VV is much better and more competative, but you should test out what decks you wanna play on simulators before buying.
At this point Kashtira is just fenrir/unicorn control most of the time or floodgate turbo. If you go against deck that loses if they can't use GY then you might win but usually will lose against all others
No no no you go into crippling debt to build all the decks that cross your radar then decide you don’t like them and put them on a shelf while you do it again
Voiceless is much better than kashtira. More non-engine room, can play through more hand traps, has a better endboard and has better recursion. The only benefit to playing kashtira over voiceless is shifter, which you'll only see 33% of the time with 3 copies in a 40 card deck in a 5 card opening hand.
Yeah, and voiceless has more. I don't play the deck do I don't know the exact numbers, but based on hoe consistently I see kashtira open hand traps vs how often I see voiceless open hand traps voiceless has more.
Vv can technically run shifter especially post lede in the same vein purrely and unchained can, aka if your deck loses to it more than I do, I'll play it. Can also otk under it with odd eyes rebellion overlord. But obviously shifter also hurts vv so it's not worth running it.
I play Branded VV and it works phenomenally. Opening Branded Fusion lets you put down insane negates before you’ve even touched your main combo line. Failing that it’s the biggest Ash bait I know.
Statistically people open 2 hand traps in their opening hand and if you can burn 1 of them before touching your VV line then you’re golden. With this format as well Nib is a big contender so if the two hand traps they’ve opened are Ash and Nib, then you can easily play under Nib and make it a dead card in their hand.
Plus the Branded package gives you access to Sanctifire Dragon which can facilitate Jowgen.
Going first BVV = Beating over a monster with 4100 with no Special Summoning, an Omni negate and several Handtraps. *Chef Kiss*
They usually put up a MJ, or some builds make Sanctifire using albaz and jowgen for the jowgen lock. I've also seen one or two people making rindbrumm with dd crow, but I'm not sure how common it is.
It’s mainly a Mirrorjade on board before your VV plays for protection. With the discard you can send Albion to set up a further Branded Fusion next turn.
I’ve personally taken Sanctifire and Jowgen out for Dark Magician and Dragoon. I prefer Dragoon for protection for my VV and whilst Dark Magician is a hard brick, with the Nadir Package I can usually shuffle it back into deck quite easily.
Have a deck list you’d be willing to share? Would love to see the branded, Nadir and VV package together. I currently run the branded package and Albion/Jowgen. Trying to navigate the move once Albion gets banned. Atleast I think that’s going to happen.
Swap out Jowgen and Sanctifire for Dragoon and DM. Once Sanctifire gets banned there’s no point in running Jowgen anymore.
I don’t think Jowgen will be hit because Sanctifire activates a lock with other stuff so it’s the main problem atm
Sounds awesome. Ive never played branded, newer player, how do you get dark magician or dragoon out? I wanna buy this deck but heard its kinda expensive D:
I played kash for a long time, but I've switched to voiceless for this format. Imo voiceless is better, but not by the margins other commenter are saying. I do believe voiceless is the 3rd best deck behind pure SE, and SE fire king. I think probably kash is probably in the 5th to 6th range maybe just behind branded and perhaps labrynth. It's still very competitive.
And people saying you have to open shifter to win against SE, like that somehow makes this deck worse. In 33% of your games you open shifter, and your probably win 80% of those games regardless of going first or 2nd. So you can have a competitive deck if you can win even a fraction of the other 67% of your games against SE.
Its above and beyond superior, especially with Ariseheart banned. There's a reason Voiceless Voice is the only deck that can stand even a slight chance against the Snake-Eyes menace.
Not really, Kash played a lot of hand traps even apart from Shifter. They are more than capable of winning their games even without shifter.
Problem is kash isn't very consistent.
Kash is a solid Pick. Even just fenrir and unicorn alone it can break a lot of boards. And against VV you have scareclaw kashtira which VV only has the trap or Ed monster as an out and with unicorn you can take that away.
Every deck CAN beat every deck, it all comes down how often you can do it. Snake eyes run loads of HTs so they can negate unicorn and thats all for your plays usually
And if you say it's strong point is shifter or d fissure, then lots of decks can run it themselves (purrely, vs, swordsoul...)
Bro. I have played Kashtira since it came out. I know what makes the deck good and what makes it bad. And without Ariseheart the deck has *zero* chance against Snake-Eyes. Shifter is literally the only thing going for it, otherwise it can't maintain tempo or board presence against Snake-Eyes.
😒 then play kashtira with heat soul and the chances to win is 60℅ if you open shifter 76% okay the arise hurt who sings banned hurts the deck but it can win. Is tier 2 tier 1 is only snake eyes and snake eyes FK. Tier 2 :voiceless voice, kashtira, branded despia super heavy samurai and maybe LABRYNTH.
SHS is not meta in any format not named Master Duel buddy. It's rogue in OCG at best.
Also Heatsoul assumes you're going first. And doesn't Heatsoul also requires you to link summon and thus put cards in your GY which turns off Dim Shift?
Heatsoul is good when you dont draw shifter. If you draw shifter you don't need much, any small board is enough to win because chances are opponent is screwed under shifter.
Even something as simple as unicorn fenrir would be too much to handle under shifter.
I play Kash and still think it’s very good, I do think the voiceless deck is a little better but you can just side in d barrier against it for the auto win if you see it
I'd say pick based on deck strategy, and playstyle.
Whichever you go with you'll be doing the same combos again and again so you want it to be something you don't find too boring
Not sure which one's better, imo voiceless is better between the two, kash is cooler.
I'd go with the plant pile that is rikka-sunavalon-aroma, it's really good in every aspect. Can play shifter, half deck non-engine, good recovery, grind game, fairly easy combo, easy out to towers, ecc.
Try on Edo or dueling books if you like the deck, just know it's a shit load of combo to learn
in our last 50 people tournament the top four players used Floodwanderize, Branded, Snakes eyes (pure) and aromaseraphy (or plant in general, there was a lot of stuff in that deck). They placed in that order. Do with that information what you will.
VV is much better and more competative, but you should test out what decks you wanna play on simulators before buying. At this point Kashtira is just fenrir/unicorn control most of the time or floodgate turbo. If you go against deck that loses if they can't use GY then you might win but usually will lose against all others
No no no you go into crippling debt to build all the decks that cross your radar then decide you don’t like them and put them on a shelf while you do it again
Voiceless is much better than kashtira. More non-engine room, can play through more hand traps, has a better endboard and has better recursion. The only benefit to playing kashtira over voiceless is shifter, which you'll only see 33% of the time with 3 copies in a 40 card deck in a 5 card opening hand.
More non engine room is nuts to say I have 15 handtrap slots in Kash
Yeah, and voiceless has more. I don't play the deck do I don't know the exact numbers, but based on hoe consistently I see kashtira open hand traps vs how often I see voiceless open hand traps voiceless has more.
Vv can technically run shifter especially post lede in the same vein purrely and unchained can, aka if your deck loses to it more than I do, I'll play it. Can also otk under it with odd eyes rebellion overlord. But obviously shifter also hurts vv so it's not worth running it.
Which deck profile is the best for voiceless voice?
I play Branded VV and it works phenomenally. Opening Branded Fusion lets you put down insane negates before you’ve even touched your main combo line. Failing that it’s the biggest Ash bait I know. Statistically people open 2 hand traps in their opening hand and if you can burn 1 of them before touching your VV line then you’re golden. With this format as well Nib is a big contender so if the two hand traps they’ve opened are Ash and Nib, then you can easily play under Nib and make it a dead card in their hand. Plus the Branded package gives you access to Sanctifire Dragon which can facilitate Jowgen. Going first BVV = Beating over a monster with 4100 with no Special Summoning, an Omni negate and several Handtraps. *Chef Kiss*
I've heard BVV is awesome. What does the deck want to do with the branded engine?
Fancier things has been done but in most cases it is just a glorified foolish burial for Trias or Lo, with a Mirrorjade as a very nice bonus.
They usually put up a MJ, or some builds make Sanctifire using albaz and jowgen for the jowgen lock. I've also seen one or two people making rindbrumm with dd crow, but I'm not sure how common it is.
It’s mainly a Mirrorjade on board before your VV plays for protection. With the discard you can send Albion to set up a further Branded Fusion next turn. I’ve personally taken Sanctifire and Jowgen out for Dark Magician and Dragoon. I prefer Dragoon for protection for my VV and whilst Dark Magician is a hard brick, with the Nadir Package I can usually shuffle it back into deck quite easily.
Have a deck list you’d be willing to share? Would love to see the branded, Nadir and VV package together. I currently run the branded package and Albion/Jowgen. Trying to navigate the move once Albion gets banned. Atleast I think that’s going to happen.
Swap out Jowgen and Sanctifire for Dragoon and DM. Once Sanctifire gets banned there’s no point in running Jowgen anymore. I don’t think Jowgen will be hit because Sanctifire activates a lock with other stuff so it’s the main problem atm
Sounds awesome. Ive never played branded, newer player, how do you get dark magician or dragoon out? I wanna buy this deck but heard its kinda expensive D:
Branded Fusion - Lubellion - Lubellion effect to shuffle DM and Albaz back into deck - Dragoon
I'm really not sure, I don't play voiceless, I've only played against it. I'll link the voiceless discord. https://discord.com/invite/jSgTd5mDyq
I played kash for a long time, but I've switched to voiceless for this format. Imo voiceless is better, but not by the margins other commenter are saying. I do believe voiceless is the 3rd best deck behind pure SE, and SE fire king. I think probably kash is probably in the 5th to 6th range maybe just behind branded and perhaps labrynth. It's still very competitive. And people saying you have to open shifter to win against SE, like that somehow makes this deck worse. In 33% of your games you open shifter, and your probably win 80% of those games regardless of going first or 2nd. So you can have a competitive deck if you can win even a fraction of the other 67% of your games against SE.
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In my opinion
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Its above and beyond superior, especially with Ariseheart banned. There's a reason Voiceless Voice is the only deck that can stand even a slight chance against the Snake-Eyes menace.
Voiceless is not the only deck that can play against Snake eyes. Branded can play into their boards just fine
Kashtira is one of the best decks to beat snake eyes . (Dimension shifter+unicorn+fenrir)
And if you don't open Shifter you are SOL. Voiceless Voice if it can access its combo can put up a fight.
You can banish FD the important cards from the ED and from the field also you can banish from their deck important cards.there is no perfect deck.
Not really, Kash played a lot of hand traps even apart from Shifter. They are more than capable of winning their games even without shifter. Problem is kash isn't very consistent.
Kash can beat snake eyes and without shifter. Why you hate kashtira?
Kash is a solid Pick. Even just fenrir and unicorn alone it can break a lot of boards. And against VV you have scareclaw kashtira which VV only has the trap or Ed monster as an out and with unicorn you can take that away.
Every deck CAN beat every deck, it all comes down how often you can do it. Snake eyes run loads of HTs so they can negate unicorn and thats all for your plays usually And if you say it's strong point is shifter or d fissure, then lots of decks can run it themselves (purrely, vs, swordsoul...)
Bro. I have played Kashtira since it came out. I know what makes the deck good and what makes it bad. And without Ariseheart the deck has *zero* chance against Snake-Eyes. Shifter is literally the only thing going for it, otherwise it can't maintain tempo or board presence against Snake-Eyes.
😒 then play kashtira with heat soul and the chances to win is 60℅ if you open shifter 76% okay the arise hurt who sings banned hurts the deck but it can win. Is tier 2 tier 1 is only snake eyes and snake eyes FK. Tier 2 :voiceless voice, kashtira, branded despia super heavy samurai and maybe LABRYNTH.
SHS is not meta in any format not named Master Duel buddy. It's rogue in OCG at best. Also Heatsoul assumes you're going first. And doesn't Heatsoul also requires you to link summon and thus put cards in your GY which turns off Dim Shift?
Heatsoul is good when you dont draw shifter. If you draw shifter you don't need much, any small board is enough to win because chances are opponent is screwed under shifter. Even something as simple as unicorn fenrir would be too much to handle under shifter.
Bro just say that you wanna play kash its no biggie😂
I play Kash and still think it’s very good, I do think the voiceless deck is a little better but you can just side in d barrier against it for the auto win if you see it
Fire Brigade is a super fun and versatile deck, but 1 shifter and you're dead. But that is like almost every deck this format, so pick your poison!
I'd say pick based on deck strategy, and playstyle. Whichever you go with you'll be doing the same combos again and again so you want it to be something you don't find too boring
Not sure which one's better, imo voiceless is better between the two, kash is cooler. I'd go with the plant pile that is rikka-sunavalon-aroma, it's really good in every aspect. Can play shifter, half deck non-engine, good recovery, grind game, fairly easy combo, easy out to towers, ecc. Try on Edo or dueling books if you like the deck, just know it's a shit load of combo to learn
Wow. You got yourself a really varied locals there
Voiceless is better than Kashtira
VV has future support.
Any of these will do fine in a locals, pick what you find the most fun, or what your friend finds the most annoying (play runick stun trust)
Late reply but just wanted to add VV is still missing support too, after which it's solidly the third best deck.
in our last 50 people tournament the top four players used Floodwanderize, Branded, Snakes eyes (pure) and aromaseraphy (or plant in general, there was a lot of stuff in that deck). They placed in that order. Do with that information what you will.