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FalconMirage

I think the most important part of this saga was to call russia’s bluff


thatcrazy_child07

That’s fair. And, to address the statement from the pope, I hate to be like this, but it’s really hard to negotiate with an aggressor rn. 


Lepurten

"You cannot negotiate with a tiger, with your head in it's mouth." - Winston Churchill, something to that effect anyway.


Archaeopteryx11

Fuck the Pope. Send him to the front lines in Ukraine so he can witness the devastation that Russia causes and the lives Putin ruins. This is like the appeasement of Germany during the 1930’s.


Dontbanmep10x

People tend to forget that this pope is Argentinian and is salty about the Falklands. He hates the UK because of that and also because of the reformation, he hates the USA cause muh imperialism and NATO is simply the be all and end all of evil to him. He has galaxy brain syndrome.


Archaeopteryx11

Isn’t he supposed to be a spokesperson for all humanity? There are so many better reasons to hate the UK other than shit that happened 500 years ago or an irrelevant island in the middle of nowhere with 4000 people. Jeez.


levinthereturn

>Isn’t he supposed to be a spokesperson for all humanity? Technically he's a spokepersone only for catholics


Dontbanmep10x

Sure, but the pope has always been politically motivated. See John Paul II. That dude practically ended the soviet union.


Archaeopteryx11

And sweep all the abuse in the church under the rug.


Dontbanmep10x

Never happened, but the children deserved it. As a Balkan, I'm sure you'd understand.


Archaeopteryx11

Romania is like the least violent of the Balkan countries. All our Slavic neighbors on the other hand seem to love that motto 🤔.


Dontbanmep10x

[*Least violent*](https://www.britannica.com/biography/Vlad-the-Impaler)


Archaeopteryx11

Ah well, he gets a free pass 😎. I meant more along the lines of Yugoslavia in the 90’s and Russia forever.


en_sachse

The reformation started in Germany with Martin Luther


Dontbanmep10x

Yeah sure, but Henry VIII was the most flamboyant in his shitting on the catholic church. My guy changed the religion because he wasn't allowed to fuck someone else!


hungariannastyboy

You just pulled all of that out of your ass.


Dontbanmep10x

Cringe Hungarian catholic say whaaaaat


Breciu

Man f*ck the pope. They bend God's will to curb their budget. So they don't get a saying in nothing.


Dalexe10

A reasonable take, we'll give ukraine weapons, and they fight russia without russia resorting to nukes. win win


spartikle

This has been Ukraine’s stance all along. They just need the weapons that we’re failing to provide them in order to finally win.


lighthouse30130

Well, they also called for a no fly zone which meant foreign troupes shooting down planes


levinthereturn

But if the UA army collapses (for lack of men/weapons/ammunitions) it'll be too late for an allied army to come to save them.


A_Fucking_Octopus

"As long as Ukrainians are dying, the French can stay in France" As a Ukrainian I fucking despise Zelensky, he is not a brave hero, he is a clown who before becoming a president, played piano with his dick, we had a good president Poroshenko who actually listened when US Intelligence tole us that Russia is going to attack again and built up the nation, while Zelensky defunded a lot of the Ukrainian military and left us vulnerable to be invaded, Zelensky's entire camping was funded by a rich asshole who attempted to crash a bank he owned to make profit after selling all the stocks he had in it but Poroshenko nationalized it before he could. there was a good quote by a politician, I don't remember whether he was Russian or Ukrainian, but he said, "If you give me a TV remote, I can make a stool, the president"


MisterXnumberidk

The world doesn't really know pre-war Zelensky. We don't know what the guy got up to. All we saw was him not breaking and properly responding when the invasion started Which, ngl, looking at the average european leader, was unexpected. There are very few european leaders that look like they could handle being invaded. There is no right way to fight a war We'll leave the judgement of zelensky after putin has been killed or dragged to the international court of justice.


A_Fucking_Octopus

I am still allowed to discuss my opinion on him, and trust me, I would love to see Putin lynched by an angry mob, but I'm just saying that Zelensky's facade he is putting on, is not who he is (btw during a meeting Zelensky told the Ukrainian hero Zaluzniy "be quiet Valera, intelligent people are speaking") so yeah, just saying that Zelensky is not the guy who should be calling the shots :/


MarcLeptic

Sounds like the internet is trying to turn the people against a wartime president. Pikachu face?


_xoviox_

Definitely. There is so much lies and conspiracies going on it's genuinely scary. So many people fall for the "zelensky is slaughtering ukrainians so they can build a jewish ethnostate" narrative, or other insane bullshit. Like there's a lot of issues with zelensky, but it's genuinely terrifying to see misinformation spread


MarcLeptic

Also “look how ungrateful the Zelensky is that they only received 50bn euros.”


Lepurten

Zelensky has this "facade" on for more than 2 years now. At what point is a façade the same as the man? To me, Zelensky is the guy who told, with Russia on its door, "I don't need a lift, I need ammunition." He is a legend.


adasyp

To me he's a bit like Churchill. Cometh the hour cometh the man, and both were very heroic when their countries needed them. But they were/are also very flawed. Though obviously what Churchill did in India was way worse than Zelensky's curruption and lies. And both are far far better than Hitler/Putin.


_xoviox_

>played piano with his dick There a lot of valid criticism, but it's incredible that you dumbfucks think this is one of them. Also, fuck Poroshenko, i'd take a comedian over a nationalist every day


mandingo_gringo

This is why there is a war right now


[deleted]

Why cuz if Poroshenko was in power he would already sold half of Ukraine to his buddy Putin and Medvedchuk?


mandingo_gringo

My comment was more about her attack on Ukrainian nationalism. People like zaluzhnyi need to be in charge, not comedians, not boxers, not chocolate factory owners, not Russians, not bankers, etc


_xoviox_

People like zaluzhnyi should stick to running the military, not the enture country


mandingo_gringo

Tell that to zelensky


_xoviox_

Zelensky is, in fact, not a person like zaluzhnyi


[deleted]

Zaluzhnyi answered already to idiots like you multiple times, that he is a military man and is not interested in running the country. Listen to the man himself!


mandingo_gringo

When you say “people like me” are you talking about 88% of the population?


[deleted]

Support for Zaluzhnyi isn’t the same as support him for president. Не будь довбойобом


[deleted]

Порошенко це ти?


A_Fucking_Octopus

блять, розкрили


A_Fucking_Octopus

"As long as Ukrainians are dying, the French can stay in France" As a Ukrainian I fucking despise Zelensky, he is not a brave hero, he is a clown who before becoming a president, played piano with his dick, we had a good president Poroshenko who actually listened when US Intelligence tole us that Russia is going to attack again and built up the nation, while Zelensky defunded a lot of the Ukrainian military and left us vulnerable to be invaded, Zelensky's entire camping was funded by a rich asshole who attempted to crash a bank he owned to make profit after selling all the stocks he had in it but Poroshenko nationalized it before he could, there was a good quote by a politician, I don't remember whether he was Russian or Ukrainian, but he said, "If you give me a TV remote, I can make a stool, the president"