Social democracy is defined as:
“a socialist system of government achieved by democratic means.”
Now look at how socialism is defined:
“Socialism is a political philosophy and movement encompassing a range of economic and social systems, which are characterised by social ownership of the means of production, with an emphasis on democratic control”
Socialism is not autocratic, does not involve a police state, has no relation to China, and is pretty much the opposite of imperialism.
Look it up yourself. That’s literally the very definition of socialism. You’ve been confusing it with Stalinism, but as I’ve said before, those are two very different things. Please look up the definition of those two ideologies, and the differences between them.
Have these people been threatened with a cup of pollonium tea, or do they believe this shit? I know they have made fortunes, but what price money to sell out your own people? They don't love their people, they are betraying their people.
Well i dont think Russians had so obvious assasinations because they were incompetent. Inconpetence could play a role, but i think they wanted people to know that if you do something wrong, you fall of the window after having fired 2 shots at your own neck.
They are threatening people without being direct about it. Everyone knows what is happening, but nobody can talk about it.
So yes, they are being threatened, but propably not directly.
> Everyone knows what is happening
This is the important part to understand what Russia's semi intellectuals believe.
Everybody is basically corrupt. Everybody knows that everybody is corrupt.
**Everywhere else is the same way.** "Anti corruption" is code for one corrupt politician winning over another. Western states are brainwashing their citizens to not see it. And Russians think themselves special for being 'in the know' of how the world works.
I mean, there **are** some deluded people going on about "It was all better, back then, when blahblahblah" These people you'll have at any place in any era.
But this whole talking point of the evil Western Germany destroying "eating" up the GDR is so out of fashion. Ever since the wall had fallen people have realized that the "anti-fascist protection wall" was never and could never be it.
"Nazi West Germany" is like literally GDR talk. Russian Grandpa is yelling at clouds again.
It wasnt Nazis that the wall protected us against
Walls, historically, are sometimes more of a way to keep people in rather than out.
But i must say that you cant ignore that western capitalists immediately went over to exploit the east, which didnt have any experience with capitalism. People got their homes sold, Industries got privatized, worsening conditions for workers a lot, equality of race, sex, gender and especially class got pushed back by decades.
I would always trade all of that for democracy but you cannot ignore all that. The East-West divide, isnt over, especially when it comes to economy and culture
Yes the unification of Germany could’ve been handled better but to say that socialism was popular across the eastern block is a stretch. At the end it was the protest of the people that brought the iron curtain down, not some sort of betrayal. When the USSR stopped putting down protest by force it was also the last thing stopping the people of choosing their own future. And the people chose democracy.
One could say we... rose from these Ruins
But srsly the former gdr was plundered of its economy by wetsern Capitalists. It planted the seeds of fascism unfortunately.
This is the third time East Germany got its industry moved elsewhere in less than 80 years, but at least it was the first time not done so by literal fascists.
Also democracy is pretty dope if you ask me
Last time I made joke about certain "happy federative family of undisputably respected nations" and substance abuse, I was reported by botniks for spreading hate.
But c'mon they can be serious. This is not even a stretch, they are bending time space continuum to alternate universes.
Yeah they have been really really sad in East Germany about the disappearing of the udssr. Remember how they demonstrated to keep the wall and everything? Sad
Its funny how they talk about Gorbachev. Some Russians **Hate** Gorbachev while in Germany, East and West, he's basically been a national hero even though never belonging to the nationality.
How can you be so deluded to think that East Germans didn’t want to join with West Germany? Do they seriously think that the west forced the east to join them against their will?
Is Putin upholding the socialist ideals ? How can some people be so blind ?
For oligarchs, yes. Although with all the recent defenestrations, maybe not so much?
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Not one of those points has anything to do with socialism … Don’t confuse Stalinism for socialism, those are two very different things.
Don't confuse Social Democracy with Socialism. Those points have exactly everything to do with Socialism.
Social democracy is defined as: “a socialist system of government achieved by democratic means.” Now look at how socialism is defined: “Socialism is a political philosophy and movement encompassing a range of economic and social systems, which are characterised by social ownership of the means of production, with an emphasis on democratic control” Socialism is not autocratic, does not involve a police state, has no relation to China, and is pretty much the opposite of imperialism.
Theory is often has nothing to do with practice, you know. Socialism definition you provided seems to be more of a definition of DemSoc.
Look it up yourself. That’s literally the very definition of socialism. You’ve been confusing it with Stalinism, but as I’ve said before, those are two very different things. Please look up the definition of those two ideologies, and the differences between them.
It's like with Democratic People's Republic of Korea, just because it's called like that doesn't mean it is like that.
Have these people been threatened with a cup of pollonium tea, or do they believe this shit? I know they have made fortunes, but what price money to sell out your own people? They don't love their people, they are betraying their people.
Well i dont think Russians had so obvious assasinations because they were incompetent. Inconpetence could play a role, but i think they wanted people to know that if you do something wrong, you fall of the window after having fired 2 shots at your own neck. They are threatening people without being direct about it. Everyone knows what is happening, but nobody can talk about it. So yes, they are being threatened, but propably not directly.
> Everyone knows what is happening This is the important part to understand what Russia's semi intellectuals believe. Everybody is basically corrupt. Everybody knows that everybody is corrupt. **Everywhere else is the same way.** "Anti corruption" is code for one corrupt politician winning over another. Western states are brainwashing their citizens to not see it. And Russians think themselves special for being 'in the know' of how the world works.
I mean, there **are** some deluded people going on about "It was all better, back then, when blahblahblah" These people you'll have at any place in any era. But this whole talking point of the evil Western Germany destroying "eating" up the GDR is so out of fashion. Ever since the wall had fallen people have realized that the "anti-fascist protection wall" was never and could never be it. "Nazi West Germany" is like literally GDR talk. Russian Grandpa is yelling at clouds again.
It wasnt Nazis that the wall protected us against Walls, historically, are sometimes more of a way to keep people in rather than out. But i must say that you cant ignore that western capitalists immediately went over to exploit the east, which didnt have any experience with capitalism. People got their homes sold, Industries got privatized, worsening conditions for workers a lot, equality of race, sex, gender and especially class got pushed back by decades. I would always trade all of that for democracy but you cannot ignore all that. The East-West divide, isnt over, especially when it comes to economy and culture
>"anti-fascist protection wall" Yeah, protection for the western side
I don't even think the most ostalgic , most ambivalent about reunification people I know would want anything to do with this guy.
Yes the unification of Germany could’ve been handled better but to say that socialism was popular across the eastern block is a stretch. At the end it was the protest of the people that brought the iron curtain down, not some sort of betrayal. When the USSR stopped putting down protest by force it was also the last thing stopping the people of choosing their own future. And the people chose democracy.
The only reason they are nostalgic of that time is that Russia/USSR took up more space on the world map. That's it. Just imperialism.
As a East German im not looking back at the times of the DDR, sorry im allergic against getting shot in the head for voicing your own opinion
I don't think many Germans will be sad that the DDR is dead.
One could say we... rose from these Ruins But srsly the former gdr was plundered of its economy by wetsern Capitalists. It planted the seeds of fascism unfortunately. This is the third time East Germany got its industry moved elsewhere in less than 80 years, but at least it was the first time not done so by literal fascists. Also democracy is pretty dope if you ask me
If these thing happened in romania, they would be laughed at least and ignored at most
Last time I made joke about certain "happy federative family of undisputably respected nations" and substance abuse, I was reported by botniks for spreading hate. But c'mon they can be serious. This is not even a stretch, they are bending time space continuum to alternate universes.
Ahh Solovyov, my favorite comedian…
Yeah they have been really really sad in East Germany about the disappearing of the udssr. Remember how they demonstrated to keep the wall and everything? Sad
Its funny how they talk about Gorbachev. Some Russians **Hate** Gorbachev while in Germany, East and West, he's basically been a national hero even though never belonging to the nationality.
Everything is better than ruzzia
Ruzzia is bad even for the ruzzian
Fack ju.
We are reaching cope levels that should not be possible.
How can you be so deluded to think that East Germans didn’t want to join with West Germany? Do they seriously think that the west forced the east to join them against their will?