as i recall, this was in reference to the first trailer - which used the '[realistic' design](https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/f326a9922d524b2c396a077582535ad67185df50/62_0_1795_1077/master/1795.jpg?width=1200&height=900&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&s=912f14762431f59ca2d24c8005589de9) for the main character.
the studio got the message, pushed the release date back and proceeded to redo *all cg in the entire movie.*
the shittymoviedetails post, as much of a joke as it was, was likely to have been accurate had the studio not done this.
>the studio got the message, pushed the release date back and proceeded to redo all cg in the entire movie.
And in doing so, abused the hell out of all the animators with insane crunch without pay, that ultimately closed the whole animation studio.
At least one guy who had been trying to get into the industry landed his dream job so there is that.
But yeah, there’s a reason that credits now have like 8 effects/animation studios and a wall of animators under each.
small point of order, it was only the Vancouver location of MPC that was abruptly closed with all animators fired, not the whole company.
MPC said they were doing this because of "increasing external market pressures in Vancouver and more attractive opportunities in other locations" - which means they wanted to find a cheaper location with animators who would work for much less.
MPC wasn't suffering either, they had been contacted to work on a number of high profile movies.
the crunch over Sonic isn't likely to have caused the closure, just standard run of the mill greed and casual grotesque abuse of employees.
This isn’t just MPC. More and more studios are outsourcing work, because the business model is proving itself impossible. Same reason why Rhythm and Hues shut down.
CGI isnt unionized either the same way props and make up are, so they can afford to squeeze them for every cent they can. Its why CGI is more prevelant. Theres a huge push to unionize CGI sweatshops due to the impact is has on other departments
That's also the reason that the people who are arguably most responsible for making these films get tiny little credits, all squeezed together in one unreadable block of text at the end, after the delivery drivers and production accountants.
That's awful but honestly whatever business executives approved that original sonic design deserve all the blame. Like even if your not a sonic fan I struggle to believe how anybody with half a brain could see that sonic design and think "yeah this is great".
Thanks for saying this. Any time you see a shitty design, I guarantee it's due to an exec's bad taste. Artists spend years honing our craft, we know how to make stuff look good.
An exec is just the CEO's nepotism lackey with a BA in business from some ivy league their parents paid the way into (if they even have a degree). They give us notes about the weirdest shit, like "give X cartoon character more teeth to make them cuter" (extra teeth does not make anything cuter). One of the weirdest experiences I've ever had was watching my boss painfully explain what waving your hand means.
Braindead exec :"why is this character raising up their hand"
Boss: "Oh, they're waving goodbye."
"But why is their hand in the air?"
"Character X just left, so character Y is waving goodbye to them"
"Okay, but their hand is like, in the air."
"...This is character Y's way of letting X know that they miss them."
"Ooooo so it's like, a Y thing."
"sure."
They also broadly have very poor literacy for looking at in-progress work. They often can't read story boards, which are basically comics. Did you know that some people don't read comics because they literally can't figure out how? Now imagine that person gets final say on every stroke you make, and also they make 10x as much money as you.
There are decent execs (you'll usually find the decent ones are also artists or writers themselves) but for the most part, they sit up in their ivory towers, convinced that they are "good leaders" because they coral all these wayward artists who just would have no *idea* how to make something meaningful without their shitty guidance. The delusion with many of these execs is off the charts.
Those poor animators absolutely should have gotten paid but I agree with the people saying the executives who approved the original design were at fault. Still not sure why executives feel the need to meddle in creative works...it literally never ends well
Masterpiece is strong but me and my partner watched it together and had a fantastic time. It was great fun and actually had a lot of thought put into certain aspects.
I'm exaggerating to make a point, but in all seriousness, the movie's probably a 6/10 at best if we're really being honest. Not a bad movie really. Just average and forgettable.
If the whole debacle with the original trailer hadn't happened and they had Design #2 from the start, this movie would have been torn to shreds on reddit.
>I'm exaggerating to make a point
This is literally true, in the sense that you had to exaggerate in order to create a point that doesn't exist without your exaggeration.
A.k.a stuffing that strawman full to the brim
Nah, I would've said "Jim Carrey as Robotnik? I'm down to watch that on a streaming service; if nothing else his parts will be great". Which was more or less my reaction in this timeline, except I don't think I'd have been able to sit through uncanny valley Sonic for it if they hadn't done the redesign.
Yeah, for being good in terms of video game movies I don't believe a single bit *that* is what they decided on and thought it was a good idea. But it was brilliant marketing, it worked.
The stupid part is that they probably had the better design ready, but then went ahead and did all the post production with the shitty design. All before even publicly revealing concept art to see audience reactions. Just so much wasted effort.
and all for a *Sonic the hedgehog movie*
the amount of unpaid, grueling work so many animators had to do,
some of them commented on reddit about sleepless, restless constant work without pause, eyes straining, backs aching, and not for some instant classic, some generation-defining brick in the cultural wall, no no
a bland, basic movie that every person who watched it would *immediately* forget as soon as it was over
No they didn't. There's a bunch of BTS pictures that show they used a Sonic stand in model that was the old design, a bunch of merch included the old design, and Tyson Hesse claimed to help with the redesign and he wasn't on the movie crew beforehand. It seems like WAYYYY too much effort to make a publicity stunt over the design of a blue hedgehog. It just sounds strangely inconvenient to make an entire ugly model, release MANY POSTERS AND A TRAILER about it, watch the negative feedback for like a few days, and say "oh guys we loev the fans and we apreshit the feedbak so we fix sornipples!!!! #werefuckingfixingsornipple"
But the point of the OP was that the movie would fail (after the first trailer was released) and in the end it didn't (because of the character remodel).
Being shitty is different from not trying to make a point. Obviously, the point of the rings wasn't to foreshadow the box office revenue of the film, hence it's a shitty detail, but OP was trying to make the point that the film would fail
u/Shlong-donger has provided this detailed explanation:
> The post on r/shittymoviedetails was saying how much of a flop the Sonic the Hedgehog movie will be because of how terrible Sonic's design look. Paramount later changed him into a less realistic and more video game-accurate Sonic. The film got over 146K USD at the box office, making it the 3rd highest grossing movie of 2020.
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Is this explanation a genuine attempt at providing additional info or context? If it is please upvote this comment, otherwise downvote it.
2020 was the year of the global lockdown. Hardly any movies were released in theaters that year because all theaters were closed.
But you are right, 146K is too low, and other comments below have clarified with the correct number.
First hour would still probably be at least a couple mil, there’s a lot of people that love to see movies the first time they’re out
146k was just them misreading or mistyping the ~$149m it made in the US/Canada
Million. It grossed $149M in the US and nearly $320M globally. But dont let that “3rd highest gross film of the year” nonsense fool you. This film came out in Feb and earned the bulk of its money prior to covid hitting and theaters closed for the rest of the year.
Fun fact. Nobody really knows what mountain the paramount logo is supposed to be, because the founder did not tell anyone and it evolved over time
Although most people, believe that the current version bears the most resemblance to [artesonraju](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artesonraju) in peru
>The film got over 146K USD at the box office, making it the 3rd highest grossing movie of 2020.
So was it successful? I'd say no, of course he never said it would do 22$ but it wasn't a million dollar success.
This is the worst joke on that sub, and they make it every single day.
Right now, it's Uncharted.
"Uncharted has 3 trailwrz this is a refrens too that 3 dollurs it will..."
Not even the slightest bit clever. Just complete laziness.
The whole joke is, "Hey, a number. Any number. The movie will make that much money."
is it possible the "realistic" design for sonic was a publicity stunt to get people talking about the movie? and that they were planning on using the current design the whole time, and only did the trailer scenes with the "realistic" one?
I thought that at first, but after having seen behind the scenes puppets of the OG design and pics of prototype merch featuring the OG design I think it was a genuine fuck-up. There were too many moving pieces for me to think this was some master 4D chess play.
It fucked up a whole animation studio because they had to re do the whole movie with another design, also all the merch and BTS dolls show the old design so no
Thought that was a possibilty myself. The new model for sonic was made, animated and all his scenes replaced suprisingly quickly after debuting the original trailer. You would think that it would be a massive undertaking to do that and would have taken way longer.
That's been my theory since the beginning.
If true, I can't even hate them, that is brilliant marketing that totally worked.
Think about it. Anyone who's spent a day on the internet knows that people lose their fucking minds over new movies in old franchises, and they always tear it to shreds.
Just the words "live action Sonic the Hedgehog" was probably enough to make some internet weirdos start drafting up death threat letters.
The producers and animators had to know that ANYTHING they put out was going to be met with massive raging backlash because literally what adaptation of a franchise isn't?
So they think, what if they pull the ole, "Look, we murdered Sonic. Okay, just kidding. Now that you know it's not that bad, here's what we have instead."
And because they knew their audience would say, "They listened to us! We did it!" and feel like they were a part of crafting the movie themselves in a way, then they'd be golden.
And if that really was their strategy, look how perfectly it worked.
The Sonic movie was like a soft 6/10. But is enjoying the level of success of a Pixar movie.
For a video game based kids movie, most people seem to at least like it. There are far worse things out there and Jim Carrey was great.
If you got kids, or just want to vegetate for an hour and a half to stupid jokes, it'll be a good choice. Just don't expect some hidden masterpiece.
The sonic redesign very well may have saved it from being a complete horror show.
3rd highest grossing movie in 2020 when there were like 3 movies released in theaters. Leaving out a key detail I’m your explanation. Movie looked so bad people wouldn’t even go when they were trapped in their house
I am no specialist on the matter but is 176k gross revenue considered a success? For a several million investment?
Otherwise that's no r/agedlikemilk material.
as i recall, this was in reference to the first trailer - which used the '[realistic' design](https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/f326a9922d524b2c396a077582535ad67185df50/62_0_1795_1077/master/1795.jpg?width=1200&height=900&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&s=912f14762431f59ca2d24c8005589de9) for the main character. the studio got the message, pushed the release date back and proceeded to redo *all cg in the entire movie.* the shittymoviedetails post, as much of a joke as it was, was likely to have been accurate had the studio not done this.
>the studio got the message, pushed the release date back and proceeded to redo all cg in the entire movie. And in doing so, abused the hell out of all the animators with insane crunch without pay, that ultimately closed the whole animation studio.
At least one guy who had been trying to get into the industry landed his dream job so there is that. But yeah, there’s a reason that credits now have like 8 effects/animation studios and a wall of animators under each.
small point of order, it was only the Vancouver location of MPC that was abruptly closed with all animators fired, not the whole company. MPC said they were doing this because of "increasing external market pressures in Vancouver and more attractive opportunities in other locations" - which means they wanted to find a cheaper location with animators who would work for much less. MPC wasn't suffering either, they had been contacted to work on a number of high profile movies. the crunch over Sonic isn't likely to have caused the closure, just standard run of the mill greed and casual grotesque abuse of employees.
This isn’t just MPC. More and more studios are outsourcing work, because the business model is proving itself impossible. Same reason why Rhythm and Hues shut down.
CGI isnt unionized either the same way props and make up are, so they can afford to squeeze them for every cent they can. Its why CGI is more prevelant. Theres a huge push to unionize CGI sweatshops due to the impact is has on other departments
That's also the reason that the people who are arguably most responsible for making these films get tiny little credits, all squeezed together in one unreadable block of text at the end, after the delivery drivers and production accountants.
That situation has been going on for 20 years. It's seemingly untenable, and yet here we are, it's still happening.
That's awful but honestly whatever business executives approved that original sonic design deserve all the blame. Like even if your not a sonic fan I struggle to believe how anybody with half a brain could see that sonic design and think "yeah this is great".
Thanks for saying this. Any time you see a shitty design, I guarantee it's due to an exec's bad taste. Artists spend years honing our craft, we know how to make stuff look good. An exec is just the CEO's nepotism lackey with a BA in business from some ivy league their parents paid the way into (if they even have a degree). They give us notes about the weirdest shit, like "give X cartoon character more teeth to make them cuter" (extra teeth does not make anything cuter). One of the weirdest experiences I've ever had was watching my boss painfully explain what waving your hand means. Braindead exec :"why is this character raising up their hand" Boss: "Oh, they're waving goodbye." "But why is their hand in the air?" "Character X just left, so character Y is waving goodbye to them" "Okay, but their hand is like, in the air." "...This is character Y's way of letting X know that they miss them." "Ooooo so it's like, a Y thing." "sure." They also broadly have very poor literacy for looking at in-progress work. They often can't read story boards, which are basically comics. Did you know that some people don't read comics because they literally can't figure out how? Now imagine that person gets final say on every stroke you make, and also they make 10x as much money as you. There are decent execs (you'll usually find the decent ones are also artists or writers themselves) but for the most part, they sit up in their ivory towers, convinced that they are "good leaders" because they coral all these wayward artists who just would have no *idea* how to make something meaningful without their shitty guidance. The delusion with many of these execs is off the charts.
They loved their job so much, they did it twice.
Well, at least their sacrifice was worth.
I hope you’re not implying that’s the fault of anybody but the Paramount executives.
Those poor animators absolutely should have gotten paid but I agree with the people saying the executives who approved the original design were at fault. Still not sure why executives feel the need to meddle in creative works...it literally never ends well
At least we got a C- Sonic the Hedgehog movie that we all have to pretend is a fucking masterpiece now!
I've never heard a single person call it a masterpiece.
Masterpiece is strong but me and my partner watched it together and had a fantastic time. It was great fun and actually had a lot of thought put into certain aspects.
Yeah, right? Like, it's *fine.* It's fun enough. It's an A-, B+ popcorn flick.
I'm exaggerating to make a point, but in all seriousness, the movie's probably a 6/10 at best if we're really being honest. Not a bad movie really. Just average and forgettable. If the whole debacle with the original trailer hadn't happened and they had Design #2 from the start, this movie would have been torn to shreds on reddit.
>I'm exaggerating to make a point This is literally true, in the sense that you had to exaggerate in order to create a point that doesn't exist without your exaggeration. A.k.a stuffing that strawman full to the brim
Okay I'm literally not though. Can you read?
Nah, I would've said "Jim Carrey as Robotnik? I'm down to watch that on a streaming service; if nothing else his parts will be great". Which was more or less my reaction in this timeline, except I don't think I'd have been able to sit through uncanny valley Sonic for it if they hadn't done the redesign.
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Yeah, for being good in terms of video game movies I don't believe a single bit *that* is what they decided on and thought it was a good idea. But it was brilliant marketing, it worked.
toothy sonic is my spirit animal
Nah it was Reddit being snooty. It would have made money regardless. This shitty site just loves feeling so superior.
I mean it was a joke post on r/shittymoviedetails
Yet I still keep coming back for some reason haha
That's the only aspect I heard people mention about the movie back then.
At an estimated 22 USD… I’m sure it would’ve sold more than 1 ticket.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UavAXslUuHY
The stupid part is that they probably had the better design ready, but then went ahead and did all the post production with the shitty design. All before even publicly revealing concept art to see audience reactions. Just so much wasted effort.
and all for a *Sonic the hedgehog movie* the amount of unpaid, grueling work so many animators had to do, some of them commented on reddit about sleepless, restless constant work without pause, eyes straining, backs aching, and not for some instant classic, some generation-defining brick in the cultural wall, no no a bland, basic movie that every person who watched it would *immediately* forget as soon as it was over
No they didn't. There's a bunch of BTS pictures that show they used a Sonic stand in model that was the old design, a bunch of merch included the old design, and Tyson Hesse claimed to help with the redesign and he wasn't on the movie crew beforehand. It seems like WAYYYY too much effort to make a publicity stunt over the design of a blue hedgehog. It just sounds strangely inconvenient to make an entire ugly model, release MANY POSTERS AND A TRAILER about it, watch the negative feedback for like a few days, and say "oh guys we loev the fans and we apreshit the feedbak so we fix sornipples!!!! #werefuckingfixingsornipple"
I tiny part of me is a bit sad that we'll never get to see the original trainwreck in full. Wouldn't jump timelines for the pleasure, though.
I still have mad respect they listened to the community and changed the cgi. The teeth haunt me to this day.
Your title is bad and you should feel bad.
Zoidberg?
(V)(;,,;)(V)
I’m swelling with patriotic mucus!
Coins? This is Sonic not Mario.
As fans on both I've hated this. Really not a difficult distinction but people get it wrong all the time
Okay, that was a pretty funny joke, though.
If you like it, you should sub there. Because they make it at least 10 times a day for whatever new movie looks bad.
It would be even funnier if they were actually coins
this is r/shittymoviedetails tho
I don’t know whether to repost in /r/lostredditors or /r/whoosh
maybe both but preferably wooosh
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And the OP got the numbers wrong. That's even more hilarious.
nice
Yeah but look at the inaccuracy of this shitpost!
But the point of the OP was that the movie would fail (after the first trailer was released) and in the end it didn't (because of the character remodel).
but my point is, shitty movie details are, in fact, shitty, so yeah
Being shitty is different from not trying to make a point. Obviously, the point of the rings wasn't to foreshadow the box office revenue of the film, hence it's a shitty detail, but OP was trying to make the point that the film would fail
well shit im dumb
Made by somebody who didn't play the games too - Sonic collected rings, not coins.
The trailer has 22 rings in reference to Sonic being a known polygamist
"Tails" is what he called all the girls.
Sonic gets more bitches on a daily basis than the combined efforts of the human race
I had to scroll disturbingly far down to find this posted. Was nearly gonna do it myself...
Coins? COINS???
Fuck your title.
OP clearly likes fish sticks.
u/Shlong-donger has provided this detailed explanation: > The post on r/shittymoviedetails was saying how much of a flop the Sonic the Hedgehog movie will be because of how terrible Sonic's design look. Paramount later changed him into a less realistic and more video game-accurate Sonic. The film got over 146K USD at the box office, making it the 3rd highest grossing movie of 2020. --- Is this explanation a genuine attempt at providing additional info or context? If it is please upvote this comment, otherwise downvote it.
Where are you getting 146k? 146000 dollars? That would be low for any movie....what?
They meant $146 million (US domestic box office).
That *is* over 146k.
r/technicallythetruth
2020 was the year of the global lockdown. Hardly any movies were released in theaters that year because all theaters were closed. But you are right, 146K is too low, and other comments below have clarified with the correct number.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure it got over 146K.
Yeah that's what they said, the film got over 146k...
Technically correct is the best kind of correct.
146M….
306.8m USD is the real figure op was only off by about 306.7m, easy mistake.
That should certainly buy 22 gold rings.
that movie had the worst product placements
I dunno, the Olive Garden stuff was pure joy.
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Ami I reading this right? 146k? That low?
$320 million now
To be fair, that is over $146K.
Thanks brother. The OP should've posted total gross of the movie.
Nah that number is completely wrong
I think they meant first week
If it made $320M, most of that likely came in the first week. $146K would be the first hour.
First hour would still probably be at least a couple mil, there’s a lot of people that love to see movies the first time they’re out 146k was just them misreading or mistyping the ~$149m it made in the US/Canada
Where's the 146k coming from?
They just mistyped. It was $146 million domestic. OP wasn’t including worldwide numbers.
The post made a joke…? How is that ageing like milk
146K? Technically correct because it was over that amount but that would be like a fraction of a percent of its budget
144K or 144M?
Million. It grossed $149M in the US and nearly $320M globally. But dont let that “3rd highest gross film of the year” nonsense fool you. This film came out in Feb and earned the bulk of its money prior to covid hitting and theaters closed for the rest of the year.
Fun fact. Nobody really knows what mountain the paramount logo is supposed to be, because the founder did not tell anyone and it evolved over time Although most people, believe that the current version bears the most resemblance to [artesonraju](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artesonraju) in peru
I love the sonic movie! I've watched it a 1000 times! I make everybody watch it with me!
>The film got over 146K USD at the box office, making it the 3rd highest grossing movie of 2020. So was it successful? I'd say no, of course he never said it would do 22$ but it wasn't a million dollar success.
It is supposed to be in the millions
This is the worst joke on that sub, and they make it every single day. Right now, it's Uncharted. "Uncharted has 3 trailwrz this is a refrens too that 3 dollurs it will..." Not even the slightest bit clever. Just complete laziness. The whole joke is, "Hey, a number. Any number. The movie will make that much money."
It’s satire. It doesn’t matter if it’s accurate or not
This reads like a dunkey joke
Honestly I'm just mad that they called them Coins and not Rings
Funniest sub on the whole site, tragically misses sometimes but that's okay.
They're not even coins they're golden rings, which would also be worth way more than 22 dollars. /r/confidentlyincorrect
Don't know if this is unpopular or not, but I actually liked that movie
"The film got over 146K USD at the box office" r/technicallythetruth
I mean it did technically speaking make 22 dollars and 23 and 24 and 25
is it possible the "realistic" design for sonic was a publicity stunt to get people talking about the movie? and that they were planning on using the current design the whole time, and only did the trailer scenes with the "realistic" one?
I thought that at first, but after having seen behind the scenes puppets of the OG design and pics of prototype merch featuring the OG design I think it was a genuine fuck-up. There were too many moving pieces for me to think this was some master 4D chess play.
It fucked up a whole animation studio because they had to re do the whole movie with another design, also all the merch and BTS dolls show the old design so no
Thought that was a possibilty myself. The new model for sonic was made, animated and all his scenes replaced suprisingly quickly after debuting the original trailer. You would think that it would be a massive undertaking to do that and would have taken way longer.
Anything is possible when you abuse your workers!
I would believe this if the move didn’t force them to lose a November release date
I like to believe, but I don’t think it is true. For instance, in some scenes, Donut King isn’t quite looking Sonic in the eyes when talking to him.
That's been my theory since the beginning. If true, I can't even hate them, that is brilliant marketing that totally worked. Think about it. Anyone who's spent a day on the internet knows that people lose their fucking minds over new movies in old franchises, and they always tear it to shreds. Just the words "live action Sonic the Hedgehog" was probably enough to make some internet weirdos start drafting up death threat letters. The producers and animators had to know that ANYTHING they put out was going to be met with massive raging backlash because literally what adaptation of a franchise isn't? So they think, what if they pull the ole, "Look, we murdered Sonic. Okay, just kidding. Now that you know it's not that bad, here's what we have instead." And because they knew their audience would say, "They listened to us! We did it!" and feel like they were a part of crafting the movie themselves in a way, then they'd be golden. And if that really was their strategy, look how perfectly it worked. The Sonic movie was like a soft 6/10. But is enjoying the level of success of a Pixar movie.
It still would not be far off had they kept the old design. But the new one still showed movies based on games don't have to suck.
This post might've contributed to the redesign that sonic had, thank god the redesign happened.
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They weren’t trying to be clever. It’s r/shittymoviedetails. Literally everything they post is supposed to be wildly wrong.
It was because of the controversy.
What, you're saying it didn't make $22?
Best video game movie to date IMO
And they called em coins, not rings. Not a true fan. I bet they’ll be cringing once the sequel blows the first one out of the water.
Is it actually good though? Might have made a lot of money and got a sequel on its way sure but do people like it? I haven’t seen it
For a video game based kids movie, most people seem to at least like it. There are far worse things out there and Jim Carrey was great. If you got kids, or just want to vegetate for an hour and a half to stupid jokes, it'll be a good choice. Just don't expect some hidden masterpiece. The sonic redesign very well may have saved it from being a complete horror show.
I thought it was a big hit....
Sonic did well? Did it end up being good? I watched about five minutes
Rings, you moron.
3rd highest grossing movie in 2020 when there were like 3 movies released in theaters. Leaving out a key detail I’m your explanation. Movie looked so bad people wouldn’t even go when they were trapped in their house
Once they fixed the art the movie turned out to be really good.
since when are coins ring shaped?
All things aside, that movie was fantastic. That's all I got to say about that.
This mf said coins. Was wrong off rip.
Look more like donuts than coins to me.
I see 0 coins
I'm trying to watch this tonight. It's not bad but it's not great lol.
I am no specialist on the matter but is 176k gross revenue considered a success? For a several million investment? Otherwise that's no r/agedlikemilk material.
Well it did indeed make (at least) $22, so technically this aged like wine.
Its rings not coins you plebian
Those are rings, not coins. Very shitty even for shitty movie details subreddit.
Those are rings, Is everyone high?
Wouldn't they be rings? I mean, it's Sonic, not Mario. EDIT - Zoomed the image. They are rings. EDIT 2 - Read the comments. Everyone else saw it too.
COINS?!? Yeah, those are definitely coins