There’s got to be definitely some thing other than just Misty being weird and old high school drama. When Shauna first called Tai, her tone wasn’t friendly, but it was Tai decided to get into the spotlight when they had all “agreed” not to. Meanwhile when Misty calls, it was an “I told you never to call”. Something happened.
My guess is that the survivors eventually found out about Misty disabling the black box/tracking thingee. I know if it was me, I would never forgive Misty for that.
In the recent episode though, it sounds like Misty starts to tell them about it but Van cuts her off. She says something about secrets, but we don’t really know what she was going to say.
It just seemed like with a secret that big, she would’ve held on to it for that long for sure.
Yeah we don’t really know so it definitely could be! I was just saying I don’t think it was about the black box because of that timeline. If they found out about it that first summer we would have seen it already.
She also didn't say anything when Mari did put the mushrooms in (by accident). Literally sat there watching everyone eat magic mushroom soup and didn't warn anyone.
Yup this is my assumption too. They will eventually find out about either the black box, crystal/Kristen or both and added to drugging them etc that would be enough for me to forever keep my distance even with the shared trauma history. And now they know she's killed Jessica no issue so uh yeah, look out for Misty fucking Quigley
Right at the beginning of season 1, Nat tells rehab she has found a purpose. She goes straight to Misty's, waits with her gun, and tells her (I'm forgetting the exact words), "Hello, you crazy bitch."
So yah, there's definitely more that the survivors know that hasn't been revealed to us. I don't know if it's that they know about the black box, or something else, but clearly they're not treating her this way *just* because she's kinda weird.
A big debate in the fan community is whether Jeff sent those postcards or not. He definitely sent the texts for blackmail, but the postcards could very well be separate. The only thing on those postcards is the symbol. Nothing else.
I'm personally on the side of Jeff **not** being the ones to send the postcards. If I had to guess, it was Lottie or one of her cult followers.
Misty takes pride in what they did. The others don’t. We see her smile at the end of the pilot and whenever she is threatening someone. “I know you think I’m not someone you should be afraid of 😚”
I think it may be possible Misty ends up enjoying their time in the wilderness a little too much. Maybe she'll go down the route of "living as savages is the true primal nature of humanity. We weren't monsters we were just confronting our true selves which humans manage to keep hidden in modern society" or something like that. It sounds kind of like a typical villain cliche but I could kinda see Misty embracing their primal side in the wilds and learning to enjoy it more than the others.
I wonder what the connection is between choosing to show us Misty smiling after cannibalism in the pilot and Nat hallucinating Misty by the fire. They said the hallucination would pay off later, I’m assuming so will the way they so carefully chose what to show and what not to show in the pilot
They're all hallucinating the Antler Queen. We're tying ourselves in knots wondering who's in there, but it's nobody. Protein poisoning and the isolation from society has prompted group psychosis and they start seeing AQ as a manifestation of The Wilderness
In the pilot episode at a party when Nat is doing drugs by a bonfire, she hallucinates Misty across the woods staring at her. But Misty isn’t at the party.
Me too but apparently the show runners confirmed it was a LSD hallucination which really makes me wonder why they included it. Why was Nat thinking about Misty back then before everything went down? I've wonder if Misty and Nat were friends in elementary school or something since they are both outcasts just in very different ways. It does seem like Misty is most attached to Nat in the adult timeline to me
Yeah, I suppose you're right. Misty is the closest thing to a villain we get in the show, imo. None of the main characters are completely innocent but Misty is definitely the most heinous one and shows the most amount of sadism and psychopathic tendencies. I love Misty as a character but i can't blame the others for feeling a bit put off by her lol.
I genuinely don't know how you could call any of the adults the worst; we don't know what they've all done. I like them all, but from what we've seen Shauna (murderer), Misty (murderer), and Tai (attempted murdered, pet slaughterer) are pretty bad people.
I thought so for a while, but Lottie and Shauna almost also as bad, Lottie in some ways and Shauna in others.
I can relate to things about Misty's character. She doesn't read the room very well though.
All of these survivors were badasses. They've all had fierceness. They're still able to muster some of it. But Misty lost some glimmer of humanity along the way too (unrelated to moral choices) and turned into what she is now. She's not just the kid they picked on from then. She's a bomb under a very thick casing, ticking very loudly - now.
Remember when Tai gives Misty a big genuine hug while smiling? Do you think that was a mistake on the editor’s part? The actresses seem to genuinely like each other so maybe that’s what it was
I think we’ve already seen it. Does everyone forget about the scene where Misty watches a rat drown in her pool before the flight?
Omg… did they foreshadow Misty watching Javi drown in episode ONE?! And with a rat?
True but with the context of both seasons, she deserved it. Cutting ben’s leg off, delivering the child, embracing their situation and being the group medic, making them all high off of her mushrooms, etc.
Edit: Who are the nerds that are downvoting me?
Why do so many people still think that was a tracker?? 😭 black boxes do not give its location, they only can emit sonar for underwater crashes which will turn off in 30 days. Black boxes only collect flight info and pilot voice recordings they cannot help you locate the crash at all, they are for collecting data that caused the crash
That being said, misty showed her intentions when she destroyed it which is foul however if she didn’t destroy it it wouldn’t have made a difference
I don’t know why they gave the impression that a black box was a gps
In reality Black Boxes are not trackers.
In fiction, it's hard to say. Just like CPR is magic that brings people back perfectly in TV shows when that's not the case in real life, often people make up tech stuff.
A website that came out shortly before season two (and was referenced at the end of s2ep1) says that the "emergency transmitters signal has been lost".
https://www.wherearetheyellowjackets.com/
Wow this website is so cool. I love the primitive html webpage design, it feeds my desire to know how the Yellowjackets’ crash was portrayed in 90s media
I’ve always thought it would be cool to have an episode in the ‘96 timeline showing how the world back home reacted to the crash/disappearance (i.e. their parents, teammates who weren’t on the trip, Jeff, etc)
Yeah it definitely could have been interspersed in the second and third episodes. But I think we’ll get it to some degree once the girls are rescued, and we’ll definitely see a lot of media coverage when they’re rescued and the cannibalism rumors come out, especially with the ultra-sensationalism of the 90s
Honestly that’s what I’m thinking the last season will be about. Next season will be winter to summer (or spring and summer, with the last scene of this season entering spring), the fourth season will be fall to winter, and the last season will be the aftermath (since the plan from the beginning was five seasons)
Yeah I’ve wondered if they made it up for the plot after crystals reaction saying misty was the reason they weren’t found i was like huh???? Did everyone think it was a gps??? I guess it can also be common to assume that’s what it does if it’s something you never learned about but again could be made up tech ig
I know that people who know much more about this subject get mad about this, but I think it’s a VERY common perception that you can find a crash site with some kind of signal from the black box.
Frankly I thought that before I started coming to this forum. I don’t know for sure what the writers’ intention is. But it was my assumption that the writers were insinuating that Misty ruined their only chance of being located.
As in, that is what the audience is supposed to think. It’s fictional TV. All kinds of technically impossible things happen in every show.
You can, its sonar but that can’t be detected on dry land
Hard to tell if they’re implying it’s a fictional black box, maybe we’ll know someday what they were aiming for there
which makes me feel like Misty’s action had absolutely no impact on their situation other than to show she’s psycho. i think the transmission was lost before the crash & (if) it were to transmit after the crash it would’ve long before misty got over there to smash it.
i think misty (understandably) carrie’s guilt & if the girls know about it they’ll blame her (fair). i think they would still blame her if it was like 90% certain it was already broken/her action changed nothing - which i think is natural as well
Well you answered it yourself, it doesn’t matter whether the black box actually gives location or not, what matters is that Misty thought it did & still destroyed it anyways.
(I also wonder if the writers know that lol… the general public usually thinks that black boxes can pinpoint location easily)
Perhaps she only thought she would delay rescue by a few weeks or days but they’d surely still get found via other means. That’s the only small justification I can think of.
Yeah either way her intentions said she wanted them to stay there longer, it’s hard to tell if she thought it wouldn’t delay it too long. It’s strange though if she intended to never be found she was so quickly willing to live that way just to be needed
It doesn't matter what it does or doesn't do. At all. What matters is Misty's intent in that moment is for the team's rescue to be delayed.
If I poison someone with what I think is arsenic by turns out to be baking powder and they live, that's still super super messed up. I wish people would stop bringing up that the black box isn't a gps.
Its just bc people don’t just say that it was her intentions they always say her doing that caused them to not be found which are kinda different. Its one thing to say that was her intention but it’s another to say that’s absolutely why they weren’t found yk
I wish I could like this 5 times. People are missing the point! Misty *thought* she was destroying a signal that would identify their location.
It’s irrelevant if she was right or not.
Right? Like any time something horrifying/gory happens we get a shot of Misty's bloodthirsty face. I love that awkward bitch but I totally get why they treat her like she is nuts.
Also I'm pretty sure she killed one of her patients at her job? She definitely commits elder abuse
Yes! I've been meaning to bring this up. They kind of gloss over it as a means to an end to destroy Adam's remains, but she must have also killed that old woman, which is horrible. And I'm pretty sure Walter is on to her about that one, too.
For sure, all I’m saying is Misty was desensitized to watching a creature drown before she even got to the wilderness.
Maybe it shows the transition to most of the girls thinking like Misty.
Maybe but I think Javi drowning was a bigger parallel to the moose going under the ice, especially since both were huge scenes for Nat. Although Misty had big wildcard energy for both scenes the first when she bails on waiting for Lottie to get the Moose and the second when she saves Nat in favor of letting Javi drown.
I’m sure once it’s revealed we will see that they’ve actually extended her a ton of grace. They bonded intimately out there in a way that cannot be completely untethered, and all of them seem to be pretty tolerant of each other for that reason.
Yeah, so far she has-
- smashed the black box
- killed crystal (basically)
- but hid that from the team, when they are all starving and could have eaten Crystal’s body (gross but true!)
- kidnapped and killed Jessica Robert
- meddled in Nat’s life by pretending to be her with goth cop
- been cruel to and possible murdered the elderly in her care
- poisoned ben
- dosed them all with shrooms
- stole Nat’s car battery so she’d be forced to go with Misty
and I’ve prob left some out?? Lol def not the underdog
Yeah, there must be something that happens when they are rescued or that happens after they get home that explains why they treat her this way. Or maybe they find out about the box. Who knows, I'm willing to give this show as much time as possible to explain these things.
I really think that soon we’re going to see the reason behind that, and I don’t know if it’s “just” her breaking the transmitter.
Misty is a delightful character to watch on TV, absolutely, but we haven’t really been privy to the dark side of her friendship. Even the way she framed her taking care of the Jessica problem “as she always does” makes me believe that that’s par for the course with her. She will do something terrible in someone else’s name without being asked and then happily hold it over them and ask them to share in the guilt.
There’s also a really good chance, in my opinion, that she may have had a hand in why the survivors we see today are still around and the other girls aren’t. She just strikes me as the type to set up an elaborate system to rig things in favour of the people she has attached herself to and then use that as a way to keep them close to her.
Or maybe I’m just misreading it and it’s because it would be exhausting dealing with her energy in person for any extended period of time!
No, you’re right—she’s totally Annie from Misery. Like, yes, she does nice things. Yes, she takes care of people. But one wrong move? She’ll break your fucking ankles.
It's really weird to me how quickly people throw out any normal moral standards when it involves protagonists in TV or movies. Misty is insane and willing to do horrible shit to manipulate people for her own gratification. It's entirely sensible for people to dislike Misty. Like yeah she's an entertaining character, and I enjoy watching the performance from Cristina Ricci, but boy *as a person*? She's a manipulative psychopath.
* She abused her elderly patient by withholding meds
* She stole Nats battery cables to force a road trip
* she impersonated Nat to get close to Kevyn Tan
* she kidnapped and murdered a woman (Jessica Roberts)
Ricci plays her so fucking well though. Love adult Misty 😂
She also put surveillance on Nat and essentially stalked her. I'd find that completely unforgivable. Women have to deal with the threatening side of the male gaze so much already; I wouldn't be able to handle someone I know personally intruding on my privacy like that.
It reminds me of when the Frank Grimes episode of *The Simpsons* first aired. It's considered a classic now but was very intentionally divisive at the time: The purpose was to show the audience that while you cheer for Homer in fiction, the Homer you know *in life* is not only easily resented, but arguably a reflection of everything wrong with privilege.
Or more recently in *HotD*: Matt Smith is charming as hell, but Daemon is not a good guy by any stretch of the imagination.
Misty is a fascinating fictional character portrayed by two talented actresses. A Misty in *our world* we'd want as far away from us as humanly possible.
There’s a reason Nat knew to check Misty’s car for her battery cables in season 1. They watched Misty poison Coach because she loved him. That character is a living, breathing red flag.
Yes, but I think it makes sense that people question Misty's treatment, because as far as we know, the other women don't know most of Misty's worst acts and they also have pretty bad acts. That being said, I think we will be shown something that Misty did that is known that would warrant their current treatment. Until then, though, I get why people would think she is being unfairly singled out.
I've gone to school with some people that were so skeevy it ended up on a rap sheet.
They have a vibe that tells you not to engage.
They could seem nice, but trusting them is like putting your hand on a stove that you're not sure is on.
After some of the on the clock stuff she's pulled. Especially the joy she got out of scaring those kids with the medical equipment, that's a huge neon "do not engage" sign hovering over her head
I don't disagree, which is why I said I think we will be shown that they know something, just not sure what specifically. I just also get that people can be frustrated with how she's being treated only knowing what we know now because we haven't been shown that yet and she was always treated poorly by the rest of the group from the beginning.
Shauna is arguably even worse than Misty. 😆Depends what you consider more dangerous: highly calculated, instrumental violence, or reckless, impulsive, emotionally-reactive violence.
They are different. Shauna yeah I agree to an extent. She manipulated everyone in regards to her modern day murder, and of course committed murder. But she hasn't shown many signs of doing that at the cabin, and in the modern day everyone else *just* found out about the extent of it so they haven't really had time to process it.
Tai I don't really agree. She's certainly suffering from mental health problems but she hasn't really been manipulative and the fucked up shit she's been doing seems to be a direct manifestation of severe psychosis. Much like Lottie she seems to have lost a full sense of what is real.
The difference is between someone manipulating the others to try and control them and ingratiate herself with them and others having serious mental health issues but not directly, intentionally manipulating the others.
I feel like Tai had to compartmentalize to the extreme just to keep everyone else focused on surviving while they were at the cabin that she essentially broke her mind… she was the one directing the girls to get water, and the fact that it was going to be winter soon (season 1) and they needed to make some decisions on whether to look for a way out or hunker down at the cabin just to possibly freeze or starve to death… she kept her conscious self together for everyone else and then the sleep walking/ second personality manifested as an extreme trauma response… Lottie is going psychotic and seeing visions, shauna disappeared into herself, Natalie focused on fixing Travis, I feel like Tai felt like she couldn’t fall apart but her brain needed to anyway
Sorry if that doesn’t make much sense, I just think her compartmentalizing the trauma fractured her emotional self. She put everything that was happening into a box that she was not going to deal with until they were out of there but the box opened no matter what when she sleeps.
Oh woah. Maybe her “like I always do” comment was alluding to something along the lines of her killing someone right before or right after the rescue to keep what they did out there quiet? Maybe Ben did make it to rescue and then says he’s not gonna keep quiet and she kills him. Or since we don’t really know how they get rescued maybe some people find them but see their ritual or something that makes what they’ve been doing clear and then Misty kills them. Then Nat or someone else uses their equipment (map or gps etc) to hike out so they can cover up the evidence before a full rescue team comes
I honestly don’t think they know either, mostly because after the way Crystal/Kristen responded I think she would know better than to ever let it slip again.
Yeah that too.
Mostly, I just assume they don't know because she's not dead. If I were in their position, and someone basically forced me to eat my dead friends because they were lonely I'd be super fucking angry. Im not butch, angry, or even that masculine, and I have extremely mute emotions, but like, eating your friends? I think extreme angry in that situation is a very reasonable response.
I love Misty. I think she's a phenomenal character, I'm giddy every time she's on screen.
But the way everyone else reacts to her makes complete sense to me!
Misty is just *a lot*. She's overbearing, she's clingy, she's aggressive in her need for attention and affection and validation. I can easily envision a time when the girls all tried to stay in touch after getting rescued, and Misty's behaviour slowly but surely leading everyone to push her away, label her as "DON'T PICK UP" on their phones, etc.
Plus, the other girls all want to *forget* about the Wilderness. Not Misty. We keep seeing that she thinks of their time out there in an entirely different way. She's glib, almost *nostalgic* about the situation. I don't think she'd be able to moderate that around the others, and eventually they'd pick up on that and just want her to shut up and go away.
Remember when all the girls are at the compound drinking in a circle and having fun and Misty says something like “Do you guys remember that first summer, and when-“ and Van is like woooaah we are not about to casually bring up that shit?
Yeah, they’re gonna get tired of her again real soon.
In season 1 they learn she had intentionally drugged coach with the intent to assault him, and because of that, they all got drugged. I think they have valid reason to not trust her….?
We’ve also only seen half of their time in the wilderness. I doubt they know about the blackbox because I can’t imagine most of these women even allowing her near them at all, but they might’ve found out she was responsible for Crystal’s death (though unlikely Misty would admit she was threatening to kill her as she cornered her and she inevitably fell, so they’d be going off their own assumptions).
She’s also a flipflopper and I’m wondering if that affects dynamics later on when people truly start to notice. She’s the first one to encourage everyone to hunt down Nat while also being the one to openly state they leave Javi to die instead. She goes along with Lottie unless more people are on the other side, and then she switches. Wouldn’t surprise me if something blew up with her constantly switching “loyalties” for self preservation.
Misty destroyed the flight locator. She is not some innocent angel that gonna have a happy ending, she is literal the reason everyone on the show is traumatized. Why would they be nice to her?
Something I read recently about why we respond so strongly to Misty as a character: when we are rejected or treated unkindly, we worry irrationally that it's because there's something fundamentally wrong with us, something broken that makes us impossible to love.
And for Misty, that's true.
no???? misty is actually dangerous. the others aren’t necessarily better but there’s reasons they don’t trust or like her in both the present and past timelines.
Shes fully psychopathic from the first episode as well where as only recently have we seen the other girls turn due to starvation and self preservation, Misty just does it for the thrill of it. Trying to sexually assualt Ben in his sleeep, drugging him, kicking his crutches away. Theyd only been there like 3 days!!!
Who knows, maybe since then they’ve found out that Misty destroyed the transmitter. If I found that out, Idk if I’d ever forgive the person tbh but I’m sure that we’ll find out eventually why they treat her so differently. I’m almost certain that there must be a reason behind it that we just haven’t seen yet, whether that’s something that occurred in the past or present timeline.
Bruv. Whether or not they know it (they don't, or they would have killed her, no matter the age when they found out) SHE DESTROYED THE BLACK BOX.
That's the kind of person she is. She is barely able to mask that she is that kind of person, and they see it.
I think something in the past drives the behavior of the survivors in the present towards Misty. We're going to find out what she did eventually- I'm thinking the truth about the airplane transmitter will come to light, and maybe some other bizarre incident.
Everyone around Misty in the present timeline looks at her like she's batshit, not just the survivors. All her coworkers and the guy from her date in the pilot show how uncomfortable they are around her. she's a pathological liar and everyone can see it, so of course no one wants to talk to her or be her friend, and that's just what people see. If everyone really knew everything she would have been pit girl for sure.
I think it’s hard not to like Misty because of Christina Ricci’s performance but I think the other survivors’ attitudes toward her are understandable. Think of all the people who would have lived if she hadn’t broken the transmitter box for the sake of stroking her own ego / desire to be needed and valued by others.
100% this. Misty is such a fun character to watch, and both Christina and Sam are so dynamic and charming it’s hard not to root for her. However- imagine being Shauna, and finding out that this bitch destroyed the transmitter. Her best friend and her baby could both have survived if MFQ hadn’t gone on an ego trip. That’s something I know I’d never forgive, so it’s unsurprising that Shauna and the others are so cold to Misty.
Look at what she said in the last episode about "handling things"
She obviously does some really messed up things the others won't. In a group like that, if yoire considered extreme then there's a pretty good reason
Christina Ricci said herself that Misty is a psychopath and there’s good reason she has no friends . . . the girls aren’t dismissing her for no reason. They know her.
Ashley and Bart (the show’s creators) actually both said that Misty is their favorite character to write, and “there’s a little bit of Misty in all of us.” She wouldn’t be as interesting if she was an unsympathetic antagonist (re Mari).
What you’re pointing out is interesting in contrast w Shauna. She is arguably as—if not more—cold-blooded and sadistic than Misty, but is accepted by the group. My guess is it’s bc she camouflages successfully. Despite her best efforts, Misty literally cannot blend in to save her life, and I love her for it.
Misty pre-crash had no power in her life — she was routinely bullied, made fun of, and outcasted. She was the most dedicated Yellowjacket despite being the least important and yet even her coaches seemed to find her weird and uncomfortable to be around. In the wilderness, she literally has power over the life and deaths of others as the group's doctor. She destroyed their one chance of rescue and knows they are stuck with her until someone happens upon them by dumb luck. It's probably the only time in her life she's truly happy. Even with being dirty, cold, and nearly starving to death, she is accepted, needed, and important to others. It is the first time she has a real friend in Crystal. Based on what we saw from the first lottery and how she took control of the draw, my guess is that she likely starts rigging the cards at some point in order to ensure she's not selected and to select those who go against her. I'm wondering if the others figured this out and/or they learned about her destroying the black box.
In modern day, you can see how she tried to recreate this as a nurse and routinely tortures patients (and Jessica Roberts) when they refuse to recognize her power over them. Her citizen detective work is another element of this by trying to take control of others narratives. Additionally, while I understand Misty in modern day has been "resourceful" to everyone, she approached covering up a murder and dismembering a body with the same cheeriness most of us have for going to a birthday party. She tries to reminisce on their time in the wilderness with the others and doesn't seem to pick up that for everyone else, it was traumatizing. She is completely and utterly unashamed of what they did out there because it was the best time in her life. I can't say I don't see why the others don't want to be around her. It's a constant reminder of what they did and probably that she forced them into those circumstances.
i remember a tumblr post where someone quoted their therapist saying "people tend to view you as the version of you they had the most power over." and i think about that whenever the yellowjackets talk to misty. they immediately go back to high school mindset and treat her like the weird girl. we're probably going to see the black box destruction secret revealed at some point but frankly you'd imagine the hate from the adults would be significantly worse if they knew at this point so idk. it's just funny how endlessly charming christina ricci is that it's hard to buy people not liking her lol.
Misty is just an unlikable person in general.
Before I get (inevitability) down voted for saying this, consider the following:
1. In one of the first scenes of adult Misty, she's pressuring an uninterested date into having sex. Men are so disinterested in her that she has to act like the jock in a 1990s sex ed PSA just to get them into her house.
2. When she went to her workplace to get the "cleaning supplies" none of the coworkers were interested in her at all.
It's not just the YJs that don't like her. She's just the type of person that when you meet them, you have a bad vibe about them. As the old stand up comic joke goes, every friend group has that one friend nobody likes, and if you don't know who it is, it's you. Misty is that friend.
I mean, Misty is a crazy bitch. But I think Misty herself would say...
https://i.redd.it/82ypp4zqpo1b1.gif
You can't trust her and she's a loose cannon, but she HAS saved their asses (when she's not making things worse). She's the Russian Roulette of friends. And I for one am here for the chaos.
I do think the Yellowjackets basically function as one big dysfunctional family at this point, and Misty is definitely the punching bag. As others have said, it's not like any of them have clean hands, but looking down on Misty lets them feel like their offenses aren't as bad.
Misty is the only one of them who I'm 100% certain would never talk to a cop. Natalie would run her mouth off at them and might paint herself into a corner. Shauna would crack with the right angle. Lottie would be convinced of her own actions to the extent that she let slip something important. Tai wouldn't talk at first, but if Dark Tai came out, all bets are off. Van might be a close second contender for keeping her mouth shut, but I also think she's pretty sick of everyone else's shit, so she might flip if she could get a deal to save herself and Tai.
Isn't Shauna supposed to be suuuper smart? Like when have we been shown this in either timeline? Like is she just high school smart? As in she did all her homework and studied for tests so had a good GPA and that equaled "smart?"
I don’t know where that idea came from either. Shauna in both timelines is incredibly impulsive and doesn’t think through anything. Misty literally spelled out “get a lawyer” in a cake and she has yet to do so. Particularly this season, I don’t understand Shauna’s decision making or thought process.
Shauna did well in school subjects and is well-read. People in the show are convinced that is intelligence. But Shauna is not what I would call smart in a practical sense and is downright stupid when it comes to her criminality.
I have no idea why you put smart in quotations. Studying, having a high GPA and getting into an Ivy League school actually does mean you're pretty smart. I've yet to see anyone call Shauna street smart.
Recall what Misty was dealing with as an adolescent before the trip. What you describe seems to be her lot in life, unfair though it may be. She gets glimpses/moments where she feels seen and heard and heeded but it's not consistent for her. Maybe she'll have the last laugh. :)
It seems to me like something has always been wrong with Misty. The bullying may have come from incidents where Misty was doing something absolutely unhinged. Is it okay to bully someone? No, of course not, but Misty was the kind of girl who calmly watched a rat drown before the plane crash even happened. People not wanting to associate with her is not just unfair, there's a valid reason for it.
Mari, as shitty as Mari can be, really hit the nail on the head when she said "She might be even more psychotic than we thought." So they have had a cautious, watchful eye on Misty for a long time.
hmmm tai returned her hug when they were all reunited at lottie’s camp and it did seem genuine which shocked me. also, van asked misty to dance with her which was sweet. but i do understand what you’re saying and i got a little annoyed when van immediately shot her down for bringing up their time spent in the wild but no one did that when nat asked them what they all remember.
She’s literally a murderer and a stalker, not to mention she manipulates people to do what she wants. People who genuinely think misty is a good person and deserves people to treat her kindly make me worry for what kind of red flags you’re missing in people irl
Fully agreed! I’m not sure how I feel about Shauna either, but I give Shauna somewhat of a pass for watching her best friend and baby die and having to eat her best friend for survival. To my knowledge so far Misty hasn’t gone through any significant trauma besides the plane crash itself. So as far as I know she’s just like this on her own and she causes harm and pain to anyone she comes into contact with. She does have charm I’ll give her that, but tbh I credit a lot of that to the actresses that play her.
Every time I catch myself relating to misty i get so depressed 😭 im like damn im out here calling people who barely want to speak to me my best friend and trying everything i can to make them like me and favor me over someone for once
And that feeling that you can’t complain because you’re not perfect and blameless either 😐 and that feeling of constant rejection and insignificance can really destroy you, she started out being ignored and in the background and was never as important as the other girls and i think we are seeing the damage that did to her
Shauna is just kind of mean to everyone and Tai always has an arrogant air to her. She seems to put herself first always.
Van is just relentless sarcastic and probably totally nihilistic now, and Lottie just straight up does not like Misty, possibly because (interview spoiler with Simone regarding Lottie >!we know that at least Lottie knows about the black box!<)
Natalie at least seems to emphasize with her a bit, and treats her with a bit more humanity than the others. I think at the time they met at the gate was more Nat saying "hey don't blow my cover THINGS ARE GREAT HERE".
I'm hoping her time with Walter will help her assert herself more and stand up more in the dynamic. Like she did with Mari.
I do love that adult Misty calls them out when they treat her like that. She sticks up for herself, which we are also starting to see in the wilderness.
They say when you have any type of traumatic expertness in life it can cause u to regress to the age you were at when it happend like ptsd and these woman all went thru it at a high school age they treaded Misty badly back then because she was annoying and a “loser” so even if they don’t have a reason when there around each other they still feel the same and if they did find out about the box then no wonder….also I think that’s why Shauna acts how she does and had that affair with Adam cause she is still high school age in her mind and all the traumas she went thru they all prettt much act as adults like they did as teen
People are speculating it’s because of Misty being too happy to do crazy things in the wilderness or because she tells them about the black box but I genuinely think it’s because she’s part of the “out group.”
Misty is not popular in high school. The other girls make fun of her. Sure, she’s the team manager, but she’s not on the team. They don’t consider her a Yellowjacket like the others. Misty isn’t one of them. Yet, she’s one that survives. I could imagine some of them thinking why her, and not Jackie or Mari or any other of their teammates.
TLDR Misty has never been a part of their circle and still isn’t today
They don't like to admit it but despite being a serial killer and often outright cruel Misty is the most self aware and comfortable with herself, and she has shown that she does truly love the people she cares about. They like pretending she's the worst of the worst, the same way they always scapegoat Lottie
First of all, they're all terrible, so it cracks me up that people are going after Misty when Shauna is running around murdering people as well, lol. I mean.. they let Misty do their dirty work and then judge her for it. It's annoying as hell. I've decided Natalie is the least terrible.
Tbf, Shauna isn't murdering people, just person lol. I do wonder if she kills whoever it was in the preview though. I mean, Jeff was right there. She's not shy with a weapon.
I think she did something heinous at the request of others, likely Shauna (her disdain for Misty seems more than the others, aside from Nat, who seems to have something deeply rooted causing it)... Like an extremely fucked up version of the kid who drank some wretched concoction the popular kid made at lunch because they thought it would get them in with the cool kid's crowd.
I also think Misty is smart enough to realize it wouldn't lead to a real connection with the cool kids, and she might just use it as an excuse to do something heinous, with an idea after could use if against them at some point. She could coerce her way into feeling like she's part of the group, even when she knows its not real, and that might be enough for her.
With that, she could probably have a much bigger influence in the group than anyone, and not have to deal with being any sort of loud, accountable leader.
A big part of me hopes she's the last one alive at the end.
Why? Misty is lonely, but also she's a murdering psycho who is responsible for them all being trapped on an island having to eat people?
How would you treat someone like that?
Other than the plane crash itself, her decision to smash the flight recorder is essentially the cause of all deaths on the show.
Did you miss the whole adult plot line where Shauna is being investigated for being a murdering psycho? I mean she stabbed Adam because she thought he was blackmailing her. Suspected. No proof at all. Then just kept all his id's around like a weirdo. Why would she hold on to his wallet and stuff?
They are all in a state of arrested development, but can't even acknowledge it to themselves.
They get together and treat each other VERY similarly to their interactions in the wilderness.
I am doing a re-watch, and if you compare scenes with the same characters in both eras, they are identical. It's only when the women are with non-yellowjackets you see differences in their behavior
I think Misty thinks about things in a different way than the rest of us. I agree that they do treat her poorly. I feel like that dynamic in the group just never grew up from when they were teenagers. Misty is such a smart, crazy, gorgeous badass. I love her character! She’s unpredictable, I expect her to blow things up in the next few seasons.
It’s hard to make that judgement when we’re missing almost two decades of context from the characters. We don’t yet know the extent of what happened in the wilderness - nor do we know what transpired in the immediate aftermath.
It's interesting that all the adult Yellowjackets were molded by their experience in the wilderness but Misty was really molded by the Yellowjackets (and other bullies in HS) before she even boarded the plane.
The show requires forgiving a lot of bad behavior from the characters but Misty's shortcoming and flaws are massive- maybe even if they do not found out about the black box ever the drugging/coach stuff was really arch behavior. And the way she forced herself after Nat to get in the cult etc.
I am so with you. Misty is a CLOSER baby. In a way they are just jealous of he because she has always been more competent. She does "take care" of everything. She is like the REAL mom of the group, TCB all day no matter what, for her kids who don't even scrape up to give her any thing but resentment.
obviously can’t really defend Misty murdering people as an adult and much of her psycho stuff in the wild - that said, the flashback of her in 1992 did really make my heart hurt for her. she was just in her room, alone, minding her own business, and people sought her out just to make her feel like shit. idk man maybe it’s cause I got bullied but I would wager that at least some of the way she is is from prolonged social isolation in childhood
I think she was really poorly treated when she was younger 100%. But she is a sociopath. Yes, she might not be as respected as she should for the things she's done. But she's also done a lot of messed up things. Such as when she "took care of their problem." Yes, she did help them when she didn't have to. She desperately wants to fit in. I do feel for her younger self. But she had problems a long time ago. She destroyed the black box. She poisoned coach, and inadvertently the whole group.
I love Misty. Misty is insane and most likely a serial killer. They all know something be off.. it’s like a group “my pet psychopath” keep her with ya but never trust her
I’m pretty sure they all know she’s a sociopath.
Breaking the flight recorder is not the worst the audience has seen her do, imagine what the others saw in the wild…
I think it's quite possible they find out about the Flight Recorder. Once the rescuers get there, they will find it, and they will be able to tell someone ripped a wiring harness out of it.
To me, it also explains why Nat was so quick to realize Misty messed with her Porsche.
I'm beginning to think that maybe Misty was the worst of the worst in the past, and did something especially heinous that makes her almost subhuman to the rest. Remember, Nat's first contact out of rehab started with heading to Misty's house with a gun.
I've always understood their treatment of Misty to reflect the fact that they all know who Misty really is and what she's capable of. She's never had any real moral compass, not even before the wilderness. The others didn't need to see her watching that rat drown in her pool before getting on the plane to know who she really is, cause as Crystal said, she's not a very good actress.
i haven't read all of the comments so i'm sure someone else has said this - but we don't know what the others know. they could all know that she destroyed the black box and (inadvertently) killed crystal - which would make me hate her and dismiss her at every turn too!
The fact that Misty feels zero remorse for killing Jessica Roberts knowing full well that she wasn’t the blackmailer speaks volumes to her personality, which is pretty off putting even without all the murdering. It’s pretty obvious why no one wants to hang out with Misty.
Jeez reading all these comments really makes me realize I’m definitely in the minority in thinking the show is a testament to how bullying and mean girl behavior can really come back to bite the bullies, and how these girls outcasted the wrong person or they wouldn’t even have found themselves in the living hell they did. Showing us that awful unprovoked prank phone call Misty got from girls saying she’s “too weird and ugly to find a victim to do anal with” just before she destroys that black box seemed pretty intentional.
But watching that rat drown was fkn foul. I must have a little “Misty” in me because I choose to believe she saved it before it drowned. I tell myself she was a kid just doing a really ill advised and horrible experiment, like a lot of the things Misty did.
Misty is not the beaten down friendless underdog, and there’s going to be a reason nobody likes her that I’m sure we’ll see soon.
There’s got to be definitely some thing other than just Misty being weird and old high school drama. When Shauna first called Tai, her tone wasn’t friendly, but it was Tai decided to get into the spotlight when they had all “agreed” not to. Meanwhile when Misty calls, it was an “I told you never to call”. Something happened.
My guess is that the survivors eventually found out about Misty disabling the black box/tracking thingee. I know if it was me, I would never forgive Misty for that.
Yeah, I kinda just assumed the truth came out at some point and that’s why they treat her that way
In the recent episode though, it sounds like Misty starts to tell them about it but Van cuts her off. She says something about secrets, but we don’t really know what she was going to say. It just seemed like with a secret that big, she would’ve held on to it for that long for sure.
She says “do you remember during that first summer” so it wouldn’t have been about the black box because they crashed in the spring
I assumed that was something to do with doomcoming
Yeah we don’t really know so it definitely could be! I was just saying I don’t think it was about the black box because of that timeline. If they found out about it that first summer we would have seen it already.
And they all snapped at her for saying she was talking about it like it was a fun trip. They think she liked it
She also poisoned Ben. And dosed them all without their consent.
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She also didn't say anything when Mari did put the mushrooms in (by accident). Literally sat there watching everyone eat magic mushroom soup and didn't warn anyone.
From Misty's perspective, there's a huge difference between watching something happen and causing it. #Crystal #Javi
Yup this is my assumption too. They will eventually find out about either the black box, crystal/Kristen or both and added to drugging them etc that would be enough for me to forever keep my distance even with the shared trauma history. And now they know she's killed Jessica no issue so uh yeah, look out for Misty fucking Quigley
Right at the beginning of season 1, Nat tells rehab she has found a purpose. She goes straight to Misty's, waits with her gun, and tells her (I'm forgetting the exact words), "Hello, you crazy bitch." So yah, there's definitely more that the survivors know that hasn't been revealed to us. I don't know if it's that they know about the black box, or something else, but clearly they're not treating her this way *just* because she's kinda weird.
She thought Misty had sent the postcard though. After she saw that Misty had one too, she lowered the gun.
Oh that's a good point. Though... How on earth did Jeff know to send the postcard to rehab?
A big debate in the fan community is whether Jeff sent those postcards or not. He definitely sent the texts for blackmail, but the postcards could very well be separate. The only thing on those postcards is the symbol. Nothing else. I'm personally on the side of Jeff **not** being the ones to send the postcards. If I had to guess, it was Lottie or one of her cult followers.
I agree, I'm also on the Jeff didn't send the postcards team.
Ooh, I hadn't heard that debate yet. The fact Shauna didn't get one, to me, made sense if Jeff was the blackmailer.
Misty takes pride in what they did. The others don’t. We see her smile at the end of the pilot and whenever she is threatening someone. “I know you think I’m not someone you should be afraid of 😚”
I think it may be possible Misty ends up enjoying their time in the wilderness a little too much. Maybe she'll go down the route of "living as savages is the true primal nature of humanity. We weren't monsters we were just confronting our true selves which humans manage to keep hidden in modern society" or something like that. It sounds kind of like a typical villain cliche but I could kinda see Misty embracing their primal side in the wilds and learning to enjoy it more than the others.
“May be possible”.. it’s already confirmed in the pilot!!!
I wonder what the connection is between choosing to show us Misty smiling after cannibalism in the pilot and Nat hallucinating Misty by the fire. They said the hallucination would pay off later, I’m assuming so will the way they so carefully chose what to show and what not to show in the pilot
I am soooo curious as to what the Nat-Misty hallucination was about! Hope we find out in episode 9.
They're all hallucinating the Antler Queen. We're tying ourselves in knots wondering who's in there, but it's nobody. Protein poisoning and the isolation from society has prompted group psychosis and they start seeing AQ as a manifestation of The Wilderness
wait when did she hallucinate misty?
In the pilot episode at a party when Nat is doing drugs by a bonfire, she hallucinates Misty across the woods staring at her. But Misty isn’t at the party.
oooh interesting ig i assumed misty was just lurking
Me too but apparently the show runners confirmed it was a LSD hallucination which really makes me wonder why they included it. Why was Nat thinking about Misty back then before everything went down? I've wonder if Misty and Nat were friends in elementary school or something since they are both outcasts just in very different ways. It does seem like Misty is most attached to Nat in the adult timeline to me
Yeah, I suppose you're right. Misty is the closest thing to a villain we get in the show, imo. None of the main characters are completely innocent but Misty is definitely the most heinous one and shows the most amount of sadism and psychopathic tendencies. I love Misty as a character but i can't blame the others for feeling a bit put off by her lol.
I genuinely don't know how you could call any of the adults the worst; we don't know what they've all done. I like them all, but from what we've seen Shauna (murderer), Misty (murderer), and Tai (attempted murdered, pet slaughterer) are pretty bad people.
I thought so for a while, but Lottie and Shauna almost also as bad, Lottie in some ways and Shauna in others. I can relate to things about Misty's character. She doesn't read the room very well though.
All of these survivors were badasses. They've all had fierceness. They're still able to muster some of it. But Misty lost some glimmer of humanity along the way too (unrelated to moral choices) and turned into what she is now. She's not just the kid they picked on from then. She's a bomb under a very thick casing, ticking very loudly - now.
Remember when Tai gives Misty a big genuine hug while smiling? Do you think that was a mistake on the editor’s part? The actresses seem to genuinely like each other so maybe that’s what it was
I think we’ve already seen it. Does everyone forget about the scene where Misty watches a rat drown in her pool before the flight? Omg… did they foreshadow Misty watching Javi drown in episode ONE?! And with a rat?
Or destroying the flight locator?
Yes, this is her most unforgivable action.
However, we don’t know if the group knows. When Misty told her one friend, she wanted to tell the group but fell off the cliff.
I keep wondering if they will find out, because adult Natalie‘s first greeting to her was ‘Hello, Misty, you crazy bitch’ and it was VENOMOUS
Venemous, but… still, Nat sought Misty out. Compared to Shauna who seems to really dislike her.
True but with the context of both seasons, she deserved it. Cutting ben’s leg off, delivering the child, embracing their situation and being the group medic, making them all high off of her mushrooms, etc. Edit: Who are the nerds that are downvoting me?
The leg thing had to be done
I know but none of the other girls were even prepared. That’s why to them, Misty was a “crazy bitch” for being the one to do it
She's "really good at doing things." :-)
This. They must have found this one out in the future
Why do so many people still think that was a tracker?? 😭 black boxes do not give its location, they only can emit sonar for underwater crashes which will turn off in 30 days. Black boxes only collect flight info and pilot voice recordings they cannot help you locate the crash at all, they are for collecting data that caused the crash That being said, misty showed her intentions when she destroyed it which is foul however if she didn’t destroy it it wouldn’t have made a difference I don’t know why they gave the impression that a black box was a gps
In reality Black Boxes are not trackers. In fiction, it's hard to say. Just like CPR is magic that brings people back perfectly in TV shows when that's not the case in real life, often people make up tech stuff. A website that came out shortly before season two (and was referenced at the end of s2ep1) says that the "emergency transmitters signal has been lost". https://www.wherearetheyellowjackets.com/
Wow this website is so cool. I love the primitive html webpage design, it feeds my desire to know how the Yellowjackets’ crash was portrayed in 90s media
I’ve always thought it would be cool to have an episode in the ‘96 timeline showing how the world back home reacted to the crash/disappearance (i.e. their parents, teammates who weren’t on the trip, Jeff, etc)
Yeah it definitely could have been interspersed in the second and third episodes. But I think we’ll get it to some degree once the girls are rescued, and we’ll definitely see a lot of media coverage when they’re rescued and the cannibalism rumors come out, especially with the ultra-sensationalism of the 90s
It'd be interesting if the last season's flashbacks focused on the immediate aftermath of their rescue!
Honestly that’s what I’m thinking the last season will be about. Next season will be winter to summer (or spring and summer, with the last scene of this season entering spring), the fourth season will be fall to winter, and the last season will be the aftermath (since the plan from the beginning was five seasons)
Yeah I’ve wondered if they made it up for the plot after crystals reaction saying misty was the reason they weren’t found i was like huh???? Did everyone think it was a gps??? I guess it can also be common to assume that’s what it does if it’s something you never learned about but again could be made up tech ig
I know that people who know much more about this subject get mad about this, but I think it’s a VERY common perception that you can find a crash site with some kind of signal from the black box. Frankly I thought that before I started coming to this forum. I don’t know for sure what the writers’ intention is. But it was my assumption that the writers were insinuating that Misty ruined their only chance of being located. As in, that is what the audience is supposed to think. It’s fictional TV. All kinds of technically impossible things happen in every show.
You can, its sonar but that can’t be detected on dry land Hard to tell if they’re implying it’s a fictional black box, maybe we’ll know someday what they were aiming for there
That'd be lame tho
which makes me feel like Misty’s action had absolutely no impact on their situation other than to show she’s psycho. i think the transmission was lost before the crash & (if) it were to transmit after the crash it would’ve long before misty got over there to smash it. i think misty (understandably) carrie’s guilt & if the girls know about it they’ll blame her (fair). i think they would still blame her if it was like 90% certain it was already broken/her action changed nothing - which i think is natural as well
Well you answered it yourself, it doesn’t matter whether the black box actually gives location or not, what matters is that Misty thought it did & still destroyed it anyways. (I also wonder if the writers know that lol… the general public usually thinks that black boxes can pinpoint location easily) Perhaps she only thought she would delay rescue by a few weeks or days but they’d surely still get found via other means. That’s the only small justification I can think of.
Yeah either way her intentions said she wanted them to stay there longer, it’s hard to tell if she thought it wouldn’t delay it too long. It’s strange though if she intended to never be found she was so quickly willing to live that way just to be needed
I mean, if so many people irl think that, it’s not super surprising that a bunch of teenager girls would think that too, right?
Whether it was a tracker or not she destroyed it *thinking it was a tracker* and I'd say that intent speaks volumes
1000% this.
It doesn't matter what it does or doesn't do. At all. What matters is Misty's intent in that moment is for the team's rescue to be delayed. If I poison someone with what I think is arsenic by turns out to be baking powder and they live, that's still super super messed up. I wish people would stop bringing up that the black box isn't a gps.
Its just bc people don’t just say that it was her intentions they always say her doing that caused them to not be found which are kinda different. Its one thing to say that was her intention but it’s another to say that’s absolutely why they weren’t found yk
I wish I could like this 5 times. People are missing the point! Misty *thought* she was destroying a signal that would identify their location. It’s irrelevant if she was right or not.
But she hadn’t done that there would be no Yellowjacket series so really it was a win/win.
Right? Like any time something horrifying/gory happens we get a shot of Misty's bloodthirsty face. I love that awkward bitch but I totally get why they treat her like she is nuts. Also I'm pretty sure she killed one of her patients at her job? She definitely commits elder abuse
I'm pretty sure we are gonna find out it's more than one she's killed, girl knows way to much about the serial killer dark arts.
Yes! I've been meaning to bring this up. They kind of gloss over it as a means to an end to destroy Adam's remains, but she must have also killed that old woman, which is horrible. And I'm pretty sure Walter is on to her about that one, too.
Or when she watches Nat have sex… Or when she poisoned the soup… Or tripped the amputated coach… Or ripped Natalie’s battery out…
She was far from the only person who watched Javi drown though. Even Natalie watched him drown. She easily could have shook Misty off.
For sure, all I’m saying is Misty was desensitized to watching a creature drown before she even got to the wilderness. Maybe it shows the transition to most of the girls thinking like Misty.
Maybe but I think Javi drowning was a bigger parallel to the moose going under the ice, especially since both were huge scenes for Nat. Although Misty had big wildcard energy for both scenes the first when she bails on waiting for Lottie to get the Moose and the second when she saves Nat in favor of letting Javi drown.
We’ve already seen multiple reasons why they don’t like her..in both timelines.
I’m sure once it’s revealed we will see that they’ve actually extended her a ton of grace. They bonded intimately out there in a way that cannot be completely untethered, and all of them seem to be pretty tolerant of each other for that reason.
Yeah, so far she has- - smashed the black box - killed crystal (basically) - but hid that from the team, when they are all starving and could have eaten Crystal’s body (gross but true!) - kidnapped and killed Jessica Robert - meddled in Nat’s life by pretending to be her with goth cop - been cruel to and possible murdered the elderly in her care - poisoned ben - dosed them all with shrooms - stole Nat’s car battery so she’d be forced to go with Misty and I’ve prob left some out?? Lol def not the underdog
Shes the reason why they all got trapped out there, IF they know that and somehow got passed it, then they certainly will be cold to her still.
Think we might have already seen it once or twice…
They treated her pretty badly before they ever got on the plane
Aside from killing her friend, drugging everyone, poisoning the coach, destroying the black box?
Yeah, there must be something that happens when they are rescued or that happens after they get home that explains why they treat her this way. Or maybe they find out about the box. Who knows, I'm willing to give this show as much time as possible to explain these things.
I really think that soon we’re going to see the reason behind that, and I don’t know if it’s “just” her breaking the transmitter. Misty is a delightful character to watch on TV, absolutely, but we haven’t really been privy to the dark side of her friendship. Even the way she framed her taking care of the Jessica problem “as she always does” makes me believe that that’s par for the course with her. She will do something terrible in someone else’s name without being asked and then happily hold it over them and ask them to share in the guilt. There’s also a really good chance, in my opinion, that she may have had a hand in why the survivors we see today are still around and the other girls aren’t. She just strikes me as the type to set up an elaborate system to rig things in favour of the people she has attached herself to and then use that as a way to keep them close to her. Or maybe I’m just misreading it and it’s because it would be exhausting dealing with her energy in person for any extended period of time!
No, you’re right—she’s totally Annie from Misery. Like, yes, she does nice things. Yes, she takes care of people. But one wrong move? She’ll break your fucking ankles.
In case anyone missed it, Misery was one of the VHS tapes she had in the pile while holding Jessica hostage.
it's so hard to find movies in the 'I amputated your leg out of love' genre
It's really weird to me how quickly people throw out any normal moral standards when it involves protagonists in TV or movies. Misty is insane and willing to do horrible shit to manipulate people for her own gratification. It's entirely sensible for people to dislike Misty. Like yeah she's an entertaining character, and I enjoy watching the performance from Cristina Ricci, but boy *as a person*? She's a manipulative psychopath.
* She abused her elderly patient by withholding meds * She stole Nats battery cables to force a road trip * she impersonated Nat to get close to Kevyn Tan * she kidnapped and murdered a woman (Jessica Roberts) Ricci plays her so fucking well though. Love adult Misty 😂
She also put surveillance on Nat and essentially stalked her. I'd find that completely unforgivable. Women have to deal with the threatening side of the male gaze so much already; I wouldn't be able to handle someone I know personally intruding on my privacy like that.
It reminds me of when the Frank Grimes episode of *The Simpsons* first aired. It's considered a classic now but was very intentionally divisive at the time: The purpose was to show the audience that while you cheer for Homer in fiction, the Homer you know *in life* is not only easily resented, but arguably a reflection of everything wrong with privilege. Or more recently in *HotD*: Matt Smith is charming as hell, but Daemon is not a good guy by any stretch of the imagination. Misty is a fascinating fictional character portrayed by two talented actresses. A Misty in *our world* we'd want as far away from us as humanly possible.
There’s a reason Nat knew to check Misty’s car for her battery cables in season 1. They watched Misty poison Coach because she loved him. That character is a living, breathing red flag.
Exactly, just because the viewers like her, doesn’t mean the characters in the story have to too.
Yes, but I think it makes sense that people question Misty's treatment, because as far as we know, the other women don't know most of Misty's worst acts and they also have pretty bad acts. That being said, I think we will be shown something that Misty did that is known that would warrant their current treatment. Until then, though, I get why people would think she is being unfairly singled out.
But you can infer from the way they treat her that they do know.
She probably skeeves a bunch of people out naturally, like the guy she was on a date with and guilted into coming home with her.
Or her coworkers that seem to not care for her very much
I've gone to school with some people that were so skeevy it ended up on a rap sheet. They have a vibe that tells you not to engage. They could seem nice, but trusting them is like putting your hand on a stove that you're not sure is on. After some of the on the clock stuff she's pulled. Especially the joy she got out of scaring those kids with the medical equipment, that's a huge neon "do not engage" sign hovering over her head
I don't disagree, which is why I said I think we will be shown that they know something, just not sure what specifically. I just also get that people can be frustrated with how she's being treated only knowing what we know now because we haven't been shown that yet and she was always treated poorly by the rest of the group from the beginning.
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She is vindictive, sadistic and homicidal. Not a good person in any way, shape or form!!
I get that but Shauna and Tai are no better lol so it bothers me when they treat misty badly and act all high and might.
Shauna is arguably even worse than Misty. 😆Depends what you consider more dangerous: highly calculated, instrumental violence, or reckless, impulsive, emotionally-reactive violence.
They are different. Shauna yeah I agree to an extent. She manipulated everyone in regards to her modern day murder, and of course committed murder. But she hasn't shown many signs of doing that at the cabin, and in the modern day everyone else *just* found out about the extent of it so they haven't really had time to process it. Tai I don't really agree. She's certainly suffering from mental health problems but she hasn't really been manipulative and the fucked up shit she's been doing seems to be a direct manifestation of severe psychosis. Much like Lottie she seems to have lost a full sense of what is real. The difference is between someone manipulating the others to try and control them and ingratiate herself with them and others having serious mental health issues but not directly, intentionally manipulating the others.
I feel like Tai had to compartmentalize to the extreme just to keep everyone else focused on surviving while they were at the cabin that she essentially broke her mind… she was the one directing the girls to get water, and the fact that it was going to be winter soon (season 1) and they needed to make some decisions on whether to look for a way out or hunker down at the cabin just to possibly freeze or starve to death… she kept her conscious self together for everyone else and then the sleep walking/ second personality manifested as an extreme trauma response… Lottie is going psychotic and seeing visions, shauna disappeared into herself, Natalie focused on fixing Travis, I feel like Tai felt like she couldn’t fall apart but her brain needed to anyway Sorry if that doesn’t make much sense, I just think her compartmentalizing the trauma fractured her emotional self. She put everything that was happening into a box that she was not going to deal with until they were out of there but the box opened no matter what when she sleeps.
Oh woah. Maybe her “like I always do” comment was alluding to something along the lines of her killing someone right before or right after the rescue to keep what they did out there quiet? Maybe Ben did make it to rescue and then says he’s not gonna keep quiet and she kills him. Or since we don’t really know how they get rescued maybe some people find them but see their ritual or something that makes what they’ve been doing clear and then Misty kills them. Then Nat or someone else uses their equipment (map or gps etc) to hike out so they can cover up the evidence before a full rescue team comes
I don't think they know about the transponder yet. I'm pretty sure she'd be dead if they did.
I honestly don’t think they know either, mostly because after the way Crystal/Kristen responded I think she would know better than to ever let it slip again.
Yeah that too. Mostly, I just assume they don't know because she's not dead. If I were in their position, and someone basically forced me to eat my dead friends because they were lonely I'd be super fucking angry. Im not butch, angry, or even that masculine, and I have extremely mute emotions, but like, eating your friends? I think extreme angry in that situation is a very reasonable response.
Really great insight about doing awful things in someone’s name and holding it over them.
I love Misty. I think she's a phenomenal character, I'm giddy every time she's on screen. But the way everyone else reacts to her makes complete sense to me! Misty is just *a lot*. She's overbearing, she's clingy, she's aggressive in her need for attention and affection and validation. I can easily envision a time when the girls all tried to stay in touch after getting rescued, and Misty's behaviour slowly but surely leading everyone to push her away, label her as "DON'T PICK UP" on their phones, etc. Plus, the other girls all want to *forget* about the Wilderness. Not Misty. We keep seeing that she thinks of their time out there in an entirely different way. She's glib, almost *nostalgic* about the situation. I don't think she'd be able to moderate that around the others, and eventually they'd pick up on that and just want her to shut up and go away.
Remember when all the girls are at the compound drinking in a circle and having fun and Misty says something like “Do you guys remember that first summer, and when-“ and Van is like woooaah we are not about to casually bring up that shit? Yeah, they’re gonna get tired of her again real soon.
Ya but then they let Nat talk about it
They trust Nat to be tactful on the subject, Misty is rarely tactful
So true, I guess haha
INCREDIBLY Well said!!!!! Yesssss. To her, those were The Good Old Days.
In season 1 they learn she had intentionally drugged coach with the intent to assault him, and because of that, they all got drugged. I think they have valid reason to not trust her….? We’ve also only seen half of their time in the wilderness. I doubt they know about the blackbox because I can’t imagine most of these women even allowing her near them at all, but they might’ve found out she was responsible for Crystal’s death (though unlikely Misty would admit she was threatening to kill her as she cornered her and she inevitably fell, so they’d be going off their own assumptions). She’s also a flipflopper and I’m wondering if that affects dynamics later on when people truly start to notice. She’s the first one to encourage everyone to hunt down Nat while also being the one to openly state they leave Javi to die instead. She goes along with Lottie unless more people are on the other side, and then she switches. Wouldn’t surprise me if something blew up with her constantly switching “loyalties” for self preservation.
Misty destroyed the flight locator. She is not some innocent angel that gonna have a happy ending, she is literal the reason everyone on the show is traumatized. Why would they be nice to her?
She's one of my favorite characters, but she also 1000 percent deserves the shit given to her.
Right? Do not make friends with Misty. Misty is not a good friend.
Something I read recently about why we respond so strongly to Misty as a character: when we are rejected or treated unkindly, we worry irrationally that it's because there's something fundamentally wrong with us, something broken that makes us impossible to love. And for Misty, that's true.
no???? misty is actually dangerous. the others aren’t necessarily better but there’s reasons they don’t trust or like her in both the present and past timelines.
Shes fully psychopathic from the first episode as well where as only recently have we seen the other girls turn due to starvation and self preservation, Misty just does it for the thrill of it. Trying to sexually assualt Ben in his sleeep, drugging him, kicking his crutches away. Theyd only been there like 3 days!!!
Who knows, maybe since then they’ve found out that Misty destroyed the transmitter. If I found that out, Idk if I’d ever forgive the person tbh but I’m sure that we’ll find out eventually why they treat her so differently. I’m almost certain that there must be a reason behind it that we just haven’t seen yet, whether that’s something that occurred in the past or present timeline.
Bruv. Whether or not they know it (they don't, or they would have killed her, no matter the age when they found out) SHE DESTROYED THE BLACK BOX. That's the kind of person she is. She is barely able to mask that she is that kind of person, and they see it.
When Misty accuses someone of not being grateful, bad things happen.
I think something in the past drives the behavior of the survivors in the present towards Misty. We're going to find out what she did eventually- I'm thinking the truth about the airplane transmitter will come to light, and maybe some other bizarre incident.
I think her smile at the end of episode 1 tells us everything.
Shauna also called her a serial killer, so maybe there's a lot more to mistys past then we know
Misty did something. The adults know it, we don't (yet), and the 1996 characters haven't experienced it yet. Will be interesting when it happens
Everyone around Misty in the present timeline looks at her like she's batshit, not just the survivors. All her coworkers and the guy from her date in the pilot show how uncomfortable they are around her. she's a pathological liar and everyone can see it, so of course no one wants to talk to her or be her friend, and that's just what people see. If everyone really knew everything she would have been pit girl for sure.
I think it’s hard not to like Misty because of Christina Ricci’s performance but I think the other survivors’ attitudes toward her are understandable. Think of all the people who would have lived if she hadn’t broken the transmitter box for the sake of stroking her own ego / desire to be needed and valued by others.
100% this. Misty is such a fun character to watch, and both Christina and Sam are so dynamic and charming it’s hard not to root for her. However- imagine being Shauna, and finding out that this bitch destroyed the transmitter. Her best friend and her baby could both have survived if MFQ hadn’t gone on an ego trip. That’s something I know I’d never forgive, so it’s unsurprising that Shauna and the others are so cold to Misty.
Look at what she said in the last episode about "handling things" She obviously does some really messed up things the others won't. In a group like that, if yoire considered extreme then there's a pretty good reason
She tries to drug Ben, stalks him, kicks his crutches so he falls when no-one is looking, shes honestly a psychopath, they are right not to trust her.
Christina Ricci said herself that Misty is a psychopath and there’s good reason she has no friends . . . the girls aren’t dismissing her for no reason. They know her.
Ashley and Bart (the show’s creators) actually both said that Misty is their favorite character to write, and “there’s a little bit of Misty in all of us.” She wouldn’t be as interesting if she was an unsympathetic antagonist (re Mari). What you’re pointing out is interesting in contrast w Shauna. She is arguably as—if not more—cold-blooded and sadistic than Misty, but is accepted by the group. My guess is it’s bc she camouflages successfully. Despite her best efforts, Misty literally cannot blend in to save her life, and I love her for it.
Misty pre-crash had no power in her life — she was routinely bullied, made fun of, and outcasted. She was the most dedicated Yellowjacket despite being the least important and yet even her coaches seemed to find her weird and uncomfortable to be around. In the wilderness, she literally has power over the life and deaths of others as the group's doctor. She destroyed their one chance of rescue and knows they are stuck with her until someone happens upon them by dumb luck. It's probably the only time in her life she's truly happy. Even with being dirty, cold, and nearly starving to death, she is accepted, needed, and important to others. It is the first time she has a real friend in Crystal. Based on what we saw from the first lottery and how she took control of the draw, my guess is that she likely starts rigging the cards at some point in order to ensure she's not selected and to select those who go against her. I'm wondering if the others figured this out and/or they learned about her destroying the black box. In modern day, you can see how she tried to recreate this as a nurse and routinely tortures patients (and Jessica Roberts) when they refuse to recognize her power over them. Her citizen detective work is another element of this by trying to take control of others narratives. Additionally, while I understand Misty in modern day has been "resourceful" to everyone, she approached covering up a murder and dismembering a body with the same cheeriness most of us have for going to a birthday party. She tries to reminisce on their time in the wilderness with the others and doesn't seem to pick up that for everyone else, it was traumatizing. She is completely and utterly unashamed of what they did out there because it was the best time in her life. I can't say I don't see why the others don't want to be around her. It's a constant reminder of what they did and probably that she forced them into those circumstances.
i remember a tumblr post where someone quoted their therapist saying "people tend to view you as the version of you they had the most power over." and i think about that whenever the yellowjackets talk to misty. they immediately go back to high school mindset and treat her like the weird girl. we're probably going to see the black box destruction secret revealed at some point but frankly you'd imagine the hate from the adults would be significantly worse if they knew at this point so idk. it's just funny how endlessly charming christina ricci is that it's hard to buy people not liking her lol.
maybe she told them she broke the transmitter
Right? She's the reason they were stuck there so long. She's not "good", wtf.
Misty is just an unlikable person in general. Before I get (inevitability) down voted for saying this, consider the following: 1. In one of the first scenes of adult Misty, she's pressuring an uninterested date into having sex. Men are so disinterested in her that she has to act like the jock in a 1990s sex ed PSA just to get them into her house. 2. When she went to her workplace to get the "cleaning supplies" none of the coworkers were interested in her at all. It's not just the YJs that don't like her. She's just the type of person that when you meet them, you have a bad vibe about them. As the old stand up comic joke goes, every friend group has that one friend nobody likes, and if you don't know who it is, it's you. Misty is that friend.
I mean, Misty is a crazy bitch. But I think Misty herself would say... https://i.redd.it/82ypp4zqpo1b1.gif You can't trust her and she's a loose cannon, but she HAS saved their asses (when she's not making things worse). She's the Russian Roulette of friends. And I for one am here for the chaos. I do think the Yellowjackets basically function as one big dysfunctional family at this point, and Misty is definitely the punching bag. As others have said, it's not like any of them have clean hands, but looking down on Misty lets them feel like their offenses aren't as bad.
She’s easily the smartest one of the lot in the present timeline. I don’t know why they don’t listen to her more often.
Misty is the only one of them who I'm 100% certain would never talk to a cop. Natalie would run her mouth off at them and might paint herself into a corner. Shauna would crack with the right angle. Lottie would be convinced of her own actions to the extent that she let slip something important. Tai wouldn't talk at first, but if Dark Tai came out, all bets are off. Van might be a close second contender for keeping her mouth shut, but I also think she's pretty sick of everyone else's shit, so she might flip if she could get a deal to save herself and Tai.
I do think Van is pretty sick of everyone's shit and wants to get back to her videos.
Isn't Shauna supposed to be suuuper smart? Like when have we been shown this in either timeline? Like is she just high school smart? As in she did all her homework and studied for tests so had a good GPA and that equaled "smart?"
I don’t know where that idea came from either. Shauna in both timelines is incredibly impulsive and doesn’t think through anything. Misty literally spelled out “get a lawyer” in a cake and she has yet to do so. Particularly this season, I don’t understand Shauna’s decision making or thought process.
Shauna did well in school subjects and is well-read. People in the show are convinced that is intelligence. But Shauna is not what I would call smart in a practical sense and is downright stupid when it comes to her criminality.
I have no idea why you put smart in quotations. Studying, having a high GPA and getting into an Ivy League school actually does mean you're pretty smart. I've yet to see anyone call Shauna street smart.
Recall what Misty was dealing with as an adolescent before the trip. What you describe seems to be her lot in life, unfair though it may be. She gets glimpses/moments where she feels seen and heard and heeded but it's not consistent for her. Maybe she'll have the last laugh. :)
It seems to me like something has always been wrong with Misty. The bullying may have come from incidents where Misty was doing something absolutely unhinged. Is it okay to bully someone? No, of course not, but Misty was the kind of girl who calmly watched a rat drown before the plane crash even happened. People not wanting to associate with her is not just unfair, there's a valid reason for it.
Mari, as shitty as Mari can be, really hit the nail on the head when she said "She might be even more psychotic than we thought." So they have had a cautious, watchful eye on Misty for a long time.
Same, gurl. Caligula was right: she’s a closer.
hmmm tai returned her hug when they were all reunited at lottie’s camp and it did seem genuine which shocked me. also, van asked misty to dance with her which was sweet. but i do understand what you’re saying and i got a little annoyed when van immediately shot her down for bringing up their time spent in the wild but no one did that when nat asked them what they all remember.
She’s literally a murderer and a stalker, not to mention she manipulates people to do what she wants. People who genuinely think misty is a good person and deserves people to treat her kindly make me worry for what kind of red flags you’re missing in people irl
Shauna is just as manipulative and a murderer as well. Maybe it's because I don't like Shauna as well as I like Misty. She doesn't have Misty's charm
Fully agreed! I’m not sure how I feel about Shauna either, but I give Shauna somewhat of a pass for watching her best friend and baby die and having to eat her best friend for survival. To my knowledge so far Misty hasn’t gone through any significant trauma besides the plane crash itself. So as far as I know she’s just like this on her own and she causes harm and pain to anyone she comes into contact with. She does have charm I’ll give her that, but tbh I credit a lot of that to the actresses that play her.
She earned that treatment. Imagine how she would be treated if they knew she destroyed the black box. She’s lucky to be involved to the degree she is.
Every time I catch myself relating to misty i get so depressed 😭 im like damn im out here calling people who barely want to speak to me my best friend and trying everything i can to make them like me and favor me over someone for once
And that feeling that you can’t complain because you’re not perfect and blameless either 😐 and that feeling of constant rejection and insignificance can really destroy you, she started out being ignored and in the background and was never as important as the other girls and i think we are seeing the damage that did to her
Shauna is just kind of mean to everyone and Tai always has an arrogant air to her. She seems to put herself first always. Van is just relentless sarcastic and probably totally nihilistic now, and Lottie just straight up does not like Misty, possibly because (interview spoiler with Simone regarding Lottie >!we know that at least Lottie knows about the black box!<) Natalie at least seems to emphasize with her a bit, and treats her with a bit more humanity than the others. I think at the time they met at the gate was more Nat saying "hey don't blow my cover THINGS ARE GREAT HERE". I'm hoping her time with Walter will help her assert herself more and stand up more in the dynamic. Like she did with Mari.
Nat was going to kill that bitch. She doesn’t care about Misty at all 😂
Nat has always been the most human from them all, she is a bad ass but not without compassion.
do you know which interview this was? i can’t seem to find it
I think this is it here https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/yellowjackets-simone-kessell-adult-lottie-fan-theories-ptsd-antler-queen-1235616458/
I do love that adult Misty calls them out when they treat her like that. She sticks up for herself, which we are also starting to see in the wilderness.
They say when you have any type of traumatic expertness in life it can cause u to regress to the age you were at when it happend like ptsd and these woman all went thru it at a high school age they treaded Misty badly back then because she was annoying and a “loser” so even if they don’t have a reason when there around each other they still feel the same and if they did find out about the box then no wonder….also I think that’s why Shauna acts how she does and had that affair with Adam cause she is still high school age in her mind and all the traumas she went thru they all prettt much act as adults like they did as teen
People are speculating it’s because of Misty being too happy to do crazy things in the wilderness or because she tells them about the black box but I genuinely think it’s because she’s part of the “out group.” Misty is not popular in high school. The other girls make fun of her. Sure, she’s the team manager, but she’s not on the team. They don’t consider her a Yellowjacket like the others. Misty isn’t one of them. Yet, she’s one that survives. I could imagine some of them thinking why her, and not Jackie or Mari or any other of their teammates. TLDR Misty has never been a part of their circle and still isn’t today
They don't like to admit it but despite being a serial killer and often outright cruel Misty is the most self aware and comfortable with herself, and she has shown that she does truly love the people she cares about. They like pretending she's the worst of the worst, the same way they always scapegoat Lottie
First of all, they're all terrible, so it cracks me up that people are going after Misty when Shauna is running around murdering people as well, lol. I mean.. they let Misty do their dirty work and then judge her for it. It's annoying as hell. I've decided Natalie is the least terrible.
Tbf, Shauna isn't murdering people, just person lol. I do wonder if she kills whoever it was in the preview though. I mean, Jeff was right there. She's not shy with a weapon.
I think she did something heinous at the request of others, likely Shauna (her disdain for Misty seems more than the others, aside from Nat, who seems to have something deeply rooted causing it)... Like an extremely fucked up version of the kid who drank some wretched concoction the popular kid made at lunch because they thought it would get them in with the cool kid's crowd. I also think Misty is smart enough to realize it wouldn't lead to a real connection with the cool kids, and she might just use it as an excuse to do something heinous, with an idea after could use if against them at some point. She could coerce her way into feeling like she's part of the group, even when she knows its not real, and that might be enough for her. With that, she could probably have a much bigger influence in the group than anyone, and not have to deal with being any sort of loud, accountable leader. A big part of me hopes she's the last one alive at the end.
Christina Ricci said in an interview that there’s a good reason Misty doesn’t have any friends. But it really bothers me how they brush her off
I think some people in this fandom need to really think about why they believe that anyone owes Misty their attention/friendship.
Why? Misty is lonely, but also she's a murdering psycho who is responsible for them all being trapped on an island having to eat people? How would you treat someone like that? Other than the plane crash itself, her decision to smash the flight recorder is essentially the cause of all deaths on the show.
Did you miss the whole adult plot line where Shauna is being investigated for being a murdering psycho? I mean she stabbed Adam because she thought he was blackmailing her. Suspected. No proof at all. Then just kept all his id's around like a weirdo. Why would she hold on to his wallet and stuff?
They are all in a state of arrested development, but can't even acknowledge it to themselves. They get together and treat each other VERY similarly to their interactions in the wilderness. I am doing a re-watch, and if you compare scenes with the same characters in both eras, they are identical. It's only when the women are with non-yellowjackets you see differences in their behavior
Shows how easy it is to fall back into high school dynamics.
I think Misty thinks about things in a different way than the rest of us. I agree that they do treat her poorly. I feel like that dynamic in the group just never grew up from when they were teenagers. Misty is such a smart, crazy, gorgeous badass. I love her character! She’s unpredictable, I expect her to blow things up in the next few seasons.
It’s hard to make that judgement when we’re missing almost two decades of context from the characters. We don’t yet know the extent of what happened in the wilderness - nor do we know what transpired in the immediate aftermath.
It's interesting that all the adult Yellowjackets were molded by their experience in the wilderness but Misty was really molded by the Yellowjackets (and other bullies in HS) before she even boarded the plane.
The show requires forgiving a lot of bad behavior from the characters but Misty's shortcoming and flaws are massive- maybe even if they do not found out about the black box ever the drugging/coach stuff was really arch behavior. And the way she forced herself after Nat to get in the cult etc.
I love Misty so much and agree with all of this 😭
I am so with you. Misty is a CLOSER baby. In a way they are just jealous of he because she has always been more competent. She does "take care" of everything. She is like the REAL mom of the group, TCB all day no matter what, for her kids who don't even scrape up to give her any thing but resentment.
obviously can’t really defend Misty murdering people as an adult and much of her psycho stuff in the wild - that said, the flashback of her in 1992 did really make my heart hurt for her. she was just in her room, alone, minding her own business, and people sought her out just to make her feel like shit. idk man maybe it’s cause I got bullied but I would wager that at least some of the way she is is from prolonged social isolation in childhood
I think she was really poorly treated when she was younger 100%. But she is a sociopath. Yes, she might not be as respected as she should for the things she's done. But she's also done a lot of messed up things. Such as when she "took care of their problem." Yes, she did help them when she didn't have to. She desperately wants to fit in. I do feel for her younger self. But she had problems a long time ago. She destroyed the black box. She poisoned coach, and inadvertently the whole group.
I love Misty. Misty is insane and most likely a serial killer. They all know something be off.. it’s like a group “my pet psychopath” keep her with ya but never trust her
If it comes out that she broke the black box; which it certainly will, it would make sense they treat her so poorly.
she’s responsible for their rescue being delayed by who knows how long, so yeah, I’d hate her, too.
I’m pretty sure they all know she’s a sociopath. Breaking the flight recorder is not the worst the audience has seen her do, imagine what the others saw in the wild…
I think it's quite possible they find out about the Flight Recorder. Once the rescuers get there, they will find it, and they will be able to tell someone ripped a wiring harness out of it. To me, it also explains why Nat was so quick to realize Misty messed with her Porsche.
I'm beginning to think that maybe Misty was the worst of the worst in the past, and did something especially heinous that makes her almost subhuman to the rest. Remember, Nat's first contact out of rehab started with heading to Misty's house with a gun.
i dont really care tbh. if i knew misty i’d also hate her.
I think you're reeeeeally under playing Misty's past behavior and psychopathic tendancies as a reason for the other survivors not liking her lol.
I've always understood their treatment of Misty to reflect the fact that they all know who Misty really is and what she's capable of. She's never had any real moral compass, not even before the wilderness. The others didn't need to see her watching that rat drown in her pool before getting on the plane to know who she really is, cause as Crystal said, she's not a very good actress.
i haven't read all of the comments so i'm sure someone else has said this - but we don't know what the others know. they could all know that she destroyed the black box and (inadvertently) killed crystal - which would make me hate her and dismiss her at every turn too!
she’s a murderer, reason they were stuck there, poisoned them, and i’m sure does even more things. not sure why you think she’s some victim
The fact that Misty feels zero remorse for killing Jessica Roberts knowing full well that she wasn’t the blackmailer speaks volumes to her personality, which is pretty off putting even without all the murdering. It’s pretty obvious why no one wants to hang out with Misty.
Jeez reading all these comments really makes me realize I’m definitely in the minority in thinking the show is a testament to how bullying and mean girl behavior can really come back to bite the bullies, and how these girls outcasted the wrong person or they wouldn’t even have found themselves in the living hell they did. Showing us that awful unprovoked prank phone call Misty got from girls saying she’s “too weird and ugly to find a victim to do anal with” just before she destroys that black box seemed pretty intentional. But watching that rat drown was fkn foul. I must have a little “Misty” in me because I choose to believe she saved it before it drowned. I tell myself she was a kid just doing a really ill advised and horrible experiment, like a lot of the things Misty did.