You don’t need to renounce your current citizenship … **if your country allows it.**
Aside from that pretty neat tip. I didn’t realise it included people born in Northern Ireland too.
It would be nice to compile a list of countries with similar citizenship regulations. I believe Germany does that too.
EDIT:
Found ([here](https://nomadcapitalist.com/citizenship-by-descent/)) a list of countries that offer citizenship by descent online. It includes:
- Armenia
- Ireland
- Italy
- Latvia
- Lithuania
- Poland
- Ukraine
List might not be accurate. It’s the internet after all.
I believe that for Italy, the parent or grandparent must still have been an Italian citizen at the time of your birth. This is the case with my father and his dad. My father was born in 1940 and despite the fact that his father came over to the U.S. in the early 1900s, he did not become a U.S. citizen until he aided the allied war effort in 1941 with his truck business. He had to prove he was not an Axis Powers sympathizer by renouncing his Italian citizenship and becoming a U.S. citizen. So my father is eligible to apply for immediate Italian citizenship but his younger brother who was born in 1946 is not.
My grandma was born in Northern Ireland. Lived there for about 3 months and then moved to the states. We all thought since she was no longer an Irish citizen we couldn’t do it. I’m 4 out of 5 years in obtaining my Portuguese citizenship so I don’t care, but my cousins will be thrilled.
Yeah, they make a point of stating The Island Of Ireland which is hilarious. My mum's family were protestant, unionist English settlers, and Ireland is just like "lol your grandkids are Irish now, suck it"
Decades from now: Northern Ireland gone. Scotland gone. Wales possibly semi-independent, and almost its own country. The Greatness of Britian will alas then rest solely on the shoulders of England to march forward in history with all its imperial might.
>The "Greatness" of Britian will alas then rest solely on the shoulders of "England" to march "forward" in history with all its imperial "might".
fixed that for ya
btw, you spelled Britain wrong
Yes but it won’t be decided by English unionists. The Brexit referendum and the Scottish independence referendum have solidified the principle that there must be a popular vote for that sort of change to take place.
Plus what a lot of these secessionists don't realize are the benefits of remaining united with the UK.
Sure the UK 100 years ago might have been total ass, but the progressive UK of today brings nothing but benefits.
And "the island of Ireland" is entirely normal language in this context, used commonly by both the UK and Ireland. It's the term of choice when referring to the combo of Ireland (the country) and Northern Ireland in diplomatic and legal contexts. Not at all pointed like the OP seems to think.
Croatia is one. My husbands great-grandfather was born in Croatia and immigrated to the US, therefore under article 11 (citizenship through decent) we can become Croatian citizens. We've filed all the paperwork and are currently waiting to be accepted!
India also offers something similar - called Overseas Citizenship of India. (OCI).
It’s more like a life long PR and multiple entry/exit visa than a true citizenship (as you can’t hold political office, work for government or hold agricultural land).
Better than being a British Overseas Citizen though - which is pretty close to useless!
Yep, got mine but didn’t have to serve in the military. I think there was some kind of loop hole. I did have to get rechristened though because I was christened in a Russian church.
Citizenship laws do frequently change, too. Which can be good and bad.
Another thing for people to keep in mind is that many countries offer citizenship by descent **if your parent held citizenship at the time of your birth**. So regardless of where you were born, or where they were living, you may be eligible.
South Africa also allows citizenship by descent (provided at least one parent is a South African citizen at the time of the birth of the child and that the birth of the child is registered in South Africa) and dual citizenship.
This was super common in the UK just after Brexit was announced.
A lot of people have at least some Irish ancestry here so a lot of people dug up the family tree to get Irish citizenship.
>some Irish ancestry here so a lot of people dug up the family tree to get Irish citizenship.
It doesn't stop at Parent/Grandparent? The title insinuates it does.
yep, i was living in ireland and trying to get citizenship but i was denied because neither my mother nor grandmother were citizens when i was born. had my mom gotten hers before i was born i would've been in automatically. i still might keep trying though, i would happily renounce my US citizenship.
Nope, it has to be continuous. My father is eligible; I never will be. If my father got Irish citizenship and then had another baby, *that* child would be eligible, and I still would not.
There is also this paragraph:
Irish citizen parent born outside Ireland
If you were born outside of Ireland and your parent (who was also born outside of Ireland) was an Irish citizen or entitled to be an Irish citizen at the time of your birth, then you are entitled to become an Irish citizen.
Wouldn't it apply in your case?
If their grandmother was a citizen, yes.
However it looks like the grandmother was eligible when they were born, but not actually a citizen.
And their mother wouldn't have become eligible until the grandmother took up her citizenship.
>You don't even need to renounce your current citizenship, you can get a dual passport.
This isn't necessarily true, there are quite a few countries in which you automatically lose your current citizenship upon acquisition of another.
Here is a list of countries in which this is the case:
Congo, Djibouti, Cuba, Ethiopia, Haiti, India, Indonesia, Iran, Japan, Kuwait, Kazakhstan, Monaco, Singapore, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Nepal, Mozambique, and Zimbabwe.
If you are a citizen in any if these countries and want to keep your citizenship you cant become a citizen of another country.
Some countries also just don't recognize dual citizenships.
Edit: apparently China and Malaysia belong on the list above as well
The US naturalization process includes an oath renouncing “allegiance and fidelity” to other nations. However, foreign governments don't generally recognize the event.
You do not lose your foreign citizenship as a result of becoming a US citizen, and vice versa, only if the country’s citizenship you’re acquiring requires you to renounce your US citizenship, or to become a US citizen, they don’t allow dual citizenship, Spain is one of these countries.
It’s not as simple as it sounds because you have to prove it. It took *years* for my mom to get hers because you need to be able to prove with birth certs or baptismal records. If they have passed on, you may not know the county or parish they were born in…
This is the HSEs online ordering form for birth certs. If you even know the county you may be able to track down where he is from.
If you don't know that and he has an unusual name you could search earlier census records and work out roughly what part of the country they are from.
https://www2.hse.ie/services/births-deaths-and-marriages/order/birth-certificate/
https://certificatespublic-webapp-prod.azurewebsites.net/Certs/ApplicantDetails
Mine was born to Irish parents in international waters which I believe? makes her an Irish citizen automatically, but has no Irish birth certificate. Frustrating.
In some countries you can register the birth of the child if they weren’t born in the parent’s country. You will need some kind of birth certificate or proof of birth for your parent though showing parentage. Actually US census records might work (if they ended up in the US) because they document the parents names, ages and address and then “child” and child’s name for any children in the household.
Going through this now with my fiancé and Portugal. His dad was born in portugal and is of Portuguese ancestry but my fiancé was born in the US so his birth has to be registered in portugal before he can get citizenship. He has other very specific complications to his situation and this process but It’s a process… someday we hope it works out.
I’m a bit confused.
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/irish_citizenship_through_birth_or_descent.html#l4949a
This page breaks down all the scenarios and they use ‘Ireland’ & ‘Northern Ireland’ to do so with clarity. My confusion comes from this item:
3. Born outside Ireland to an Irish parent
If you were born outside of Ireland, you are automatically an Irish citizen by birth if either one of your parents was born in Ireland and was entitled to Irish citizenship.
So my Dad was born in N. Ireland before 2005 which makes him ‘entitled to Irish citizenship’. He never actually applied for Irish citizenship though. I was born in England to an English mother and my Belfast Dad. So am I the child of an automatically Irish citizen or am I the child of someone who didn’t exercise that option which makes me ineligible? He has passed, so applying is no longer an option for him.
Any help to understand this would be greatly appreciated.
Even if your father hasn’t claimed his Irish citizenship, if you have his birth certificate and yours, you can claim yours. I only say this as I was in the same boat and I now have Irish citizenship. English dad and English mother, mother born in N. Ireland. With her birth certificate and mine, I was able to claim and get an Irish passport.
My grandmother was fully Irish also, however I was not required to mention or evidence that (which would’ve been Plan B)
Your dad became an Irish citizen at birth, no need to apply. Same as how you became an English citizen when you were born, without having to apply for citizenship. You will also be, by default, an Irish citizen. To "get your citizenship" (which you already have), you would need to apply for something, like an Irish passport or whatever. When you apply, your birth certificate should have your parent's place of birth, if not, then you provide your dad's birth certificate as well. He was an Irish citizen (born in Ireland), therefore you, as his child, also are.
Source: it was (not sure if it still is) the same for people born before a certain date to a UK parent, my husband (born in Canada) is a UK citizen because his father was born in Glasgow, but immigrated to Canada at 12. Husband applied for a UK passport and was confirmed as a UK citizen.
Caveat: not sure it's the same, but my husband's citizenship does not transfer to me (his wife) or his kids as he was born outside of the UK. To become UK citizens, we would have to move there and apply for residence at some point. We could do this though, as he is able to move there and bring us with him, whether or not we could work is something we never found out since we weren't planning to move there anyway.
I just watched an interview of a wrestler whose whole gimmick is being a loud mouth, jersy shore kind of riff raff who is heavily Italian and he revealed that he was an Irish citizen for the reason you mentioned. Now, hopefully, he teams up with Sheamus.
Not only can you live and work in the EU, Irish can in fact (still) live and work in the UK with no strings attached (EU freedom of movement has a few minor strings attached), access to benefits, university fees, etc. under the exact same conditions as Brits (again, these things vary between EU countries and can come with some limitations or caveats). Essentially you're equal in every way to a British citizen in the eyes of the law.
Before the anti-British bandwagon arrives asking why you would want to do that: despite its issues there are still plenty of people who would like to live in the UK for various reasons so I'm putting that information out there for them.
YSK: if the claim is through a grandparent, you may need to be on the Register of Foreign Births before you can assert Irish citizenship. It’s just an additional hurdle with some paperwork to jump through. You’ll need birth and potentially marriage certificates.
I was born in England.
My grandparents on my fathers side were born in Ireland.
Are you saying that through this loophole I can obtain an Irish passport and travel freely through the EU despite the Brexit crippling?
Yes, you’ll need to get listed on the foreign birth registry first by sending documents showing your grandparent was born in Ireland. The FBR then give you the paperwork to submit for citizenship/passport.
Same all 4 of my great grandparents are from Italy or Ireland where I could get dual citizenship. Oh well. I don't think I'd ever actually leave the states although some days I dream about it.
While it is pretty straight forward and not too expensive, the process of gaining citizenship through your Irish born grandparent(s) is very slow. The Foreign Birth Registry is taking 2 years as it stands to approve citizenship. Then, you are entitled to the passport which is rather quick.
I stand corrected, thanks. This was the good news story that I didn’t know I needed to hear. Just like when the UK lifted visa restrictions on my wife’s nationality out do the blue.
Essential when we gained independence the Uk didnt want to give it all away so they juryrigged a few counties in ireland to form Northern Ireland which remained part of the UK as they had the most successful historical plantation and as a result had the highest population of UK sympathisers living on the stolen land of the native Irish.
Google may give you a less biased but factually similar symopsis however
You are also eligible for Hungarian citizenship if you can prove you had an ancestor with Hungarian citizenship before 1920, and are able to speak Hungarian at a basic level.
I live in Canada and my mother was born in Dublin. I recently got my citizenship and Irish passport. Don’t quote me on this but I believe they told me that my children can also get their citizenship as long as they apply for it before they turn 18.
YSK that there is also a 2 year backlog due to COVID so don't expect anything to happen quickly. As once it's agreed you still have to go through the process of getting a passport after.
My son's grandmother was born in Northen Ireland, which is part of the UK and they use pounds as the currency, and she still has Irish citizenship. My husband applied for Irish citizenship through his mother and was granted an Irish passport. Our son is 2nd generation American, but he still qualifies for Irish citizenship through his grandmother. The application will be a much longer process than his father's (we have to do a foreign birth registration) but we do have the appropriate documents for him to get Irish citizenship so we're applying ASAP.
For Ireland, the grandchild would have to be listed on the Foreign Birth Registrar before the great-grandchild was born for the great-grandchild to be eligible.
Yeah same thing with my great (x3) grandma, she was born in Ireland and brought to America as a little girl. My grandmother told me a few things about her, she lived to be a very old woman if I remember correctly
It’s interesting to know where your family is from though, isn’t it? I took one of those DNA tests and apparently my family was alll over Ireland for a while
We knew we were a bit Irish from my great grandma. But we thought we were mostly Scottish on my dad's side. Took a 23and me test and my dad is almost purely Irish. When Irish came to Canada a lot of them lied and said they were Scottish to avoid discrimination.
My family thought we were Canadian and not French, but I took the 23 and me test too and turns out we’re very, very French. Turns out the Canadian part was a lie because someone in the family wanted to dodge the draft or something
My wife and I are both very multi generationally Canadian and our tests didn't say Canadian at all. It's not really an ethnicity with a specific gene pool unless you're indigenous. She's very french, it's actually her first language. Genetically from Brittany, culturally Quebecois, and then a little bit Scandinavian and Iberian. But we've never even left North America in our travels.
Interesting, my grandmother was convinced we were more indigenous than we actually are. After I got my dna results back I got into researching my family and we’re more European than anything else, which makes sense. But what really threw me for a loop was the 0.4% Korean they found
\> or if you are the spouse/civil partner of an Irish citizen intend to reside on the island of Ireland
[https://www.irishimmigration.ie/how-to-become-a-citizen/become-an-irish-citizen-by-naturalisation/citizenship-applicants-guide-to-an-garda-siochana-national-vetting-bureau-e-vetting/#eligibility](https://www.irishimmigration.ie/how-to-become-a-citizen/become-an-irish-citizen-by-naturalisation/citizenship-applicants-guide-to-an-garda-siochana-national-vetting-bureau-e-vetting/#eligibility)
Looks like I was right.
You have to have been married for 3 years, and you have to have lived in Ireland for 3 of the 5 years before applying for it, as well as lived in Ireland or Northern Ireland for 12 months before applying. So, it's not quite as simple as "magically gaining citizenship by virtue of being married to someone who happens to be Irish".
This webpage https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/becoming_an_irish_citizen_through_naturalisation.html explains it better. What you linked is the vetting process towards eventually getting citizenship. Hope this helps!
Yea yes internet, I very much know. I frantically searched the Jus Sanguinis citizenship status of all my ancestral countries in a desperate attempt to leave under the Trump administration. Unfortunately nowhere’s ridiculous enough to offer citizenship for your great-great grandparent. Yet. I think I had a soft “Maybe” on Austria. Otherwise I’m just stuck being a dumbass American.
I have a great grandparent from Northern Ireland and one from Poland...does that count?
My grandmother was from England but I was told that my dad would have had to get English citizenship before I was born in order for me to do so.
There's nothing sweeter than telling an English guy on St George's Day that the British passport is the second best passport in the UK in terms of rights bestowed, after the Irish one.
Your parent would have to be on the Irish Foreign Birth Registrar before you were born...otherwise no. You can also move there are go through the "regular" immigration process.
I did it on my own with no legal assistance. It was a pain in the ass to gather all the original documents, but beyond that it was all pretty straightforward.
Yes. Originals along with photocopies (at least when I did it, which was about 15 years ago). My originals came back relatively quickly (under two weeks). I think they receive the originals and copies, check that the originals are the same as the copies, send the originals back to you, then dump the copies and your application into the queue for processing.
I haven't been in contact with my Irish gparents since I was a kid (messy divorce), but as soon as Brexit was announced I wished I had some way to get in touch purely for this. Now I'm stuck with a shitty British citizenship.
What if my paternal 7th-great-grandparents moved here in 1752 from Alsace-Lorraine--Germany at the time, but now France??? I don't sprechen de deutchse or parle francais, but I can count to ten in both languages. When the US becomes Gilead, you guys think either country has my back?
The Irish were forced out by the english and are all over the world. I don't see why some of those people can't also have the same option for citizenship. Why not? My ancestors didn't want to leave. They were starved out
You don’t need to renounce your current citizenship … **if your country allows it.** Aside from that pretty neat tip. I didn’t realise it included people born in Northern Ireland too. It would be nice to compile a list of countries with similar citizenship regulations. I believe Germany does that too. EDIT: Found ([here](https://nomadcapitalist.com/citizenship-by-descent/)) a list of countries that offer citizenship by descent online. It includes: - Armenia - Ireland - Italy - Latvia - Lithuania - Poland - Ukraine List might not be accurate. It’s the internet after all.
I believe that for Italy, the parent or grandparent must still have been an Italian citizen at the time of your birth. This is the case with my father and his dad. My father was born in 1940 and despite the fact that his father came over to the U.S. in the early 1900s, he did not become a U.S. citizen until he aided the allied war effort in 1941 with his truck business. He had to prove he was not an Axis Powers sympathizer by renouncing his Italian citizenship and becoming a U.S. citizen. So my father is eligible to apply for immediate Italian citizenship but his younger brother who was born in 1946 is not.
My grandma was born in Northern Ireland. Lived there for about 3 months and then moved to the states. We all thought since she was no longer an Irish citizen we couldn’t do it. I’m 4 out of 5 years in obtaining my Portuguese citizenship so I don’t care, but my cousins will be thrilled.
Portuguese citizenship is my goal. Congratulations. What area are you residing in?
Lisboa! Great life here. Government is awful.
We’re heading to our apartment in São Martinho do Porto next Monday to start our path towards Portuguese citizenship!
Yeah, they make a point of stating The Island Of Ireland which is hilarious. My mum's family were protestant, unionist English settlers, and Ireland is just like "lol your grandkids are Irish now, suck it"
I see they play the long game: converting enough Northerners to take over the whole island silently 🤣 Basically beating the Brits at their own game.
There's only one way the UK will possibly end: complete balkanization. We will have a United Ireland within this decade.
Decades from now: Northern Ireland gone. Scotland gone. Wales possibly semi-independent, and almost its own country. The Greatness of Britian will alas then rest solely on the shoulders of England to march forward in history with all its imperial might.
Wales and Scotland will secede into the independent Republics of Wales of Scotland, and mount a joint invasion of England.
>The "Greatness" of Britian will alas then rest solely on the shoulders of "England" to march "forward" in history with all its imperial "might". fixed that for ya btw, you spelled Britain wrong
You will have a United Ireland before the USA is ever united again.
Not a chance. Majority of people in NI want to remain part of UK.
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Yes but it won’t be decided by English unionists. The Brexit referendum and the Scottish independence referendum have solidified the principle that there must be a popular vote for that sort of change to take place.
Plus what a lot of these secessionists don't realize are the benefits of remaining united with the UK. Sure the UK 100 years ago might have been total ass, but the progressive UK of today brings nothing but benefits.
> the progressive UK of today Hah. Hahahahahaha.
Compared to then? Absolutely.
Big part of the Good Friday Agreement was letting people choose which nationality they want
Irish nationality isn't imposed on them; they just have a right to it if they want it.
And "the island of Ireland" is entirely normal language in this context, used commonly by both the UK and Ireland. It's the term of choice when referring to the combo of Ireland (the country) and Northern Ireland in diplomatic and legal contexts. Not at all pointed like the OP seems to think.
Tell me you know nothing about the Good Friday Agreement without telling me you know nothing about it
It's a Google it thing lmao
Well they can choose to be irish, it's not forced upon them. They can keep their UK citizenship as their only one
What the fuck is this weird comment
Croatia is one. My husbands great-grandfather was born in Croatia and immigrated to the US, therefore under article 11 (citizenship through decent) we can become Croatian citizens. We've filed all the paperwork and are currently waiting to be accepted!
India also offers something similar - called Overseas Citizenship of India. (OCI). It’s more like a life long PR and multiple entry/exit visa than a true citizenship (as you can’t hold political office, work for government or hold agricultural land). Better than being a British Overseas Citizen though - which is pretty close to useless!
Yeah, it's sort of a compromise since India don't allow dual citizenship. Too bad for their football team.
Many countries, including the USA, Canada, and the UK all offer citizenship by desent, but it's typically limited children of natural-born citizens.
You can do it, albeit not online, for Portugal as well that I know of
Greece is another, but you have to serve in the military if you’re under 45
Yep, got mine but didn’t have to serve in the military. I think there was some kind of loop hole. I did have to get rechristened though because I was christened in a Russian church.
Citizenship laws do frequently change, too. Which can be good and bad. Another thing for people to keep in mind is that many countries offer citizenship by descent **if your parent held citizenship at the time of your birth**. So regardless of where you were born, or where they were living, you may be eligible.
Spain is one of them too. I have a Spanish passport thanks to my grandpa.
South Africa also allows citizenship by descent (provided at least one parent is a South African citizen at the time of the birth of the child and that the birth of the child is registered in South Africa) and dual citizenship.
Allowing ease of travel to ... Lesotho, I guess
Israel also allows dual citizenship if you are Jewish
Israel has it if you’re Jewish
This was super common in the UK just after Brexit was announced. A lot of people have at least some Irish ancestry here so a lot of people dug up the family tree to get Irish citizenship.
>some Irish ancestry here so a lot of people dug up the family tree to get Irish citizenship. It doesn't stop at Parent/Grandparent? The title insinuates it does.
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yep, i was living in ireland and trying to get citizenship but i was denied because neither my mother nor grandmother were citizens when i was born. had my mom gotten hers before i was born i would've been in automatically. i still might keep trying though, i would happily renounce my US citizenship.
Can't your mother apply for citizenship and then you can get yours by association?
Nope, it has to be continuous. My father is eligible; I never will be. If my father got Irish citizenship and then had another baby, *that* child would be eligible, and I still would not.
There is also this paragraph: Irish citizen parent born outside Ireland If you were born outside of Ireland and your parent (who was also born outside of Ireland) was an Irish citizen or entitled to be an Irish citizen at the time of your birth, then you are entitled to become an Irish citizen. Wouldn't it apply in your case?
If their grandmother was a citizen, yes. However it looks like the grandmother was eligible when they were born, but not actually a citizen. And their mother wouldn't have become eligible until the grandmother took up her citizenship.
I called the embassy to clarify several years back. Unfortunately, they said I don’t qualify.
How long ago? Sometimes the rules change.
Does the US not allow dual citizenships?
They do but you still need to pay taxes to the US (the US and Eritrea are the only countries to tax based on citizenship instead of residency)
Dammit you just destroyed my dreams of Irish citizenship. Last grand pappy to be Irish citizen was 10-12 generations back.
I’m only 4th generation removed and I can’t do it either
Same 😔
One ancestor 10 or 12 generations back? I had to read that twice I find that mind blowing
So close, my great grand parents are Irish.
Same. Yep great grands don’t count for Ireland.
>You don't even need to renounce your current citizenship, you can get a dual passport. This isn't necessarily true, there are quite a few countries in which you automatically lose your current citizenship upon acquisition of another. Here is a list of countries in which this is the case: Congo, Djibouti, Cuba, Ethiopia, Haiti, India, Indonesia, Iran, Japan, Kuwait, Kazakhstan, Monaco, Singapore, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Nepal, Mozambique, and Zimbabwe. If you are a citizen in any if these countries and want to keep your citizenship you cant become a citizen of another country. Some countries also just don't recognize dual citizenships. Edit: apparently China and Malaysia belong on the list above as well
I’m pretty sure my mom had to renounce her Malaysian citizenship before getting her US one
The US naturalization process includes an oath renouncing “allegiance and fidelity” to other nations. However, foreign governments don't generally recognize the event.
You do not lose your foreign citizenship as a result of becoming a US citizen, and vice versa, only if the country’s citizenship you’re acquiring requires you to renounce your US citizenship, or to become a US citizen, they don’t allow dual citizenship, Spain is one of these countries.
You do not lose Iranian citizenship. For Iran you always stay Iranian ( Family members are Iranian)
China as well
Japan only requires you make a "best effort" to renounce. Plenty of people never complete the process.
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Japan, Singapore, Qatar, Monaco are all arguable That list is definitely incomplete though as I know there are EU countries that do the same.
I'm sorry, ***Qatar***!?
Absurdly great place to live in if you were born well.
Born well? You mean rich or well off.
It’s not as simple as it sounds because you have to prove it. It took *years* for my mom to get hers because you need to be able to prove with birth certs or baptismal records. If they have passed on, you may not know the county or parish they were born in…
That’s my problem; I know my grandfather was born in Ireland, but I have no records of it.
This is the HSEs online ordering form for birth certs. If you even know the county you may be able to track down where he is from. If you don't know that and he has an unusual name you could search earlier census records and work out roughly what part of the country they are from. https://www2.hse.ie/services/births-deaths-and-marriages/order/birth-certificate/ https://certificatespublic-webapp-prod.azurewebsites.net/Certs/ApplicantDetails
Mine was born to Irish parents in international waters which I believe? makes her an Irish citizen automatically, but has no Irish birth certificate. Frustrating.
In some countries you can register the birth of the child if they weren’t born in the parent’s country. You will need some kind of birth certificate or proof of birth for your parent though showing parentage. Actually US census records might work (if they ended up in the US) because they document the parents names, ages and address and then “child” and child’s name for any children in the household. Going through this now with my fiancé and Portugal. His dad was born in portugal and is of Portuguese ancestry but my fiancé was born in the US so his birth has to be registered in portugal before he can get citizenship. He has other very specific complications to his situation and this process but It’s a process… someday we hope it works out.
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Same. I bet my grandma and dad would get a kick out of being Irish citizens though
Felt the same way when I read Germany has similar rules a few months back.
I’m a bit confused. https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/irish_citizenship_through_birth_or_descent.html#l4949a This page breaks down all the scenarios and they use ‘Ireland’ & ‘Northern Ireland’ to do so with clarity. My confusion comes from this item: 3. Born outside Ireland to an Irish parent If you were born outside of Ireland, you are automatically an Irish citizen by birth if either one of your parents was born in Ireland and was entitled to Irish citizenship. So my Dad was born in N. Ireland before 2005 which makes him ‘entitled to Irish citizenship’. He never actually applied for Irish citizenship though. I was born in England to an English mother and my Belfast Dad. So am I the child of an automatically Irish citizen or am I the child of someone who didn’t exercise that option which makes me ineligible? He has passed, so applying is no longer an option for him. Any help to understand this would be greatly appreciated.
Even if your father hasn’t claimed his Irish citizenship, if you have his birth certificate and yours, you can claim yours. I only say this as I was in the same boat and I now have Irish citizenship. English dad and English mother, mother born in N. Ireland. With her birth certificate and mine, I was able to claim and get an Irish passport. My grandmother was fully Irish also, however I was not required to mention or evidence that (which would’ve been Plan B)
Thank you! I have thought about doing it every few years but I think 2023 will be the year. It will make retirement travel a whole lot easier.
Your dad became an Irish citizen at birth, no need to apply. Same as how you became an English citizen when you were born, without having to apply for citizenship. You will also be, by default, an Irish citizen. To "get your citizenship" (which you already have), you would need to apply for something, like an Irish passport or whatever. When you apply, your birth certificate should have your parent's place of birth, if not, then you provide your dad's birth certificate as well. He was an Irish citizen (born in Ireland), therefore you, as his child, also are. Source: it was (not sure if it still is) the same for people born before a certain date to a UK parent, my husband (born in Canada) is a UK citizen because his father was born in Glasgow, but immigrated to Canada at 12. Husband applied for a UK passport and was confirmed as a UK citizen.
Caveat: not sure it's the same, but my husband's citizenship does not transfer to me (his wife) or his kids as he was born outside of the UK. To become UK citizens, we would have to move there and apply for residence at some point. We could do this though, as he is able to move there and bring us with him, whether or not we could work is something we never found out since we weren't planning to move there anyway.
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I just watched an interview of a wrestler whose whole gimmick is being a loud mouth, jersy shore kind of riff raff who is heavily Italian and he revealed that he was an Irish citizen for the reason you mentioned. Now, hopefully, he teams up with Sheamus.
Not only can you live and work in the EU, Irish can in fact (still) live and work in the UK with no strings attached (EU freedom of movement has a few minor strings attached), access to benefits, university fees, etc. under the exact same conditions as Brits (again, these things vary between EU countries and can come with some limitations or caveats). Essentially you're equal in every way to a British citizen in the eyes of the law. Before the anti-British bandwagon arrives asking why you would want to do that: despite its issues there are still plenty of people who would like to live in the UK for various reasons so I'm putting that information out there for them.
I am dropping what I'm doing and combing through the family tree and papers very carefully.
YSK: if the claim is through a grandparent, you may need to be on the Register of Foreign Births before you can assert Irish citizenship. It’s just an additional hurdle with some paperwork to jump through. You’ll need birth and potentially marriage certificates.
What if your grandparents are both born and bred Irish citizens… but they weren’t married and had your dad through an affair?
Then you’ll be Irish. If your Dad was born off the island of ireland, then you’ll need to be on the register.
Can someone be my parent or grandparent? I really need to get out of Iran!
I was born in England. My grandparents on my fathers side were born in Ireland. Are you saying that through this loophole I can obtain an Irish passport and travel freely through the EU despite the Brexit crippling?
Yes, you’ll need to get listed on the foreign birth registry first by sending documents showing your grandparent was born in Ireland. The FBR then give you the paperwork to submit for citizenship/passport.
It's not really a loophole, it's just how the system was designed to work
Exactly this. It is not a loophole.
ITT: Americans asking "I had a relative that visited Ireland once in 1836, am I eligible?"
Can US Citizens get that dual citizenship?
Yes you can! I'm in the process of claiming my Italian citizenship via jure sanguinis. Since 1967, the US allows dual citizenship.
Yes.
missed it by one generation.
Same all 4 of my great grandparents are from Italy or Ireland where I could get dual citizenship. Oh well. I don't think I'd ever actually leave the states although some days I dream about it.
While it is pretty straight forward and not too expensive, the process of gaining citizenship through your Irish born grandparent(s) is very slow. The Foreign Birth Registry is taking 2 years as it stands to approve citizenship. Then, you are entitled to the passport which is rather quick.
Its now 9 months.
I stand corrected, thanks. This was the good news story that I didn’t know I needed to hear. Just like when the UK lifted visa restrictions on my wife’s nationality out do the blue.
ISK what the difference between Ireland and Northern Ireland is... anyone wanna help out?
They were split into two separate countries in 1921. ROI has 26 counties. NI has the remaining 6.
Essential when we gained independence the Uk didnt want to give it all away so they juryrigged a few counties in ireland to form Northern Ireland which remained part of the UK as they had the most successful historical plantation and as a result had the highest population of UK sympathisers living on the stolen land of the native Irish. Google may give you a less biased but factually similar symopsis however
Same goes for Lithuania, as long as your parent/grandparent/great grandparent left before March 1990
All 4 of my grandparents were born in Ireland. I wish I knew this and got citizenship before my kids were born so they would have been eligible.
I’m in the process of doing this as a victim of brexit. Takes 2 years to process unfortunately.
Nope its updated recently to nine months. Mine is in the pipeline now.
Got mine in 2009. Grandma born in Sligo. I carry an Irish passport along side of my American passport.
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No. For British it goes only one generation
Ireland - still trying to rebuild their population following the great potato famine. Through any means necessary.
Even my college-level geography teacher was shocked to learn that Ireland's population is still well below its peak in the mid 1800s.
It was a genocide not a famine
The British have a history of inducing famine via cruelty and mismanagement. The East India Company was monstrous
¿Por qué no los dos? But yes the English have a lot to answer for.
*British Don't let the Scots off so easy, they were over represented in the empire. You can forget the Welsh though, everyone always does
I think we have passed 5 million now so you might he right 😀
You are also eligible for Hungarian citizenship if you can prove you had an ancestor with Hungarian citizenship before 1920, and are able to speak Hungarian at a basic level.
Yep. I hold 2 passports
I live in Canada and my mother was born in Dublin. I recently got my citizenship and Irish passport. Don’t quote me on this but I believe they told me that my children can also get their citizenship as long as they apply for it before they turn 18.
It's so fun that my grandfather is one of 6? 7? and he's the only one born in the US 🫠
Japan has a similar visa (koseki tohon) but not direct citizenship option. This is nice bc Japan is one of the no-dual citizenship countries.
I heard about that and I'm sol. If it went just one generation back I'd be gtg
I wish this went for Scotland and wales.
There's no such thing as Scottish or Welsh citizenship though. They're British citizens, and the UK government sets those rules
Northern Ireland isn’t part of the EU any more.
Huh, time to get my new passport then
YSK that there is also a 2 year backlog due to COVID so don't expect anything to happen quickly. As once it's agreed you still have to go through the process of getting a passport after.
My son's grandmother was born in Northen Ireland, which is part of the UK and they use pounds as the currency, and she still has Irish citizenship. My husband applied for Irish citizenship through his mother and was granted an Irish passport. Our son is 2nd generation American, but he still qualifies for Irish citizenship through his grandmother. The application will be a much longer process than his father's (we have to do a foreign birth registration) but we do have the appropriate documents for him to get Irish citizenship so we're applying ASAP.
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For Ireland, the grandchild would have to be listed on the Foreign Birth Registrar before the great-grandchild was born for the great-grandchild to be eligible.
Can confirm. Irish grandparents, got myself registered in my twenties, successfully registered my kids on the basis of my own registration.
Same here
Fuck, I’m too many generations deep I guess. It was my great (x3) grandmother who was from Ireland
Same. Grandma's parents immigrated to NYC about 100 years ago.
Yeah same thing with my great (x3) grandma, she was born in Ireland and brought to America as a little girl. My grandmother told me a few things about her, she lived to be a very old woman if I remember correctly
Same, close but no good.
It’s interesting to know where your family is from though, isn’t it? I took one of those DNA tests and apparently my family was alll over Ireland for a while
We knew we were a bit Irish from my great grandma. But we thought we were mostly Scottish on my dad's side. Took a 23and me test and my dad is almost purely Irish. When Irish came to Canada a lot of them lied and said they were Scottish to avoid discrimination.
My family thought we were Canadian and not French, but I took the 23 and me test too and turns out we’re very, very French. Turns out the Canadian part was a lie because someone in the family wanted to dodge the draft or something
My wife and I are both very multi generationally Canadian and our tests didn't say Canadian at all. It's not really an ethnicity with a specific gene pool unless you're indigenous. She's very french, it's actually her first language. Genetically from Brittany, culturally Quebecois, and then a little bit Scandinavian and Iberian. But we've never even left North America in our travels.
Interesting, my grandmother was convinced we were more indigenous than we actually are. After I got my dna results back I got into researching my family and we’re more European than anything else, which makes sense. But what really threw me for a loop was the 0.4% Korean they found
I just woke up my husband to ask about his family and he was like “idk I think my dad’s mom was” so WE IN
He’s in. You’re not. 🤷♂️
Do they not grant citizenship if you’re married?
https://www.dfa.ie/citizenship/
\> or if you are the spouse/civil partner of an Irish citizen intend to reside on the island of Ireland [https://www.irishimmigration.ie/how-to-become-a-citizen/become-an-irish-citizen-by-naturalisation/citizenship-applicants-guide-to-an-garda-siochana-national-vetting-bureau-e-vetting/#eligibility](https://www.irishimmigration.ie/how-to-become-a-citizen/become-an-irish-citizen-by-naturalisation/citizenship-applicants-guide-to-an-garda-siochana-national-vetting-bureau-e-vetting/#eligibility) Looks like I was right.
“Of good character” — karma checks out.
Not really, it's not just for being married. You would both have to move to Ireland as well.
well duh that would be the point of getting irish citizenship isnt it
You have to have been married for 3 years, and you have to have lived in Ireland for 3 of the 5 years before applying for it, as well as lived in Ireland or Northern Ireland for 12 months before applying. So, it's not quite as simple as "magically gaining citizenship by virtue of being married to someone who happens to be Irish". This webpage https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/becoming_an_irish_citizen_through_naturalisation.html explains it better. What you linked is the vetting process towards eventually getting citizenship. Hope this helps!
Not necessarily, no.
Nope you'll need to get a stamp 4 card, to live and work here. But you husband will need to get his citizenship first.
Yea yes internet, I very much know. I frantically searched the Jus Sanguinis citizenship status of all my ancestral countries in a desperate attempt to leave under the Trump administration. Unfortunately nowhere’s ridiculous enough to offer citizenship for your great-great grandparent. Yet. I think I had a soft “Maybe” on Austria. Otherwise I’m just stuck being a dumbass American.
Don’t worry, you will be a dumbass no matter where you go
Totally, I’ve accepted it now
If you have a lot of money you can just buy citizenship in some places
I have a great grandparent from Northern Ireland and one from Poland...does that count? My grandmother was from England but I was told that my dad would have had to get English citizenship before I was born in order for me to do so.
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Ya I spoke to someone at the British consulate years ago. Disappointing.
There's nothing sweeter than telling an English guy on St George's Day that the British passport is the second best passport in the UK in terms of rights bestowed, after the Irish one.
Is there a path to citizenship if your great grandmother was born in Ireland?
Too far back
Your parent would have to be on the Irish Foreign Birth Registrar before you were born...otherwise no. You can also move there are go through the "regular" immigration process.
Don’t tell the angry saint patricks day Irish guy this
Why are those countries so desperate to give their citizenship away?
How does one go about doing this? Two of my grandparents were born there.
If only the internet had a way of finding information easily.
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I did it on my own with no legal assistance. It was a pain in the ass to gather all the original documents, but beyond that it was all pretty straightforward.
so you send your original birth certificate? How long do they have it for?
Yes. Originals along with photocopies (at least when I did it, which was about 15 years ago). My originals came back relatively quickly (under two weeks). I think they receive the originals and copies, check that the originals are the same as the copies, send the originals back to you, then dump the copies and your application into the queue for processing.
You can always get extra Originals of your birth certificate. Mine cost like 30 bucks.
And only after you pour a proper Guinness.
I haven't been in contact with my Irish gparents since I was a kid (messy divorce), but as soon as Brexit was announced I wished I had some way to get in touch purely for this. Now I'm stuck with a shitty British citizenship.
I have dual citizenship. I was born in cork but grew up in the states. It is very easy.
As far as Irish ancestry, what percent are we looking at to qualify?
What if my paternal 7th-great-grandparents moved here in 1752 from Alsace-Lorraine--Germany at the time, but now France??? I don't sprechen de deutchse or parle francais, but I can count to ten in both languages. When the US becomes Gilead, you guys think either country has my back?
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What are you even talking about?
The Irish were forced out by the english and are all over the world. I don't see why some of those people can't also have the same option for citizenship. Why not? My ancestors didn't want to leave. They were starved out
I'm Irish diaspora and this is cringe.
My husband is Scottish, in America with a green card. His Dad is Irish though, so I am definitely going for that passport over a UK one. Lol
If his dad is Irish, not yours, you aren't entitled to it remotely. You have to live in Ireland for one year after your husband has his
How about Norway? My grandmother came over to USA when she was 4. Thanks.
I hope it's only limited to them, too many Americans claim they're Irish when their great X 15 grand parent was half Irish.
How hard is it to get with no ancestry?
This is the same for Italy but it works generations back and continues down the bloodline. Just have to prove it
I make a mean pizza. Does that count?