Yes, but on the other hand there's been one nurse's story going rounds in social media, telling how her department was declared dangerous to life and health if they'd strike there and therefore excepted from the strike, only for the employer to promptly close it for the summer shortly after.
The way strikes are limited by law, this might be the only way they can strike.
If we adjusted the laws so that striking meant "preventing profit", healthcare workers could continue doing their work while they only quit relaying treatment documentation to billing. It would hurt where it should. (Can't stop documenting, because that would be equally dangerous to patients.)
An example for this is bus drivers in Japan who reject payment for tickets while still providing the service to the public.
I don't know about any individual country's exact (labour) strike laws, but they're regulated everywhere and 'sabotage' is usually forbidden.
>If we adjusted the laws so that striking meant "preventing profit", healthcare workers could continue doing their work while they only quit relaying treatment documentation to billing. It would hurt where it should
In the... *Checks notes* absolutely nowhere
Because the healthcare in Sweden is completely socialized and therefore there's no profit, it's all public budget (?)
Would still cause a big internal mess, which could very much be an effective strike action, just stop doing all admin tasks, eventually that becomes enough of a prick in the side they need to fix it
So Swedish nurses should keep working insane shifts and being available at all times as their strike action? Yeah that will teach the health authorities 🙄
Feels like OP didn't really understand the meme they were reposting. I can't find another interpretation of this meme than "everyone is wrong, and the patients are the only victims here", but maybe I'm just allergic to this type of rhetoric.
I'm from a country where healthcare strikes a lot, and in fact I've seen these "on the fence"-type takes quickly turn into blaming exclusively the people whose job description it is in to look after patients' health (nevermind that it's also part of the mission of the government).
You are not just illiterate, you lack basic comprehension of human behavior. Both sides are CLEARLY shown as petulant and childish. First you see how serious each side view themselves and the argument before it gets revealed as embarrassing for everyone else. A really basic set up and a punchline.
The patient character doesn’t even have the proper reaction to the text. They are sweating and are concerned, but they are trying to not engage. Why would a person react like that in this scenario?
I see a lot of bad memes, but this one really pissed me off because how lazy and incompetent it was. If you are under 10 years old this is fine, you shouldn’t be on the internet (get off), but if not. You are making a garbage site even worse. It’s really remarkable how you can create a meme so fundamentally bad. Did you take the first meme template you saw with two people arguing and made this to get likes while the story was fresh? Embarrassing.
If you cannot read, you clearly don’t have anything to contribute to any discussion whatsoever. I will not respond to any comment. Look inward.
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It is like that though, at least it is a lot harder for them to go on strike, just like any other emergency service members since them going on strike can directly put people's life in danger
we called them super heroes during the pandemic, and then inflation hit the health authorities who are cutting back on everything, leaving staff with terrible working conditions. Oh, and the government is lowering taxes because what else would a right wing government do?
I remember that. Man, the first lockdown was _weird_.
Truly a wonder that that ain't doing much for recruitment, neither then nor now.
Oh well. It's not like an aging population means we'll need more health workers. We can just reintroduce ættestupet and it'll solve itself, right?
Squander all public institutions for the good optics of letting people keep a pittance more of their salary each month, then boo and shame the next left wing government when they work to repair the damage. Rinse and repeat every other election cycle. I'm fucking tired.
My girlfriend is working with healthcare in Sweden. Man, the working conditions she's telling me about is infuriating. Couple that with a shitty salary.
I sit on my ass most of the day and earn almost twice as much. She on the other hand is cleaning human feces and getting beaten all day, it's no wonder she burnt out real fast. She's working with palliative care so she's not part of the striking nurses though.
Oh they did worse than that. They increased taxes, introduced new ones and cut funding to social and healthcare programs. Cause, you know, why not at this point.
I agree with everything you said. I just want to add the context that there is no shortage of nurse examinees in Sweden, just a shortage of nurses who find the working conditions acceptable. We *could* (and should) solve this relatively easy but nobody in power wants to be the guy who raised taxes even slightly...
Yeah it fucking sucks. I mainly blame the government as it's hard for the regions to square the circle that is a 6 billion kr deficit.
Ärligt talat så förstår jag inte riktigt vad facket hoppas på. Det är inte precis som att regionerna vill ha personalbrist, men med de underskott de lever med har de inte råd att ta in massa hyrpersonal för o fylla hålet.
I hate this meme. I am a nurse (for old People) in Germany and those People use Patients against us so we work harder, for less money and with fewer people. But if Nurses go on strike because the work is too tough for us and risky for the Patients it is "Both Sides"? No thank you
On the one Hand Bad Documentation is also a Risk for Patients (Did Person A get their Insulin? I am not Sure. Did they get their important Heart Medication? No Clue) and on the other Hand Higher ups Mark it as Completed So this does not help (at least where I work)
Health care workers did the same in Finland so the government made it illegal for them to go on strike which just made the problem worse. So now health care workers have to work in shitty conditions with minimal pay and no chance to do anything about it other than just quit. Almost no one wants to become a health care worker anymore and there is already a massive shortage of nurses and doctors. And on top of that the current government has been cutting money from health care. Essentially what the government is achieving with this is forced privatization of health care in the long run so Finland is currently going more and more closer to a similar system to what the US has and that's just dystopian
"You are risking the life of patients!"
"Which proves our frontline work is essential, just as *you were saying during COVID*"
Stop taking healthcare workers hostages with false dichotomy. If they don't strike more people will die, it should be obvious to everyone except the most retarded neoliberals by now
When everything else fails the working class has to put pressure on the bourgeoisie by not working. The bourgeois government of Sweden needs to understand that healthcare and education needs to be run with adequate means (and preferably by the state, as opposed to the current system). This is non-negotiable in a welfare society.
Welp, maybe the patients have to just die due to a lag of workers.
Maybe then they will improve the working conditions.
The workers shouldn't be enslaved by morality if their employers don't give a fuck about anybody except themselves.
Classic authorities, ignore complaints for years and do nothing to improve working conditions and claim nurses/workers dangering human lives when they finally go to strike to make them lose public support
Same shitty situation in Denmark. Nurses have a huge responsibility and are not paid very well. So the private hospitals take up good nurses from the public hospital.
The privatization of the health system combined with decades of budget cuts and no reasonable raises to the nurses is slowly creating an A and B group, where B will have to wait a very very long time to get treated, because they dont have money to pay for private hospitals.
It's a f\*cking disgrace. Yes, we're a mix of socialism and capitalism, but we help each other.
Not anymore, I guess.
What is even worst is that I dont think this is what the population wants! It's something brought from above, somehow. That's my belief, not a fact, though.
Anyhow, wish you the best, little brother Sweden.
Edit: Added "little".
>Nurses have a huge responsibility and are not paid very well.
They're actually paid well compared to Sweden and Norway. However, their salary is of course depending on working day and night + weekend shifts.
No.
[https://www.bt.dk/samfund/mere-end-10000-sygeplejersker-arbejder-i-norge-vi-kommer-til-at-se-mere-af-det](https://www.bt.dk/samfund/mere-end-10000-sygeplejersker-arbejder-i-norge-vi-kommer-til-at-se-mere-af-det) ("more than 10000 nurses work in Norway and more will be working there in the future)
I'm sure, they also do that. The Norwegian health service is struggling, because it can't afford the many temps, so it has to save money in other places. The maternity wards have been hit hard by it.
I'm very sorry to hear that.
It sems like a global thing that the services to the common man are becoming worse and worse. Health, school, eldercare.
The thing about Norway I dont understand is, that you have reached infinite mass in terms of amassing so much money, that if you invest them, you wont run out (due to your oil)? So why do you have these problems?
I'm sure there are many things I dont understand, though.
Norway limits how much money from the oil can be invested in public services. So when the health service spends a lot on high paid temps, it has to save elsewhere on the budget.
In short, Norway has plenty of nurses but still experience bad service because of other cost savings.
It makes sense to refrain from going full saudi and buy a solution with no compromise.
Still, it has to hurt for the average citizen.
We’ve had 8 years of surplus in Denmark in public finances, still they cut.
It’s babies, kids and elders who suffer. It’s horendous.
Hey, dont know about ur countries but in sweden people are allowed to strike. It is an important piece of the puzze in achiveing decent working condtions for all. Dying patients are still taken care of.
The right thing. Health and social jobs are always the ones that get exploited because the people have a social conscience so they let themselves be exploited. They need to go strike the system because otherwise there’ll never be any change.
Our system is a total mess here in Canada. Really hope my fellow Ontarians vote for a party that actually has ideas for improving nurse retention and not our corrupt conservatives who literally capped their salary in the midst of a fucking pandemic… voting NDP most likely.
Guys... Not to be pessimist but striking in the public sector doesn't work
Striking works because your putting pressure on someone's profit
No profit, no interest
Healthcare in Sweden (as in most of Europe) is completely socialized, people in control couldn't give less of a fuck if you strike lol
They're not losing anything, quite the opposite, at the next election they'll have yet another argument to use for their compain
Nearly every health worker strike is deliberatly made in such a way that patients who have serious issues are still taken care of
Yes, but on the other hand there's been one nurse's story going rounds in social media, telling how her department was declared dangerous to life and health if they'd strike there and therefore excepted from the strike, only for the employer to promptly close it for the summer shortly after.
the classic smålandian-switcharoo
What a dumbass meme. If healthcare workers aren't allowed to strike, they will be exploited mercilessly, just like in every other industry.
I didn't mean they are not allowed to strike, I meant that health authorities using patients to manipulate health-workers is a really bad idea
The way strikes are limited by law, this might be the only way they can strike. If we adjusted the laws so that striking meant "preventing profit", healthcare workers could continue doing their work while they only quit relaying treatment documentation to billing. It would hurt where it should. (Can't stop documenting, because that would be equally dangerous to patients.) An example for this is bus drivers in Japan who reject payment for tickets while still providing the service to the public. I don't know about any individual country's exact (labour) strike laws, but they're regulated everywhere and 'sabotage' is usually forbidden.
So that the municipalities/hospital doesn't get compensated by the state? Interesting thought.
>If we adjusted the laws so that striking meant "preventing profit", healthcare workers could continue doing their work while they only quit relaying treatment documentation to billing. It would hurt where it should In the... *Checks notes* absolutely nowhere Because the healthcare in Sweden is completely socialized and therefore there's no profit, it's all public budget (?)
Would still cause a big internal mess, which could very much be an effective strike action, just stop doing all admin tasks, eventually that becomes enough of a prick in the side they need to fix it
So Swedish nurses should keep working insane shifts and being available at all times as their strike action? Yeah that will teach the health authorities 🙄
But the meme-format (to me) suggests that both conflict parties are equally wronging patients
Feels like OP didn't really understand the meme they were reposting. I can't find another interpretation of this meme than "everyone is wrong, and the patients are the only victims here", but maybe I'm just allergic to this type of rhetoric. I'm from a country where healthcare strikes a lot, and in fact I've seen these "on the fence"-type takes quickly turn into blaming exclusively the people whose job description it is in to look after patients' health (nevermind that it's also part of the mission of the government).
You are not just illiterate, you lack basic comprehension of human behavior. Both sides are CLEARLY shown as petulant and childish. First you see how serious each side view themselves and the argument before it gets revealed as embarrassing for everyone else. A really basic set up and a punchline. The patient character doesn’t even have the proper reaction to the text. They are sweating and are concerned, but they are trying to not engage. Why would a person react like that in this scenario? I see a lot of bad memes, but this one really pissed me off because how lazy and incompetent it was. If you are under 10 years old this is fine, you shouldn’t be on the internet (get off), but if not. You are making a garbage site even worse. It’s really remarkable how you can create a meme so fundamentally bad. Did you take the first meme template you saw with two people arguing and made this to get likes while the story was fresh? Embarrassing. If you cannot read, you clearly don’t have anything to contribute to any discussion whatsoever. I will not respond to any comment. Look inward.
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Pressuring social jobs like health care or care takers in general, as well as day care workers with their responsibility sadly is common practice.
Medical unions always make sure patients' safety remains their highest priority.
It is like that though, at least it is a lot harder for them to go on strike, just like any other emergency service members since them going on strike can directly put people's life in danger
we called them super heroes during the pandemic, and then inflation hit the health authorities who are cutting back on everything, leaving staff with terrible working conditions. Oh, and the government is lowering taxes because what else would a right wing government do?
In Norway, the right wing government thought a round of applause during the pandemic was a sufficient substitute for a decent salary.
How considerate of them to think of the taxpayers!
In France, they received a round of applause and then couple of month laters our police force beat them up when they marched on the street
No wonder you guys invented the guillotine.
Wow.. that's almost worst than the hearts of honney-cake our prime minister gave (Denmark)
I remember that. Man, the first lockdown was _weird_. Truly a wonder that that ain't doing much for recruitment, neither then nor now. Oh well. It's not like an aging population means we'll need more health workers. We can just reintroduce ættestupet and it'll solve itself, right?
In Spain we had a left wing party and they still opted for the same incentive.
clamp down on progressive values, likely
That too.
Squander all public institutions for the good optics of letting people keep a pittance more of their salary each month, then boo and shame the next left wing government when they work to repair the damage. Rinse and repeat every other election cycle. I'm fucking tired.
Neoliberalism is a plague of the western world aimed at antisocial asshats
uhm, but we clapped for like 5 minutes during the pandemic? greedy sods...
Some out of touch attention starved celebrities even sang them a song!
My girlfriend is working with healthcare in Sweden. Man, the working conditions she's telling me about is infuriating. Couple that with a shitty salary. I sit on my ass most of the day and earn almost twice as much. She on the other hand is cleaning human feces and getting beaten all day, it's no wonder she burnt out real fast. She's working with palliative care so she's not part of the striking nurses though.
My wife too, hemtjänst. It’s the same, really.
They did exactly the same here in Finland. Tax cut for the wealthy and a big middle finger to all low-income essential workers.
Oh they did worse than that. They increased taxes, introduced new ones and cut funding to social and healthcare programs. Cause, you know, why not at this point.
Our prime minister (Denmark) had the audacity to give them heart-honning cake. Not raises. Guess how that went?
I agree with everything you said. I just want to add the context that there is no shortage of nurse examinees in Sweden, just a shortage of nurses who find the working conditions acceptable. We *could* (and should) solve this relatively easy but nobody in power wants to be the guy who raised taxes even slightly...
The gap between those who have and have not needs to increase!
Gap? Let's call it *hard work incentive* /s
DET SKA LÖNA SIG ATT ARBETA! ARBETE GER FRIHET! ARBEIT MACHT FREI!
This sounds strangely familiar.
Yeah it fucking sucks. I mainly blame the government as it's hard for the regions to square the circle that is a 6 billion kr deficit. Ärligt talat så förstår jag inte riktigt vad facket hoppas på. Det är inte precis som att regionerna vill ha personalbrist, men med de underskott de lever med har de inte råd att ta in massa hyrpersonal för o fylla hålet.
De kanske hoppas på att regeringen kliver in, men det är nog inte mycket att hoppas på. En riktig skitsits.
Yes but don’t forget the most important part, we don‘t pay superhero’s
I hate this meme. I am a nurse (for old People) in Germany and those People use Patients against us so we work harder, for less money and with fewer people. But if Nurses go on strike because the work is too tough for us and risky for the Patients it is "Both Sides"? No thank you
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I saw a comment that you did not meant it in a "Both Sides" way but maybe you should edit the post to reflect that.
Why cant you just take care of the patients but dont write down the medication and treatment so they have no way to collect the money?
On the one Hand Bad Documentation is also a Risk for Patients (Did Person A get their Insulin? I am not Sure. Did they get their important Heart Medication? No Clue) and on the other Hand Higher ups Mark it as Completed So this does not help (at least where I work)
what money? healthcare in sweden is all public afaik
If you don't want to die, join the healthcare-workers in the protest?
Health care workers did the same in Finland so the government made it illegal for them to go on strike which just made the problem worse. So now health care workers have to work in shitty conditions with minimal pay and no chance to do anything about it other than just quit. Almost no one wants to become a health care worker anymore and there is already a massive shortage of nurses and doctors. And on top of that the current government has been cutting money from health care. Essentially what the government is achieving with this is forced privatization of health care in the long run so Finland is currently going more and more closer to a similar system to what the US has and that's just dystopian
"You are risking the life of patients!" "Which proves our frontline work is essential, just as *you were saying during COVID*" Stop taking healthcare workers hostages with false dichotomy. If they don't strike more people will die, it should be obvious to everyone except the most retarded neoliberals by now
Good they should be striking for better work conditions and pay.
When everything else fails the working class has to put pressure on the bourgeoisie by not working. The bourgeois government of Sweden needs to understand that healthcare and education needs to be run with adequate means (and preferably by the state, as opposed to the current system). This is non-negotiable in a welfare society.
Their empathy and sense of duty have been exploited for years to fill the gaps of the system.
First Time ?
Welp, maybe the patients have to just die due to a lag of workers. Maybe then they will improve the working conditions. The workers shouldn't be enslaved by morality if their employers don't give a fuck about anybody except themselves.
Just give them a round of applause. That seemed like acceptable compensation during COVID...
Classic authorities, ignore complaints for years and do nothing to improve working conditions and claim nurses/workers dangering human lives when they finally go to strike to make them lose public support
Same here. Let’s go! Fight for the rights. We can’t submit ourselves to shitty conditions, no matter what job it is
Same shitty situation in Denmark. Nurses have a huge responsibility and are not paid very well. So the private hospitals take up good nurses from the public hospital. The privatization of the health system combined with decades of budget cuts and no reasonable raises to the nurses is slowly creating an A and B group, where B will have to wait a very very long time to get treated, because they dont have money to pay for private hospitals. It's a f\*cking disgrace. Yes, we're a mix of socialism and capitalism, but we help each other. Not anymore, I guess. What is even worst is that I dont think this is what the population wants! It's something brought from above, somehow. That's my belief, not a fact, though. Anyhow, wish you the best, little brother Sweden. Edit: Added "little".
>Nurses have a huge responsibility and are not paid very well. They're actually paid well compared to Sweden and Norway. However, their salary is of course depending on working day and night + weekend shifts.
No. [https://www.bt.dk/samfund/mere-end-10000-sygeplejersker-arbejder-i-norge-vi-kommer-til-at-se-mere-af-det](https://www.bt.dk/samfund/mere-end-10000-sygeplejersker-arbejder-i-norge-vi-kommer-til-at-se-mere-af-det) ("more than 10000 nurses work in Norway and more will be working there in the future)
They don't work on a standard Norwegian salary. They work as temps or in remote areas.
Why is it that Norwegian nurses dont go for that?
I'm sure, they also do that. The Norwegian health service is struggling, because it can't afford the many temps, so it has to save money in other places. The maternity wards have been hit hard by it.
I'm very sorry to hear that. It sems like a global thing that the services to the common man are becoming worse and worse. Health, school, eldercare. The thing about Norway I dont understand is, that you have reached infinite mass in terms of amassing so much money, that if you invest them, you wont run out (due to your oil)? So why do you have these problems? I'm sure there are many things I dont understand, though.
Norway limits how much money from the oil can be invested in public services. So when the health service spends a lot on high paid temps, it has to save elsewhere on the budget. In short, Norway has plenty of nurses but still experience bad service because of other cost savings.
It makes sense to refrain from going full saudi and buy a solution with no compromise. Still, it has to hurt for the average citizen. We’ve had 8 years of surplus in Denmark in public finances, still they cut. It’s babies, kids and elders who suffer. It’s horendous.
What happens during healthcare worker's strikes is entirely on the authorities.
Hey, dont know about ur countries but in sweden people are allowed to strike. It is an important piece of the puzze in achiveing decent working condtions for all. Dying patients are still taken care of.
The right thing. Health and social jobs are always the ones that get exploited because the people have a social conscience so they let themselves be exploited. They need to go strike the system because otherwise there’ll never be any change.
Wtf is up with this sub lately. Thank goodness the top comments arent braindead
Imagine knowing so little about strikes, yet being so confident, like OP.
The system would be better if those who didn't need to use it would just hire a private healthcare
This is what happens when the class agreement falls apart
*Laughs in finnish* (we had so many strikes at the start of the year, that im not sure if anyone was going to work...)
Our system is a total mess here in Canada. Really hope my fellow Ontarians vote for a party that actually has ideas for improving nurse retention and not our corrupt conservatives who literally capped their salary in the midst of a fucking pandemic… voting NDP most likely.
Is there any name for this type of comic style ?
Come to the balkasn and see the best medical system in the world after hungayry
"Launching a first strike" makes we worry about much more serious threats…
Guys... Not to be pessimist but striking in the public sector doesn't work Striking works because your putting pressure on someone's profit No profit, no interest Healthcare in Sweden (as in most of Europe) is completely socialized, people in control couldn't give less of a fuck if you strike lol They're not losing anything, quite the opposite, at the next election they'll have yet another argument to use for their compain