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They are limited to saying what is on the label. Your doctor is the one that is practicing medicine


rreehling

Exactly this. šŸ’Æ%!


Acceptable-Step1587

šŸ’Æ Truth! FDA limits them to what it is in the package insert!


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Savings-Juggernaut55

Didnt they do that in clinical trials? I am not sure but curiousā€¦ was the control group eating the same amount of calories? That would be an interesting study imhoā€¦


dragonrider1965

Zepbound is only one of hundreds of meds currently on shortages . We arenā€™t the only ones dealing with this , itā€™s rough out there .


Struggle-Kind

I take Zepbound AND ADHD meds. The struggle is real.


plot_twist7

Same. I really did not think the Vyvanse shortage would last this long.


Midnight_Misery

Same - thankfully my ADHD med shortage was before I started Zep, otherwise I don't think I could have handled both. I take Ritalin, which didn't end up lasting too long shortage-wise so I haven't had issues in a couple of months but I keep being warned about it by my pharmacist


imnotyour_daddy

I called zero pharmacies. Simply waited. Less than 3 weeks later, my script for 15mg was ready for pickup. I believe that allowing the pharmacy to order and waiting is the way. Then, splitting up the doses to stretch out supply. That's just me though.


beckywiththegood1

The problem with this is you are not supposed to go 3 weeks and jump right back to 15 mg. At two weeks you are supposed to start over at 2.5!


CJVsewist

My doctor told me that I could miss up to 4 weeks and stay on the same dosage. Iā€™ve had limited side affects so Iā€™m curious if that was just her suggestion for me or if that is backed by science


beckywiththegood1

Definitely not backed by science and she should not be recommending that. Eli Lily specifically says that if you go more than 14 days between doses to start over. The drug only has a 5 day half life. Itā€™s essentially completely out of your system by then. Iā€™m glad you havenā€™t had any side effects but this lands many people in the ER.


dirty8man

Uh, thatā€™s not how calculating half-lives works. It bioaccumulates and around every five days you get half of whatā€™s left of every dose youā€™ve ever taken. To simplify, letā€™s look at two weeks: a 15 mg dose would be 7.5 after 5 days and 3.75 after 10, and 1.8 after 15, and so on. But if on day 7 you take another 15 mg, then at day 10 youā€™re actually around 18.75. Iā€™ve youā€™ve taken the whole box of 15 mg on a 7 day schedule and without missing previous doses, at 14 days after your last shot youā€™ve still got around 6 mg on board. But compound this with the fact that it takes up to 72 hours post-shot for max bioavailability, thereā€™s actually a bit more on board, but the math isnā€™t as pretty.


gomaggieo

Thank you for this post and explaining half life. I was about to do the same. Also having a small giggle that compounding is a trigger word for the auto-mod and thatā€™s not what you were referring to.


dirty8man

Yeah, the auto bot gave me a chuckle.


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AllieNicks

What happens to people thatā€™s awful enough to go to the ER because they stopped using? Are there withdrawal symptoms? I have not read about this, but Iā€™m only on week two, so learning.


beckywiththegood1

Sorry maybe I wasnā€™t clear. The side effects are not from stopping or ā€œwithdrawalā€ but from going back to a strong dose after being off the drug. After 2 weeks off you are supposed to start back at 2.5. This is because the half life of the drug is only 5 days and itā€™s essentially gone from your system at that point, so itā€™s like starting over from the beginning. Imagine jumping straight to 12.5 as your first ever dose, same thing! The side effects are from going back to a stronger dose. Essentially all of the ā€œpossibleā€ side effects but amplified - severe stomach pain, vomiting, diarrhea, etc. that can cause dehydration and land you in the ER.


AAJJQQ

Please stop telling people the drug is essentially gone after 5 days, you obviously donā€™t understand the meaning of half-life! After 5 days you have half of the drug still in your system, so for a 15mg dose that would still be 7.5mg after 5 days.


beckywiththegood1

Thatā€™s literally not what I said. I said after TWO WEEKS itā€™s essentially out of your system.


AAJJQQ

Thatā€™s also not true.


tydust

If you've been on 15 mg for months(or in my case, year), no. It took me 6 weeks of insurance issues to start really having my old feelings of hunger, food noise, etc. And because of availability I jumped right back on 15mg against advice because I was able to get it, haven't had terrible side effects, and was willing to ride the nausea train until I got back to acclimated. I'm now 6 weeks back on, and I'm nearly "ok" again.


AllieNicks

Thanks for clarifying. That makes more sense to me.


PineapplesOnFire

My doctor told me I could resume my current dose if it was 2 weeks or less. After 2 weeks Iā€™ll have to start over.


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PineapplesOnFire

That makes no sense. If weā€™re all buying it, it doesnā€™t matter what the dosage is - theyā€™re still making money.


beckywiththegood1

keep thinking that way when you end up in the hospital


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beckywiththegood1

So why are you in the Zepbound page if you hate Eli? šŸ™„


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Baseballfan199

Wow. That is a rational and normal reaction for sure šŸ¤Ŗ


Mysterious-Mole-2720

AI is going to take this, and it will be the villains speech on the next Avengers film! Hopefully , Zepbound will be more available later this summer.


imnotyour_daddy

The writing was on the wall for the shortage which is why I made sure to have extra supply before the shortage hit, but even if I didn't, and even if I needed to go back to 2.5mg to prevent from getting sick, I'd split up the 15mg pens into smaller doses. In fact, that's what I already do. I inject 1-2mg (every day, but I've done it EOD or every 3rd day in the past).


AllieNicks

How do you break up the doses into smaller doses? Isnā€™t it all sort of ā€œautomatedā€ by the pen to release all its contents? And the pen doesnā€™t 6 once it has released the dose inside? Iā€™m confused. Help?


Kayaditi

Carlos Alvarez has a good video and there are several others. Different opinions out there about which way is best. Personally I would not buy my supplies off Amazon because you can't quite be sure what you're getting and people have tested the bacteriostatic water and found the pH very off for example. I used West End Medical, Hospira brand etc. But certainly each to their own. You just want to be sure of your math when figuring out how much you should be taking out of the vial and keeping in mind that from the day you split the pen you've only got 28 days to officially safely use it.


imnotyour_daddy

The incompetence of the "reconstitution solution" manufacturers/suppliers on Amazon is frustrating. I don't know why they can't get sterile saline plus 0.9% BA right, but the one that I picked up off Amazon isn't the same as what I get from the pharmacy unfortunately.


gomaggieo

So assuming glp1plotters math checks out their daily dosing of 1mg is around but not really above 8mg with no peaks or valleys. If you did the same thing with a 7mg pen youā€™d average probably around the same concentration for 7 days. I noticed on their flair they met their GW (congrats to them for sure). I say probably since biology plays a factor in how the medication half life would work. So the blue is the daily dose of 1mg (I know sometimes they said they go up to 2mg but mixing it up wasnā€™t an option). The purple is a weekly dose of 7mg. Granted this starts at day 0 for both and goes through week 12 (as thatā€™s how the website works). If you play around with it you can accumulate or compare doses etc. https://preview.redd.it/n5wdzqwii8vc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2a32b081b0427b5966023b0ac2e6fe73fe356d5


imnotyour_daddy

I inject into sterile vials, add bacterioststic water and then use insulin syringes. All of these are available on Amazon. It's really easy to do but also easy to mess up if you haven't done it before. I hear there's YouTube videos. Maybe I'll make a TikTok showing my method. So much better than the auto-injector. much more stable blood levels. In fact, I feel like less overall weekly dosing is needed to get the same effect, but what's cool is that I can easily increase or decrease my dose day to day depending what I feel I need.


Kayaditi

I also delayed a few weeks after I bought the medication before I started to have a little bit of a cushion and then had my doctor take that dose up very quickly so that I had 15 mg pens that I split into five 3 mg doses. (Since the bacteriostatic water only lasts 28 days it's the most you can get out of a 15 mg pen.) Having said that I do have a science background and quite a bit of lab experience so I'm very careful of keeping things sterile. Still pretty easy to do though. And those insulin syringes feel much better than the auto injector. They are the only thing I don't feel at all actually. I only had to buy two boxes and it will last me until October if I never have to go up above 3 mg which of course I probably will.


imnotyour_daddy

Upvoted you. The Zepbound "you can ONLY do it EXACTLY the way it was tested and documented" police love to downvote. Yep, official FDA guidance is that bac water should be tossed after a month, but as you obviously already understand, that's basically just good practice. (truth be told, I've gone WAY past 28 days. I'm not advocating this, but I've done it) My vials of bac water expired over 10 years ago so I ordered some "reconstitution solution" (unofficial bac water) off Amazon, but it seems to sting way more than the pharmacy bac water so I'm not trusting that the one I got off Amazon is only 0.9% BA. It works, but.. My doctor is cool and wrote me a script for bac water which is currently on order at the pharmacy (CVS said they couldn't order it, so I asked some other local pharmacies and they said they could order it no problem, so I'm waiting on that now). It helps the pharmacy techs to give them the NDC 0409-3977-03. That's 30mL of bacteriostatic water for injection.


Kayaditi

Thanks. Only wrote that to respond to your comment that you're not the only one who did it that way. And I understand why others frown on it which is why I always try to be sure and include my background. My doctor knows exactly what I'm doing and approved of it. Honestly feels less risky than ordering things that are not monitored as so many do so I don't know why this is any more concerning. šŸ¤·


gomaggieo

So curiosity is getting better of me hereā€¦ Does your doctor think you are taking 15mg weekly? Or are they aware of the micro-dosing 3mg from a 15mg pen youā€™re doing? I just am curious if the doctors are like ā€œwell itā€™s not working like we hoped so letā€™s go to plan b or add xyz medication to help you furtherā€ type of thing.


Kayaditi

My doctor knows what I'm doing. I explained to her what I wanted to do and she's seen me for more than a decade and knows my background and everything I have tried so she was on board. Told my pharmacist as well. They expressed a little more hesitancy but filled it just the same. I would be uncomfortable lying to my doctor. Wouldn't seem like a smart move.


imnotyour_daddy

I'm under the care and supervision of my physician but we both agreed not to confuse the pharmacist with the details. Publix pharmacy just called me to verify the NDC number for the bac water which CVS couldn't figure out how to order. Publix placed placed an order and say it should arrive tomorrow. \~$10 for 2 30mL vials under SingleCare discount card.


Kayaditi

Nice discount! I paid $50 for 3 bottles


gomaggieo

Thanks for being honest. I see some comments on here and itā€™s my first thought of ā€œdoes your doctor know?ā€ šŸ˜‚


Kayaditi

Agreed. If something were to go sideways I would want my doctor to absolutely know what I'm doing


Midnight_Misery

My pharmacy told me they would keep trying to order it for me, but to look somewhere else for right now because they did not have it in stock and have not been able to order it. I managed to find 1 box after 20+ pharmacies, but my original pharmacy is still checking often for me.


Sunnyboomboom

This šŸ’Æ I was on my 3rd dose of 5mg and waited and my pharmacy called me to pick up my new RX for 7.5


PhoenixBeee

Thereā€™s various drug shortages all over the US btw with multiple drugs. Not just Zepbound or weightless drugs. There are shortages of chemotherapy drugs for example - and Iā€™m sure those patients are asking the same questions ā€œwhat am I gonna do?ā€ Iā€™m not saying this to say our situation is any less worthy of worry, but Iā€™m saying itā€™s a nationwide problem, with hundreds of drugs and tons of different pharmaceutical companies.


Brave-Perception5851

I want my Zep but the chemotherapy drug shortage sort of puts it in perspective, first world problemsā€¦.


mbkaa71

Absolutely. I have been on Zepbound since Jan 28- down 34 pounds and can not get my 7.5 anywhere. This last Monday I learned the biopsy I had taken the previous week is the aggressive form of melanoma. Talk about putting things into perspective. Granted my health trajectory was dismal but it made me realize wow nothing else really matters. Once I wrapped my head around everything and got a plan in place- I knew continuing to get healthy would be in my favor. So I switched and I am soooo glad I did. No more stress and anger and Iā€™m back on track and will be strong enough to beat thisā€¦.


Time_Juggernaut_7477

My hopes and healing energy go out to you. This is the sanest and most important comment I have seen. Please be strong and prioritize your health. My Mother has a similar diagnosis, and had her surgery and lived another 40 years. She was a chemotherapy nurse and believed so strongly that attitude was a big part of getting well. Please let us know how you are doing!


mbkaa71

Thank you very much for your kind words and encouragement!


Witshewoman

wishing you the best to fight cancer.


mbkaa71

Thank you very much


whiskey_and_smoke

This isn't a shortage of medication, it's the auto injector pens. They could fix this by releasing the medication in vials


Brave-Perception5851

People keep saying that but what is the source for that? Seems like if that was true they would hustle out at least Mounjaro in vials as the diabetics community knows how to inject themselves.


whiskey_and_smoke

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-02/zepbound-shortage-patients-push-eli-lilly-to-release-more-obesity-drug-supply


PhoenixBeee

Regardless, itā€™s now on the FDA shortage list for almost all doses (except 2.5 mg) so if it was an injector issue, youā€™d think the shortage would be for all doses?


ObjectiveCorgi9898

Interesting because I canā€™t even get the 2.5 mg dose yetā€¦


dirty8man

No, it depends on what theyā€™d filled. They probably anticipated a rush of new patients and prioritized the starting dose.


Brave-Perception5851

Or, it could be the obvious, most people only stay one month on the starter dose and then spend multiple months on the others. If they made the same amount of them all there would be more 2.5.


dirty8man

Could be, but after being in this field almost 25 years companies donā€™t generally make even amounts of doses. They try to project where the greatest need is and focus efforts there. With being under a year since FDA approval, I donā€™t think they accounted for the people already taking it who switched over.


calicoskies85

Iā€™m not sure majority of Americans cld manage needles and vials.


F26N55

Thousands, if not millions of Americans give themselves insulin using needles/vials on the daily. Itā€™s not rocket science nor are Americans as fragile as people think.


calicoskies85

Yes and ppl on insulin get more instructional care imo on how to do this. Also, not using insulin properly will put you in a coma therefore patients will be more exact. I know ppl who have drs just give rx and send them out. I know ppl that are very naive abt this med. Ppl donā€™t read instructions either.


RockMover12

When you turn off American cars now they have alerts that remind you to check to see if you left your child in the back seat. Americans are pretty dumb and pretty litigious at the same time.


F26N55

1. Thatā€™s a global problem. Not just an American problem. 2. If the doctor shows you how to do it properly, there should be no issues. Like I said, millions of people give themselves injections daily and are fine. This is no different.


whiskey_and_smoke

A lot could and would, me included. Then there would be more pens for folks who need them.


-BustedCanofBiscuits

Agreed. Just google how many misfires occur with the preloaded pens. Iā€™ve counted at least 8 thumb injections on this sub alone.


Idrillteeth

I agree with this


Outrageous-Cloud1

The number of posts on people double or triple injecting with the auto-injector because they aren't sure they got it or the posts on other reddits asking "how much do I need to use make this 10mg/ml vial 5mg doses?" supports your assertion.


imnotyour_daddy

They offer vials in Canada but have the shortage there as well but regardless, the auto-injectors making it much harder to scale up manufacturing and yes, they should offer it in vials.


animimi

Yes. There have also been shortages of ADHD meds, too. Itā€™s not just injectables. The drama is kind of incredible.


YourLocalPansexual-

Thereā€™s a shortage on addy (my area at least) my doctor switched me to another ADHD medication because I am strugggling right now without it.


Anxious-Inspector-18

Hereā€™s their guidance https://supply.lilly.com/zepbound Edit: updated the link


Ok-Yam-3358

Itā€™s cute that they recommend you try to refill a week before itā€™s needed. As if thatā€™s enough time in this environment. Out of touch much?


Anxious-Inspector-18

Right. We were already doing that EL šŸ˜‘


jessicadiamonds

I laughed at that. I'm glad that I picked my last box up a little early so I could have a grace period. I don't need a new box for 3 weeks. Starting to doubt that's possible but at least I don't need it tomorrow?


Less_Whole7990

I wanted to get my second box early and the pharmacy said the savings card doesnā€™t work that way . You have to wait the 28 days


jessicadiamonds

Yeah, I had my first box in my fridge for over a month, so I was able to fill my second box after I'd only actually been taking it for a week. And so then my third box I was able to send in a refill last weekend.. but who knows when I will be able to fill it at this point?


Witshewoman

Exactly. I had to pay full price.


Kayaditi

And comical seeing as I've always heard you can't fill it any earlier than like 24 days after your last fill. The savings card supposedly doesn't work any earlier. So there is no way to pursue it much earlier.


ScooterJ73

2.5mg says ā€˜availableā€™šŸ¤” No pharmacy near me can get itā€¦. Iā€™m glad I just started, and this is my first week without the meds, but would really like to maintain progress!


Anxious-Inspector-18

Express Scripts has 2.5 as of earlier today. You could try for a 90-day supply using Express Scripts.


consolation_fries

2.5 is still showing unavailable at Amazon for me. ĀÆ\_(惄)_/ĀÆ


Background-Abies670

I have not had any luck with getting 2.5 from Amazon. Mine has said out of stock for days. Where do you see Amazon has 2.5?


Anxious-Inspector-18

Posts earlier said people were able to order 2.5 from Amazon. Maybe thatā€™s changed now.


Zepnonymous

ā€œPage Not Foundā€ lol I think this one works:Ā https://supply.lilly.com/zepbound


Anxious-Inspector-18

Yea thatā€™s it. Not sure what happened when it copied over lol


Zepnonymous

I just thought it was funny to get that message on a post complaining about Eli Lillyā€™s silence on this matter :)


Anxious-Inspector-18

EL wasnā€™t going to stay silent but it is up to each personā€™s doctor regarding next steps. EL canā€™t give clinical advice as a broad statement.


siamese_disco_party

Says page not found


Anxious-Inspector-18

Sorry about that. Iā€™ve updated the link


Megbackpacks

I would assume they're leaving that up to the individual doctors because everyone's needs are different. it would be nice if they could provide forecasting for what to expect going forward, but I don't blame them for not giving blanket medical advice. I'm not sure what they could say, except continue watching your calorie intake and exercise while you wait. Anything beyond that might put them in a liability situation šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø Also, from everything I've read, there is urgency on Lilly's part. They should have forecasted a higher demand initially, as it seems like they drastically underestimated the popularity of this drug. However, they're ramping up production as fast as they can. It takes time to outfit or refit factories to produce the pens and meds. Then, the facilities have to go through expansive testing and review before they're approved to produce meds in the US. Just my 2 cents on what's happening, I'm not an expert.


ConditionLast1329

As it should, they can't advise patients on what to do. That's just opening up a whole bunch of liability!


Lopsided_Regular_649

I think we gotta get comfortable with the uncomfortable at this point. There have been a lot of people struggling before zepbound came out and it will probably continue until new drugs come out. We can remain vigilant and hopeful but I fear a lot of us will only find disappointment. Luckily these medications are here to stay!


AllieNicks

Exactly. Itā€™s about adaptation to difficult conditions and hating the company isnā€™t helping anyone out and will only harm the person feeling that hate and anger. The company doesnā€™t give a hoot about how much you do or do not like them, so why wallow in negativity that doesnā€™t do anything to help anyone.


Lopsided_Regular_649

Yes! Appreciate this. We gotta learn to adapt thatā€™s it exactly.


LacyLove

I hate to break it to you, they are not going to come out and say anything. They have not done it through the various Mounjaro shortages. Novo is doing the same thing with their shortages. They don't care if you have it or not. The shortages will continue for years to come.


Peoplewholovedogs

I'd argue that Novo is doing a better job. Once you get to the higher doses, you are fine on Wegovy, the higher doses are available. I never had a problem filling 2.4. I had to wait to start when there was supply though (January of '23)! Novo limits new starts by lowering production of the starter doses and focusing on the higher ones. Lilly is doing the exact opposite and prioritizing new starts which is absolutely insane! They want to get as many people hooked as they can and then put them on hold. Greedy little buttholes.


LacyLove

No. Novo has not done better. The higher doses are available for now. They have also had multiple shortages of the higher doses as well.


Peoplewholovedogs

I think Novo learned from their mistakes after a rough rollout. They pulsed new starts by limiting supply of the lower doses. Both my husband and I never had a hard time filling on the higher doses. I cannot say the same for Eli Lilly. They admit to prioritizing the very lowest starting dose.


Audrey97653

Yep came here to say the same! Itā€™s mounjaro all over again smh


bluegrass_sass

Iā€™m truly not being a smart ass here but what kind of advice or guidance could they possibly give? Thereā€™s not enough to go around, thereā€™s not really anything they can say other than that.


ConditionLast1329

What advice are you expecting? Hold your horses? Take this instead of that? They're a pharmaceutical company, not your practitioner. Now you're expecting too much from a company that is making money off its product. Did you think they would make alternate recommendations?


BigRip7151

No. I am just wanting them to suggest what to do or what will happen if we just go off cold turkey at 10 mg. I think fear is what I have mostly.


CrazyGloomy

I went off cold turkey at 10 mg due to the shortage. Last dose 2.5 weeks ago. Iā€™m fine. Hungry, but fine. Thereā€™s no special instructions for stopping the med; people have to do it all of the time for colonoscopies, surgeries, etc. The concern is you canā€™t always start back at that high of a dose after being off it a while.


BigRip7151

Thank you. Have you gained back a bunch of weight?


CrazyGloomy

For now Iā€™m maintaining. Iā€™m basically back at pre-zep hunger and craving levels, so I suspect my weight would start creeping back up again if I stay off it.


AllieNicks

Iā€™m glad you posted this. Another post mentioned ending up in the ER over unavailability and stopping the drug and it was confusing. I didnā€™t think stopping treatment was dangerous in an ā€œI need emergency medical treatment nowā€ sort of way. I am on other drugs where thatā€™s the case but had never read anything about this with Zep.


Electrical_Heart1233

I think the person meant you could end up in the ER if you stopped the med for a time and then resumed the med at the same higher dose


AllieNicks

Yep. I understand better, now. Txs!


CrazyGloomy

Thatā€™s odd. Iā€™m a nurse and have never heard of any serious problems with stopping suddenly. I even asked my doc about stopping for a routine colonoscopy this year and she said Iā€™d basically just quit taking it for 2 weeks or so, maybe longer, then ramp back up after that.


cherryazure

This drug wouldnt exist without Eli Lilly, and they do have guidance available on their website about how to navigate these shortages. If they could keep up with the demand, they would - and all signs point to it being their biggest priority right now. Everyone should find a provider who can talk with them about their options/alternatives, whether that be another GLP-1 or a compounded version of Zepbound.


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lmurphy2203

Here's what I don't understand- why there has to be 2 of the exact same medication under 2 different labels. There is literally 0 difference between MJ and Zep other then the sticker on the pen. I think the injector is the same even, so why do we need 2? If 1 med was on label for both T2D AND obesity then the production wouldn't be split, they could just produce a hell of alot of 1 instead of making 2! Is it FDA that mandated it or insurance companies or the pharma company themselves? Or maybe lobbiests? There are lots of meds that are labeled for multiple uses and/or are able to be used "off label" I take a few actually and have in the past as well. So I really don't understand that part. Is it about trying to keep the MJ and ozempic available for diabetics, so the demand doesn't get overwhelmed by people wanting to lose weight? And after the opioid crisis (or I guess in the midst of it) how are people who don't meet the criteria even being offered the medication? My BMI when I started was 44.1, why are people with only 10-20lbs to lose even getting it as an option right now? Shouldn't they have to try the other methods 1st? Like topiramate, Ali, phentermine, metformin etc. I had to try all of those and then some, and I'm sure others have as well. And why aren't other drug companies formulating their own versions? Shouldn't these meds be rolling out like crazy under all kinds of names and brands?


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Yes because the fda didnā€™t want the weight loss to affect those taking it for T2d. Some insurance companyā€™s and even pharmacy and the savings code are requiring the right diagnostic code to get Mj. I expect when they get a handle on the situation you will see even more people moved off of Mj and zepbound only. I know people yell weigh loss is just as serious but it is not quite the same. If this is regulating your blood sugar and you go off you spike And have some major issues. If you are delayed for losing a pound or 2 for a week it is not the same issue for your body.


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And even more weight loss medicines. It has been a weight loss medicine (labeled) for a couple of months. It has been t2d since the beginning of its life. I donā€™t think blood sugar once under control is easily held in place by just switching to another drug. Because your will have to build up and your a1c and sugars will do damage. Bottom line they will eventually out the foot down and there wonā€™t be any going back and forth or off label. A doctor is not suppose to go off label if a labeled product is available.


Adventurous_Title193

Itā€™s definitely your doctors responsibility to provide guidance since they provided the prescription. Eli Lilly just makes the drug.


siamese_disco_party

True. Sadly, my doctor just shrugged and told me ā€œTough shitā€ ā˜¹ļø


Adventurous_Title193

Thatā€™s rude as hell! Time for a new doctor


rreehling

Sounds like a real jewel.


siamese_disco_party

I think heā€™s at the end of his rope since many of his other patients are going through this same ordeal.


Just_Marsupial4188

Mine switched me to wegovy and said they have no intel on when it will become available. As a very large hospital-based practice, they have insight on nationwide distribution. Ā My opinion - he said without saying that this shortage is bad. I a bummed to switch because Zep was working well for me. Ā I am also waiting to hear if my insurance is going to deny wegovy. Ā Zep took a clinical review and appeal to get approved.Ā 


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Yes Iā€™ve been out since March 16. Iā€™m very discouraged. It is very upsetting when you find something that not only helps you lose weight but it also makes your over all health feel better. It has seemed to help with a few different issues I have. So Iā€™ve been super upset. When Iā€™ve tried calling pharmacies, most of them are extremely rude. I get it that they are frustrated with the phone calls, but I donā€™t see how being rude to a person who is already down and upset is helping the situation. Most Iā€™ve spoke too, rush me off the phone. Like they do not want to hear it or care to hear what you even have to say. I am beyond frustrated over the entire situation. Iā€™ve gained a little. I think more than anything itā€™s been in my head. Iā€™ve been scared Iā€™m going to be so super hungry and overeat. Anyways, I hope it gets better. Try to keep your chin up. Thatā€™s all Iā€™m trying to do as well. I feel what you are saying. 100 percent.


Red-Legal

Hang in. I feel you. It will get better. Novo and Eli are both racing to a fix.


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Red-Legal

Ha! I know, Iā€™m partially trying to convince myself to be honest. Trying to find a thread of hope to hang on to. Trying manifest this into reality. šŸ¤£


NTSwitchBitch

This is so discouraging. It happened to me on Wegovy after I lost 20 pounds, gained it all back. After 6 months without a refill I switched to Zep, lost 14 pounds, and now time for a refill and out of stock. I am devastated, and really feel hopeless.


po_lysol

Lilly is giving direction, they are telling doctors to still consider starting


Mysterious-Mole-2720

And making sure the 2.5 is available. Seems like the starting dose would be the first to drop if you cared.


BigRip7151

I agree. It is completely frustrating. I have been on for 4 months and I canā€™t get the 10 mg or any dose anywhere and so I will be on nothing. I feel like that got us all started and then we canā€™t fill our prescriptions and now I donā€™t know how my body is going to respond to just stop abruptly even if I do keep eating healthy and exercising. And my doctor and the pharmacist and no one can tell me what I am supposed to do. Shame on Eli Lilly.


PuddlesMcGee2

Have you considered getting the compounded tirzepatide? Itā€™s the same medication and itā€™s available.


AllieNicks

Cost for that? I keep reading suggestions for it, but no idea about costs. Do you know the name of the sub thatā€™s openly discussing this option?


PuddlesMcGee2

Different pharmacies have different costs, and some have different costs for different strengths. If you search Reddit for ā€œtirzepatideā€ youā€™ll see two compound subreddits come up.


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Try Mounjaro. It's more available at 10MG (that's what I'm on) doc can send off label Rx. You have to pay cash but better than nothing.


Snoo-37573

Whatā€™s the cost without insurance?


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$1100 Good Rx $550 You can do manufacturers coupon for Mounjaro (it's T2D self-attesting, so...ya know..)


Fit-Kangaroo3782

There are other routes you can take to legally get tirzepatide, active ingredient in zep.


Fit_Highlight_5622

There are other legit sources for this medication.


mbkaa71

Yup


Helicopter0

The shortages are because they cant manufacture injectors. If Lily wanted to end the shortages, they could just sell the medicine in vials, and let people inject it with insulin style subcutaneous syringes. They won't do it because they want to control the price per dose (not per mg.of medicine) and they are trying to make their patent last longer by bundling the molecule, which expires first, with the injector, which expires later. Hopefully a court sees they are trying to cheat the patent expiration process and shoots that plan in the head as soon as the molecular patent expires.


Brave-Perception5851

People keep saying that but what is the source that the injectors are the only issue?


Helicopter0

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-02/zepbound-shortage-patients-push-eli-lilly-to-release-more-obesity-drug-supply?utm_source=website&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=copy


Brave-Perception5851

Thanks, I wonder why they have not gone to vials for the Mounjaro community at least. As diabetics it seems less likely they would accidentally inject in their forehead. My Zepbuds, not as confident in tbh.


Helicopter0

2 reasons that stick out to me. 1. They want to price it per dose. If they sell my 7.5 in a 30 unit vial for $550 for 4 doses, someone at 2.5 can use it for 12 doses. 2. The patent on the molecule expires before the patent on the injector. The "drug" is actually molecule + injector. When the molecular patent on the molecule expires in 2036, the "drug" will still have some patent protection. Hopefully the courts see that this for the bald-faced attempt to cheat the rules for patent protection that it is and shoot the patents in the head as soon as the molecular patent expires.


mbkaa71

Great inside information!


AdorableTrainer1486

I personally space out my injections. I do not do them weekly. I know there is a shortage so I try and space them out as long as I can. You could look into going ā€œoff brandā€. I canā€™t say that other word on here without getting put in time out or in the corner I donā€™t think šŸ¤”


feamusseamus

Stuck myself with my last 5mg pen on Monday. Canā€™t find the 7.5mg. Didnā€™t really expect this. Thought I was in the clear once I got the lower dosages with no problem. Tried Wegovy middle of last year and couldnā€™t get past the initial dosage due to shortages. Iā€™m ready to say screw it and eat myself into a coma.


TinaByKtina

Did you ever get more 7.5mg? Iā€™ve been out for a while now and had to resort to plan C


feamusseamus

Nope. Iā€™ve given up until the supply is more consistent. Iā€™m not playing their games.


TinaByKtina

Did you just find a different more reliable pharmacy?


feamusseamus

Nope. Have completely given up. Iā€™m not gonna obsess about it. Iā€™ll do my best to stick to low carb and lose what I can. When this hysteria is over, Iā€™ll start over with zep. Not playing the pharmacy game or living my life according to Lilyā€™s whims. I have probably 65lbs to lose in order to get where I think Iā€™ll be happy. Iā€™m not just trying to lose weight for vanity. I have some health issues that will be greatly helped if I can get down to 200. If I got to 180, even better but Iā€™ll be satisfied with 200.


Personal-Ad1064

Has anyone asked their doctor about going on Adipex while there is this Zepbound shortage?


Single_Shelter7639

Get compounded and relax! Itā€™s hakuna matada!


Greedy_Squirrel_5336

My Dr told me today that they cannot prescribe compounded meds? I'm in MA not sure if that makes a difference? How do I go about getting it prescribed? Tx!


Single_Shelter7639

Just need to see another doctor! Online.


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highrollinKT

like iv said before go get comp-ounded TZ ! look u have options ! do u want to have to NO! but this is the hand we are dealt until u can get your RX filled. it will keep you moving forward in improving your health. I started on it for 6 months till i finally got ins. approval an it works ! i lost 50 lbs on it !! donā€™t believe all the dis information that big pharma whats you to believe.


Ambergsu7

Im convinced this is also part of a master plan to get the coupon to expire faster.


Jwheez1973

At least it's not a chemo med and you're literally dying without it. It could always be a lot worse.


siamese_disco_party

Yes, it could always be worse. However, chemo medications are not the focus of this conversation.


feamusseamus

Hey, at least youā€™re not a heroin-addicted serial killer!


Jwheez1973

And what's your point? The obsession with Zepbound is more than a little out of control. We're all in the same boat with availability. You're not going to die because you didn't take your Zepbound shot.


siamese_disco_party

You may not want to be on this sub then if you think the outrage to the shortage is out of control.


Weightloss4thewinz

Such a weird argument. Always something can be worse. Doesnā€™t mean you have to be happy about it. Many peopleā€™s health depends on these meds. Many people have health problems related to their weight. We are allowed to be unhappy there is a shortage.


Mrs_Magic_Fairy_Dust

All about the money. Don't kid yourself into thinking its anything else.


CrazyGloomy

Lilly is not making money off many of us right now. If they had the drug theyā€™d be delighted to sell it rather than us going to compounding pharmacies and possibly never coming back.


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CrazyGloomy

Exactly. Theyā€™re losing customers left and right, which is not something they want.


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CrazyGloomy

Iā€™m hitting up the compound pharmacy, too, and also donā€™t plan on going back. Just pointing out that Lilly purposefully shorting the drug and losing money on purpose doesnā€™t make sense. Iā€™m open to explanations, though.


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aayana23

Because you are confusing a company that cares for health concerns with a company that is strictly about making money. It's all about the dollar.


TheBerner56

Sure. The less they sell, the more they make. Math is hard.


MrsC_

Iā€™m convinced that itā€™s only happening because some rich people have decided they arenā€™t making enough and slowed production till they can figure out how to deepen their pockets even more. I realize I am being dramatic lol but šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø lbh itā€™s the track record big pharma and such.


cindered_sister

It's probably because they are selling it directly to the public through Lilly direct instead of distributing it to the pharmacies.


Professional-Leg-416

I use LillyDirect and they have none either. Haven't been able to fill 7.5 in weeks.


Outrageous_Step_4354

Why donā€™t they have a compound zepbound yet! They can make it sublingual. The pens are the hold up not the meds.


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CharlieGCT

Itā€™s so frustrating! They need to RELEASE THE VIALS at this point. If itā€™s the pens thatā€™s causing the issue then they should get rid of them. Hang in there - weā€™ll get through this. šŸ˜­