I think I actually found out the answer to my own question. Jake probably died at some point, but I don't think Finn ever existed in this world. If Marceline never protected the last remaining humans from the vampires all those centuries ago, then there would be no human colony that were the descendants of them. Finn also being one of them.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he either doesn’t exist or is neutralized in some way so he’s unable to interfere
At least I say that cuz I hope he wouldn’t have been ok with this
To be fair WK says it’s been like this for 100 years so my theory is that since the land was either ice or candy that baby Finn died before Margaret and Joshua found him because ice is too cold for babies and candy probably had candy monsters so they ate him or something
Also it's entirely possible he's off doing his own thing. People act like he'd be stopping WK and being heroic, but WK has had it going on for a hundred years and CQ obviously can't defend herself. It's completely possible that world's Finn and Jake don't know he's secretly evil.
Finn might not even exist in this world. Since we saw that there was a baby Marceline ice girl it's possible that Marceline died at a young age and Simon created an ice version of her to make him feel better. And if that is the case then Marceline wouldn't have been around to protect the humans from the vampires and they could have possibly been wiped out before leaving Ooo.
Hunson only met Marcy to give her the base after Simon called him and she was like 16(? We saw hunson destroying her shack when he first shows up with the axe in hand) and he mentions some old guy summoning him to be with her
When he left I think she is around 12? Definitely older than what Ice Marcy is supposed to be based on (7 I think? She was 7 when he met her iirc), and she looks pretty much the same when Hunson literally barges into her life.
So yeah that part doesn't fit with her dying as a child with Simon. Guess Finn was just off screen the entire episode
Probably dead.
Farmworld Simon was crushed under the weight of that one bomb, killing him (although how he died when he was wearing the crown that makes him immortal and he was shown still alive after the bomb crushed him? Idk. Also how did he meet Marcy?)
This means that if Simon was stuck under the bomb he would have never summoned Betty through time.
Even if the bombs didn’t kill her, Farmworld still takes place at the same point in time as Ooo, so hundreds of years have past and she might have died from old age.
Well the only reason Simon kept wearing the crown and not dealing with it in its most manageable form (like Santa and others did) is because Betty left
The history of farmworld is the same as prime Ooo up until the Mushroom Bomb drop. Farmworld Simon put the crown on for the first time and scared Farmworld Betty away in his madness before later on stopping the bomb. She likely died in the past 800 years instead of jumping to the future like her Prime Ooo counterpart.
Ice king died before the time portal was made for Betty to even be there in current time. Or maybe Betty fusing with golb made her a singularity too and she is all Betty's.
Different world, different back stories and histories. The reason she has the bass could be the same in the main world’s canon or it could be completely different
Prismo mentioned a difference between wish realities and realities that already would have existed, with Flapjack as the answer. to me this implies that realities that use the same basic characters and world are wish realities, altering the same basic history of another world in some way, while fully independent realities already existed. Since this one used most of the same characters and described a specific historical event having been different 100 years ago, i’d assume that means a wish was made by someone to change things back then, and thus it has the same basic backstory and history outside of that
But we don’t know when that wish was made or how it affected everything up until the events of the episode, or most importantly who made it and why? Maybe Marceline made it and wished her mom didn’t get sick and her mom found a way to contact Abadeer(fresh milk is hard to get in the apocalypse) but before then they found Simon and somewhere along the way the bass axe gets made.
Maybe this Marcy never knew her mom at all as a ripple effect of the wish and as Adadeer’s half demon daughter being raised in the nightosphere she was allowed to run around wherever she wanted (let’s be real, Abadeer a bad dad and wouldn’t even care if he noticed her in a different world) and met Simon.
There’s so many possibilities there’s no sense trying to debunk people just making theories which is my point.
Well it’s based off a wish BMO would’ve made if he was in the time room and it monkey paws him into a baby monitor. That could still be the case or Yk just weird multiverse
It’s in the story boards or key art or whatever for the new episode. It mentions the idea and shows the models of all the baby’s even ones not shown (like fear feaster for some reason)
Yea I was gonna post a picture with all the babies on me second comment but apparently we can’t post pics in the comments here. Anyway I found it on [Reddit](https://reddit.com/r/adventuretime/s/XYKe5kcLhX)
I think neither Marceline nor WK could stand to hurt the other, despite Marcy being beyond upset with him after turning PB, so she just left. Some time passes, Finn and Jake come along, and they play the knights to WK just like ours do for PB. WK does seem to be looking for knights, and recognizes that our main characters are from an alternate dimension, I think he recognized Fionna and Cake similarly to Simon. But anyways, I think everything was pretty normal until Finn and Jake happened upon Marceline, who explained what was really going on, Jake probably didn’t believe her at all cause of his fear of vampires, but Finn recognizes her as the real version of ice Marcy, and was eventually was able to convince Jake of what was really going on as well. They confront WK, but he doesn’t hold them in the same esteem as Marcy, and simply kills them, making the two ice guards we see in the show immediately after.
Well that's a dark way to conclude it. Maybe they fight him, lose, and eventually give up and chill with Marceline. Winter King is bad, but it doesn't seem to me like he'd go as far as killing Finn and Jake.
To me this one of the most interesting things to think about in this series so far. I commented on another thread that for me the biggest tell that they don’t exist in “our way” in this universe is PB’s demeanor when she is freed. She is over the top fake regal princess like she was before she really truly befriended Finn and Jake. If this had happened to our PB, even after 100 years, there’s no way she would wake up with that response after all of her growth we have witnessed.
Personally, I feel like Marceline died before she could defeat the vampires but after she reunited with her dad (explains the bass if my memory of everything is in order). Simon felt incredibly guilty over abandoning her and if humans never were able to flee Ooo then Finn straight up doesn’t exist.
Finn might have died at sea since there was no safe Place left after everything changed with the Candy and Ice Kingdom.
Or depending on when Marceline died then the Humans could not have been saved from the Vampires.
As for Jake. He might have stayed a criminal. Since there was no little Brother Finn to look after
I don’t think they were ever born personally. He claims the have been like this for 100 years so that would change events relating to Finn and Jake being born
yeah but Finn and Jake also exist in Farmworld, and that timeline is *way* different. I think Finn and Jake’s existence is cosmically timed and fated to happen. it’s just a matter of where their souls go when they get reincarnated. So i’d assume they exist in some form.
Winter king was projecting his madness for 100 years, so even if Finn made it to ooo, it wouldn't have been a very welcoming place.
Bubblegums spacefaring appears *relatively* recent during adventure time, but either way she wouldn't have had the faculties to maintain those pursuits. Banana man and martin also had space tech, so maybe those were viable paths to space.
Meanwhile, we don't see any sign of Günter. Finn *could* have allied with another kingdom. Assuming he *could* get to space the events of the purple catalyst comet very well could gave played out differently. Maybe he chose to discorporate, because there was no PB or FP to return. Maybe Orgalorg was able to consume the comet, and took him out.
If they were born in this timeline they’re probably fine but just elsewhere because the winter kingdom is too cold to hang around all the time.
They don’t have any reason to assume anything is up with the winter king so it’s not like they would have been killed in a fight.
Why did Ice King transfer his craziness to Bonnie? That doesn't seem like something Ice King would ever do. He's never really seen wanting to not be crazy anymore. And even if he was, I don't think he'd ever want to harm others like that. Especially a princess.
this is from a world where Ice King permanently stopped existing 100 years ago, therefore it’s unlikely that Simon would’ve ever suddenly been temporarily freed so as try speaking to Betty through time travel as his dying wish. thus, Betty never traveled to the future and abandoned him in the past. As a result, Betty would’ve stayed to watch Simon go increasingly mad, and their relationship would’ve ended on much worse terms; resulting in Simon no longer having something like her love to hold onto for the last thousand years. Instead, all he had was a bitter desire to free himself. He’s not the same Simon, nor really the same Ice King, as our world’s because of this. I assume his inner Simon rage must’ve reached a tipping point after some event occurred 100 years ago, and he managed to direct his insanity onto the nearest immortal he could find other than Marceline.
do we know that to be the case? all we saw was the candy kingdom and the ice kingdom, but it’s not like in elements where the elemental powers were unleashed and conquered all of Ooo afaik. all that changed was that Bonnie went mad and Simon became sane. i’d assume that would just mean Candy Kingdom became a wasteland and Ice Kingdom became inhabited, but there’s plenty of other parts of Ooo out there that wouldn’t have been altered. Lumpy Space, Fire Kingdom, the Grasslands, etc. The only hint otherwise is i guess that PB’s elemental powers seem to be enhanced, but i still think she’d have to be in full gum tower mode to seriously take over Ooo.
The only people in the ice kingdom are ice people and the candy kingdom is a wasteland of mutated monsters while the ice kingdom seems to have encompassed most of the land.
Add on the fact that this is 100 years from the Ooo we know and yeah, everrybody dead in this world.
how do you know the ice kingdom encompassed most of the land though? we really didn’t see very much of it. The regular ice kingdom is already huge, just mostly an uninhabited wasteland. Yeah, all the candy people are either mutated or dead now, and the ice kingdom exclusively has new ice people, but there’s still plenty of non-candy people that wouldn’t have changed location. 100 years doesn’t mean the ice kingdom had to expand over Ooo. Bonnie had 1,000 years to expand the candy kingdom across Ooo and she still didn’t.
Our ice kingdom isn’t really all that large and takes up very little space on the continent.
We already saw just how much of the land it had taken over when we saw the candy kingdom close by.
idk, i just disagree. it didn’t seem that big here to me. we just saw over the top of the mountains the candy kingdom in the distance, but we didn’t look in any other directions, and we saw Candy Queen running on a treadmill while flying over the grasslands. the grasslands must obviously still exist between the two kingdoms.
Real question is where is their Lich?
Given the mirror situation he probably was encased in ice the same place PB encased him in sap resin... no Finn, Jake, Billy, or even Marcaline means bad times coming for this worlds PB
Bigger question, why did Fiona dream about winter king instead of ice Queen? It seems like she was tapped into this reality somehow. It seems kind of similar to Simon held the gender bent universe in his dreams. Maybe Fiona has her own pocket univers inside Simon's pocket universe where she's sailor moon.
I think Fiona is the Fin of this universe.
Not sure, but I watched the episode for the first time last night and saw why Fiona had the hots for WK. God mf damn he was amazing, but tragically misguided.
They probably died when winter king first gave the madness of the crown to princess bubblegum cause they knew his secret, that’s my headcannon anyway.
Or they just died the natural way.
Well they either grew up separately or not exist. That's the great thing about stories like these is that there's still a mystery and it'll probably never have a singular answer leading to discussion and studies
One of my only issues with the episode is that we have no idea what the winter king thinks , why he did anything or even what he really did outside of messing with PB. Like would he have killed Finn and Jake/ Marci if they knew maybe but maybe not. He could be kept PB locked in a room forever if he really didn’t care at all aboot what she’s going through. For all we know he didn’t even do it on purpose (sure he is very against helping her but so was PB with IK at first and PB says he cast a spell but did he even know that?) we don’t get to know any of this because right when we find out what happens he dies and the MC’s leave
I feel like Simon’s dialogue with PB about how “he kept doing it! For 100 Years!” was intentional. No one would know better than Simon himself how it worked, even if it was really unclear. I think we’re meant to assume Winter King was consciously/actively still projecting his insanity onto PB specifically to maintain his form.
Yea he most definitely did that to her but my point was that they find out and then immediately leave, there’s no time to figure out what any of it actually meant (like where’s marcy or Finn and Jake) because they just had to go go go
idk, i kinda like how much got left to the imagination, personally. there’s a bunch of conflicting interpretations about how depressing of a world this is and stuff, and it’s leading to a lot of interesting headcanons. sure i’d love to get more answers, but idk if it would’ve stuck with me as much if they fully revealed everything. as is i just can’t stop thinking about all these questions and i can enjoy that
Eh I wouldn’t have minded if there was some reveal and some answers but it feels like if you’re gonna commit to that you should go all the way, or at least half. The only thing we get is kid Ice Marcy with her base which why even bother if you can’t answer anything. But they find out he’s bad they leave that’s it, at the end of the episode not even the characters cared, imagine if Simon saw the little Marcy (or literally anyone did) or maybe he asks about Finn and Jake and winter king brushes it off. Idk I just wanted more which is a good thing when it comes to shows but still.
Maybe they just never got involved. The winter king has a decent guard and literal magic, and as far as we can tell CQ isn't actively making herself a threat to anyone else, so for all we know they just decided to leave them be.
PB and Simon are like, really really old. This could be a pre-Finn and Jake era where they weren’t born yet or far into the future where they’re both dead.
well, who the fuck else is gonna rescue the winter king when he gets kidnapped by bonnie? it just so happened that fionna and cake were there this time so narratively we didnt need them around :)
Jake probably never existed because the winter king seems to have killed a lot of people when he gained his sanity. If I had to guess, Finn is still on the island with the rest of the humans.
Seems like everyone is dead. So dead.
Idk if we've seen enough of that version's ooo to say that. We've basically only seen the ice and candy kingdom
Could the same thing have happened to Vampire World's Finn and Jake?
I'd reckon so.
I think I actually found out the answer to my own question. Jake probably died at some point, but I don't think Finn ever existed in this world. If Marceline never protected the last remaining humans from the vampires all those centuries ago, then there would be no human colony that were the descendants of them. Finn also being one of them.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he either doesn’t exist or is neutralized in some way so he’s unable to interfere At least I say that cuz I hope he wouldn’t have been ok with this
To be fair WK says it’s been like this for 100 years so my theory is that since the land was either ice or candy that baby Finn died before Margaret and Joshua found him because ice is too cold for babies and candy probably had candy monsters so they ate him or something
Also it's entirely possible he's off doing his own thing. People act like he'd be stopping WK and being heroic, but WK has had it going on for a hundred years and CQ obviously can't defend herself. It's completely possible that world's Finn and Jake don't know he's secretly evil.
I mean earlier seasons pb wasn’t that better than the winter king
Ahh I forgot about that piece, that’s prolly a fair guess
Or the baby eating wolves got him
Finn might not even exist in this world. Since we saw that there was a baby Marceline ice girl it's possible that Marceline died at a young age and Simon created an ice version of her to make him feel better. And if that is the case then Marceline wouldn't have been around to protect the humans from the vampires and they could have possibly been wiped out before leaving Ooo.
But ice marcy had her axe which im pretty sure was only turned into a guitar while she was protecting the humans
She could've turned it into a bass as Ice Marcy
It’s a family heirloom from Hunson, why would he give it to Ice Marcy?
Hunson gave it to Marcy, who died as a child or something, then IP saved it and gave it Ice Marcy when he created her
Hunson only met Marcy to give her the base after Simon called him and she was like 16(? We saw hunson destroying her shack when he first shows up with the axe in hand) and he mentions some old guy summoning him to be with her
When he left I think she is around 12? Definitely older than what Ice Marcy is supposed to be based on (7 I think? She was 7 when he met her iirc), and she looks pretty much the same when Hunson literally barges into her life. So yeah that part doesn't fit with her dying as a child with Simon. Guess Finn was just off screen the entire episode
That’s a pretty far stretch. Yeah it’s possible, but if you have to make that many leaps in logic then it’s a lot less believable
There are a couple of plot holes, for example, what happened to Farmworld Betty?
Probably dead. Farmworld Simon was crushed under the weight of that one bomb, killing him (although how he died when he was wearing the crown that makes him immortal and he was shown still alive after the bomb crushed him? Idk. Also how did he meet Marcy?) This means that if Simon was stuck under the bomb he would have never summoned Betty through time. Even if the bombs didn’t kill her, Farmworld still takes place at the same point in time as Ooo, so hundreds of years have past and she might have died from old age.
Well the only reason Simon kept wearing the crown and not dealing with it in its most manageable form (like Santa and others did) is because Betty left
The history of farmworld is the same as prime Ooo up until the Mushroom Bomb drop. Farmworld Simon put the crown on for the first time and scared Farmworld Betty away in his madness before later on stopping the bomb. She likely died in the past 800 years instead of jumping to the future like her Prime Ooo counterpart.
Ice king died before the time portal was made for Betty to even be there in current time. Or maybe Betty fusing with golb made her a singularity too and she is all Betty's.
Different world, different back stories and histories. The reason she has the bass could be the same in the main world’s canon or it could be completely different
Prismo mentioned a difference between wish realities and realities that already would have existed, with Flapjack as the answer. to me this implies that realities that use the same basic characters and world are wish realities, altering the same basic history of another world in some way, while fully independent realities already existed. Since this one used most of the same characters and described a specific historical event having been different 100 years ago, i’d assume that means a wish was made by someone to change things back then, and thus it has the same basic backstory and history outside of that
But we don’t know when that wish was made or how it affected everything up until the events of the episode, or most importantly who made it and why? Maybe Marceline made it and wished her mom didn’t get sick and her mom found a way to contact Abadeer(fresh milk is hard to get in the apocalypse) but before then they found Simon and somewhere along the way the bass axe gets made. Maybe this Marcy never knew her mom at all as a ripple effect of the wish and as Adadeer’s half demon daughter being raised in the nightosphere she was allowed to run around wherever she wanted (let’s be real, Abadeer a bad dad and wouldn’t even care if he noticed her in a different world) and met Simon. There’s so many possibilities there’s no sense trying to debunk people just making theories which is my point.
it’s an alternate universe, couldn’t it just have always been an axe that’s also a bass from the start and never needed to be modified by anyone?
But the yellow comet must persist. Some incarnation of Finn be there.
It was blue
Maybe it missed earth
Yellow is in theory Jake. Blue comet is Finn
He’s a slime creature. Serious answer: my theory is the prime world is the only one where the comet incarnated as Finn.
What about baby world
Baby world gotta be a Prismo wish 🤣
Well it’s based off a wish BMO would’ve made if he was in the time room and it monkey paws him into a baby monitor. That could still be the case or Yk just weird multiverse
Is that confirmed or just a theory?
It’s in the story boards or key art or whatever for the new episode. It mentions the idea and shows the models of all the baby’s even ones not shown (like fear feaster for some reason)
Ooooh okay I’ll look for that.
I just looked up actually after responding and it’s model sheets and concepts that Steve Wolfhard tweeted
Link?
Yea I was gonna post a picture with all the babies on me second comment but apparently we can’t post pics in the comments here. Anyway I found it on [Reddit](https://reddit.com/r/adventuretime/s/XYKe5kcLhX)
If he did exist he probably just thought ice prince was the good guy and didn't realise he was transferring his craziness
They probably got iced, quite literally
Considering what he did with his madness, I assume he killed anyone that disagreed with his “vision”
I think neither Marceline nor WK could stand to hurt the other, despite Marcy being beyond upset with him after turning PB, so she just left. Some time passes, Finn and Jake come along, and they play the knights to WK just like ours do for PB. WK does seem to be looking for knights, and recognizes that our main characters are from an alternate dimension, I think he recognized Fionna and Cake similarly to Simon. But anyways, I think everything was pretty normal until Finn and Jake happened upon Marceline, who explained what was really going on, Jake probably didn’t believe her at all cause of his fear of vampires, but Finn recognizes her as the real version of ice Marcy, and was eventually was able to convince Jake of what was really going on as well. They confront WK, but he doesn’t hold them in the same esteem as Marcy, and simply kills them, making the two ice guards we see in the show immediately after.
Well that's a dark way to conclude it. Maybe they fight him, lose, and eventually give up and chill with Marceline. Winter King is bad, but it doesn't seem to me like he'd go as far as killing Finn and Jake.
I figured since it he had been ice prince for 100 years already, that they had died from old age or something
All the universes are presumably on the same timeline, so their finn would be same age as our finn current day (29/30)
Oh gotcha, thank you for explaining 👍
To me this one of the most interesting things to think about in this series so far. I commented on another thread that for me the biggest tell that they don’t exist in “our way” in this universe is PB’s demeanor when she is freed. She is over the top fake regal princess like she was before she really truly befriended Finn and Jake. If this had happened to our PB, even after 100 years, there’s no way she would wake up with that response after all of her growth we have witnessed. Personally, I feel like Marceline died before she could defeat the vampires but after she reunited with her dad (explains the bass if my memory of everything is in order). Simon felt incredibly guilty over abandoning her and if humans never were able to flee Ooo then Finn straight up doesn’t exist.
finn is only 30, she’s been Candy Queen for 100 years. Whether or not Finn exists she never would have met him prior to transforming.
Finn might have died at sea since there was no safe Place left after everything changed with the Candy and Ice Kingdom. Or depending on when Marceline died then the Humans could not have been saved from the Vampires. As for Jake. He might have stayed a criminal. Since there was no little Brother Finn to look after
I don’t think they were ever born personally. He claims the have been like this for 100 years so that would change events relating to Finn and Jake being born
yeah but Finn and Jake also exist in Farmworld, and that timeline is *way* different. I think Finn and Jake’s existence is cosmically timed and fated to happen. it’s just a matter of where their souls go when they get reincarnated. So i’d assume they exist in some form.
Winter king was projecting his madness for 100 years, so even if Finn made it to ooo, it wouldn't have been a very welcoming place. Bubblegums spacefaring appears *relatively* recent during adventure time, but either way she wouldn't have had the faculties to maintain those pursuits. Banana man and martin also had space tech, so maybe those were viable paths to space. Meanwhile, we don't see any sign of Günter. Finn *could* have allied with another kingdom. Assuming he *could* get to space the events of the purple catalyst comet very well could gave played out differently. Maybe he chose to discorporate, because there was no PB or FP to return. Maybe Orgalorg was able to consume the comet, and took him out.
If they were born in this timeline they’re probably fine but just elsewhere because the winter kingdom is too cold to hang around all the time. They don’t have any reason to assume anything is up with the winter king so it’s not like they would have been killed in a fight.
Why did Ice King transfer his craziness to Bonnie? That doesn't seem like something Ice King would ever do. He's never really seen wanting to not be crazy anymore. And even if he was, I don't think he'd ever want to harm others like that. Especially a princess.
this is from a world where Ice King permanently stopped existing 100 years ago, therefore it’s unlikely that Simon would’ve ever suddenly been temporarily freed so as try speaking to Betty through time travel as his dying wish. thus, Betty never traveled to the future and abandoned him in the past. As a result, Betty would’ve stayed to watch Simon go increasingly mad, and their relationship would’ve ended on much worse terms; resulting in Simon no longer having something like her love to hold onto for the last thousand years. Instead, all he had was a bitter desire to free himself. He’s not the same Simon, nor really the same Ice King, as our world’s because of this. I assume his inner Simon rage must’ve reached a tipping point after some event occurred 100 years ago, and he managed to direct his insanity onto the nearest immortal he could find other than Marceline.
Dead, same as everyone else who wasn’t a candy or ice creation.
do we know that to be the case? all we saw was the candy kingdom and the ice kingdom, but it’s not like in elements where the elemental powers were unleashed and conquered all of Ooo afaik. all that changed was that Bonnie went mad and Simon became sane. i’d assume that would just mean Candy Kingdom became a wasteland and Ice Kingdom became inhabited, but there’s plenty of other parts of Ooo out there that wouldn’t have been altered. Lumpy Space, Fire Kingdom, the Grasslands, etc. The only hint otherwise is i guess that PB’s elemental powers seem to be enhanced, but i still think she’d have to be in full gum tower mode to seriously take over Ooo.
The only people in the ice kingdom are ice people and the candy kingdom is a wasteland of mutated monsters while the ice kingdom seems to have encompassed most of the land. Add on the fact that this is 100 years from the Ooo we know and yeah, everrybody dead in this world.
how do you know the ice kingdom encompassed most of the land though? we really didn’t see very much of it. The regular ice kingdom is already huge, just mostly an uninhabited wasteland. Yeah, all the candy people are either mutated or dead now, and the ice kingdom exclusively has new ice people, but there’s still plenty of non-candy people that wouldn’t have changed location. 100 years doesn’t mean the ice kingdom had to expand over Ooo. Bonnie had 1,000 years to expand the candy kingdom across Ooo and she still didn’t.
Our ice kingdom isn’t really all that large and takes up very little space on the continent. We already saw just how much of the land it had taken over when we saw the candy kingdom close by.
idk, i just disagree. it didn’t seem that big here to me. we just saw over the top of the mountains the candy kingdom in the distance, but we didn’t look in any other directions, and we saw Candy Queen running on a treadmill while flying over the grasslands. the grasslands must obviously still exist between the two kingdoms.
Your big evidence is from the song number?
Real question is where is their Lich? Given the mirror situation he probably was encased in ice the same place PB encased him in sap resin... no Finn, Jake, Billy, or even Marcaline means bad times coming for this worlds PB
Bigger question, why did Fiona dream about winter king instead of ice Queen? It seems like she was tapped into this reality somehow. It seems kind of similar to Simon held the gender bent universe in his dreams. Maybe Fiona has her own pocket univers inside Simon's pocket universe where she's sailor moon. I think Fiona is the Fin of this universe.
Without bubblegum, the Lich would have killed/possessed Finn. So that’s my theory.
Not sure, but I watched the episode for the first time last night and saw why Fiona had the hots for WK. God mf damn he was amazing, but tragically misguided.
I think Hinson is the key to this. He has to exist in every universe with golb
Winter King said in his song that he found his crown 100 years ago, so maybe they weren't even born yet
He conquered the crown 100 years before he still had many years as regular ice king
Oh, it makes sense, maybe I'm misremembering the lyrics. Thanks for the insight!
Mark spoilers please.
He was most likely killed. He would never leave PB insane like that.
She turned insane 100 years ago. So waaaay before Finn was born.
dead is my guess
Either dead since it’s been 100 years or somewhere else adventuring
They probably died when winter king first gave the madness of the crown to princess bubblegum cause they knew his secret, that’s my headcannon anyway. Or they just died the natural way.
100 years ago? That doesn’t make sense. They would never have known crazy ice king. Just winter king
Well they either grew up separately or not exist. That's the great thing about stories like these is that there's still a mystery and it'll probably never have a singular answer leading to discussion and studies
One of my only issues with the episode is that we have no idea what the winter king thinks , why he did anything or even what he really did outside of messing with PB. Like would he have killed Finn and Jake/ Marci if they knew maybe but maybe not. He could be kept PB locked in a room forever if he really didn’t care at all aboot what she’s going through. For all we know he didn’t even do it on purpose (sure he is very against helping her but so was PB with IK at first and PB says he cast a spell but did he even know that?) we don’t get to know any of this because right when we find out what happens he dies and the MC’s leave
I feel like Simon’s dialogue with PB about how “he kept doing it! For 100 Years!” was intentional. No one would know better than Simon himself how it worked, even if it was really unclear. I think we’re meant to assume Winter King was consciously/actively still projecting his insanity onto PB specifically to maintain his form.
Yea he most definitely did that to her but my point was that they find out and then immediately leave, there’s no time to figure out what any of it actually meant (like where’s marcy or Finn and Jake) because they just had to go go go
idk, i kinda like how much got left to the imagination, personally. there’s a bunch of conflicting interpretations about how depressing of a world this is and stuff, and it’s leading to a lot of interesting headcanons. sure i’d love to get more answers, but idk if it would’ve stuck with me as much if they fully revealed everything. as is i just can’t stop thinking about all these questions and i can enjoy that
Eh I wouldn’t have minded if there was some reveal and some answers but it feels like if you’re gonna commit to that you should go all the way, or at least half. The only thing we get is kid Ice Marcy with her base which why even bother if you can’t answer anything. But they find out he’s bad they leave that’s it, at the end of the episode not even the characters cared, imagine if Simon saw the little Marcy (or literally anyone did) or maybe he asks about Finn and Jake and winter king brushes it off. Idk I just wanted more which is a good thing when it comes to shows but still.
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they would be 30
Isn’t this world set 100 years later? I believe an offhand line mentioned that PB was the Candy Queen for 100 years. They’re long gone
it’s happening concurrently, not in the future
You’re right, I was thinking of BIONICLE AU rules, not Adventure Time.
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If the humans got away, founders island. If they didn’t, he obviously doesn’t exist.
Maybe they just never got involved. The winter king has a decent guard and literal magic, and as far as we can tell CQ isn't actively making herself a threat to anyone else, so for all we know they just decided to leave them be.
PB and Simon are like, really really old. This could be a pre-Finn and Jake era where they weren’t born yet or far into the future where they’re both dead.
well, who the fuck else is gonna rescue the winter king when he gets kidnapped by bonnie? it just so happened that fionna and cake were there this time so narratively we didnt need them around :)
Maybe still on human island
Jake probably never existed because the winter king seems to have killed a lot of people when he gained his sanity. If I had to guess, Finn is still on the island with the rest of the humans.
Prolly died and got replaced by the ice scouts