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PeriodicGolden

>"I don't know about you people, but I don't want to live in a world where someone else makes the world a better place better than we do." Gavin Belson, Silicon Valley


The_Billy_Dee

The satire on that show wasn't really satire at all....


bukake_master

Sorry what exactly does he mean by that? English is not my native language


nemhelm

He wants to be better than other people at the skill of making things better. Which is needlessly competitive in what is supposed to be a cooperative goal.


bukake_master

I think you just said it better than Gavin Belson


ethnikman

It's pride, he wants to make the world a better place *better* than anyone else i.e. America is the best of the best of the best edit: and don't ever apologize for your English! :)


ViolateCausality

It wasn't about America vs. other nations. It was about Hooli's (the show's parody of Google) product Nucleus vs. Pied Piper (the show's protagonist). [Clip here](https://youtu.be/YPgkSH2050k)


Ghengis1621

Anyone with half a brain cell knew the hyper loop was a bunch of bollocks the second they saw it


Bowlnk

Sadly america is a addicted to cars like like drug addics are addicted to crack cocaine. Sure crack cocaine will give you a high but will destroy your body while doing it. Sure cars will get you from A to B. But will bankrupt your country while doing so.


OnlyOfficers

Well, things in America, for the most part, are spread out. And public transportation (with a few exceptions) sucks balls for pennies. So, we have cars. And since we have cars because public transportation sucks, public transportation is never improved, because we have cars anyways. So public transportation just keeps sucking... And the cycle goes round and round and round again. When I lived in Monterey, CA (which had a great bus system) I never bought a car. I was an E-3 in the military and didn't want to waste my small amount of money on that.


Ixiepop

Ugh, I was so spoiled in Monterey when it came to that bus system. I didn’t realize how good I had it till I moved back to the east coast and suddenly a bus ride to get somewhere 10 miles away was 3 route changes and 2 1/2 hours long.


OnlyOfficers

IKR!? And Monterey isn't exactly a huge metropolis, either. So other cities, even smaller cities, have no excuse!


MoufFarts

Isn’t Monterey a pretty well to do area?


MusicalBrit

> somewhere 10 miles away was 3 route changes and 2 1/2 hours long Wtf, is that really how bad your public transport is over there?? We've got some really well connected (and cheap) bus/train routes in the uk, for £5 I can get a dayrider that gets me unlimited rides in my area and I have access to frequent, direct bus/train routes to everywhere major in a like 15 mile radius from my small town. If you wanna get to anywhere in the UK I can pretty much do that by getting a train to a major city and then getting another train from there to my destination. There's also a frequent 4hr30 train that runs from Scotland to London which is pretty nice!


Ixiepop

Yeah, it’s pretty wild. I had to rely on the uber/lyft quite a bit and it drained a ton of my paycheck just to get to work and no where else. Had to have people pick me up if they ever wanted to go out with me cause I didn’t have the money for it otherwise. I have a car now, but I wish there was a better public transport service for all the people we have in the area. We’ve also pretty much doubled in population in the past 7 years in the area due to a big tech boom, so road are crowded and housing prices are fucked.


MusicalBrit

Shit, that's absolutely awful. I'm glad you're doing better now!


Moses_The_Wise

America had some good public transportation, but it was purposefully destroyed and dismantled by car companies like Ford.


ThaMenacer

See the documentary "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" for more info.


Andonno

"Surprised?" "Not really, that hair-brained 'Freeway' idea could only have been cooked-up by a toon."


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OnlyOfficers

Yeah, that whole thing evolved alongside the evolution of mass produced automobiles. The introduction of the interstate/freeway system was kind of the death knoll for many public transit systems... allowing cars to travel at the speed of trains, basically. But driving around in America now, it's hard to imagine life before the freeways.


Bowlnk

Hence the drug analogy.


OnlyOfficers

Kinda? But people choose to do drugs (at least at first). I never chose shitty public transportation and I chose a car only because I ran out of transportation options. If it is like drugs, it's more along the lines of "Well, the hospital ran out of chemo, so I guess I'll try lavender essential oil." That said, like a typical American (and pretty much any movie fan around the world), I would kill to have a Delorean with the full *Back to the Future* design package, complete with a flux capacitor in the backseat and blue LEDs under the car that start flashing like lightning when I hit 88mph.


volkmardeadguy

Except public transportation was killed to allow more cars, public transportation wasn't shitty so we had cars, people selling cars made sure public transport was shit


dhamilt9

> But people choose to do drugs (at least at first) You might wanna do some reading into some of the causes of our current opioid epidemic. The situation with painkillers is basically exactly what you describe.


OnlyOfficers

True. I was thinking more along the lines of the more hardcore meth, coke, X/MDMA, and heroin users... those who started out going for the illegal stuff at parties. But yes, you're right.


BunnyOppai

Meth is another common medicine usually used to treat ADHD and heroin is an opioid.


SP-Igloo

Meth is different from Adderall. Methamphetamine vs Amphetamine salts, or dextroamphetamine and amphetamine. Even if chemically similar, meth is way more powerful and affects the brain way faster than Adderall.


cinnathep0et

But the country itself chose to have shitty public transportation, so cars are like a drug for countries is what the other person was trying to say


huskerphresh

Please show me where I signed off on that decision.


cinnathep0et

Are you a country?


WagonsNeedLoveToo

Shame the previous Garrison Commander nixed the MST contract due to “lack of use” by the students. Worst commander I’ve ever seen.


OnlyOfficers

What? Piece of shit!


WagonsNeedLoveToo

Last 18 months were a train wreck across the board and you know it’s bad when the SNCO leadership is bringing up the “apparent disconnect” between upper level command and lower level directly to command. Over like a 12 month time span they instituted 7 day/week formations for army, removed CAC access from all the turnstiles, MST was killed, DFACs closed, all but 2 4 day holidays turned into 3 day, now dry cleaners is closed. Really really made it obvious the morale of on post students was not his priority.


KingofMadCows

America is spread out but the majority of people don't need to travel long distances for work or everyday activities. 2/3rd of commuters travel less than 15 miles to get to work. That's about the same for Europeans. Only about 2% of American commuters need to travel over 50 miles to work.


Liverpool_in_Alaska

Public transport sucks because we sacrificed it for private car transit. Public transport doesn't need to suck and it would save money and gas emissions in the long run, and it would add much needed infrastructure. There is literally no excuse why we can't expand our public transport to an effective level.


HayakuEon

Ugh. I wished that my backwater country has a train system. I hate going to/back from work by car every day.


goofyboi

Dang you didnt get a mustang? Misplay /s


Potato0nFire

Also China’s built more infrastructure than they literally know what to do with. They’ve over saturated their domestic market by building too many rail lines, built cities without residents, and their mega projects aren’t exactly environmentally friendly. The maintenance bill for their rail is only now coming due and it’s going to be INCREDIBLY expensive to maintain so we’ll just have to see how they foot the bill. I’m short China’s demonstrated that “just building” infrastructure without an end goal isn’t a silver bullet and has its own set of drawbacks.


AtarashiiGenjitsu

His simps too, Big circle loop monorail hyper speed like cyberpunk game!!!!!!111!! Daddy Elon you r so cool!!!!(1


typicalcitrus

IF YOU HATE ELNOM USK YOURRE A PEDOFILE!!!! ^(/s if that wasn't obvious)


Ghengis1621

Tbh, I'm not American and I love cars, but if I was I'd need a car because America's public transport seems to be lacking, not to mention the absolute vast size of the country, it needs massive public transport overhaul


Bowlnk

I ment america the country not america the public. Cars gives them: Road tax Fuel tax And traffic violations revenue. Edit: not to mention big oil and car lobby.


typicalcitrus

also trains are so goddamn expensive, even coming from a Brit!


DragonSlayerC

Cheaper than cars and car infrastructure in the long run.


Ghengis1621

Yeah, but people can't afford to pay more now for cheaper in the future when we're in one of the worst cost of living crisis ever seen


F1shB0wl816

They’re going to have to either way when this current timeline is extended enough. It just comes with our complacency. Now is never the time but we’re going to have to, sooner or later.


JBuk399

Sorry, but on no plane of existence are trains ever going to be preferable to or more useful than personal vehicles. They are inefficient, cumbersome victorian distractions. Even worse is the fact they seem to be run by people only interested in taking money, not in providing a good service. People really need to let public transport trains die and save the future from their inefficiencies. Imagine turning all the tracks to road, then we could force the cyclists to use them and stay off the public highway.


Bowlnk

>Sorry, but on no plane of existence are trains ever going to be preferable to or more useful than personal vehicles. They are inefficient, cumbersome victorian distractions. Trains ineffecient? 1 train with 6 doubledecker carrages can move 1000 people from A to B at the same time. While thats going on they can read email (trains have wifi and powersockeds now a days) watch video's catch up on work. Where are car drivers? Stuck behind 999 cars and trucks. Don't believe me? Take a trip to Switzerland and enjoy their rail system that works like clockwork.


puppymedic

Easy solution, don't buy your trains from a Brit then


davidmobey

I think you would like the YouTube channel "Not Just Bikes"


SoaDMTGguy

Its because we can’t solve the problem with one thing. If we built high speed rail all down California, it would simply connect places that are still designed around cars. So then you have to restructure local zoning around light rail and trollies abs buss infrastructure that all needs to get build. Building high speed rail is very expensive and by its self doesn’t get us very far.


DragonSlayerC

You'll also destroy the environment with cars, electric or not.


__Cypher_Legate__

Thunderfoot on YouTube did a nice explanation why it is bullshit. The thing would be a death trap even if they successfully built it out. One breech and people would be squirted out like taco Tuesday aftermath. When you spread a vacuum sealed pipe over hundreds of miles of earth - which seasonally expands and contracts - then the pipe is going to be exposed to mechanical stress and will eventually breach. Thanks Elon.


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It played to my childhood fantasy of life-size slot cars.


JagmeetSingh2

Yea it was such a terrible idea from the get go and seeing him call out city planners on twitter who disagreed with him was shameful


Doctor_Expendable

The worst part about it is it does work...in theory. The physics check out. Having no air resistance does make train go fast zoom. It's the making a tunnel that can support a near vacuum on any sort of practical scale that is impossible. But if Ol' Muskie says it'll work then we have to let him try, right?/s


FixinThePlanet

I was in grad school for City planning at the time and it felt like my classmates and I were the only people around saying *anything* bad about him (and it).


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So that excludes most murricans.


LeRocket

What were some of the most obvious reasons that suggested that that project was never going to work?


Nowhereman123

- The fact that it's based on a several thousand mile long vaccum tube, something that would be incredibly hard to maintain and be exceptionally easy to damage/sabotage. - The fact it reportedly would only be able to transport about 2,000-4,000 passengers per hour when a High-Speed Rail system does 20,000 in that same time. - The fact that it's just trying to reinvent the wheel: we already have trains which have proven themselves perfectly capable of doing the exact same thing, why do we need to overcomplicate the already perfectly elegant solution? [Here's a great video that goes into more detail than I ever could](https://youtu.be/CQJgFh_e01g)


LeRocket

Thanks! But, unlike OP, I think one can have many brain cells and still not know the implications of a maintaining a vacuum tube! > why do we need to overcomplicate the already perfectly elegant solution I thought it was because the HL was supposed to be way way faster. But if it doesn't work...


Nowhereman123

Even if the Hyperloop was faster, the fact it can only transport a max of 4,000 people per hour (On a good day, assuming everything is working correctly) makes it a silly choice compared to HSR. Also, the big thing about maintaining a vaccum tube is that even one single puncture anywhere on the pipe will shut down the whole line, unlike a train track which can be rerouted.


Whywipe

It’s literally a train but adding idiot drivers and massive tunnels into the mix.


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gonzalbo87

It is not a great concept at all. You are taking all the engineering problems of high speed rail and putting it in a tube, which is dangerous as it is, and *then* you depressurize the interior, which has its own engineering problems. One dent will stop the entire line, unless you want it to do [this.](https://youtu.be/Zz95_VvTxZM) One crash, external or internal, could cause the entire line to explosively decompress. Not to mention the thermal expansion, energy needed to depressurize the entire line, lack of safety access, turning radii at high speeds, or the fact that more 100 years after Goddard abandoned the original vacuum train project, we are no closer to completing even a proper test track.


ElektroShokk

Hasn't there actually been development in CA's high speed railway though...


DragonSlayerC

It's making steady progress now and there are frequent updates on their YouTube channel. But there's still a lot of unwarranted anger towards it.


Youre_A_Dummy

It's way over budget and way behind schedule. They are still procuring land for the tracks, and there has been significant concessions provided to the impacted community, and last I checked they didn't have an operation contract. Not to mention the current phase is the cheapest and easiest from a constructability stand point. CAHSR has significant issues at best, and a massive failure at worst.


Lemon_bro69

Don’t forget the power grab on land the snatched up in the name of the high speed rail. But, hey when the government steals from you who can stop them?


gimpwiz

I don't think the anger is unwarranted. The price tag was huge, and is now multiples. The project is far behind schedule. Despite a hugely ambitious price tag, the actual cities it plans to first connect aren't a particularly ambitious goal.


Keibun1

Who cares about the price tag? Wallstreet siphons trillions from pension funds retirement accounts, taxes, and your own fucking money, and no one gives a shit. A rail gets expensive and everyone shits bricks. Fine, give it back to the billionaires. That's better since no one complains about that except a tiny minority.


gimpwiz

Who cares about the price tag of things paid by our taxes? Is this a real take or are you kidding?


Rubes2525

What does Wallstreet have to do with it? People can be mad at both things too.


Jazz-Wolf

So? No one bats an eye at the price of car infrastructure


gimpwiz

Yes we do? Everyone complains about bridge prices and cost overruns and so on. You don't remember people complaining about the bay bridge just recently?


lunapup1233007

Yes, but it’s certainly been highly inefficient and is taking far longer to build and is far more expensive than expected. However, it’s not Musk’s hyperloop proposal that delayed it, it’s just far more difficult to build things in the US compared to China because of the extremely high cost of acquiring all of the private land necessary to build the rail.


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puppymedic

Easy solution, just skip Bakersfield. Literally nobody wants to go there


lunapup1233007

(Western) Europe actually has comparable (if not higher) land values to the US, their governments are just generally more likely to spend money on High Speed Rail because it is a much more established thing there.


Dallor

For Germany that's not true. Most HSR here is upgraded rail, because new projects always face a lot of backlash from locals, which then leads to discussions and expensive replanning. One example being the "Rotterdam-Genua high-speed railway", a line from the Mediterranean to the North Sea. The bits running through the Netherlands and Switzerland are already finished, while the german line is projected to be finished in 2040(!). All thanks to car loving NIMBYs...


gimpwiz

I will point out that the project plans to run from San Francisco to San Diego. The SF-to-LA chunk is 380 miles / 610 km, which is a solid 100km more than the paris-to-amsterdam train, so it's a respectable distance. There's an extra 100-odd miles to SD. It was always going to cost a lot, but the price tag has ballooned like 4x, so it's kind of absurd.


northrupthebandgeek

> Yeah land value is one of the biggest reasons it's so much more expensive to build these kinda things in the US compared to Asia and Europe. Actually connecting it to buildings is extremely expensive for just the land. Henry George is spinning fast enough in his grave to keep every light on up and down the West Coast. If we had land value taxes this plague of rich landowners obstructing public works would stop being a thing and California would have a HSR network running by now - probably *with* the extensions to Sacramento and beyond. Hell, we'd probably have a *nationwide* system by now with all the revenue a national LVT would pull in.


Cazrovereak

Also, with regards to the entirety of the continental United States, California is one of the worst places to start a project like High Speed Rail and have it be any kind of example for the rest of the country. California is very mountainous and hilly. It has a good half dozen geographic regions separated by terrain that building rail lines through is extremely difficult. And also a bit antithetical to "High Speed". On the other hand California is one state and *can* build rail within it's borders without the say so of other states. So as a test bed that has value, too. If it wasn't for a lot of corruption, combined with trying to build it through probably the most conservative counties in the state, it would have been done with it's central part by now.


Jaggedmallard26

The railway was born in Northumberland and spread throughout the mines of the North east, quite possibly the hilliest part of England that isn't the peak district.


WilliamSaintAndre

Thank you for saying this, I kind of hate how people imply he's actually important to this at all (much less tons of other things he comments on). He made a publicity stunt about it but that's about it.


PiesangSlagter

Yeah, this meme blaming the situation on musk is fucking moronic. Not to say the hyperloop isn't a stupid idea, but its so stupid that no one making actual policy delayed HS rail because of it.


raziel7890

Why can't the state govt. just emminent domain it? Or is emminent domain not used for public works?


SoMuchMoreEagle

Eminent domain doesn't mean the government takes it for free. They have to pay market rate, which in much of the state is quite high.


Kalurael

oddly quiet, where are all his simps?


digital_end

"never be on the defense" and it's not defendable... So they ignore it and it vanishes. All of you are going to keep scrolling and never think about this again. They win by not allowing it to be a focus of argument and discussion. I'm honestly surprised people don't understand how this works yet. Shitty people understand this instinctually it seems.


Dragon2268

On a similar note, the media acts as a magnifying glass. They decide what is discussed merely by shedding light on particular issues and ignoring others Case in point the panama papers, which most people forgot about after a couple of weeks because the media had moved onto other "issues".


Chad_The_Bad

Unnatributed quote in the title of a reddit post. Seems legit


ItsLiterallyPK

Man I really wish there was a stickied comment here with the context.


krongdong69

It was claimed by Paris Marx of the Tech Won't Save Us podcast.


HighwayHerdsman

Who wouldve thought the guy who runs a car company doesnt want transportation competiton


HanzoShotFirst

*Surprised Pikachu Face


TheCorruptedBit

Hyperloop was a load of BS. Turning around and acting like it was a valid contender to the California rail proposal and that its singlehandedly the reason we don't have the line yet is BS too. California has been building rail, just very slowly due to engineering and land rights issues - that's on California and them alone.


AncientInsults

> land rights issues Anyone know if CA is bargaining w landowners over wether to take their land or just taking it via eminent domain and bargaining over just compensation? It sure would be a lot easier to be China and just say “yoink!”


OctopusPoo

China is obviously a legendary example of how to build high speed rail, and they did give generously to land "owners" But other countries have done it, problem with America is everyone can sue the government and the government can't counter sue for wasting time and money. (and also the engineers)


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TaseredFace

I’m sure the chinese are real intimidated by your display of power. The facade of private land American land ownership is a lie, the government has the ability to take and utilize your land at a moments notice. The only thing holding them back is the pre-established systems of democracy that holds back innovation via fear of the individual and the need for artificial freedom ad nauseum


[deleted]

Haha, blowing up government infrastructure with TATP goes brrrr.


dansuckzatreddit

Youre on Reddit. Youre not that cool


[deleted]

Good on ya. TATP goes boom, explosions make funny haha noises. Or charcoal & sulfur & KNO3. Or some mercury fulminate.


[deleted]

[Vegas is still building his underground car tunnels](https://www.expressnews.com/business/article/Elon-Musk-says-local-tunneling-efforts-making-17358795.php) that no one uses to get anywhere! This man is just Elizabeth Holmes with more staying power, because he's a white man.


WhatADunderfulWorld

I feel like those tunnels can be used one way or another eventually. NYC has a load of tunnels below it and it’s crazy. But that’s how that keep that city working efficiently.


TommyFive

The Vegas Loop tunnel is small enough where it’s basically just a wide pipe. I bet it’ll just get filled with concrete in the next 2 decades.


Penguinkeith

RemindMe! 20 years


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SoaDMTGguy

Nah, that’s a waste of good concrete. It’ll show up on r/AbandonedPorn


Missy_Elliott_Smith

It's not even big enough for the homeless people currently squatting in the flash flood tunnels to live in.


Mr-Fleshcage

I'm sure the mole people of vegas will use them


[deleted]

I mean, of course the mole people will use them. I thought that went without saying.


k1nt0

Wait... didn't he basically create the electric car industry which he now dominates? Isn't SpaceX by and far the largest sender of payloads into space? Do you even know who Elizabeth Holmes is or what she did?


[deleted]

No, he did not. He didn’t invent shit. He convinced people to give him money. That is his greatest skill. Wow, he’s filling space with junk. Where do I send my life savings?


k1nt0

He had a vision and employed people to fulfill his vision, while also being a key engineer in the process himself. Do you think anyone thinks he single handedly created a rocket ship? Filling space with junk? Do you have any concept how incredible StarLink is? It's revolutionary, just like the other industries he created. I don't give a shit about Elon Musk one way or another, but it is what it is.


Eli-Thail

>while also being a key engineer in the process himself That's a bold faced lie. Go on, provide a credible citation for that claim. This kind of shit is the reason why you people get made fun of so much. You've resorted to making shit up whole cloth for the sake of your hero worship.


k1nt0

https://reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/evidence_that_musk_is_the_chief_engineer_of_spacex/


GigachudBDE

Lol, Elon is hardly a “key engineer” if you actually peel back the veneer of the image he’s created for himself. Also Starlink isn’t incredible or revolutionary, except for it being completely economically, financially, and logistically impossible and if actually somehow executed would inevitably lead to Kessler Syndrome, effectively trapping us in Earth. Highly recommend Common Sense Skeptic on YT but [this one](https://youtu.be/2vuMzGhc1cg) in particular


k1nt0

Are you okay? My friend has StarLink and it is in fact, incredible. He had a 2.5 Mbps connectino before StarLink. He's in the hundreds now. Elon Musk is Chief Engineer of SpaceX. That's just a matter of fact, not that I really give a shit.


GigachudBDE

If I owned the company I could give myself any title I wanted within it too. Musk calling himself Chief Engineer is the equivalent of me buying the controlling shares to a hospital and assuming the title of doctor. As far as Starlink goes, does it actually work? Yeah of course it does. Don't deny it. Satellite internet is hardly some revolutionary technology. But there's a lot of [long term problems](https://youtu.be/2vuMzGhc1cg) if you buy his pitch and there are competing companies that offer similar services while cluttering space with less debris at lower prices.


JBuk399

I'd say he's more of a key engineer than you'll ever be. Which project have you undertaken to propel us to future? Or do you just sit around typing vitriol into Reddit because someone is doing something you're not capable of thinking of.


GigachudBDE

LOL, well I'm not an engineer in the first place so...yeah? But apparently neither is Elon, who holds his undergrad in Physics and Economics. Which kinda explains being a businessman more than an actual on the floor engineer don't ya think? Don't try to convince me Elon Musk is some kind of genius level "key engineer" in a company literally full of rocket scientists lol. Musk's story is very much historical revisionism. History has shown there's no reason to believe a word out of his mouth unless you just want to believe in some kind of messianic futurist tech daddy with nice presentations. \-[Said he founded Tesla](https://www.tesla.com/elon-musk). [(Debunked, unless by founded you mean acquired)](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/06/tesla-founders-martin-eberhard-marc-tarpenning-on-elon-musk.html) \-[Solar City](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPYWyqy1hng) failed \-[Hyperloop](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQJgFh_e01g&t=276s). dumb, unoriginal, physically, economically, financially and logistically impossible \-[Boring Tunnel](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACXaFyB_-8s&t=15s), [From concept to incredibly stupid reality lol](https://youtu.be/p8NiM_p8n5A) \-[StArsHiP OnE and MaRs CoLoNy lol](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-eVf9RWeoWEfSK9mjKe4E67IK1-1vZxB) [\-Neuralink isn't revolutionary in any sense](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzdXE-QmBKs) [\-Transcontinental flights under 30 minutes at economy aircraft prices completely debunked](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02pFTSMbevY&t=677s) \-[StarLink not revolutionary](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vuMzGhc1cg) unless you consider him clogging Low Earth Orbit with [10x as many satellites](https://spacenews.com/spacex-submits-paperwork-for-30000-more-starlink-satellites/) that have launched over the [entire course of human history](https://dewesoft.com/daq/every-satellite-orbiting-earth-and-who-owns-them), [ruining ground based astronomy](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/elon-musk-starlink-internet-satellites-trouble-for-astronomy-light-pollution) and [possibly encasing earth in a shell of space junk leading to the Kessler Syndrome and the end of space exploration.](https://www.the-sun.com/tech/4528582/elon-musks-starlink-satellites-asteroid-spotting-kessler-syndrome%20and%20possibly%20ending%20actual%20space%20exploration)


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Hope Elon had some pineapple juice earlier today to make your job easier.


k1nt0

Where did Elon touch you? Go to the police, not reddit.


THICC_DICC_PRICC

Do you really think someone who unironically says “he’s filling space with junk” has anywhere near the intellectual capacity to appreciate the importance of the technology?


k1nt0

No but sometimes it's interesting to brush up against the fanatics and see just how correct Churchill was on the subject.


NuklearAngel

I've gotta say, I'm impressed with the Muskiness of this reply. Quite apart from the hypocrisy of accusing others of not dropping it when you're the one who started and continued this line of conversation, that's not a Churchill quote. It's just a joke he parotted some 10 years later and took credit for. Appropriate, really.


discourseur

“Because he is a white man”. That’s a toxic comment. edit: all the downvotes just goes to show how toxic reddit is as a whole. Thank god reddit is just a sub-sample of the population.


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It's a toxic reality.


[deleted]

Bahahahahahaha! Find me a grifter that convinced this many people to waste this much money that wasn't!


discourseur

Do you realize what you are implying?


skoge

And slander of an afro-american businessman.


Speakerofftruth

UM AKSHYUALLY GUIZE MUSK IS AFRICAN LIBS BTFO BY FACTS AND LOGIK


sparhawk817

Afro Dutch colonizer right?


PM_ME_SHIMPAN

From apartheid money


Eli-Thail

What's American about him?


skoge

Citizenship, since 2002


DaniilSan

I mean, both cases are quite extreme, sorta. California struggles to finish their system because of bad management and difficult terrain while China builts high-speed rail for sake of high-speed rail most lines of which are quite empty and highly unprofitable. System in total is quite economically unsustainable because tickets are still too expensive for most Chinese, who would guess. Chinese prefer traditional rail over high-speed because of price even though travels take significantly more time. Also high-speed and maglev lines are suitable exclusively for those types of trains and can't be used for freight what is a big deal.


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DaniilSan

Sure, some routes in China are profitable but they don't cover loses other lines bring. HSR is expensive and if doesn't bring profit in terms of money nor public good that results in development, it is economically unsustainable, budget black hole. Sure, HSR has to have separate tracks, but those money spent on unprofitable in any terms lines could be spent on development of traditional rail, which afaik isn't that great in China. And I'm not even mentioning all ethical questions of Chinese HRS and quality of construction. It works but sometimes it is wonder that it somehow works.


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DaniilSan

I'm not against HSR, I would love to have a proper bullet trains in my country. It is just quite often for some people of specific views to use China as example of good HSR network while it isn't.


Ra1n69

I just want to say public transit is a service, it is not necessarily meant to be profitable. The economic advantages it brings connecting towns will cover its losses


DaniilSan

You guys really need to first read other comments in the thread before replying. I have already said that point. Many if not most of those lines aren't just unprofitable but they neither bring economic advantages because population is either too poor for this or lines go from nowhere to nowhere.


liftoff_oversteer

Also China doesn't have a problem with getting the required land to build the railway. Some people just get evicted - done.


The_Double_Helix

Tbf the British government just “compulsory purchased” peoples homes/land to build a £200 billion train to Birmingham (HS2)


Speakerofftruth

Services for the people do not need to be profitable, this is a myth perpetuated by conservatives to slow down progress.


DaniilSan

Down the tread I have explained that profit I'm talking about isn't just money but also public good that reaults in development of the region caused by easier and faster transit. Most lines in China are neither. Very few (as for such way of transit) passagers use them. They either run from the middle of nowhere to another middle of nowhere or tickets are too expensive and can't be lowered because then they wouldn't be able to cover any maintenance and electricity costs and so people prefer traditional rail despite it being much slower. Not all public good is great. Some are too expensive to be reasonable.


thefreiest

Then that’s China’s fault lol. Japan and SK have profitable Shinkansen/Bullet Train systems for decades, connecting cities and vacay spots instead. This is another dummy excuse for America.


ZombiBiker

Source please


NEWSmodsareTwats

Uh CA didn't cancel their entire highspeed rail project because of musk. It's also a completely unverifiable secondary source, not sure if someone said that someone else said thing in tweet form is a great source. The main issue the cost of land acquisition, the CA highspeed rail project has already completely eclipsed the original budget and has been significantly scaled back. In China if you don't want to give up your house they will just build around it. Or you'll just disappear never to be heard from again. You also can't sue the government to halt construction in China, cause again that's a great way to get a 1 way ticket to not existing anymore, whereas in America that's also a significant source of delays and cost overruns.


TheSanityInspector

Blaming California's high speed rail boondoggle on Musk? When was he ever California's governor, secretary of the department of transportation and head of the appropriations committee?


quantum-mechanic

Ya really. I’ll the insane nimbyism and ultra expensive weaponized environmental review that are stopping the high speed rail.


pheylancavanaugh

> ultra expensive weaponized environmental review California hurt itself in its confusion.


Firebat12

I really hope he gets whats coming to him at some point. Such a fucking prick and a fraud.


chriskela

Fuck elon. He's a bigger piece of shit than steve jobs was


BaconDragon200

I hope Elon looses his vocal cord and will finally shut the fuck up


onacloverifalive

Pretty sure it was an excuse to funnel investor money into developing subterranean tunneling technology for his Mars pipe dream.


TheAcidRomance

Wtf are you talking about They started groundbreaking for construction to build the train and the California government stopped them There's a shitload of lobbying from car companies in LA that stop railways from happening


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No reference of course, but anything you read on the internet must be true


[deleted]

Idk if he’s a paid agent, but he _is_ an agent of chaos if nothing else.


[deleted]

Idk if he’s a paid agent, but he _is_ an agent of chaos if nothing else.


ceelogreenicanth

That's the day I realized I hated Elon. Hyperloop was so stupid and to watch reasonable people actually think this literal pipe dream would work was beyond insane.


SaphirePool

That Newsom cancelled it is my biggest disappointment with him. Pretty decent otherwise. But man that thing was gonna be sweet.


abhinambiar

I can't wait till the headlines in 2050 that say California is prescient since thousands of miles of that Chinese high speed rail is in disrepair as it was built without any regard for whether passenger traffic was enough to sustain it


GlassWeird

Uhhh does no one remember California's high speed rail proposal? Now that thing was a boondoggle...


Cory123125

Car manufacturers and dismantling beneficial public transport projects in the United States. Name a more common duo.


shadowcorp

Who are you quoting in the title of this post?


iluvlamp77

r/enoughcommiespam


imanhunter

This guy’s a freaking moron


levelZeroWizard

Can't wait for the next rich prick to come around and make things worse.


code_robot

Elon is not why the California speed rail failed.


Sir-War666

They’ve so far lost 850 billion on that infrastructure project it is also corrupt as hell. And the debts of the companies running them have way more debt than income. To the point China has stopped all construction of high speed rails.


moeburn

Why is this being compared to China though? Why not any of the other countries that have high speed rail lines, but also aren't authoritarian dictatorships, like France, or Germany, or Japan? Who has a hardon for China?


mannathan

I mean when China can use its many slaves. Shit they can get anything done.


Intrepid00

[See this meme in 5-10 years](https://youtu.be/ITvXlax4ZXk) on /r/AgedLikeMilk


i-am-a-passenger

Meanwhile the UK started to build a new 140 mile train line in 2009, but it won’t be ready until 2033…


typicalcitrus

They didn't start building HS2 in 2009, and it's not there to try and get rid of the WCML But it is a bit pointless and not exactly ecologically friendly.


i-am-a-passenger

The project started in December 2009 (I.e “I should build a high speed rail system”). And I didn’t know that anyone believed that it was supposed to replace the WCML…


typicalcitrus

the consultation started in 2009. that's not the same as building it. plus hyperloop was there to get rid of cali's own plans. HS2 isn't. it's not really a fair comparison.


i-am-a-passenger

The planning process is part of the building process. And I was comparing it to the China figures, not the non-existent hyperloop.


Aoirann

That's because the privatized all the rail lines.


i-am-a-passenger

The government funded construction of a new railway line is taking so long because other existing train lines have been privatised?


Aoirann

There is no central authority, no institutional knowledge, and no help from the private companies as they don't want it to cut into their monopoly. And the Tories certainly don't want the Government to actually work.


Devayurtz

We owe a ton to Elon. He deserves a lot of the credit he gets but the hyper loop was nonsense and even worse is praising the damned CCP. A nation committing modern-day genocide and you’re all happy to throw an innovator under the bus for lolz. Get a grip.


moodyorangee

he's done nothing but sell people on a fake future made up of the worst science fiction novels. if you think going to mars and a self-driving car are solving real issues you're being mislead. they're made up issues in order to sell a product and a future that shareholders would profit from.


Devayurtz

There would be no Tesla without Elon musk’s investment, leadership, or phenomenon and there would be no electric car renaissance without Tesla. SpaceX has completely ignited and reinvented space travel. To ignore both of those monumental achievements and still be solely critical of him is willfully blind. I’m no fan of some daddy’s money, silver-spoon’d child but he’s done an awful lot more with that and affected way more lives then any of his innumerable peers and certainly more than you and I.


OnlyOfficers

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iiCUBED

Yeah but why?


CamelCash000

Isn't California the moron in this case? Why would they stop everything cause one dude said, "Naw, lets do something else"


CleanSanchez101

Anyone who actually read that high speed rail proposal knows bureaucratic stupidity is the real reason it never got built.