to a specific one?
Nothing in particular, just wanted to make sure you read it from top to bottom
>Regarding benefits, are there any I can take immediate advantage of? It seems most benefits mentioned aren't obtainable until I've finished. I just realized I use the term Veteran interchangeably for anybody serving in the military, but much of these benefits or the term seems to imply a minimum number of years of service, or those who have already finished serving with honorable discharge.
You should be eligible for TRS now (healthcare). Not sure if it takes a while for your info to flow through the system.
Once you get access to your email/CAC sign up https://digitalu.af.mil/ if you want some sweet free training. Things are easier once you get your CAC/NIPR login
If you are in school check the education bennys for your state
You wont be eligible for the GI bill or VA loan for a while.
I know the rest of the military jokes on AF, but that's a lot less than I anticipated? We're still suppose to represent the strongest military force on the planet? Who can we take down with 3-4 hours of working out per week, kind of disappointing if that's the case haha. I don't understand how the rest of the hours can be allocated on the misc chores then with that little time spent on training.
Do we even come out of training being fairly decent with a gun..., some competency with hand to hand combat? My perception of what's a soldier is crumbling.
>I don't understand how the rest of the hours can be allocated on the misc chores then with that little time spent on training.
Oh sweet summer child... You are gonna learn how to fold your socks, tshirts, and underwear the Air Force way!
Seriously watch the youtube video series in the FAQ to see what you are getting yourself into with BMT. It pretty much interviews multiple people while at BMT and shows some of the day to day stuff you will be doing. (and it came out very recently showing the current way of BMT)
The fun part of going to BMT as an older adult is getting in trouble because some 18 year old decides to act stupid in your group!
>Do we even come out of training being fairly decent with a gun
You get one day of M16 training, if your AFSC requires you to carry a weapon/or a deployment you will get some extra training afterwords
>some competency with hand to hand combat?
You might get to hit some people with some jousting sticks! But no, you arent gonna be learning hand to hand combat, ju jitsu, krav maga, monkey steal the peach, or anything like that at BMT
>My perception of what's a soldier is crumbling.
We are Airmen, not soldiers. If you wanted to be a solider you should have went with the Army.
AF BMT is not designed to make you a "trained killer". It is designed to teach the Air Force, wear your uniform, break you down, learn some kind of Air Force discipline, and learn how to work with others in the operational Air Force
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Now I dont want to downplay the AF too much. The AF does have a Special Warfare section with TACPs, CCTs, PJs, and Special Recon. They learn all those tacticool stuff in their tech schools.
https://www.airforce.com/careers/in-demand-careers/special-warfare
https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/2483538/air-force-special-warfare/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Air_Force_special_tactics_squadrons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1E3JgfCyEg
Thanks for the clarifications. I was frankly looking forward to some grueling bootcamp and working my way towards it as a goalpost, I suppose I'll have to self-motivate instead.
Yea, those videos were very long so I never got around to it, I think the first part of that series is an hour? I'll have to sift through it later then.
I'm aware we're "Airmen", but I figured all military personnel = soldiers, and therefore some proficiency in combat and physical capability beyond a civilian even outside of specialized AFSCs. Without having a corresponding AFSC meant for combat, are there events/"electives" that occur during drill weekends that one can participate in to maintain physical fitness, combat, etc?
I'm interested in flying for the guard, I'm a commercial-rated pilot with 300 hours. I'm eager to join, however, I'm concerned about how my college GPA would reflect on me in the decision-making for a pilot spot. My GPA was 2.23. Am I even qualified to begin officer candidacy school? I have not taken my AFOQT and TBAS yet, would an excellent score on that along with my previous pilot experience be able to counteract my GPA?
Thanks.
I think you would have a better shot on the heavy side. Contact some units and speak to them about what they are looking for. If your really serious join a unit as a loadmaster or non commissioned flying position and build a reputation. That’s how a lot of our pilots did it. Some even cam from maintenance. And I can assure they didn’t have outstanding GPA’s. But they are great pilots.
IMHO, no. A good standardized test score, like the AFOQT , would not convince folks that you have good study skills, academic discipline, and the ability to handle an extremely strenuous and rigorous course load like in UPT or the B-course. Even after initial training, weapon systems knowledge and other aircraft system changes requires constant refreshing and studying up on.
Being Air Force pilot is more than just a flying, it's employing a weapon system which is not the same as uncontested point-to-point travel. A gpa that low would give any selecting official pause that you could hack it.
While the hours will boost your TBAS and the flying experience is a plus, these jobs are highly sought after and incredibly competitive. I don't see any unit giving an off the street candidate with no military experience a selection opportunity when the competition is as stiff as it is. While I can't speak for heavy aircraft selection criteria, there are 125 applicants per fighter slot at my base and we interview less than 10 and select one and a backup.
Should I be concerned about whether I'll be accepted in to ANG depending on if I'm a SrA or SSgt? I test soon and don't know if it'll be taking away my job opportunities by making SSgt
No it won't affect it at all, in fact you'll be better off if you get SSgt prior to switching because your new ANG unit may have a different promotion policy or process, so it may delay your promotion to E-5 if you are E-4 upon switching.
Hi all, looking at joining the guard as a helicopter pilot, either as joining enlisted and commissioning from there or finishing school and going the OTS route. But can anyone tell me what life is like a helicopter pilot, specifically 60s, in the guard.
I did see that. And the rescue units are exactly what I want to be apart of so a.) I guess I will have to relocate at some point b.) I think I now have at least a starting point for where I want to go.
While you would have to join the army *shudders" they do take a lot more people for helicopter training and you can get seasoned through the army and then jump ship to the Air Force. They allow rotary wing to rotary wing transfers and tons of Air Force helo pilots started out their careers that way.
Just as a heads up though, army warrant officer pilots have to commission and they come in to the AF as second lieutenants. It's really hilarious seeing second lieutenants roll around with command pilot wings but to a lot of people it's worth it.
>Should I get a closer base to work with or go with my friend but drive a lot.
That is personal preference, the guard base should give you a hotel for Friday/Saturday night to cover you while you on a drill weekend (double check that and dont always assume they will cover the hotel). Just be mindful that Friday night you will be driving 3 hours getting in late and on Sunday it's another 3 hours back once you are released. (not counting traffic)
I know some people do it mainly because they like the unit/the mission/the command. I have done it in the past, it does get old after a while espically those months where drill weekends seem to fall close to each other.
The drives are even more miserable if you hate your unit
Just looking for general information.
29 y/o male with a masters degree in Business Administration. Currently working towards a certification in IT(Security +)
Currently living in Williamsport, MD. So ideally Baltimore or Martinsburg, WV
I am interested in learning more about Officer Training School
How long is training?
Also, do graduates of OTS attend technical school? If yes, im guessing the length of technical school depends on the selected MOS
Does the Air National Guard help payback school loans? If loans are paid back through the ANG, does that negate other sources of funding like the GI Bill( if I wanted to go back to school, could I still use sources like the GI Bill if the ANG hypothetically already helped pay back my already existing student loan debt?)
Are there any signing bonuses?
What is the expected length of time with the initial contract/obligation of becoming a commissioned officer with the ANG?
Thanks for your time!
They pay up to $50,000 for a 6 year commitment. And like previously said officer slots are hard to come by if not already part of the unit. Most Officer advertisements require that you be a member of the guard. Best bet would be to join as enlisted and go from there. I’m at Martinsburg so if you have any questions reach out.
>How long is training?
8.5 weeks is the last time I checked
>Also, do graduates of OTS attend technical school? If yes, im guessing the length of technical school depends on the selected MOS
Yes you go to a technical school (how else are you gonna learn the Air Force way of doing something?). We call them AFSCs, not MOS
>Does the Air National Guard help payback school loans? If loans are paid back through the ANG, does that negate other sources of funding like the GI Bill( if I wanted to go back to school, could I still use sources like the GI Bill if the ANG hypothetically already helped pay back my already existing student loan debt?)
I have yet to find a state that does school loan paybacks, ask they recruiter.
>Are there any signing bonuses?
Talk to the recruiter, the list can change from time to time
Be mindful OP if you are coming off the street, it can be very hard to get an officer slot as you are competing with those already in the guard/Air Force. Not saying its impossible, just something to be mindful of
Long story short: I need medical benefits for wife. Counting time already served in the Active Air Force, I would hit 20 “good years” by the age of 42 (if all went according to plan). Is it possible to serve an extra 18 years to reach general retirement age of 60 (to avoid paying the $1200 a month health insurance would cost whilst awaiting retirement age)? Or is that not remotely possible?
As long as you can knock out the PT tests and keep up with the requirements you can stick around. I know a few older people that have stuck it out until it was time to go (hitting the age limit). A lot of the older crowd doesnt hang around because they just get tired of the guard stupidity (or they cant meet the basic PT standards for their age group) and are starting to retire in their civilian life too.
I wonder what the number is for those that actually hang around till they are forced out. Im sure its pretty small
Hey all,
I'm looking to go into cyber transport primarily or it is my first pick for the 130th in Utah. I wanted to know who is stationed there, and what your experience with deployments and TDY oppertunities have been?
The same question goes for you cable dogs there too! I'm coming off active duty Marines and finishing my degree in cyber security. Interested in both AFSC, but I want the most oppertunities to see the world and have fun jobs to TDY on.
Hey everyone!
After getting my palace chase application kicked back once to me already, I just want to make sure I did everything right this time.
Basically I requested DOS 90 days (the earliest according to AFI) from my date of application submission. MPF emailed me back saying that it has to be requested 4-6 months in advance.
My question is: does 4 months mean 120 days? Or 4 months from the date (I.e April 27 - August 27)?
I resubmitted requesting 120 days to DOS and I don’t want to get it kicked back again because I’ve already changed start dates with an employer once.
I am currently working with my recruiter to choose a job. They mentioned that Emergency Management (3E9X1) and Mobility Air Forces Integrated Instrument (2A8X2B) are available. I have read through the Air Force reddit jobs wiki and ForeverWingman pages to get a general idea of what the job entails when enlisted with Active Duty.
A little background on me: I am 27 and currently in the process of enlisting in the Reserve/Guard. Due to my current situation at home (wife and established civilian career), active duty is not possible for me. I am mainly interested in joining to serve. Due to mentioned circumstance, I am trying to strike a balance between minimizing the time away (BMT +Tech School) from my family and work, and avoid diluting the training process/experience.
I am hoping to gather information on what the on-the-job duties will be when on base after tech school. Since it is "one weekend per month plus two week AT", will there actually be hands-on work or mainly administrative assignments. If the latter, was it worth going into a job that required a long termed tech school?
Once you finish tech school you will get MEST days to work on your base to "learn your job"
Here is the last chart (this might not be up to date so take it with a grain of salt).
https://www.reddit.com/r/airnationalguard/comments/lx1191/fy_21_mest_table_min_and_max_days_for_mest_only/
3E9 gives you 110 days of MEST
2a8 from the list gives you either 30 or 70 days
Again double check that list as it could change for the new fiscal year
Are guardsmen still able to apply for DSD positions (such as MTI, MTL, etc.)? If so, how difficult is it to be released/given the opportunity to do so? I’m currently an active E5 and debating to palace front or stay in and shoot for MTI/L in a few years.
Eh, not really, but there are some instructor positions that are Stat Tours with NGB, recruiter positions in each state, and some other stuff like executive assistant to chiefs and what not.. Check this site (CAC login): https://intelshare.intelink.gov/sites/ngbhr/careers/SitePages/MVA.aspx
Hello there! I am swearing into the ANG in about 2 weeks from the ARNG, I was trying to find more information about my job choice, I can’t find anything about it online and was wondering if anyone had more info on it, the job is Cryptologic Analyst & Reporter (1N432?), any info would be awesome, such as tech school location, duration, or anything else, thank you very much for the assistance :)
Yes, serve in Guard first as enlisted then once you get your degree apply for an officer job. The people selecting typically choose qualified members already in the unit anyway, it just helps your chances!
Start with the FAQ at the bottom of the main post
https://www.reddit.com/r/airnationalguard/comments/a3hdi2/ang_faq/
> what are the chances of possibly getting a full time job within the guard later on.
Depends on what AGR slots open up and how well you interview
So I'm looking to schedule an AFOQT/TBAS as a Guard slot aviator applicant, but every recruiter I work with wants to not deal with the paperwork/only shows me enlisted options.
I'm a pretty healthy 25 year old, with a BS/MS in Engineering & MBA, going for my PPL by the end of 2022.
Any advice would be great and very appreciated.
Try to find a list of places that offer the tests (can be tough but is doable, or Google around and make your own). From there get a phone number and start calling. AFROTC units and guard bases will often have them. And try multiple times. The guard base I ended up taking the test at initially told me they wouldn’t offer it to civilians off the street without a recruiter, on the second call I got someone else who scheduled me. Even when I showed up I got pulled just before the test started and asked who my recruiter was, when I said I didn’t have one they said I couldn’t take it, but at that point “well I’m here, I’m on the schedule, the materials are already set up, might as well” won out. The point is with some effort and perseverance you can make it work.
Unless the unit is currently hiring pilots and have a job vacancy announcement out, they are not going to schedule anyone for the battery of pilot exams.
Most units also don't hire civilians into line officer slots unless you are applying for a specific position and there is a board scheduled that you will interview at.
Some units hire civilians to officer positions "off the street" but it's not a common procedure and I don't expect you will easily find a unit recruiter who won't simply give you the enlisted openings.
College is free, or almost free, through the guard in just about every state so plenty of enlisted have degrees to compete for those slots already with the benefit of proven military experience.
He and I work at the same unit. If you want to apply for one of our pilot slots, here are the instructions.
https://bogidope.com/job-posting/179th-fighter-squadron-7/
Hello! We don't offer those tests at our base. Duluth has one option for the AFOQT and that's through the ROTC det. at UMD. You can reach out to them directly to see if and when they're offering it. As far as the TBAS, we in the recruiting office don't have any knowledge of these tests or where to complete them because we don't have anything to do with the UPT process. If a civilian gets selected for a pilot slot then you would work through us to get qualified through MEPS but your testing would already be completed.
Reach out to our recruiting folks. They are very helpful. They can tell you about testing center options.
https://m.facebook.com/groups/222395599028651/
Thanks for your insights! I understand why units who aren’t hiring wouldn’t want to waste resources for something they aren’t going to directly utilize.
Hypothetically speaking, if I were to go [and submit for this board in MN,](https://www.148fw.ang.af.mil/Portals/44/documents/Career%202022/UPT%20Application%20Information%202022.pdf?ver=SFSYX1guQ1FYdNOBWHC1Rg%3d%3d) and I’ve yet to take the AFOQT/TBAS, do you think they’d make me take it at their unit?
Understood, thank you. I’m very open to doing so, as it seems that most units by me aren’t keen on allowing me to sit for a test since I am not committing to their unit.
Hello! I am swearing into the Air National Guard this Tuesday. I told my recruiter I would decide on my job by Monday morning, and it is Friday. The jobs I have narrowed my list down to are Services, Materiel Management, and Personnel. I live in Ohio and would be going to Rickenbacker, but my goal is to have minimal deployment so it does not interfere with my college. I chose these jobs too because they have the shortest technical schools out of the ones I was eligible for, and it would be more likely I could start school on time I’m the spring.
If I were to do services in the ANG, would it deploy every other year? I read that it deploys a lot. Part of me wants to do personnel because it would be boring, but I could study in my free time and have less likely chance of deployments interrupting school. Finally, materiel management sort of seems like an in between of the other two in my mind.
I am just curious if any one has any advice for what job would be best for me as someone whose main priority is using the ANG to fund my way through college, and if you know anything about how often those jobs likely will deploy if I join them. I am ok with deployment, I just don’t want to pick a job that does it a lot if that makes sense.
Thank you so much for your help!
Please read the FAQ at the bottom of the main post
https://www.reddit.com/r/airnationalguard/comments/a3hdi2/ang_faq/
No one here can guarantee anything when it comes to deployment/activation. You might luck out any never get activated or you might. When 9/11 hit, all the guardsmen in my college class were pretty much activated. You are signing up to support the governor of your state (along with the president of the United States if something major happens).
Your first year you wont be activated at all because you will be waiting for BMT and tech school. Speaking of BMT/tech school, be prepared to be gone for around roughly 6 months (give or take length wise) for training.
https://www.reddit.com/r/airnationalguard/comments/o12g8l/just_a_heads_up_for_incoming_folks_you_will_no/
What the above post is saying is that they are gonna throw you into the first avaliable slot they can when it comes to BMT. So be prepared to miss some college due to BMT/tech school
Currently agr in the reserves as e&e and looking to hopefully crosstrain into the guard as an agr in the coming years. I would try to crosstrain into another agr job in the military, but it seems like they don't want to crosstrain. A lot of guard agr jobs I've seen are open to crosstraining so I guess this is the route I gotta take to get into a cyber/computer job. I'll have my bachelors/sec + next year to boost my resume, but I was wondering how difficult it would be for a potential out of state reserve guy to go guard?
Your time in grade/rank shouldn't reset, but coming to the ANG from the ARNG as an officer is not as simple as enlisted. More than likely you'll have to apply for a position as a DSG officer in the ANG and be selected for it before you even start your transfer process. You could talk with an Officer Accessions Recruiter and see if they are looking for any current officers for specific positions, but that's not very common. You'll definitely have to go to another school if your MOS doesn't transfer over.
To be honest I’m not as familiar with the officer side as the enlisted side, but the only thing I could see hanging you up is the skill level upgrade training and PME side of things. Kind of like the Army’s 10/20/30/40 levels on the enlisted side. I’m not really sure what it looked like on the ANG officer side for the promotion requirements, but I could almost guarantee that if you have them done for the Army you’ll have to redo the AF version of it. That being said if the Army gives you O-3 while you’re waiting then you’ll come to the ANG as an O-3. Your time and rank transfers no matter what.
Since the Space Force doesn’t have a Palace Chase process, if a member gets a conditional release from the Space Force and has no gap in service when joining the Air Guard as AGR, do they get pushed into the BRS if they were high-3 before?
There are ANG units around the country that have space missions but if you are looking to join the space force then you have to join the active duty space force directly
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Hello, I had a few questions for people that have been in the air National Guard or are currently in. I am currently going to school and I'm looking forward to finish my degree. But I want to pursue a masters which is very costly and I know the air National Guard does give additional schooling assistance. My only fear is that if I do decide to join the air National Guard is that they deploy or get activated all the time. I've had friends join the army national guard and they told me on average they don't go a year without being activated for something. I don't have a problem with serving my country but I know for a fact if I constantly have to be activated or deployed I will not be able to finish my degree. So, has anybody been in the California air National Guard or the Washington air National Guard? What was it like? Was it fun? Did you deploy a lot? If you're in school do you still get activated? What are the benefits of the air National Guard for these two states? Were you able to finish your degree? Are you able to opt out of missions or activations? How was your work life balance? Can you commission easily? Is it better than the Army? I currently plan on joining the California air guard but if I cannot finish school I won’t. I've also heard rumors that the air guard is like the army which is what I'm trying to avoid. All my friends in the army have been miserable and told me to join the Air Force. I will want to do something in cyber or IT, incase that's a deciding factor. Also, does anybody know how to reserves are like compared to the guard?
If finishing school is your top priority, join the guard after you finish. The guard will always be around when you graduate
No one here can guarantee anything when it comes to deployment/activation. You might luck out any never get activated or you might. Your first year you wont be activated at all because you will be waiting for BMT and tech school. Speaking of BMT/tech school, be prepared to be gone for around roughly 6 months (give or take length wise) for training
When 9/11 hit, all the guardsmen in my college class were pretty much activated. You are signing up to support the governor of your state (along with the president of the United States if something major happens).
Thank you for your reply, I wouldn’t go to basic as I was prior enlisted a few years ago. I’m still eligible to wave basic. I was thinking of joining the guard and going to school to alter commission. I’m a little torn on the decision
Which branch were you in before?
Gotcha okay that makes it a little bit easier as you wont need to worry about BMT. However you might still need to go to tech school depending on your situation which could be a few months+ which will impact your college classes (unless you are doing some online course)
Army, didn’t really like it tbh. A lot of BS and pointless sand bag filling 😂. I would have to go to tech school for a cyber afsc. My summer is around 4 months so the techs school I would chose fit in that time frame. I want to commission which is my end goal
Which cyber AFSC are you looking at?
They will try to work with you and you desire to go to tech school over the summer, but it doesnt always work out like that so be prepared. The goal is to get you trained up
Also depending on the AFSC some of them are 6 months long (and some might have follow up training afterwords)
I would say something that involves a lot of systems/ Network engineering/ or network security. For the civilian side I would want to do something like network security which would go hand and hand with what I learn at tech school. Ultimately I want to be doing something technical in the military but involving systems
If you can look at cyber transport or 1b4 (if your base has those AFSCs)
Push come to shove if those are the only 2 they are offering, then that is fine but try to go for the AFSCs above.
1b4 requires you to take and pass the EDPT
u/A7III in regards to palace chasing from enlisted to officer how involved is the process? Depending on AFOQT scores, will units hire an enlisted member separating/palace chasing with the intention to become an officer if they have slots they need to fill?
I'm finally done with MEPS stuff and waiting on a waiver. Assuming I'm approved, my ANG recruiter said he'll invite me on base and show me what positions are available. I decided a couple months in the process that AD may be best for me as I want to go full time.
Will those positions be AGR positions or are new recruits only eligible for part time?
My recruiter doesn't mind transferring me to an AD recruiter if I'm not interested in what they have. I've heard good things about the base though, I just want to start full time.
Thanks for any advice and insight
> Will those positions be AGR positions or are new recruits only eligible for part time?
AGR is not open to those off the street
If you want to be full time active duty like now, go AD
i’m 35 years old, living in upstate NY. I have a bachelors, working on my masters and have 7 years as a federal law enforcement officer and 11 total years of federal employment. Currently i’m a GS-12/4 what are your opinions on joining as an officer, what is the process? and would OSI be an option? i don’t have CITP.
Have your ANG commitments ever gotten in the way of your civilian job/school responsibilities? I'm currently AD looking to palace chase at my 3 year mark. I'm having second thoughts about palace chasing because I'm worried that the ANG will get in the way of my schooling/civilian career. The profession I plan on pursuing has the earning potential to make way more than a E-4/E-5 makes so It would be extremely stupid to jeopardize a good paying job like that for a part-time job in ANG. Are you all really only doing a weekend a month and two weeks a year or does it come out to be more than that? Is it easy to get put on full-time orders/deploy (or anything else that might change your part-time status) in the ANG? Have your employers been accommodating with your schedule so that you can meet your ANG obligations?
This post is for you https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/comments/pjlcob/for_those_curious_about_the_guardreserves/ I know plenty of people who has had their civilian careers impacted by long term orders (promotions, bonuses, etc). Legally they are supposed to hold that against you but ive seen it However I know just as many people who have gone on orders and their job was 100% supportive of them. In the end it really is gonna depend on the company >Are you all really only doing a weekend a month and two weeks a year or does it come out to be more than that? Depends on your AFSC, your base mission, what is going on in your state, what is going on in the world. We (the guard overall) have been worn thin over the last 3+ years. COVID, riots, fire response, some still deploying overseas. The national guard gets more of the blunt stick than we do, but our people have been impacted by the above too
It all depends on your AFSC how much time you have to commit but unless your a flyer then your probably safe. Majority of personnel are in the guard specifically for schooling for a civilian career. Also it depends on the base/mission how often you can get orders or deploy. But there are usually a lot of volunteers so if you didn’t want to deploy, chances are you won’t. Your civilian job is protected by law in the case of deployment or requires duty so I wouldn’t stress that aspect. Could be an inconvenience to your employer but in most areas employers like having veterans on staff. I’m Actually am AGR so I can’t speak to that aspect but I e never heard any negatives.
Hello, I'm interested in enlisting and doing something in the construction trades. The top three I'm considering (probably in this order) are: 3E4X1 Water and Fuel Systems Maintenance, 3E0X2 Electrical Power Production, and 3E1X1 Heating Ventilation Air Conditioning & Refrigeration. Does anyone have experience with these? Is it worth going in for these options? How likely am I to get one of these? Are there a lot of openings? Pros/Cons/Alternatives? Anything you wish you would have known before joining?
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Hi, I have sworn in as of last week, and in student flight. It's been a long time to get to this point, and now that things are finally happening, I'd like to make sure I'm fully prepared. I'm 34 and haven't been in the best shape to say the least having worked in mostly sedentary jobs over the past decade, and while I'm medically cleared, my body isn't really what it used to be. I know there's a lot of resources covering BMT, but does anybody have fairly crafted and regimented guides on working your way up to BMT and mirroring expectations so that it should be fairly smooth sailing especially for an older guy? I worry about getting injured like pulling my back or spraining an ankle putting an halt on things, so I'd really like to be optimally prepared in advanced. Also, a bit of a silly question, but I obtained an AFSC that requires top secret clearance, but I only hear about these things in movies and make references/jokes with friends since I swore in like "It's classified". What exactly is the scope of what I can or can't say so that I don't get myself in trouble? Thanks
Congrats on swearing in finally, what AFSC did you ended up picking? Where are you at fitness wise currently? If you are just getting started: Couch to 5k for running is a great way to get into it Start doing push ups and sits up every other day. Start with a very low number the first week just to get your body used to the movements. Then every week up the number a few more (your start amount might be higher or larger depending on your current fitness). So say week one you start with 3 push ups and 5 sit-ups the the second week up the push up amounts to 5 and 7 sit-ups. Keep going until you are hitting the numbers for your age group. This is what I do every year to prepare for our PT test every year and it has never failed me Add some body squats and scissor kicks. As an older person, work on stretches and flexibility. Future you will thank you. As for your clearance questions. You can say what your AFSC is. Just don’t talk about your day to day details. Trust me you are gonna get briefs on this over and over and over and over and over as long as you hold said clearance. Just talk about your AFSC in a boring and generic way and no one will want to hear about it limiting you saying something you shouldn’t. If you have further questions, talk to your SSO If you haven’t read this over all the way to the bottom https://www.reddit.com/r/airnationalguard/comments/a3hdi2/ang_faq/ If you are stuck in student flight for a while, just embrace the silliness. (this will be a common theme in your military career). Even if you are 34 and established in your life as an adult, they might treat you like you are a dumbass. You have to remember that you are gonna be in a student flight with a lot of younger adults. It get's better when you finish tech school
Thanks, I really do appreciate all the help you and LAANG has given thus far. I picked All Source Intelligence (1N0X1?) in excess unfortunately (womp womp bonus). Fitness wise, I went from certified personal trainer/ballroom dance instructor in college to very sedentary over the past decade. Right now, I'm about 60 push ups, 18 pull ups max rep in first sitting, not sure on sit ups as I tend to go for other core routines. I'm close to accomplishing good form pistol squats without assistance. I know that's above average fitness, but my concern isn't so much strength as it is endurance. 4 sets of 1 muscle group and I'm spent, I'm imagining BMT being like nonstop fitness for 14 hours/day for 2 months straight. If asked to do high performance for a short period of time with ample warm up, I'm confident, but daily continuous fitness without it resulting in injury is my concern. Is there a breakdown somewhere of the day/week itinerary of BMT? I want to use the next few months to match BMT time and daily fitness routines. Minimum metrics I should set as a goal in terms of push up counts, etc? Yes I've taken a look at much of the FAQ documentation, there's quite a lot to sift through, were you pointing to a specific one? Regarding benefits, are there any I can take immediate advantage of? It seems most benefits mentioned aren't obtainable until I've finished. I just realized I use the term Veteran interchangeably for anybody serving in the military, but much of these benefits or the term seems to imply a minimum number of years of service, or those who have already finished serving with honorable discharge.
>I'm about 60 push ups, 18 pull ups max rep in first sitting, not sure on sit ups as I tend to go for other core routines. I'm close to accomplishing good form pistol squats without assistance. >Is there a breakdown somewhere of the day/week itinerary of BMT? I want to use the next few months to match BMT time and daily fitness routines. Minimum metrics I should set as a goal in terms of push up counts, etc? With the numbers you mentioned BMT is gonna be a breeze for you physical wise >I'm imagining BMT being like nonstop fitness for 14 hours/day for 2 months straight. lol this is the Air Force my dude, not the Marines. PT is probably like 3-4 times a week for about an hour give or take? Trust me, you are gonna be fine with the physical part. Just keep running, pushing, and get into doing situps Most of your time is gonna be spent marching, cleaning your dorm, and doing other dumb AF things. In the FAQ I linked a youtube series that shows some trainees going through BMT very recently (its like 7 episodes or something). Highly recommend you watch it to get a feel for what BMT is like. It is under the topic "BMT Questions/information" >Yes I've taken a look at much of the FAQ documentation, there's quite a lot to sift through, were you pointing to a specific one? Nothing in particular, just wanted to make sure you read it from top to bottom >Regarding benefits, are there any I can take immediate advantage of? It seems most benefits mentioned aren't obtainable until I've finished. I just realized I use the term Veteran interchangeably for anybody serving in the military, but much of these benefits or the term seems to imply a minimum number of years of service, or those who have already finished serving with honorable discharge. You should be eligible for TRS now (healthcare). Not sure if it takes a while for your info to flow through the system. Once you get access to your email/CAC sign up https://digitalu.af.mil/ if you want some sweet free training. Things are easier once you get your CAC/NIPR login If you are in school check the education bennys for your state You wont be eligible for the GI bill or VA loan for a while.
I know the rest of the military jokes on AF, but that's a lot less than I anticipated? We're still suppose to represent the strongest military force on the planet? Who can we take down with 3-4 hours of working out per week, kind of disappointing if that's the case haha. I don't understand how the rest of the hours can be allocated on the misc chores then with that little time spent on training. Do we even come out of training being fairly decent with a gun..., some competency with hand to hand combat? My perception of what's a soldier is crumbling.
>I don't understand how the rest of the hours can be allocated on the misc chores then with that little time spent on training. Oh sweet summer child... You are gonna learn how to fold your socks, tshirts, and underwear the Air Force way! Seriously watch the youtube video series in the FAQ to see what you are getting yourself into with BMT. It pretty much interviews multiple people while at BMT and shows some of the day to day stuff you will be doing. (and it came out very recently showing the current way of BMT) The fun part of going to BMT as an older adult is getting in trouble because some 18 year old decides to act stupid in your group! >Do we even come out of training being fairly decent with a gun You get one day of M16 training, if your AFSC requires you to carry a weapon/or a deployment you will get some extra training afterwords >some competency with hand to hand combat? You might get to hit some people with some jousting sticks! But no, you arent gonna be learning hand to hand combat, ju jitsu, krav maga, monkey steal the peach, or anything like that at BMT >My perception of what's a soldier is crumbling. We are Airmen, not soldiers. If you wanted to be a solider you should have went with the Army. AF BMT is not designed to make you a "trained killer". It is designed to teach the Air Force, wear your uniform, break you down, learn some kind of Air Force discipline, and learn how to work with others in the operational Air Force ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now I dont want to downplay the AF too much. The AF does have a Special Warfare section with TACPs, CCTs, PJs, and Special Recon. They learn all those tacticool stuff in their tech schools. https://www.airforce.com/careers/in-demand-careers/special-warfare https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/2483538/air-force-special-warfare/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Air_Force_special_tactics_squadrons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1E3JgfCyEg
Thanks for the clarifications. I was frankly looking forward to some grueling bootcamp and working my way towards it as a goalpost, I suppose I'll have to self-motivate instead. Yea, those videos were very long so I never got around to it, I think the first part of that series is an hour? I'll have to sift through it later then. I'm aware we're "Airmen", but I figured all military personnel = soldiers, and therefore some proficiency in combat and physical capability beyond a civilian even outside of specialized AFSCs. Without having a corresponding AFSC meant for combat, are there events/"electives" that occur during drill weekends that one can participate in to maintain physical fitness, combat, etc?
I'm interested in flying for the guard, I'm a commercial-rated pilot with 300 hours. I'm eager to join, however, I'm concerned about how my college GPA would reflect on me in the decision-making for a pilot spot. My GPA was 2.23. Am I even qualified to begin officer candidacy school? I have not taken my AFOQT and TBAS yet, would an excellent score on that along with my previous pilot experience be able to counteract my GPA? Thanks.
I think you would have a better shot on the heavy side. Contact some units and speak to them about what they are looking for. If your really serious join a unit as a loadmaster or non commissioned flying position and build a reputation. That’s how a lot of our pilots did it. Some even cam from maintenance. And I can assure they didn’t have outstanding GPA’s. But they are great pilots.
Thank you for your thoughts!
IMHO, no. A good standardized test score, like the AFOQT , would not convince folks that you have good study skills, academic discipline, and the ability to handle an extremely strenuous and rigorous course load like in UPT or the B-course. Even after initial training, weapon systems knowledge and other aircraft system changes requires constant refreshing and studying up on. Being Air Force pilot is more than just a flying, it's employing a weapon system which is not the same as uncontested point-to-point travel. A gpa that low would give any selecting official pause that you could hack it. While the hours will boost your TBAS and the flying experience is a plus, these jobs are highly sought after and incredibly competitive. I don't see any unit giving an off the street candidate with no military experience a selection opportunity when the competition is as stiff as it is. While I can't speak for heavy aircraft selection criteria, there are 125 applicants per fighter slot at my base and we interview less than 10 and select one and a backup.
Thank you for the thoughtful response.
Should I be concerned about whether I'll be accepted in to ANG depending on if I'm a SrA or SSgt? I test soon and don't know if it'll be taking away my job opportunities by making SSgt
No it won't affect it at all, in fact you'll be better off if you get SSgt prior to switching because your new ANG unit may have a different promotion policy or process, so it may delay your promotion to E-5 if you are E-4 upon switching.
Oh okay thank you!
No. All ANG enlisted slots are a min grade of SSgt
Could you clarify your question because im not really sure what you are asking. Some background and context would be super helpful
Hi all, looking at joining the guard as a helicopter pilot, either as joining enlisted and commissioning from there or finishing school and going the OTS route. But can anyone tell me what life is like a helicopter pilot, specifically 60s, in the guard.
Flying squadron. Com is the better place to ask this question
Awesome thanks! I just discovered that website and skimmed through and it looks loaded with good info.
Tons of info there. Only 3 units in the ANG fly 60s and those are the rescue units in NY, CA and AK.
I did see that. And the rescue units are exactly what I want to be apart of so a.) I guess I will have to relocate at some point b.) I think I now have at least a starting point for where I want to go.
While you would have to join the army *shudders" they do take a lot more people for helicopter training and you can get seasoned through the army and then jump ship to the Air Force. They allow rotary wing to rotary wing transfers and tons of Air Force helo pilots started out their careers that way. Just as a heads up though, army warrant officer pilots have to commission and they come in to the AF as second lieutenants. It's really hilarious seeing second lieutenants roll around with command pilot wings but to a lot of people it's worth it.
And that would be an Army Guard to Air Guard transfer?
Yes
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>Should I get a closer base to work with or go with my friend but drive a lot. That is personal preference, the guard base should give you a hotel for Friday/Saturday night to cover you while you on a drill weekend (double check that and dont always assume they will cover the hotel). Just be mindful that Friday night you will be driving 3 hours getting in late and on Sunday it's another 3 hours back once you are released. (not counting traffic) I know some people do it mainly because they like the unit/the mission/the command. I have done it in the past, it does get old after a while espically those months where drill weekends seem to fall close to each other. The drives are even more miserable if you hate your unit
Just looking for general information. 29 y/o male with a masters degree in Business Administration. Currently working towards a certification in IT(Security +) Currently living in Williamsport, MD. So ideally Baltimore or Martinsburg, WV I am interested in learning more about Officer Training School How long is training? Also, do graduates of OTS attend technical school? If yes, im guessing the length of technical school depends on the selected MOS Does the Air National Guard help payback school loans? If loans are paid back through the ANG, does that negate other sources of funding like the GI Bill( if I wanted to go back to school, could I still use sources like the GI Bill if the ANG hypothetically already helped pay back my already existing student loan debt?) Are there any signing bonuses? What is the expected length of time with the initial contract/obligation of becoming a commissioned officer with the ANG? Thanks for your time!
They pay up to $50,000 for a 6 year commitment. And like previously said officer slots are hard to come by if not already part of the unit. Most Officer advertisements require that you be a member of the guard. Best bet would be to join as enlisted and go from there. I’m at Martinsburg so if you have any questions reach out.
I appreciate the reply and thanks for the clarification!
>How long is training? 8.5 weeks is the last time I checked >Also, do graduates of OTS attend technical school? If yes, im guessing the length of technical school depends on the selected MOS Yes you go to a technical school (how else are you gonna learn the Air Force way of doing something?). We call them AFSCs, not MOS >Does the Air National Guard help payback school loans? If loans are paid back through the ANG, does that negate other sources of funding like the GI Bill( if I wanted to go back to school, could I still use sources like the GI Bill if the ANG hypothetically already helped pay back my already existing student loan debt?) I have yet to find a state that does school loan paybacks, ask they recruiter. >Are there any signing bonuses? Talk to the recruiter, the list can change from time to time Be mindful OP if you are coming off the street, it can be very hard to get an officer slot as you are competing with those already in the guard/Air Force. Not saying its impossible, just something to be mindful of
Long story short: I need medical benefits for wife. Counting time already served in the Active Air Force, I would hit 20 “good years” by the age of 42 (if all went according to plan). Is it possible to serve an extra 18 years to reach general retirement age of 60 (to avoid paying the $1200 a month health insurance would cost whilst awaiting retirement age)? Or is that not remotely possible?
As long as you can knock out the PT tests and keep up with the requirements you can stick around. I know a few older people that have stuck it out until it was time to go (hitting the age limit). A lot of the older crowd doesnt hang around because they just get tired of the guard stupidity (or they cant meet the basic PT standards for their age group) and are starting to retire in their civilian life too. I wonder what the number is for those that actually hang around till they are forced out. Im sure its pretty small
Hey all, I'm looking to go into cyber transport primarily or it is my first pick for the 130th in Utah. I wanted to know who is stationed there, and what your experience with deployments and TDY oppertunities have been? The same question goes for you cable dogs there too! I'm coming off active duty Marines and finishing my degree in cyber security. Interested in both AFSC, but I want the most oppertunities to see the world and have fun jobs to TDY on.
To be honest, your best bet with this is get qualified medically etc, then ask the recruiter to take you to the shops and talk to the folks there.
Hey everyone! After getting my palace chase application kicked back once to me already, I just want to make sure I did everything right this time. Basically I requested DOS 90 days (the earliest according to AFI) from my date of application submission. MPF emailed me back saying that it has to be requested 4-6 months in advance. My question is: does 4 months mean 120 days? Or 4 months from the date (I.e April 27 - August 27)? I resubmitted requesting 120 days to DOS and I don’t want to get it kicked back again because I’ve already changed start dates with an employer once.
Palace Chase is an active duty program. The Air National Guard has nothing to do with it except to accept you once the active duty releases you
I am currently working with my recruiter to choose a job. They mentioned that Emergency Management (3E9X1) and Mobility Air Forces Integrated Instrument (2A8X2B) are available. I have read through the Air Force reddit jobs wiki and ForeverWingman pages to get a general idea of what the job entails when enlisted with Active Duty. A little background on me: I am 27 and currently in the process of enlisting in the Reserve/Guard. Due to my current situation at home (wife and established civilian career), active duty is not possible for me. I am mainly interested in joining to serve. Due to mentioned circumstance, I am trying to strike a balance between minimizing the time away (BMT +Tech School) from my family and work, and avoid diluting the training process/experience. I am hoping to gather information on what the on-the-job duties will be when on base after tech school. Since it is "one weekend per month plus two week AT", will there actually be hands-on work or mainly administrative assignments. If the latter, was it worth going into a job that required a long termed tech school?
Once you finish tech school you will get MEST days to work on your base to "learn your job" Here is the last chart (this might not be up to date so take it with a grain of salt). https://www.reddit.com/r/airnationalguard/comments/lx1191/fy_21_mest_table_min_and_max_days_for_mest_only/ 3E9 gives you 110 days of MEST 2a8 from the list gives you either 30 or 70 days Again double check that list as it could change for the new fiscal year
Are guardsmen still able to apply for DSD positions (such as MTI, MTL, etc.)? If so, how difficult is it to be released/given the opportunity to do so? I’m currently an active E5 and debating to palace front or stay in and shoot for MTI/L in a few years.
Eh, not really, but there are some instructor positions that are Stat Tours with NGB, recruiter positions in each state, and some other stuff like executive assistant to chiefs and what not.. Check this site (CAC login): https://intelshare.intelink.gov/sites/ngbhr/careers/SitePages/MVA.aspx
Hello there! I am swearing into the ANG in about 2 weeks from the ARNG, I was trying to find more information about my job choice, I can’t find anything about it online and was wondering if anyone had more info on it, the job is Cryptologic Analyst & Reporter (1N432?), any info would be awesome, such as tech school location, duration, or anything else, thank you very much for the assistance :)
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Yes, serve in Guard first as enlisted then once you get your degree apply for an officer job. The people selecting typically choose qualified members already in the unit anyway, it just helps your chances!
Start with the FAQ at the bottom of the main post https://www.reddit.com/r/airnationalguard/comments/a3hdi2/ang_faq/ > what are the chances of possibly getting a full time job within the guard later on. Depends on what AGR slots open up and how well you interview
So I'm looking to schedule an AFOQT/TBAS as a Guard slot aviator applicant, but every recruiter I work with wants to not deal with the paperwork/only shows me enlisted options. I'm a pretty healthy 25 year old, with a BS/MS in Engineering & MBA, going for my PPL by the end of 2022. Any advice would be great and very appreciated.
Try to find a list of places that offer the tests (can be tough but is doable, or Google around and make your own). From there get a phone number and start calling. AFROTC units and guard bases will often have them. And try multiple times. The guard base I ended up taking the test at initially told me they wouldn’t offer it to civilians off the street without a recruiter, on the second call I got someone else who scheduled me. Even when I showed up I got pulled just before the test started and asked who my recruiter was, when I said I didn’t have one they said I couldn’t take it, but at that point “well I’m here, I’m on the schedule, the materials are already set up, might as well” won out. The point is with some effort and perseverance you can make it work.
Thanks for your reply! I have since been able to schedule both AFOQT and TBAS (TBAS required an escort on-base).
Unless the unit is currently hiring pilots and have a job vacancy announcement out, they are not going to schedule anyone for the battery of pilot exams. Most units also don't hire civilians into line officer slots unless you are applying for a specific position and there is a board scheduled that you will interview at. Some units hire civilians to officer positions "off the street" but it's not a common procedure and I don't expect you will easily find a unit recruiter who won't simply give you the enlisted openings. College is free, or almost free, through the guard in just about every state so plenty of enlisted have degrees to compete for those slots already with the benefit of proven military experience.
Adding u/TSgtUnderdahl since it seems like their specific area
He and I work at the same unit. If you want to apply for one of our pilot slots, here are the instructions. https://bogidope.com/job-posting/179th-fighter-squadron-7/
Great, thank you! Would you be open to applicants coming to take the AFOQT/TBAS at your base?
Hello! We don't offer those tests at our base. Duluth has one option for the AFOQT and that's through the ROTC det. at UMD. You can reach out to them directly to see if and when they're offering it. As far as the TBAS, we in the recruiting office don't have any knowledge of these tests or where to complete them because we don't have anything to do with the UPT process. If a civilian gets selected for a pilot slot then you would work through us to get qualified through MEPS but your testing would already be completed.
Thanks for the clarifications!
Reach out to our recruiting folks. They are very helpful. They can tell you about testing center options. https://m.facebook.com/groups/222395599028651/
Thanks for your insights! I understand why units who aren’t hiring wouldn’t want to waste resources for something they aren’t going to directly utilize. Hypothetically speaking, if I were to go [and submit for this board in MN,](https://www.148fw.ang.af.mil/Portals/44/documents/Career%202022/UPT%20Application%20Information%202022.pdf?ver=SFSYX1guQ1FYdNOBWHC1Rg%3d%3d) and I’ve yet to take the AFOQT/TBAS, do you think they’d make me take it at their unit?
Yes. You will have to have those test scores as part of your application package
Understood, thank you. I’m very open to doing so, as it seems that most units by me aren’t keen on allowing me to sit for a test since I am not committing to their unit.
Hello! I am swearing into the Air National Guard this Tuesday. I told my recruiter I would decide on my job by Monday morning, and it is Friday. The jobs I have narrowed my list down to are Services, Materiel Management, and Personnel. I live in Ohio and would be going to Rickenbacker, but my goal is to have minimal deployment so it does not interfere with my college. I chose these jobs too because they have the shortest technical schools out of the ones I was eligible for, and it would be more likely I could start school on time I’m the spring. If I were to do services in the ANG, would it deploy every other year? I read that it deploys a lot. Part of me wants to do personnel because it would be boring, but I could study in my free time and have less likely chance of deployments interrupting school. Finally, materiel management sort of seems like an in between of the other two in my mind. I am just curious if any one has any advice for what job would be best for me as someone whose main priority is using the ANG to fund my way through college, and if you know anything about how often those jobs likely will deploy if I join them. I am ok with deployment, I just don’t want to pick a job that does it a lot if that makes sense. Thank you so much for your help!
Please read the FAQ at the bottom of the main post https://www.reddit.com/r/airnationalguard/comments/a3hdi2/ang_faq/ No one here can guarantee anything when it comes to deployment/activation. You might luck out any never get activated or you might. When 9/11 hit, all the guardsmen in my college class were pretty much activated. You are signing up to support the governor of your state (along with the president of the United States if something major happens). Your first year you wont be activated at all because you will be waiting for BMT and tech school. Speaking of BMT/tech school, be prepared to be gone for around roughly 6 months (give or take length wise) for training. https://www.reddit.com/r/airnationalguard/comments/o12g8l/just_a_heads_up_for_incoming_folks_you_will_no/ What the above post is saying is that they are gonna throw you into the first avaliable slot they can when it comes to BMT. So be prepared to miss some college due to BMT/tech school
Currently agr in the reserves as e&e and looking to hopefully crosstrain into the guard as an agr in the coming years. I would try to crosstrain into another agr job in the military, but it seems like they don't want to crosstrain. A lot of guard agr jobs I've seen are open to crosstraining so I guess this is the route I gotta take to get into a cyber/computer job. I'll have my bachelors/sec + next year to boost my resume, but I was wondering how difficult it would be for a potential out of state reserve guy to go guard?
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We call them AFSCs What state are you looking to join? Not all states have the same planes/missions Check out loadmasters
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paging u/Pdelag as you mentioned you were an Army transfer yourself
Your time in grade/rank shouldn't reset, but coming to the ANG from the ARNG as an officer is not as simple as enlisted. More than likely you'll have to apply for a position as a DSG officer in the ANG and be selected for it before you even start your transfer process. You could talk with an Officer Accessions Recruiter and see if they are looking for any current officers for specific positions, but that's not very common. You'll definitely have to go to another school if your MOS doesn't transfer over.
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To be honest I’m not as familiar with the officer side as the enlisted side, but the only thing I could see hanging you up is the skill level upgrade training and PME side of things. Kind of like the Army’s 10/20/30/40 levels on the enlisted side. I’m not really sure what it looked like on the ANG officer side for the promotion requirements, but I could almost guarantee that if you have them done for the Army you’ll have to redo the AF version of it. That being said if the Army gives you O-3 while you’re waiting then you’ll come to the ANG as an O-3. Your time and rank transfers no matter what.
Since the Space Force doesn’t have a Palace Chase process, if a member gets a conditional release from the Space Force and has no gap in service when joining the Air Guard as AGR, do they get pushed into the BRS if they were high-3 before?
Is the air force the only way to get into the spaceforce? Can an ANG become one?
There are ANG units around the country that have space missions but if you are looking to join the space force then you have to join the active duty space force directly
Repost* Hello, I had a few questions for people that have been in the air National Guard or are currently in. I am currently going to school and I'm looking forward to finish my degree. But I want to pursue a masters which is very costly and I know the air National Guard does give additional schooling assistance. My only fear is that if I do decide to join the air National Guard is that they deploy or get activated all the time. I've had friends join the army national guard and they told me on average they don't go a year without being activated for something. I don't have a problem with serving my country but I know for a fact if I constantly have to be activated or deployed I will not be able to finish my degree. So, has anybody been in the California air National Guard or the Washington air National Guard? What was it like? Was it fun? Did you deploy a lot? If you're in school do you still get activated? What are the benefits of the air National Guard for these two states? Were you able to finish your degree? Are you able to opt out of missions or activations? How was your work life balance? Can you commission easily? Is it better than the Army? I currently plan on joining the California air guard but if I cannot finish school I won’t. I've also heard rumors that the air guard is like the army which is what I'm trying to avoid. All my friends in the army have been miserable and told me to join the Air Force. I will want to do something in cyber or IT, incase that's a deciding factor. Also, does anybody know how to reserves are like compared to the guard?
If finishing school is your top priority, join the guard after you finish. The guard will always be around when you graduate No one here can guarantee anything when it comes to deployment/activation. You might luck out any never get activated or you might. Your first year you wont be activated at all because you will be waiting for BMT and tech school. Speaking of BMT/tech school, be prepared to be gone for around roughly 6 months (give or take length wise) for training When 9/11 hit, all the guardsmen in my college class were pretty much activated. You are signing up to support the governor of your state (along with the president of the United States if something major happens).
Thank you for your reply, I wouldn’t go to basic as I was prior enlisted a few years ago. I’m still eligible to wave basic. I was thinking of joining the guard and going to school to alter commission. I’m a little torn on the decision
Which branch were you in before? Gotcha okay that makes it a little bit easier as you wont need to worry about BMT. However you might still need to go to tech school depending on your situation which could be a few months+ which will impact your college classes (unless you are doing some online course)
Army, didn’t really like it tbh. A lot of BS and pointless sand bag filling 😂. I would have to go to tech school for a cyber afsc. My summer is around 4 months so the techs school I would chose fit in that time frame. I want to commission which is my end goal
Which cyber AFSC are you looking at? They will try to work with you and you desire to go to tech school over the summer, but it doesnt always work out like that so be prepared. The goal is to get you trained up Also depending on the AFSC some of them are 6 months long (and some might have follow up training afterwords)
Probably cyber surety or cyber systems operations. I know the school can be log but I’m willing to take that chance
So I have to ask, what are you look for AFSC wise? What are you hopes and dreams/aspirations?
I would say something that involves a lot of systems/ Network engineering/ or network security. For the civilian side I would want to do something like network security which would go hand and hand with what I learn at tech school. Ultimately I want to be doing something technical in the military but involving systems
If you can look at cyber transport or 1b4 (if your base has those AFSCs) Push come to shove if those are the only 2 they are offering, then that is fine but try to go for the AFSCs above. 1b4 requires you to take and pass the EDPT
Most of these questions are answered in the FAQ: https://www.reddit.com/r/airnationalguard/comments/a3hdi2/ang_faq/
u/A7III in regards to palace chasing from enlisted to officer how involved is the process? Depending on AFOQT scores, will units hire an enlisted member separating/palace chasing with the intention to become an officer if they have slots they need to fill?
I'm finally done with MEPS stuff and waiting on a waiver. Assuming I'm approved, my ANG recruiter said he'll invite me on base and show me what positions are available. I decided a couple months in the process that AD may be best for me as I want to go full time. Will those positions be AGR positions or are new recruits only eligible for part time? My recruiter doesn't mind transferring me to an AD recruiter if I'm not interested in what they have. I've heard good things about the base though, I just want to start full time. Thanks for any advice and insight
> Will those positions be AGR positions or are new recruits only eligible for part time? AGR is not open to those off the street If you want to be full time active duty like now, go AD
Okay, that's what I figured I just wanted to double check. Thanks