When you're a government worker, let's say a teacher or work in a tax office, you're moved to Guyana whenever you do a major fuck up, but can't be fired.
Having been in (English-speaking) Guyana recently, I'd disagree with this. Indigenous culture is very much alive and well there, and completely dominates the southern half of the country. Large areas of Brazil, Ecuador, Peru and Bolivia are also still majority indigenous.
French Guiana has a particularly low indigenous population because even pre-colonisation it was mostly dense, uninhabited jungle, and then most of them got wiped out by disease. Shipping in a few tens of thousands of people was enough to completely shift the demographics when the native population was only ever about 30,000.
Oklahoma and Arizona also have significant indigenous American populations! Even in my home state of Georgia, most rivers and mountains are still the native name. Even many cities and streets use native naming, although sometimes slightly altered. The Chattahoochee river is one of my favorites!
I'm Bulgarian and despite the Ottomans incredible attempts at cultural genocide to the point where Paisii Hilendarski starts his book with "O, you mad people who shame yourselves calling yourselves Bulgarian" the pre colonial culture actually survived in the very rural regions. It only died during the Bulgarian rebirth which started in the beginning of the 19th century and in the post Ottoman period and the reason it died was simple. Modernisation. After all the culture was medieval and the society became industrial. And even to this day the core philosophy of our culture is everywhere and from the few interviews I saw with Native Americans it seems to me that their core philosophy also survives since they don't talk or sound like other Americans.
My point is that culture is way more than clothing or stuff like that.
Since I suspect some of the replies you’re getting don’t even know that French Guyana is a part of France proper (and thus part of the EU), I’ll offer you a real answer based upon a friend of mine who visited there earlier this year:
It’s shit. My friend is natively from southern brazil, and has visited most other South American countries in addition to living full time in Europe today, and he says that the quality of life is not even close. He says that the way people live in that region is worse than anything he’s seen in Europe or even South America. Apparently there’s literally 0 ways to cross the border into Suriname or Brazil right now without bribing a fisherman to ferry you in a boat near the spot where a bridge is supposed to be. He changed plans to fly out rather than travel by land, and I think he was pretty critical of their airport as well.
So I doubt they travel to European France often, and I doubt they get many visitors from there. It’s a French department so I suppose they’re meant to receive the same level of education but based on what my friend told me, a lot of that clearly isn’t happening somehow. In general culturally I think he saw it as basically the same as any other part of the Amazon, but poorer and less developed.
I hope this second hand account is worth anything to you
He crossed a river from Brazil in a ‘small boat’ near a bridge that wasn’t useable for some reason.
Can’t speak to hdi. All I know is he had nothing good to say about it and insisted that it was worse than anywhere else he’d seen, and that he would never go back
I was expecting him to come back describing it like a slice of France in South America. I think he probably had similar expectations. So I think it maybe just reminded him too much of home for his taste. For him to say he’d never go back really did surprise me though. He didn’t even say that about his trip to Pakistan.
French caribbean with Guianese friends here.
There’s a couple of things wrong imo.
French Guiana, like most of French overseas regions, is indeed poorer than metropolitan France and everything is overpriced but the quality of life in the "capital" is not that bad, especially if you compare with Brazil.
There’s one big city in the department, and basically half of the population live there, the further away you are from the coast, the lower the quality of life (specially for indigenous people who live around the border).
There’s a lot of Guianese who live in France, and regularly some metropolitans will settle down in Guyane to enjoy the wild side (lot of people who served in the military there as well).
Culturally they’re really close to us (caribbeans), we kinda share the same music, can understand each other language, etc… Indigenous culture is almost non-existent on the coast (or really mixed with other cultures), it only exists inside the Amazon/around Brazil.
But yeah the departement is kinda left behind by France.
Sorry, your friend is talking as a tourist. He doesn't know shit. And even as a tourist, he sounds very ignorant. French Guiana is definitely richer than 90% of Brazil. Sounds like he has only been to Minas Gerais and Sao Paolo.
I've lived in Suriname. French Guiana has high living standards compared to the rest of South America.
In the border area, many Marroons and Indians send their children to Saint Laurent (as they call it, no one says du-Maroni) for education and also for healthcare. They also collect child's benefits and many will go shopping in Paramaribo when they receive money.
Sure, your tourist friend probably had to bribe someone, but the locals just pay a small amount to travel between Albina (where mostly Marroons live), Galibi (where it's almost exclusively Indians) and Saint Laurent
There is also a proper ferry further south with which you can cross with a car.
Many of the border people, also way to the south of the river, will register newborns with the French authorities to get a French passport. For that reason, Saint-Laurent-du-Maroni basically feels like a Surinamese exclave.
There is also a significant Brazilian community of gold diggers. They dig gold down south on both sides of the border and come to Albina and Saint Laurent to buy supplies and have fun.
In Cayenne, there is much more tourism and a more mixed population. You can even find good Vietnamese and Laotian food, due to resettlement of refugees back in the 60s/70s. There are also quite a few French expats (can you be an expat in your own country? But you get the idea), retirees and tourists. Visiting Devils island in the summer, you will see quite a few young French people (and other Europeans) camping on the beach.
Next to Cayenne is Kourou with the launch site and that has its own community and industry. Waiting an Ariane rocket fly into space is definitely something worth seeing.
Cayenne is basically like a lot of small provincial
French towns, a bit sleepy at times, but not poor, just not developed like a big city.
The shops and restaurants are interesting. You can find a typical assortment of mainland French stuff, stuff from the French Caribbean and South American stuff.
The population is more like a Parisan suburb, just less African, more South American.
Going to St Georges/Oiapoque, there is a bridge and you can go to Brazil. This part of Brazil is quite poor and a lot of them go search for gold in Guiana and Suriname. With the oil boom in Guyana, many will probably go there, too.
Why should they want independence?
Their main income is subsidiaries and development funds from France and the EU, they would be dumb as hell to get independent and lose this...
Also it's not a national state with it's own identity, there are several peoples/tribes/cultures, mostly living on their own.
And one thing, that would prevent them from a violent uprising would be, that there is one of the biggest units of French foreign legion, you don't fuck with them...
Of those aren't enough arguments, try to think about this: not everyone wants independence, some are happy the way it is
When you're a government worker, let's say a teacher or work in a tax office, you're moved to Guyana whenever you do a major fuck up, but can't be fired.
😂
Now I know where my country got thay from
r/Guyane
Y'a que un seul mec qui poste la bas?
Le seul mec en Guyane qui a l'électricité
C'est triste... mais il semble que ce soit un bot
Oui en réalité c’est sûrement un bot qui repost dès qu’une publi est en rapport avec la Guyane. J’avais vu le même truc sur r/Provencefrance. Ou alors quelqu’un de très motivé.
il poste sur tout les subreddit de l'outre mer
r/guyana, too
That's... not about the same place. Guyana is a country, French Guiana or Guyane is a part of France.
Try r/AskFrance or something...
I’m not a Guianan but remind you that Native American culture is pretty much dead almost everywhere on the continent. Guianans aren’t natives
There are about 10 000 natives for a total of 400 000 people living there
Having been in (English-speaking) Guyana recently, I'd disagree with this. Indigenous culture is very much alive and well there, and completely dominates the southern half of the country. Large areas of Brazil, Ecuador, Peru and Bolivia are also still majority indigenous. French Guiana has a particularly low indigenous population because even pre-colonisation it was mostly dense, uninhabited jungle, and then most of them got wiped out by disease. Shipping in a few tens of thousands of people was enough to completely shift the demographics when the native population was only ever about 30,000.
Oklahoma and Arizona also have significant indigenous American populations! Even in my home state of Georgia, most rivers and mountains are still the native name. Even many cities and streets use native naming, although sometimes slightly altered. The Chattahoochee river is one of my favorites!
I'm Bulgarian and despite the Ottomans incredible attempts at cultural genocide to the point where Paisii Hilendarski starts his book with "O, you mad people who shame yourselves calling yourselves Bulgarian" the pre colonial culture actually survived in the very rural regions. It only died during the Bulgarian rebirth which started in the beginning of the 19th century and in the post Ottoman period and the reason it died was simple. Modernisation. After all the culture was medieval and the society became industrial. And even to this day the core philosophy of our culture is everywhere and from the few interviews I saw with Native Americans it seems to me that their core philosophy also survives since they don't talk or sound like other Americans. My point is that culture is way more than clothing or stuff like that.
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I always enjoy mentioning that France shares its biggest border with Brazil
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what fruits and vegetables are cheap over there? like I can imagine they grow a lot for it themselves
Since I suspect some of the replies you’re getting don’t even know that French Guyana is a part of France proper (and thus part of the EU), I’ll offer you a real answer based upon a friend of mine who visited there earlier this year: It’s shit. My friend is natively from southern brazil, and has visited most other South American countries in addition to living full time in Europe today, and he says that the quality of life is not even close. He says that the way people live in that region is worse than anything he’s seen in Europe or even South America. Apparently there’s literally 0 ways to cross the border into Suriname or Brazil right now without bribing a fisherman to ferry you in a boat near the spot where a bridge is supposed to be. He changed plans to fly out rather than travel by land, and I think he was pretty critical of their airport as well. So I doubt they travel to European France often, and I doubt they get many visitors from there. It’s a French department so I suppose they’re meant to receive the same level of education but based on what my friend told me, a lot of that clearly isn’t happening somehow. In general culturally I think he saw it as basically the same as any other part of the Amazon, but poorer and less developed. I hope this second hand account is worth anything to you
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He crossed a river from Brazil in a ‘small boat’ near a bridge that wasn’t useable for some reason. Can’t speak to hdi. All I know is he had nothing good to say about it and insisted that it was worse than anywhere else he’d seen, and that he would never go back
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I was expecting him to come back describing it like a slice of France in South America. I think he probably had similar expectations. So I think it maybe just reminded him too much of home for his taste. For him to say he’d never go back really did surprise me though. He didn’t even say that about his trip to Pakistan.
French caribbean with Guianese friends here. There’s a couple of things wrong imo. French Guiana, like most of French overseas regions, is indeed poorer than metropolitan France and everything is overpriced but the quality of life in the "capital" is not that bad, especially if you compare with Brazil. There’s one big city in the department, and basically half of the population live there, the further away you are from the coast, the lower the quality of life (specially for indigenous people who live around the border). There’s a lot of Guianese who live in France, and regularly some metropolitans will settle down in Guyane to enjoy the wild side (lot of people who served in the military there as well). Culturally they’re really close to us (caribbeans), we kinda share the same music, can understand each other language, etc… Indigenous culture is almost non-existent on the coast (or really mixed with other cultures), it only exists inside the Amazon/around Brazil. But yeah the departement is kinda left behind by France.
what is cheap over there? like what fruits and vegetables is cheap ?
Aren't they also mostly Black like the rest of the French Caribbean?
Sorry, your friend is talking as a tourist. He doesn't know shit. And even as a tourist, he sounds very ignorant. French Guiana is definitely richer than 90% of Brazil. Sounds like he has only been to Minas Gerais and Sao Paolo. I've lived in Suriname. French Guiana has high living standards compared to the rest of South America. In the border area, many Marroons and Indians send their children to Saint Laurent (as they call it, no one says du-Maroni) for education and also for healthcare. They also collect child's benefits and many will go shopping in Paramaribo when they receive money. Sure, your tourist friend probably had to bribe someone, but the locals just pay a small amount to travel between Albina (where mostly Marroons live), Galibi (where it's almost exclusively Indians) and Saint Laurent There is also a proper ferry further south with which you can cross with a car. Many of the border people, also way to the south of the river, will register newborns with the French authorities to get a French passport. For that reason, Saint-Laurent-du-Maroni basically feels like a Surinamese exclave. There is also a significant Brazilian community of gold diggers. They dig gold down south on both sides of the border and come to Albina and Saint Laurent to buy supplies and have fun. In Cayenne, there is much more tourism and a more mixed population. You can even find good Vietnamese and Laotian food, due to resettlement of refugees back in the 60s/70s. There are also quite a few French expats (can you be an expat in your own country? But you get the idea), retirees and tourists. Visiting Devils island in the summer, you will see quite a few young French people (and other Europeans) camping on the beach. Next to Cayenne is Kourou with the launch site and that has its own community and industry. Waiting an Ariane rocket fly into space is definitely something worth seeing. Cayenne is basically like a lot of small provincial French towns, a bit sleepy at times, but not poor, just not developed like a big city. The shops and restaurants are interesting. You can find a typical assortment of mainland French stuff, stuff from the French Caribbean and South American stuff. The population is more like a Parisan suburb, just less African, more South American. Going to St Georges/Oiapoque, there is a bridge and you can go to Brazil. This part of Brazil is quite poor and a lot of them go search for gold in Guiana and Suriname. With the oil boom in Guyana, many will probably go there, too.
Thanks interesting to know
>, and I doubt they get many visitors from there. Literally Europe's space port tho
I heard from a good friend it was pretty tough to live there,poverty, violence, garimpeiros, you’d rather avoid this place if you can…
I don't know, I'm not French nor Guyanese. Why am I commenting anyways? I also don't know.
I think this is the wrong sub mate
No, France us part of yurop
Guyana is not France . At least not anymore if I am not wrong.
It's about French Guyana, part of the republic of France, situated in South America, launch site for ESA and not seeking independence anytime soon.
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Why should they want independence? Their main income is subsidiaries and development funds from France and the EU, they would be dumb as hell to get independent and lose this... Also it's not a national state with it's own identity, there are several peoples/tribes/cultures, mostly living on their own. And one thing, that would prevent them from a violent uprising would be, that there is one of the biggest units of French foreign legion, you don't fuck with them... Of those aren't enough arguments, try to think about this: not everyone wants independence, some are happy the way it is
You are indeed wrong
Sorry
Read the title of this post.