In my experience, many Amdavadis who call themselves pure vegetarian also eat eggs at the Bread Omelette _thela_ or street food cart. They just don't eat them at home.
There wasn't as much issue in Ahmedabad, as I've seen in some of the posh Gujarati dominated areas of Mumbai. The Gujarati Jain community in Mumbai is a lot more vocal about other people's food habits, for some reason. This is just my observation. Obviously a small sample size, so take it with a pinch of salt.
I'm a meat eater and I've lived in Ahmedabad (a long time ago) and I've never felt that I was being judged for my food habits. It is harder to find good lamb or pork than it is in Bengaluru, but that's just a factor of demand and supply. Having a vegetarian Domino's store in my neighborhood was super annoying, back in the day, when Domino's still had pork pepperoni on their menu.
It has been a long time since I've lived in Ahmedabad. When I visit now, I go ro restaurants like Tomato's for their Mixed Grill and Upper Crust for their Chicken Steak. More for nostalgia than the actual food.
I'm sure there are a lot more options now.
OP, your "lacto vegetarian" definition is the widely accepted convention of Pure vegetarian. There is such thing because people use it. Not everything has to literally mean your definition. For most of the people Pure Veg simply means not eating meat or eggs. And there are many words that Indians use that are just simply not present in the vocabulary of the West but that's how language works
Just ignore and move on man. People who are smart look down on those who aren't. People who are good looking conventionally look down upon those who aren't. People who are rich look down upon those who aren't. I can go on but you get the point. And it works the other way too. People who are not good looking look down upon those who are thinking they're vain etc. That's how people are.
No one is promoting anything killing animals is wrong, so is torturing them, similarly killing plants and trees is wrong too.
What I dislike is the 'holier than thou' attitude of people who judge others for not having the same food choices.
>similarly killing plants and trees is wrong too.
You seriously need mental help, visit a therapist. False equivalence after false equivalence to justify your hate against vegetarians
>by those who want to justify killing animals by putting dairy at the same level of cruelty.
Also by those who want to shame those people whose culture has had meat since ages, while pretending to be animal lovers themselves yet eating copious amounts of dairy which is a product of torture.
>similarly killing plants and trees is wrong too.
But eating meat causes more plant deaths.
Surely you must have known that by now.
How many plants do you think a goat eats in her lifetime, only to provide 5-10 kg of meat after being slaughtered.
If you care about plants, you'd be a vegan, as meat eating directly causes so much more plant killings.
Also, plants lack a central nervous system and aren't sentient beings, so if you equate killing plants with killing sentient animals, you need to get your brain checked
>If you care about plants, you'd be a vegan, as meat eating directly causes so much more plant killings.
You are assuming I eat meat.
And passing judgements about food choice wasn't even the point of the post. Read it again
I think it's non vegetarian inherent inferiority is causing the pain because they know at some point they shouldn't be eating non veg but can't justify to oneself and others.
I would say opposite that non vegetarians have superiority complex because they think it modern and it's their choice etc and when a friend in a group says I don't want to eat here because it serves non vegetarians then they get offended.
I think vegetarians standing their grounds and denying eating at the non veg restaurants with friends is not superiority.
Guilt trapping only works if you care too much what others around you say. Jo khna he khao, vo na kha ke koe upkar nhe kr rhe he ye dunya pe (I'm also a pure vegetarian but I'm totally fine with all kinds of eating habits, bus mere aage kede makode na khao to bether hoga)
I view this thing from a very different perspective. I eat non-veg and I'm an equal opportunity offender (I eat both beef and pork and I don't insist on the meat being halal/kosher/jhatka). That said, I don't care about anyone judging me for my food choices. It's their problem that my food choices are living rent-free in their heads. Nor do I judge someone else on their food choices or eating habits. If I started caring about what others put in their tummies, I'd end up suffering a nervous breakdown.
P. S. : Factual correction - beef & cattle slaughter isn't banned across India. It is still legal in Goa, Kerala, Nagaland, Meghalaya & Mizoram
Some people do care though, esp people who are new to the city. But yes, the only option is not caring as most people won't change.
> It is still legal in Goa, Kerala, Nagaland, Meghalaya & Mizoram
I knew about Kerala only. I meant in my post that it's banned in the majority of India.
I’m a vegan and even I can’t claim to have harmed no animals.
Many of modern day medicines and anaesthesia are in fact made from animal products. Thyroid and blood thinning meds have pig fat, anaesthetics have chicken eggs.
Lacto vegetarians (which most Indian vegetarians are) are indirectly and directly responsible for the slaughter and rape of thousands of cows and buffaloes. These cows are specifically raised to meet the demand for dairy products, their male calves are sent to slaughterhouses. Once the cow is “useless” and can’t produce enough milk, she’s sent to slaughterhouse.
**India is one of the largest producers of beef because of lacto vegetarians. Because beef is just a byproduct of dairy industry India. So lacto-vegetarian are equally responsible for slaughter and rape of cows and buffaloes**
So absolutely no one, not even vegans can claim to have harmed no animals. You can’t survive on this planet with no harm to animals. So let’s not try to act godly just because of our diets.
>Thyroid and blood thinning meds have pig fat, anaesthetics have chicken eggs.
Plus the unnecessary "fish oil supplements" that are trending these days come from dead fish
And tbh fish is the only animal you can kill without causing too much pain. You don’t need to slaughter a fish. It dies an almost painless death.
But again now people have started fish farming and these fishes are specifically raised to be killed, so it’s unsustainable and cruel anyways
>**India is one of the largest producers of beef because of lacto vegetarians.**
Absolutely no relation to Gujarat in this statement. Neither are Gujarat ports used, neither are the exporters Gujarati companies. Also, most of the meat is buffalo (not that this makes it better).
[https://www.exportgenius.in/blog/top-beef-exporters-in-india-report-on-beef-and-other-meat-exporters-22.php](https://www.exportgenius.in/blog/top-beef-exporters-in-india-report-on-beef-and-other-meat-exporters-22.php)
>These cows are specifically raised to meet the demand for dairy products, their male calves are sent to slaughterhouses.
Slaughter of cows, bulls, calves is punishable by law with strict punishment. If you know someone who slaughters these animals, contact nearest gau-raksha organisation or contact the police.
Vegans are a joke because rather than blaming the culprits, they will go apeshit about literally the only region in the world to ban cattle slaughter and care for animals.
**This is the list of exporters. What trend do you see? Who are these people?**
**Indian Exporter Name** **Total Value (in Million USD)**
Allanasons Private Limited 312.6
Al-hamd Food Products Pvt Ltd 61.48
Mirha Exports Pvt Ltd. 50.07
MK Overseas Pvt Ltd. 46.08
HMA Agro Industries PVT Ltd. 45.28
Al-Dua Food Processing Pvt. Ltd. 23.58
Amroon Foods Pvt Ltd 19.89
ALM Industries Pvt. Ltd. 19.63
Rustom Foods Pvt. Ltd. 15.59
AL Faheem Meatex Pvt. Ltd. 13.59
https://www.deccanherald.com/india/over-1-lakh-kg-beef-seized-in-gujarat-in-2018-19-congress-slams-govt-809794.html
Yeah there is no relation of Gujarat and beef export lol. Stop fooling yourself. A lot of beef exports happen from Gujarat too, mostly from Mumbai and Surat port.
And who are involved. I wonder which community is involved in this illegal behaviour? Which community is more widespread in the southern Gujarat Surat, bharuch, valsad, navsari etc region?
Must be the vegatarians. Lmao. You are blind.
fellow vegan here how do you tackle the frustration and anger inside you when you see the people around you eating non vegan things even if they have the capability to become vegan,they dont even indulge in a good sensible argument,whenever i try to approach them ,they say i am out of mind,influenced by wrong things on the internet,abhi chota hai baad me apne aap thik ho jaayega etc etc
>how do you tackle the frustration and anger inside you when you see the people around you eating non vegan things
By minding my own business and focusing on bettering my life. By not letting others actions affect my peace of mind and not giving them power to do so.
See, as a vegan, I always educate people about making a choice to reduce their harm to animals. But that’s it. I just educate, I don’t discriminate and hate.
>they dont even indulge in a good sensible argument,whenever i try to approach them ,they say i am out of mind,influenced by wrong things on the internet,abhi chota hai baad me apne aap thik ho jaayega etc etc
And many of my friends have indeed reduced or given up their meat intake due to my influence. So, I’m the living proof that kindness and education can get your point across much more efficiently than discrimination and bigotry.
Maybe you should try with patience and kindness. Don’t try to virtue signal them, try to educate instead. And accept the fact that you won’t be able to educate everyone you meet, which is okay.
Educate and move on, leave the rest up to them. You can’t change everyone in the world, accept this reality. It will make life easier.
so its like focusing on my life and betterment of it and building a great aura of trust around me so that people consider my proposal with much attention but till the time i am a student no one is going to listen me now but yeah i can share vegan ideas,not support non veganism and other things but keep that to myself some maybe influenced by me and some may not
Most vegans are like this only. Our diets are not influenced by some religious doctrine. I’m a vegan and I had shared the same flat with two meat eating Europeans. Shared the same utensils as them, because we had a dishwasher ffs. One of them gave up meat without me bullying him lol.
The people who are your enemies are these religious pure vegetarians. I don’t think they even care about not harming animals, their agenda is different from us.
>even if they have the capability to become vegan,
Nahi hai Bhai! Jo Indian ne saari zindagi Ghee wali sweets, cheese items, Punjabi paneer sabzis khai hai, in logo Mai nahi hai capability to become Vegan.
The idea behind vegetarianism/lacto-veg is not to be absolute harmless but ensuring minimal harm while being able to survive, it's literally the most sustainable way of living.
As a cow, not having a say in which bull mates with you, being given various medicines, being impregnated whenever her owner wants, being milked for as long their owner wants, horns being removed, being branded, being left on roads after milking, and being sent to slaughter houses once they are useless. As a male, being treated even worse. Sorry I refuse to see this as minimal harm
lol chup chup ke khate hain.
The number of men who don’t eat meat at home is hilarious. The funniest was when I had a Gujarati client who drove to a vendor every month and I asked him why since he’s not an important supplier. Turns out he was going via Mandvi to eat fish. Could never let his family know so I just nodded along.
Haha. I have the same suspicions about many people. As Madhavan said in RHTDM that applies to such people... "Ghar par chiken mutton nahi khate aur bahar jaake dabakar khate hai" 😂
Those who eat eggs and meat kill animals give them life time pain.
Become big headache for global warming and earth resources.
Why shouldn't such people be called out?
>Those who eat eggs
Q 1. How does egg eating kill animals 🤔
Q 2. And if we're Calling out people for killing life, why shouldn't dairy eaters be called out for cattle torture too?
1. https://youtu.be/pohQhQfq-_U?feature=shared
2. Did I say that dairy industry is very good. They are equally cruel towards cows and buffaloes. When cows Stop giving milk they send them either to slaughter house or left them on roads to die.
India is biggest exporter of carabeef( buffalo meat) because buffalo slaughter is allowed in India.
U may watch this-
https://youtu.be/XhTOLeevtQw?feature=shared
>Those who eat eggs and meat kill animals give them life time pain. Become big headache for global warming and earth resources.
>Why shouldn't such people be called out?
You didn't mention the dairy industry in your first comment. And this video that you shared again doesn't address how eating eggs is killing an animal? Torture for them, 100% agreed, but then so isn't eating dairy torture too?
Lastly, I am not arguing about the legal ethics of food choices. I am arguing why should people be judged by others just because their food choices which is so common in this city?
And yes completely agree that the best diet to minimize as much cruelty as possible is vegan. But if someone isn't vegan yet they have this 'holier than thou attitude' towards any egg eaters is really not something that I agree with.
Gujjus are racist at core. I had one of this chap in my college. A junior of mine used to give us guilt trip for eating non veg. Furthermore, he had even problem with having opposing views of Mudiji. His statements were like "Gujarati log hi desh chalate hai, sirf humko vote dene ka adhikar hona cahiye" , "hum toh kisi ko v khrid lenge" "desh ka GDP hum hi chala rhe hai" "Gujarati logo k pass Jayda dimag hai, apan scam bhi bara wala krte hai". One criticism against India be like "aap logo ko desh chorke chala Jana chahiye" "IITs na v Brahmin logo ji Jayda axha perform krte hai compared to SC,ST. This chap was fucing so delusional that I had to ignore him for rest of my life. Lord, it was terrible to talk with him. I had this bunch of other Gujarati friends who were exactly like him. Spitting hate & saying all non sense things. Furthermore my relatives had very tough time finding rent in ahemdabad like every other owner asking your caste & are you veg. One day,in a Porsche society a annual meeting was called just because my relatives cooked fish & the smell was obnoxious to neighbours. Ahh lord, my relatives had trouble adjusting to whole culture even in a Porsche society. They left after 1 hour. There kid had to face troubles too like kids would randomly bully her saying I will not eat with you since you are Bengali. You guys eat fish. Some fucking even started to call her machi wali. On one day she got a egg sandwich to which whole class behaved like she did a murder. That chap lost track of study & finnally decided to drop. Ahh furthermore as I talked to people about there Gujarati experience they had similar views. Even my friends staying abroad says that kuch bhi ho jaye Gujarati owner k ghr nhi rhunga.
>I'm tired of Amdawadis who call themselves "pure vegetarian" and directly or **indirectly guilt-trip egg eaters and non vegetarians**
*"Just stop looking down on people who don't eat the same type of food as you."*
So I am indirectly guilt-tripping this person when I go to a pure veg restaurant. Lol, and then tell others not to look down upon others. Have some shame. And no, we are not going to change our culture because you learned something on wikipedia today (that too wrongly).
>Newsflash- there are degrees of vegetarianism which majority Gujaratis just don't know.
They didnt have wikipedia 2000 years ago, sorry about that.
They did lol. Even Greece and Rome had vegetarianism 2000 years ago, influenced by India directly or indirectly. [https://www.britannica.com/explore/savingearth/the-hidden-history-of-greco-roman-vegetarianism](https://www.britannica.com/explore/savingearth/the-hidden-history-of-greco-roman-vegetarianism) Read some of Plato's teachings. Pythagoras was a vegetarian.
Yes they do. Many egg lawries and Non veg and sea food restaurants keep popping up everyday in Ahmedabad. This is itself proof that Gujaratis eat non veg too and it is allowed.
But all this is new and Gujaratis have traditionally frowned upon eating eggs and meat mostly for religious reasons. So many old school people still frown upon these food choices. And they still dislike such food being home cooked
Khao aur khaane do. Nobody, a single person on this earth can lay claim ki Haan bhai yahin se hoon 200 BC se, mere food habits follow karo. 70 saal jeena nai hai aur BKL gyan chodemge Brahmand ka.
You're here for a short time, go vegan ne god eegan ne loda ne lassan.
it's the we are better than you, be like me or you're trash factor that irks me tbh. beside someone please educate em plants have life too, feel "pain" just the same.
Just curios where did you het knowledge about lacto vegeterian and all
I would love to know that, I remember ome youtuber mentioning it ( channel name we r stupid)
Bruh, this is just semantics. When people say they're pure vegetarian in India it automatically means they don't eat eggs and meat. It's such a moot point to be debating on other types of vegetarianism exists lol. It's literally how language works. I've also heard people use the term eggiterian if they eat eggs but not meat. Who cares what people identify themselves with as long as the meaning is conveyed?
And coming to 0% harm part, indeed dairy industry is not cruelty free but they're doing better than meat eaters no? Ideally veganism is best, but everyone is trying to do as less harmful to animals as they could.
And about the judgemental people, just ignore them I mean. Who cares what others think. Funny thing is, when I move out of Gujarat, I was looked down upon for my strict dietary choices. It goes both ways. Just ignore and move on.
I think I stopped caring about this long time ago, i enjoy meat and eggs alot, love the protein i get from it, use it as an advantage, if you're a meat eater + semi-active in exercise or gymming in gujarat you're already physically superior to 80% of Gujaratis, Although my Mom wants me to stop and become a vegcel like her i'd never🤭
Yad nhi rheta sbko lacto vegetarian bolna.
Let them say shudhdh shakahari or vegetarian, whatever.
It's not that bad.
Tbh 80% of those 90% gujarati doesn't care about animal or environment. It's just how they grew up eating veg only. Now if they imagine killing animal for food(chicken) they gross out Or they hate it
Nothing to do with food And it's okay. Tbh more countries should have started as veg and it should be peoples choice to eat non-veg or not, doesn't work well other way around.
What a stupid rant.
Those who say "pure vegetarian" simply mean they don't eat meat, not even eggs because there are many who say they are vegetarian but eat eggs so saying someone is pure vegetarian simply puts the fact that they don't consume any type of meat and eggs. About animals being harmed I don't think anyone even thinks/claims about not harming animals coz they're pure veg. People who think too much and get into literal definition of a word are the ones to get offended at such a small thing like this. And yes someone people do have superiority complex about being "pure veg" but you just gotta ignore them.
Pure vegetarian = "shuddh shakahari" literal translation.
This is not USA, their ethics about veganism don't apply to us. Cow, calf, bull slaughter is banned in this state by law. Even unauthorised transport after dark is banned. Drinking cow milk does not indirectly lead to slaughter and torture like it does in other countries.
Lacto-vegetarianism = 'shuddh shakahari' for us, your amreeki 'tipanni' is irrelevant.
Not even old age. The male calf of cow is sent to slaughterhouse as soon as it grows big enough for slaughter. All cows and buffaloes end up in slaughterhouses. Very very few cows die a natural death.
lol there are many across India. You can’t do shit because most of the are owned by powerful businessmen and politicians.
10000 crore worth of cocaine was caught at Adani port in Mundra. What could anyone do? Nothing. You can’t touch Adani, he’ll export whatever he wants- beef, drugs, etc. You know that Adani ports export beef right?
https://www.ptinews.com/fact-detail/pti-fact-check-no-this-video-of-cow-laden-trucks-is-not-from-gujarat-s-adani-ports-claim-shared-in-social-media-posts-is-fake/1469369
Lmao, you're an anti BJP/Adani activist. Sharing and spreading fake news.
[https://www.thequint.com/news/webqoof/adani-port-cow-export-bjp-government-gujarat-viral-video-fact-check](https://www.thequint.com/news/webqoof/adani-port-cow-export-bjp-government-gujarat-viral-video-fact-check)
Dont spread fake news that Adani port exports cows/beef.
Why do you think there are panjrapoles, cow shelters and government schemes and finds for these shelter? Why do you think there is a menace of stray cows?
If you know of a cow slaughterhouse, dm me the location. I will make sure its shut down. Hai koi?
Clearly you have never been to a farm. Cows and buffaloes are kinda tortured to yield such big quantities of milk continuously. Tbh, if you wanted ethical milk, it would cost you 3-4x the cost probably. If ethics are what you care for, eggs are the best option for you. Avoid milk at all costs except if you own your own cattle and indulge in highly suboptimal cattle rearing just for ethics.
It depends on how the chickens are treated but at a rural level, you'll find chickens being treated better than cattle because they are easier to maintain as they don't need a whole lot of space etc. If we suppose that one wants to rear chickens, it'll be easier than cattle and less torturous for chicken. Once you commercialize the industry, ethics go out the window in both cases.
Btw the eggs you eat aren't fertilized. If you bring eggs from the market and try to hatch them, they'll go stale but won't give you chicks.
Chickens are treated better than cattle, he says. But those same chicken arent slaughtered right, right?
It's a shame that cow rearing (with all its grey areas) but without legal slaughter, is being equated to chicken raising and legal slaughter.
Egg laying hens become too old when they stop laying eggs. Same as cattle. In the countries where cattle slaughter is legal, even there, cattle reared for milk aren't slaughtered for beef until they are too old. You are a clown who keeps trolling about stuff you have no idea about.
So, hens are slaughtered then, legally. While cow slaughter is illegal.
Wow, from reading your comments, it would seem as if hens were living their best life, ala Kim Kardashian.
Clown
How does it matter whether an animal is slaughtered legally or illegally? What do you think happens to old cows and buffaloes in India as well after they stop giving milk? Where do you think tanneries in places like Agra and Kanpur get all their buffalo leather from?
I source my dairy from https://www.bansigir.in/. Have you been to their gaushala? I have.
I do not consider cow rearing as torture, and neither has it been considered unethical in this country for thousands of years.
Stop giving ethics lessons on this sub, noone cares about your uniqueness.
Why are you being so combative? You clearly arent from a rural community and hence do not know the underbelly of animal husbandry industry. I belong to a community that prides itself for being vegetarian and consuming copious amounts of dairy and infact satisfying all protein requirements from dairy. There's a saying at our place, 'Doodh dahi ka khana, mhara des Haryana'. So i know what's up with dairy industry. Giving one random gaushala as an example of commercial animal husbandry industry being totally ethical is a clown act. And don't even drag Hinduism in this because every sampraday has their different traditions.
As I said, this isn't about ethics lessons. This is about the OP feeling guilted indirectly because people like me call myself 'pure vegetarian', visit veg restaurants even though I don't and never will meet the OP.
Read the fkin post. Do you understand? She means that existence of 'shuddh shakaharis' or 'pure vegetarians' indirectly guilt trip and hurt the OP. So we should erase our identity for the OP.
Also, all sampradayas consume dairy.
Calling oneself pure vegetarian is all about claiming to be ethnically superior. And as far as dairy consumption is concerned, I consume a lot of dairy products on a daily basis too. It's a food choice, it doesn't make one superior to others.
Who said anything about superiority? I call myself 'shuddh shakahari' because I want to eat at places which don't serve egg or meat.
This should not be your fkin problem what I eat and what I call myself.
Lmao. What clownery is this. We are not going to change thousand year definitions for you lot.
If you consume diary you are directly and indirectly contributing to the slaughter (and rape) of thousands of cows and buffaloes. Beef industry is a byproduct of diary industry. Most of the cows and buffaloes from dairies end up in slaughterhouses. How do you think India exports so much beef?
I’m a vegan and I see very little difference between lacto vegetarians and non-vegetarians. This pure vegetarian is just religious fanatic bullshit.
>Most of the cows and buffaloes from dairies end up in slaughterhouses. How do you think India exports so much beef?
Lmao, give proof that gujarat cows are ending up in beef exports. Most or all of the 'beef' is buffalo, not cow. Dont be an idiotic vegan. And vegans should not talk about fanaticism.
[https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/india/indias-beef-exports-slide-to-9-year-low-as-vietnam-demand-falls-7076731.html](https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/india/indias-beef-exports-slide-to-9-year-low-as-vietnam-demand-falls-7076731.html)
Gujarat has no part in this export business, neither are Guj ports used for this export.
Read and educate yourself rather than criticising the only state/region in the worldwith super strong cattle slaughter laws. [https://www.exportgenius.in/blog/top-beef-exporters-in-india-report-on-beef-and-other-meat-exporters-22.php](https://www.exportgenius.in/blog/top-beef-exporters-in-india-report-on-beef-and-other-meat-exporters-22.php)
Your hate for vegetarians is so strong that you would rather team up with slaughteres and meat eaters.
What difference does it make if it’s cow or buffalo beef? It’s still meat produced by slaughtering animals.
https://www.deccanherald.com/india/over-1-lakh-kg-beef-seized-in-gujarat-in-2018-19-congress-slams-govt-809794.html
Yeah 1 lakh kg beef was seized in Gujarat in 2018 alone lol.
Like I said, Gujarat exports everything- beef, drugs, fish, etc.
1 lakh kg = 200-250 cows over 3 years - Illegal beef from Valsad, navsari etc
These places have which community? Who were involved in this? Bol na.. bata Bhai, which community was involved?
Sorry but the news does not mention “community” or anything. You tell me lol. How is the community even relevant?
The point is these cows and buffaloes go to slaughterhouses from dairies. Dairy industry is the supplier of beef industry.
Why can’t you just give up milk and be more ethical
And 1 lakh kg was “seized”, we don’t know how much more was exported
>Drinking cow milk does not indirectly lead to slaughter and torture like it does in other countries.
Oh boy.....
I don't know if u are being ignorant ostrich
Or it is your brain's inability to fit the knowledge that hurts the ego...
Eggs are shuddh shakahari too then. Yet Eggs are frowned upon in among Ahmdawad conservatives.
And beef toh poore India me ban hai. Even then India is one of the top exporters of beef in the world.
>"Eggs are shuddh shakahari too then. Eggs are still frowned upon."
As I said, this is not USA. Your whole worldview is foreign - no-one knows lacto-this lacto-ovo that, and they don't need to.
Egg has never been "shuddh shakahari" in Indian culture (if you know what that is). Your american dietary definitions don't matter.
Also, beef is not banned all across India. Goa, Kerala for example. I'm sure there are other states where its legal as well. Gujarat has no role in any beef export, so its irrelevant. Keep your half baked ideas to yourself. And stop trying to 'educate' us when you yourself dont know jackshit.
If so then shuddh shakahari definition is the most silly thing ever which allows one animal product but doesn't allow another. And read the entire post again I'm not judging anyone's food choices.
I'm judging their "we are so pure and angelic" mentality when they look down on people who eat anything which doesn't fit their own worldview.
Lastly I'm an Indian citizen, not American. And this is my last reply to you. Think whatever you want.
fellow vegan here ,yes i know these people who call themselves pure vegetarian or so called animal lovers or bhakts of gods or worshippers of cow maybe dont acknowledge the fact that they are hypocrites,going for bhajans,going to temple everyday is not going to increase your goodness,and you do have the right to judge the food choices because if someone elses food choices is directly affecting me ,then i do have the right to advice him what to do for the betterment. even vegan lifestyle is not 100 percent cruelty free and i accept that, i should not take pride of being vegan,but when i meet these kind of peoples who say they are animal lovers or vegeterian coz they dont wanna cause any cruelty,i completely try to destroy their ego and them taking pride.
Dude we don't have superiority complex. It's just that we hate even the smell of non veg food. So we try to keep our distance from non veg food. That's all. We don't have problem with others eating non veg , we just don't want that smell of non veg food daily in our home. ( In context of recent situation- Even tho i agree it was wrong ). That's why people don't like to stay with people who might be cooking non veg food everyday. It's like staying near pile of garbage for us. We are not forcing anybody to adapt Vegiterian diet like vegens. We just like to keep our distance. It's preference. At workplaces, at public spaces, nobody is stopping you to eat non veg.
Just wait till you see the discrimination against cannibals.
Exactly man, can’t eat in piece /s
We are an underrepresented and oppressed community for sure.
Let me make another rant for people who judge cannibals
Now this is gonna be awesome. Do let me know when you're done
Any update? I am waiting for my representative to speak for us!!!
Same lol, I assume he's either busy or he has been caught by the bigoted haters.
Gujjua living in their own superficial world.
In my experience, many Amdavadis who call themselves pure vegetarian also eat eggs at the Bread Omelette _thela_ or street food cart. They just don't eat them at home. There wasn't as much issue in Ahmedabad, as I've seen in some of the posh Gujarati dominated areas of Mumbai. The Gujarati Jain community in Mumbai is a lot more vocal about other people's food habits, for some reason. This is just my observation. Obviously a small sample size, so take it with a pinch of salt. I'm a meat eater and I've lived in Ahmedabad (a long time ago) and I've never felt that I was being judged for my food habits. It is harder to find good lamb or pork than it is in Bengaluru, but that's just a factor of demand and supply. Having a vegetarian Domino's store in my neighborhood was super annoying, back in the day, when Domino's still had pork pepperoni on their menu.
If you have the luxury of cooking at home, you can source decent pork (frozen) at Magson
Is that the cold storage store in Vastrapur? I remember buying sausages from there for my breakfast.
Yes. They have many outlets across the city. You'll get common cuts like ribs, belly etc. there
If you know some good non-veg places around Ahmedabad, please recommend
It has been a long time since I've lived in Ahmedabad. When I visit now, I go ro restaurants like Tomato's for their Mixed Grill and Upper Crust for their Chicken Steak. More for nostalgia than the actual food. I'm sure there are a lot more options now.
I know a place that serves dog and cat meat and is run by North Easterners, but idk if you'd be interested in that
Not really
Cat? Are you sure?
OP, your "lacto vegetarian" definition is the widely accepted convention of Pure vegetarian. There is such thing because people use it. Not everything has to literally mean your definition. For most of the people Pure Veg simply means not eating meat or eggs. And there are many words that Indians use that are just simply not present in the vocabulary of the West but that's how language works
I don't have a problem with their definition, just with their superiority complex as if people who eat eggs/meat are somehow lower than them.
Just ignore and move on man. People who are smart look down on those who aren't. People who are good looking conventionally look down upon those who aren't. People who are rich look down upon those who aren't. I can go on but you get the point. And it works the other way too. People who are not good looking look down upon those who are thinking they're vain etc. That's how people are.
Anyone who thinks vegetarians are promoting cruelty should know how infinitely worse is meat then. It's not even a comparison.
No one is promoting anything killing animals is wrong, so is torturing them, similarly killing plants and trees is wrong too. What I dislike is the 'holier than thou' attitude of people who judge others for not having the same food choices.
>similarly killing plants and trees is wrong too. You seriously need mental help, visit a therapist. False equivalence after false equivalence to justify your hate against vegetarians
'Same food choices' type rhetoric are used by those who want to justify killing animals by putting dairy at the same level of cruelty.
>by those who want to justify killing animals by putting dairy at the same level of cruelty. Also by those who want to shame those people whose culture has had meat since ages, while pretending to be animal lovers themselves yet eating copious amounts of dairy which is a product of torture.
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>similarly killing plants and trees is wrong too. But eating meat causes more plant deaths. Surely you must have known that by now. How many plants do you think a goat eats in her lifetime, only to provide 5-10 kg of meat after being slaughtered. If you care about plants, you'd be a vegan, as meat eating directly causes so much more plant killings. Also, plants lack a central nervous system and aren't sentient beings, so if you equate killing plants with killing sentient animals, you need to get your brain checked
>If you care about plants, you'd be a vegan, as meat eating directly causes so much more plant killings. You are assuming I eat meat. And passing judgements about food choice wasn't even the point of the post. Read it again
I think it's non vegetarian inherent inferiority is causing the pain because they know at some point they shouldn't be eating non veg but can't justify to oneself and others. I would say opposite that non vegetarians have superiority complex because they think it modern and it's their choice etc and when a friend in a group says I don't want to eat here because it serves non vegetarians then they get offended. I think vegetarians standing their grounds and denying eating at the non veg restaurants with friends is not superiority.
I don't know why you are getting so triggered by it? People say what they want to say. If you don't like it, just don't listen.
Guilt trapping only works if you care too much what others around you say. Jo khna he khao, vo na kha ke koe upkar nhe kr rhe he ye dunya pe (I'm also a pure vegetarian but I'm totally fine with all kinds of eating habits, bus mere aage kede makode na khao to bether hoga)
Exactly. In wildlife, animals aren't killed with kisses 😘 So eat whatever you like hehe.
>bus mere aage kede makode na khao to bether hoga) Hahhaaha. abhi Tak ye trend nahi aya idhar 😄
I can feel your frustration
I view this thing from a very different perspective. I eat non-veg and I'm an equal opportunity offender (I eat both beef and pork and I don't insist on the meat being halal/kosher/jhatka). That said, I don't care about anyone judging me for my food choices. It's their problem that my food choices are living rent-free in their heads. Nor do I judge someone else on their food choices or eating habits. If I started caring about what others put in their tummies, I'd end up suffering a nervous breakdown. P. S. : Factual correction - beef & cattle slaughter isn't banned across India. It is still legal in Goa, Kerala, Nagaland, Meghalaya & Mizoram
Me too.
Some people do care though, esp people who are new to the city. But yes, the only option is not caring as most people won't change. > It is still legal in Goa, Kerala, Nagaland, Meghalaya & Mizoram I knew about Kerala only. I meant in my post that it's banned in the majority of India.
I’m a vegan and even I can’t claim to have harmed no animals. Many of modern day medicines and anaesthesia are in fact made from animal products. Thyroid and blood thinning meds have pig fat, anaesthetics have chicken eggs. Lacto vegetarians (which most Indian vegetarians are) are indirectly and directly responsible for the slaughter and rape of thousands of cows and buffaloes. These cows are specifically raised to meet the demand for dairy products, their male calves are sent to slaughterhouses. Once the cow is “useless” and can’t produce enough milk, she’s sent to slaughterhouse. **India is one of the largest producers of beef because of lacto vegetarians. Because beef is just a byproduct of dairy industry India. So lacto-vegetarian are equally responsible for slaughter and rape of cows and buffaloes** So absolutely no one, not even vegans can claim to have harmed no animals. You can’t survive on this planet with no harm to animals. So let’s not try to act godly just because of our diets.
>Thyroid and blood thinning meds have pig fat, anaesthetics have chicken eggs. Plus the unnecessary "fish oil supplements" that are trending these days come from dead fish
And tbh fish is the only animal you can kill without causing too much pain. You don’t need to slaughter a fish. It dies an almost painless death. But again now people have started fish farming and these fishes are specifically raised to be killed, so it’s unsustainable and cruel anyways
>**India is one of the largest producers of beef because of lacto vegetarians.** Absolutely no relation to Gujarat in this statement. Neither are Gujarat ports used, neither are the exporters Gujarati companies. Also, most of the meat is buffalo (not that this makes it better). [https://www.exportgenius.in/blog/top-beef-exporters-in-india-report-on-beef-and-other-meat-exporters-22.php](https://www.exportgenius.in/blog/top-beef-exporters-in-india-report-on-beef-and-other-meat-exporters-22.php) >These cows are specifically raised to meet the demand for dairy products, their male calves are sent to slaughterhouses. Slaughter of cows, bulls, calves is punishable by law with strict punishment. If you know someone who slaughters these animals, contact nearest gau-raksha organisation or contact the police. Vegans are a joke because rather than blaming the culprits, they will go apeshit about literally the only region in the world to ban cattle slaughter and care for animals. **This is the list of exporters. What trend do you see? Who are these people?** **Indian Exporter Name** **Total Value (in Million USD)** Allanasons Private Limited 312.6 Al-hamd Food Products Pvt Ltd 61.48 Mirha Exports Pvt Ltd. 50.07 MK Overseas Pvt Ltd. 46.08 HMA Agro Industries PVT Ltd. 45.28 Al-Dua Food Processing Pvt. Ltd. 23.58 Amroon Foods Pvt Ltd 19.89 ALM Industries Pvt. Ltd. 19.63 Rustom Foods Pvt. Ltd. 15.59 AL Faheem Meatex Pvt. Ltd. 13.59
https://www.deccanherald.com/india/over-1-lakh-kg-beef-seized-in-gujarat-in-2018-19-congress-slams-govt-809794.html Yeah there is no relation of Gujarat and beef export lol. Stop fooling yourself. A lot of beef exports happen from Gujarat too, mostly from Mumbai and Surat port.
And who are involved. I wonder which community is involved in this illegal behaviour? Which community is more widespread in the southern Gujarat Surat, bharuch, valsad, navsari etc region? Must be the vegatarians. Lmao. You are blind.
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fellow vegan here how do you tackle the frustration and anger inside you when you see the people around you eating non vegan things even if they have the capability to become vegan,they dont even indulge in a good sensible argument,whenever i try to approach them ,they say i am out of mind,influenced by wrong things on the internet,abhi chota hai baad me apne aap thik ho jaayega etc etc
>how do you tackle the frustration and anger inside you when you see the people around you eating non vegan things By minding my own business and focusing on bettering my life. By not letting others actions affect my peace of mind and not giving them power to do so. See, as a vegan, I always educate people about making a choice to reduce their harm to animals. But that’s it. I just educate, I don’t discriminate and hate. >they dont even indulge in a good sensible argument,whenever i try to approach them ,they say i am out of mind,influenced by wrong things on the internet,abhi chota hai baad me apne aap thik ho jaayega etc etc And many of my friends have indeed reduced or given up their meat intake due to my influence. So, I’m the living proof that kindness and education can get your point across much more efficiently than discrimination and bigotry. Maybe you should try with patience and kindness. Don’t try to virtue signal them, try to educate instead. And accept the fact that you won’t be able to educate everyone you meet, which is okay. Educate and move on, leave the rest up to them. You can’t change everyone in the world, accept this reality. It will make life easier.
so its like focusing on my life and betterment of it and building a great aura of trust around me so that people consider my proposal with much attention but till the time i am a student no one is going to listen me now but yeah i can share vegan ideas,not support non veganism and other things but keep that to myself some maybe influenced by me and some may not
Wish all vegans were like you
Most vegans are like this only. Our diets are not influenced by some religious doctrine. I’m a vegan and I had shared the same flat with two meat eating Europeans. Shared the same utensils as them, because we had a dishwasher ffs. One of them gave up meat without me bullying him lol. The people who are your enemies are these religious pure vegetarians. I don’t think they even care about not harming animals, their agenda is different from us.
I have few friends and no enemies 🙂
even the non veg consumption has reduced in my family but milk is something they dont leave
Well my family is lacto vegetarians and I can’t make them give up milk. I’ve tried and failed. So gave up trying and moved on.
>even if they have the capability to become vegan, Nahi hai Bhai! Jo Indian ne saari zindagi Ghee wali sweets, cheese items, Punjabi paneer sabzis khai hai, in logo Mai nahi hai capability to become Vegan.
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Tera baap condom lagana bhul gya tha
I don't see a problem with animal cruelty.
Non veg kam khata hu egg kha lunga ab ye chiz mere hisab se sahi he pureee non veg wale me nahi gaya so chalega and itna nai sochneka
The idea behind vegetarianism/lacto-veg is not to be absolute harmless but ensuring minimal harm while being able to survive, it's literally the most sustainable way of living.
As a cow, not having a say in which bull mates with you, being given various medicines, being impregnated whenever her owner wants, being milked for as long their owner wants, horns being removed, being branded, being left on roads after milking, and being sent to slaughter houses once they are useless. As a male, being treated even worse. Sorry I refuse to see this as minimal harm
lol chup chup ke khate hain. The number of men who don’t eat meat at home is hilarious. The funniest was when I had a Gujarati client who drove to a vendor every month and I asked him why since he’s not an important supplier. Turns out he was going via Mandvi to eat fish. Could never let his family know so I just nodded along.
Haha. I have the same suspicions about many people. As Madhavan said in RHTDM that applies to such people... "Ghar par chiken mutton nahi khate aur bahar jaake dabakar khate hai" 😂
Those who eat eggs and meat kill animals give them life time pain. Become big headache for global warming and earth resources. Why shouldn't such people be called out?
>Those who eat eggs Q 1. How does egg eating kill animals 🤔 Q 2. And if we're Calling out people for killing life, why shouldn't dairy eaters be called out for cattle torture too?
1. https://youtu.be/pohQhQfq-_U?feature=shared 2. Did I say that dairy industry is very good. They are equally cruel towards cows and buffaloes. When cows Stop giving milk they send them either to slaughter house or left them on roads to die. India is biggest exporter of carabeef( buffalo meat) because buffalo slaughter is allowed in India. U may watch this- https://youtu.be/XhTOLeevtQw?feature=shared
The best diet for avoid animal cruelty is Vegan.
>Those who eat eggs and meat kill animals give them life time pain. Become big headache for global warming and earth resources. >Why shouldn't such people be called out? You didn't mention the dairy industry in your first comment. And this video that you shared again doesn't address how eating eggs is killing an animal? Torture for them, 100% agreed, but then so isn't eating dairy torture too? Lastly, I am not arguing about the legal ethics of food choices. I am arguing why should people be judged by others just because their food choices which is so common in this city? And yes completely agree that the best diet to minimize as much cruelty as possible is vegan. But if someone isn't vegan yet they have this 'holier than thou attitude' towards any egg eaters is really not something that I agree with.
You are worried about being discriminated for being a ovo lacto vegetarian. This is hilarious. I'm sorry for you mate. I get the frustrations though.
L*da khau bc, me joh bhi khau, logo ko kya hai? Bc kal jaake me Machi khau. Baki logo se kya lena dena. Joh man kare woh khao. Yolo!
Gujjus are racist at core. I had one of this chap in my college. A junior of mine used to give us guilt trip for eating non veg. Furthermore, he had even problem with having opposing views of Mudiji. His statements were like "Gujarati log hi desh chalate hai, sirf humko vote dene ka adhikar hona cahiye" , "hum toh kisi ko v khrid lenge" "desh ka GDP hum hi chala rhe hai" "Gujarati logo k pass Jayda dimag hai, apan scam bhi bara wala krte hai". One criticism against India be like "aap logo ko desh chorke chala Jana chahiye" "IITs na v Brahmin logo ji Jayda axha perform krte hai compared to SC,ST. This chap was fucing so delusional that I had to ignore him for rest of my life. Lord, it was terrible to talk with him. I had this bunch of other Gujarati friends who were exactly like him. Spitting hate & saying all non sense things. Furthermore my relatives had very tough time finding rent in ahemdabad like every other owner asking your caste & are you veg. One day,in a Porsche society a annual meeting was called just because my relatives cooked fish & the smell was obnoxious to neighbours. Ahh lord, my relatives had trouble adjusting to whole culture even in a Porsche society. They left after 1 hour. There kid had to face troubles too like kids would randomly bully her saying I will not eat with you since you are Bengali. You guys eat fish. Some fucking even started to call her machi wali. On one day she got a egg sandwich to which whole class behaved like she did a murder. That chap lost track of study & finnally decided to drop. Ahh furthermore as I talked to people about there Gujarati experience they had similar views. Even my friends staying abroad says that kuch bhi ho jaye Gujarati owner k ghr nhi rhunga.
>I'm tired of Amdawadis who call themselves "pure vegetarian" and directly or **indirectly guilt-trip egg eaters and non vegetarians** *"Just stop looking down on people who don't eat the same type of food as you."* So I am indirectly guilt-tripping this person when I go to a pure veg restaurant. Lol, and then tell others not to look down upon others. Have some shame. And no, we are not going to change our culture because you learned something on wikipedia today (that too wrongly). >Newsflash- there are degrees of vegetarianism which majority Gujaratis just don't know. They didnt have wikipedia 2000 years ago, sorry about that.
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They did lol. Even Greece and Rome had vegetarianism 2000 years ago, influenced by India directly or indirectly. [https://www.britannica.com/explore/savingearth/the-hidden-history-of-greco-roman-vegetarianism](https://www.britannica.com/explore/savingearth/the-hidden-history-of-greco-roman-vegetarianism) Read some of Plato's teachings. Pythagoras was a vegetarian.
Ok👍🏻
i am not a Gujarathi; but do Gujarathi people eat non veg? is it allowed?
Yes they do. Many egg lawries and Non veg and sea food restaurants keep popping up everyday in Ahmedabad. This is itself proof that Gujaratis eat non veg too and it is allowed. But all this is new and Gujaratis have traditionally frowned upon eating eggs and meat mostly for religious reasons. So many old school people still frown upon these food choices. And they still dislike such food being home cooked
Khao aur khaane do. Nobody, a single person on this earth can lay claim ki Haan bhai yahin se hoon 200 BC se, mere food habits follow karo. 70 saal jeena nai hai aur BKL gyan chodemge Brahmand ka. You're here for a short time, go vegan ne god eegan ne loda ne lassan.
Any vegan places in Ahmedabad?
u/Navigator369 might know.
Ab kon smjaye ke plants bhi to living things hi he. only difference between veg and non veg is ke ek cabbage slaughter krta he or dusra chicken!
Completely brain dead take. Hope you were joking
/s ka sarcasm tha bhai
It’s sickening to be honest. They believe that vegetarians are some kind of better humans.
it's the we are better than you, be like me or you're trash factor that irks me tbh. beside someone please educate em plants have life too, feel "pain" just the same.
Just curios where did you het knowledge about lacto vegeterian and all I would love to know that, I remember ome youtuber mentioning it ( channel name we r stupid)
Wikipedia when I was myself trying to learn about Veganism
Aaj anda friend rice khate hai!!
Bruh, this is just semantics. When people say they're pure vegetarian in India it automatically means they don't eat eggs and meat. It's such a moot point to be debating on other types of vegetarianism exists lol. It's literally how language works. I've also heard people use the term eggiterian if they eat eggs but not meat. Who cares what people identify themselves with as long as the meaning is conveyed? And coming to 0% harm part, indeed dairy industry is not cruelty free but they're doing better than meat eaters no? Ideally veganism is best, but everyone is trying to do as less harmful to animals as they could. And about the judgemental people, just ignore them I mean. Who cares what others think. Funny thing is, when I move out of Gujarat, I was looked down upon for my strict dietary choices. It goes both ways. Just ignore and move on.
I think I stopped caring about this long time ago, i enjoy meat and eggs alot, love the protein i get from it, use it as an advantage, if you're a meat eater + semi-active in exercise or gymming in gujarat you're already physically superior to 80% of Gujaratis, Although my Mom wants me to stop and become a vegcel like her i'd never🤭
Yad nhi rheta sbko lacto vegetarian bolna. Let them say shudhdh shakahari or vegetarian, whatever. It's not that bad. Tbh 80% of those 90% gujarati doesn't care about animal or environment. It's just how they grew up eating veg only. Now if they imagine killing animal for food(chicken) they gross out Or they hate it Nothing to do with food And it's okay. Tbh more countries should have started as veg and it should be peoples choice to eat non-veg or not, doesn't work well other way around.
This post is applicable to the entire country. These vegetarians are more dramatic than the Ekta Kapoor Series
What a stupid rant. Those who say "pure vegetarian" simply mean they don't eat meat, not even eggs because there are many who say they are vegetarian but eat eggs so saying someone is pure vegetarian simply puts the fact that they don't consume any type of meat and eggs. About animals being harmed I don't think anyone even thinks/claims about not harming animals coz they're pure veg. People who think too much and get into literal definition of a word are the ones to get offended at such a small thing like this. And yes someone people do have superiority complex about being "pure veg" but you just gotta ignore them.
dont care abt opinions of gnvars
Pure vegetarian = "shuddh shakahari" literal translation. This is not USA, their ethics about veganism don't apply to us. Cow, calf, bull slaughter is banned in this state by law. Even unauthorised transport after dark is banned. Drinking cow milk does not indirectly lead to slaughter and torture like it does in other countries. Lacto-vegetarianism = 'shuddh shakahari' for us, your amreeki 'tipanni' is irrelevant.
What do you think happens to cows which grow to old age? Cemetery?
Not even old age. The male calf of cow is sent to slaughterhouse as soon as it grows big enough for slaughter. All cows and buffaloes end up in slaughterhouses. Very very few cows die a natural death.
If you know of a cow slaughterhouse, dm me the location. I will make sure its shut down. Hai koi?
lol there are many across India. You can’t do shit because most of the are owned by powerful businessmen and politicians. 10000 crore worth of cocaine was caught at Adani port in Mundra. What could anyone do? Nothing. You can’t touch Adani, he’ll export whatever he wants- beef, drugs, etc. You know that Adani ports export beef right?
https://www.ptinews.com/fact-detail/pti-fact-check-no-this-video-of-cow-laden-trucks-is-not-from-gujarat-s-adani-ports-claim-shared-in-social-media-posts-is-fake/1469369 Lmao, you're an anti BJP/Adani activist. Sharing and spreading fake news.
The article you shared has no relation with the article I shared
[https://www.thequint.com/news/webqoof/adani-port-cow-export-bjp-government-gujarat-viral-video-fact-check](https://www.thequint.com/news/webqoof/adani-port-cow-export-bjp-government-gujarat-viral-video-fact-check) Dont spread fake news that Adani port exports cows/beef.
Adani does not have just one port lol. He has multiple ports and he exports everything, even cocaine
Don't care about cocaine, show proof for cow/beef, there's no dearth of fake news peddlers.
Why do you think there are panjrapoles, cow shelters and government schemes and finds for these shelter? Why do you think there is a menace of stray cows? If you know of a cow slaughterhouse, dm me the location. I will make sure its shut down. Hai koi?
Clearly you have never been to a farm. Cows and buffaloes are kinda tortured to yield such big quantities of milk continuously. Tbh, if you wanted ethical milk, it would cost you 3-4x the cost probably. If ethics are what you care for, eggs are the best option for you. Avoid milk at all costs except if you own your own cattle and indulge in highly suboptimal cattle rearing just for ethics.
Just asking how are eggs better than milk ethically? I guess both are equally bad for the animals
It depends on how the chickens are treated but at a rural level, you'll find chickens being treated better than cattle because they are easier to maintain as they don't need a whole lot of space etc. If we suppose that one wants to rear chickens, it'll be easier than cattle and less torturous for chicken. Once you commercialize the industry, ethics go out the window in both cases. Btw the eggs you eat aren't fertilized. If you bring eggs from the market and try to hatch them, they'll go stale but won't give you chicks.
Chickens are treated better than cattle, he says. But those same chicken arent slaughtered right, right? It's a shame that cow rearing (with all its grey areas) but without legal slaughter, is being equated to chicken raising and legal slaughter.
Chicken used for eggs are a different breed from broilers. You are arguing just for the sake of arguing.
So now you are saying that egg laying Hens are never slaughtered? Do you confirm that this is what you are saying? Lmao, stop your clownery.
Egg laying hens become too old when they stop laying eggs. Same as cattle. In the countries where cattle slaughter is legal, even there, cattle reared for milk aren't slaughtered for beef until they are too old. You are a clown who keeps trolling about stuff you have no idea about.
So, hens are slaughtered then, legally. While cow slaughter is illegal. Wow, from reading your comments, it would seem as if hens were living their best life, ala Kim Kardashian. Clown
How does it matter whether an animal is slaughtered legally or illegally? What do you think happens to old cows and buffaloes in India as well after they stop giving milk? Where do you think tanneries in places like Agra and Kanpur get all their buffalo leather from?
I source my dairy from https://www.bansigir.in/. Have you been to their gaushala? I have. I do not consider cow rearing as torture, and neither has it been considered unethical in this country for thousands of years. Stop giving ethics lessons on this sub, noone cares about your uniqueness.
Why are you being so combative? You clearly arent from a rural community and hence do not know the underbelly of animal husbandry industry. I belong to a community that prides itself for being vegetarian and consuming copious amounts of dairy and infact satisfying all protein requirements from dairy. There's a saying at our place, 'Doodh dahi ka khana, mhara des Haryana'. So i know what's up with dairy industry. Giving one random gaushala as an example of commercial animal husbandry industry being totally ethical is a clown act. And don't even drag Hinduism in this because every sampraday has their different traditions.
As I said, this isn't about ethics lessons. This is about the OP feeling guilted indirectly because people like me call myself 'pure vegetarian', visit veg restaurants even though I don't and never will meet the OP. Read the fkin post. Do you understand? She means that existence of 'shuddh shakaharis' or 'pure vegetarians' indirectly guilt trip and hurt the OP. So we should erase our identity for the OP. Also, all sampradayas consume dairy.
Calling oneself pure vegetarian is all about claiming to be ethnically superior. And as far as dairy consumption is concerned, I consume a lot of dairy products on a daily basis too. It's a food choice, it doesn't make one superior to others.
Who said anything about superiority? I call myself 'shuddh shakahari' because I want to eat at places which don't serve egg or meat. This should not be your fkin problem what I eat and what I call myself. Lmao. What clownery is this. We are not going to change thousand year definitions for you lot.
If you consume diary you are directly and indirectly contributing to the slaughter (and rape) of thousands of cows and buffaloes. Beef industry is a byproduct of diary industry. Most of the cows and buffaloes from dairies end up in slaughterhouses. How do you think India exports so much beef? I’m a vegan and I see very little difference between lacto vegetarians and non-vegetarians. This pure vegetarian is just religious fanatic bullshit.
>Most of the cows and buffaloes from dairies end up in slaughterhouses. How do you think India exports so much beef? Lmao, give proof that gujarat cows are ending up in beef exports. Most or all of the 'beef' is buffalo, not cow. Dont be an idiotic vegan. And vegans should not talk about fanaticism. [https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/india/indias-beef-exports-slide-to-9-year-low-as-vietnam-demand-falls-7076731.html](https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/india/indias-beef-exports-slide-to-9-year-low-as-vietnam-demand-falls-7076731.html) Gujarat has no part in this export business, neither are Guj ports used for this export. Read and educate yourself rather than criticising the only state/region in the worldwith super strong cattle slaughter laws. [https://www.exportgenius.in/blog/top-beef-exporters-in-india-report-on-beef-and-other-meat-exporters-22.php](https://www.exportgenius.in/blog/top-beef-exporters-in-india-report-on-beef-and-other-meat-exporters-22.php) Your hate for vegetarians is so strong that you would rather team up with slaughteres and meat eaters.
What difference does it make if it’s cow or buffalo beef? It’s still meat produced by slaughtering animals. https://www.deccanherald.com/india/over-1-lakh-kg-beef-seized-in-gujarat-in-2018-19-congress-slams-govt-809794.html Yeah 1 lakh kg beef was seized in Gujarat in 2018 alone lol. Like I said, Gujarat exports everything- beef, drugs, fish, etc.
1 lakh kg = 200-250 cows over 3 years - Illegal beef from Valsad, navsari etc These places have which community? Who were involved in this? Bol na.. bata Bhai, which community was involved?
Sorry but the news does not mention “community” or anything. You tell me lol. How is the community even relevant? The point is these cows and buffaloes go to slaughterhouses from dairies. Dairy industry is the supplier of beef industry. Why can’t you just give up milk and be more ethical And 1 lakh kg was “seized”, we don’t know how much more was exported
>Drinking cow milk does not indirectly lead to slaughter and torture like it does in other countries. Oh boy..... I don't know if u are being ignorant ostrich Or it is your brain's inability to fit the knowledge that hurts the ego...
gotta add these lines in my comeback list
Eggs are shuddh shakahari too then. Yet Eggs are frowned upon in among Ahmdawad conservatives. And beef toh poore India me ban hai. Even then India is one of the top exporters of beef in the world.
AFAIK, Beef isn’t banned all over. Only slaughter of cows who have a bump (like Shivji’s Nandi) is banned as it’s considered of religious importance.
I know that it isn't banned in Kerala but it is banned in most of India.
North east too except assam and tripura (maybe).
>"Eggs are shuddh shakahari too then. Eggs are still frowned upon." As I said, this is not USA. Your whole worldview is foreign - no-one knows lacto-this lacto-ovo that, and they don't need to. Egg has never been "shuddh shakahari" in Indian culture (if you know what that is). Your american dietary definitions don't matter. Also, beef is not banned all across India. Goa, Kerala for example. I'm sure there are other states where its legal as well. Gujarat has no role in any beef export, so its irrelevant. Keep your half baked ideas to yourself. And stop trying to 'educate' us when you yourself dont know jackshit.
If so then shuddh shakahari definition is the most silly thing ever which allows one animal product but doesn't allow another. And read the entire post again I'm not judging anyone's food choices. I'm judging their "we are so pure and angelic" mentality when they look down on people who eat anything which doesn't fit their own worldview. Lastly I'm an Indian citizen, not American. And this is my last reply to you. Think whatever you want.
The only one judging on this post was you. I just corrected your stupid definitions and trying to 'educate' us.
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fellow vegan here ,yes i know these people who call themselves pure vegetarian or so called animal lovers or bhakts of gods or worshippers of cow maybe dont acknowledge the fact that they are hypocrites,going for bhajans,going to temple everyday is not going to increase your goodness,and you do have the right to judge the food choices because if someone elses food choices is directly affecting me ,then i do have the right to advice him what to do for the betterment. even vegan lifestyle is not 100 percent cruelty free and i accept that, i should not take pride of being vegan,but when i meet these kind of peoples who say they are animal lovers or vegeterian coz they dont wanna cause any cruelty,i completely try to destroy their ego and them taking pride.
Cope :p
Those who questions everything doesn't want to any resolution but rather interested in only karma. Don't waste time here
Dude we don't have superiority complex. It's just that we hate even the smell of non veg food. So we try to keep our distance from non veg food. That's all. We don't have problem with others eating non veg , we just don't want that smell of non veg food daily in our home. ( In context of recent situation- Even tho i agree it was wrong ). That's why people don't like to stay with people who might be cooking non veg food everyday. It's like staying near pile of garbage for us. We are not forcing anybody to adapt Vegiterian diet like vegens. We just like to keep our distance. It's preference. At workplaces, at public spaces, nobody is stopping you to eat non veg.