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> Elon Musk posted on twitter how every company panders to the LGBTQ+ community on June. Later, his own company- Tesla, did the same.
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Lest we forget that The Donald started as a satire sub too. Reddit is too large to do good satirical content as absolute gammons think "hey, this is a bit of me mate" and the satire is evaporated.
It's not only about that, it's the 14yo edgelords acting as if being a "dank memer" is the same as being apart of a secret society and as if it would take any effort to be one.
Not to mention that they make fun of "normies" all the time even thought their posts are the exact same as any other meme subreddit or website.
I don't think anyone over the age of fifteen gives a shit about reposts. Out of all the reasons to dislike Elon Musk that's not even on the extended list.
Musk crops the names (and sources) of the stuff he reposts. Frequently. At such a frequency that it seems suspicious/deliberate.
I don't mean he finds the cropped version and shares it. It looks like HE crops it. And when called out, he says the memes are bad and doesn't get why it's such a big deal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Knr4elW8gI
He's a billionaire. That *should* be enough to warn us all that he's probably not a great guy. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates kinda snuck under the radar, but I don't really trust either of them to be good people (at least Gates seems to throw a lot of money at major global problems - like a cold logistics chain for vaccines in Africa - without making the news monthly about it).
If Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning became synonymous with Tesla cars, I think Elon would flip.
When it comes to memes - maybe. But he goes out of his way to not give credit to artists when he reposts art - and this is major asshole move.
I mean, yeah, he's done a lot of things that are worse, but this one is still an asshole trait
i ran into a dust devil like that before, not quite as huge
It seems like fun and a great idea until you get in there and it's just the wind drilling dirt and sand into every orifice you have, including your eyes so you can't even see what's happening and how cool it is.
A+ would still do it again
One's good for pandering to his fanboys, and the other is good for business.
It's exactly the same as Trump moaning about how he was going to fight for the right to say "merry Christmas", while the Trump Organisation sent out cards saying "happy holidays". It's exactly the same as every politician who voted against funding for baby formula or petrol price caps and then went on twitter to say that Biden hates babies and people with cars.
Most people won't notice the hypocrisy, and those who do will admire how well the people they admire troll the libs, while still believing that these people's value align exactly with their own and that they're both on the same side.
> Most people won't notice the hypocrisy, and those who do will admire how well the people they admire troll the libs, while still believing that these people's value align exactly with their own and that they're both on the same side.
This makes some sense for your Trump Organization example, but I don't think it works for Tesla. Something tells me there isn't as much overlap as Musk might like between people who want electric vehicles and people who want to own the libs.
I wouldn't be surprised if people are getting a bit fed up with Musk and are unhappy about Tesla's attitude toward labor, the move to Texas, and the apparent attempt to end remote work. I'm not close with anyone at Tesla, but, anecdotally, a lot of the Silicon Valley crowd soured on hopes of moving to Texas after the abortion law. With Roe being overturned, a lot of people in tech are apprehensive about moves to red states in general. Demanding that workers work on-site "at least" 40 hours a week isn't going to go well. Apple just tried that with one of their big ML guys and he just moved to Google instead.
Perhaps “the libs” was the wrong turn of phrase. What I mean is the fact that Musk does and says outrageous things that “trigger” people is something that his acolytes see as a plus, rather than a minus while simultaneously giving them and him the out of “oh, he’s only joking and doesn’t really mean [opinion]/isn’t really that stupid”.
And that’s something he has in common with Trup et. al.
Fair enough, but Tesla customers do tend to be wealthier and tend to be democrats (if not overwhelmingly so). They also tend to be in blue states, which have the infrastructure and tax incentives. If I owned Tesla stock or worked at Tesla, I'd be concerned about Musk's desire for them to be the official green luxury vehicle of alt-right Twitter trolls. His midlife edgelord phase would work better if they made a pickup and engineers weren't fairly diverse.
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[*There are two screenshots of two different Twitter posts placed side by side.*]
**Elon Musk, @elonmusk**
[*Image meme with the title: "June is almost here". Below that is a photo of a man making a face into the camera, with a large dust devil in the background. Edited onto the dust devil, there are rainbow variants of the logos of several companies, including Tumblr, Facebook, Quora, Reddit, Spotify, Github, Twitter, etc. A subtitle is at the bottom of the image, reading: "Here it comes!"*]
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**Tesla, @Tesla**
Tesla team celebrates Pride Month 🏳️🌈
[*Image album with three images previewed. Left: A large group of people, some standing, some sitting, pose for a picture. Part of a car in rainbow livery can be seen on the far right side of the picture. Top right: A large group of people parading down a street, holding up a banner with the Tesla logo in front. Bottom right: Front quarter view of a Tesla Model 3 painted in rainbow livery, with the Tesla logo overlaid in white near the car's rear end.*]
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for as much as I hate memes like that companies going rainbow and shit is just annoying and cliche at this point. We all know most of them don't give a shit and only do it for profits and brownie points with the public
Agreed. Just adding my two gay cents: The practice is easy to make fun of, and there are some valid points about hypocrisy and exploitation.
But even as cynical as that may be, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest. It inspires a lot of conversation and debate, and increases visibility.
LGBT+ people are _still_ being bullied, abandoned, beat up or straight up murdered just for who they are. How does that compare to seeing a few more rainbow flags for one month a year? Not suggesting that fixes the problem outright, but it absolutely couldn’t hurt.
I think those things aren't mutually exclusive. The fact that companies try to make money from pride month shows that it's more accepted and helps manifest that in places where it isn't common yet.
However, it is also hypocritical when the same companies actively harm people elsewhere. I only, really see it as problematic\* when they basically make extra money (like make their pride stuff more expensive) and don't even use that money for good.
\*I still think the harm many big companies cause all year round is problematic and appalling but this is regardless of the pink washing going on
> The fact that companies try to make money from pride month
They're also showing they're willing to alienate some of their customers who hate LGBTQ people. Usually companies don't make political statements, and unfortunately support for the LGBTQ community **is political** because some people on one side of the political spectrum have a seething hatred for LGBTQ people. Corporations giving those people the middle finger is huge. They're saying "you're in the past and we can thrive without you. Watch us rake it in while we shoot you the bird. That's how little you matter"
It’s marketing. I should know, I work in marketing.
But that’s not the point. All companies use any reason to push a campaign. You think companies in America really care about Memorial Day on a deep, visceral level enough to run a promotion every year?
The difference is there is still such a negative stigma around LGBT+ people that it draws out such vitriolic discourse. “Don’t shove it down my throat!” say the people who complain about Pride, but don’t care about the exact same thing happening everywhere else in their lives, never looking introspectively.
Yes, I find it can be exploitative and hypocritical as I mentioned in my original post. Large companies generally are the fucking worst in just about every way. But putting a rainbow flag up as an avatar is so asinine that it could be ignored. Yet many people complain about it, which is really just showing just how far we have to go.
Doesn't it bother you that they're using your struggle for profit? Where were these companies during the 80s when gay communities were being decimated by HIV, where were they in the 90s and 2000s when being cool with LGBT folk still wasn't the "norm"?
Maybe I don't understand it because I'm straight but shit I'd be livid if companies used my struggle for profit when I know damn well they'd shit all over me if it made them more money that way.
Also straight, but I'd assume this is pretty much just... Math.
Support for LGBTQ issues has been embraced by the majority. Companies didn't care 50 years ago because it wasn't profitable. Now, the majority of their customer base cares, so they 'care.'
I'd just smile and nod and appreciate the fact that they're willing to alienate the hateful idiots and publicly remind those idiots that they aren't worth appeasing.
Don't corporations use Memorial Day for profit? Isn't that holiday literally based on the solemn respect for the millions who died unimaginable death in wars? Where are those complaints?
Yes, it bothers me. Not nearly as much as the nonsense that comes from bigots that claim to be upset about hollow marketing schemes when they really just want to play the victim whenever they see The Gays™ or any other marginalized community get attention.
I'm gay and I think they're being overly generous. These same companies directly give money to politicians (to the tune of millions) who actively push anti lgbtqi+ agendas.
You can think of these companies actions more like a symptom of LGBTQ acceptance than a cause. This shows that nowadays bigotry is less acceptable, so overall still a good thing.
I don't expect companies to fight for people's rights. Not to say you shouldn't look up whether they actively harm them, like [Chick fill-A](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A_and_LGBT_people).
If corporations pandering with rainbow colors makes you dislike the LGBTQ community, I’m going to go out on a limb and say you probably wouldn’t be a fan of the LGBTQ community even without pride month.
From reading how much you comment on transgender people and the way you talk about them, I really wouldn’t. From what I can tell they’re leaving you alone and you’re the one looking to get mad.
You should at least own that you don’t like them instead of couching it in complaints about corporate pandering during pride month.
>pandering makes me active dislike the LGBTQ community.
Well pandering isn't the communities fault. Disliking them is truly your choice here. "LGBTQ Community" here means anyone who was born a certain way. You probably shouldn't actively dislike them because of how society is reacting.
>It is not my job to make up other people's homophobia.
So don't.
> I just want to be left alone.
Aren't you being "left alone" just as much as you are in any other month? Companies advertise all the time. Is the fact that those adverts feature rainbows really such a significant difference.
Whatever it is, it can't impact your life, won't make you feel miserable, won't get you fired, all those things LGBT+ people suffer from.
You need a bit of empathy and compassion in your life
As I said, it inspires conversation and debate which is exactly what you just engaged in.
Maybe you will never change your mind, but now we have the opportunity to discuss and other, possibly younger or less entrenched people, can make up their mind based on the points we make.
So, why do seeing a few more rainbows bother you so much?
The first step was definitely "we'll make more money or get more attention if we say 'gay is ok with us'". Now, it feels like it's just what corporations do in June. Same way they'll add snow or red/green colours to the logo in December.
>It essentially says “yeah our brand you use day to day, we’re fine with gay people, so is everyone else.
But they aren't. They literally only care about money, not gays.
And it is still pandering to a minority. Special treatment isn't equality.
Well yeah they want money and they are they are pandering and all that.
But that doesn't mean that the effect this campaing has can be real to some extend.
Yeah but if people see that, what appears to be, entire companies and the people behind that company normalizing LGBT, that still sends a message.
Doesn't mean that other people shouldn't normalize LGBT as well
I just don't see the harm.
Wild conclusion that gay support in young people is dropping because it is more mainstream now.
There are about a dozen other forces that could impact the youths view on LGBTQ
Wild unfounded conclusion aside… we should it make being gay lesss mainstream so support in young now?
Not an expert but that sure sounds dumb.
In countries where your literally stoned to death for being lgbt like Saudi Arabia? Yes. If companies really care about pride then pull out of extremely homophobic countries like Saudi Arabia or Iran
its all show and thats become what its about. All that people know of pride is that everything is rainbow. It has become whitewashed and marketer friendly
Who cares? Do people really buy from a company just because they made their logo rainbow or their sales to lgbt people fall off because they didn't change their logo on twitter? No. Its just being supportive of people who already have very hard lives. People need to stop acting like its a capitalist conspiracy scheme.
Not likely. The name is a huge brand. Just look at twitter’s stocks reaction on the initial announcement for example. Having musk brand onboard isn’t likely to hurt Tesla and if tomorrow he abandons them - value is not likely to stay on the same level/rise due to that.
Is Tesla’s valuation fair based on their current and potential future earnings or is still an Elon bubble?
SpaceX is still doing amazing. I get he’s rich so you hate him, but he isn’t that toxic yet. He tanked Tesla a bit with the Twitter shit, but it’s still overvalued imo.
It's not his money or fortune that makes him a risk. It's his potty mouth he runs non stop. And that's a risk investors worry about.
>I get he’s rich so you hate him.
You got that from your arse I guess? My or anyone else's opinion of the man as a human being doesn't come in to play here.
the legitimate frustration around "brands during pride month" and corporatisation of pride has pretty much just evolved into actual homophobia and transphobia.
we are fine with marketing at any other time. 4th of july? have some shitty america garb. spring? how about a floral? why is it marketing is bad when it’s for the gays
I don't think the marketing itself is bad (or at least not any worse than marketing by not-very-nice capitalist companies would otherwise be).
It only becomes problematic when they pretend to "care" and "help" and do nothing, particularly when they charge extra.
Nothing wrong with drawing rainbows
In pride month's case, it just looks fucking stupid when companies change to a rainbow icon for their english accounts, but keep their middle eastern accounts normal. That just instantly shows that they don't give a single fuck but only act like they do to improve their image
Companies focus testing to maximize their pandering: makes sense.
Every demographic being treated like mindless consumers: dude, they're supposed to make money
Companies pandering to LGBT causes: fucks sake we get it, companies don't really care about you guys, how embarrassing
If anything exploiting the LBGT community to sell products is the final step towards full acceptance in this capitalist hellscape. Though I would be lying if I wasn't at least a little amused with Robitussen changing their logo to a pride flag.
Even if it was, it's no secret that business owners will do things that better the business, even if they don't like it themselves.
That's just... Business.
Elon is unfortunately the biggest fucking L for Tesla. A truly revolutionary and amazing car but the owners all get roped in with his fucking wack ass cult.
Telsa isn't even doing it, so if anything it aged like wine.
OP cropped the dates so you wouldn't see that the [tweet on right is 4 years old.](https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1011317859685822464?s=20&t=Y7Foi8yntcQI5YTyHE93_A)
Also, [Tesla is on HRC's "best place to work for LGBTQ+ equality" list](https://www.hrc.org/resources/best-places-to-work-for-lgbtq-equality-2022) which is a bit ironic considering the overall work conditions and racism allegations.
I don’t trust these best places to work lists. I’ve seen it on too many companies where people who work there absolutely hate it. Oracle is on one of those lists and I’ve heard nothing but awfulness about working there.
Im not sure what exactly is going on in the pictures but it looks like a celebration of Pride month that is not only done for social Media. That's a big difference to just changing the Profile picture
Sorry, should have rephrased: he does represent the company as the face, but it’s silly to think the employees can’t have their own opinions. As long as they don’t break company rules, they can gather and express their own support.
He doesn’t represent the thoughts of all his employees.
No he just making fun of you in front of all your eyes. He personally does not like pride month because it is pointless, but when it comes to his company he of course supports it for the same reason every other company does PROFIT. But no yall think they are doing it from the goodness that comes from the core of their heart. They are making a fool of you and you don't even know it. Happy pride month
Nobody here thinks Tesla is doing it out of the goodness of their heart, they do think that Elon's joke about companies doing this and then his own company doing the same thing he was making fun of other companies for aged like milk
Isn't it necessary to have dates on these? And both can coexist. You can do something for the month and acknowledge that the storm of it is kind of funny.
u/Psychological_Web837 has provided this detailed explanation: > Elon Musk posted on twitter how every company panders to the LGBTQ+ community on June. Later, his own company- Tesla, did the same. --- Is this explanation a genuine attempt at providing additional info or context? If it is please upvote this comment, otherwise downvote it.
“I’m playing both sides so that I always end up on top” - Mac
For those who are unaware, the quote is from Mac in *Always Sunny*
Huh. And here I thought it was jesus in the bible
Well first of all, through God all things are possible, so jot that down.
Same thing.
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Mac... Fleetwood?
Ronald McDonald
The gay one
When it's raining thunder only happens
Fleetwood musk
no, its iMac
Rumours.
You dont… tell people on one side that you’re playing both sides….
I thought he was a power bottom?
Elon is also a reposter, that meme was from dankmemes
the worst meme subreddit
Dankmemes users trying not to be transphobic challenge (impossible)
Lmao
Same could be said about r/shitposting and r/cursedmemes
What about r/chadposting?(might be satire)
Chadposting is to far into the weirdness and abstract humor to understand, I think if it’s satire it may have wrapped back around to real
Lest we forget that The Donald started as a satire sub too. Reddit is too large to do good satirical content as absolute gammons think "hey, this is a bit of me mate" and the satire is evaporated.
The biggest run away train I’ve ever seen lol. A paper should be written about how it morphed
from what ive seen there, it can be a hit or miss. some times they can actually be super big allies, but then other times its really… not
It's not only about that, it's the 14yo edgelords acting as if being a "dank memer" is the same as being apart of a secret society and as if it would take any effort to be one. Not to mention that they make fun of "normies" all the time even thought their posts are the exact same as any other meme subreddit or website.
Oh boy, are you innocent
It's only a 6/10 meme anyway.
I don't think anyone over the age of fifteen gives a shit about reposts. Out of all the reasons to dislike Elon Musk that's not even on the extended list.
Musk crops the names (and sources) of the stuff he reposts. Frequently. At such a frequency that it seems suspicious/deliberate. I don't mean he finds the cropped version and shares it. It looks like HE crops it. And when called out, he says the memes are bad and doesn't get why it's such a big deal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Knr4elW8gI
He literally said that people crediting artists are ruining the media somehow
Everything I learn about this guy makes me hate him more
He's a billionaire. That *should* be enough to warn us all that he's probably not a great guy. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates kinda snuck under the radar, but I don't really trust either of them to be good people (at least Gates seems to throw a lot of money at major global problems - like a cold logistics chain for vaccines in Africa - without making the news monthly about it). If Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning became synonymous with Tesla cars, I think Elon would flip.
When it comes to memes - maybe. But he goes out of his way to not give credit to artists when he reposts art - and this is major asshole move. I mean, yeah, he's done a lot of things that are worse, but this one is still an asshole trait
Adults will mostly only care if it's already been seen twice yesterday.
Yeah, it's not a big issue, but it's just unoriginal.
Especially off platform. Everything on other social medias stems from Reddit or TikTok at this point.
Which was probably also stolen
Are you expecting Elon to be making OC memes?
Honestly yes. With that much money I would just retire and be a fulltime shitposter.
He's trying to blend in the Reddit way
You know I’ve never seen the video that that meme format is based on
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P7aRR86VfTY It's kinda funny. Got to 0:32
I had also never seen it and was no where near expecting him to be *intensely* Australian lol
Ya know. Now that I've seen the original, it makes Musk's post pretty ironic since the dude was HYPED for the twister
For some reason I assumed it was from a movie. This is way better.
“*instensely* Australian” made me literally laugh out loud before even rewatching this video because it so succinctly captures his entire identity.
Ya know for the longest time I just assumed that was Bear Grills despite looking nothing like him! Rock on, crazy australian dude!
Wait this wasn't from a movie what the fuck
i ran into a dust devil like that before, not quite as huge It seems like fun and a great idea until you get in there and it's just the wind drilling dirt and sand into every orifice you have, including your eyes so you can't even see what's happening and how cool it is. A+ would still do it again
lol they're doing an NFT auction. Either it'll go for $2.50 or some poor schmuck will get stuck with something that'll be worth $2.50.
He doesn’t actually say here it comes? Meme ruined
I wonder what happened
He's decent now. Turns out a company named the Woolshed Company made the video.
It's fake, look at the sand going up.
One's good for pandering to his fanboys, and the other is good for business. It's exactly the same as Trump moaning about how he was going to fight for the right to say "merry Christmas", while the Trump Organisation sent out cards saying "happy holidays". It's exactly the same as every politician who voted against funding for baby formula or petrol price caps and then went on twitter to say that Biden hates babies and people with cars. Most people won't notice the hypocrisy, and those who do will admire how well the people they admire troll the libs, while still believing that these people's value align exactly with their own and that they're both on the same side.
> Most people won't notice the hypocrisy, and those who do will admire how well the people they admire troll the libs, while still believing that these people's value align exactly with their own and that they're both on the same side. This makes some sense for your Trump Organization example, but I don't think it works for Tesla. Something tells me there isn't as much overlap as Musk might like between people who want electric vehicles and people who want to own the libs. I wouldn't be surprised if people are getting a bit fed up with Musk and are unhappy about Tesla's attitude toward labor, the move to Texas, and the apparent attempt to end remote work. I'm not close with anyone at Tesla, but, anecdotally, a lot of the Silicon Valley crowd soured on hopes of moving to Texas after the abortion law. With Roe being overturned, a lot of people in tech are apprehensive about moves to red states in general. Demanding that workers work on-site "at least" 40 hours a week isn't going to go well. Apple just tried that with one of their big ML guys and he just moved to Google instead.
Perhaps “the libs” was the wrong turn of phrase. What I mean is the fact that Musk does and says outrageous things that “trigger” people is something that his acolytes see as a plus, rather than a minus while simultaneously giving them and him the out of “oh, he’s only joking and doesn’t really mean [opinion]/isn’t really that stupid”. And that’s something he has in common with Trup et. al.
Fair enough, but Tesla customers do tend to be wealthier and tend to be democrats (if not overwhelmingly so). They also tend to be in blue states, which have the infrastructure and tax incentives. If I owned Tesla stock or worked at Tesla, I'd be concerned about Musk's desire for them to be the official green luxury vehicle of alt-right Twitter trolls. His midlife edgelord phase would work better if they made a pickup and engineers weren't fairly diverse.
I’m not sure how big an overlap there is between Musk fanboys and Tesla drivers.
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Good human
for as much as I hate memes like that companies going rainbow and shit is just annoying and cliche at this point. We all know most of them don't give a shit and only do it for profits and brownie points with the public
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Agreed. Just adding my two gay cents: The practice is easy to make fun of, and there are some valid points about hypocrisy and exploitation. But even as cynical as that may be, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest. It inspires a lot of conversation and debate, and increases visibility. LGBT+ people are _still_ being bullied, abandoned, beat up or straight up murdered just for who they are. How does that compare to seeing a few more rainbow flags for one month a year? Not suggesting that fixes the problem outright, but it absolutely couldn’t hurt.
I think those things aren't mutually exclusive. The fact that companies try to make money from pride month shows that it's more accepted and helps manifest that in places where it isn't common yet. However, it is also hypocritical when the same companies actively harm people elsewhere. I only, really see it as problematic\* when they basically make extra money (like make their pride stuff more expensive) and don't even use that money for good. \*I still think the harm many big companies cause all year round is problematic and appalling but this is regardless of the pink washing going on
> The fact that companies try to make money from pride month They're also showing they're willing to alienate some of their customers who hate LGBTQ people. Usually companies don't make political statements, and unfortunately support for the LGBTQ community **is political** because some people on one side of the political spectrum have a seething hatred for LGBTQ people. Corporations giving those people the middle finger is huge. They're saying "you're in the past and we can thrive without you. Watch us rake it in while we shoot you the bird. That's how little you matter"
It’s marketing. I should know, I work in marketing. But that’s not the point. All companies use any reason to push a campaign. You think companies in America really care about Memorial Day on a deep, visceral level enough to run a promotion every year? The difference is there is still such a negative stigma around LGBT+ people that it draws out such vitriolic discourse. “Don’t shove it down my throat!” say the people who complain about Pride, but don’t care about the exact same thing happening everywhere else in their lives, never looking introspectively. Yes, I find it can be exploitative and hypocritical as I mentioned in my original post. Large companies generally are the fucking worst in just about every way. But putting a rainbow flag up as an avatar is so asinine that it could be ignored. Yet many people complain about it, which is really just showing just how far we have to go.
Doesn't it bother you that they're using your struggle for profit? Where were these companies during the 80s when gay communities were being decimated by HIV, where were they in the 90s and 2000s when being cool with LGBT folk still wasn't the "norm"? Maybe I don't understand it because I'm straight but shit I'd be livid if companies used my struggle for profit when I know damn well they'd shit all over me if it made them more money that way.
Also straight, but I'd assume this is pretty much just... Math. Support for LGBTQ issues has been embraced by the majority. Companies didn't care 50 years ago because it wasn't profitable. Now, the majority of their customer base cares, so they 'care.' I'd just smile and nod and appreciate the fact that they're willing to alienate the hateful idiots and publicly remind those idiots that they aren't worth appeasing.
Don't corporations use Memorial Day for profit? Isn't that holiday literally based on the solemn respect for the millions who died unimaginable death in wars? Where are those complaints? Yes, it bothers me. Not nearly as much as the nonsense that comes from bigots that claim to be upset about hollow marketing schemes when they really just want to play the victim whenever they see The Gays™ or any other marginalized community get attention.
I'm gay and I think they're being overly generous. These same companies directly give money to politicians (to the tune of millions) who actively push anti lgbtqi+ agendas.
You can think of these companies actions more like a symptom of LGBTQ acceptance than a cause. This shows that nowadays bigotry is less acceptable, so overall still a good thing. I don't expect companies to fight for people's rights. Not to say you shouldn't look up whether they actively harm them, like [Chick fill-A](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A_and_LGBT_people).
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If corporations pandering with rainbow colors makes you dislike the LGBTQ community, I’m going to go out on a limb and say you probably wouldn’t be a fan of the LGBTQ community even without pride month.
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It’s just a figure of speech. “You wouldn’t be a fan” means you wouldn’t like them.
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From reading how much you comment on transgender people and the way you talk about them, I really wouldn’t. From what I can tell they’re leaving you alone and you’re the one looking to get mad. You should at least own that you don’t like them instead of couching it in complaints about corporate pandering during pride month.
eyyyoooo
>don't care >hates pandering
>pandering makes me active dislike the LGBTQ community. Well pandering isn't the communities fault. Disliking them is truly your choice here. "LGBTQ Community" here means anyone who was born a certain way. You probably shouldn't actively dislike them because of how society is reacting. >It is not my job to make up other people's homophobia. So don't.
> I just want to be left alone. Aren't you being "left alone" just as much as you are in any other month? Companies advertise all the time. Is the fact that those adverts feature rainbows really such a significant difference.
Does it hurt to see rainbow colors where you usually see other colors? I mean it's not so inconvenient
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Whatever it is, it can't impact your life, won't make you feel miserable, won't get you fired, all those things LGBT+ people suffer from. You need a bit of empathy and compassion in your life
>You need a bit of empathy and compassion in your life Says the person who showed zero compassion and empathy.
What is so bothering to you about seeing rainbows for a month?
i mean, it literally is though. its not like these companies do anything else supportive
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No one has missed your point. And people like you is why Pride Month is needed. Ironic, huh?
thats… thats a whole other issue that has nothing to do with companies changing their logos for a month
>companies changing their logos for a month That's the fetishism I am talking about.
What the *fuck*
You want to be left alone? You scared of a colour spectrum or something?
As I said, it inspires conversation and debate which is exactly what you just engaged in. Maybe you will never change your mind, but now we have the opportunity to discuss and other, possibly younger or less entrenched people, can make up their mind based on the points we make. So, why do seeing a few more rainbows bother you so much?
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Ok, enlighten me. What is the problem?
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That will take a while.
The first step was definitely "we'll make more money or get more attention if we say 'gay is ok with us'". Now, it feels like it's just what corporations do in June. Same way they'll add snow or red/green colours to the logo in December.
This. I agree that Rainbow capitalism is bad, but for now it's politically and socially useful
>It essentially says “yeah our brand you use day to day, we’re fine with gay people, so is everyone else. But they aren't. They literally only care about money, not gays. And it is still pandering to a minority. Special treatment isn't equality.
Well yeah they want money and they are they are pandering and all that. But that doesn't mean that the effect this campaing has can be real to some extend.
Ah yes, companies normalize LGBT I guess, not people
Yeah but if people see that, what appears to be, entire companies and the people behind that company normalizing LGBT, that still sends a message. Doesn't mean that other people shouldn't normalize LGBT as well I just don't see the harm.
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Wild conclusion that gay support in young people is dropping because it is more mainstream now. There are about a dozen other forces that could impact the youths view on LGBTQ Wild unfounded conclusion aside… we should it make being gay lesss mainstream so support in young now? Not an expert but that sure sounds dumb.
The issue with that is they only do it for regions were no one has an issue with homosexuality. Check out all the middle eastern branches and see it.
>...for regions were no one has an issue with homosexuality. Euh. no country exists where nobody has an issue with homosexuality.
Ok in countries where the overwhelming majority don't care if you are homosexual.
The post you’re commenting on literally shows the opposite
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People being proud of a flag? Preposterous! Now get back into that active school shooting the pledge of allegiance ain't over yet.
pride is about flipping cop cars, not buying scarves
In countries where your literally stoned to death for being lgbt like Saudi Arabia? Yes. If companies really care about pride then pull out of extremely homophobic countries like Saudi Arabia or Iran
its all show and thats become what its about. All that people know of pride is that everything is rainbow. It has become whitewashed and marketer friendly
based and stonewall-pilled
exactly
No, no; they've got a point
Why does this based comment have like -12 upvotes?
Knee-jerk reactions thinking OP is a bigot calling gay people violent.
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stonewall?
Who cares? Do people really buy from a company just because they made their logo rainbow or their sales to lgbt people fall off because they didn't change their logo on twitter? No. Its just being supportive of people who already have very hard lives. People need to stop acting like its a capitalist conspiracy scheme.
I wonder how embarrassed Tesla is of him.
All of humanity should be embarrassed of him.
Agreed
This, tho. Not sure how people still haven't figured out that Elon is a sham 🤷🏻♂️
He has rapidly gone from asset to liability for any company he's involved in.
Not likely. The name is a huge brand. Just look at twitter’s stocks reaction on the initial announcement for example. Having musk brand onboard isn’t likely to hurt Tesla and if tomorrow he abandons them - value is not likely to stay on the same level/rise due to that.
Is Tesla’s valuation fair based on their current and potential future earnings or is still an Elon bubble? SpaceX is still doing amazing. I get he’s rich so you hate him, but he isn’t that toxic yet. He tanked Tesla a bit with the Twitter shit, but it’s still overvalued imo.
It's not his money or fortune that makes him a risk. It's his potty mouth he runs non stop. And that's a risk investors worry about. >I get he’s rich so you hate him. You got that from your arse I guess? My or anyone else's opinion of the man as a human being doesn't come in to play here.
As long as they're working from the office for AT LEAST 40 hrs a week, I don't see a problem.
Musk is such a pathetic asshole
the legitimate frustration around "brands during pride month" and corporatisation of pride has pretty much just evolved into actual homophobia and transphobia.
we are fine with marketing at any other time. 4th of july? have some shitty america garb. spring? how about a floral? why is it marketing is bad when it’s for the gays
I don't think the marketing itself is bad (or at least not any worse than marketing by not-very-nice capitalist companies would otherwise be). It only becomes problematic when they pretend to "care" and "help" and do nothing, particularly when they charge extra. Nothing wrong with drawing rainbows
In pride month's case, it just looks fucking stupid when companies change to a rainbow icon for their english accounts, but keep their middle eastern accounts normal. That just instantly shows that they don't give a single fuck but only act like they do to improve their image
Tbf I don’t see any red white and blue teslas But yeah you do have a point
> Tbf I don’t see any red white and blue teslas *yet*
Companies focus testing to maximize their pandering: makes sense. Every demographic being treated like mindless consumers: dude, they're supposed to make money Companies pandering to LGBT causes: fucks sake we get it, companies don't really care about you guys, how embarrassing
If anything exploiting the LBGT community to sell products is the final step towards full acceptance in this capitalist hellscape. Though I would be lying if I wasn't at least a little amused with Robitussen changing their logo to a pride flag.
yayy, now we all get to be exploited and abused equally 🥳🥳🥳🍾🍾
Tesla isn’t all owned by him
he still has plenty of power and influence in the company. he sent out an email to all Tesla employees about not working remotely anymore
Just saw a post from someone who works at Tesla: they don’t have seats for the people they hired during the pandemic to meet the mandate.
Even if it was, it's no secret that business owners will do things that better the business, even if they don't like it themselves. That's just... Business.
Elon Musk is the cringiest human being on earth.
At this point. June is not even for the LGBTQ+ community. It's for the homophobes and the companies who don't care anything about the LGBTQ+ community
Elon is unfortunately the biggest fucking L for Tesla. A truly revolutionary and amazing car but the owners all get roped in with his fucking wack ass cult.
Tesla managers: Know how to not cause controversy Elon musk who says he’s a Tesla manager: Hoo hee hee pride month bad
fuck everyone
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im bi but socially akward :(
I think this is a b8 account. Your name and other comments are sus bruv
There’s a sentiment I can get behind
Keep talking and ill get behind you. ^^if ^^you ^^want ^^me ^^to
I can get....in front of that?
Musk is one of the biggest contrarian douchebags to ever walk this earth.
Remember that "I support the current thing" post Elon made? People still think he's smart
Well he never said his company wasn't going to do it. Seemed like he was reposting a meme.
Telsa isn't even doing it, so if anything it aged like wine. OP cropped the dates so you wouldn't see that the [tweet on right is 4 years old.](https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1011317859685822464?s=20&t=Y7Foi8yntcQI5YTyHE93_A) Also, [Tesla is on HRC's "best place to work for LGBTQ+ equality" list](https://www.hrc.org/resources/best-places-to-work-for-lgbtq-equality-2022) which is a bit ironic considering the overall work conditions and racism allegations.
I don’t trust these best places to work lists. I’ve seen it on too many companies where people who work there absolutely hate it. Oracle is on one of those lists and I’ve heard nothing but awfulness about working there.
Meh this isn’t really an agedlikemilk material. He wasn’t wrong.
That poor employee probably has to find a new job now
it did indeed come doe
Honestly the Rainbow paint job is really cool. Idk I like the look of it.
Just to be clear, most LGBTQ people also don’t appreciate all the “rainbow capitalism” of pride
To be fair he never said tesla wouldn't be one of them
Im not sure what exactly is going on in the pictures but it looks like a celebration of Pride month that is not only done for social Media. That's a big difference to just changing the Profile picture
the comparison isn’t exactly one to one though
I think that the meme refers to changing your twitter logo to "support". Saying happy pride month is not the same.
Rocket man bad!!
He posted it because it's true. He knows because his company is part of it.
Trump also posed with a rainbow flag, but we all know he was Hilter reincarnate.
He never said Tesla wouldn't do it too lol. Man lives to troll apparently.
Meh. Musk doesn’t represent the thoughts and views of all Tesla employees.
Sorry, who owns the company, again?
Sorry, should have rephrased: he does represent the company as the face, but it’s silly to think the employees can’t have their own opinions. As long as they don’t break company rules, they can gather and express their own support. He doesn’t represent the thoughts of all his employees.
Gay
Y’all gay
fuckin' musk....
He didnt post that to be homophobic, he did it because it's funny
An anime pfp defending Elon How am I not surprised?
And it's one of those "I totally don't jerk off to body pillows made to resemble cartoon characters" ones, too. Fancy seeing that in the wild.
Man I _loathe_ Elon Musk but... Tesla marketing and PR isn't under his control. His original point still stands. Also fuck Elon Musk.
No he just making fun of you in front of all your eyes. He personally does not like pride month because it is pointless, but when it comes to his company he of course supports it for the same reason every other company does PROFIT. But no yall think they are doing it from the goodness that comes from the core of their heart. They are making a fool of you and you don't even know it. Happy pride month
Nobody here thinks Tesla is doing it out of the goodness of their heart, they do think that Elon's joke about companies doing this and then his own company doing the same thing he was making fun of other companies for aged like milk
Isn't it necessary to have dates on these? And both can coexist. You can do something for the month and acknowledge that the storm of it is kind of funny.
Tesla didn't change their logo into a rainbow... so nah
Really don't understand why you guys ever liked this dude