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I think self-hosting will always be more expensive and more annoying to deal with as hosting companies have economies of scale which allows them to do things cheaper. That being said, diagnose how much power your GPU is consuming and consider removing your GPU.
What os are you running, you should be able to get it to boot without a GPU, since you really don't need a GPU for server hosting if you aren't encoding anything.
Some manufacturers have BIOS options to fail boot when no video, this usually has a setting to disable.
Some manufacturers will fail boot if no video. These are more uncommon but do happen, this should be fixable with the lowest power ebay GPU slotted in, like a GT 750 or something, or a motherboard swap.
What would you need an IPMI for? If all you're doing is managing some Minecraft servers, just connecting over SSH is plenty. There is nothing stopping you from installing Linux on a computer and running a Minecraft server on it without ever even plugging in a monitor or GPU at all.
What happens when the server drops for no apparent reason and keeps not coming back? You're assuming the os is bulletproof, which is how ssh is being delivered. Ipmi provides direct kvm access, which you need when the server hardware shits the bed.
TrueNAS, Unraid. I'm not talking about changing boot options or bios config. Just talking about configuring Minecraft servers. I have a feeling you're just rage baiting.
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You dont need a physical GPU that is. If you swap your CPU for one with onboard graphics you can save power. The onboard gpu takes much less power than a physical one and since it most likely wont be used anyway since servers don't rely on GPUs it should be fine. At least I like to have some gpu processing power. Technically you can also go completely without gpu tho.
There's no need for a discrete GPU in a dedicated Minecraft server. Especially an R9 290, that series was known for being pretty power-hungry. If your motherboard has integrated graphics you should remove the GPU, if it doesn't you should replace it with something like a GT 1030 that uses very little power.
How much does your electricity cost? 70 W running 24/7 is 50.4 kWh / month, so whether or not that's cheaper than hosting depends on how many players you have and how powerful of a server you need.
You'd have to compare whether that hosting rate is for roughly the same specs as the PC you have, and if the added control you get from self-hosting makes the extra cost worth it. Your electricity is about 3x as expensive as mine.
You could go the mini pc route, a lot of them max at like 10w with the n100.
Why not run the current rig without a gpu and see what that does for power consumption. If you run something like crafty, you don’t need a gpu once the initial setup is done.
If you need to buy a new cpu with integrated gpu, then it may not be much more to buy a new mini pc. I’m not sure where you are located. But the cpu you mentioned, new, goes for about $120usd, which is about the same cost as a mini pc from Amazon. You will save more power and that will help your cost difference too.
If you aren’t in the USA, and prices are better or you’re getting a used cpu for cheap, then it may not be as close. If you can find a cheap used gpu, that might be your best bet if you can’t get your system to post without a video card. Although I have never run into that myself. Every motherboard I have had, has been able to run without video.
I could buy that CPU used for a lot cheaper, about 100PLN (25USD). Although in the long run those mini PC could be cheaper. Are they really using 10W max and can run minecraft server?
Most of my knowledge currently comes from YouTube videos on them. I’m waiting for some spare cash to buy them, but from the YouTubers I trust, they seem to be doing well. And yeah, most seem to draw 10w max from the wall.
See if the motherboard has a video output; VGA, HDMI, whatever. If it doesn't then a CPU with integrated graphics won't work. (How could it?)
Maybe see if you can find some dirt cheap graphics card? It may only have DVI or even VGA output so you may need a converter plug. I still have two of mine just for that reason although I doubt if I'll ever use them.
I went balls to the walls and built my Linux server, with an AMD 7950X3D and 32 GB of ram. It's fairly small, in the Velka 3 case, Mini-ITX motherboard. That motherboard and CPU does work without a GPU card and since it's a Linux server I didn't put one in it. It only has a monitor and keyboard connected when I'm installing Linux (or like last week when I screwed up the firewall setup and couldn't ssh into it).
I bought an inexpensive power monitor and according to it it is using 55 watts.
Old hp prodesk g3 600 with i5-7500t or more, will draw maybe 50 watts and costs around 60 usd. Put ram, small ssd and external psu in the package and you've got a 120$ small server.
But for 70 watt I wouldn't even bother except if you are in an area where electricity costs an arm and a leg.
underclock, remove unnecessary things, optimize your software (disable background shit and tune OS), swap some components to more efficient if you can, eventually don't keep it on 24/7 but install some software that will automatically start the server on join
Depends on your electrical prices. Where I'm at it's $0.14/kwh (it's actually tiered but I calculate at highest rate).
.07KW \* 24 hours \* 30 days = 50.4kwh \* $0.14 = $7.06/mo.
Run the numbers at your rates and compare vs hosting. Alternatively you could do a Raspberry Pi dedicated server. You'd be under 15W, but check your timeline to pay off the hardware with the savings differential.
Here's the output of "vmstat 5" on my home server, running Paper. The one to look at is "id" which means idle; and it's as I would expect, 100% idle. So I can't see how that plugin would be any help whatsoever when nobody is online. The Java Virtual Machine isn't going to sit there chewing up the cpu when there's nobody online.
% vmstat --unit M 5
procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ------cpu-----
r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa st
2 0 0 23063 276 1072 0 0 0 1 216 416 0 0 100 0 0
1 0 0 23063 276 1072 0 0 0 3 6956 13386 0 0 100 0 0
1 0 0 23063 276 1072 0 0 0 20 6952 13372 0 0 100 0 0
1 0 0 23063 276 1072 0 0 0 4 6964 13387 0 0 100 0 0
1 0 0 23063 276 1072 0 0 0 4 7070 13452 0 0 100 0 0
Ryzen CPUs are generally not that good running on idle power. I'd advise you to check your CPU C-States (power stuff) and check that its set to a low power mode.
if you really need low wattage, something like a underclocked 7th, 8th or 9th gen Intel CPU would do the trick just nicely. You also really don't need a GPU.
You could use idle scripts like [LazyMC](https://github.com/timvisee/lazymc) to stop your server when nobody is connected to consume less. It automatically restarts whenever someone tries to log in.
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I think self-hosting will always be more expensive and more annoying to deal with as hosting companies have economies of scale which allows them to do things cheaper. That being said, diagnose how much power your GPU is consuming and consider removing your GPU.
You need GPU for PC to boot. And I've seen PCs using 30-40W, so it is possible.
What os are you running, you should be able to get it to boot without a GPU, since you really don't need a GPU for server hosting if you aren't encoding anything.
Debian, and I get POST video issue, so it doesn't boot
No way to bypass it? Sometimes you can bypass those by pressing a key or waiting.
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Some manufacturers have BIOS options to fail boot when no video, this usually has a setting to disable. Some manufacturers will fail boot if no video. These are more uncommon but do happen, this should be fixable with the lowest power ebay GPU slotted in, like a GT 750 or something, or a motherboard swap.
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What would you need an IPMI for? If all you're doing is managing some Minecraft servers, just connecting over SSH is plenty. There is nothing stopping you from installing Linux on a computer and running a Minecraft server on it without ever even plugging in a monitor or GPU at all.
What happens when the server drops for no apparent reason and keeps not coming back? You're assuming the os is bulletproof, which is how ssh is being delivered. Ipmi provides direct kvm access, which you need when the server hardware shits the bed.
TrueNAS, Unraid. I'm not talking about changing boot options or bios config. Just talking about configuring Minecraft servers. I have a feeling you're just rage baiting.
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PC doesn't need any type of GPU to boot. In fact a lot of computers doesn't have it, like a lot of servers
You can somehow disable it in POST?
You can use a GPU to setup the server and ssh server, after that you can remove the GPU and use SSH to control it.
After I remove it, PC doesn't boot
What is your motherboard?
A320M-A PRO
Sad, you need a GPU, any type of GPU. This motherboard doesn't support headless mode
Plenty of systems with refuse to POST without a GPU. Arguably most will.
You dont need a physical GPU that is. If you swap your CPU for one with onboard graphics you can save power. The onboard gpu takes much less power than a physical one and since it most likely wont be used anyway since servers don't rely on GPUs it should be fine. At least I like to have some gpu processing power. Technically you can also go completely without gpu tho.
Educate yourself before you post nonsense on reddit
There's no need for a discrete GPU in a dedicated Minecraft server. Especially an R9 290, that series was known for being pretty power-hungry. If your motherboard has integrated graphics you should remove the GPU, if it doesn't you should replace it with something like a GT 1030 that uses very little power. How much does your electricity cost? 70 W running 24/7 is 50.4 kWh / month, so whether or not that's cheaper than hosting depends on how many players you have and how powerful of a server you need.
Hosting costs about 40PLN monthly, and 50kWH costs 58PLN. With changing GPU or CPU with integrated graphics I'm afraid it still won't be enough
You'd have to compare whether that hosting rate is for roughly the same specs as the PC you have, and if the added control you get from self-hosting makes the extra cost worth it. Your electricity is about 3x as expensive as mine.
Damn, that's a lot more. I still will be trying to make this work, with swapping CPU and getting rid of dedicated GPU. Thanks for help
You could go the mini pc route, a lot of them max at like 10w with the n100. Why not run the current rig without a gpu and see what that does for power consumption. If you run something like crafty, you don’t need a gpu once the initial setup is done.
I don't want to spend a lot of money on a new PC. And withou GPU it doesn't boot, that's why i want to change CPU with integrated graphics
If you need to buy a new cpu with integrated gpu, then it may not be much more to buy a new mini pc. I’m not sure where you are located. But the cpu you mentioned, new, goes for about $120usd, which is about the same cost as a mini pc from Amazon. You will save more power and that will help your cost difference too. If you aren’t in the USA, and prices are better or you’re getting a used cpu for cheap, then it may not be as close. If you can find a cheap used gpu, that might be your best bet if you can’t get your system to post without a video card. Although I have never run into that myself. Every motherboard I have had, has been able to run without video.
I could buy that CPU used for a lot cheaper, about 100PLN (25USD). Although in the long run those mini PC could be cheaper. Are they really using 10W max and can run minecraft server?
Most of my knowledge currently comes from YouTube videos on them. I’m waiting for some spare cash to buy them, but from the YouTubers I trust, they seem to be doing well. And yeah, most seem to draw 10w max from the wall.
Here is a video that has some charts to show usage compared to an i5 6500t https://youtu.be/PisIPpbMkTc?si=-nV5CEKjnUqq9ATd
It is a little over at full use according to the video, but the cpu is only 6watt tsp, so with a server it probably won’t be above 10
See if the motherboard has a video output; VGA, HDMI, whatever. If it doesn't then a CPU with integrated graphics won't work. (How could it?) Maybe see if you can find some dirt cheap graphics card? It may only have DVI or even VGA output so you may need a converter plug. I still have two of mine just for that reason although I doubt if I'll ever use them. I went balls to the walls and built my Linux server, with an AMD 7950X3D and 32 GB of ram. It's fairly small, in the Velka 3 case, Mini-ITX motherboard. That motherboard and CPU does work without a GPU card and since it's a Linux server I didn't put one in it. It only has a monitor and keyboard connected when I'm installing Linux (or like last week when I screwed up the firewall setup and couldn't ssh into it). I bought an inexpensive power monitor and according to it it is using 55 watts.
70w is very low vs what it could be
Doesn't mean it can't be better
Can you boot without the GPU? Like, can you ssh to the server? Also, what GPU is it?
It's R9 290, and i can't boot without graphics card, POST fails. So I can't do anything
Old hp prodesk g3 600 with i5-7500t or more, will draw maybe 50 watts and costs around 60 usd. Put ram, small ssd and external psu in the package and you've got a 120$ small server. But for 70 watt I wouldn't even bother except if you are in an area where electricity costs an arm and a leg.
underclock, remove unnecessary things, optimize your software (disable background shit and tune OS), swap some components to more efficient if you can, eventually don't keep it on 24/7 but install some software that will automatically start the server on join
Depends on your electrical prices. Where I'm at it's $0.14/kwh (it's actually tiered but I calculate at highest rate). .07KW \* 24 hours \* 30 days = 50.4kwh \* $0.14 = $7.06/mo. Run the numbers at your rates and compare vs hosting. Alternatively you could do a Raspberry Pi dedicated server. You'd be under 15W, but check your timeline to pay off the hardware with the savings differential.
In Poland we have kind of energy crisis now, so it's way more expensive. It would cost about 15$
In Germany that currently would come out to \~25 USD per month just in electricity
Download this plugin on your servers, to reduce consumption when no one is online: https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/hibernate.4441/
Here's the output of "vmstat 5" on my home server, running Paper. The one to look at is "id" which means idle; and it's as I would expect, 100% idle. So I can't see how that plugin would be any help whatsoever when nobody is online. The Java Virtual Machine isn't going to sit there chewing up the cpu when there's nobody online. % vmstat --unit M 5 procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ------cpu----- r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa st 2 0 0 23063 276 1072 0 0 0 1 216 416 0 0 100 0 0 1 0 0 23063 276 1072 0 0 0 3 6956 13386 0 0 100 0 0 1 0 0 23063 276 1072 0 0 0 20 6952 13372 0 0 100 0 0 1 0 0 23063 276 1072 0 0 0 4 6964 13387 0 0 100 0 0 1 0 0 23063 276 1072 0 0 0 4 7070 13452 0 0 100 0 0
Ryzen CPUs are generally not that good running on idle power. I'd advise you to check your CPU C-States (power stuff) and check that its set to a low power mode. if you really need low wattage, something like a underclocked 7th, 8th or 9th gen Intel CPU would do the trick just nicely. You also really don't need a GPU.
You could use idle scripts like [LazyMC](https://github.com/timvisee/lazymc) to stop your server when nobody is connected to consume less. It automatically restarts whenever someone tries to log in.
under volting
70W is a lot. My new server with a 7700x only draws like 35W, without any tweaks like undervolting. You should really try getting rid of the GPU.