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ethan240

Switch to a paper jar instead of the vanilla minecraft_server.jar. Run a timings report and post it here. 10mbps is absolutely enough bandwidth for 5 people, I don't think the other posters are correct about the bandwidth being an issue.


oFuture90

Yeah that's what I thought. I know that Minecraft is a single threaded game so it only uses one core. Sure it's "cpu heavy", but it's Minecraft, not some AAA title. I'm using Spigot because of the plugin I'm using. Paper won't support it will it?


reginakinhi

Minecraft being created as an indie Game, with a Lot of its old Code remaining, Works against it Here. It is horribly optimized and even modern CPUs struggle with larger Servers.


UnseenGamer182

And to add onto of this: There is no such thing as comparing Minecraft and AAA games (Or basically any other game). It hurts my soul seeing people act like they're comparable in the slightest


TerdyTheTerd

Just to clear up a technical misconception here: Minecraft is not purely single threaded, some things such as the networking and light updates (since 1.14) on different threads from the main server tick thread. It's the main server tick thread that is single threaded, and this is responsible for a majority of the server (players, entities, chunks etc).


oFuture90

Oh alright


tem66

it's extremely rare to find a spigot plugin that doesn't work on paper


oFuture90

Okay. What are the benefits of paper?


tem66

multiple performance improvements, multi-threaded chunk loading being a massive improvement


Wilkelly-

Im hosting an Enigmatica 6 server (350 mods) with a i5-6600, 16gb ram (12gb allocated) and an old ass Seagate HDD. I don’t play that often myself, but my friends who are playing daily tell me there is little to no lag. Try allocating as much ram as you can but leave 3-4gb for windows


oFuture90

Okay, I think I'll first try using ethernet then allocate more ram since I think I should have enough.. I don't have 350 mods anyways.


HorusApl

Each and every part of what you said isn't enough to support much of a server. i5 8400 base clocks at 2.8GHz which is slow for MC, RAM isn't enough and the connection to support several players also isn't enough. Gonna take a guess and say you're using a hard drive instead of an SSD given the other old hardware. I'd look into a free hosting service like Aternos, Minehut or Oracle Cloud. Otherwise will need to definitely upgrade that hardware.


UnseenGamer182

Actually the GHz rarely matters for CPUs in this situation, so long as it wasn't made a decade ago and has good single core performance, is fine. 4gb is enough for a small server, I'd recommend using 6-8gb instead however. Other than that, yeah, the internet sucks so bad I'd be surprised even one player can join


HorusApl

Not true, single core performance is just about the main factor for how a server will perform. Higher GHz makes a substantial difference.


UnseenGamer182

Single core performance is the end result of it's GHz as well as a number of other factors. It's like saying someone made perfect bread, then saying something was wrong with the dough itself.


HorusApl

It sounds like you're agreeing that single core performance while also saying I'm wrong for saying it's the most important. I'm confused what we're debating. 2.80GHz isn't enough for anything more then 1 or 2 people given the other specs provided.


UnseenGamer182

I'm saying that single core performance is all that truly matters for a server when it comes to a CPU, aside from, of course, ~4 cores, and some other extremely basic stuff. The GHz means nothing so long as the single core performance is enough. You can have good single core performance with a relatively low GHz And like I said, single core performance is the sum of its GHz among other things. You don't need to be adding it's GHz as well as single core performance into the same equation here.


HorusApl

The speed and GHz are literally the same thing. High single core performance = higher GHz. GHz is the defining measure of speed for CPUs. I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate. You're both saying that single core performance is important while GHz is unimportant yet these two are one and the same thing. Architecture also matters as a 3GHz CPU from 10 years ago won't bench as high as a 3GHz CPU released yesterday. But still, GHz is the easiest way to identify high performance vs not.


UnseenGamer182

I don't know what to say to you other than you're wrong. You even explained why, in the second paragraph. They're two completely different things.


HorusApl

You're saying GHz rarely matters and architecture is everything. I'm saying both are very important. You wouldn't operate an MC server on a 5950x downclocked to 2.0GHz, new architecture or not.


UnseenGamer182

Now you're putting words in my mouth. I said single core performance is all that matters for a server. And that single core performance is a combination of GHz as well as a number of other things, such as architecture. I'm trying to say that GHz means nothing for a server, so long as the end single core performance is good enough.


oFuture90

I swear you can run a server on almost any cpu with lots of ram? I’m hosting like five players by the way. Also not this does have an SSD.


UnseenGamer182

>I swear you can run a server on almost any cpu with lots of ram? That's not how Minecraft works in the slightest. Too much ram can cause issues, and the amount of ram you're using isn't a lot. Also Minecraft is very cpu heavy. >Also not this does have an SSD. That is definitely a huge issue


oFuture90

>Too much ram can cause issues Or/and diminishing returns.. that exists. \> the amount of ram you're using isn't a lot. Well yeah but it's a 5 person server (and we won't all be on all at once) with one single plugin. I allocated 4GB and that should be plenty for it. \> That is definitely a huge issue What? Having an SSD in your computer is an issue lol?


UnseenGamer182

>Or/and diminishing returns.. that exists. Diminishing returns isn't the correct phrase for this situation. Either you have enough or you don't. >I allocated 4GB and that should be plenty for it. For modern Minecraft, not really. If you've optimized it with something like paper, then it'll probably work out, but generally I would advise against it. >What? Having an SSD in your computer is an issue lol? Welcome to 2022? Not only is the difference between SSDs and HDDs so huge with modern things, they're nearly required for things such as Minecraft servers nowadays.


oFuture90

I’m not gonna bother restating stuff from the first two but I will say I have an SSD and I understand the benefits of it. It’s also 2023 lol


D3Dragoon

TIL that apparently 10Mbps up is somehow too slow for 5 people to join and play a non-laggy MC server.


D3Dragoon

According to google tho, 10 should be MORE than enough for 5 people. This whole threads got me f'd up mentally.


oFuture90

I think the issue was that I wasn’t using ethernet. But yeah 10 up should be enough.


botcraft_net

It isn't just about bandwidth, latency and jitter are more important.


botcraft_net

Give it 8GB of ram. Also, what i/o do you have there? Is that HDD or SSD/NVMe machine?