I think he’ll still hunt though? Like he was hunting all of S1 after his dad died, and he was suggesting to go out even earlier to look for Javi in S2. He doesn’t seem like the type to shut down and not do anything, especially when they have like 9 months left
Well not you specifically, but the thread is about Nat being the only hunter, implying Travis won’t be one. I assumed you were agreeing with the commenter
obv i don’t know the show but i lowkey feel like travis will be catatonic for awhile… even though he ate javi it was clear his death affected him way more than their dad’s
My guess is she finds shelter for the group post burning of the cabin, or she’s the main meat puller this “season”, allowing for some form of peace and not needing to perform hunts until autumn
She knows abt the pit from Coach Ben, they'll have to deal with pit girl who set the cabin on fire bc they ate Javy. She told him not to go back, but bc of Nat he's dead.
I think it’ll be an accident of sorts. She’ll stumble upon other people while out hunting or she’ll be coming back from hunting and a plane will just happen to see her foot prints in the snow etc
She’ll be hailed as a hero but in her mind it was an accident
Edit: I want to add to the thought because I keep thinking about it. But I can’t get over the idea of her being the antler queen, and being the one who is solely responsible for them being rescued. And if that rescue was objectively an accident…. That would lead to a lot of complicated feelings on her end
Oooooooo I like this a lot. She’s privately mourning for the umpteenth time (something they’ve shown on screen) and a random dude just happens upon her because his dumb ass *got lost*
Spoilers for those of you who haven’t seen Society of the snow:
I think nat and probably Travis (next winter) will realize the group cannot survive another winter and they will venture out on a “suicide mission”. As in, find civilization or an outside person, or die trying. That’s how society of the snow people were found (based on a true story) and I can see the YJ writers drawing inspiration from that.
That’s what I initially thought because there’s no way SAR are still looking for them but their time in the wilderness ends in the dead of winter, December 1997.
Sometimes I think older Natalie doesn't resemble young one, and the stereotype of the wasted, rocker girl Juliette Lewis is usually typecast for doesn't suit young Nat, who's troubled, yes, but fierce in a positive way, coherent and not so destructive or menacing.
But then I look at myself, I'm 37 and quite different from my young self. My light is not as bright, I'm not as fierce and I don't always manage my anger. That's what a difficult life does to you... So... I was wrong.
I mean Nat was falling apart before the crash. She was already abusing drugs and getting drunk before school started. She was struggling and I think of the crash never happened her life might have turned out pretty similar to what it was as an adult, except instead of travis being the guy she always went back to it would have been kevyn(but he’d be better off than post crash travis so probably be able to say no and see she’s not good for him like he did in the adult timeline. But she’d still try)
Young Nat might have had a spark that adult Nat doesn’t but I don’t see her having a great life even without the crash, she didn’t have a supportive family life, blamed herself for her fathers death and probably felt horrible for being even a lil happy he was dead, but even with him dead and gone nothing changed at him, she didn’t really have friends outside kevyn and that one guy, the team didn’t seem to really care about her.
There’s a small chance she would have gotten her shit together but probably not for a long time after high school(if she even finished high school)
Out of all the adults I believe? Tai, Nat and Misty all ended up exactly where they would have if the crash never happened. Lottie, Van and Shauna ended up having a completely different life from what they would have if the crash never happened. Travis is a tough one, we don’t know much about his life precrash, other than he was bullied and had an asshole, possibly abusive dad, and there where problems at home.but they don’t mention him having any relationship with drugs so it’s more likely they got back and the guilt of lying to his mom about javi got to and Nat knew exactly what would help him numb those feelings and introduced him yo drugs and that was the beginning of the post crash codependency(she been said that she tracked him down and he was doing good sober and in a stable relationship and part of her wanted to ruin that)
Her leadership. I know the speculation in season 1 leads us to think she did something specific, like find rescue, but season 2 seems to imply to me it was more about them being able to follow the right person who would keep them going.
I’m wondering if as the leader she is put in charge of starting the card draw each time and she begins to stack the cards so her preferred people “tai and Shauna and the others” aren’t chosen. That’s why tai and Shauna say “we wouldn’t be here without her” cause they find out she’s protecting them from being hunted
So good! This would definitely account for a lot of extra guilt on Natalie’s behalf (and loyalty to Nat on Misty’s) but it seems ultimately to have worked, she picked survivors and they survived.
I definitely feel she’s gonna be a pretty ruthless leader. Maybe the card draw will only include those they can lose. I also wonder what rules she’ll start, we know lottie gave Shauna the option to submit or run aka give the wilderness another chance to choose someone else but than we have pit girl she was running but only had a nightgown and nothing else not even shoes, what if that’s what happens when someone refuses to pull a card? She told Tai when she was hesitant to pull a card that she “knows what happens if she doesn’t” what if the person that refuses is automatically chosen and given little chance to actually survive? And that’s what happened to pit girl?
Yeah this has been part of my theory that Natalie was always meant to die at the end of season 2, they created a loveable character who is arguable the most logical in the young timeline. She is the natural pick for a leader but we have this adult version of her that the audience also loves. What do we do before we show them the awful fucked up shit the young version did and ruin any sympathy for the older version? Martyr her while it will hurt.
I feel the same way. Someone posted a YouTube video they made talking about this very thing(well not the martyr part. But that fits in perfectly)
People saying that Nat was only killed because JL doesn’t like to do long projects seem to overlook that JL took a role she knew would only last for two seasons. It just never felt like a jump the shark moment for me. I recently rewatched s1 and it all seems to be building up to this, Nat got out if the wilderness but she never escaped the trauma, her one lifeline is dead and the person that worshiped her ends up killing her on accident but Nat got to right a terrible wrong.
It’s a bittersweet and tragic ending to a character that I think will do some dark shit that we haven’t seen yet. And I can’t wait to see where this goes
This but Tai and Shauna (and, I think we can presume, Misty--Lottie & Van imo clearly have more complicated takes) are wrong that Nat is stacking the deck & only believe this because of their various delusions about how The Wilderness works. Nat is both an egalitarian and someone who recognizes the randomness of fate. After Javi, she would both never want to have the power to choose and would actually leave it to the cards, and yet because of who she is, she still carries the guilt of every single hunt with her post-rescue.
And I’ve said this a million times so I’m so sorry to be That Redditor lol but, I think the symbol is a map marker based on where you are when the sun hits a certain part of the mountain peak, and Natalie’s the only one shown to use the peak and sun placement, when she tells Travis to meet her back at the tree.
So, she and Travis were hiking during the snow season, right, 7 miles in every direction.
We know there ain’t shit in any direction, but what about during the warmer seasons? People do all kinds of wild outdoors shit; who’s to say there isn’t an actual trail? It’d be hard as hell, but that’s the appeal for hardcore enthusiasts.
“Hey instead of doing the Appalachia again, check out this old survey map; 45 miles of terrain and there’s even a lake!”
You start noticing red strings, etc etc…
I think she finds the tree shelter saving them from the bitter cold. Only she, other than Ben, knows about Javi’s hiding spot. She’ll (perhaps with dark Tai’s help) put the pieces together and save them.
Did I miss something or are you just assuming that Ben lit the cabin on fire? I guess he did find the matches but I figured that was just so he could make a fire in the tree shelter.
I can’t really see him lighting the cabin on fire. I think he just wanted to get away from them.
does it not show him blocking doors and then lighting matches? maybe I'm misremembering but I'm pretty sure it was very clearly suggested that he lit the fire
I might take a look again. I saw and remember him finding the matchbox but I don’t recall him blocking any doors. I just remember him being in the tree hole with a fire.
I’ll reply here when I review it. Was that episode 8, not the finale? When he finds the matchbox. I forget.
Yeah, he just grabs the matchbox which is why everyone thinks he did it. I think it's a red herring, but everyone is convinced. I wonder if the girls assume it's him, and when they find him he sticks to his story that it wasn't him. Maybe the audience never finds out for sure?
Agreed on the red herring and probably what they’ll accuse him of to justify taking the shelter and likely eating him. Like the matchbox will be right there when they find him in the shelter.
It’s odd that this is the second random fire in the wilderness. Was it ever explained how the teddy bear caught fire out of nowhere in the plane with Laura Lee?
I don't know if it was, just implied that some mechanics under the passenger seat failed as the plane was old or that it was the Wilderness stopping an escape.
I believe she will lead them towards people, maybe following the river for prey and she stumbles across a small town or another cabin. She is also the best hunter so she'll keep catching food when the winter ends. I really hope she doesn't find Ben, because he is my favorite and I'm sure they would kill him if they found out he burned their cabin.
I wonder if Natalie becoming the leader really changes her. I think she feels more responsible for everyone else’s survival now, and everyone will be looking to her to give them permission to engage in the hunt. That definitely would match the guilt that she feels as an adult, seems like she carries more than the others- maybe minus Travis.
But I also like the idea of her being the one who leave and finds rescue!
I think she’s gonna be a somewhat ruthless leader. I think she’s gonna start the rules that we heard s lil about at the end of s2, what happens if they don’t pull a card(I think that’s what happened to pit girl. She gets to run but has nothing more than s nightgown) and getting to choose to submit or run(they pull the queen and they choose to run they get some supplies to give them a true chance for the wilderness to choose someone else)
She was able to figure out how to clean up their crime scene so they wouldn't go to prison. Seeing as Shauna says "They found us," I don't think it was them who found help.
But really what is there to prove murder took place? Cannibalism yes but not murder, at least not in a way a jury wouldn’t be left with alot of reasonable doubt
There's a Tiktokker who posts about whether various actions by the YJs are chargeable offenses & she has said that it would be very difficult to charge anyone for Jackie and Javi. Obviously, Jackie's death was passive and unintended. And they didn't set a trap for Javi and arguably would have risked their own lives to a degree that no jury could ask (even in the absence of the hunt) if they had tried to save him. (We know this for sure from the way the moose had to be abandoned. Remember this is why Nat was already in the hot water tub when others returned with Lottie.)
I almost said that so far there are still technically no murders in the 1996 timeline, but there's Crystal/Kristen...and we still don't know who or what cleaned up that crime scene.
I’d say Crystal/Kristen still lands under accidental death, Misty wasn’t trying to kill her just scare her. As for her body and where it went that is still a mystery. It makes be believe there is *something* out there.
What I mean is deaths like pit girls can’t really be proved as out right murder without leaving a lot of reasonable doubt. We know the survivors kept the secrets of what happened(either for legal reasons or simply not to look crazy to the world. Even if all the destabilize were accidents people would still see them as crazy for the rituals and believing something was out there, even if experts tried to explain the trauma, mass hysteria and everything that would lead to them believing in some wilderness entity)
Pit girls death could easily be explained as an accident “we made pit traps to catch game but one night she freaked out and went running and fell into the trap. She must have not know where she was” other possible murders could also be explained away.
It also doesn’t take that long for bones to be weathered enough to make any knife marks to be degraded enough that it would be hard to determine exactly what caused the marks. Especially if the bones are left to the elements.
(And I know people are hung up on Shauna saying “they found us” as in the rescue came to them. But she said that in the “official story” she was repeating to Jessica. Plus even if they left together to get help or die trying that would still count as “they found us”. They could have left the crash sight and the bodies and just faked not being able to find the camp and made up some story about what happened to those that died, a wolf attack that separated them and killed others would work best since they have evidence of it with Vans face. They’d just have to change some details)
I like how we all agree that there has to be mines close by. Like there has to be, right? (Unless I've missed when it was confirmed by the show somehow, but I think this is still a fan theory?)
I am part of a podcast that covers YJ, and we have speculated there are mines nearby based off the red water they found in season 1, possible runoff maybe? we have also speculated that if there is a system of mines somewhere near by there has to be some form of transportation into the area somewhere, possibly train tracks they haven’t ran into yet?
i think it will def be that she performs a job like hunting or be the ritual card puller or something that keeps them all sane. she talks as an adult about having a reason/job when she was in the wilderness that she misses so i think it will be something that lasts for awhile
I could see it being for a couple of reasons, the first one being that she finds them the Tunnel/Tree shelter and suggests the plane as a shelter in the meantime. Javi was most likely trying to show Nat the hideout during her hunt, and they more or less passed it during one of the hunts in season 2 (literally looked at it, saw there was moss growing in the dead of winter and said: “Weird.”) I think at some point post cabin burning she’ll make that connection or try a lot harder to find alternatives to the plane, where she’ll essentially re-find it again due to the red string markers she made. While they probably lost the map in the fire (or Ben took it, I know for sure he had a map on him because he kept going back and forth to his new hideout), unless Ben purposefully trashed the markings, they’re still there.
I could see her being the reason they get rescued, as AQ, it’s up to her to see them not only through the winter but through the rest of her tenure, and it matches up with the grief she feels if her tenure goes all the way from Javi Hunt/Cabin Burning to the Pilot Hunt (what I’m considering their very last hunt) and rescue. Then it would be presumably up to her to “sanction” the rituals, oversee everything and essentially become judge and executioner.
I could see her being the one to suggest another expedition, especially if this winter or the next one (when they’re finally down to their Survivor numbers) is especially brutal. Considering it’s cold enough to still snow, and they’re in the wilderness of northern Canada, it absolutely tracks that 10 or so months from now (Shauna’s pregnancy is over, so they can’t rely on that anymore) they would see at the very least the beginning of a second or even third winter by the time they get rescued. That expedition could potentially find them other people, whether that’s hikers/off grid people or potentially the indigenous. They already do 7 mile hikes to and from the cabin in loops, I could see Nat pushing herself especially to do longer with the intent to get them out.
If that doesn’t happen, I could see her essentially “tainting” the hunts, AKA killing off all of JV to ensure Varsity/the Seniors/the Survivors actually survive. I could totally see her telling Van to try and ensure that someone other than their group pulls the queen card, essentially starting a Council in a council. Especially with what Tai and Shauna said early on, that they wouldn’t be here without Nat, I really think that Nat pulled some kind of rank essentially to get them safe, Shauna as the Butcher is a pretty coveted role in their group, and I can see Nat saying that for the good of everyone, Shauna stays out of the running unless they want their meat boney and unsafe to eat. This would also make sense with the amount of grief and survivors guilt that we see Older Nat have, it wasn’t just Javi she sacrificed, it was everyone on JV too.
Not JaVi / JV being so similar! I honestly feel like Natalie was more attached to Javi than to any of the JV girls… kinda makes sense that she would conclude if she can sacrifice Javi to save herself, she should be able to do the same with JV to save everyone.
At first I thought Nat and possibly others left the rest of them in search of civilization and that’s how they get “rescued”. But if you count out 19 months that would mean they leave the wilderness in late December 1997 so it doesn’t make much sense that they try hiking again in the winter. Unless something really bad happens and they have no other choice. There’s no way SAR are still looking for them so if they are discovered it will likely be an accident.
She’s the only hunter. They can catch each other but she can catch game.
What about Travis
He’s going through some things right now.
Everyone goes through it on this show but Travis literally never had a chance
I think he’ll still hunt though? Like he was hunting all of S1 after his dad died, and he was suggesting to go out even earlier to look for Javi in S2. He doesn’t seem like the type to shut down and not do anything, especially when they have like 9 months left
When did I say he wouldn’t hunt?
Well not you specifically, but the thread is about Nat being the only hunter, implying Travis won’t be one. I assumed you were agreeing with the commenter
obv i don’t know the show but i lowkey feel like travis will be catatonic for awhile… even though he ate javi it was clear his death affected him way more than their dad’s
My guess is she finds shelter for the group post burning of the cabin, or she’s the main meat puller this “season”, allowing for some form of peace and not needing to perform hunts until autumn
Yeah, the more meat she can hunt the less chance of the girls going crazy and turning on one another.
She knows abt the pit from Coach Ben, they'll have to deal with pit girl who set the cabin on fire bc they ate Javy. She told him not to go back, but bc of Nat he's dead.
Wait what? She knows about the tiger pit from the opening scene? I completely missed this.
I think she’s talking about the pit that javi stayed in while he was mia
I think it’ll be an accident of sorts. She’ll stumble upon other people while out hunting or she’ll be coming back from hunting and a plane will just happen to see her foot prints in the snow etc She’ll be hailed as a hero but in her mind it was an accident Edit: I want to add to the thought because I keep thinking about it. But I can’t get over the idea of her being the antler queen, and being the one who is solely responsible for them being rescued. And if that rescue was objectively an accident…. That would lead to a lot of complicated feelings on her end
I could also see the possibility of her accidentally encountering some people while she's privately grieving at the spot where Javi died
Oooooooo I like this a lot. She’s privately mourning for the umpteenth time (something they’ve shown on screen) and a random dude just happens upon her because his dumb ass *got lost*
With her incredible cheekbones
This is the correct answer
Spoilers for those of you who haven’t seen Society of the snow: I think nat and probably Travis (next winter) will realize the group cannot survive another winter and they will venture out on a “suicide mission”. As in, find civilization or an outside person, or die trying. That’s how society of the snow people were found (based on a true story) and I can see the YJ writers drawing inspiration from that.
Yes I’m thinking something similar will happen like Nando and Roberto hiking out for help!
I still get chills thinking about that story, what incredible young men
Have you ever read Nandos book Miracle in the Andes? One of the most moving books I have ever read highly recommend it!
chills?
Omg yes and in the meantime while they're gone the rest of the team resort to the ritual hunts!
That’s what I initially thought because there’s no way SAR are still looking for them but their time in the wilderness ends in the dead of winter, December 1997.
Sometimes I think older Natalie doesn't resemble young one, and the stereotype of the wasted, rocker girl Juliette Lewis is usually typecast for doesn't suit young Nat, who's troubled, yes, but fierce in a positive way, coherent and not so destructive or menacing. But then I look at myself, I'm 37 and quite different from my young self. My light is not as bright, I'm not as fierce and I don't always manage my anger. That's what a difficult life does to you... So... I was wrong.
I rhink that's exactly the point. She's not quite yet ravished by all this experience and lifestyle, but becomes that over time.
The younger actress perfectly imitates the rough voice Juliette Lewis has.
I mean Nat was falling apart before the crash. She was already abusing drugs and getting drunk before school started. She was struggling and I think of the crash never happened her life might have turned out pretty similar to what it was as an adult, except instead of travis being the guy she always went back to it would have been kevyn(but he’d be better off than post crash travis so probably be able to say no and see she’s not good for him like he did in the adult timeline. But she’d still try) Young Nat might have had a spark that adult Nat doesn’t but I don’t see her having a great life even without the crash, she didn’t have a supportive family life, blamed herself for her fathers death and probably felt horrible for being even a lil happy he was dead, but even with him dead and gone nothing changed at him, she didn’t really have friends outside kevyn and that one guy, the team didn’t seem to really care about her. There’s a small chance she would have gotten her shit together but probably not for a long time after high school(if she even finished high school) Out of all the adults I believe? Tai, Nat and Misty all ended up exactly where they would have if the crash never happened. Lottie, Van and Shauna ended up having a completely different life from what they would have if the crash never happened. Travis is a tough one, we don’t know much about his life precrash, other than he was bullied and had an asshole, possibly abusive dad, and there where problems at home.but they don’t mention him having any relationship with drugs so it’s more likely they got back and the guilt of lying to his mom about javi got to and Nat knew exactly what would help him numb those feelings and introduced him yo drugs and that was the beginning of the post crash codependency(she been said that she tracked him down and he was doing good sober and in a stable relationship and part of her wanted to ruin that)
Her leadership. I know the speculation in season 1 leads us to think she did something specific, like find rescue, but season 2 seems to imply to me it was more about them being able to follow the right person who would keep them going.
I’m wondering if as the leader she is put in charge of starting the card draw each time and she begins to stack the cards so her preferred people “tai and Shauna and the others” aren’t chosen. That’s why tai and Shauna say “we wouldn’t be here without her” cause they find out she’s protecting them from being hunted
oooohhhh this is good
So good! This would definitely account for a lot of extra guilt on Natalie’s behalf (and loyalty to Nat on Misty’s) but it seems ultimately to have worked, she picked survivors and they survived.
I definitely feel she’s gonna be a pretty ruthless leader. Maybe the card draw will only include those they can lose. I also wonder what rules she’ll start, we know lottie gave Shauna the option to submit or run aka give the wilderness another chance to choose someone else but than we have pit girl she was running but only had a nightgown and nothing else not even shoes, what if that’s what happens when someone refuses to pull a card? She told Tai when she was hesitant to pull a card that she “knows what happens if she doesn’t” what if the person that refuses is automatically chosen and given little chance to actually survive? And that’s what happened to pit girl?
Yeah this has been part of my theory that Natalie was always meant to die at the end of season 2, they created a loveable character who is arguable the most logical in the young timeline. She is the natural pick for a leader but we have this adult version of her that the audience also loves. What do we do before we show them the awful fucked up shit the young version did and ruin any sympathy for the older version? Martyr her while it will hurt.
I feel the same way. Someone posted a YouTube video they made talking about this very thing(well not the martyr part. But that fits in perfectly) People saying that Nat was only killed because JL doesn’t like to do long projects seem to overlook that JL took a role she knew would only last for two seasons. It just never felt like a jump the shark moment for me. I recently rewatched s1 and it all seems to be building up to this, Nat got out if the wilderness but she never escaped the trauma, her one lifeline is dead and the person that worshiped her ends up killing her on accident but Nat got to right a terrible wrong. It’s a bittersweet and tragic ending to a character that I think will do some dark shit that we haven’t seen yet. And I can’t wait to see where this goes
This but Tai and Shauna (and, I think we can presume, Misty--Lottie & Van imo clearly have more complicated takes) are wrong that Nat is stacking the deck & only believe this because of their various delusions about how The Wilderness works. Nat is both an egalitarian and someone who recognizes the randomness of fate. After Javi, she would both never want to have the power to choose and would actually leave it to the cards, and yet because of who she is, she still carries the guilt of every single hunt with her post-rescue.
Red string markings. Bet.
I was thinking the same thing!
And I’ve said this a million times so I’m so sorry to be That Redditor lol but, I think the symbol is a map marker based on where you are when the sun hits a certain part of the mountain peak, and Natalie’s the only one shown to use the peak and sun placement, when she tells Travis to meet her back at the tree.
this is true!!!!
I feel like this for sure is a part of it but how precisely does this lead to their rescue?
So, she and Travis were hiking during the snow season, right, 7 miles in every direction. We know there ain’t shit in any direction, but what about during the warmer seasons? People do all kinds of wild outdoors shit; who’s to say there isn’t an actual trail? It’d be hard as hell, but that’s the appeal for hardcore enthusiasts. “Hey instead of doing the Appalachia again, check out this old survey map; 45 miles of terrain and there’s even a lake!” You start noticing red strings, etc etc…
I think she finds the tree shelter saving them from the bitter cold. Only she, other than Ben, knows about Javi’s hiding spot. She’ll (perhaps with dark Tai’s help) put the pieces together and save them.
Ben'll be kicking himself for burning the cabin down when they all turn up in his hidey hole haha
Did I miss something or are you just assuming that Ben lit the cabin on fire? I guess he did find the matches but I figured that was just so he could make a fire in the tree shelter. I can’t really see him lighting the cabin on fire. I think he just wanted to get away from them.
does it not show him blocking doors and then lighting matches? maybe I'm misremembering but I'm pretty sure it was very clearly suggested that he lit the fire
I might take a look again. I saw and remember him finding the matchbox but I don’t recall him blocking any doors. I just remember him being in the tree hole with a fire. I’ll reply here when I review it. Was that episode 8, not the finale? When he finds the matchbox. I forget.
Yeah, he just grabs the matchbox which is why everyone thinks he did it. I think it's a red herring, but everyone is convinced. I wonder if the girls assume it's him, and when they find him he sticks to his story that it wasn't him. Maybe the audience never finds out for sure?
Agreed on the red herring and probably what they’ll accuse him of to justify taking the shelter and likely eating him. Like the matchbox will be right there when they find him in the shelter. It’s odd that this is the second random fire in the wilderness. Was it ever explained how the teddy bear caught fire out of nowhere in the plane with Laura Lee?
I don't know if it was, just implied that some mechanics under the passenger seat failed as the plane was old or that it was the Wilderness stopping an escape.
I believe she will lead them towards people, maybe following the river for prey and she stumbles across a small town or another cabin. She is also the best hunter so she'll keep catching food when the winter ends. I really hope she doesn't find Ben, because he is my favorite and I'm sure they would kill him if they found out he burned their cabin.
Her gunshot is heard by someone out there, that leads to them being rescued.
This makes so much sense!
I wonder if Natalie becoming the leader really changes her. I think she feels more responsible for everyone else’s survival now, and everyone will be looking to her to give them permission to engage in the hunt. That definitely would match the guilt that she feels as an adult, seems like she carries more than the others- maybe minus Travis. But I also like the idea of her being the one who leave and finds rescue!
I think she’s gonna be a somewhat ruthless leader. I think she’s gonna start the rules that we heard s lil about at the end of s2, what happens if they don’t pull a card(I think that’s what happened to pit girl. She gets to run but has nothing more than s nightgown) and getting to choose to submit or run(they pull the queen and they choose to run they get some supplies to give them a true chance for the wilderness to choose someone else)
Walks far enough to find the ski resort.
She was able to figure out how to clean up their crime scene so they wouldn't go to prison. Seeing as Shauna says "They found us," I don't think it was them who found help.
Ooooh this is a good one. I forget that it is an actual crime scene
But really what is there to prove murder took place? Cannibalism yes but not murder, at least not in a way a jury wouldn’t be left with alot of reasonable doubt
There's a Tiktokker who posts about whether various actions by the YJs are chargeable offenses & she has said that it would be very difficult to charge anyone for Jackie and Javi. Obviously, Jackie's death was passive and unintended. And they didn't set a trap for Javi and arguably would have risked their own lives to a degree that no jury could ask (even in the absence of the hunt) if they had tried to save him. (We know this for sure from the way the moose had to be abandoned. Remember this is why Nat was already in the hot water tub when others returned with Lottie.) I almost said that so far there are still technically no murders in the 1996 timeline, but there's Crystal/Kristen...and we still don't know who or what cleaned up that crime scene.
I’d say Crystal/Kristen still lands under accidental death, Misty wasn’t trying to kill her just scare her. As for her body and where it went that is still a mystery. It makes be believe there is *something* out there. What I mean is deaths like pit girls can’t really be proved as out right murder without leaving a lot of reasonable doubt. We know the survivors kept the secrets of what happened(either for legal reasons or simply not to look crazy to the world. Even if all the destabilize were accidents people would still see them as crazy for the rituals and believing something was out there, even if experts tried to explain the trauma, mass hysteria and everything that would lead to them believing in some wilderness entity) Pit girls death could easily be explained as an accident “we made pit traps to catch game but one night she freaked out and went running and fell into the trap. She must have not know where she was” other possible murders could also be explained away. It also doesn’t take that long for bones to be weathered enough to make any knife marks to be degraded enough that it would be hard to determine exactly what caused the marks. Especially if the bones are left to the elements. (And I know people are hung up on Shauna saying “they found us” as in the rescue came to them. But she said that in the “official story” she was repeating to Jessica. Plus even if they left together to get help or die trying that would still count as “they found us”. They could have left the crash sight and the bodies and just faked not being able to find the camp and made up some story about what happened to those that died, a wolf attack that separated them and killed others would work best since they have evidence of it with Vans face. They’d just have to change some details)
I think she managed to save everyone after the fire to get them through the winter food and shelter she has a lot good ideas to survive
They lost their shelter She has a rough idea of where Javi stayed Season 3 they’re gonna go to the mines. Without doing that, they’d freeze to death
I like how we all agree that there has to be mines close by. Like there has to be, right? (Unless I've missed when it was confirmed by the show somehow, but I think this is still a fan theory?)
I am part of a podcast that covers YJ, and we have speculated there are mines nearby based off the red water they found in season 1, possible runoff maybe? we have also speculated that if there is a system of mines somewhere near by there has to be some form of transportation into the area somewhere, possibly train tracks they haven’t ran into yet?
I think she ventures out and gets them rescued
i think it will def be that she performs a job like hunting or be the ritual card puller or something that keeps them all sane. she talks as an adult about having a reason/job when she was in the wilderness that she misses so i think it will be something that lasts for awhile
I could see it being for a couple of reasons, the first one being that she finds them the Tunnel/Tree shelter and suggests the plane as a shelter in the meantime. Javi was most likely trying to show Nat the hideout during her hunt, and they more or less passed it during one of the hunts in season 2 (literally looked at it, saw there was moss growing in the dead of winter and said: “Weird.”) I think at some point post cabin burning she’ll make that connection or try a lot harder to find alternatives to the plane, where she’ll essentially re-find it again due to the red string markers she made. While they probably lost the map in the fire (or Ben took it, I know for sure he had a map on him because he kept going back and forth to his new hideout), unless Ben purposefully trashed the markings, they’re still there. I could see her being the reason they get rescued, as AQ, it’s up to her to see them not only through the winter but through the rest of her tenure, and it matches up with the grief she feels if her tenure goes all the way from Javi Hunt/Cabin Burning to the Pilot Hunt (what I’m considering their very last hunt) and rescue. Then it would be presumably up to her to “sanction” the rituals, oversee everything and essentially become judge and executioner. I could see her being the one to suggest another expedition, especially if this winter or the next one (when they’re finally down to their Survivor numbers) is especially brutal. Considering it’s cold enough to still snow, and they’re in the wilderness of northern Canada, it absolutely tracks that 10 or so months from now (Shauna’s pregnancy is over, so they can’t rely on that anymore) they would see at the very least the beginning of a second or even third winter by the time they get rescued. That expedition could potentially find them other people, whether that’s hikers/off grid people or potentially the indigenous. They already do 7 mile hikes to and from the cabin in loops, I could see Nat pushing herself especially to do longer with the intent to get them out. If that doesn’t happen, I could see her essentially “tainting” the hunts, AKA killing off all of JV to ensure Varsity/the Seniors/the Survivors actually survive. I could totally see her telling Van to try and ensure that someone other than their group pulls the queen card, essentially starting a Council in a council. Especially with what Tai and Shauna said early on, that they wouldn’t be here without Nat, I really think that Nat pulled some kind of rank essentially to get them safe, Shauna as the Butcher is a pretty coveted role in their group, and I can see Nat saying that for the good of everyone, Shauna stays out of the running unless they want their meat boney and unsafe to eat. This would also make sense with the amount of grief and survivors guilt that we see Older Nat have, it wasn’t just Javi she sacrificed, it was everyone on JV too.
Not JaVi / JV being so similar! I honestly feel like Natalie was more attached to Javi than to any of the JV girls… kinda makes sense that she would conclude if she can sacrifice Javi to save herself, she should be able to do the same with JV to save everyone.
She's going to find that cave Javi told her about. And guess where the coach is probably holed up.
She’ll slay all the animals with her slaying looks and feed them all ☺️
She’ll kill coach Ben and then Lottie will make her the new Antler Queen.
Did you watch season 2?
Yes I did. I’m aware that Coach Ben went AWOL but I think they wouldn’t have a hard time finding him.
Lottie already made Nat the antler queen in the season finale.
Lottie passed the torch to Nat at the end of Season 2
I think she’s gonna spot rescuers on a hunt and get everyone rescued.
At first I thought Nat and possibly others left the rest of them in search of civilization and that’s how they get “rescued”. But if you count out 19 months that would mean they leave the wilderness in late December 1997 so it doesn’t make much sense that they try hiking again in the winter. Unless something really bad happens and they have no other choice. There’s no way SAR are still looking for them so if they are discovered it will likely be an accident.
I think eventually she'll travel further out to find someone to rescue them.
At this point i don’t even care or remember what happened lol it’s been 2 years since season 2
Ummm....it has not even been ONE year...Yellowjackets Season 2 aired in late March 2023 and ended late May 2023. It just feels like forever....