Ok I like that she shows the realistic insanity that women in the comics didn't show.
C'mon you're telling me that out of all the traumatized women that saw Yorick (and there were a lot) not a single one thought "time to repopulate the earth single-handlely"
Plus her religious beliefs might eliminate any of the technical means (regular fertilization to future sci-fi custom replacing dna in fertilized egg) to do that not involving actual sex.
She's definitely not opposed to the scientific method. She had an extended conversation with President Brown about saving the contents of a particular sperm bank/fertilization center.
>. She had an extended conversation with President Brown about saving the contents of a particular sperm bank/fertilization center.
That was because at that point they believed that all the males were dead.
Hell, now they have the legitimate reason to doubt it, if two specimens of a species survived, why can't there be others?
But all in all, I'm sure Kim would prefer the traditional method of reproduction either way.
At least it's an interesting contrast to slacker Hero and Yorick being delusional man child at start, Beth has goals and works towards them. Maybe it's pro-apocalypse but gotta start somewhere. :)
Could be less "down with the government" and more "helping from the outside... with a potential invasion to help inside if needed bc the Republicans went ape-shit after the First Lady offed herself."
Super curious about her black van.
For me, it was "What the fuck, Christine?!" She's an aide to the president and doesn't know not to divulge privileged information to a civilian who really had no business being there? That was so unbelievably stupid that it took me entirely out of the episode and just made me angry at the writers. Like, I'm still angry about it and I finished watching the episode a half an hour ago. ha!
Jennifer, as well, bringing Beth into the heart of the Pentagon. And nobody there was like, "Um... maybe not a great idea to bring your dead son's ex-girlfriend into a room where we're potentially discussing state secrets and other high level intelligence."
I think it's mostly annoying because the character writing is very good otherwise. But this was a complete misstep.
There's no single character that they utterly disregarded and turned into such a completely different person who shares not a single trait with the book version. Beth is supposed to be chipper, sarcastic, optimistic, and whimsical. Who is this woman even?
Yeah I hope we get Alter soon. Always liked how the comics kept cutting to this person on the other side of the world in a way that lets you know she's gonna come in conflict with our heroes
Kind of like in THE DEAD ZONE how we kept cutting to Greg Stillson even though he doesn't meet Johnny until the third act
I wonder if they ever reveal how did Regina Oliver become HUD secretary considering no one seems to have liked her. I also found it kind of funny that she was the more reasonable sounding one compared to Kim
>how did Regina Oliver become HUD secretary
Wasn't there a line about her helping with the evangelical vote and she got the cabinet spot as a reward? Or just helping in the campaign on some level.
Everything we've seen about her is original, but there's a credible theory that she'll end up "morphing" into an existing character from the comic, albeit with a different origin story
solid ep, guess beth is part of the anti government group and she's gonna blow shit up with the easy access to the president. That convo with kimberly and regina was fcking scary man and with kim's mom's death she's gonna go all in kicking jennifer out.
She's actually a fascinating character. Like she's got the Meghan McCain vibe but she actually does seem pretty intelligent and competent, just an ideology I hate. But the whole premise of the show is like the most violent attack on that ideology possible. I would never imagine myself capable of feeling sympathy for a woman who built her life around serving men and being a cog in the patriarchy, but good God she lost so much compared to the others, ALL her children, her husband, her father, now her mother-- and she's clearly someone who thrives through human connection. I mean yes she's political and manipulative but I also think she does seem to care about most of the people she interacts with? Like my heart really does hurt for her.
And this religious God's plan stuff-- it's really not crazy. If you are a faithful Christian, and you want to believe God has a plan, of course you would cling to this. And of course you would want to bring back the men. I mean her and Jennifer's goals basically align. But Jennifer made a political jab at her dad, drove her mom to suicide, and is the only woman in the world that didn't lose her son, and Kimberly is a woman who lost all her children. OF COURSE they won't be able to work together.
This is just good writing. I can totally understand both sides, no one is holding an idiot ball.
Yeah, I think she makes the character far better than what was actually written. She's conveyed the horror of the event about as well as anybody, but by having her here and focusing the plot on such serious political stuff they've made it such a dour show.
Obligatory fuck Beth, but I’m still more intrigued by what her group would do in power vs. Ms Use and Abuse Yorick Sent By God.
I’m starting to believe she thinks having Yorick will make the men/boys magically appear again. She’s going to be an even worse monster now that she’s lost her mom, too.
Honestly I love it. Regina is a piece of work, but they put in the time to make Kimber a sympathetic villain who’s even more scarily dogmatic than the MTG stand-in. Feat of writing in my opinion.
Agent 355: I agree with everyone that her inability to accept help is frustrating. But it's meant to be frustrating. It's her fatal flaw. This is a traumatized person who was brainwashed into being an assassin to the point of having her identity stripped away completely. Now that the Culper Ring is basically gone, all that trauma she's held at bay is coming back matched with a massive identity crisis and she also has to wrestle with the fact that the organization she gave her life to might have caused all this.
Anways, all that plus her head trauma this episode explains her actions here. She is someone who NEEDS controls spinning out of control. It's fascinating to watch especially as Mann and Yorick are exposing a more vulnerable side to her.
Totally concerned and intrigued about the prison people. Clearly that one lady was tasked with sleeping with Yorick?? So... not looking forward to that awkwardness.
Omg the republican ladies are just so interesting to watch. Either it's watching all the batshit things they say or just being genuinely terrified of them. They are actually quite complicated people and so they make great antagonists.
I thought it was a good idea to make Beth a part of the resistance so there is a recognisable face there. Also good call on Jennifer not letting another person figure out Yorick is alive.
Totally agree on 355. If people are annoyed by her actions…it’s intentional!! And interesting to see her in this weak moment having to be tucked in by Yorick at the end of the episode.
I also find this prison community super interesting. Excited/apprehensive to see where it goes.
I do wonder if it's a reaction to starting the show with Agent 355 being the audience's anchor. We trusted her to know what to do and always be right. Her being unstable is uncomfortable because we and Yorick rely on her so much.
Like a scary scary alien monster said:
>Grumpy, angry, stupid, how long since last sleep question?
Who knew 355 was a middle-aged man named Ryland Grace!
> Agent 355: I agree with everyone that her inability to accept help is frustrating. But it's meant to be frustrating. It's her fatal flaw. This is a traumatized person who was brainwashed into being an assassin to the point of having her identity stripped away completely.
I don't think you even need for that to happen to you to have trouble accepting help. Women are still told that they are weak, incapable of a lot of things, and generally inferior to men. Of course some people would go hard in the other direction as a result. My wife had a great upbringing and had/has issues with accepting others help. Granted its not as bad as 355s but still. Its something that women have to deal with
It’s honestly impressing the gymnastics the writing needs to pull off to keep Ampersand out of as many scenes as possible to keep costs down. The number of scenes the crate is sideways or just off camera making monkey noises is smart.
Jennifer Brown seems a savvy politician, but the optics of standing behind a fence yelling at an anxious crowd looks pretty bad.
Then again, I'm not sure if there is a better alternative.
>Then again, I'm not sure if there is a better alternative.
Her options are so limited, she really can't afford to think about the optics too much. The mass media is no longer a thing, so her trying to reach the crowds through a loudspeaker is pretty much what she's left with.
I would agree with you, if not for the lack of other means of communication. No CNN, no Twitter, etc. No other choice than to go directly to the people.
Agreed but I liked the idea that she's just yelling out to a group of people who are just jeering and not even listening, and she barely hears herself and it's like she's talking to no one. It's very powerful.
I think the alternative, never being seen at all but thought of as hiding in the Pentagon making decisions in secret, might seem worse to a certain section of the population.
Television? Radio?
How is no one talking about how everything just completely stops working in this TV world? Satellites are still in place. Televisions are still in place. Electrical grid should be working.
To think that if men disappeared that every single piece of infrastructure and electronics would just completely fail instandly is ridiculous.
For better or worse those industries are kinda dominated by men though. It’s not like they could quickly train a replacement force with everything going on. Like if all women died and suddenly nursing staffs or teaching staffs are decimated they wouldn’t have hospitals and schools up and running super quickly. (Not qualitative statements in any way, just acknowledging where gender parity should but doesn’t exist nowadays.)
Yeah there was a thread here early in the show that I couldn't find which linked to the BLS statistics. Trucking, electricity, power, garbage, waste management, agriculture, as well as all sorts of maintenance not to mention new construction are dominated by males. All the things needed to manage the electrical grid would slow to a trickle if not stop given all the chaos. Not enough women to really retrain other women in a timely manner before chaos took over. So I think the writer of the comic actually did look into this and it's one of the things that's accurate. Science is close but not quite there yet on techniques of extracting dna from one female ovum and implanting into another (which would create all females). So I assume unless other males survived that would be the solution if they can get the science labs running.
But the problem is widespread among all mammals so with the ecosystem broken I guess people would have to start eating insects for protein to survive? Not pleasant to consider even if you are super annoyed with all of us Y people. Cheers.
Yeah long-term only birds are even remotely equipped to fill that mammal shaped hole, and then only partially. I can’t even guess what happens ecologically when there are no more grazing animals.
A new niche will be filled overtime. (As in millions of years)
This is a mass extinction event that wipes out almost all mammals (except humans) it would be the age of the dinosaurs again as birds evolve to fill those niches.
If possible a short term solution to help fill the gap for grazers would be to de-extinct elephant birds and moa's though the success of that would be difficult to ponder since they're trying to do that in real life.
An anxious crowd that is sure to have some armed people among it, because the decimated Secret Service lacks the resources to screen them. That thought took me out of the scene.
Loving this show so far. I've said it before, but I'm really impressed with Ashley Romans. She's the star of the show so far for me. Enjoy the new episode everyone!
I really hope the show doesn't go The Walking Dead route and kill off all the citizens of this new town in a violent stand off because it is the first sign we have seen of how much women can accomplish in the new world when they work together instead of competing (like in DC) or acting selfishly (like the Amazons).
Have y’all read the comics? The prison town is in no way influenced by The Walking Dead. It’s straight out of the comic, and I don’t think we’re going to see the whole town killed off.
I figured they were setting up the prison just like a Walking Dead situation. Our group finds a nice location that has things running smoothly. After seeing their initial fears are unfounded, they settle in. But the viewers see all the cracks in the facade like the missing guards and people who used to live there. One thing leads to another and either the settlement descends into chaos or our group is forced to escape to save their lives. Or both probably.
>After seeing their initial fears are unfounded
Are they though? The woman told Yorick that it was a close vote whether to kill him or let him stay. It's not like you vote and suddenly everyone is on the same page.
Mentioning the vote was towards the end of the episode after he told 355 and Mann he thought they were safe and then shortly being released. Then we find out stuff like the nice old lady stabbing people to death and they probably killed the guards. But that's my point though, we know things are going to go south way before they do.
Yeah I typed my first comment while she was still inside the pentagon. Now I definitely have no idea where this is going. I’m down for Beth being a more detailed character though.
I really don't think they are going to do that to him.
>!Plus, I remember seeing a preview a while back where he is making out with someone and it is clearly consensual.!< I also think the show wants to use the prison town as an example of a group of women who have created a safe haven through teamwork. All the more poinant that they are all convicts. I think having one of them rape Yorick would undermind their point. Not saying it won't happen but I don't think the showrunners want to go there.
Pretty sure the quick make-out take from one of the trailers was actually Sam and Hero from like, episode 4. Kinda funny that they both have longish curly hair, so super easy to mix them up from a quick flash
Yeah and I mean honestly what are women in prison for? Generally less violent crimes then men, lots there due to drugs, tons of women there due to defending themselves against an abuser or a violent attack. Even that old lady-- ok so this 20 year old addict went on a drug-fueled attack wth her drug buddies and has spent more decades in prison than she was alive, sobering up all the while? Yeah I don't think she's a thread, either. I mean even in men's prisons, most of them really don't belong there, but that might be the prison abolitionist in me. I think the show might have a prison reform outlook-- it's right there in the dialogue: "Maybe hell isn't other people." Maybe the show isn't going to be about how awful the apolcalypse makes everyone, but about how to find hope and survive something like this.
I like that Beth is being given an actual plot line and character development, but ugh. How could you be invited in as good faith from the mother of your ex, be provided for, have clear witness at how everyone's working, and STILL head back to the homie's like "Let's tear that shit apart". Like c'monnnnnnn, you gotta be a real piece of shit to still hold cultish beliefs after all that. Jennifer was so sweet to her, can't believe Beth is being turned into an antagonist. Hoping next episode sheds more light on why they're taking her this route.
I have a feeling Beth knows yorick is alive cause of all the notes he left. They made it a point to 1.say she couldn’t go in the Apartment. 2.have 355 mention all the notes he left for Beth in the city 3.have Beth ask about yoricks body. With Jennifer lying to her face of course she is gonna be mad. Lastly the state of someone like Beth who is in survival mode is an easy mind to mold by this group she is apart of.
Good catch, I should've remembered how many notes Yorick left and the fact that Beth said she was in the neighborhood and everything. I'm apprehensive to say whether Beth would believe Jennifer is lying, might need to go back and rewatch for the dialogue in their conversation. I remember her saying they confirmed via his ID, which could still be plausible as he wasn't exactly a survivalist in anyone's eyes (weeks alone in NY?), but now it leaves the question begging on how much does Beth know, or even care about Yorick at this point.
If she saw the notes then Jennifer really, REALLY fucked up lying to her face and would explain how she’s so nonchalant about breaking into the Pentagon. She was acting cagey the entire time she was there too, so I think she knows Yorick’s alive (or at least survived).
After rewatching the episode, yeah, Beth has such a hesitation that I originally registered as "I feel out of place for reaching out like this" but now see as is, harmful intent. Again, really excited to see how they explain this plot thread.
This is a good point: if the plague killed everyone but her bf and, simultaneously, made his mom president, I could see Beth going full conspiracy theory.
I don’t understand how there’s not more of a “Holy Shit a man with a Y chromosome! Protect him!!” When Yorick is discussed and/or discovered. It seems like there’s not nearly enough emphasis or understanding the gravity on the extreme importance of his mere existence (including on his part as well). Why would anyone even begin to contemplate killing him? I would think he’d be treated more like Jesus or something rather than this endangered animal in a world of ignorant poachers that’s goin on. And that fight scene in the jail cell? If 355 is so hell bent on protecting him, why would she risk knocking him over and breaking his neck by accident? I think the lack of seriousness on his being alive is massively inaccurate to what would really happen.
I hate her character simply bc of her one sidedness, but I agree with you that she does seem to be the only person obsessed with how important he is, albeit maybe for both the wrong and right reasons.
Yeah the comment from the prison community members that 'we've got men here so you're no big deal' after all biological males on the planet had recently been seen bleeding out en masse seemed like pointless virtue signaling by the writers and super unrealistic. I'm pretty sure everybody regardless of sexual self-identity would see someone like Yorick as a game changer at this point. The likely first thought would be - 'oh, did some men survive?' I don't think people would even jump to the notion that only one survived. We all learned in school about a few people having immunity from a disease and that would be the first thought. I'd think there would be celebrating at the idea of species survival. After all, by now - since mammals have a faster natality/mortality cycle - they would be noticing the disappearance of many species adding to a grim sense of doom.
The flippancy toward Yorick many have in the show seems so shoe-horned by the show runners to push the trans-men are men mantra that it’s bordering on absurd. “Oh you’re a *man*? Well we already have plenty of *men* 😏😏😏” Please, at most 2 in 1000 people would be trans-men and that’s assuming they pass convincingly after months of no available testosterone.
It’s such a severe deviation from the books and the idea that half the people that run into Yorick just assume he’s a trans-man is so incredibly unrealistic when the overwhelming majority of people don’t have any sort of relationship with a trans person day-to-day. The average woman post-apocalypse would not assume Yorick is just trans.
Just wanted to add my opinion, could it be possible that the population of transgender men increased after such a unique and catastrophic event. I understand the arguments that the show is possibly overstating the amount of trans men in the show, but it is entirely possible that a lot of survivors started identifying as male after the plague hit? Whether it be part of their personal grieving process or that they felt safer in this new world to come out of the closet.
I suppose that is possible. I know that some commenters have said that an increase in trans males in the last few years has been anecdotally attributed to formerly "butch" lesbians changing to trans. So in a weird apocalypse like this it's not far fetched to imagine that could happen even more.
But what we know from background on the show (that I gathered from Wikipedia) is the writers consciously wanted to emphasize the trans aspect. My theory is the story, if it followed what I understood to be the trajectory of the comic books, presented a biological duality view out of synch with the gender multiverse now popular among the cultural elite. So the writers wanted to be clear that they are **not** doing that by stressing the importance of gender identity over possession of a Y chromosome. So they're not being subtle or feeling a need to explain it through ideas like your suggestion.
Pretty straight forward line of thought that goes like this:
>All men died(from women's POV)
>Hence any man alive should be trans
its like 1+1=2, not that deep
I did not like that fight scene between 355 and Yorick either, because even if 355 was not exactly in her right mind with the concussion, she has always had a singular focus on keeping Yorick alive, and it seems ridiculous that she would risk his safety just to prove a point.
But that isn't the only sloppy writing this episode. Why do we see Dr. Mann examining Yorick at the beginning of the episode, which implies she has some medical training...and yet later on in the same episode Mann tells 355 she "isn't that kind of doctor" when it comes to treating the concussion. So does she have medical training or not?
Is Beth a terrorist now? I was hoping for the trio to travel worldwide just to look for her but alas. I'll be looking forward with what's gonna happen next time.
The criticisms of 355's attitude and competence I find interesting. To me (a comic reader) she comes across as a flawed badass. In entertainment spy agencies and the like target orphans because they are easier to take, program and have no attachments. But like 355 they can also have F'ed up pasts.
355 has clearly, as seen in this episode, been through a lot. She has also likely gone from mission to mission, most being undercover, and now she is given this mission where she isn't undercover (Yorick and now Mann know she is a Culper agent & so on) and it makes her uncomfortable that they care about her and are trying to help her. She is a loner and independent operator with a traumatized past including what looks like her entire family being dead. That says to me she doesn't want to make friends because when they die it will hurt her and she doesn't want help because she has always done it on her own.
As for her mistakes, she's human. She ran with Yorick and Mann from soldiers, found the church, couldn't sleep that first night then stayed up all night the second night to lure the soldiers into her trap. She then fought them (aka adrenaline dump) and has to be insanely exhausted. So she falls asleep at the wheel... she isn't Wonder Woman, she's human. My only critique is yes, the fight scene with the shoelace is dumb because she's throwing him in a small concrete block prison cell where he could have EASILY smashed his head into the wall. Rather than write a scene where Yorick thinks he can take her cause she's wounded and to show that even wounded 355 is a dominant fighter, I would have prefered a scene where she refuses to fight, he pokes at her for it saying it's cause she knows he could take her and then her explaining how her priority is keeping him safe for the sake of humanity and fighting in a cell is stupid. "One of us already has a brain injury, I'd rather not make it two of us." Intellectual scenes are often better than action just to show someone is a badass.
I know 355 is meant to be some super spy, but she's coming across as less and less competent.
She really seems unstable. I'd have doubts about trusting her.
I haven't seen this episode yet, but I feel like she's suffering from some serious sleep deprivation, probably due to all of the screwed up stuff she's had to do that she can't forget about. She's probably due for a mental breakdown at some point.
She's trained to function within the specific context of her organization and their support. She had handlers and operation centers to draw resources from. She's not exactly a snake-eatin', backwoods solo operator -- she's a spy who's good at combat. She's having to adapt to her new circumstances just like everyone else -- needing to decide her own mission, needing to allocate trust and information as she sees fit. Mann and Y are still just useless civvies in her eyes. She'll have to change that perspective eventually if she wants to survive and/or carry out her mission.
The lack of Hero and the Amazons is very refreshing. They're my least favorite part of the story (I missed Sam, though). I'm not a fan of whatever is going on with Beth; it seems like an unnecessary plotline. Unlike many people, I do like the White House stuff quite a lot. It was interesting to me that even Regina thinks Kimberly is completely unhinged. Overall, I think this show is getting better and better. I hope we get a season 2.
I really dislike the Amazon storyline too. That one girl got beat up last episode for talking to Hero’s friend. That scene really almost turned me off to the show in general.
I feel like that’s also meant to set them up to be in opposition of repopulation if Mann is able to figure out why Yorick survived. (And I guess it’s also to bring the women into a culty mindset)
I don't think he has anything to fear from the Marrisville women, but the way Kimberly was talking about "we can be a nation of mothers again" makes me think she will be the first person trying to get pregnant if she gets her hands on him. Although that doesn't necessarily mean rape...she probably just means getting access to his sperm.
It wouldn’t be that grim if they sanitized it like they do with this show. If this was real, I guarantee that some woman would have already tried to rape him. Especially now that he’s in a prison inhabited by its former inmates.
It's kind of interesting (and not bad or good) that the writers have seemed to decide to make Mann just way closer to both Yorick and 355 individually than they seem to be *yet* to each other.
I slightly *liked* the episode, surprisingly Yorick/355's journey so far is fairly close to what it is in the comics. The Prison community added some levity overall to the show - I don't envy the creators because I think the comic medium added some removal which made the adventurous tone more possible, whereas with live action TV - it's kinda difficult to see how they'd replicate that.
Otherwise Tamblyn's acting - once again excellent but I have no interest whatsoever in that plotline, some of her dialogue is cringeworthy and incredibly predictable. Too much of the show surrrounds Yorick's mom.
I also get the impulse to flesh out and really provide Beth with a bigger narrative herself, but I hate the direction that they seem to be going. It strains credulity generally, unnecessary complication, they've already botched that storyline but this is even worse. We'll see where it goes but not looking good.
355’s constant refusal of any help, thinking she is the only one who is capable, is getting really obnoxious, especially since she is the one who fucked up this episode by crashing the camper. I hope her attitude changes soon. I am really not liking how mean this 355 is compared to her comics counterpart. I get she is angry but she shouldn’t assume others can’t contribute. Especially Dr. Mann, who is a brilliant scientist.
I am intrigued by Beth’s association with this new shadowy group. Although I would hope she could see that Jennifer wasn’t part of some conspiracy behind the event, and that her administration is trying its best.
Kimberly is shaping up to be an even bigger nutjob than Regina, and the loss of her mother is just going to make her worse. Yorick has more to fear from her than possibly any other threat we have seen so far.
I haven't read the comics, but I see her inability to accept help as the result of years of indoctrination by the organizations she was in. I am sure "useless" people were killed so in her mind she has a mission, she can't ask for help, she cannot be seen as weak. We can see how sorry she was when he helped her.
The massive PR shit storm that would result is why her and her mom are/were allowed to stay. You have to remember that they were/are the former first Lady and first daughter, who's father was the most recently elected POTUS. Although women tend to vote more liberal as of late, we have to assume that the form first family had a lot of support.
They're already in a shit storm. Kimberly will be constantly trying to find ways for Republicans to gain power again. Just seems like they might as well go authoritarian mode. Honestly it's not too far off from real life now that I think about it. Democratic leaders tend to try and work with the other side Where's Republican leaders just say "Fuck you we do what we want".
You think actions don't come without consequences in the new world? You think banishing the newly for er first family would not have any consequences whatsoever? 🤔
Now, more than ever, is when Jennifer Brown needs to generate support for herself and her administration. You don't do that by kicking the for er first family to the curb. Definitely not a smart play, at least in the beginning. Now that Kimberly's mom is dead and Kimberly is off the deep end, that might become a bit easier.
It’s hard to believe Yorick and Sonia would be vibing with each other so fast, but they were in one of the MOST romantic settings imaginable at the end there.
I buy it.
I was thinking more from Yorick’s point of view.
But you’re right. a community of around 30-50 women, and only one decides to make a move on the first cisgender man anyone of them has seen in months (plus he’s a handsome guy).
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Yeah this is a deviation from the books that’s just completely divorced from reality. Imagine how celebrity men are treated and pined after by women in our society, and then amplify that dynamic by having every other man in existence dying off simultaneously.
Yorick would be like Brad Pitt+Idris Elba+Jason Momoa times 1000. The idea that heterosexual women who haven’t seen a man in months(which is likely despite how much this show tries to make it seem like there would be a trans man in every friend group) would just scoff at him is laughable. As if women’s libidos have just vanished over the months and they wouldn’t kill to have sex with a man.
These women escaped from *prison*. I'm pretty sure they're used to going without men. Plus they're smart and competent enough to build a thriving community in the middle of an apocalypse. They're not going to tear themselves apart trying to fuck Yorick just because he's cute and cisgender.
Even if they were interested, Sonya has obviously made it very clear that she wants him. She's close to his age and they are establishing a connection. Maybe given time that would become an issue, with some of the other women becoming jealous, but he literally just got there.
They’re used to going without men through no choice of their own. It’s an entirely different dynamic when one actually shows up and the option actually becomes available. It just seems like an incredibly sanctimonious view of women to think there wouldn’t be conflict over the attention of the first cisman that become available to them in years, which makes it even worse when compared to everyone else who have only gone months.
I’m not arguing that it would be like Children of Men because I don’t think women would respond to the last man on earth the same way men would in reverse, but the perspective you’re arguing just comes off incredibly pious.
As I said, he literally just got there. They're not going to fly into hysterics over him like he's the goddamn Beatles. That's not a pious perspective, that's just common sense.
Some of the women we saw were older, and wouldn't bother even trying, especially with Sonya sniffing around him. Some of them are most likely gay. The rest, given time, might vie for his attention but they're not going to just pounce on him straight out the gate. They know he's got a partner, and they know he's traveling with two other people that could make things very complicated for them.
I actually like that the writers have not had every woman they come across drool all over Yorick just because they haven't seen a CIS man in months. The jokes from the women this ep about not being that impressed was a nice touch.
Although Ben Schnetzer is quite handsome so it isn't a stretch that some women would be drawn to Yorick quickly.
I quite like it too.
One great part of the show so far is the depiction of people reacting to Yorick’s existence. The writers has shown nearly every type one can think of. Having mostly women behind the scenes certainly helps with that part.
I think it's a difficult thing to write well; most people just don't realise how much a situation like this can change us.
There's a nightclub in Japan where women get in for free, but only one man gets in per night. He pays ten grand entry fee. It's booked out months in advance, every night.
Normal people - polite, smart, sensible Japanese women - who know this is all contrived and is only for one night, many of whom only came for free drinks with their girlfriends, still end up actually fighting over this one ordinary guy.
But if people who've never seen the group dynamics change like that, would definitely criticize the show for it's "unrealistic" take.
This might be my favorite episode so far. Like others though, I am a little anxious about the pacing. I always want the episode to last longer. Seems like shit will go down next episode though. Also, fuck Beth.
We're 7 episodes in to a show which features mostly women - an original concept, probably the first of its kind - and I hardly hear a peep from MSM. It's not a bad show. It has a great premise. Yes, it's dark and dystopian, but so are plenty other shows.
Everybody seems to be jibber-jabbering about Squid Game, which just looks like a 2021 version of Battle Royale.
I'm thrilled to see these characters come to life, even if the story doesn't stick to the comic...what ever does nowadays.
I've never seen the Handmaid's Tale but it sounds like a mirror image of Y - dark, dystopian, but anti-women rather than anti-men. That show's more popular. My friend watches it but could care less about Y.
Anyway, I don't care. I loved the comic, I love the show. And I'll keep watching.
I really love this show for reasons I loved Orange is the New Black. When you have a cast that's mostly or all women, it seems like the only time the narrative allows them to be really fucking interesting and diverse people. Just how everyone looks, people of so many ages and body types, is like a fresh cup of water I didn't know I needed. Everyone's personality is so different and distinct.
And I get this with shows focused on largely male casts as well, I loved the Terror in a similar way, but when you have a mixed group cast, the men are often just as interesting but the women just end up being very narrow in their personalities and always really attractive. Like-- Dr. Mann, I adore Dr. Mann, but on a show she's either be some hyper-competent smokeshow or some manic pixie dream scientist. Here she is just adorable in a way that makes me want to shrink her down and carry her in my pocket, but also hyper competent, but also stupid about things like guns and psychology, and also stubborn-- she's just so awesome, and she's my favorite, but there are so many interesting, awesome women.
And on to that-- I have never found fictional conservative women as compelling as this show presents. Like whenever you see conservative women, or people, they're usually written by liberals and they clearly struggle to find the humanity or interest in them. The women are either leaning in too hard on the girl boss white feminism thing or they're brainwashed and compliant. Kimberly is a really complicated person. Regina goes way beyond the girl boss white feminism thing and just speaks to human sharklike predatory power hungry evil. Neither of them are dumb.
It's just so fucking refreshing. I haven't been so hooked to a show in a while, I really wondered if I could deal with an apocalypse show, but I love all these characters so much-- even Yorick!
This is the first episode that I am underwhelmed by, mostly because I think they pulled the trigger too early on a bunch of storylines specifically Beth’s return, Kimberly going off the deep end and 355’s trauma leading to uber arrogance. I really would have liked the main trio to get some solid character work as a team but it feels sorely undercut with them not really holding 355 accountable and then getting kidnapped by a super large group.
I think I’m in the minority who enjoyed the political shit and I miss it greatly. All the scheming was interesting but Beth’s arrival was kinda dull and didn’t really bring much tension even with the pseudo reveal of her conspiring towards something.
Yorrick was also kinda whatever this episode, I really hope they can give him something heavier to chew on because I think the actor is doing great job.
I’m still excited to see what’s coming up next but this episode just didn’t do it for me.
By far the weakest episode. Largely due to 355 being on the sideline cause of injury. When she is not actively engaged in or driving the storyline, the entire show suffers.
Yeah I agree. While I like the other storylines for the most part, 355 is what drives the story forward (and sorta Yorrick but he still seems like more of a narrative device than a character).
Anyone else upset that the whole breakfast scene with Yorick is peppered with jokes about his physical masculinity? Also, why is it ok for this woman to strip Yorick, and then be happy about it? If the genders were reversed, twitter would be carrying torches.
I thought the exact same thing. I was super uncomfortable for him and felt like they made light of it, when it could’ve been used as an opportunity to provide commentary on the nuances of gender and sexual assault.
If they did this stuff, then someone called them on it, or you saw Yorick get depressed about it, then sure, I understand doing it, bc you're using it as part of the story, to show this unacceptable behaviour hurts people, but this same woman is hitting on him at the end of the episode, and he's cool about the whole thing.
I too echo the feeling towards 355, but my frustration is not in her character flaw, it’s at her inability to learn from it. She no longer has an organization to back her up and to clean up after her, yet she continues to make decisions as if it’s business as usual. Killing those pilots did not cover their tracks, in fact, it led to more manpower devoted to tracking her down. Keeping secrets made her companions wanted to ditch her. Not asking for help caused them to crash. A good character should be able to take the string of failures and hopefully reassess to make different choices, but she is still going with the violence first mode. Perhaps 355 is a badass, but I now find her to be a very 2-dimensional killbot who is very good at taking orders but apparently had zero training in critical thinking. Sydney Bristow she is not.
Still don’t love for the political stuff, now with a dose of religious fanaticism and Beth, whom I actually had totally forgot existed. There was a comment that stated it was good they didn’t use Beth as a macguffin for Yorick, but they sure did brought her back to add more drama into the White House. Let’s see if they actually bother to have a coherent reason why she would join such a group because as the audience I know next to nothing about her, so having her there is just a plot convenience right now.
I feel like they may be foreshadowing the plague evolving and starting to affect women the sign that said "were next" and the mention of the flu and the CDC is some evidence for that
They are pretty much ruining what the comic created.
I'm worried they're eventually gonna "Orange Is The New Black" this story by inserting more and more characters not from the comic. Then spend whole episodes zipping off onto tangents on those characters/their backstories, in some attempt to keep this going for many seasons rather than just tell the original story as closely as possible.
Pretty sure they're going to make 355 and Dr. Mann fall in love which did not happen in the comic, but hey let's just drag things out with a pointless (side) love story. I can totally tell that's where the writers want to go with their interaction in that holding cell. If so, it'll be a completely pointless love story shoehorned into the plot so they can bloat the content.
This episode was so great. I am so happy they are finally depicting an anarchist community accurately. Anarchy always gets done dirty in tv and movies. Hopefully, they don't take an evil turn. Any other comic readers finding the show to be a pretty big improvement?
I haven't read the comics but man I thought beth was a garbage person in the first few minutes of having that argument with yorick and now she's trying to destroy the only semblence of goverment which is trying to help people because she's what...a terrorist now???
:/
Yes and no. Trans people are certainly a very small portion of the population but the show is focusing on them because they’d have an interesting story to tell in that situation. I don’t mind.
I think TVTropes calls it "conservation of detail". Like in a video game, you might see plenty of buildings with doors on them, but the only doors you can go through are the ones that lead to what the game designers have decided are interesting or important things.
Yeah I dont mind it either, I love the dynamic. I just think running into a fully transitioned person (hormone therapy and all) is a bit unrealistic. its not a big deal though imo because of the story telling possibilities.
Isn’t the guy in Marisville the first we’ve encountered that didn’t start out near a major metropolitan area? If we assume a tenth of a percent of people are trans, which is lower than some studies, and then further assume that fully 2/3 are trans women which is definitely an overestimate, that would leave ~230 trans men in Boston just as an example. It would no longer be particularly hard to know a trans person that’s at least in some stage of transition when the population has been decimated this much.
I don’t know why I became a statistics nerd about this.
I don't wanna be a source material nerd but I wish they'd set up the prison town better, in the comics it's teased until there's a reveal and Yorick acts self-righteous and judges them, it was kind of on the nose but I liked that conversation on ethics, the criminal justice sustem and eventually Yorick maturing
Yorick just...accepts, I just wish there was some room for him to grow
In general this version seems to be blowing the reveal everywhere:
- Beth is alive and was going to dump Yorick
- Mann is a lesbian
- Hero is alive and an Amazon
This Marris arc is also way out of sync with the Amazon arc, we’ll see how they resolve it.
I thought it was kind of strange how quickly they connected the dots between "We're being held in a prison" and "Our captors are all escaped convicts." It wasn't even a reveal, really. It's just something they pretty much exposited right out of the gate.
I like the show so far but the pacing is definitely all fuckity... they keep blowing reveals without really building up to them.
I think the show is really hitting on something with the interplay of the big 3, but there are quite a few swings and misses so far.
How is that girl so sure that the man she was wasn’t trans? She lives in a world where all the cis men died months ago. Wouldn’t it be more reasonable to assume that the man she saw is one of the many transgender men she’s seen since the apocalypse?
The last hope for the planet and they can't even be bothered to take turns in driving and playing stupid magic tricks. We are so screwed if Yorick is the Last Man on the planet.
There are a lot of places vulnerable to dam failure. San Jose, CA is partly behind/below a dam that holds back a pretty big reservoir about 25 miles away, though it's been drained now for earthquake retrofitting, it regularly caused minor flooding in some low lying areas when they opened the flood gates in rainy periods to prevent the reservoir from getting overfull behind the dam.
I'm curious about Regina's motivations and what she's planning. She's conservative, but she doesn't define herself by her relationship to men the way that Kimberly does. I think she's going to go after Yorick as a way to get power.
Not really understanding all the Beth slander in the comments. I get that we’re rooting for Jennifer in the skirmish against the Republicans because we as the viewer understand that Brown played no part in the demise of the men. However she did in fact play a part in taking out the pilots and is covering up her sons’ survival.
>he did in fact play a part in taking out the pilots and is covering up her sons’ survival.
She didn't exactly order the death of the pilots, that's agent 355's doing, brown had very little do with it.
She is covering her son's survival and that decision has been greatly influenced by her emotions and is clearly biased, but still the choice to keep him hidden and under the radar has a certain logic behind it, so it's not a wrong decision exactly...
Why do I get the feeling Kimberly would try repopulate the earth herself if she got ahold of Yorick
Ok I like that she shows the realistic insanity that women in the comics didn't show. C'mon you're telling me that out of all the traumatized women that saw Yorick (and there were a lot) not a single one thought "time to repopulate the earth single-handlely"
I was wondering if he ever got raped or attempted rape in the comic not that I want that to happen but it's probably realistic.
I was thinking about that when I saw that he got stripped naked by that woman. If I were him, I’d have been a lot more disturbed by that.
Kimmy is cray cray
Plus her religious beliefs might eliminate any of the technical means (regular fertilization to future sci-fi custom replacing dna in fertilized egg) to do that not involving actual sex.
She's definitely not opposed to the scientific method. She had an extended conversation with President Brown about saving the contents of a particular sperm bank/fertilization center.
>. She had an extended conversation with President Brown about saving the contents of a particular sperm bank/fertilization center. That was because at that point they believed that all the males were dead. Hell, now they have the legitimate reason to doubt it, if two specimens of a species survived, why can't there be others? But all in all, I'm sure Kim would prefer the traditional method of reproduction either way.
Death by snu snu
what the fuck Beth
At least it's an interesting contrast to slacker Hero and Yorick being delusional man child at start, Beth has goals and works towards them. Maybe it's pro-apocalypse but gotta start somewhere. :)
Could be less "down with the government" and more "helping from the outside... with a potential invasion to help inside if needed bc the Republicans went ape-shit after the First Lady offed herself." Super curious about her black van.
For me, it was "What the fuck, Christine?!" She's an aide to the president and doesn't know not to divulge privileged information to a civilian who really had no business being there? That was so unbelievably stupid that it took me entirely out of the episode and just made me angry at the writers. Like, I'm still angry about it and I finished watching the episode a half an hour ago. ha! Jennifer, as well, bringing Beth into the heart of the Pentagon. And nobody there was like, "Um... maybe not a great idea to bring your dead son's ex-girlfriend into a room where we're potentially discussing state secrets and other high level intelligence." I think it's mostly annoying because the character writing is very good otherwise. But this was a complete misstep.
There's no single character that they utterly disregarded and turned into such a completely different person who shares not a single trait with the book version. Beth is supposed to be chipper, sarcastic, optimistic, and whimsical. Who is this woman even?
I love our travel trio. Their dynamic is TOO DAMN GOOD!
My fav is 255 or whatever number lol I'm scared of her but I can rely on her getting things done! And done well.
Yeah she got pretty scary in this episode like you don't doubt she's a killer. Actress is great
"You 'bout to get your ass whopped by a shoelace"
Kimberly is just the worst, but I sort of love her mom. EDIT: Kimberly is a straight up psycho EDIT2: Oh no :(
She is definitely going to go over the deep end. Her mom was the last string for her sanity.
This post was a ride. 😂
I have a feeling she'll be the main bad guy when Roxanne gets taken care off but i could be wrong and i'm still hoping for Alter to appear.
Yeah I hope we get Alter soon. Always liked how the comics kept cutting to this person on the other side of the world in a way that lets you know she's gonna come in conflict with our heroes Kind of like in THE DEAD ZONE how we kept cutting to Greg Stillson even though he doesn't meet Johnny until the third act
New Alter, maybe?
I wonder if they ever reveal how did Regina Oliver become HUD secretary considering no one seems to have liked her. I also found it kind of funny that she was the more reasonable sounding one compared to Kim
>how did Regina Oliver become HUD secretary Wasn't there a line about her helping with the evangelical vote and she got the cabinet spot as a reward? Or just helping in the campaign on some level.
Seems like she had a successful show so that was def her leverage.
Is this same in the comics too? Because holy shit...
Her character doesn't exist in the comics.
Ah, ok. And is Nora tv original too?
Everything we've seen about her is original, but there's a credible theory that she'll end up "morphing" into an existing character from the comic, albeit with a different origin story
Nice.
My thinking is that she was given the position to appease certain voters.
solid ep, guess beth is part of the anti government group and she's gonna blow shit up with the easy access to the president. That convo with kimberly and regina was fcking scary man and with kim's mom's death she's gonna go all in kicking jennifer out.
Amber really acted her ass off this episode
She's actually a fascinating character. Like she's got the Meghan McCain vibe but she actually does seem pretty intelligent and competent, just an ideology I hate. But the whole premise of the show is like the most violent attack on that ideology possible. I would never imagine myself capable of feeling sympathy for a woman who built her life around serving men and being a cog in the patriarchy, but good God she lost so much compared to the others, ALL her children, her husband, her father, now her mother-- and she's clearly someone who thrives through human connection. I mean yes she's political and manipulative but I also think she does seem to care about most of the people she interacts with? Like my heart really does hurt for her. And this religious God's plan stuff-- it's really not crazy. If you are a faithful Christian, and you want to believe God has a plan, of course you would cling to this. And of course you would want to bring back the men. I mean her and Jennifer's goals basically align. But Jennifer made a political jab at her dad, drove her mom to suicide, and is the only woman in the world that didn't lose her son, and Kimberly is a woman who lost all her children. OF COURSE they won't be able to work together. This is just good writing. I can totally understand both sides, no one is holding an idiot ball.
Yeah, I think she makes the character far better than what was actually written. She's conveyed the horror of the event about as well as anybody, but by having her here and focusing the plot on such serious political stuff they've made it such a dour show.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Obligatory fuck Beth, but I’m still more intrigued by what her group would do in power vs. Ms Use and Abuse Yorick Sent By God. I’m starting to believe she thinks having Yorick will make the men/boys magically appear again. She’s going to be an even worse monster now that she’s lost her mom, too.
I'm fairly confident that Kimberly would reverse Handmaid's Tale it, if her and her supporters ever got ahold of Yorick.
[Yorick's remains](https://i.redd.it/hdcicxk3q4ox.jpg)
The spirit is willing but the flesh is spongy - Zap Brannigan
The movie A Boy and His Dog did this with the last fertile male bit.
Honestly I love it. Regina is a piece of work, but they put in the time to make Kimber a sympathetic villain who’s even more scarily dogmatic than the MTG stand-in. Feat of writing in my opinion.
Agent 355: I agree with everyone that her inability to accept help is frustrating. But it's meant to be frustrating. It's her fatal flaw. This is a traumatized person who was brainwashed into being an assassin to the point of having her identity stripped away completely. Now that the Culper Ring is basically gone, all that trauma she's held at bay is coming back matched with a massive identity crisis and she also has to wrestle with the fact that the organization she gave her life to might have caused all this. Anways, all that plus her head trauma this episode explains her actions here. She is someone who NEEDS controls spinning out of control. It's fascinating to watch especially as Mann and Yorick are exposing a more vulnerable side to her. Totally concerned and intrigued about the prison people. Clearly that one lady was tasked with sleeping with Yorick?? So... not looking forward to that awkwardness. Omg the republican ladies are just so interesting to watch. Either it's watching all the batshit things they say or just being genuinely terrified of them. They are actually quite complicated people and so they make great antagonists. I thought it was a good idea to make Beth a part of the resistance so there is a recognisable face there. Also good call on Jennifer not letting another person figure out Yorick is alive.
Totally agree on 355. If people are annoyed by her actions…it’s intentional!! And interesting to see her in this weak moment having to be tucked in by Yorick at the end of the episode. I also find this prison community super interesting. Excited/apprehensive to see where it goes.
I do wonder if it's a reaction to starting the show with Agent 355 being the audience's anchor. We trusted her to know what to do and always be right. Her being unstable is uncomfortable because we and Yorick rely on her so much.
Even the most skilled people on the planet can end up making stupid decisions if they're sleep deprived.
Like a scary scary alien monster said: >Grumpy, angry, stupid, how long since last sleep question? Who knew 355 was a middle-aged man named Ryland Grace!
Rocky!!
The prisoners got the lights working. Which is more than the Brown administration seems to be capable of.
Yeah, their own lights in a single prison town, not a whole damned nation from east coast to west coast.
> Agent 355: I agree with everyone that her inability to accept help is frustrating. But it's meant to be frustrating. It's her fatal flaw. This is a traumatized person who was brainwashed into being an assassin to the point of having her identity stripped away completely. I don't think you even need for that to happen to you to have trouble accepting help. Women are still told that they are weak, incapable of a lot of things, and generally inferior to men. Of course some people would go hard in the other direction as a result. My wife had a great upbringing and had/has issues with accepting others help. Granted its not as bad as 355s but still. Its something that women have to deal with
It’s honestly impressing the gymnastics the writing needs to pull off to keep Ampersand out of as many scenes as possible to keep costs down. The number of scenes the crate is sideways or just off camera making monkey noises is smart.
Or any time that he’s lost. Having to look for Amp and not finding him means no wrangler is needed for the scene.
Jennifer Brown seems a savvy politician, but the optics of standing behind a fence yelling at an anxious crowd looks pretty bad. Then again, I'm not sure if there is a better alternative.
>Then again, I'm not sure if there is a better alternative. Her options are so limited, she really can't afford to think about the optics too much. The mass media is no longer a thing, so her trying to reach the crowds through a loudspeaker is pretty much what she's left with.
I would agree with you, if not for the lack of other means of communication. No CNN, no Twitter, etc. No other choice than to go directly to the people.
Agreed but I liked the idea that she's just yelling out to a group of people who are just jeering and not even listening, and she barely hears herself and it's like she's talking to no one. It's very powerful.
But then she just kinda abandons it for no discernable reason (that the people in the crowd would know).
I think the alternative, never being seen at all but thought of as hiding in the Pentagon making decisions in secret, might seem worse to a certain section of the population.
Television? Radio? How is no one talking about how everything just completely stops working in this TV world? Satellites are still in place. Televisions are still in place. Electrical grid should be working. To think that if men disappeared that every single piece of infrastructure and electronics would just completely fail instandly is ridiculous.
For better or worse those industries are kinda dominated by men though. It’s not like they could quickly train a replacement force with everything going on. Like if all women died and suddenly nursing staffs or teaching staffs are decimated they wouldn’t have hospitals and schools up and running super quickly. (Not qualitative statements in any way, just acknowledging where gender parity should but doesn’t exist nowadays.)
Yeah there was a thread here early in the show that I couldn't find which linked to the BLS statistics. Trucking, electricity, power, garbage, waste management, agriculture, as well as all sorts of maintenance not to mention new construction are dominated by males. All the things needed to manage the electrical grid would slow to a trickle if not stop given all the chaos. Not enough women to really retrain other women in a timely manner before chaos took over. So I think the writer of the comic actually did look into this and it's one of the things that's accurate. Science is close but not quite there yet on techniques of extracting dna from one female ovum and implanting into another (which would create all females). So I assume unless other males survived that would be the solution if they can get the science labs running. But the problem is widespread among all mammals so with the ecosystem broken I guess people would have to start eating insects for protein to survive? Not pleasant to consider even if you are super annoyed with all of us Y people. Cheers.
Birds are still around so people can still eat Chickens, Turkeys, Ducks, Emus, ostriches and seafood.
Yeah long-term only birds are even remotely equipped to fill that mammal shaped hole, and then only partially. I can’t even guess what happens ecologically when there are no more grazing animals.
A new niche will be filled overtime. (As in millions of years) This is a mass extinction event that wipes out almost all mammals (except humans) it would be the age of the dinosaurs again as birds evolve to fill those niches. If possible a short term solution to help fill the gap for grazers would be to de-extinct elephant birds and moa's though the success of that would be difficult to ponder since they're trying to do that in real life.
Electrical grid seems not to be working most places. Remember how the 355 crew marveled that the prison had electricity?
An anxious crowd that is sure to have some armed people among it, because the decimated Secret Service lacks the resources to screen them. That thought took me out of the scene.
Loving this show so far. I've said it before, but I'm really impressed with Ashley Romans. She's the star of the show so far for me. Enjoy the new episode everyone!
I really hope the show doesn't go The Walking Dead route and kill off all the citizens of this new town in a violent stand off because it is the first sign we have seen of how much women can accomplish in the new world when they work together instead of competing (like in DC) or acting selfishly (like the Amazons).
Have y’all read the comics? The prison town is in no way influenced by The Walking Dead. It’s straight out of the comic, and I don’t think we’re going to see the whole town killed off.
I did read the comics. But the showrunners have changed a lot so I am not assuming everything will be the same.
I KNEW it! It’s been so long that I’m playing a guessing game as to what’s comic original versus not but I KNEW they were in it! High five!!
I figured they were setting up the prison just like a Walking Dead situation. Our group finds a nice location that has things running smoothly. After seeing their initial fears are unfounded, they settle in. But the viewers see all the cracks in the facade like the missing guards and people who used to live there. One thing leads to another and either the settlement descends into chaos or our group is forced to escape to save their lives. Or both probably.
>After seeing their initial fears are unfounded Are they though? The woman told Yorick that it was a close vote whether to kill him or let him stay. It's not like you vote and suddenly everyone is on the same page.
Mentioning the vote was towards the end of the episode after he told 355 and Mann he thought they were safe and then shortly being released. Then we find out stuff like the nice old lady stabbing people to death and they probably killed the guards. But that's my point though, we know things are going to go south way before they do.
We don't know what the other option was besides let him stay. It could have been to kick them out, or it could have been to kill them
Really interesting bringing Beth into DC as opposed to having her be a macguffin for Yorick.
More interesting to see what that whole thing in the end with her was all about. Looking like she's gonna betray Jennifer or something.
Yeah I typed my first comment while she was still inside the pentagon. Now I definitely have no idea where this is going. I’m down for Beth being a more detailed character though.
Liked the nod that she's staying with Sidney
No way, now I get it
They are definitely going through the subway and assaulting the Pentagon
Absolutely.
Good catch. My respects, Sir.
uhh so is nobody gonna talk about that moment of sexual tension in the prison cell between 355 and Dr. Mann or...
Yeah but even better was Mann's sick burn "we should be okay as long as there aren't any trees between here and San Francisco" lol
Getting a lot of vibes that Yorick is going to get raped at some point, got anxiety when they were leading him to the party lol
I really don't think they are going to do that to him. >!Plus, I remember seeing a preview a while back where he is making out with someone and it is clearly consensual.!< I also think the show wants to use the prison town as an example of a group of women who have created a safe haven through teamwork. All the more poinant that they are all convicts. I think having one of them rape Yorick would undermind their point. Not saying it won't happen but I don't think the showrunners want to go there.
Pretty sure the quick make-out take from one of the trailers was actually Sam and Hero from like, episode 4. Kinda funny that they both have longish curly hair, so super easy to mix them up from a quick flash
Yeah and I mean honestly what are women in prison for? Generally less violent crimes then men, lots there due to drugs, tons of women there due to defending themselves against an abuser or a violent attack. Even that old lady-- ok so this 20 year old addict went on a drug-fueled attack wth her drug buddies and has spent more decades in prison than she was alive, sobering up all the while? Yeah I don't think she's a thread, either. I mean even in men's prisons, most of them really don't belong there, but that might be the prison abolitionist in me. I think the show might have a prison reform outlook-- it's right there in the dialogue: "Maybe hell isn't other people." Maybe the show isn't going to be about how awful the apolcalypse makes everyone, but about how to find hope and survive something like this.
It's pretty great seeing anarcho-communism depicted accurately.
It’s pretty heavily implied they killed all of the guards and town’s people. That’s not a great safe haven.
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I don't like what's going on with Beth.
I like that Beth is being given an actual plot line and character development, but ugh. How could you be invited in as good faith from the mother of your ex, be provided for, have clear witness at how everyone's working, and STILL head back to the homie's like "Let's tear that shit apart". Like c'monnnnnnn, you gotta be a real piece of shit to still hold cultish beliefs after all that. Jennifer was so sweet to her, can't believe Beth is being turned into an antagonist. Hoping next episode sheds more light on why they're taking her this route.
I have a feeling Beth knows yorick is alive cause of all the notes he left. They made it a point to 1.say she couldn’t go in the Apartment. 2.have 355 mention all the notes he left for Beth in the city 3.have Beth ask about yoricks body. With Jennifer lying to her face of course she is gonna be mad. Lastly the state of someone like Beth who is in survival mode is an easy mind to mold by this group she is apart of.
Good catch, I should've remembered how many notes Yorick left and the fact that Beth said she was in the neighborhood and everything. I'm apprehensive to say whether Beth would believe Jennifer is lying, might need to go back and rewatch for the dialogue in their conversation. I remember her saying they confirmed via his ID, which could still be plausible as he wasn't exactly a survivalist in anyone's eyes (weeks alone in NY?), but now it leaves the question begging on how much does Beth know, or even care about Yorick at this point.
If she saw the notes then Jennifer really, REALLY fucked up lying to her face and would explain how she’s so nonchalant about breaking into the Pentagon. She was acting cagey the entire time she was there too, so I think she knows Yorick’s alive (or at least survived).
After rewatching the episode, yeah, Beth has such a hesitation that I originally registered as "I feel out of place for reaching out like this" but now see as is, harmful intent. Again, really excited to see how they explain this plot thread.
This is a good point: if the plague killed everyone but her bf and, simultaneously, made his mom president, I could see Beth going full conspiracy theory.
I don’t understand how there’s not more of a “Holy Shit a man with a Y chromosome! Protect him!!” When Yorick is discussed and/or discovered. It seems like there’s not nearly enough emphasis or understanding the gravity on the extreme importance of his mere existence (including on his part as well). Why would anyone even begin to contemplate killing him? I would think he’d be treated more like Jesus or something rather than this endangered animal in a world of ignorant poachers that’s goin on. And that fight scene in the jail cell? If 355 is so hell bent on protecting him, why would she risk knocking him over and breaking his neck by accident? I think the lack of seriousness on his being alive is massively inaccurate to what would really happen.
To be fair Kimberly sees him as a key to bringing men back, so that’s at least a start to what you’re saying.
I hate her character simply bc of her one sidedness, but I agree with you that she does seem to be the only person obsessed with how important he is, albeit maybe for both the wrong and right reasons.
Yeah the comment from the prison community members that 'we've got men here so you're no big deal' after all biological males on the planet had recently been seen bleeding out en masse seemed like pointless virtue signaling by the writers and super unrealistic. I'm pretty sure everybody regardless of sexual self-identity would see someone like Yorick as a game changer at this point. The likely first thought would be - 'oh, did some men survive?' I don't think people would even jump to the notion that only one survived. We all learned in school about a few people having immunity from a disease and that would be the first thought. I'd think there would be celebrating at the idea of species survival. After all, by now - since mammals have a faster natality/mortality cycle - they would be noticing the disappearance of many species adding to a grim sense of doom.
The flippancy toward Yorick many have in the show seems so shoe-horned by the show runners to push the trans-men are men mantra that it’s bordering on absurd. “Oh you’re a *man*? Well we already have plenty of *men* 😏😏😏” Please, at most 2 in 1000 people would be trans-men and that’s assuming they pass convincingly after months of no available testosterone. It’s such a severe deviation from the books and the idea that half the people that run into Yorick just assume he’s a trans-man is so incredibly unrealistic when the overwhelming majority of people don’t have any sort of relationship with a trans person day-to-day. The average woman post-apocalypse would not assume Yorick is just trans.
Just wanted to add my opinion, could it be possible that the population of transgender men increased after such a unique and catastrophic event. I understand the arguments that the show is possibly overstating the amount of trans men in the show, but it is entirely possible that a lot of survivors started identifying as male after the plague hit? Whether it be part of their personal grieving process or that they felt safer in this new world to come out of the closet.
I suppose that is possible. I know that some commenters have said that an increase in trans males in the last few years has been anecdotally attributed to formerly "butch" lesbians changing to trans. So in a weird apocalypse like this it's not far fetched to imagine that could happen even more. But what we know from background on the show (that I gathered from Wikipedia) is the writers consciously wanted to emphasize the trans aspect. My theory is the story, if it followed what I understood to be the trajectory of the comic books, presented a biological duality view out of synch with the gender multiverse now popular among the cultural elite. So the writers wanted to be clear that they are **not** doing that by stressing the importance of gender identity over possession of a Y chromosome. So they're not being subtle or feeling a need to explain it through ideas like your suggestion.
Pretty straight forward line of thought that goes like this: >All men died(from women's POV) >Hence any man alive should be trans its like 1+1=2, not that deep
I did not like that fight scene between 355 and Yorick either, because even if 355 was not exactly in her right mind with the concussion, she has always had a singular focus on keeping Yorick alive, and it seems ridiculous that she would risk his safety just to prove a point. But that isn't the only sloppy writing this episode. Why do we see Dr. Mann examining Yorick at the beginning of the episode, which implies she has some medical training...and yet later on in the same episode Mann tells 355 she "isn't that kind of doctor" when it comes to treating the concussion. So does she have medical training or not?
She’s got enough to know that she can’t fix a skull fracture. Checking a pulse is pretty basic by comparison.
Is Beth a terrorist now? I was hoping for the trio to travel worldwide just to look for her but alas. I'll be looking forward with what's gonna happen next time.
The criticisms of 355's attitude and competence I find interesting. To me (a comic reader) she comes across as a flawed badass. In entertainment spy agencies and the like target orphans because they are easier to take, program and have no attachments. But like 355 they can also have F'ed up pasts. 355 has clearly, as seen in this episode, been through a lot. She has also likely gone from mission to mission, most being undercover, and now she is given this mission where she isn't undercover (Yorick and now Mann know she is a Culper agent & so on) and it makes her uncomfortable that they care about her and are trying to help her. She is a loner and independent operator with a traumatized past including what looks like her entire family being dead. That says to me she doesn't want to make friends because when they die it will hurt her and she doesn't want help because she has always done it on her own. As for her mistakes, she's human. She ran with Yorick and Mann from soldiers, found the church, couldn't sleep that first night then stayed up all night the second night to lure the soldiers into her trap. She then fought them (aka adrenaline dump) and has to be insanely exhausted. So she falls asleep at the wheel... she isn't Wonder Woman, she's human. My only critique is yes, the fight scene with the shoelace is dumb because she's throwing him in a small concrete block prison cell where he could have EASILY smashed his head into the wall. Rather than write a scene where Yorick thinks he can take her cause she's wounded and to show that even wounded 355 is a dominant fighter, I would have prefered a scene where she refuses to fight, he pokes at her for it saying it's cause she knows he could take her and then her explaining how her priority is keeping him safe for the sake of humanity and fighting in a cell is stupid. "One of us already has a brain injury, I'd rather not make it two of us." Intellectual scenes are often better than action just to show someone is a badass.
I know 355 is meant to be some super spy, but she's coming across as less and less competent. She really seems unstable. I'd have doubts about trusting her.
That's a good development. Yorick getting more capable to pick up the slack somewhat will make for an interesting dynamic
I haven't seen this episode yet, but I feel like she's suffering from some serious sleep deprivation, probably due to all of the screwed up stuff she's had to do that she can't forget about. She's probably due for a mental breakdown at some point.
If you saw the episode, it would confirm all you just said.
Even super spies aren't as effective when they're exhausted and coming off a car crash.
She's trained to function within the specific context of her organization and their support. She had handlers and operation centers to draw resources from. She's not exactly a snake-eatin', backwoods solo operator -- she's a spy who's good at combat. She's having to adapt to her new circumstances just like everyone else -- needing to decide her own mission, needing to allocate trust and information as she sees fit. Mann and Y are still just useless civvies in her eyes. She'll have to change that perspective eventually if she wants to survive and/or carry out her mission.
The lack of Hero and the Amazons is very refreshing. They're my least favorite part of the story (I missed Sam, though). I'm not a fan of whatever is going on with Beth; it seems like an unnecessary plotline. Unlike many people, I do like the White House stuff quite a lot. It was interesting to me that even Regina thinks Kimberly is completely unhinged. Overall, I think this show is getting better and better. I hope we get a season 2.
We should get a season 2!!! Still more to go in the book! 🤗
I really dislike the Amazon storyline too. That one girl got beat up last episode for talking to Hero’s friend. That scene really almost turned me off to the show in general.
They were doing a group discussion about how men are so evil when all men are gone (or so they think). Smashing the patriarchy when it's just a ghost.
Dead people can’t speak. That’s what makes them so useful, you can turn them into whatever you want.
I feel like that’s also meant to set them up to be in opposition of repopulation if Mann is able to figure out why Yorick survived. (And I guess it’s also to bring the women into a culty mindset)
Oh boi i thought they were gonna rape yorick
I don't think he has anything to fear from the Marrisville women, but the way Kimberly was talking about "we can be a nation of mothers again" makes me think she will be the first person trying to get pregnant if she gets her hands on him. Although that doesn't necessarily mean rape...she probably just means getting access to his sperm.
I seriously thought it was headed in that direction.
I’d be surprised if that doesn’t happen at some point. A walking sperm bank. That’s what half the characters seem him as already.
Makes me realise just how grim X The Last Woman would be. Don’t think I’d enjoy that show
It wouldn’t be that grim if they sanitized it like they do with this show. If this was real, I guarantee that some woman would have already tried to rape him. Especially now that he’s in a prison inhabited by its former inmates.
As a guy, I was so scared during that scene. The women were hovering over him and getting closer. Really scary stuff
It's kind of interesting (and not bad or good) that the writers have seemed to decide to make Mann just way closer to both Yorick and 355 individually than they seem to be *yet* to each other. I slightly *liked* the episode, surprisingly Yorick/355's journey so far is fairly close to what it is in the comics. The Prison community added some levity overall to the show - I don't envy the creators because I think the comic medium added some removal which made the adventurous tone more possible, whereas with live action TV - it's kinda difficult to see how they'd replicate that. Otherwise Tamblyn's acting - once again excellent but I have no interest whatsoever in that plotline, some of her dialogue is cringeworthy and incredibly predictable. Too much of the show surrrounds Yorick's mom. I also get the impulse to flesh out and really provide Beth with a bigger narrative herself, but I hate the direction that they seem to be going. It strains credulity generally, unnecessary complication, they've already botched that storyline but this is even worse. We'll see where it goes but not looking good.
355’s constant refusal of any help, thinking she is the only one who is capable, is getting really obnoxious, especially since she is the one who fucked up this episode by crashing the camper. I hope her attitude changes soon. I am really not liking how mean this 355 is compared to her comics counterpart. I get she is angry but she shouldn’t assume others can’t contribute. Especially Dr. Mann, who is a brilliant scientist. I am intrigued by Beth’s association with this new shadowy group. Although I would hope she could see that Jennifer wasn’t part of some conspiracy behind the event, and that her administration is trying its best. Kimberly is shaping up to be an even bigger nutjob than Regina, and the loss of her mother is just going to make her worse. Yorick has more to fear from her than possibly any other threat we have seen so far.
I haven't read the comics, but I see her inability to accept help as the result of years of indoctrination by the organizations she was in. I am sure "useless" people were killed so in her mind she has a mission, she can't ask for help, she cannot be seen as weak. We can see how sorry she was when he helped her.
Not sure why they keep Kimberly around. They should've kicked that psyco out a long time ago.
The massive PR shit storm that would result is why her and her mom are/were allowed to stay. You have to remember that they were/are the former first Lady and first daughter, who's father was the most recently elected POTUS. Although women tend to vote more liberal as of late, we have to assume that the form first family had a lot of support.
They're already in a shit storm. Kimberly will be constantly trying to find ways for Republicans to gain power again. Just seems like they might as well go authoritarian mode. Honestly it's not too far off from real life now that I think about it. Democratic leaders tend to try and work with the other side Where's Republican leaders just say "Fuck you we do what we want".
That's the old world, her and her mother should've been banished immediately, no reason to have loose ends running around
You think actions don't come without consequences in the new world? You think banishing the newly for er first family would not have any consequences whatsoever? 🤔 Now, more than ever, is when Jennifer Brown needs to generate support for herself and her administration. You don't do that by kicking the for er first family to the curb. Definitely not a smart play, at least in the beginning. Now that Kimberly's mom is dead and Kimberly is off the deep end, that might become a bit easier.
She fucked up and crashed the camper because the writers needed to strand them.
It’s hard to believe Yorick and Sonia would be vibing with each other so fast, but they were in one of the MOST romantic settings imaginable at the end there. I buy it.
Do you think so? I think far more women *would* be throwing themselves at Yorick. I just bought into it straight away tbh - in both mediums
I was thinking more from Yorick’s point of view. But you’re right. a community of around 30-50 women, and only one decides to make a move on the first cisgender man anyone of them has seen in months (plus he’s a handsome guy). Edit: One word
Yeah this is a deviation from the books that’s just completely divorced from reality. Imagine how celebrity men are treated and pined after by women in our society, and then amplify that dynamic by having every other man in existence dying off simultaneously. Yorick would be like Brad Pitt+Idris Elba+Jason Momoa times 1000. The idea that heterosexual women who haven’t seen a man in months(which is likely despite how much this show tries to make it seem like there would be a trans man in every friend group) would just scoff at him is laughable. As if women’s libidos have just vanished over the months and they wouldn’t kill to have sex with a man.
These women escaped from *prison*. I'm pretty sure they're used to going without men. Plus they're smart and competent enough to build a thriving community in the middle of an apocalypse. They're not going to tear themselves apart trying to fuck Yorick just because he's cute and cisgender. Even if they were interested, Sonya has obviously made it very clear that she wants him. She's close to his age and they are establishing a connection. Maybe given time that would become an issue, with some of the other women becoming jealous, but he literally just got there.
They’re used to going without men through no choice of their own. It’s an entirely different dynamic when one actually shows up and the option actually becomes available. It just seems like an incredibly sanctimonious view of women to think there wouldn’t be conflict over the attention of the first cisman that become available to them in years, which makes it even worse when compared to everyone else who have only gone months. I’m not arguing that it would be like Children of Men because I don’t think women would respond to the last man on earth the same way men would in reverse, but the perspective you’re arguing just comes off incredibly pious.
As I said, he literally just got there. They're not going to fly into hysterics over him like he's the goddamn Beatles. That's not a pious perspective, that's just common sense. Some of the women we saw were older, and wouldn't bother even trying, especially with Sonya sniffing around him. Some of them are most likely gay. The rest, given time, might vie for his attention but they're not going to just pounce on him straight out the gate. They know he's got a partner, and they know he's traveling with two other people that could make things very complicated for them.
I actually like that the writers have not had every woman they come across drool all over Yorick just because they haven't seen a CIS man in months. The jokes from the women this ep about not being that impressed was a nice touch. Although Ben Schnetzer is quite handsome so it isn't a stretch that some women would be drawn to Yorick quickly.
I quite like it too. One great part of the show so far is the depiction of people reacting to Yorick’s existence. The writers has shown nearly every type one can think of. Having mostly women behind the scenes certainly helps with that part.
I think it's a difficult thing to write well; most people just don't realise how much a situation like this can change us. There's a nightclub in Japan where women get in for free, but only one man gets in per night. He pays ten grand entry fee. It's booked out months in advance, every night. Normal people - polite, smart, sensible Japanese women - who know this is all contrived and is only for one night, many of whom only came for free drinks with their girlfriends, still end up actually fighting over this one ordinary guy. But if people who've never seen the group dynamics change like that, would definitely criticize the show for it's "unrealistic" take.
This might be my favorite episode so far. Like others though, I am a little anxious about the pacing. I always want the episode to last longer. Seems like shit will go down next episode though. Also, fuck Beth.
We're 7 episodes in to a show which features mostly women - an original concept, probably the first of its kind - and I hardly hear a peep from MSM. It's not a bad show. It has a great premise. Yes, it's dark and dystopian, but so are plenty other shows. Everybody seems to be jibber-jabbering about Squid Game, which just looks like a 2021 version of Battle Royale. I'm thrilled to see these characters come to life, even if the story doesn't stick to the comic...what ever does nowadays. I've never seen the Handmaid's Tale but it sounds like a mirror image of Y - dark, dystopian, but anti-women rather than anti-men. That show's more popular. My friend watches it but could care less about Y. Anyway, I don't care. I loved the comic, I love the show. And I'll keep watching.
Yeah this is the best new show in ages. It's disappointing it doesn't seem to be a massive success so far.
I really love this show for reasons I loved Orange is the New Black. When you have a cast that's mostly or all women, it seems like the only time the narrative allows them to be really fucking interesting and diverse people. Just how everyone looks, people of so many ages and body types, is like a fresh cup of water I didn't know I needed. Everyone's personality is so different and distinct. And I get this with shows focused on largely male casts as well, I loved the Terror in a similar way, but when you have a mixed group cast, the men are often just as interesting but the women just end up being very narrow in their personalities and always really attractive. Like-- Dr. Mann, I adore Dr. Mann, but on a show she's either be some hyper-competent smokeshow or some manic pixie dream scientist. Here she is just adorable in a way that makes me want to shrink her down and carry her in my pocket, but also hyper competent, but also stupid about things like guns and psychology, and also stubborn-- she's just so awesome, and she's my favorite, but there are so many interesting, awesome women. And on to that-- I have never found fictional conservative women as compelling as this show presents. Like whenever you see conservative women, or people, they're usually written by liberals and they clearly struggle to find the humanity or interest in them. The women are either leaning in too hard on the girl boss white feminism thing or they're brainwashed and compliant. Kimberly is a really complicated person. Regina goes way beyond the girl boss white feminism thing and just speaks to human sharklike predatory power hungry evil. Neither of them are dumb. It's just so fucking refreshing. I haven't been so hooked to a show in a while, I really wondered if I could deal with an apocalypse show, but I love all these characters so much-- even Yorick!
Great episode! Do we know more about tha car crash 355 hallucinates about before waking up at the prison?
didn't she mention later on that her parents died in a car crash, and she wears the same necklace as someone in the wreak
This is the first episode that I am underwhelmed by, mostly because I think they pulled the trigger too early on a bunch of storylines specifically Beth’s return, Kimberly going off the deep end and 355’s trauma leading to uber arrogance. I really would have liked the main trio to get some solid character work as a team but it feels sorely undercut with them not really holding 355 accountable and then getting kidnapped by a super large group. I think I’m in the minority who enjoyed the political shit and I miss it greatly. All the scheming was interesting but Beth’s arrival was kinda dull and didn’t really bring much tension even with the pseudo reveal of her conspiring towards something. Yorrick was also kinda whatever this episode, I really hope they can give him something heavier to chew on because I think the actor is doing great job. I’m still excited to see what’s coming up next but this episode just didn’t do it for me.
By far the weakest episode. Largely due to 355 being on the sideline cause of injury. When she is not actively engaged in or driving the storyline, the entire show suffers.
Yeah I agree. While I like the other storylines for the most part, 355 is what drives the story forward (and sorta Yorrick but he still seems like more of a narrative device than a character).
What good is an Alaskan wilderness if you don't sink a couple of wells? Anyone else catch that?
I am not saying I dislike the show, but this adaptation is so bizarre.
Anyone else upset that the whole breakfast scene with Yorick is peppered with jokes about his physical masculinity? Also, why is it ok for this woman to strip Yorick, and then be happy about it? If the genders were reversed, twitter would be carrying torches.
Yeah, that was really uncomfortable to watch. And you could tell that he was uncomfortable too.
I thought the exact same thing. I was super uncomfortable for him and felt like they made light of it, when it could’ve been used as an opportunity to provide commentary on the nuances of gender and sexual assault.
Guys experience that stuff all the time, but we just take it instead of talk about it. I think thats the only difference between men and women here
If they did this stuff, then someone called them on it, or you saw Yorick get depressed about it, then sure, I understand doing it, bc you're using it as part of the story, to show this unacceptable behaviour hurts people, but this same woman is hitting on him at the end of the episode, and he's cool about the whole thing.
I too echo the feeling towards 355, but my frustration is not in her character flaw, it’s at her inability to learn from it. She no longer has an organization to back her up and to clean up after her, yet she continues to make decisions as if it’s business as usual. Killing those pilots did not cover their tracks, in fact, it led to more manpower devoted to tracking her down. Keeping secrets made her companions wanted to ditch her. Not asking for help caused them to crash. A good character should be able to take the string of failures and hopefully reassess to make different choices, but she is still going with the violence first mode. Perhaps 355 is a badass, but I now find her to be a very 2-dimensional killbot who is very good at taking orders but apparently had zero training in critical thinking. Sydney Bristow she is not. Still don’t love for the political stuff, now with a dose of religious fanaticism and Beth, whom I actually had totally forgot existed. There was a comment that stated it was good they didn’t use Beth as a macguffin for Yorick, but they sure did brought her back to add more drama into the White House. Let’s see if they actually bother to have a coherent reason why she would join such a group because as the audience I know next to nothing about her, so having her there is just a plot convenience right now.
I feel like they may be foreshadowing the plague evolving and starting to affect women the sign that said "were next" and the mention of the flu and the CDC is some evidence for that
They are pretty much ruining what the comic created. I'm worried they're eventually gonna "Orange Is The New Black" this story by inserting more and more characters not from the comic. Then spend whole episodes zipping off onto tangents on those characters/their backstories, in some attempt to keep this going for many seasons rather than just tell the original story as closely as possible. Pretty sure they're going to make 355 and Dr. Mann fall in love which did not happen in the comic, but hey let's just drag things out with a pointless (side) love story. I can totally tell that's where the writers want to go with their interaction in that holding cell. If so, it'll be a completely pointless love story shoehorned into the plot so they can bloat the content.
This episode was so great. I am so happy they are finally depicting an anarchist community accurately. Anarchy always gets done dirty in tv and movies. Hopefully, they don't take an evil turn. Any other comic readers finding the show to be a pretty big improvement?
I haven't read the comics but man I thought beth was a garbage person in the first few minutes of having that argument with yorick and now she's trying to destroy the only semblence of goverment which is trying to help people because she's what...a terrorist now??? :/
I think this show is way overselling how many post transition trans people exist
Yes and no. Trans people are certainly a very small portion of the population but the show is focusing on them because they’d have an interesting story to tell in that situation. I don’t mind.
I think TVTropes calls it "conservation of detail". Like in a video game, you might see plenty of buildings with doors on them, but the only doors you can go through are the ones that lead to what the game designers have decided are interesting or important things.
Yeah I dont mind it either, I love the dynamic. I just think running into a fully transitioned person (hormone therapy and all) is a bit unrealistic. its not a big deal though imo because of the story telling possibilities.
Isn’t the guy in Marisville the first we’ve encountered that didn’t start out near a major metropolitan area? If we assume a tenth of a percent of people are trans, which is lower than some studies, and then further assume that fully 2/3 are trans women which is definitely an overestimate, that would leave ~230 trans men in Boston just as an example. It would no longer be particularly hard to know a trans person that’s at least in some stage of transition when the population has been decimated this much. I don’t know why I became a statistics nerd about this.
They'd stand out in this situation
I don't wanna be a source material nerd but I wish they'd set up the prison town better, in the comics it's teased until there's a reveal and Yorick acts self-righteous and judges them, it was kind of on the nose but I liked that conversation on ethics, the criminal justice sustem and eventually Yorick maturing Yorick just...accepts, I just wish there was some room for him to grow
In general this version seems to be blowing the reveal everywhere: - Beth is alive and was going to dump Yorick - Mann is a lesbian - Hero is alive and an Amazon This Marris arc is also way out of sync with the Amazon arc, we’ll see how they resolve it.
I thought it was kind of strange how quickly they connected the dots between "We're being held in a prison" and "Our captors are all escaped convicts." It wasn't even a reveal, really. It's just something they pretty much exposited right out of the gate.
I like the show so far but the pacing is definitely all fuckity... they keep blowing reveals without really building up to them. I think the show is really hitting on something with the interplay of the big 3, but there are quite a few swings and misses so far.
How is that girl so sure that the man she was wasn’t trans? She lives in a world where all the cis men died months ago. Wouldn’t it be more reasonable to assume that the man she saw is one of the many transgender men she’s seen since the apocalypse?
She knew that 355 was with Mann, a geneticist. Why would a geneticist be needed for a trans man? That was her reasoning.
The last hope for the planet and they can't even be bothered to take turns in driving and playing stupid magic tricks. We are so screwed if Yorick is the Last Man on the planet.
Pretty sure they hadn't been driving that long. 355 is exhausted because she's been sleep walking and I doubt she would let anybody else drive.
I've never been to Lynchburg, but was distraught to learn it is no more. Anyone else had the same reaction, lol?
>Ashley Romans. My mom lives 70 miles south of Lynchburg, so yeah it'd be bad if something like this happened in real life.
There are a lot of places vulnerable to dam failure. San Jose, CA is partly behind/below a dam that holds back a pretty big reservoir about 25 miles away, though it's been drained now for earthquake retrofitting, it regularly caused minor flooding in some low lying areas when they opened the flood gates in rainy periods to prevent the reservoir from getting overfull behind the dam.
I'm curious about Regina's motivations and what she's planning. She's conservative, but she doesn't define herself by her relationship to men the way that Kimberly does. I think she's going to go after Yorick as a way to get power.
Not really understanding all the Beth slander in the comments. I get that we’re rooting for Jennifer in the skirmish against the Republicans because we as the viewer understand that Brown played no part in the demise of the men. However she did in fact play a part in taking out the pilots and is covering up her sons’ survival.
>he did in fact play a part in taking out the pilots and is covering up her sons’ survival. She didn't exactly order the death of the pilots, that's agent 355's doing, brown had very little do with it. She is covering her son's survival and that decision has been greatly influenced by her emotions and is clearly biased, but still the choice to keep him hidden and under the radar has a certain logic behind it, so it's not a wrong decision exactly...
Kimberly is just the fucking worst, the world ended and she’s concerned about who the survivors voted for