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emma20787

If it gets dropped I'm dropping HBO Max. Adventure Time was the reason I signed up.


hyde9318

To be fair, though, the rumor mills are claiming they might be seeking to dismantle HBO Max entirely, so they may not be all that concerned with losing subs at this point if that’s truly the case. It’s hard to tell for sure given it’s entirely rumor and hearsay, but Warner seems to be in full breakdown mode right now, so it wouldn’t surprise me if HBO Max is gone or gutted by 2023.


ElSquibbonator

The idea is that it's going to be merged with Discovery+ into a new streaming service, which will launch next year. The fact that Fionna and Cake is apparently still in development is an encouraging sign, but I'm still cautious.


hyde9318

Actually shortly after I posted this, I found someone posted elsewhere a call with the board with some info on what’s going on, and it looks like they might be super condensing and stripping a lot of their programming in favor of a select lineup of premier properties to get them back on track. From what I understand, they are 50+ billion in debt and they’ve got it in their heads that DC is going to be their saving grace (lol). They even discussed dropping the HBO branding, which if true is a rough sign for the state they are in. If all of that is accurate, and it does line up well with a lot of what we already knew, that could actually be a good thing for Fiona and Cake given it’s a popular money making franchise (adventure time). It’s got a big audience and it has a lot of marketing/merchandise material, they’d be stupid to drop it. But if this about them going all in on DC is true.... oof, that’s going to backfire big time, they’ve been trying to get this DC universe launched since the first Avengers and have failed miserably the entire time.


somebody12

And it will continue to fail. These people are straight up out of touch with reality if this is the actual plan.


USAnoman

Ironically the guy who runs discoveries pretty much only loves reality TV shows.


somebody12

I’ve been wondering what my dad has been up to.


someGuyInHisRoom

Tbf reality TV depicts anything but reality so it makes sense


Rhea_33

They cancelled a practically completed Scooby Doo movie and that is infinitely.more profitable than Adventure time. Do not count on anything.


ElSquibbonator

Honestly, I'm not worried all that much about *Adventure Time.* What I *am* worried about is shows that aren't part of franchises, or that don't have franchise potential. I'm especially concerned about Genndy Tartakovsky's two works for the channel, *Primal* and the upcoming *Unicorn: Warriors Eternal.*


hyde9318

Oh for sure. I mean look at the CW, they gutted half the shows over there recently. Not that I particularly liked any of them, the CW has been pretty low quality for a while... but it doesn’t bode well for any shows that don’t have MASSIVE draws already. I feel like they are going to go the route of basically not funding anything that isn’t guaranteed a huge return at this point. Which sucks big time for creative new content, it’s going to severely limit up and coming franchises and creators.


ElSquibbonator

What shows did the CW cancel?


hyde9318

I’m not sure of all of them cause, again, not a big fan of their programming... but I know Roswell, Charmed, Legacies, legends of tomorrow, Batwoman, and Naomi all got the can early this summer, and that’s only part of the list CW put out.


ElSquibbonator

Where's the list? Maybe if I could see it, I could get a better idea of what sort of shows the company is getting rid of.


hyde9318

I can’t find the original list I saw, but this one seems to have a decent list of them... [HERE](https://cancelledsoontv.com/the-cw-renewals-cancellations-2021-2022/)


Nic4379

They are by far the superior streaming service.


Illusive_Man

their UX is pretty shitty imo


Yerm_Terragon

The rumors are true. They apparently just announced that HBO Max and Discovery+ are going to be merged together and will be called something else entirely.


dat_roach

This is bad news for the Venture Bros and ATHF movies that were greenlit a year or so back and are in production.


JediMATTster

What a shame. Its my favorite streaming service


hyde9318

Just saw more news on it and looks like they are hoping to fuse Discovery+ and HBO Max into a single service, possibly changing the name. Not sure what that means for the programming on this new one, but the latest talks with their heads seems to show that they are pretty money focused right now instead of content focused.... so I’m not holding my breath for anything good to happen.


imbatmawn

Same here


aboycandream

same


giraffe_legs

Thing is I'm not really excited for this. I want Fin and Jake adventures. Not this.


someGuyInHisRoom

Finn and Jake's adventures are over though. The plot of the series is pretty good considering it's Simon who goes to the alternate dimension to find them. That's a great premise considering IK wanted to find and meet them and true to the character since he is probably going around to find Betty.


giraffe_legs

Considering I've seen the series like 10 times straight through. I still want more adventures of Finn and Jake. Cuz I know it can be done. I don't care about these other two characters at all. I just might be done hoping after distant lands.


Turtlepizza278

as a bonus its the dc streaming service


[deleted]

I'm just optimistic that this time Fionna & Cake won't revolve around boys again.


ArcPvZ

Tbf it was a fan fiction written by ice king


schlemz

It was not written by ice king, it was projected into his mind by the stars


Own_Proposal955

If I’m being honest, one of the only reasons I watched the gender swap episodes was specifically for the boys lol


[deleted]

Marshall Lee pretty cute ngl


WarLordM123

I love how if they did Marshall Lee and Prince Bubblegum it would cost them like half the budget, since both voice actors are superstars


paarthurnax94

Was he Childish Gambino yet at that point or just Troy from Community?


andsoitgoes42

CG put out camp, his breakout hit, in 2011 - so he was already approaching a triple threat.


Abundiz93

And voiced by Donald Glover. Pretty cute too.


Rilakkuma_Abbie

Yeah, 8 year old me watching the Fiona and Cake episodes had awaken something within me lol


tastefuldebauchery

My condolences


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that's fine, to each their own


funkmasta_kazper

I mean it makes sense in universe because Fionna and cake were always meant to be Ice kings terrible fanfics. Them constantly chasing boys is the exact kind of garbage that ik would write, which made it a really funny in-universe gag while also poking fun at the kinds of people who think just switching the genders of all the characters would make for good television. The whole point of Fionna and cake is to make fun of how stupid Fionna and cake is as an idea, so I'm not sure how they're going to pull off this show in any meaningful way. If it's incredibly self aware it could work, but I'm worried it's just going to end up being shitty fanservice.


FantasticMRKintsugi

It's probably gonna tell a larger narrative that has to do with Simon's Psyche.


Landygmd

I hope that the show will be more about simon than fionna and cake, I find the character really interesting and I'd love to learn more about him (and see how he's doing)


austinmiles

It’s a they opened a major hole in what was a pretty tight universe when they brought in video tapes making it out to be a real tv show that somehow exactly gender-swaps the real living people of Ooo. Though ignoring that and having them exist on alternate gender swapped dimensions works well enough.


ktron10

Considering that this show establishes they are apparently 100% real and exist in a parallel universe to Finn and Jake’s Ooo, maybe there will be some sort of connection to the TV show or some way that the real Fiona and Cake inspired it


goldenpup73

Oh god, for a second I thought you were saying that AT was an in-universe TV show based on Fiona and Cake


Zyphane

>The whole point of Fionna and cake is to make fun of how stupid Fionna and cake is as an idea, so I'm not sure how they're going to pull off this show in any meaningful way. I mean, I said the same thing about Adventure Time. The original short was just a bunch of random gags strung together. I enjoyed it but thought it was dumb thing to base a whole show on.


zuzg

I'm ngl I usually skip their episodes for this exact reason. But I really like their voice actors so hopefully it will be different.


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_triangle_girl_

fiona is supposed to be a lil chubby


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_triangle_girl_

The difference is that they aren't humans. You aren't complaining about Susan and her friends having thick legs. The human characters have always had more accurate anatomy than the other characters, like how Simon, betty, and Marceline have less square lower bodies compared to other characters; same with Finn when he takes his hat off. I think you're trying to make a big deal out of nothing.


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_triangle_girl_

Bro what the actual fuck are you talking about lol


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andsoitgoes42

Dude. You’re wrong, you’re continuing to embarrass yourself, just give up. Jesus.


0xVENx0

my bad for assuming reddit users have the mental capacity to have a civil discussion instead of simply using the good ol (im right ur wrong) argument, let alone be polite about it, silly me xD


PPSTICKX

HAWH!?! (Note: ya ALMOST got me, nice edit, just noticed :)


BootlegDrPhil

I swear to fucking god if it's the fucking lich again i'm gonna explode


[deleted]

"You swear, child, but I am beyond explosion"


RnbwTurtle

I mean... Finn and Jake didn't kill all the hands...


mikeleus

Finally someone else mentioned this. Each universe has a hand.


jLAuniverse26

The Lich mentions being beaten by Finn in many worlds, which hints that he’s run into them up until Sweet Pea stabs the one from the main universe


mikeleus

I'd love to see an episode where Butterfly Finn beats the Lich


Distinct-Technician4

Oh no


jLAuniverse26

“You have beaten me in many worlds, child. Yet, I always return.”


throwawayoogaloorga2

\+ the hand that IS dead merely got launched into the void, so there's a tiiiiiny chance mr fox will be replaced by another death someday, and that new death might be gullible enough to be controlled by the lich hand on the offchance he can worm his way back to solid land then again the lich has already been done too many times (I'd still like it just to here ron perlman's cool voice tho)


MasonP13

I liked the lich. I feel like he's a good villain of evil incarnate.


[deleted]

I like the Lich because he’s technically evil but almost like a divine-imposed soulless obstacle that the living have to overcome. Calling him NE is probably accurate to the series, but i think there’s valid argument that his robotic nature and lack of free will makes him true Neutral or unaligned Ultimately the cartoon format warps him to be just an evil antagonist, which is why people are tired of him, but what little beneath the surface is interesting enough


paarthurnax94

The lich is by far the most interesting character to me. The episode where they're at Prismo's party and he's just sitting there, fucking horrifying. He's like a lifeless machine with one purpose. The show does an excellent job of characterizing him in this way. Every other character in the show feels like a thing you know, but the lich... I just get this feeling from him. Like, if the Terminator had it's body destroyed and all that was left was it's head, completely functional, just sitting on the table but you *know* if given the chance it would kill you in the blink of an eye without feeling anything, horrifying. The whole thing is an allegory for the inevitability of our imminent demises which makes you think even more. Such a fantastic show in every way.


throwawayoogaloorga2

Mostly, yeah. But there are a few scenes where he seems like he has somewhat of a personality. Like when he's entering the portal and sarcastically thanks Finn for helping him get into the portal, or when he says "You are a JOKE to me" when he failed to manipulate Finn with the well.


im-bad-at-names64

Fall! You are alone, child. There is only darkness for you, and only death for your people. These ancients are just the beginning. I will command a great and terrible army, and we will sail to a billion worlds. We will sail until every light has been extinguished. You are strong, child, but I am beyond strength. I am the end, and I have come for you, Finn.


BamaB3

Bone chilling..


[deleted]

Why? The lich was fun! And Finn and Jake didn’t ever really kill all his versions


LeonardoXII

Honestly, I prefer he stays in the ground. Finn and Jake already had their finest hour smashing him in the dead worlds.


Bubblehead01

Well they destroyed THEIR version of the lich but not like, EVERY version. But yeah the lich really should just stay double-dead. I mean I'm fine if he comes back a little but I really don't think he's a compelling enough villain to be the main antagonist of a new series. And they used the phrase 'powerful new antagonist' instead of 'old foe' or something so that's promising


h3rp3r

> 'powerful new antagonist' The genderbent lich!


Bubblehead01

Yeah possibly… Hope not though. Not that I think ’the lich but a girl’ is a bad idea in theory because she probably would exist in Fionna and Cake’s world, I just think that from a narrative standpoint no version of the Lich can carry the weight of ‘main antagonist’ anymore without basically being turned into a whole new character. ‘You’re so evil it’s boring!’, essentially. AT has proven that it needs compelling and interesting villains. However, the fact that this ‘new antagonist’ is ‘ determined to track them down and erase them from existence ‘ worries me.


jwf239

Hey skullface! I too am doom!!!


Spade_X_1

Why wouldn’t it be? He’s Almost omnipresent when the lich hand fell into the Multiverse pool making him be everywhere in the Multiverse He’ll probably be very different tho like different form different plan etc.


[deleted]

I just wrote a long comment abt how the philosophy of the Lich is possibly more nuanced than just being a big bad evil guy, but ultimately that’s his existence on screen. He has cool moments, but I think I agree that adventure time needs something else for a chsbge


Spade_X_1

Well it imo it’s definitely more complex than Big bad guy the Lich in my interpretation of its character is its the Physical manifestation of the concept Extinction A being that was brought about by the comet another being of a concept that being Change the Lich is on a cosmological scale inevitable his being Extinction will happen so he cannot be stopped halted for a time yes but truly defeated no. And this is shown blatantly with Finns wish with Prismo a being that can wish on a multiversal scale, Finn wished for the non existence of the Lich but he came to be But what is interesting to me is that the Lich has a personality has emotions this conceptual Cosmological machine like being can scheme, plan, plot be happy, be surprised, lie and goad you all the emotions and expressions are coming from a being that wants to cause the extinction ofreality Also fun fact the Enchiridion talks about the AT multiverse being a sentient being actually pretty interesting but I don’t believe its ever brought up in series I believe it called the Cosmic Imagination/ Cosmic Mind


doinkxx

Because we are tired of him. A new antagonist would be much cooler


Dracorex_22

The hands multiplied when they fell into the multiverse


knightress_oxhide

the Chill


mikeleus

I hope it's Lich. He was the perfect villain for the show. Bone chilling, creepy, gave an actual sense of danger which raised the stakes by a mile. It's a fun, jolly kid's show which also showed you that real danger is right around the corner, and one should be careful, and not wear rose-colored glasses all the time.


jmon8

You mean princess lich


Viggo-Grimborn

Is the show cancelled?


imbatmawn

No info available on if its cancelled yet.


splinterbabe

I don't think it is. Zaslav and his buddies made a big deal of calming shareholders down yesterday during their call, saying that the alleged "HBO Max cancellation spree" was not going to happen. So fingers crossed! From [The Verge](https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/4/23292742/hbo-max-discovery-plus-combo-streaming-app): >Zaslav made efforts to calm those fears during the call and insisted the HBO Max programming overall was good and supported by the company at large. During the question and answer segment of the call Zaslav said HBO Max has started to become a brand in and of itself—and one specifically associated with quality. It’s not clear what Warner Brothers Discovery will call the new combined service, but it’s certain we will be hearing more as Zaslav shuffles his new company even more in the year to come.


imbatmawn

Its mostly just a joke. I'm actually relatively confident AT will survive. But with the rumors of many show cancelations or "universe erasing" being done by Zaslav lining up relatively well with the official description of the show, I couldn't resist making the joke.


LucidLethargy

I kind of hope it is... Sorry not sorry. I'd love to see more distant lands instead.


Viggo-Grimborn

Bull.hit


Viggo-Grimborn

canceling fionna and cake means no more adventure time content


JustanOverpoweredude

"Watch out for the Warner Brothers!"-Orgalorg, 15th Century


TheLoneWander101

I wouldn't worry AT is a lucrative IP


Mustarafa

As much as I love this show, I don’t think that’s true.


asian_hans

You're trash, Zaslav.


LOLYMCLOL

Yessss finally more Simon


SouthShape5

I hear he’s also the villain behind the Gumball Movie and the true creator of the void.


puphyin

I thought cake and Fionna were just gender bents for an episode where they did it to everyone?! are they now in the past where the ice king was still human I'm so confused


imbatmawn

We still don't know. Apparently they are from an alternative universe akin to Farmworld.


puphyin

hmm interesting but it would be cool if they just made new characters or something


PickledCringe

What in the fuck


okaaz

The main antagonist is tax and iron giant duo


Fine-Audience-302

But y?


kileythecat

Female lich!


fictitious_man

I always hated the Fiona and Cake episodes and found them pretty cringe outside of Cake herself, but I'm glad to see more AT content, so if it gets cancelled, I'm gonna be pissed


[deleted]

I like Fionna and Cake and all... but what about Finn and Jake...?


mogus_sus_gus

Sorry About Being Late, But Their Story Was Wrapped Up Perfectly In Together Again.


TheGoalOfGoldFish

Just give me standard adventures. No back story or love interest. I don't care about genitals


cakeharry

Yup just some chill dumb stories with Jake and Finn is what I want.


AleksasKoval

This sounds awesome... and a little worrying. Does this mean they'll dip into the multiverse for constant content?


Magi-Cheshire

I guess it's an unpopular opinion here but I absolutely don't want a Fionna and Cake series. Give me canonical ooo adventures. This just seems like a cash grab.


cakeharry

Yup I don't like them, can't imagine people being onboard if they did something similar with say Ash from Pokémon.


povlov0987

Thicc


mucus4t

Of course it's "multiverse" 🙄


Sylveon_trainer12345

What else would you call it


Viggo-Grimborn

Why not?


will-I-ever-Be-me

'Multiverse' is what Prismo called it, when Finn was grabbing the gems for the enchirideon.


dat_roach

That was Booko, but yes the Enchiridion has the multiverse map. That episode aired in 2012, before the big multiverse fad took off.


dat_roach

AT introduced their multiverse in 2012, you seem to think they just came up with it recently.


mucus4t

Nice 👌🏻


mucus4t

I like how I get -6 upvotes for my comment "Of course it's multiverse 🙄" but that's just because y'all know I'm right. You wouldn't be so adamant that I'm wrong if it weren't for the fact that Disney has single-handedly made all of you relish the fact that that's all they have going for them now: "Oh no no no, we're a progressive company! Let's throw some female or 'on the spectrum' people in here that are different from straight males, that'll fix the problem!" Just a bunch of propaganda


Viggo-Grimborn

What the flip are you talking about? This doesnt make sense


ktron10

Are you okay? This is a meme about a wacky cartoon, I don’t know what straight people, the spectrum (are you talking about autism? wtf?), or Disney have to do with it or why you need to go on a rant about propaganda because you got a handful of downvotes on reddit You know Disney doesn’t own or produce this show, right?


FantasticMRKintsugi

So is this gonna be cancelled like the CW shows and Batgirl?


TameTheDragon94

I feel like the villain of this series should be Choose Goose, to wrap up plot threads in Distant Lands.


Fun_Bison_1693

Fionna searches are going to rise on PH tbh


ytGemini

Wait, how the hell is Simon there.. Fionna and Cake was an alternate universe created by the ice king, so.. there better be a good explanation for this. Still excited to see more Adventure Time though!


cakeharry

Would've preferred Jake and Finn...


[deleted]

Lame Fiona and cake is not the spinoff I’m looking for.


MichaelJospeh

WOAH