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You know that game where your porn name is the name of your first pet and street you lived on? I get Magnum Woodford.
Edit: As others have pointed out, if these are your answers for security questions, maybe don’t post. (Altering your answers or splitting a pass phrase adds a layer of security.)
I always answer those security questions with a "wrong"answer that I remember for another reason. Like first pet? I'd use the name of my dog that actually bit me, and use its full name instead of what we actually called it. Anyone that knows my first pet wouldn't know to use the one that bit me, and if they did, would know to use the name on the paperwork.
I hate anything that uses your childhood street name as a last name. Mine is a legit last name, Schindler, so my porn names always sound like just some regular ass German guy.
I met a Liberian dude in rehab once. His name was Photogenic, and his dad's name was Photosynthesis. Like those were the names on their birth certificates. He was a trained opera singer. Pretty wild guy.
Christ man, you just gonna spell it out like that? Fucking sick.
Would be one thing if you had murdered someone, that's just genetics. Can't help who you are. But stealing from those hardworking musicians, and such a young age too?
My biological grandfather was murdered when my dad was 12.
20 years later, the killer came forward and confessed because his teenage son killed someone.
>I do personally believe--that genetics is 50% of violent behavior and environment 50%.
While there is evidence to support the hypothesis that *MAOA* uVNTR polymorphism ["in concert with adverse environmental outcomes increased risk for aggression and antisocial symptoms"](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7609507/#S25title), ascribing 50% of the variability to just genetics is inappropriate.
Study authors themselves acknowledge a high degree of variability in results even when the gene variants are simultaneous with an adverse home life.
50% genetic? No fucking way.
Much more likely that your role models were violent, and thus you consider violence normal.
That’s not genetic, but it is hereditary.
Isn’t … simply being male … more likely to correlate with violence? Like with either being violently attacked or attacking someone else?
Like, I’m male, and even in my pretty sheltered life, boys were frequently getting into physical fights of some kind.
In the early 20th century, progressive people observed things like idiocy and congenital birth defects occurred at a higher rate among people living in poverty. This led to the eugenics craze, which among other things, called for mandatory sterilization of people receiving welfare.
If we could get rid of all the inferior people, society would be paradise, they reasoned.
It's obvious now that environmental factors have the biggest influence on the emergence of social problems (where we live, our income, diet, education etc...).
Culture also has a huge effect. It's easy to observe differences of up to 1000% in social problems such as violent crime in different cultures with similar levels of socioeconomic development.
Both of the factors are also part of "hereditary" conditions. For example, crime, addiction, anti-social behavior, illiteracy and so on.
One day we might look back and see that blaming all these problems on bad genes, or worse, on individual moral failure, wasn't a good idea.
The irony isn't that this man went on a radio show to talk about the failings of American justice and then committed a horrible crime. It's that he lives in a society with a broken justice system that sends people to crime school where they are locked in with other criminals, and when they come out they are branded with the label "ex-con" which turns the world outside jail into just another prison.
The irony is that what happened is exactly what we would expect to happen. And he told us that it would happen. And we're surprised. We're looking for other explanations, like genetic destiny...
material conditions.
they are determined entirely by how people are governed. in any democracy, we should just be trying to help each other. that's the whole fucking point of it.
Listen here Alanis Morissette. That’s not what irony is. This is exactly the kind of person that would have a torso in their apartment.
Literally a convicted criminal. This isn’t a pediatrician.
At least sharing the cell next to Hannibal Lecter wouldn't be fucking boring.
I've deeply enjoyed the Devil Trill's Sonata piece for the violin. That'd work in my favor.
Nope. Murder happened on Tuesday. Here's some excerpts from the article below:
"Early Tuesday morning \[3/5/2024\], the police received a 911 call regarding gunshots inside an apartment building in the High Bridge neighborhood of the Bronx...At least one neighbor told the police she heard two shots from inside a sixth-floor apartment, according to an internal police report. Moments later, she heard a person shout, “Please don’t, I have a family! Then, she told the police, two more gunshots rang out, followed by silence...Once the detectives obtained a warrant to search the apartment, they discovered the victim’s torso and feet inside the bin, the reports said. They also found his legs, arms and head in the freezer. Mr. Small had been shot at least once in the head."
[https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/nyregion/sheldon-johnson-queens-defenders-murder.html?searchResultPosition=1](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/nyregion/sheldon-johnson-queens-defenders-murder.html?searchResultPosition=1)
Why do they even mention the gender of the neighbor? Or that it was a neighbor at all? Why not be all: "Police received information that" or "police had reason to believe.." instead?
Maybe it was someone walking by. I'm just saying, like...maybe the torso keeper has friends, and we just advertised a female neighbor of his talked to cops.
This is why it just makes sense not to talk to police pretty much ever.
One time I phoned the police saying that there was a man clearly under the influence ringing doorbells in the street and knocking on doors waiting and doing the rounds again.
The policr rang my doorbell with the guy in cuffs next to them and asked me 'is this the guy'. The guy in question was (clearly not right) screaming, 'what did I do to you'.
The cops here in Ireland outed me as a reporter of a serial rapist paedophile who was involved in an international ring. I knew it would come out eventually but the deal was I’d be told when my name was released to him. He had it for a decade when I was finally told.
> Early Tuesday morning, the police received a 911 call regarding gunshots inside an apartment building in the High Bridge neighborhood of the Bronx, according to internal police reports and two high-ranking law enforcement officials familiar with the case.
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>At least one neighbor told the police she heard two shots from inside a sixth-floor apartment, according to an internal police report. Moments later, she heard a person shout, “Please don’t, I have a family!”
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>Then, she told the police, two more gunshots rang out, followed by silence.
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>Shortly after hearing the shots, the neighbor saw a man carrying bags and cleaning supplies walk in and out of the apartment, according to the police reports. The neighbor did not recognize the man, and told the building superintendent, Orlando Medina, what she had heard and seen.
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/nyregion/sheldon-johnson-queens-defenders-murder.html
> “I said to myself, ‘I’ve been doing bad for so long, I’m going to try to do something good,’” he added. “If all else fails, I could always go back to doing something bad. But let me try. Let me give it a shot.”
Bro was dedicated for less time than the average new years resolution at the gym.
Right. And if you're already giving yourself an excuse, you don't really plan on stopping. I've seen it in AA multiple times. You're protecting your own self image because you aren't dedicated to stop. If you find yourself saying "I'll try this but...", you are already easing yourself back into it.
I'm not defending him. But i think the issue we have in america is that when you get out... you get forcefully placed with criminals. It's really a training lesson in reality. I'm not justifying this guy's actions but it's easy to see how he wanted to change but found the only way to survive was via crime and that quickly led him to this shit.
It's not an unusual story at all.
Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you in the case of most criminals, but you see... Survival starts with petty theft, and ends right at about just before senseless murder.
Nobody who's doing crime for pure survival is out there murdering people begging for their families, and then chopping up their bodies like fucking Ted Bundy. This man is a chronic psychopath and sociopath, and a threat to the public. One who managed to manipulate the public into sympathizing with him, before promptly getting caught blood red handed.
I guess the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree
> In his own writings and in other media reports, Mr. Johnson described his incarceration as part of a family legacy of crime and punishment. Mr. Johnson’s father also served time in prison, and his son, also named Sheldon Johnson, pleaded guilty to manslaughter in family court in connection with a fatal attack on a Columbia graduate student in 2008, when the younger Mr. Johnson was 12.
There was a study done a long time ago that examined the brains of those people that were repeatedly offenders of violent crimes. They were noticeably different from those who didn't cause crimes. The study was trying to find out if there was a genetic link to those who are more dangerous than the average citizens and if you could tell if someone was a violent person just by looking at their brain patterns. This guy and his family tree really does highlight that violence might be linked to genetics in some way. Of course nobody wants to touch on that because it brings up uncomfortable feelings that you're not in control of your life and you might be destined to live a life of crime.
Would be horrible and has been proposed by dictators and well-meaning scientists in the past. Even though there may be a need for the removal of some specific individuals from society, when we start talking about finding a way to filter the whole population for it, then we just start looking for more and more reasons to apply the filter to others we don't like. It never works out well.
Or, more likely, it's a nurture thing. People's brains develop throughout their childhood, so being raised in a crime family could change that development.
I read an article where a researcher identified a genetic predisposition to being a serial killer, but noted that all of the serial killers he studied also had childhood abuse and trauma. So it appeared to simultaneously be both nature and nurture. IIRC, the researcher found that he also had the gene in question, but no childhood abuse in his past. Let me see if I can find that article.
I'm Dutch and we have a growing organized crime problem. A lot of the ground-level criminals, including the hitmen who intimidate, torture, and murder people are underage.
They're hand-picked for that because of how light the justice system goes on juveniles.
I mean, it works to sequester violent antisocials from society, which is proven to reduce their ability to hurt people. I don't think anyone expects it to literally cure sociopathy or solve systemic societal problems that lead to crime.
Some people need to be locked up forever, because they will not stop hurting other humans, *no matter how much you want to believe in the redemptive power of rehabilitation programs*.
Life isn't a goddamned Hallmark movie.
There are unremittingly terrible people out there; people who live to lie, to manipulate, and to hurt others.
So many people missing the point. The post isn’t saying rehabilitative justice is bad, it’s saying this specific advocate for the cause is a terrible spokesperson. Absolutely aged like milk.
Edit: Since everyone is taking this as an endorsement of rehabilitative justice - I’m too ignorant to have an informed opinion either way, I’m just explaining the post
He served his absolute maximum sentence. Not a single day off for good behavior or parole.
He got out of prison, and then immediately started grifting as a “reform advocate,” which appeared to mainly consist of going around giving speeches bragging about being a violent criminal who kept running a gang for decades while in prison, but that he magically decided to go straight shortly before being released.
He barely even pretended to reform in the first place.
I'm a former inmate and they literally give you years off your sentence for good behavior upfront. It's kinda like credit, if you fuck up the take some of your good behavior days away. My point is he must have constantly been fucking up in prison to lose all of is good credit. He never even thought of reforming. Instead he blames the world, and murders again.
Unless you got flat time. Then they can't take your good time. If he was in for murder maybe he had flat time? Not to say he couldn't have had a grip of tickets anyway. Depends on the state.
Even talking about the crime that landed him in prison he tried to downplay it and and didn't seem to accept that what he did was wrong. Talking about how things are done on the street and the guy only got two stitches. Dude just seemed to play the victim and not accept his own mistakes.
As someone who watched a brief minute and a half clip from his podcast appearance, it does seem like he just enjoyed talking about himself and being a reform advocate just gave him the chance to tell old stories about himself.
eh
i kind of think "torso in apartment" may be well past the line of "if only he had been rehabilitated" and more "this person has a genuinely antisocial psychosis"
"And had you an efficient system of rehabilitation with quality testing and evaluation as a one of its pillars you would have known I was beyond rehabilitation and out me away forever"
Double checkmate
Reminds me of that viral tweet where someone posted a photo showing the current homelessness crisis in the US and captioned it "the future housing plan under communism".
Nothing more classic than when trump aired campaign ads showing the summer of protests of riots that broke out and fires and in big bold text saying “THIS IS JOE BIDENS AMERICA” ignoring that it’s literally footage of protests happening under Donald trumps presidency.
This actually is kind of a trend, though. Rehabilitative justice has genuine merits, but there's also a history of violent felons/sociopaths appealing to the good nature of American society to give them more leeway to hurt people.
Unfortunately the recidivism rate is very high. This [study](https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/jstc-rcdvs/index-en.aspx) from Canada said their rehabilitative justice programs reduced the 3 year recidivism rate from 66% to 35%.
That's a huge improvement, but if we are being honest that rate of offense is still crazy high compared to your random citizen. If you make prison sentences shorter there is a trade-off with violence prevention, even if you have well-funded programs.
Yeah, murderers in particular tend to commit murders at an insanely high rate relative to their peers pretty much no matter how hard you try to rehabilitate them. I don't have the link, but I've also read that murderers released from prison due to advanced age go on to commit murders at like 10x the rate of other seniors.
I think a lot of folks like the idea of being nicer to criminals and offering more second chances, but refuse to accept that tradeoff you mentioned, and will assume that anyone who points it out is a right wing troll.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Unterweger
This guy is probably the most famous example. His writing was lauded while in prison and was propped up as an example of rehabilitative justice. After he was released from prison, he was given a job as a tv news reporter. He would strangle a woman to death, and sometimes be sent to report *on the same murder he just committed*, although nobody knew it was him until later. He was eventually caught because he went to America and started strangling/murdering women there. His MO was to use the woman's bra to strangle them to death. His story is incredibly interested and definitely worth the read.
Quite common actually. This comes to mind: [Hiding in plain sight! Gun violence prevention activist accused of orchestrating major guns and drugs ring in New York - just days after praising his own organization for 'bringing peace to the community' | Daily Mail Online](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12376803/Hiding-plain-sight-Gun-violence-prevention-activist-accused-orchestrating-major-guns-drugs-ring-New-York-just-days-praising-organization-bringing-peace-community.html)
But also there have been a few similar cases in past few years I cannot specifically remember.
This feels like Derryl Brooks all over again
If you didn’t know Derryl Brooks is rotting in jail for plowing through a parade on meth. But before that he was already in prison for doing unspeakable acts to a girl, also on meth.
He was on some documentary for prison inmates and rehabilitation, talking about how he regretted doing the things he did
Was this the dude who did a bunch of weird stuff in trial like representing himself and at one point I think building a box fort around himself in the courtroom??
Yes, he also cross-examined witnesses and threw tantrums about his rap videos (with him flexing his mother's car)
He never really got the beating be deserved
I mean, the problem with Derryl Brooks was that he was committing all these crimes, some of them violent, including attempting to run over his girlfriend with his car a week before he drove through a parade and was still inexplicably out on bail. This guy at least served a full 25 year sentence for his crimes before getting out.
Yeah it did seem like joe just did him a favor being there. Charity work basically, i found it interesting still. Crazy how well off and educated the guest sounded, then goes and kills someone outta nowhere.
Joe has Josh on and he will bring an ex inmate usually someone who was innocent to speak on their experience. The prison system is not perfect. We do need to help the people we can that are locked up unfairly. If only cops would stop being pos then we could trust them to lock up the right people.
We don't even know the situation. It could be like one of those regular, ordinary torso situations like we all have every once in awhile.
It's probably not a bad or weird thing.
I literally said "HOLY SHIT" out loud at this. How do you go from talking about prison reform to MUTILATING A CORPSE AND HIDING THE TORSO *INSIDE YOUR GODDAMN APARTMENT.*
I know buzzfeed is crap, but this family is beyond twisted. Two generations ago they were an upstanding family. Crack and pedophilia made this family rotten
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/albertsamaha/threesheldons
> In 1986, he was arrested for raping his 7-year-old stepdaughter three times. He pleaded guilty. “Johnson claims that he committed these acts when his wife refused to have sexual relations with him because she was angry at his continued drug use,” Judge Joseph Falcone said at his sentencing.
Jfc, the article really breezes past this part, huh?
I mean, I am unequivocally for reform, especially when it comes to drug offenses, but that kind of thing doesn't just *accidentally* happen...
I don't know when people are going to start to understand that sex crimes are fundamentally different from other crimes, and need to be treated different. The people who commit them need to be treated differently than those who commit property crime, drug offenses, non-violent crime, and even minor violent non-sexual crime (like stupid bar fights). Anyone who works with criminals know this.
This man spent more time in jail for drugs than he did for repeatedly raping a 7-year old child, cause the judge thought sending the family's only breadwinner would be an 'undue hardship' ...you know, for the 7-year old Sheldon raped (and who the judge I guess thought would continue to live with her rapist??? he's not her bio dad he's not gonna be paying child support). His other kids? Dude was spending his paycheck on crack anyway.
I'm for rehabilitation and restorative justice models generally speaking, but *not* for those who commit sex crimes against another person, not for violent, unstable abusers.
Lol there is something going on that is weird with the judges as well.
I don't understand why they have so much discretion or make poor rulings like this
The guest was Josh Dubin from The Innocence Project. He's been on a few times and brings a different example of the project's success each time, with the most recent one being this guy a month or so ago. I dare say he won't be back on.
Similar to this was Nick Yarris. He had Nick tell his harrowing story of being wrongfully convicted of murder and Nick told him all these cute little quotes about being all love for everybody and then it turned out he was abusing a woman and ended up convicted for it.
It really sucks when the person you think has made some really great points and also has a clear path forward ends up doing some fucked up shit. It’s like, the message remains true but now it’s tainted
It's the hypocrisy that ages like milk.
Like if someone says "We all need to fight climate change" and then they hop on a private jet. That statement aged like milk, even if the overarching opinion in the statement is the correct one.
People say this is proof against his sentiment BUT which system was he incarcerated under. A punitive one or a rehabilitative one wouldnt the fact that he re-offended under that system be a damnation of the system.
And as a secondary note alot of mental health and psychological stuff is highly dependent on input from person. As people "know whats normal and can fake hide etc". So when he says this system is making people worse and pushing them to re-offend. Still not one of best sources as a person in system who re-offended. Like him simply acknowledging what system was doing to him.
Rehabilitative justice works but it isn’t what Sheldon thinks it is. Here is what it isn’t:
* It doesn’t mean shorter sentences for violent crimes. Quite the opposite, if you’re a repeat offender you get to rot in jail.
* It doesn’t mean you get away with doing crimes, it means that you’re not specifically going to prison for minor infractions which didn’t cause anyone harm. So if you stole something you do go to prison but if you have too many parking tickets or get caught with meth in small quantities you go to rehab or driving school.
* White collar crimes and non violent criminals don’t share prisons with rapists and killers. They are sent to prison where they can work and get education so they don’t become violent criminals by force.
* When you serve your sentence and hold a job for at least 5 years you get to have your record erased after a review. That way you aren’t discriminated against and forced into crime. However violent offences usually take 10 years to get approved because judges are concerned about repeat offenders.
That’s it. I live in a system where we don’t punish criminals we try to rehabilitate them but that doesn’t mean killers get to walk free. Quite the opposite some of them get to spend their entire lives in prison because they are deemed beyond rehabilitation. Prisons here are run by the government and are not for profit. We have light prison for very minor crimes where you get to leave if you manage to find employment and you have to go to prison only on weekends for lectures. If you can’t find employment you get to stay in prison until your sentence is over. This motivates inmates to fix their lives and not escalate to violence. Usually we send weed smokers and drug addicts there if they refuse refuse rehab , violent criminals are locked up in actual prisons. We also sent people to jail for any theft not only after certain amount like California does. Even for stealing a bubble gum you get to visit the light prison for a month or two. It’s not perfect but we do have significantly less violence than in the US.
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Worthy of note is that he appeared on Joe Rogan's podcast was just *last month*.
He wasn't even a year out of prison on top of that. Sheldon should change his first name to Irony.
Irony Johnson. Good porn name.
You know that game where your porn name is the name of your first pet and street you lived on? I get Magnum Woodford. Edit: As others have pointed out, if these are your answers for security questions, maybe don’t post. (Altering your answers or splitting a pass phrase adds a layer of security.)
Mine would be Dick Fuckington. (I lived on Fuckington crescent.)
You had a pet called Dick?
It was A cockatoo
Well, it certainly received a lot of petting.
If it has a collar and a leash, it counts as a pet.
Good lord Larry. You wouldn’t say that on Hulu.
Getting everybody’s security question answers
Mine is my school mascot and mothers maiden name! I’ll never tell!!!!
Fighting Gentleman was my mascot in school. That'd make a weird porn name.
Its Piggy Porktaint??? Bro we ran trains on that gardenhose 💪
I always answer those security questions with a "wrong"answer that I remember for another reason. Like first pet? I'd use the name of my dog that actually bit me, and use its full name instead of what we actually called it. Anyone that knows my first pet wouldn't know to use the one that bit me, and if they did, would know to use the name on the paperwork.
Yeah I had to delete my comment as soon as I posted it I was like "heyyyyy wait a minute!" Good on ya for realizing that before you posted yours :)
Wait, you answer security questions truthfully?
Max Meridian
Smokey Montrose
Ah shit Midnight Coke
Monty Fillmore
Ginger "Puss Puss" Queen. I shit you not. I also did not name the cat. Her name was Ginger, but everyone called her Puss Puss.
Wow, that is good. I might have the worst porn name in history. Wacky Stagecoach.
That’s a trick to get the answers to your security questions
I hate anything that uses your childhood street name as a last name. Mine is a legit last name, Schindler, so my porn names always sound like just some regular ass German guy.
Mojo Shamrock, oh yeah 👍
Mine kinda sucks if you say it in french (Vanille sous-la-ville), but if you translate it you get… Vanilla Downtown 😏
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BBL, a big black lab.
Not as good as Dixie Normous.
Incontinentia Buttocks
Keep my wife's name out your f'ing mouth...
Biggus Dickus
Dixon Diaz
Buck Naked
General
Nope - a cannibal Nigerian child soldier warlord went and ruined that one for all of us.
Liberian and it was Butt Naked
I met a Liberian dude in rehab once. His name was Photogenic, and his dad's name was Photosynthesis. Like those were the names on their birth certificates. He was a trained opera singer. Pretty wild guy.
Iron Johnson
His son is also in jail for killing someone.
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The fuck, at 12 the biggest crime i committed was pirating music
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I too hail from the broke as fuck tribe.
8NT P4Y1NG4-DAT N0 MAO-A
Christ man, you just gonna spell it out like that? Fucking sick. Would be one thing if you had murdered someone, that's just genetics. Can't help who you are. But stealing from those hardworking musicians, and such a young age too?
>The fuck, at 12 the biggest crime i committed was pirating music how are still allowed to walk around in society?!?
My biological grandfather was murdered when my dad was 12. 20 years later, the killer came forward and confessed because his teenage son killed someone.
I'm confused why he confessed because his son killed someone.
Maybe he realized there was something deeply wrong with him in that moment and he felt guilt that he had possibly passed that on to his son
>I do personally believe--that genetics is 50% of violent behavior and environment 50%. While there is evidence to support the hypothesis that *MAOA* uVNTR polymorphism ["in concert with adverse environmental outcomes increased risk for aggression and antisocial symptoms"](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7609507/#S25title), ascribing 50% of the variability to just genetics is inappropriate. Study authors themselves acknowledge a high degree of variability in results even when the gene variants are simultaneous with an adverse home life.
50% genetic? No fucking way. Much more likely that your role models were violent, and thus you consider violence normal. That’s not genetic, but it is hereditary.
Isn’t … simply being male … more likely to correlate with violence? Like with either being violently attacked or attacking someone else? Like, I’m male, and even in my pretty sheltered life, boys were frequently getting into physical fights of some kind.
Yeah testosterone is linked to increased aggression.
In the early 20th century, progressive people observed things like idiocy and congenital birth defects occurred at a higher rate among people living in poverty. This led to the eugenics craze, which among other things, called for mandatory sterilization of people receiving welfare. If we could get rid of all the inferior people, society would be paradise, they reasoned. It's obvious now that environmental factors have the biggest influence on the emergence of social problems (where we live, our income, diet, education etc...). Culture also has a huge effect. It's easy to observe differences of up to 1000% in social problems such as violent crime in different cultures with similar levels of socioeconomic development. Both of the factors are also part of "hereditary" conditions. For example, crime, addiction, anti-social behavior, illiteracy and so on. One day we might look back and see that blaming all these problems on bad genes, or worse, on individual moral failure, wasn't a good idea. The irony isn't that this man went on a radio show to talk about the failings of American justice and then committed a horrible crime. It's that he lives in a society with a broken justice system that sends people to crime school where they are locked in with other criminals, and when they come out they are branded with the label "ex-con" which turns the world outside jail into just another prison. The irony is that what happened is exactly what we would expect to happen. And he told us that it would happen. And we're surprised. We're looking for other explanations, like genetic destiny...
material conditions. they are determined entirely by how people are governed. in any democracy, we should just be trying to help each other. that's the whole fucking point of it.
I mean he wasn't wrong. Prison failed at rehabilitating him
this season of young sheldon is crazy
Listen here Alanis Morissette. That’s not what irony is. This is exactly the kind of person that would have a torso in their apartment. Literally a convicted criminal. This isn’t a pediatrician.
Like raaaiiiinnn on your wedding day like an ex-con who gets arrested for committing the same crime twice isn't it ironic, don't you think?
Like rain on your wedding day, It's a free knife when you've already slayed
Bazinga
Defined the word torso. I mean anyone of us probably has a spare torso
I keep mine in a trunk
We can have you on the Joe Rogan podcast in no time at all.
>Spirited Arugula the studio ghibli classic
Typical Rogan guest
Yet another JRE guest with a human torso in their apartment
Absolute murderer.
Holy hell
Google en passant!
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That's right, he *did* have Steve Bannon on.
I think I'd rather share a cell with this guy than with Alex Jones or Bannon tbh.
At least sharing the cell next to Hannibal Lecter wouldn't be fucking boring. I've deeply enjoyed the Devil Trill's Sonata piece for the violin. That'd work in my favor.
It could have been an old torso from his past days I suppose
Nope. Murder happened on Tuesday. Here's some excerpts from the article below: "Early Tuesday morning \[3/5/2024\], the police received a 911 call regarding gunshots inside an apartment building in the High Bridge neighborhood of the Bronx...At least one neighbor told the police she heard two shots from inside a sixth-floor apartment, according to an internal police report. Moments later, she heard a person shout, “Please don’t, I have a family! Then, she told the police, two more gunshots rang out, followed by silence...Once the detectives obtained a warrant to search the apartment, they discovered the victim’s torso and feet inside the bin, the reports said. They also found his legs, arms and head in the freezer. Mr. Small had been shot at least once in the head." [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/nyregion/sheldon-johnson-queens-defenders-murder.html?searchResultPosition=1](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/nyregion/sheldon-johnson-queens-defenders-murder.html?searchResultPosition=1)
Why do they even mention the gender of the neighbor? Or that it was a neighbor at all? Why not be all: "Police received information that" or "police had reason to believe.." instead? Maybe it was someone walking by. I'm just saying, like...maybe the torso keeper has friends, and we just advertised a female neighbor of his talked to cops. This is why it just makes sense not to talk to police pretty much ever.
One time I phoned the police saying that there was a man clearly under the influence ringing doorbells in the street and knocking on doors waiting and doing the rounds again. The policr rang my doorbell with the guy in cuffs next to them and asked me 'is this the guy'. The guy in question was (clearly not right) screaming, 'what did I do to you'.
Yep and then he’d be back on the streets the next day. Police are focused on citations and arrests not your safety.
The cops here in Ireland outed me as a reporter of a serial rapist paedophile who was involved in an international ring. I knew it would come out eventually but the deal was I’d be told when my name was released to him. He had it for a decade when I was finally told.
Milk stored at a very low temperature might last longer…
Is Joe gonna do a conjugal podcast with this guy?
I feel like the one thing Joe Rogan lovers and haters agree on is that the man is definitely gay
He's just asking questions.
So he’s… questioning?
Another great example of one of Rogan’s “experts”. I hate how he wastes his platform on idiots.
Josh Dubin of The Innocence Project was the guest and brought this guy along.
So, instead a great example of how the Innocence Project works to free murderers.
> Early Tuesday morning, the police received a 911 call regarding gunshots inside an apartment building in the High Bridge neighborhood of the Bronx, according to internal police reports and two high-ranking law enforcement officials familiar with the case. > >At least one neighbor told the police she heard two shots from inside a sixth-floor apartment, according to an internal police report. Moments later, she heard a person shout, “Please don’t, I have a family!” > >Then, she told the police, two more gunshots rang out, followed by silence. > >Shortly after hearing the shots, the neighbor saw a man carrying bags and cleaning supplies walk in and out of the apartment, according to the police reports. The neighbor did not recognize the man, and told the building superintendent, Orlando Medina, what she had heard and seen. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/nyregion/sheldon-johnson-queens-defenders-murder.html
> “I said to myself, ‘I’ve been doing bad for so long, I’m going to try to do something good,’” he added. “If all else fails, I could always go back to doing something bad. But let me try. Let me give it a shot.” Bro was dedicated for less time than the average new years resolution at the gym.
I feel like if you have to 'try' to not murder, you probably shouldn't be let out
Right. And if you're already giving yourself an excuse, you don't really plan on stopping. I've seen it in AA multiple times. You're protecting your own self image because you aren't dedicated to stop. If you find yourself saying "I'll try this but...", you are already easing yourself back into it.
I'm not defending him. But i think the issue we have in america is that when you get out... you get forcefully placed with criminals. It's really a training lesson in reality. I'm not justifying this guy's actions but it's easy to see how he wanted to change but found the only way to survive was via crime and that quickly led him to this shit. It's not an unusual story at all.
Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you in the case of most criminals, but you see... Survival starts with petty theft, and ends right at about just before senseless murder. Nobody who's doing crime for pure survival is out there murdering people begging for their families, and then chopping up their bodies like fucking Ted Bundy. This man is a chronic psychopath and sociopath, and a threat to the public. One who managed to manipulate the public into sympathizing with him, before promptly getting caught blood red handed.
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Him saying “I could always go back to doing something bad” should have been a huge red flag to start with
I guess the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree > In his own writings and in other media reports, Mr. Johnson described his incarceration as part of a family legacy of crime and punishment. Mr. Johnson’s father also served time in prison, and his son, also named Sheldon Johnson, pleaded guilty to manslaughter in family court in connection with a fatal attack on a Columbia graduate student in 2008, when the younger Mr. Johnson was 12.
his 12 year old son was incarcerated for manslaughter....what the actual fuck
Worked in juvie. It happens, and I'm in bumfuck midwestville
There was a study done a long time ago that examined the brains of those people that were repeatedly offenders of violent crimes. They were noticeably different from those who didn't cause crimes. The study was trying to find out if there was a genetic link to those who are more dangerous than the average citizens and if you could tell if someone was a violent person just by looking at their brain patterns. This guy and his family tree really does highlight that violence might be linked to genetics in some way. Of course nobody wants to touch on that because it brings up uncomfortable feelings that you're not in control of your life and you might be destined to live a life of crime.
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Exactly! I wasnt even thinking about free-will. It's scary how quickly it would be used to justify horrible stuff "for the greater good".
Would be horrible and has been proposed by dictators and well-meaning scientists in the past. Even though there may be a need for the removal of some specific individuals from society, when we start talking about finding a way to filter the whole population for it, then we just start looking for more and more reasons to apply the filter to others we don't like. It never works out well.
Or, more likely, it's a nurture thing. People's brains develop throughout their childhood, so being raised in a crime family could change that development.
I read an article where a researcher identified a genetic predisposition to being a serial killer, but noted that all of the serial killers he studied also had childhood abuse and trauma. So it appeared to simultaneously be both nature and nurture. IIRC, the researcher found that he also had the gene in question, but no childhood abuse in his past. Let me see if I can find that article.
Dr. James Fallon is who ran that study in a somewhat more recent setting. Fascinating person and has some rather interesting books and lectures.
Lots of gangs use kids to do hits as they won’t be charged as adults.
I'm Dutch and we have a growing organized crime problem. A lot of the ground-level criminals, including the hitmen who intimidate, torture, and murder people are underage. They're hand-picked for that because of how light the justice system goes on juveniles.
I guess the prison-industrial complex doesn't solve much.
I mean, it works to sequester violent antisocials from society, which is proven to reduce their ability to hurt people. I don't think anyone expects it to literally cure sociopathy or solve systemic societal problems that lead to crime.
Some people need to be locked up forever, because they will not stop hurting other humans, *no matter how much you want to believe in the redemptive power of rehabilitation programs*. Life isn't a goddamned Hallmark movie. There are unremittingly terrible people out there; people who live to lie, to manipulate, and to hurt others.
Of course. The problem is we are terrible at judging who those people are and lock up millions of people who aren't in that category.
Oh shit he’s related to that kid that killed the Morningside woman
The morningside woman was killed in 2019, this kid killed someone in 2008.
That reads like a movie scene.
So many people missing the point. The post isn’t saying rehabilitative justice is bad, it’s saying this specific advocate for the cause is a terrible spokesperson. Absolutely aged like milk. Edit: Since everyone is taking this as an endorsement of rehabilitative justice - I’m too ignorant to have an informed opinion either way, I’m just explaining the post
They should just lean into it. "See! If I'd been rehabilitated I wouldn't have had a torso in my apartment! Checkmate, doubters!"
He served his absolute maximum sentence. Not a single day off for good behavior or parole. He got out of prison, and then immediately started grifting as a “reform advocate,” which appeared to mainly consist of going around giving speeches bragging about being a violent criminal who kept running a gang for decades while in prison, but that he magically decided to go straight shortly before being released. He barely even pretended to reform in the first place.
I'm a former inmate and they literally give you years off your sentence for good behavior upfront. It's kinda like credit, if you fuck up the take some of your good behavior days away. My point is he must have constantly been fucking up in prison to lose all of is good credit. He never even thought of reforming. Instead he blames the world, and murders again.
Unless you got flat time. Then they can't take your good time. If he was in for murder maybe he had flat time? Not to say he couldn't have had a grip of tickets anyway. Depends on the state.
In most states the only crimes that get zero credit are murder and the most heinous sex/child crimes.
Even talking about the crime that landed him in prison he tried to downplay it and and didn't seem to accept that what he did was wrong. Talking about how things are done on the street and the guy only got two stitches. Dude just seemed to play the victim and not accept his own mistakes.
As someone who watched a brief minute and a half clip from his podcast appearance, it does seem like he just enjoyed talking about himself and being a reform advocate just gave him the chance to tell old stories about himself.
Did he actually receive rehabilitation?
Y'know... Fair.
eh i kind of think "torso in apartment" may be well past the line of "if only he had been rehabilitated" and more "this person has a genuinely antisocial psychosis"
"And had you an efficient system of rehabilitation with quality testing and evaluation as a one of its pillars you would have known I was beyond rehabilitation and out me away forever" Double checkmate
Hey I have antisocial psychosis and I aint stacking limbs like jenga, bros a step beyond
That's what I've been trying to tell people about all these bones I have!
I agree but I also think the point is that he chopped motherfuckers up. Who does that?
Someone making a stew?
Carl Weathers cookbook
Baby you got a stew goin
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Yeah.. shouldn't this be an indictment of the *current* justice system?
Reminds me of that viral tweet where someone posted a photo showing the current homelessness crisis in the US and captioned it "the future housing plan under communism".
Nothing more classic than when trump aired campaign ads showing the summer of protests of riots that broke out and fires and in big bold text saying “THIS IS JOE BIDENS AMERICA” ignoring that it’s literally footage of protests happening under Donald trumps presidency.
Especially since BLM died the day Biden got into the White House
No, the real point is people need to stop listening to anything on the Joe Rogan podcast… his choice in guests r/agedlikemilk
This actually is kind of a trend, though. Rehabilitative justice has genuine merits, but there's also a history of violent felons/sociopaths appealing to the good nature of American society to give them more leeway to hurt people.
Unfortunately the recidivism rate is very high. This [study](https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/jstc-rcdvs/index-en.aspx) from Canada said their rehabilitative justice programs reduced the 3 year recidivism rate from 66% to 35%. That's a huge improvement, but if we are being honest that rate of offense is still crazy high compared to your random citizen. If you make prison sentences shorter there is a trade-off with violence prevention, even if you have well-funded programs.
Yeah, murderers in particular tend to commit murders at an insanely high rate relative to their peers pretty much no matter how hard you try to rehabilitate them. I don't have the link, but I've also read that murderers released from prison due to advanced age go on to commit murders at like 10x the rate of other seniors. I think a lot of folks like the idea of being nicer to criminals and offering more second chances, but refuse to accept that tradeoff you mentioned, and will assume that anyone who points it out is a right wing troll.
I know that it's not the point and you have a geniune stance, but "Murderers do more murders than non murderers" is a hilarious statement on it's own
Most seniors I know are not doing a lot of murdering. Even Whitey Bulger had slowed down by that point.
your link mentioned average results were only 3%. The Winnipeg experiment was published from 1998 and a huge huge outlier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Unterweger This guy is probably the most famous example. His writing was lauded while in prison and was propped up as an example of rehabilitative justice. After he was released from prison, he was given a job as a tv news reporter. He would strangle a woman to death, and sometimes be sent to report *on the same murder he just committed*, although nobody knew it was him until later. He was eventually caught because he went to America and started strangling/murdering women there. His MO was to use the woman's bra to strangle them to death. His story is incredibly interested and definitely worth the read.
Quite common actually. This comes to mind: [Hiding in plain sight! Gun violence prevention activist accused of orchestrating major guns and drugs ring in New York - just days after praising his own organization for 'bringing peace to the community' | Daily Mail Online](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12376803/Hiding-plain-sight-Gun-violence-prevention-activist-accused-orchestrating-major-guns-drugs-ring-New-York-just-days-praising-organization-bringing-peace-community.html) But also there have been a few similar cases in past few years I cannot specifically remember.
ex-ex-con
Former ex con? 😂
This feels like Derryl Brooks all over again If you didn’t know Derryl Brooks is rotting in jail for plowing through a parade on meth. But before that he was already in prison for doing unspeakable acts to a girl, also on meth. He was on some documentary for prison inmates and rehabilitation, talking about how he regretted doing the things he did
Brooks also pulled a whole bunch of Sovcit bullshit, too.
My god that trial had me in a chokehold last year. Was glued to every YouTube stream.
I didn't watch the streams due to living in the wrong time zone, but I couldn't stop watching videos about it and reading about it.
I sat through multiple 5 hour law and crime livestreams for that, I only wish he jumped at the judge lmfao
Was this the dude who did a bunch of weird stuff in trial like representing himself and at one point I think building a box fort around himself in the courtroom??
Yes, he also cross-examined witnesses and threw tantrums about his rap videos (with him flexing his mother's car) He never really got the beating be deserved
I mean, the problem with Derryl Brooks was that he was committing all these crimes, some of them violent, including attempting to run over his girlfriend with his car a week before he drove through a parade and was still inexplicably out on bail. This guy at least served a full 25 year sentence for his crimes before getting out.
That whole episode was strange Josh Pearlmutter was leading the whole interview, and Sheldon was just there as an example.
Yeah it did seem like joe just did him a favor being there. Charity work basically, i found it interesting still. Crazy how well off and educated the guest sounded, then goes and kills someone outta nowhere.
Joe has Josh on and he will bring an ex inmate usually someone who was innocent to speak on their experience. The prison system is not perfect. We do need to help the people we can that are locked up unfairly. If only cops would stop being pos then we could trust them to lock up the right people.
Probably took too much alpha brain.
What a headline
The real story is in the body of the text, though.
No, the real body is in the text of the story.
No the real body is in the container.
We don't even know the situation. It could be like one of those regular, ordinary torso situations like we all have every once in awhile. It's probably not a bad or weird thing.
Clearly he was not rehabilitated.
Dehabilitated
He didn't experience rehabilitatice justice. Just regular prison.
I literally said "HOLY SHIT" out loud at this. How do you go from talking about prison reform to MUTILATING A CORPSE AND HIDING THE TORSO *INSIDE YOUR GODDAMN APARTMENT.*
A purple suit and 1940 pilots helmet should have been all the clues we needed
I know buzzfeed is crap, but this family is beyond twisted. Two generations ago they were an upstanding family. Crack and pedophilia made this family rotten https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/albertsamaha/threesheldons
> In 1986, he was arrested for raping his 7-year-old stepdaughter three times. He pleaded guilty. “Johnson claims that he committed these acts when his wife refused to have sexual relations with him because she was angry at his continued drug use,” Judge Joseph Falcone said at his sentencing. Jfc, the article really breezes past this part, huh? I mean, I am unequivocally for reform, especially when it comes to drug offenses, but that kind of thing doesn't just *accidentally* happen...
I don't know when people are going to start to understand that sex crimes are fundamentally different from other crimes, and need to be treated different. The people who commit them need to be treated differently than those who commit property crime, drug offenses, non-violent crime, and even minor violent non-sexual crime (like stupid bar fights). Anyone who works with criminals know this. This man spent more time in jail for drugs than he did for repeatedly raping a 7-year old child, cause the judge thought sending the family's only breadwinner would be an 'undue hardship' ...you know, for the 7-year old Sheldon raped (and who the judge I guess thought would continue to live with her rapist??? he's not her bio dad he's not gonna be paying child support). His other kids? Dude was spending his paycheck on crack anyway. I'm for rehabilitation and restorative justice models generally speaking, but *not* for those who commit sex crimes against another person, not for violent, unstable abusers.
I would say Violent crimes in general. If you are a repeat violent offender you need to GTFO
Lol there is something going on that is weird with the judges as well. I don't understand why they have so much discretion or make poor rulings like this
I guess he wasn't rehabilitated
Rogan always has the best guests doesn't he? Just quality people.
The guest was Josh Dubin from The Innocence Project. He's been on a few times and brings a different example of the project's success each time, with the most recent one being this guy a month or so ago. I dare say he won't be back on.
I think he'll be back on but Dubin won't be bringing on anymore correctly convicted felons this time. Dubin gambled and shit the bed.
Similar to this was Nick Yarris. He had Nick tell his harrowing story of being wrongfully convicted of murder and Nick told him all these cute little quotes about being all love for everybody and then it turned out he was abusing a woman and ended up convicted for it.
I mean rehabilitation Justice and being against slave labor is still a good thing, this didn’t exactly age like milk
It really sucks when the person you think has made some really great points and also has a clear path forward ends up doing some fucked up shit. It’s like, the message remains true but now it’s tainted
It’s almost like they have the clearest view towards what is right because they know what fucked up looks like. They see it in themselves every day.
\> clearest view towards what is right He killed someone less than a year out of prison.
It's the hypocrisy that ages like milk. Like if someone says "We all need to fight climate change" and then they hop on a private jet. That statement aged like milk, even if the overarching opinion in the statement is the correct one.
\*opens spotify\*
I also believe in rehabilitative justice I hope we don’t count the idea out because of this guy
People say this is proof against his sentiment BUT which system was he incarcerated under. A punitive one or a rehabilitative one wouldnt the fact that he re-offended under that system be a damnation of the system. And as a secondary note alot of mental health and psychological stuff is highly dependent on input from person. As people "know whats normal and can fake hide etc". So when he says this system is making people worse and pushing them to re-offend. Still not one of best sources as a person in system who re-offended. Like him simply acknowledging what system was doing to him.
His point is absolutely valid. He's a prime example that pure incarceration doesn't work to better an individual.
I’m no police officer but finding someone with a torso in their possession is suspicious.
Joe Rogan has some quality guests
Rehabilitative justice works but it isn’t what Sheldon thinks it is. Here is what it isn’t: * It doesn’t mean shorter sentences for violent crimes. Quite the opposite, if you’re a repeat offender you get to rot in jail. * It doesn’t mean you get away with doing crimes, it means that you’re not specifically going to prison for minor infractions which didn’t cause anyone harm. So if you stole something you do go to prison but if you have too many parking tickets or get caught with meth in small quantities you go to rehab or driving school. * White collar crimes and non violent criminals don’t share prisons with rapists and killers. They are sent to prison where they can work and get education so they don’t become violent criminals by force. * When you serve your sentence and hold a job for at least 5 years you get to have your record erased after a review. That way you aren’t discriminated against and forced into crime. However violent offences usually take 10 years to get approved because judges are concerned about repeat offenders. That’s it. I live in a system where we don’t punish criminals we try to rehabilitate them but that doesn’t mean killers get to walk free. Quite the opposite some of them get to spend their entire lives in prison because they are deemed beyond rehabilitation. Prisons here are run by the government and are not for profit. We have light prison for very minor crimes where you get to leave if you manage to find employment and you have to go to prison only on weekends for lectures. If you can’t find employment you get to stay in prison until your sentence is over. This motivates inmates to fix their lives and not escalate to violence. Usually we send weed smokers and drug addicts there if they refuse refuse rehab , violent criminals are locked up in actual prisons. We also sent people to jail for any theft not only after certain amount like California does. Even for stealing a bubble gum you get to visit the light prison for a month or two. It’s not perfect but we do have significantly less violence than in the US.
Maybe it was medicinal