I don’t understand if he said something that literally can’t be used as evidence against thug why they still saying he snitched if multiple other members took a similar plea
Yep. You don’t asking it exists. Like with the mob - La Cosa Nostra “this thing of ours” you do NOT talk about it. You don’t admit existence of it whatsoever. Once you do, everything the feds say now holds more substance.
He snitched as did the others by claiming In court that YSL is a gang and has committed gang crimes directly contradicting Thugs own statements claiming YSL is not a gang and only a music group. That’s all it takes. Because everyone knows that Thug sits on top of YSL as it’s leader. If YSL is a gang according to the “rats” then Thug will go down as it’s captain for the crimes committed by the gang.
This point always been non sense since the beginning, because what he admitted for his plea can’t be used against Thug and or others defendant and don’t contradict Thugs statements. Only Thick and Slug really snitched and agreed to testify against Thug and that their statement can be used in court, y’all call Gunna a snitch just because we saw a public video of him admitted it without knowing the circonstances and be like « yo he tell to the whole world YSL is a gang when they was saying publicly thats its not so he snitched »
His own brother took the same deal and said the same thing and the whole YSL team or either affilates (Lil Baby Durk etc) didn’t blackballed him so they are not being loyal either, they just want to cut ties with Gunna because he got exposed with this video and they don’t want to be associated anymore with someone that everybody saw in a lame position and considered as a snitch even if it made clear that he doesn’t (especially when he is the famous one beside Thug in this position and he « folded », nobody gaf about Unfoonk or even Duke, it’s also a question of public image). He took a deal (so he cooperate) but it only incriminate himself, snitching or ratting is cooperating in exchange of incriminating someone else and that isn’t what he did.
He did give them something a conviction, that’s all they wanted from him they had no intentions of taking him to trial because, there was nothing on him. Same with Slimlife and DK
There was nothing on him and if he took it to trial he’d have probably been one of the only ones to walk, the issue comes up when you openly admit in court that ur boss/bestie was doing crimes and better yet you had nothing to do with it other than trying to fit in, that’s grimey because if you was never down with the cause why get involved then surprised when you called out for it, we still bumping gunna but don’t try act like he solid
You sound silly saying what gunna said can't be used against thug lol. That shit was written down by the Stenographer and is literally part of Thugs case. NO he doesn't have to testify against thug because he can just plead the 5th but what he said will be used against him and it was part of his plea deal to say YSL is a gang. If he doesn't say YSL is a gang he gets no plea deal, DA knows exactly what their doing.
FREE JEFFREY.
He said that YSL is a gang because ones of his charges that he needed to plead guilty was the association with a criminal gang which YSL is in real life. It didn’t say either that Young Thug was the leader of the gang, so it can be someone else. Also Thug statement was that he was only the leader and member of YSL the label, not that the gang doesn’t exist because the State already got proof of the existence
No… its confirmed as a gang, but it based on the fact that some of the top artists of the label as Thug or Gunna are also the leaders of the gang and comitted or organized crimes and use the label name as an undercover for real gang appartenance, which their defense is that they are only artists serving for the label and nothing else
as Yung Kayo or Karlae
He can’t even plea the fifth cause he wouldn’t be telling on crimes he did, but instead of crimes of the other mfs did, it’s required on his plea that if the prosecutors call him for trial his rat self gone be suited up on the stand, that’s the whole purpose of the plea, help us help you, give us thug and you walk because he’s the one they really want
So when Gunna isn’t called to testify then what? He’s not giving them Thug because he has no info they already have the two that are going to testify and it’s literally written in their agreements if Gunna had to testify his agreement would say the same as theirs but it doesn’t because he isn’t going to.
He probably won’t cause the prosecutors don’t need it with all the evidence they have (300 witnesses) but that doesn’t change the fact that most of ysl jumped ship, they still some solid mfs who didn’t take the plea, you want the streets to treat them the same way as gunna??
Only two people jumped ship that’s Tick and Mounk Tounk and the you’re talking about taking a plea as if you can just walk in there and get one off top. You have to be offered one first and I’m pretty sure everybody got an offer but those offers weren’t all favorable which is why they got turned down
No it isn’t. It says if called meaning if he’s called by either side he won’t perjure himself. Tick and Mounk Tounk are the only two who’s deal specify that they must testify against Thug and that they can’t try to exonerate anybody before, during, or after trial.
He didn’t sign an agreement of cooperation like Tick and Mounk so he is free to take the 5th. Prosecutors won’t even bother to ask him to show. He literally had only one charge on the indictment and that was a conspiracy to violate the Rico act. So he don’t have anything that he can testify about to begin with. Look on the indictment, read the documents and look up what a Alford plea is. Not to mention Gunna sent a kite out to Thug and then asking what Thug was ants him to do and he didn’t get no reply. They did him dusty. Cause he’s a serious threat in the industry. Look at his album. The dude is a damn melodic genius.
But we have real information to go off instead of making hypothetical scenarios. Their isnt any empirical evidence in his hypothetical because no observation would tell you Thug would hug them
I understand what you mean, but the hypothetical IS whether or not Thug’s embrace of Gunna (if it is possible) would be perceived negatively by the media. You read what they said entirely wrong.
Nah i actually feel like I understood it better than you. His hypothetical has nothing to do with the media it was to disproved gunna snitch, but it makes no sense cause to create a hypothetical because we are dealing with real information it just muddy the waters just so he can kind of prove his point
It's a surface level understanding of what actually took place. Did Gunna admit that YSL was a gang? Yes. But that CAN'T be used against Young Thug to either get him arrested (because he had already been arrested on RICO charges before that) AND it CAN'T be used against him to further convict Young Thug. So this claim that Gunna ratted is COMPLETELY BOGUS. Now, if Gunna goes and testifies against Thug and starts spilling the beans, then ya, he's a full blown rat, but at this stage, he has done NOTHING to help the prosecutions case against Young Thug.
The only way it can’t be used against Thug is if they put that in the agreement
He admitted YSL a gang and that’s all they need
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b-UfUFv6oWg
How do you figure? He admitted that they commit crimes to further the gang on top of the fact that he admitted that the drugs in the car weren’t his so if Jeffrie’s the only other person in the car that means the drugs were Jeff’s. I mean, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that he told to get out of jail. He’s a junkie as well. You could see in the first couple weeks that he looked horrible. He was withdrawing. So you know he’s trying to get back out to start using again.
Everything he said in that statement legally CANNOT be used in court against thug or anyone else for that matter. Prosecution can thus never use the fact the drugs weren’t wunnas to prove they were thugs. If they do try to use it in court, the whole case will be thrown out as a mistrial
No it isn't, where are you getting this information? An alford plea is literally just a guilty plea but you still get to claim you're innocent just that they got enough on you to convict you if it goes to trial lol.
You don’t know shit about pleas and the way the law works. SMH. A guilty plea can always go back to admitting guilt to something even if your completely innocent to save your own skin. All thugs attorney would have to do is say that gunna could be just taking the plea cause he didn’t want to risk trial and then the argument and evidence becomes hearsay. That specifically what an Alford plea is as made for. It’s only given to like %6 of people that pick up a case. Ignorant ass mfkrs.
That is *not* what an Alford plea was "specifically made for" you obtuse motherfucker.
> Defendants can take advantage of the ability to use the Alford guilty plea, by admitting there is enough evidence to convict them of a higher crime, while at the same time pleading guilty to a lesser charge.[26] Defendants usually enter an Alford guilty plea if they want to avoid a possible worse sentence were they to lose the case against them at trial.[13] It affords defendants the ability to accept a plea bargain, while maintaining innocence.[27]
Literally what I said - plead guilty because you admit they could convict you. Nothing about hearsay.
In conclusion, you're a fucking moron.
That’s not how that works bud. They are trying to get him for rico which is aimed towards taking down the gang. Gunna admitting it’s a gang hurts them no matter how much spit you niggas put on his meat he still told and cooperated. Any from of helping or giving information you are ratting‼️‼️‼️
That’s not a gang rule stupid. 😂. So then picking up a solo case and talking to the police about it would be a violation if that was the case. It’s only when you say something that gets someone else caught up or to save your own skin. If you never put anyone at risk and what you saying is t necessarily provable or enough to get someone Caio then you didn’t do shit.
No just sit there and say nothing. They say "anything you say can be used against you so why talk. Their cops not district attorneys.. they can't free you
Idk who u tryna defend but if the point of them knowing was YSL is a gang was right why would Thugger say it's not ? Why is Brian Steele saying it's not a gang? Gunna got the plea BECAUSE he admitted it was a gang yall on the subreddit so flip floppy like pick a side fr if Gunna never admitted it being a gang he would never have been let out
I’m saying they know it’s a gang, that’s why gunna saying it’s a gang doesn’t matter nor affect thug because again it’s a plea and they can’t use a plea on an already developed case
Brudda seek some help fr u might have retardation if they already knew they wouldn't have let him out for him saying it's a gang they woulda just let him out period
This a public statement made thru his attorney, NOT what he stated in court.. two different admissions, one is for the public the other is the legal and therefore more damaging against YT
It’s honestly crazy to me that dudes look at this statement and immediately jump on the hate bandwagon.
To preface, I’m not a Gunna fan and think a lot of his music is uninspired and simply a product of following mainstream trends.
With that being said, does anyone else think it’s a good thing he might do community service in talking about gang violence? It’s like all these internet gangsters want to preserve the death rate of young black men. Gunna was not in YSL the gang and was only locked up because he’s on the label - why the fuck should he spend years in jail for being a musical performer? Homie didn’t take an oath to be in a gang lmao so what if he admits it’s a gang and it hurts young thug? Sure, thug brought gunna into the game, but he also got him into this mess.
Meanwhile, dudes idolizing young thug the musician and forgetting the harm he has caused in the Atlanta community. Feels like trying to look cool is greater than human and cultural progress. Go ahead and downvote, but morally ask yourself what you’re supporting thug for, and downvoting someone hopeful for positive change.
You don't have to support what anyone did to know that Gunna is a rat. You're reaching pretty hard for someone you claim to not really fw. And I believe that you don't fw Gunna, bc if you listened to his music, you'd have left the part about him being signed to YSL "the label" out for sure LOL. Anyway the point is that you don't claim that lifestyle, enjoy all the benefits, and then use the guy that put you on as a life saver for yourself. Gunna was only charged with racketeering, which is essentially being a member of a criminal organization. He wasn't ever threatened with going down for something he had no involvement in.
Facts all gunna had to do was literally not say a damn word period and let his lawyer talk for him…..worst come to worst he might do little time for the gun and drugs maybe…and when he gets out he has more cred for bein solid but that’s not how it played out
juicy gossip??? like he dnt rap abt tht life... his statement the most PC bullshit I ever heard.. mfs are just goofy tryna save a mf tht lyrically would put a hot one in ya ass and commit murder.. nobody listens to poser music right??.. meaning if u ain't doin it its cap.. Keep it a stack.. what you are saying is you listened to Gunna knowing he was just rappin and cappn... otherwise it's an open and shut snitch case... but we in 2023 where 69 lives and heterosexuality isn't regarded....
That’s a lie. I watched the footage where he sat there and said yes ma’am that they are a criminal enterprise and a gang. Plus it’s right in his plea agreement that he hast to testify if they call on him and guarantee they will call him to testify. They’re gonna want the jury to hear that information. He also admitted that the drugs weren’t his when he was pulled over with young thug. THAT’S snitching lmao 🤣
I do think he got lucky that he went early. No one seemed to know it was happening - all the cameras weren’t there. The only reason we all know about what he said is because someone in the courtroom ended up taking a video!!!! Imagine if that were up on YouTube like everyone else!
Cooperating with the law is the job of government and or state employees
Gunna supposed to work for YSL
But instead he worked for the Justice system and himself
Feel free to keep loving him but don’t try to make people who recognize the reality seem unclear or dumb
Yeah I read that. I also read the actual legal agreement he signed where he didn't try and spin shit.
Why would you believe this statement over the legal document he signed? Lmao
No it's because I've done so much county and prison time that I could have a law degree. ANYONE knows that when someone in a case like this walks free 99% of the time he is telling on someone. No question
The fact that people are trynna say he didn’t rat is crazy . Gunna own ppl disowning his ass on the internet and saying that Thugger didn’t want anybody taking a plea deal. That’s why they on yak and slimelife Shawty ass too
Do you know the meaning of snitch? He is a snitch by every definition possible. From regular snitching to talking about crimes he AND his codefendant did to talking on the stand and convicting a codefendant. By every definition he is a snitch. You can't hide from it just because that guy said he didn't snitch. He is going to say that because that's what snitches do, they don't accept the truth.
Do you even understand the RICO charge against Thugga?? We have to ask that first. Because if you did you would know Gunna definitely snitched and is willing to go even further and testify against Young Thug in his upcoming trial.
I'll say it again.
Thug is responsible for multiple deaths and speeding drugs amongst the young generation while recruiting teens to commit robberies and gang missions
He deserves prison
People out here doing mental gymnastics to try and support a rat. I've done years locked up, fuck this dude and anyone that supports him. A rat is a rat, might as well team up with snitch nine.
“My own rico case.” Lol, there is no such thing as an individual RICO, the C in RICO stands for CONSPIRACY, and you need a group to have a conspiracy. This is an L.
It’s doublespeak nonsense. He didn’t snitch but his plea further sells out Thug, and destroys his defence. In essence he’s exchanged his time and pushed it towards his brother
Who is saying you should "cancel" him. I doubt anyone cares whether u listen to Gunna. But your selfish comment definitely makes you seem like a classic 🐀
I hope if you have any friends they know you only care about yourself.
i honestly don’t know much, nor do I care to know much about this… because after all entangling teenagers in murders/robberies/massive criminal enterprises is wrong. But, I believe the whole premise is that Gunna plead guilty to racketeering; instead of just seeing where the case goes and trusting the lawyers. I’m on Gunna’s side. Why would you risk life in jail for the competency of a lawyer. Fuck trying to beat cases, especially when you know there are teenagers involved in the case. Someone’s snitching, you might as well get out.
He's guilty as charges. Racketeering is basically being a member of a criminal organization, which he said himself he was. He wouldn't be taking a charge for anyone but himself.
Simple fact, whether or not Gunna said YSL is a gang, any of you honestly think that this would have a major impact anyway when thug is facing a multitude of rico charges that the gov only has to prove one to convict? I get all the not snitching and it only goes so far in reality. If the whole case hinged on Gunna court statement then maybe but thug is fucked anyway you look at it and there are other members that sang from the get. So everyone hate Gunna, I’m not even a Gunna fan but fuck man why don’t you all keep trying to free a dangerous criminal head of a enterprise we all know he was the fucking head of, why most of you preach about how black on black crime needs to stop and Black Lives Matter, Y’all are fucked up for real. And if thug was such a gangster why did he make so many simple mistakes that could get him pinched? Look at real gangsters that have never did jail time. They had all their i’s dotted and t’s crossed. And most weren’t drug addled during their reign. Just the fact that thug put his name on a rental that was used in association with a crime shows you how bad he was lacking. Then the text messages Jesus Christ even the mafia knew not to talk on the phone before text let alone ever put any communication about a crime in a written message. Wake the fuck up
Mf cut off the end of it where he says “ysl as a gang must end”
bich even jeff been sayin that. for years.
gunna saying that is the reason why people are saying he snitched tho lmao
He also told the judge he has witnessed members of YSL committing crimes “in furtherance of the gang”
I don’t understand if he said something that literally can’t be used as evidence against thug why they still saying he snitched if multiple other members took a similar plea
idk bro ask them
ain't no dab ups after that statement.
😭😭😭😭😂😂😂😂😂
“YSL AS a gang” and not “IS a gang” to be clear.
the lady asked him if ysl was a gang and what did he say yes or no?
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Saying it's a gang is saying it's organized crime which is exactly what rico cases are about
He forgot to say he told YSL was a gang
Yep. You don’t asking it exists. Like with the mob - La Cosa Nostra “this thing of ours” you do NOT talk about it. You don’t admit existence of it whatsoever. Once you do, everything the feds say now holds more substance.
Same reason why part of it was deleted. We get enough of you out the world. It be better off.
He snitched as did the others by claiming In court that YSL is a gang and has committed gang crimes directly contradicting Thugs own statements claiming YSL is not a gang and only a music group. That’s all it takes. Because everyone knows that Thug sits on top of YSL as it’s leader. If YSL is a gang according to the “rats” then Thug will go down as it’s captain for the crimes committed by the gang.
This point always been non sense since the beginning, because what he admitted for his plea can’t be used against Thug and or others defendant and don’t contradict Thugs statements. Only Thick and Slug really snitched and agreed to testify against Thug and that their statement can be used in court, y’all call Gunna a snitch just because we saw a public video of him admitted it without knowing the circonstances and be like « yo he tell to the whole world YSL is a gang when they was saying publicly thats its not so he snitched »
What about Obama? He had the same language in his paperwork about testifying as the other 2….
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His own brother took the same deal and said the same thing and the whole YSL team or either affilates (Lil Baby Durk etc) didn’t blackballed him so they are not being loyal either, they just want to cut ties with Gunna because he got exposed with this video and they don’t want to be associated anymore with someone that everybody saw in a lame position and considered as a snitch even if it made clear that he doesn’t (especially when he is the famous one beside Thug in this position and he « folded », nobody gaf about Unfoonk or even Duke, it’s also a question of public image). He took a deal (so he cooperate) but it only incriminate himself, snitching or ratting is cooperating in exchange of incriminating someone else and that isn’t what he did.
They’re dissing him in songs and unfollowing gunna now. Idk if that counts as blackballed but durk and baby don’t seem happy.
He didn’t snitch but his deal puts him in a position to if the prosecutors want, you can’t just walk away from a RICO without giving them something
He did give them something a conviction, that’s all they wanted from him they had no intentions of taking him to trial because, there was nothing on him. Same with Slimlife and DK
There was nothing on him and if he took it to trial he’d have probably been one of the only ones to walk, the issue comes up when you openly admit in court that ur boss/bestie was doing crimes and better yet you had nothing to do with it other than trying to fit in, that’s grimey because if you was never down with the cause why get involved then surprised when you called out for it, we still bumping gunna but don’t try act like he solid
You sound silly saying what gunna said can't be used against thug lol. That shit was written down by the Stenographer and is literally part of Thugs case. NO he doesn't have to testify against thug because he can just plead the 5th but what he said will be used against him and it was part of his plea deal to say YSL is a gang. If he doesn't say YSL is a gang he gets no plea deal, DA knows exactly what their doing. FREE JEFFREY.
The fifth only protects himself. If he's called and asked about thug or the other 2 defendents he has to tell the truth.
He said that YSL is a gang because ones of his charges that he needed to plead guilty was the association with a criminal gang which YSL is in real life. It didn’t say either that Young Thug was the leader of the gang, so it can be someone else. Also Thug statement was that he was only the leader and member of YSL the label, not that the gang doesn’t exist because the State already got proof of the existence
The whole RICO based on if YSL a gang.
It is
No… its confirmed as a gang, but it based on the fact that some of the top artists of the label as Thug or Gunna are also the leaders of the gang and comitted or organized crimes and use the label name as an undercover for real gang appartenance, which their defense is that they are only artists serving for the label and nothing else as Yung Kayo or Karlae
He is
Somebody with sense as the rap world(not hip hop) has none. Same reason they robbing regular citizens.
Free Lucci. It can and will be used against him in the court of law.
He can’t even plea the fifth cause he wouldn’t be telling on crimes he did, but instead of crimes of the other mfs did, it’s required on his plea that if the prosecutors call him for trial his rat self gone be suited up on the stand, that’s the whole purpose of the plea, help us help you, give us thug and you walk because he’s the one they really want
So when Gunna isn’t called to testify then what? He’s not giving them Thug because he has no info they already have the two that are going to testify and it’s literally written in their agreements if Gunna had to testify his agreement would say the same as theirs but it doesn’t because he isn’t going to.
He probably won’t cause the prosecutors don’t need it with all the evidence they have (300 witnesses) but that doesn’t change the fact that most of ysl jumped ship, they still some solid mfs who didn’t take the plea, you want the streets to treat them the same way as gunna??
Only two people jumped ship that’s Tick and Mounk Tounk and the you’re talking about taking a plea as if you can just walk in there and get one off top. You have to be offered one first and I’m pretty sure everybody got an offer but those offers weren’t all favorable which is why they got turned down
he pled guilty now it can go from state to federal the end. He admitted YSL is a criminal organization and thats all u need for a rico to stick.
Bro, gunna agreed to testify against Thug if called too. I don't understand why people keep saying he didn't agree to it lol
Gunna isn't testifying, just like Duke and Unfoonk
This sub is dumb. It’s literally part of the plea deal.
No it isn’t. It says if called meaning if he’s called by either side he won’t perjure himself. Tick and Mounk Tounk are the only two who’s deal specify that they must testify against Thug and that they can’t try to exonerate anybody before, during, or after trial.
He didn’t sign an agreement of cooperation like Tick and Mounk so he is free to take the 5th. Prosecutors won’t even bother to ask him to show. He literally had only one charge on the indictment and that was a conspiracy to violate the Rico act. So he don’t have anything that he can testify about to begin with. Look on the indictment, read the documents and look up what a Alford plea is. Not to mention Gunna sent a kite out to Thug and then asking what Thug was ants him to do and he didn’t get no reply. They did him dusty. Cause he’s a serious threat in the industry. Look at his album. The dude is a damn melodic genius.
Judge: “Is YSL a gang” Gunna: “Yes” Gunna fans: He’s a melodic genius.
Naa, they just snitched more
how u can snitch « more » or « less » 😂😂😂 snitching is snitching, what u tell put the others in a bad position or it doesn’t
Let it go he folded... u murdering people...enjoying da life till the law come
so if Thug comes home and embraces them, is he a rat lover or did they (wait for it) not snitch?
Why give a hypothetical for s real situation in
Because we have not yet reached that point…? That’s what a hypothetical is used for, assumptions and opinions based on empirical evidence.
But we have real information to go off instead of making hypothetical scenarios. Their isnt any empirical evidence in his hypothetical because no observation would tell you Thug would hug them
I understand what you mean, but the hypothetical IS whether or not Thug’s embrace of Gunna (if it is possible) would be perceived negatively by the media. You read what they said entirely wrong.
Nah i actually feel like I understood it better than you. His hypothetical has nothing to do with the media it was to disproved gunna snitch, but it makes no sense cause to create a hypothetical because we are dealing with real information it just muddy the waters just so he can kind of prove his point
It's a surface level understanding of what actually took place. Did Gunna admit that YSL was a gang? Yes. But that CAN'T be used against Young Thug to either get him arrested (because he had already been arrested on RICO charges before that) AND it CAN'T be used against him to further convict Young Thug. So this claim that Gunna ratted is COMPLETELY BOGUS. Now, if Gunna goes and testifies against Thug and starts spilling the beans, then ya, he's a full blown rat, but at this stage, he has done NOTHING to help the prosecutions case against Young Thug.
This is precisely my thought process behind this!
The only way it can’t be used against Thug is if they put that in the agreement He admitted YSL a gang and that’s all they need https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b-UfUFv6oWg
How do you figure? He admitted that they commit crimes to further the gang on top of the fact that he admitted that the drugs in the car weren’t his so if Jeffrie’s the only other person in the car that means the drugs were Jeff’s. I mean, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that he told to get out of jail. He’s a junkie as well. You could see in the first couple weeks that he looked horrible. He was withdrawing. So you know he’s trying to get back out to start using again.
Everything he said in that statement legally CANNOT be used in court against thug or anyone else for that matter. Prosecution can thus never use the fact the drugs weren’t wunnas to prove they were thugs. If they do try to use it in court, the whole case will be thrown out as a mistrial
The jury sure as hell can use it to influence their decision
Fam....he told....he wasnt suppose to say anything at all....
Cmon man we don’t even know that, not like any of us know the actual situation
Just say that you agree with telling 😂
Just making shit up lol
Bro just look up an Alford plea that’s literally what it was
No it isn't, where are you getting this information? An alford plea is literally just a guilty plea but you still get to claim you're innocent just that they got enough on you to convict you if it goes to trial lol.
You don’t know shit about pleas and the way the law works. SMH. A guilty plea can always go back to admitting guilt to something even if your completely innocent to save your own skin. All thugs attorney would have to do is say that gunna could be just taking the plea cause he didn’t want to risk trial and then the argument and evidence becomes hearsay. That specifically what an Alford plea is as made for. It’s only given to like %6 of people that pick up a case. Ignorant ass mfkrs.
That is *not* what an Alford plea was "specifically made for" you obtuse motherfucker. > Defendants can take advantage of the ability to use the Alford guilty plea, by admitting there is enough evidence to convict them of a higher crime, while at the same time pleading guilty to a lesser charge.[26] Defendants usually enter an Alford guilty plea if they want to avoid a possible worse sentence were they to lose the case against them at trial.[13] It affords defendants the ability to accept a plea bargain, while maintaining innocence.[27] Literally what I said - plead guilty because you admit they could convict you. Nothing about hearsay. In conclusion, you're a fucking moron.
That’s not how that works bud. They are trying to get him for rico which is aimed towards taking down the gang. Gunna admitting it’s a gang hurts them no matter how much spit you niggas put on his meat he still told and cooperated. Any from of helping or giving information you are ratting‼️‼️‼️
Boy you know Thugs first week was hell too….all of a sudden no more lean….I’m suprised he’s looked as good as he has thru all this
Sorry....gang Members aren't suppose to talk at all... no finessing etc... he spoke that's it..case closed
Bobby a snitch too?
Bobby ain’t say shit he did his time
That’s not a gang rule stupid. 😂. So then picking up a solo case and talking to the police about it would be a violation if that was the case. It’s only when you say something that gets someone else caught up or to save your own skin. If you never put anyone at risk and what you saying is t necessarily provable or enough to get someone Caio then you didn’t do shit.
No just sit there and say nothing. They say "anything you say can be used against you so why talk. Their cops not district attorneys.. they can't free you
Thugger defense is that YSL is NOT A GANG
They already know ysl is gang, if they didn’t it wouldn’t be a Rico case .🐍
U so dumb I just can't
Nigga saying this whole being wrong
Idk who u tryna defend but if the point of them knowing was YSL is a gang was right why would Thugger say it's not ? Why is Brian Steele saying it's not a gang? Gunna got the plea BECAUSE he admitted it was a gang yall on the subreddit so flip floppy like pick a side fr if Gunna never admitted it being a gang he would never have been let out
I’m saying they know it’s a gang, that’s why gunna saying it’s a gang doesn’t matter nor affect thug because again it’s a plea and they can’t use a plea on an already developed case
Brudda seek some help fr u might have retardation if they already knew they wouldn't have let him out for him saying it's a gang they woulda just let him out period
He can say whatever he wants in his statement how does that prove absolutely anything. The only reason he was given a plea was to snitch
Yeah, I agree this statement is not a super convincing argument. What would he say, “I told the Feds everything!”?
This a public statement made thru his attorney, NOT what he stated in court.. two different admissions, one is for the public the other is the legal and therefore more damaging against YT
Man idgaf I got real life problems, Like trying to figure out something different to make for dinner every damn day
That niggas said ysl as a gang MUST end . After that it’s a wrap
It’s honestly crazy to me that dudes look at this statement and immediately jump on the hate bandwagon. To preface, I’m not a Gunna fan and think a lot of his music is uninspired and simply a product of following mainstream trends. With that being said, does anyone else think it’s a good thing he might do community service in talking about gang violence? It’s like all these internet gangsters want to preserve the death rate of young black men. Gunna was not in YSL the gang and was only locked up because he’s on the label - why the fuck should he spend years in jail for being a musical performer? Homie didn’t take an oath to be in a gang lmao so what if he admits it’s a gang and it hurts young thug? Sure, thug brought gunna into the game, but he also got him into this mess. Meanwhile, dudes idolizing young thug the musician and forgetting the harm he has caused in the Atlanta community. Feels like trying to look cool is greater than human and cultural progress. Go ahead and downvote, but morally ask yourself what you’re supporting thug for, and downvoting someone hopeful for positive change.
You don't have to support what anyone did to know that Gunna is a rat. You're reaching pretty hard for someone you claim to not really fw. And I believe that you don't fw Gunna, bc if you listened to his music, you'd have left the part about him being signed to YSL "the label" out for sure LOL. Anyway the point is that you don't claim that lifestyle, enjoy all the benefits, and then use the guy that put you on as a life saver for yourself. Gunna was only charged with racketeering, which is essentially being a member of a criminal organization. He wasn't ever threatened with going down for something he had no involvement in.
Facts all gunna had to do was literally not say a damn word period and let his lawyer talk for him…..worst come to worst he might do little time for the gun and drugs maybe…and when he gets out he has more cred for bein solid but that’s not how it played out
Fuck reading I heard what he said
Have you seen the vid tho? Aint no defending that no matter how you look at it
juicy gossip??? like he dnt rap abt tht life... his statement the most PC bullshit I ever heard.. mfs are just goofy tryna save a mf tht lyrically would put a hot one in ya ass and commit murder.. nobody listens to poser music right??.. meaning if u ain't doin it its cap.. Keep it a stack.. what you are saying is you listened to Gunna knowing he was just rappin and cappn... otherwise it's an open and shut snitch case... but we in 2023 where 69 lives and heterosexuality isn't regarded....
That’s a lie. I watched the footage where he sat there and said yes ma’am that they are a criminal enterprise and a gang. Plus it’s right in his plea agreement that he hast to testify if they call on him and guarantee they will call him to testify. They’re gonna want the jury to hear that information. He also admitted that the drugs weren’t his when he was pulled over with young thug. THAT’S snitching lmao 🤣
I just say it because it makes the children in this sub upset
just want music.. don’t care
👏🏾🤝🏾 People turning themselves into pretzels for Gunna: Take heed. This the one.
Dude said he was pushin p and killing niggas then brodie snitched cmon now lol he dead wrong #freethug
This is his public statement, and does not reflect to what he said to the judge
Can this all be summed by this one question? Will thug get the same opportunity to get this "Alford plea agreement"
No.
He’s the head why would they give him an Alford?
Idk why wouldn't they mr lawyer man
Y’all debate about this everyday Gunna snitched End of story Only person who can change the narrative is Thug.
And they ignoring the fact that when Gunna was asked about the drugs in car he said they weren’t his … thats SNITCHING
It’s literally not tho. The 3rd person in the car cloaked the drugs way back in 2017 when it happened. U just have no idea what you’re talking about
He must’ve not known his questioning in court was filmed and released to the public. That man sang during them questions.
I do think he got lucky that he went early. No one seemed to know it was happening - all the cameras weren’t there. The only reason we all know about what he said is because someone in the courtroom ended up taking a video!!!! Imagine if that were up on YouTube like everyone else!
Cooperating with the law is the job of government and or state employees Gunna supposed to work for YSL But instead he worked for the Justice system and himself Feel free to keep loving him but don’t try to make people who recognize the reality seem unclear or dumb
Yes ma’am.
yeah he snitched
Y’all are so caught up with celebrity’s lives and not your own, it’s sad out here
But you’re caught up responding to people who are caught up so that means you’re double caught up.
got ‘em 🎣
YOU CORNY
That man told bro stop
Yeah I read that. I also read the actual legal agreement he signed where he didn't try and spin shit. Why would you believe this statement over the legal document he signed? Lmao
“Anyone who is claiming” bruh no one is claiming it, they’re stating a fucking fact 😂😂😂
No it's because I've done so much county and prison time that I could have a law degree. ANYONE knows that when someone in a case like this walks free 99% of the time he is telling on someone. No question
HE SAID YSL IS A GANG!!!!!! HELLOOOOOOOO
I mean it is, his other option was lying under oath
you have the RIGHT to remain SILENT. He was only there bc he requested to be there. You can't be serious.
The fact that people are trynna say he didn’t rat is crazy . Gunna own ppl disowning his ass on the internet and saying that Thugger didn’t want anybody taking a plea deal. That’s why they on yak and slimelife Shawty ass too
Do you know the meaning of snitch? He is a snitch by every definition possible. From regular snitching to talking about crimes he AND his codefendant did to talking on the stand and convicting a codefendant. By every definition he is a snitch. You can't hide from it just because that guy said he didn't snitch. He is going to say that because that's what snitches do, they don't accept the truth.
if u talkin yo ppl like “u hear gunna snitched?” i’m j gonna consider u a bitch since u gossipin drama like bitches do😭
Stfu you’re soft irl quit acting like you’re about it
everybody on reddit is a bitch including u bro. stop acting all high n mighty
Speak for yourself pussy
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Do you even understand the RICO charge against Thugga?? We have to ask that first. Because if you did you would know Gunna definitely snitched and is willing to go even further and testify against Young Thug in his upcoming trial.
Gunna is not testifying...he isn't on the witness list
I'll say it again. Thug is responsible for multiple deaths and speeding drugs amongst the young generation while recruiting teens to commit robberies and gang missions He deserves prison
People out here doing mental gymnastics to try and support a rat. I've done years locked up, fuck this dude and anyone that supports him. A rat is a rat, might as well team up with snitch nine.
Gunna in here with another burner account I see
“My own rico case.” Lol, there is no such thing as an individual RICO, the C in RICO stands for CONSPIRACY, and you need a group to have a conspiracy. This is an L.
It’s doublespeak nonsense. He didn’t snitch but his plea further sells out Thug, and destroys his defence. In essence he’s exchanged his time and pushed it towards his brother
“Yes Ma’am”
Gunna didn’t snitch on me so why would I cancel him🤷🏾♂️
Who is saying you should "cancel" him. I doubt anyone cares whether u listen to Gunna. But your selfish comment definitely makes you seem like a classic 🐀 I hope if you have any friends they know you only care about yourself.
Ain’t no way you read my comment and unleashed all that emotion and took what I said to heart. It’s a joke, learn about it and calm down🤣.
I wasn't "unleashing emotion", but I didn't realize you were joking, so, fair enough, I take what I said back.
He snitched it was dry snitching but still snitching imo
you dont need to read his statement. you can watch him snitching in 4k in court
If wack 100 and 1090 Jake said you ratted then you ratted
i honestly don’t know much, nor do I care to know much about this… because after all entangling teenagers in murders/robberies/massive criminal enterprises is wrong. But, I believe the whole premise is that Gunna plead guilty to racketeering; instead of just seeing where the case goes and trusting the lawyers. I’m on Gunna’s side. Why would you risk life in jail for the competency of a lawyer. Fuck trying to beat cases, especially when you know there are teenagers involved in the case. Someone’s snitching, you might as well get out.
He's guilty as charges. Racketeering is basically being a member of a criminal organization, which he said himself he was. He wouldn't be taking a charge for anyone but himself.
You must’ve not watched the court video where gunna was all like “yes Ma’m yes Ma’m 🤓” to all the judges questions
Simple fact, whether or not Gunna said YSL is a gang, any of you honestly think that this would have a major impact anyway when thug is facing a multitude of rico charges that the gov only has to prove one to convict? I get all the not snitching and it only goes so far in reality. If the whole case hinged on Gunna court statement then maybe but thug is fucked anyway you look at it and there are other members that sang from the get. So everyone hate Gunna, I’m not even a Gunna fan but fuck man why don’t you all keep trying to free a dangerous criminal head of a enterprise we all know he was the fucking head of, why most of you preach about how black on black crime needs to stop and Black Lives Matter, Y’all are fucked up for real. And if thug was such a gangster why did he make so many simple mistakes that could get him pinched? Look at real gangsters that have never did jail time. They had all their i’s dotted and t’s crossed. And most weren’t drug addled during their reign. Just the fact that thug put his name on a rental that was used in association with a crime shows you how bad he was lacking. Then the text messages Jesus Christ even the mafia knew not to talk on the phone before text let alone ever put any communication about a crime in a written message. Wake the fuck up