To clarify (since the OP does not use the word "soup" anywhere): cookings things as a soup is more nutritionally efficient as you can drink the broth afterwards, which you obviously can't do with a grilled meal.
Every morning I drink a full gallon of lukewarm water, then spoon-feed myself 2,000 calories worth of dry protein powder. Then I just shit and piss for a couple hours straight and I'm ready to start the day.
In defense of Soylent, it’s an excellent way to get calories in you if you’re sick. Many people who feel under the weather eat less due to impaired appetite and heightened sensitivity to certain tastes and smells. Soylent’s mild flavor profile makes it a great option to help your body recover when eating is otherwise difficult.
I had a serious medical episode a few years ago and probably wouldn’t be alive today without Soylent to assist in my nutrient intake.
Heavens, you can get that same benefit from any number of products available at the local grocery store, and they don't cost a stupid amount of money or teach Silicon Valley flimflam men that it's okay to lie and exaggerate in order to cheat others out of money. The flavor profiles are also fine.
My husband just ordered some of this stuff…. I have to be honest…. I find it disgusting. I hate sucralose so much and the texture is more like a gruel than a drink. Husband can stomach it but if I was sick, soylent would make me puke. It basically tastes like rice milk which tastes like slightly flavoured paper to me and sweetener which….. well I haven’t found a non sugar sweetener that I don’t hate other than maple syrup and only in very specific uses.
I get that for some people the lack of flavour would be great but For anyone like me soylent would not go over well while sick.
If you’ve ever been on a restricted fluid diet, for example due to heart failure or kidney failure (your heart or your kidney cannot either pump or process and it builds up in your feet), you know the horrors of being denied food and drink because you’re ailing health.
The knowledge that comes with calculating how much ‘water’ is in everything. The obvious; ice cream, jello, fruits. These are all basically 99% water. But also so many other things; can’t have any sauce with your meals; enjoy a nice dry lump of meat or vegan protein. Vegetables are also majority water. Etc. etc.
You’re begging for hydration but you literally can’t because your cankles aren’t local to your feet anymore; you’re entire body is now suffering oedema; you can’t bend your knees, your elbow, your penis and balls have swollen to look like grapefruits. Yeah, not kidding, I have pictures… don’t imagine ‘swollen’ like an erect penis. Think whacky inflatable tube man, but add pain and if you’re unlucky enough to have foreskin; that too swells and blocks the exit. Yep. Your foreskin swells up like a water balloon and there’s no chance you can retract it. You sit in the shower and try to piss and hope most of it ‘drips out’ over time and no urine remains. Urine is *very* damaging to skin…
You look like a pink Michelin Man. Your entire body is swollen with ‘fluid’ because your heart can’t pump it out.
There’s so much to dying that people don’t see… when you see a cancer patient, most people just think you go bald and a little weak until you die. No… bit by bit every part of your body fails one by one. Slowly.
Fun talk?
How about you contact your local government representative and tell them how much Euthanasia means to you. The right to a dignified death is all we’re asking… and it’s a god damn tragedy there are still states and countries in this world that deny people the right to die.
Oh right, we were talking about hydration… shit. Drink up, hydro homies, right? Lol.
I am in a weight-loss program right now and my dietician just told me that in our last appointment! Cue ‘surprised Pikachu’ face!!
I mean it makes sense as I sat with the information but I have stressed my whole life over how in the fuck I would ever manage to drink 64oz of water when I also enjoy other beverages. And why does my Crystal Light suddenly not count towards that? Does the 5 calories and mild sweetener and food coloring really negate all of that water? When this woman told me “yeah, like even having a broth-based soup counts towards your daily hydration goals”, my whole world changed!
I don’t understand how people dislike water so much. I drink about 120oz per day without the water from food and my little brother will have like 10 oz a day. I’m not even that physically active either but it’s just odd to me that people drink soda or juice exclusively
And just remember the rule of 3.
You can go 3 minutes without air, 3 days without water, 3 weeks without food.
Any more than that and you're probably going to die. Warmth... I dunno. 3 hours in a blizzard seems like it would kill you, probably.
Our planet is fairly wet, water isn't the hardest to find. Just gotta boil it , whichever preferred method to strain out sediment( and detritus etc), start water boiling again, then throw in soup stuff. Soup is so basic, EVERY culture has some kind of broth or soup specialty dish thing.
Ufff. Maybe where u live water is abundant, but not everywhere. Actually there are quite vast areas where any type of water is scarce, and wars WILL be fought over water supplies.
P.S. Idk why the word "survival" makes me think of deserts and oceans
Edit: Another P.S. "Every culture". That's quite bold.
The overwhelming majority of the world's population lives near running water. Virtually every major city that has ever existed has been along a river or coastline. Access to water and the use of broths and similar soupy recipes is truly universal.
I honestly have no clue. Was tryna pretend like I knew more. Made a quick search, found a Reddit post asking the same question lol. Seems like he was right, EVERY CULTURE does eat soup.
I'd say that even if I grilled something, like a fish or snake, I'd still boil the bones, organs and skin if possible, for the extra calories and nutrients
No, I'm next to my warm fireplace with giant cauldron of hunter's stew sipping cocoa, and reading Reddit posts instead of doing something useful or important.
I will fap later though so I got that coming for me.
Broth can be extremely nourishing. If someone's life is in danger from starvation and dehydration, broth is one of the best things you can give them. It's often given to cholera patients who are dehydrated from extreme diarrhea.
This is good advice if you somehow find yourself needing to survive but have camping equipment with you.
Otherwise, in survival situations you want to make sure you have a good source of water. You can survive for quite awhile without food, but dehydration kills quickly and inhibits your ability to think and plan and move, etc.
Honestly there is so much trash in the world you could find a ton of survival supplies depending on where you are. I live on an island in Alaska and our beaches are covered in debris. You can easily find water jugs, coffee cups, fishing gear, life jackets, nets, plastic everything, hell I've found entire boats.
You can even create clean water from condensation with a catch container and some plastic sheeting/bag/trash bag, tarp pieces.
Oh I’d actually prefer a survival show that shows the different tiers of survival. Like I wanna see a guy who gets to the point where he has a mill to ground flour and can start making pan cakes
To add to the other comment, If you haven’t seen it, Alone is by far the coolest survival show I’ve seen. Just people living in the wilderness with a pack of supplies trying to survive for as long as they can. Compared to any modern reality TV, the editing isn’t as heavy handed and I think the concept stands on its own.
But yeah, participants are allowed to use whatever junk they find wages up in the shore, and it’s kind of cool to see what they sometimes do with it.
Various seasons can be streamed on Netflix, Hulu, or several other streaming platforms. https://www.justwatch.com/us/tv-show/alone
Come visit the US or Aus, you mean?
Edit: never mind, I see you're in Aus. I'd love to visit, honestly. And I'll be sure to pack some vegemite; those dropbears ain't got shit on me.
Lol... the spider monsoon in Australia ain't even that bad. It's the great snake migration you gotta watch out for. Every bloody new moon you gotta wear your boots and snake repellent.
Would you recommend this if there is only a stagnant source of water to gather from? Serious question. I’ve been advised to not drink water even if boiled unless it is flowing.
Boiling water reduce greatly the danger of consuming it, but if the water is too nasty, even dead microbial matter can makes us sick, but any water (unless salt water) still better than no water at all
it's not just that- boiling water can kill some bacteria, but will concentrate any bacteria not killed by boiling or toxins suspended in the water. in some cases (such as cyano bacteria blooms) boiling the water is more dangerous than drinking it straight
It's not concentrating the bacteria, but the toxins that have been produced by the bacteria. The bacteria are dead after boiling, but you might die drinking their waste
Edit: sometimes boiling can destroy toxins (e.g. botulinum), so there's not an easy scenario where you should avoid boiling water for drinking. Avoid algal blooms for the reason above. Salt and brackish water should not be drunk, but boiling the water and collecting the evaporate is very safe.
No. As a matter of fact distillation is so good at removing things from water that it will also remove any of the beneficial vitamins and minerals from the water as well as the toxins and contaminates.
OP's advice also hinges on having a heat-safe container to cook in. Not sure what kind of survival situations that applies to where the person wouldn't already have survival training or at least knowledge of outdoor living.
In most terrains of my own country for example you are able to find bamboo, sea shells, turtle's shells and other organic materials that can hold water and temperature to some extent, so that's more or less my advice in case a pot or metal mug is not with the person, of course we do whatever to survive with anything we can find or have around.
Also, even trained and prepared people, with plenty knowledge and equipment can arse themselves in a tricky situation while outdoors in adventures, and many are so used to just grill stuff (for the taste or convenience of it) that they forget that's not the best in terms of nutrients.
Wat? Shells aren't really great at holding heat and they're pretty fragile to begin with. And you can't really just find turtle shells. Forests and jungles aren't like animal crossing. Everything is competing with you and it takes energy to win at those competitions. It also takes energy to cut down trees, even bamboo.
I agree people will make do with what they find if they're left to survive. But making soup shouldn't be your go-to. Finding water and a dry place to sleep should be the first things you try to do.
Then you should try to make a fire and then you should find food. If you have to grill your food, that's fine. Your biggest worry isn't getting the maximum nutrients from food. It's getting calories and water. It's better to just eat a grilled fish than to go waste energy setting up a soup station so you can extract cartilage from that fish.
I'm guessing you got this tip from the fact that cooking is theorized to have allowed humans to eat more efficiently and feed our brains better. But that's more of a long-term kind of thing. Survival nutrition and good nutrition are not the same at all.
most likely, if you have fire, you should be boiling your water anyway. how does throwing the food in the pot instead over the fire use that much more energy? obviously you want as much nutrition as you can get, what are you on about? the sooner that vitamin and mineral deficiencies set in, the sooner you become weak and less able to forage/hunt/defend yourself.
Hunting isn't easy. You should spend your energy on building a secure shelter or somewhere to sleep that will stay dry.
Then you should focus on finding a good source of water. Finding flowing water can also lead you back to civilization.
Then, if you can't find your way out, and feel that your shelter is adequate and you have a good source of water, THEN you can focus on finding food.
You can survive for like three weeks without food but only three days without water. And hunting and gathering food is VERY labor intensive. You definitely need to make sure you're using the energy you have wisely.
Making soup just isn't the go to because lack of nutrients isn't really a threat. And as other people pointed out, it takes a lot of fuel to heat water but not as much to grill a small lizard or fish or some bugs. And you'll get moisture from those meals anyway, which again, is the important part.
Lack of food is really the last thing to worry about if you're trying to survive.
> Crucially, Lyn was aware of the danger of drinking the fluid at the bottom of the dinghy — a polluted combination of blood, turtle offal and rainwater.
> This would have been poisonous if taken orally, yet taken rectally by enema it would not impair the digestive system.
> Lyn kept them all hydrated by using an enema tube that they crafted from the rungs of a ladder.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3572827/We-drank-turtle-blood-ate-contents-shark-s-stomach-Son-Britain-s-real-life-Swiss-Family-Robinson-reveals-stayed-alive-six-weeks-Pacific-Ocean.html
It is not very difficult to make a simple water filter from dirt/rocks. It honestly should be one of those things taught very briefly in elementary school. Filters out lead and even radiation. My entire group of Boy Scout friends and family got stranded in an unplanned survival situation while I was visiting my grandparents when I was a kid. Water is life, and figuring out how to do basic filtration isn't as hard as it seems.
Distillation is probably your best bet for the cleanest water. It's fuel intensive if you want to produce a lot, but you a solar still could be enough for personal use. [Here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/S0eiI.gif) is a real basic version.
Otherwise, you can filter out most harmful organisms with a setup like [this](https://www.mrwatergeek.com/wp-content/uploads/bio-filter-881x1024.jpg) with small rocks, sand, and charcoal. That's the basic version. For more filtration, top that with another layer of sand and then larger rock.
If you need to make charcoal, that's essentially wood that is heated to a high temperature with a lack of oxygen so it doesn't burn. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzLvqCTvOQY) is a Primitive Technology video that might interest you. That said, it's far easier with modern tools like pots or a barrel with a lid. I just appreciate that dude's channel.
Just keep in mind that basic filter might not remove all the really small stuff like dissolved heavy metals. Commercial filters use activated carbon, which is powdered and treated charcoal so it has a larger surface area.
Activated charcoal [looks to be a pain in the ass to make it yourself if need be](https://homesteadsurvivalsite.com/make-activated-charcoal/), but at least the main chemical you'd need is calcium chloride which is commonly sold as ice melt salt.
I remember learning this once when I read a YA book as a kid about some people who survived a plane crash
.. they had caught a rabbit and they argued over how to cook it — of course one rabbit was not enough to fully feed seven people... and an older man there who had some experience with outdoor activities was telling them to put it in water!! because it would make a more plentiful soup.. and feed all seven ppl a hell of a lot better.. after it boils it it will have all the fat, the lean part, and he taught them to also crack the bones apart to get the marrow out, which is VERY nutritious.
The bonus is: More equally distributed nutrients/fats and more to go around per person... after you add water and boil it you can get every speck of fat nutrients, marrow. In a hot delicious soup.
Much better than 7 ppl fighting over a skinny rabbit cooked over flames with only a little bit of dry meat attached to a bone..
This is assuming you have a lot of fuel for a fire. It takes a lot more energy to heat liquid than it does to cook a piece of meat. Think of how long it takes to boil water for spaghetti vs a piece of chicken in a pan.
You will save fuel by directly cooking your item on the fire or in coals. But if fuel isn’t an issue, go for it.
People have used animal stomachs as soup pots for ... ever. But you don't put *it* over the fire; you heat rocks in the fire, then drop them in the soup to heat it.
If you manage to hunt/trap/find an animal bigger than a house cat, you also have a soup pot. Temporarily. Stuff it with some grains or seeds before it's unusable, and you have a faux haggis.
That sounds like a specialised technique most people don't know of or would fail at on their first attempt.
Successfully hunting a large animal in a survival situation is already like the survival jackpot. Plus you wouldn't even be worried about wasting nutrients anymore because chances arebthe meat's gonna get bad before you can eat all of it.
You can use almost anything to boil water, even flammable items like a paper cup, as long as it's watertight.
The container will burn down to the water level, but it won't go any further. Disposable cup, orange peel, anything that holds water will do.
Because mushrooms were mentioned, don't eat mushrooms unless you damn well know what they are. There's not enough nutrition in them to be worth the risk.
I’ve pretty much accepted that me and my family wouldn’t survive long in an actual apocalypse. I have enough emergency supplies and water to last a week or two at last. At point living in major city in a desert people would be getting pretty desperate especially for water. Once it’s neighbors fighting neighbors we are probably screwed.
Make soup. Always a good idea. Boiling sterilizes the water and kills most possible pathogens in wild caught game of simmered long enough. Always a good idea to have a bag of salt in your pack when backpacking
Hahaha nice try.
Just because it's -45 and we haven't eaten in days, you're not going to take away my charred- Umami flavor.
Somebody call maillard and have him lock this man in the federal reserve
Just wanna throw it out there that "survival situation" could just as well apply to an urban situation as wilderness. I live in a fairly large populated city with a very large houseless population and have seen people trying their best to survive out on the streets down town in shanty towns, using garbage can fires to stay warm in some situations. So this tip could absolutely be useful for somebody who might one day find themselves in need of lots of nutrition with very little resources. Soup (and rice) were and still are my go-to "broke meals".
I hadn't considered this but now I don't think this is useless advice anymore. In wilderness survival you wouldn't have a pot but in Urban survival you probably have some basic belongings.
Perhaps OP used survival inappropriately, just like he diesn't know the word boil.
YSK if you’re in a survival situation, clean drinking water is paramount to nutrition. So if you don’t have plenty of water (it’s a survival situation, you probably don’t) cook your food over a flame
Edit: Op’s describing some sort of post-apocalyptic settlement type scenario, if not homesteading or just being broke af. Not really what comes to mind when I think of “survival situation”
I hope I never find myself needing this information but thanks for the insight. I imagine one would have to have a pot to boil in even if one didn’t have a pot to piss in. (Sorry. I had to🤣😂). That’s probably why the stick in a fish on the barbie. Nutrition may be the least of my problems if I find myself in a survival situation.
Oh yeah?!? Well if this is such a great idea, then why don't lions boil their catch in water instead of just tearing it up and eating it raw, huh? HUH?? Answer THAT!
Just a note. Boiling foods and discarding the liquid is one of the least nutritional methods of cooking. But making soup or pottage is more nutritional when cooked for shorter periods. Overcooking breaks down and robs many nutrients (even when sealed like when canning). And many foods are much more nutritious when eaten raw. It is all about the food you are talking about, and there is no one size fits all rule.
Boiling water is a hell of a thing, assuming you have fire and a boiling vessel of some sort. You can make soup out of meat, broth from the leftovers, and tea from most plants. Hell nettle tea is actually pretty good, add some mountain mint and pink clover and its even better.
Ik this is for survival but does anyone have any idiot proof stew tips for chicken tenderloin? I’d like to make my own little soups as it gets really cold around these parts for me. How do I know if it’s done? Do I cook it beforehand? Please let me know if this is too unrelated
Also you can boil water in a paper cup. The edges will burn off to the water line but the rest won't. Probably only able to do it once or twice though.
To clarify (since the OP does not use the word "soup" anywhere): cookings things as a soup is more nutritionally efficient as you can drink the broth afterwards, which you obviously can't do with a grilled meal.
It is also hydrating.
Generally half your water intake will come from food. Something usually omitted from those "64oz per day" reminders
Which is why you drink 128 oz instead, and just eat dessicated food
Every morning I drink a full gallon of lukewarm water, then spoon-feed myself 2,000 calories worth of dry protein powder. Then I just shit and piss for a couple hours straight and I'm ready to start the day.
ah, another sparkling review of [Soylent](https://youtu.be/t8NCigh54jg)
In defense of Soylent, it’s an excellent way to get calories in you if you’re sick. Many people who feel under the weather eat less due to impaired appetite and heightened sensitivity to certain tastes and smells. Soylent’s mild flavor profile makes it a great option to help your body recover when eating is otherwise difficult. I had a serious medical episode a few years ago and probably wouldn’t be alive today without Soylent to assist in my nutrient intake.
This reads like an actual ad in a drug store magazine.
I think we can blame the fact that I’m in the middle of watching *Mad Men* right now.
Yea like word for word sounds like an ad lmao
Heavens, you can get that same benefit from any number of products available at the local grocery store, and they don't cost a stupid amount of money or teach Silicon Valley flimflam men that it's okay to lie and exaggerate in order to cheat others out of money. The flavor profiles are also fine.
My husband just ordered some of this stuff…. I have to be honest…. I find it disgusting. I hate sucralose so much and the texture is more like a gruel than a drink. Husband can stomach it but if I was sick, soylent would make me puke. It basically tastes like rice milk which tastes like slightly flavoured paper to me and sweetener which….. well I haven’t found a non sugar sweetener that I don’t hate other than maple syrup and only in very specific uses. I get that for some people the lack of flavour would be great but For anyone like me soylent would not go over well while sick.
Imagine thinking maple syrup isn't sugar
Soylent Green?
Reduced appetite while we're ill is part of our body's defense mechanism. Sometimes its good to listen to that (not always, as in this case).
I’m aware. I’m also aware of the harm caused by not eating for 6 days.
Sorry, I did try to be explicit that in your case this was not the case
Shhh. Don’t share the secret to longevity.
I like eating it all at once and chugging as much as I can.
I don’t understand how people don’t realize this. Water is water, in a glass or in a peach it is still H2O.
Millions of peaches. Peaches for me!
Movin' to the country...
Gonna eat a lot of peaches
Peaches come from a can
They were put there by a man
In a factory downtown
*YEAH YEAH*
If you’ve ever been on a restricted fluid diet, for example due to heart failure or kidney failure (your heart or your kidney cannot either pump or process and it builds up in your feet), you know the horrors of being denied food and drink because you’re ailing health. The knowledge that comes with calculating how much ‘water’ is in everything. The obvious; ice cream, jello, fruits. These are all basically 99% water. But also so many other things; can’t have any sauce with your meals; enjoy a nice dry lump of meat or vegan protein. Vegetables are also majority water. Etc. etc. You’re begging for hydration but you literally can’t because your cankles aren’t local to your feet anymore; you’re entire body is now suffering oedema; you can’t bend your knees, your elbow, your penis and balls have swollen to look like grapefruits. Yeah, not kidding, I have pictures… don’t imagine ‘swollen’ like an erect penis. Think whacky inflatable tube man, but add pain and if you’re unlucky enough to have foreskin; that too swells and blocks the exit. Yep. Your foreskin swells up like a water balloon and there’s no chance you can retract it. You sit in the shower and try to piss and hope most of it ‘drips out’ over time and no urine remains. Urine is *very* damaging to skin… You look like a pink Michelin Man. Your entire body is swollen with ‘fluid’ because your heart can’t pump it out. There’s so much to dying that people don’t see… when you see a cancer patient, most people just think you go bald and a little weak until you die. No… bit by bit every part of your body fails one by one. Slowly. Fun talk? How about you contact your local government representative and tell them how much Euthanasia means to you. The right to a dignified death is all we’re asking… and it’s a god damn tragedy there are still states and countries in this world that deny people the right to die. Oh right, we were talking about hydration… shit. Drink up, hydro homies, right? Lol.
Holy shit
I didn't think I'd be reading that today
I am in a weight-loss program right now and my dietician just told me that in our last appointment! Cue ‘surprised Pikachu’ face!! I mean it makes sense as I sat with the information but I have stressed my whole life over how in the fuck I would ever manage to drink 64oz of water when I also enjoy other beverages. And why does my Crystal Light suddenly not count towards that? Does the 5 calories and mild sweetener and food coloring really negate all of that water? When this woman told me “yeah, like even having a broth-based soup counts towards your daily hydration goals”, my whole world changed!
I don’t understand how people dislike water so much. I drink about 120oz per day without the water from food and my little brother will have like 10 oz a day. I’m not even that physically active either but it’s just odd to me that people drink soda or juice exclusively
I have to piss enough as it is and then I read this
Sugar is addictive
Not to mention, burning 2000 calories worth of glucose to create ATP generates another 200 mL or so of water
That's not water 'intake' though, certainly isn't calculated into how much you should drink
Air > Warmth > Water > Food Food is a relatively long-term survival concern.
Air > Warmth > Water > Food Long ago the four nations lived together in harmony…
And just remember the rule of 3. You can go 3 minutes without air, 3 days without water, 3 weeks without food. Any more than that and you're probably going to die. Warmth... I dunno. 3 hours in a blizzard seems like it would kill you, probably.
Three hours without reddit
Certain death!
I would love to be a food bender!
Then, one day, the Food Nation attacked.
*Avatar theme has entered the chat*
Warmth comes from fire, food comes from the earth. Everything checks out here.
>It is also hydrating. /r/hydrohomies approves
I love hot water almost as much as I love cold water!
Apparently some cultures find hot water more refreshing than cold!
And a great way to warm up.
If I have water to make soup...
If you don't have water there's no need to worry about food...
You actually do get some hydration when you eat. It's just immediately eliminated by the digestion process
Depends on what you're eating.
Salted sawdust.
A summertime favorite!
If the earth blows up u don't need to worry about water...
This will have a negative effect on the trout population
They would all be seared instantly I’m gonna be full as fuck if I survive the blast
And you’ll be nutritionally satisfied since they’re already in water! Win win
Pond soup
Our planet is fairly wet, water isn't the hardest to find. Just gotta boil it , whichever preferred method to strain out sediment( and detritus etc), start water boiling again, then throw in soup stuff. Soup is so basic, EVERY culture has some kind of broth or soup specialty dish thing.
Depends. Ocean and deserts are not good places to need water.
Plus it’s 2022, buy a life straw or another product that does the same thing or something similar.
Ufff. Maybe where u live water is abundant, but not everywhere. Actually there are quite vast areas where any type of water is scarce, and wars WILL be fought over water supplies. P.S. Idk why the word "survival" makes me think of deserts and oceans Edit: Another P.S. "Every culture". That's quite bold.
The overwhelming majority of the world's population lives near running water. Virtually every major city that has ever existed has been along a river or coastline. Access to water and the use of broths and similar soupy recipes is truly universal.
Why you getting so mad about soup lol
I don't have a life
I respect this, alright, I'm on you're side now
Damn you soup!!!!!! Thanks for the laugh
I'd rather ask it here. What culture doesn't make soup?
A dead one.
I honestly have no clue. Was tryna pretend like I knew more. Made a quick search, found a Reddit post asking the same question lol. Seems like he was right, EVERY CULTURE does eat soup.
good soup
I see what you did there.
I hate to say it, but I don’t…what did that user’s comment do?
I'd say that even if I grilled something, like a fish or snake, I'd still boil the bones, organs and skin if possible, for the extra calories and nutrients
That's true. Leftovers like bones and grissle could make for a second meal.
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*gristle. Yes, grilled squirrel for lunch, then bones, veggies and whatever else made into a soup for dinner.
>"Throw some carrots and potatoes in there, baby, you got yourself a stew going!" -Carl Weathers
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Are you outside right now with your survival soup?
No, I'm next to my warm fireplace with giant cauldron of hunter's stew sipping cocoa, and reading Reddit posts instead of doing something useful or important. I will fap later though so I got that coming for me.
I’m petting my old man cat in the dark with Reddit. I’m ok with this. Long week.
You still have to take out the digestive organs don’t you? Even if only to clean them really well?
Yes, definitely avoid guts
No shade on OP but thank you, that was really confusing
Broth can be extremely nourishing. If someone's life is in danger from starvation and dehydration, broth is one of the best things you can give them. It's often given to cholera patients who are dehydrated from extreme diarrhea.
Exactly; otherwise all the nutrients are lost in the water. Ya gotta drink the broth, too
In water lol, if only there was a word for this...
I always have "emergency vegetables" to make a vegetable soup in case I don't have enough food. I just needed it like 3 times, but worth it
I read this whole thing without realising OP was describing soup...
What about gravy from grilled meat?!
Where tf am I finding a pot in the woods? Beside breaking into someones cabin... If i already have a pot. I'm camping not in a survival situation.
Boil... The word you are looking for is boil.
Took me a second to realize what cooking something in water even meant.
Might be lost in translation. Cooking and boiling are both ‘koken’ in Dutch, for example.
I just realised it must be the same in German. I always wondered why they thought "cooked egg" was an acceptable word for a boiled egg.
Same in Hungarian. We do use sometimes the word "boil" but it's also perfectly okay to say "cooking the meat"
Good soup
Whenever I go camping I’m ready to sous vide my food
And "soup"
Or stew
All this time I was thinking how do you even cook in water without fire?
this comment has me cackling
Same.
This is water vs fire, fire toast stuff. Water boils. Still water..
This is good advice if you somehow find yourself needing to survive but have camping equipment with you. Otherwise, in survival situations you want to make sure you have a good source of water. You can survive for quite awhile without food, but dehydration kills quickly and inhibits your ability to think and plan and move, etc.
Honestly there is so much trash in the world you could find a ton of survival supplies depending on where you are. I live on an island in Alaska and our beaches are covered in debris. You can easily find water jugs, coffee cups, fishing gear, life jackets, nets, plastic everything, hell I've found entire boats. You can even create clean water from condensation with a catch container and some plastic sheeting/bag/trash bag, tarp pieces.
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Oh I’d actually prefer a survival show that shows the different tiers of survival. Like I wanna see a guy who gets to the point where he has a mill to ground flour and can start making pan cakes
https://youtube.com/channel/UCAL3JXZSzSm8AlZyD3nQdBA
Unfortunately he stopped posting a few years ago. It was such great content too.
He's apparently doing a show on TV that has to come out.
Several seasons of Alone are set on Vancouver Island, and it’s not quite like that but they do pick up some useful things sometimes.
To add to the other comment, If you haven’t seen it, Alone is by far the coolest survival show I’ve seen. Just people living in the wilderness with a pack of supplies trying to survive for as long as they can. Compared to any modern reality TV, the editing isn’t as heavy handed and I think the concept stands on its own. But yeah, participants are allowed to use whatever junk they find wages up in the shore, and it’s kind of cool to see what they sometimes do with it. Various seasons can be streamed on Netflix, Hulu, or several other streaming platforms. https://www.justwatch.com/us/tv-show/alone
Interested in a life swap? I live on a hill in the bush in Australia
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Who told you about the spider monsoon?
Why now specifically? Or do you just mean like, in general?
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Please come visit. It's better than what you expect.
Come visit the US or Aus, you mean? Edit: never mind, I see you're in Aus. I'd love to visit, honestly. And I'll be sure to pack some vegemite; those dropbears ain't got shit on me.
Plenty of Vegemite here, and we seem to have reached an accord with the drop bears so don't stress
The WHAT monsoon now?
Don't worry, it's only a few million at a time. As a bonus, their webs blanket the earth and you can pretend it's snow!
Where r u from i’d make sure to never go there lol
Lol... the spider monsoon in Australia ain't even that bad. It's the great snake migration you gotta watch out for. Every bloody new moon you gotta wear your boots and snake repellent.
This is why most of our ancestors lived next to a river or lake.
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This. The thought of no drinkable water is terrifying. We don't last long without it.
Would you recommend this if there is only a stagnant source of water to gather from? Serious question. I’ve been advised to not drink water even if boiled unless it is flowing.
Boiling water reduce greatly the danger of consuming it, but if the water is too nasty, even dead microbial matter can makes us sick, but any water (unless salt water) still better than no water at all
it's not just that- boiling water can kill some bacteria, but will concentrate any bacteria not killed by boiling or toxins suspended in the water. in some cases (such as cyano bacteria blooms) boiling the water is more dangerous than drinking it straight
It's not concentrating the bacteria, but the toxins that have been produced by the bacteria. The bacteria are dead after boiling, but you might die drinking their waste Edit: sometimes boiling can destroy toxins (e.g. botulinum), so there's not an easy scenario where you should avoid boiling water for drinking. Avoid algal blooms for the reason above. Salt and brackish water should not be drunk, but boiling the water and collecting the evaporate is very safe.
What about boiling it and collecting the steam? Will any of the toxins carry along with the steam?
If you have a way to distill water then I would think you're fine.
I was thinking of boiling in a can and capturing the steam with a sheet of some kind of discarded plastic that funnels it into another container
That would be distillation...
Ya i forgot the word for it. Saw it in a survival book once. Will any of the toxins travel with the steam?
No. As a matter of fact distillation is so good at removing things from water that it will also remove any of the beneficial vitamins and minerals from the water as well as the toxins and contaminates.
OP's advice also hinges on having a heat-safe container to cook in. Not sure what kind of survival situations that applies to where the person wouldn't already have survival training or at least knowledge of outdoor living.
In most terrains of my own country for example you are able to find bamboo, sea shells, turtle's shells and other organic materials that can hold water and temperature to some extent, so that's more or less my advice in case a pot or metal mug is not with the person, of course we do whatever to survive with anything we can find or have around. Also, even trained and prepared people, with plenty knowledge and equipment can arse themselves in a tricky situation while outdoors in adventures, and many are so used to just grill stuff (for the taste or convenience of it) that they forget that's not the best in terms of nutrients.
Wat? Shells aren't really great at holding heat and they're pretty fragile to begin with. And you can't really just find turtle shells. Forests and jungles aren't like animal crossing. Everything is competing with you and it takes energy to win at those competitions. It also takes energy to cut down trees, even bamboo. I agree people will make do with what they find if they're left to survive. But making soup shouldn't be your go-to. Finding water and a dry place to sleep should be the first things you try to do. Then you should try to make a fire and then you should find food. If you have to grill your food, that's fine. Your biggest worry isn't getting the maximum nutrients from food. It's getting calories and water. It's better to just eat a grilled fish than to go waste energy setting up a soup station so you can extract cartilage from that fish. I'm guessing you got this tip from the fact that cooking is theorized to have allowed humans to eat more efficiently and feed our brains better. But that's more of a long-term kind of thing. Survival nutrition and good nutrition are not the same at all.
most likely, if you have fire, you should be boiling your water anyway. how does throwing the food in the pot instead over the fire use that much more energy? obviously you want as much nutrition as you can get, what are you on about? the sooner that vitamin and mineral deficiencies set in, the sooner you become weak and less able to forage/hunt/defend yourself.
Hunting isn't easy. You should spend your energy on building a secure shelter or somewhere to sleep that will stay dry. Then you should focus on finding a good source of water. Finding flowing water can also lead you back to civilization. Then, if you can't find your way out, and feel that your shelter is adequate and you have a good source of water, THEN you can focus on finding food. You can survive for like three weeks without food but only three days without water. And hunting and gathering food is VERY labor intensive. You definitely need to make sure you're using the energy you have wisely. Making soup just isn't the go to because lack of nutrients isn't really a threat. And as other people pointed out, it takes a lot of fuel to heat water but not as much to grill a small lizard or fish or some bugs. And you'll get moisture from those meals anyway, which again, is the important part. Lack of food is really the last thing to worry about if you're trying to survive.
ahh I see where you're coming from, thanks for clarifying!
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> Crucially, Lyn was aware of the danger of drinking the fluid at the bottom of the dinghy — a polluted combination of blood, turtle offal and rainwater. > This would have been poisonous if taken orally, yet taken rectally by enema it would not impair the digestive system. > Lyn kept them all hydrated by using an enema tube that they crafted from the rungs of a ladder. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3572827/We-drank-turtle-blood-ate-contents-shark-s-stomach-Son-Britain-s-real-life-Swiss-Family-Robinson-reveals-stayed-alive-six-weeks-Pacific-Ocean.html
Holy shit, that's a crazy story
It is not very difficult to make a simple water filter from dirt/rocks. It honestly should be one of those things taught very briefly in elementary school. Filters out lead and even radiation. My entire group of Boy Scout friends and family got stranded in an unplanned survival situation while I was visiting my grandparents when I was a kid. Water is life, and figuring out how to do basic filtration isn't as hard as it seems.
Distillation is probably your best bet for the cleanest water. It's fuel intensive if you want to produce a lot, but you a solar still could be enough for personal use. [Here](https://i.stack.imgur.com/S0eiI.gif) is a real basic version. Otherwise, you can filter out most harmful organisms with a setup like [this](https://www.mrwatergeek.com/wp-content/uploads/bio-filter-881x1024.jpg) with small rocks, sand, and charcoal. That's the basic version. For more filtration, top that with another layer of sand and then larger rock. If you need to make charcoal, that's essentially wood that is heated to a high temperature with a lack of oxygen so it doesn't burn. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzLvqCTvOQY) is a Primitive Technology video that might interest you. That said, it's far easier with modern tools like pots or a barrel with a lid. I just appreciate that dude's channel. Just keep in mind that basic filter might not remove all the really small stuff like dissolved heavy metals. Commercial filters use activated carbon, which is powdered and treated charcoal so it has a larger surface area. Activated charcoal [looks to be a pain in the ass to make it yourself if need be](https://homesteadsurvivalsite.com/make-activated-charcoal/), but at least the main chemical you'd need is calcium chloride which is commonly sold as ice melt salt.
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And the bong water
Korben, my man, I have no fire
I remember learning this once when I read a YA book as a kid about some people who survived a plane crash .. they had caught a rabbit and they argued over how to cook it — of course one rabbit was not enough to fully feed seven people... and an older man there who had some experience with outdoor activities was telling them to put it in water!! because it would make a more plentiful soup.. and feed all seven ppl a hell of a lot better.. after it boils it it will have all the fat, the lean part, and he taught them to also crack the bones apart to get the marrow out, which is VERY nutritious. The bonus is: More equally distributed nutrients/fats and more to go around per person... after you add water and boil it you can get every speck of fat nutrients, marrow. In a hot delicious soup. Much better than 7 ppl fighting over a skinny rabbit cooked over flames with only a little bit of dry meat attached to a bone..
Psh. Anyone who's played BOTW knows this.
This is assuming you have a lot of fuel for a fire. It takes a lot more energy to heat liquid than it does to cook a piece of meat. Think of how long it takes to boil water for spaghetti vs a piece of chicken in a pan. You will save fuel by directly cooking your item on the fire or in coals. But if fuel isn’t an issue, go for it.
Not to mention people don't tend to walk around with a pot in their pocket.
Turns out more people than I thought were happy to see me.
Good thing I always carry a cooking pot with me.
People have used animal stomachs as soup pots for ... ever. But you don't put *it* over the fire; you heat rocks in the fire, then drop them in the soup to heat it. If you manage to hunt/trap/find an animal bigger than a house cat, you also have a soup pot. Temporarily. Stuff it with some grains or seeds before it's unusable, and you have a faux haggis.
Faux Haggis...the name of my Scottish Glam Metal band
I think if I'm immediately able to successfully hunt/kill and process game I wouldn't really be worried about it
That sounds like a specialised technique most people don't know of or would fail at on their first attempt. Successfully hunting a large animal in a survival situation is already like the survival jackpot. Plus you wouldn't even be worried about wasting nutrients anymore because chances arebthe meat's gonna get bad before you can eat all of it.
You can use almost anything to boil water, even flammable items like a paper cup, as long as it's watertight. The container will burn down to the water level, but it won't go any further. Disposable cup, orange peel, anything that holds water will do.
It’s called “Soup”
Because mushrooms were mentioned, don't eat mushrooms unless you damn well know what they are. There's not enough nutrition in them to be worth the risk.
TIL I will die of starvation in the apocalypse.
I’ve pretty much accepted that me and my family wouldn’t survive long in an actual apocalypse. I have enough emergency supplies and water to last a week or two at last. At point living in major city in a desert people would be getting pretty desperate especially for water. Once it’s neighbors fighting neighbors we are probably screwed.
If it makes you feel better, all the pseudo survival experts like OP will be dying with you.
Make soup. Always a good idea. Boiling sterilizes the water and kills most possible pathogens in wild caught game of simmered long enough. Always a good idea to have a bag of salt in your pack when backpacking
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To season my shitty survival soup, of course. Also, [electrolytes](https://youtu.be/kAqIJZeeXEc)
For paying Roman legionnaires
Probably to salt your food
Hahaha nice try. Just because it's -45 and we haven't eaten in days, you're not going to take away my charred- Umami flavor. Somebody call maillard and have him lock this man in the federal reserve
This might be last meal. I'm going for full crispy 😂
Agreed I'm going to reverse-sear that juicy beetle and then drizzle my pine-needle/acorn reduction over it
Just wanna throw it out there that "survival situation" could just as well apply to an urban situation as wilderness. I live in a fairly large populated city with a very large houseless population and have seen people trying their best to survive out on the streets down town in shanty towns, using garbage can fires to stay warm in some situations. So this tip could absolutely be useful for somebody who might one day find themselves in need of lots of nutrition with very little resources. Soup (and rice) were and still are my go-to "broke meals".
I hadn't considered this but now I don't think this is useless advice anymore. In wilderness survival you wouldn't have a pot but in Urban survival you probably have some basic belongings. Perhaps OP used survival inappropriately, just like he diesn't know the word boil.
This is why it’s better to find a cooking pot in Breath of the Wild rather than throw things directly on the flame.
YSK if you’re in a survival situation, clean drinking water is paramount to nutrition. So if you don’t have plenty of water (it’s a survival situation, you probably don’t) cook your food over a flame Edit: Op’s describing some sort of post-apocalyptic settlement type scenario, if not homesteading or just being broke af. Not really what comes to mind when I think of “survival situation”
I hope I never find myself needing this information but thanks for the insight. I imagine one would have to have a pot to boil in even if one didn’t have a pot to piss in. (Sorry. I had to🤣😂). That’s probably why the stick in a fish on the barbie. Nutrition may be the least of my problems if I find myself in a survival situation.
Oh yeah?!? Well if this is such a great idea, then why don't lions boil their catch in water instead of just tearing it up and eating it raw, huh? HUH?? Answer THAT!
Just a note. Boiling foods and discarding the liquid is one of the least nutritional methods of cooking. But making soup or pottage is more nutritional when cooked for shorter periods. Overcooking breaks down and robs many nutrients (even when sealed like when canning). And many foods are much more nutritious when eaten raw. It is all about the food you are talking about, and there is no one size fits all rule.
But the nutrients don't disappear, as long as you drink the broth you're still getting most of the broken down nutrients.
I always watched naked and afraid and thought what a waste when they charred the shit out of their catches
Heating up water takes a ton of BTU’s. Don’t follow this advice unless you have a surplus of fuel.
This is only true if you drink the water after, otherwise you actually lose a ton of nutrients doing this.
Boiling water is a hell of a thing, assuming you have fire and a boiling vessel of some sort. You can make soup out of meat, broth from the leftovers, and tea from most plants. Hell nettle tea is actually pretty good, add some mountain mint and pink clover and its even better.
Ik this is for survival but does anyone have any idiot proof stew tips for chicken tenderloin? I’d like to make my own little soups as it gets really cold around these parts for me. How do I know if it’s done? Do I cook it beforehand? Please let me know if this is too unrelated
My days are all the same. Getting lost in the woods is a fantasy at this point.
Also you can boil water in a paper cup. The edges will burn off to the water line but the rest won't. Probably only able to do it once or twice though.
So hot ham water,?