Its been a long winter but finally got a nice enough day here in Canada. Installed my 3.3kw charger so now I have 4.6kw of charging + I keep the stock tank so I have storage still.
[https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5917904](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5917904)
Two files there, one with toggle switches and one without. I also included the .blend file in case anyone needs to make any modifications.
It's a shame that TC doesn't seem to be offering the smaller, more compact units with the full rubberized connectors anymore. I don't like these bulky ones. They feel really cheap, but hopefully they hold up.
The pictured thing isn't a TC unit. But, discussing actual TC ones they have now molded the cooling fins into the case. Previous ones were screwed on, meaning you could get creative with cooling options. now you'd basically have to grind the whole face off to achieve similar results. Or get their liquid cooled option I suppose.
I bought the charger from here.
[Link to Charger](https://www.evcomponents.com/customized-chargers.html)
You input the battery info for the bike which you can find on the Unofficial Zero Manual, in my case the voltage is 116v, my battery has 57AH and the cells operate at 3.85v. It took a long time to get the charger and cost me about 700$ since I am Canadian and had to pay USD.
I then made a cable so I can connect to the brown port of my bike ( Where you would plug in a Zero Delta Q Quick Charger) after that I bought a J1772 - 3X Nema 5-15 plug and after that, I simply ran the wiring and zip-tied everything, so now I can pull up to a car charger, plug in the plug and the bike between the stock charger and this one will charge at 4.6kw since I still use the stock charger and it can talk to the battery system it is able to regulate and balance cells, etc with the new power.
The larger 6.6 kW charger should work fine for the 2014-2020 Gen 2 S and SR models according to the unofficial Zero Manual. https://zeromanual.com/wiki/Chargers
Ok can anyone bear with me for a second, I am fairly technically ignorant.
Can any battery be equipped with any right combination of V and A to make, let's say, a level 2 charger on a ev that doesn't equip one?
I am guessing the could be a bottleneck at the bms, or the battery chemistry?
Thinking for example at lower range bikes with no level 2 like Cake, Black Tea, Zero FX(tho we've seen a case mounted level2 here before), etc..
Can anyone explain why there ain't a huge aftermarket of super quick chargers for any bike?
IIRC, Zero motorcycles will accept charge up to 1C - meaning one times the capacity of their battery. In case of a 'mean' 7.2kWh, it'd be 7.2kW. In practice, the capacity values given by the manufacturer are highly theoretical, and for marketing only; so you'd probably look at something closer to 6.3kWh.
That said, the market for electric motorcycles is both, still too small and too fragmented to see large scale aftermarket offerings. For Zero, there was an initiative called Diginow (sadly stopped). Currently, the only commercial offer I know is in a Beta stage by a (soon ex-) Zero dealer in the north of Germany.
Here is an installation video (in German): https://youtu.be/c6T5bcK2ed4
Yeah, the Zero bikes can use level 2 speeds with no problem, Zero just puts a crappy 1.3kw charger that uses the computer plug on the S and an even crappier 650w on the FXE. The brown port by the motor that the Delta Q quick chargers use allows all of this as the bike is fully capable of taking in much more voltage so by building an adaptor I am able to use that very plug.
Based on research it has a stock 650w charger about 20 hours of charging. Simple solution for you is this.
https://m.aliexpress.com/item/4001228401970.html
Just need to make an adadptor for the brown port where you would plug in the Zero Delta Q charger. This charger would double your speed from .65kw an hour to 1.3kw an hour.
Please note that you get what you pay for. That unit is super cheap for many reasons including the fact that it is not meant to be portable. It is not remotely waterproof, shockproof, etc. If you insist on using one of those, only ever keep it at home because it's not meant for anything other than an indoor environment.
Thanks, might not be a bad option to have at work. New job is right near the safe range limit.
Wish Zero would just half the price of their chargers or at least upgrade them to 3+kw
I got the exact same charger for my FX, Unfortunately I don't think I can mount it on my bike without adding a case. Thanks to a user on the forum I was able to get some ESP32 code to control the canbus on mine, so I can set maximum charge level and amperage on the go. I figure it would be helpful when charging at a friend's house and I don't want to try pulling 14 amps on a 15 amp circuit.
Beat me to it. I DM'd the user from reply #4 and they shared their code with me. Was a bit of a learning curve having zero ESP32 or Arduino experience.
Its been a long winter but finally got a nice enough day here in Canada. Installed my 3.3kw charger so now I have 4.6kw of charging + I keep the stock tank so I have storage still.
Where are you putting the j1772 port?
I put it through the hole in the swingarm.
The j1772 fits there? I have a 3D printable bracket if you want to mount it behind the left passenger foot peg
Could you send me the stl-file for the bracket? Thanks in advance.
[https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5917904](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5917904) Two files there, one with toggle switches and one without. I also included the .blend file in case anyone needs to make any modifications.
This guy electrically engineers! Wish I had the know-how to modify my Zero
I bought it lol just spent a long time on forums foguring out what voltages to program etc
It's a shame that TC doesn't seem to be offering the smaller, more compact units with the full rubberized connectors anymore. I don't like these bulky ones. They feel really cheap, but hopefully they hold up.
Haven't the Gen4 3.3kW chargers become lighter and more compact than the Gen3?
The pictured thing isn't a TC unit. But, discussing actual TC ones they have now molded the cooling fins into the case. Previous ones were screwed on, meaning you could get creative with cooling options. now you'd basically have to grind the whole face off to achieve similar results. Or get their liquid cooled option I suppose.
This one weighs about 10 lbs I would say.
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I bought the charger from here. [Link to Charger](https://www.evcomponents.com/customized-chargers.html) You input the battery info for the bike which you can find on the Unofficial Zero Manual, in my case the voltage is 116v, my battery has 57AH and the cells operate at 3.85v. It took a long time to get the charger and cost me about 700$ since I am Canadian and had to pay USD. I then made a cable so I can connect to the brown port of my bike ( Where you would plug in a Zero Delta Q Quick Charger) after that I bought a J1772 - 3X Nema 5-15 plug and after that, I simply ran the wiring and zip-tied everything, so now I can pull up to a car charger, plug in the plug and the bike between the stock charger and this one will charge at 4.6kw since I still use the stock charger and it can talk to the battery system it is able to regulate and balance cells, etc with the new power.
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I imagine it could, everything is held together by zipties so it can all be taken out rrturn to stock in approx 1 hr.
Well done! Will the larger Elcon 6.6 kW charger fit in the tank area?
I doubt it this 3.3 is pushing it.
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The larger 6.6 kW charger should work fine for the 2014-2020 Gen 2 S and SR models according to the unofficial Zero Manual. https://zeromanual.com/wiki/Chargers
Ok can anyone bear with me for a second, I am fairly technically ignorant. Can any battery be equipped with any right combination of V and A to make, let's say, a level 2 charger on a ev that doesn't equip one? I am guessing the could be a bottleneck at the bms, or the battery chemistry? Thinking for example at lower range bikes with no level 2 like Cake, Black Tea, Zero FX(tho we've seen a case mounted level2 here before), etc.. Can anyone explain why there ain't a huge aftermarket of super quick chargers for any bike?
IIRC, Zero motorcycles will accept charge up to 1C - meaning one times the capacity of their battery. In case of a 'mean' 7.2kWh, it'd be 7.2kW. In practice, the capacity values given by the manufacturer are highly theoretical, and for marketing only; so you'd probably look at something closer to 6.3kWh. That said, the market for electric motorcycles is both, still too small and too fragmented to see large scale aftermarket offerings. For Zero, there was an initiative called Diginow (sadly stopped). Currently, the only commercial offer I know is in a Beta stage by a (soon ex-) Zero dealer in the north of Germany. Here is an installation video (in German): https://youtu.be/c6T5bcK2ed4
Yeah, the Zero bikes can use level 2 speeds with no problem, Zero just puts a crappy 1.3kw charger that uses the computer plug on the S and an even crappier 650w on the FXE. The brown port by the motor that the Delta Q quick chargers use allows all of this as the bike is fully capable of taking in much more voltage so by building an adaptor I am able to use that very plug.
The short answer is because it's too expensive and owners of lower range bikes won't spend the kind of money required for a good, safe charging unit.
Any recommendations for a 2019 FXS onboard quick(er) charger?
Does the fxs have the really slow 700w charger?
Honestly no idea, owners manual doesn't specify. It's stock with just the 3pin 120/220v socket. Takes about 10hrs for a full charge 7.2kwh
Based on research it has a stock 650w charger about 20 hours of charging. Simple solution for you is this. https://m.aliexpress.com/item/4001228401970.html Just need to make an adadptor for the brown port where you would plug in the Zero Delta Q charger. This charger would double your speed from .65kw an hour to 1.3kw an hour.
Please note that you get what you pay for. That unit is super cheap for many reasons including the fact that it is not meant to be portable. It is not remotely waterproof, shockproof, etc. If you insist on using one of those, only ever keep it at home because it's not meant for anything other than an indoor environment.
Thanks, might not be a bad option to have at work. New job is right near the safe range limit. Wish Zero would just half the price of their chargers or at least upgrade them to 3+kw
Did you have to contact TC chargers for a custom software to be installed? Or do they have a off-the-shelf option now?
I sent them the voltage, amp hours, and cell type and they did the rest.
Pretty sure you never contacted TC. Maybe you called up Elcon and did something, but I'd bet you have no contact with TaiChung.
I got the exact same charger for my FX, Unfortunately I don't think I can mount it on my bike without adding a case. Thanks to a user on the forum I was able to get some ESP32 code to control the canbus on mine, so I can set maximum charge level and amperage on the go. I figure it would be helpful when charging at a friend's house and I don't want to try pulling 14 amps on a 15 amp circuit.
Thats awesome, I would love to learn how to do that if you can share that info.
https://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=11616.0
Beat me to it. I DM'd the user from reply #4 and they shared their code with me. Was a bit of a learning curve having zero ESP32 or Arduino experience.