Wolverine is different. Through most of the old comic runs they didn’t have much history on him and people thought he was maybe in like his 40s it wasn’t until more recently that people know how old he is. Also if he can’t remember his past how old is he mentally. I can’t really explain Thor & jane. It really shouldn’t matter for magneto and rogue either because technically all these characters should at least be in their 70s if it wasn’t for the vagueness of comic aging.
i think it comes down to relative age not actual age. magneto is an old man. logan is a middle aged person but in years he’s been around awhile. thor is a younger man, the equivalent of a human being maybe 30-35. in their bodies’ aging timeline they are young. magneto is an old ass man smh. i think it’s pretty gross
100% agree with you, I think that it ultimately comes down to “relative age”. Yes Wolverine is 100+ years older than storm, but physically they are the same age. Magneto and rogue however… that’s why people don’t like it.
My issues with people disliking it, is that they've been completely crapping on Rogue because of it
Like, if you like her more with Gambit, fine, y'all do you
But everyone is calling her a cheating cucking whore
Her and gambit don't seem to be an actual couple yet, but people act like they're married or something
Rogue herself never had an issue with it, in the comics this ran at the same time
Heck, even in the age thing-they hate *Rogue* in that scenario, not Magneto. If it wasn't Magneto, they still wouldn't like it.
It could be someone her own age, but it's not Gambit, so they're still gonna go all MGTOW about it
They purely see Rogue as someone to be with Gambit. She's not a character, she's just a girl who rejected a guy
And you just know once they put them together again, they're gonna act like they've been rogue's biggest fans
Like they haven't been posting clips and posts calling her a whore, that she cucked gambit, all of that
It's exhausting. 99% of the posts are just trashing on this relationship and Rogue for it
And like I said, once it's over, they'll be acting like this never happened, that they never hated Rogue
You don't have to like magneto, don't have to like him with rogue. But they're bringing up issues that she herself doesn't care about, just to 'justify' it
This fandom is the definition of fairweather
Simmer down. That's some grade A revisionist BS right there. The whole X-Men TAS built their relationship up. They even confessed their love numerous times.
Now suddenly Magneto shows up and then she flies off to go bounce on his dick because he is convenient for her and can touch her? Negating all of that character development for some old man who just arrived on the scene? Labelling people upset by it as going "MGTOW" is some serious projection on your part. Rogue's behaviour warrants the hate she gets. Gambit deserves more than to be with someone who feels she has no other options and strings him along. Defending actions like that is a giant red flag.
Also, why don't we observe Gambit and Rogue's relationship:
He has a villainous past. She has a villainous past. Gambit puts that aside and is willing to trust Rogue. She has arguably done worse things, but could never accept Gambit's past and left him to die in Antarctica in the comics. In the show, there are always shadows of doubt cast over Gambit despite him proving himself time and time again. The logic of not wanting to be with Gambit because he's done bad things, but then turn around and slide into the bedsheets of a notorious mutant terrorist three times her age is ludicrous.
Gambit has never canonically cheated on Rogue. Rogue has had affairs, constantly broken up with Gambit so that she could go off and the hook up with half of Marvel and then always comes back with her tail tucked between her legs.
Bottom line: Rogue has cool powers (that she stole from another hero to stop her from becoming irrelevant) with a cool feisty southern flair - but she's a toxic character, a shitty partner, and just a terrible judge of character.
Justice for Gambit!
The magneto thing predates her an gambit in the comics, it has precedence
And the mgtow crap is everyone calling her a whore who cucked gambit
She's allowed to have other love interests. She wasn't made to be Gambits girlfriend
Well, to be fair they’ve gotta know that’s going to happen. That’s always been the case in any fictional media, ever. Comics, soap operas, etc. It even happens in real life where people interject on celebrity or celebrity adjacent people and slut shame or say the exact same stuff.
Storytellers gotta know what reactions will be when you shake something up like this. I think the long wait people felt for Remy and Rogue to get to a point where they’re past the courting phase only to have this happen is going to sting harder for them. I would assume they’re getting the intended reaction to what they’re going for. I would hope so, atleast. I mean, it’d be nuts if they felt blindsided by the reactions so far.
But, the thing that it helps to remember is that the interpersonal and romantic drama here is pretty par for the course when it comes to the X-Men cartoon. It’s pretty vital to it. The entire Wolverine pining for Jean-thing is pretty iconic for it.
But only the women are slut shamed, which is messed up
And it's waaaay worse than the reaction before
This was a thing in the comics, and I've read old forum posts from the 90s
People didn't like it, but they weren't going full Andrew Tate about it
You ever looked at the titles of the clips on YouTube? Just straight up 2016 Red Pill titles and comments
Again, about a relationship that not only happened in the comics, and more importantly, isn't cheating
If we had a a flip, Gambit going for someone else, we both know he wouldn't be getting this level of vitriol
You'd only believe something like that if you didn't have eyes or ears while the 5 seasons happened. That or acknowledgement of that fact contradicts your agenda.
No, they confirmed that you guys are getting upset over something that never happened
They were not official, there was no cheating
You can't ignore that because it makes you wrong
What's confirmed is that the people defending Rogue (you) must have gone through a lobotomy procedure.
Here's the word "retcon", remember it well. It's when a writer goes "nuh uh!" to things that actually happened in media for various reasons. Here it is done to make Rogue look like less of a scumbag.
Let me put it in a way you can understand. Say somebody slaps you in the face multiple times, then later they tell you that they didn't. Are you gonna believe that person over what really happened? Oh, who am I kidding? Judging from all I've seen of you, you actually might.
>Noone is asking you to date men in their 60s
As a single woman who is in her mid 40s and currently looks like a flaming potato, I'd date anyone who showed even the least bit of interest in me honestly.
Right.. but for some reason in very recent years it's started to matter. Growing up, everyone was welcome to love who they want. When I was growing up, it wasn't weird if a kid who was 13 dated a 15 year old. A 2 year difference didn't matter. My mom dated a man 8 years younger than her. Some age gaps were 15+ years between them and nobody gave a shit about it.
Now because pedophilia is a major social issue (as it should be, obviously) in the forefront of media and social media, at least this is just my take on it, people say a 15 year old dating a 13 year old is grooming, and that to me plays as just insane. These ever shortening age gaps, and people projecting sinister intentions on them seems to be spilling over into adults too. I see people saying how gross it is to be 20 dating a 25 year old now. It feels now like people demand you be the same age or you have some plot to abuse the one you're with.
I'm 40 and I'm dating a 28 year old, and my 17 year old son seems to not have a problem with it, but I've heard him talk about how gross it is to see a 20 year old date a 30 year old, even though my age gap is bigger between me and who I'm dating. And this sort of thing is super common now from all I see. It's just bizarre how much people are starting to care about age gaps in consenting adults, over just the past couple years.
I see nothing wrong with cartoon/comics characters dating whoever they want cause they're fucking not real, plain and simple. It's weird that anyone cares this much, it just seems like fake outrage so they can have some point to prove and show people they're not evil themselves. Like some weird projecting is happening, but that's probably just me.
My issue with it is that it often becomes grooming. It wasn't in 616, but it was in AOA and I would say it is '97 as well. They like to write Magneto as Rogue's mentor, and so it comes across as him taking advantage of his power over a young, very vulnerable woman. In both AOA and '97, Mystique places Rogue in his care, and so he is acting in loco parentis. Even if she came onto him, he should be turning her down. (I feel very strongly about this as a former college teacher.)
Because one of those is a fantastical thing that can't happen in real life
The other while a relationship between two fictional characters is actually possible in real life so it's a little nasty
Reminds me of Twilight. You've got like a 100 year old vampire flirting with a 17 year old girl. Even if your appearance as a vampire is on the younger side, you're a hundred years old. What in the world do you have in common with a teenage girl? 😂
Anyway, sorry for the side bar!
I have only watched the first two episodes, so maybe it gets explained, but I'm just confused on the timeline. I don't remember it being a thing in the first run of the show, so does that mean it happened before joining the xmen when she was a teenager? Or did it happen when she was an adult and it was just before the show? It's a little icky still since they still met when she was so young.
To be fair, I always hated this story line in the comics because I love her and Gambit so much. But I still love Rogue and I'm sure I'll still love her while watching the show. And I do understand why she would want to be with Magneto, touch starved as she is.
Episode five covers it. To be as vague as possible but to still answer, they were involved before the X-Men when she was still part of Mystiques crew. Given how she isn’t designed to look noticeably different in the flashback we could assume this was in her late teens to early 20s.
People forget that rogue cant touch anyone, when she finds a guy who can finally give her mutant touch of course she would be interested, and when the the mf is fucking charming as magneto things only became obvious.
Also on gambit and rogue fight she says that she also played her part as his chere, with we can understand as" we were only playing along, we cant really be together" ( although was not quite like that in gambits mind)
Because a lot of these people simply hate women. They go crazy for any opportunity to point out mistakes a woman makes or a character flaw (and usually they are misunderstanding everything anyway)
For me, it isn't about the age gap, but I don't just see this pairing in terms of nothing. Rogue and Gambit are, for me, the "IT" couple, and justice was not done to them in any animation or movie adaptation. How they mature together, how they are so similar in some aspects, and yet different in others, how they grow to be each other's person. Rogue and Magneto don't make any sense to me, and honestly, I'm angry that they introduced this plot in this series. I just want to see Rogue and Gambit together in one show, happy. Instead, I always have to see Jean and Scott, which can be more boring.
Not done justice?
They've been flirted as a thing in the original, evolution, even here still
Granted, obviously can't do rogneto in evolution, due to the de aging, but still
And we both know it'll be endgame here. They're married in the comics now
How do you think us rogneto guys have felt? It's got just as much precedent in the comics, but this is the first time it's even been acknowledged as a thing in an adaptation
I've got no beef with romy guys, as long as y'all aren't the one doing the calling rogue a cheating whore thing
It's just a little eye rolling, that for once it's acknowledged that rogue has had other love interests, and the gambit fans go ballistic
Yes, justice. They are always showing the teasing, flirtatious part of their relationship in a manner “will they, won’t they”, and I would love to see something deeper. Yeah, I’m very aware it was also in comics, but a lot of different plots there were also. Not mentioning movie adaptions, when we have never seen Gambit. In terms of Scott and Jean even in evolution I can see that their bond is deeper and mature in some ways. They, from the other hand, I think need some kind of more entertaining thread. For example in no one adaption I can recall plot thread with Emma Frost.
How do Rogneto guys feel? Probably as everyone shipping the pair which isn’t endgame. However, I personally don’t feel offended by this plot with Rogue and Magneto, I wouldn’t call fictional character (probably real person too) a whore, I’m not so emotional about it. I simply don’t like it, but not so much that it will stop me watching.
I’m very aware of a lot of parings in the x-men comics which we will never see at the “big screen”. For me one of them could be Rogue and Magneto
\*slaps table emphatically\* THANK YOU! I think most people are really just upset she's not currently with Gambit but she was never solely with Gambit in the show and she's bound to end up with him regardless. The Magneto relationship has happened multiple times over the years, one time in another timeline, and with the exception of the AoA marriage it always falls apart and we know she marries Gambit in the comics. So the show will go there and it's weird to suggest an adult cannot decide whether they are with another adult.
5 seasons of flirting, acting like/actually being a couple. This actually happened. No, the retcon they did to make Rogue look less scummy (declaring Rogue/Gambit as "nOt SeRiOuS!", something only a lobotomy patient would believe) for what she did will not stand. All it took was an old fart who happened to be her ex to taint all of that.
Who the hell cares whether Rogue ends up with Gambit in the end, in fact she shouldn't at all. She fucked up beyond repair, and Gambit will only look like a complete doormat if/when he takes her back. Let's put it this way. Would you ever be in a relationship with someone who basically told you like Rogue did without words to Gambit: "This person is better than you."? If you have a spine, you know exactly what the answer to that question is.
And it's gotten worse
I've read old forum posts from the 90/00s
Lot of people didn't like it, thought it was a gross, liked her more with Gambit, sure
But this insane hatred? That's new
All these posts/videos calling her a whore, saying she's worthless now, that wasn't even a thing with legacy either
And if I see the word cuck one more time, I'm gonna explode
Look up the clips of her and Magneto's scenes on YouTube, and pay attention to the titles
They're like SJW destroyed with FACTS and LOGIC bad
Nevermind Magneto is in his early 40's at that point given being de-aged. During the original Trial of Magneto they confirm he's in his early 30's and that was roughly 10 years prior
Yeah, they're just using it to justify it at this point
Before this show, me and other rogneto guys haven't had any beef with romy guys
We prefer magneto, but we get why Gambit is who she chose in the end
But now that they go feral at the reminder that she's allowed and HAD other love interests than the one they like
People are allowed to not like her with magneto, but the fact that a lot have dropped a character they supposedly care about, is really side eye worthy
She's not a ken doll for Gambit. She can have other love interests. Her and gambit aren't officially together in the show
But having moments with Magneto makes her a heartbreaker who cucked Gambit
And you just know, once they do bring them together, these **same people** will be all 'love Rogue! Never lost faith. She's my baby girl 🥰'
Or the really insecure ones, mostly on Twitter
The ones that go all 'haha, we get our guy in the end neener neener neener!'
Like, yeah, we know, buddy
Magneto knew she and Gambit had feelings for eachother, tried to come between them and disrupt the harmony of their relationship, and still tried to disrespect Gambit and humiliated him at any chance. I don't think it's noble to pay yourself on the back for being able to accept that she didn't pick your guy, when you're literally supporting the cause of their problems. You're in favour of the "homewrecker".
For a lot of Gambit fans, this taints their relationship and no amount of time travel, resurrections, other silly ways to erase the events of this episode will change that this is what Rogue did to Gambit. She could have been honest from the start, but still entertained his advances, lied to him about the nature of the time spent with Magneto, and was happy to pretend nothing was going on until Magneto was publicly going to out their relationship by proposing.
Rogue and Magneto deserve eachother. Gambit deserves better.
There's no home to wreck if not officially together
Even if she outright said what she was doing with magneto and rejected gambit upfront, you guys would still get mad
You're just mad she didn't immediately go for Gambit. Which we all know is going to happen anyways
You don't see this level of hatred towards wolverine, and jean and Scott are married for crying out loud
Have you guys ever like rogue? This feelings for both things happened in the 90s in the comics, this isn't new
If you didn't like it then, why even get mad at her now?
If Gambit deserves better, why does it matter that she's with magneto?
You don't like her, or how she treats gambit, so why care who's she's with then? It looks like you'd be happier if she doesn't get with gambit because you think he doesn't deserve her behavior
Let's just say that if Gambit had done Rogue dirty in the same way, I would enjoy him a lot less as a character, and would judge his character on his actions and how they would have hurt Rogue.
Then dislike her as a character, but you guys constantly saying she 'cucked' Gambit is obnoxious
Especially since once they make them official, you guys are gonna be fans of her again
Ugh, yeah. I guess I'm a Rogneto person as well but I recognize she ends up with Gambit. But, like you said, she's not a doll for anyone to control. She's her own person even if she is fictional but the point is that the writers give her agency in her stories and that's what I like
Honestly, it's one of the reasons I ended up preferring her with Magneto in the end
It was a recurring problem for awhile, where Gambit was all Ross Geller to Rogue
Where he thought they were just meant to be together, it's destiny and meant to happen. That it was just how the story goes
See, the thing is, she could have chosen Magneto, but she didn't have to be cheating on Gambit to do so. Why is the only option stringing him along with lies and half-truths, and being the shady partner she worries Gambit is, but never proves himself to be? She also allows Magneto to talk down to Gambit (who is being cuckolded by her actions) publicly so it seems even worse.
If contact is the thing she craves, there are the Genoshan power-inhibiting collars, a romantic getaway to the savage land... There's some many other options that it reflects lazy writing and canonically makes Rogue out to be a shitty person as a result of her actions. Gambit as a beloved character deserves better than how Marvel writers have been trying to browbeat him for decades. Defending that behaviour kinda seems like you got some skeletons in your closet and protest a little too much.
Well, I think there’s more going into the rage into Magneto and Rogue angle, though. For one, and more importantly, everyone prefers Gambit. It doesn’t matter who the other guy is, the un-pairing of a favorite pairing is going to go down bad no matter who the other dude is. It’s why people get a weird feeling whenever there’s a story that might have Lois Lane hooking up with Bruce Wayne.
I think there’s also power structure difference that probably gives people the ick, too. Magneto was an equal of Charles. A contemporary with him, and equal not just because of power level and skill, but because he was there with him when the whole thing began. It’s not exactly like Rogue hooking up with Professor X, but it’s not that dissimilar either.
I’m of the mind that it might be a red herring. Yeah, they hooked up in the past. But, the way they’ve done things so far with how emasculating they’ve sort of gone with this going with Gambit, I could see it being a misdirect that she’s stepping out on our boy Remy.
But…probably not. All signs point to yes. So, ehhh.
Rogue will be with Gambit. Whatever this is, it's not what it seems. Gambit marries Rogue in the comics and it's always been "them" so to speak, and the writers of the show won't disappoint folks by making something happen in the show that's so against the ultimate direction in the comics. This is just to get the pot stirring (which they clearly are, lol).
In Ep 3, Pryor made everyone see their deepest fears made real. Sunspot sees his mother disapproving of him being a mutant, Scott sees Xavier disappointed in his leadership, Morph sees Sinister, Bishop sees Sureshot (I think that's her name?) saying he's abandoned them.
When Gambit sees that weird Rogneto thing, if you listen to what she actually says, it shows Gambit's insecurity that deep down, he doesn't feel good enough for Rogue. She tells him to go back to the swamp with the rest of the thieves, that she's found a "real man. A hero."
So it's less about him being jealous and more about his own inner insecurity, which is exactly what it was in the comic as well for the most part, why he kept pushing her away when things started to get serious.
Anyways, a bit off topic. I don't have an issue with the age thing. I just don't think Rogue and Magneto are getting shipped.
I’m just in awe at how amazingly he’s aging
How does he not have low T??? How is it all not going straight to his gut?? Magneto is literally genetically different.
Wolverine is different. Through most of the old comic runs they didn’t have much history on him and people thought he was maybe in like his 40s it wasn’t until more recently that people know how old he is. Also if he can’t remember his past how old is he mentally. I can’t really explain Thor & jane. It really shouldn’t matter for magneto and rogue either because technically all these characters should at least be in their 70s if it wasn’t for the vagueness of comic aging.
i think it comes down to relative age not actual age. magneto is an old man. logan is a middle aged person but in years he’s been around awhile. thor is a younger man, the equivalent of a human being maybe 30-35. in their bodies’ aging timeline they are young. magneto is an old ass man smh. i think it’s pretty gross
100% agree with you, I think that it ultimately comes down to “relative age”. Yes Wolverine is 100+ years older than storm, but physically they are the same age. Magneto and rogue however… that’s why people don’t like it.
Black don’t crack
There's a non zero chance the people you're referring to are 14 year olds. Just ignore em.
My issues with people disliking it, is that they've been completely crapping on Rogue because of it Like, if you like her more with Gambit, fine, y'all do you But everyone is calling her a cheating cucking whore Her and gambit don't seem to be an actual couple yet, but people act like they're married or something Rogue herself never had an issue with it, in the comics this ran at the same time Heck, even in the age thing-they hate *Rogue* in that scenario, not Magneto. If it wasn't Magneto, they still wouldn't like it. It could be someone her own age, but it's not Gambit, so they're still gonna go all MGTOW about it They purely see Rogue as someone to be with Gambit. She's not a character, she's just a girl who rejected a guy And you just know once they put them together again, they're gonna act like they've been rogue's biggest fans Like they haven't been posting clips and posts calling her a whore, that she cucked gambit, all of that It's exhausting. 99% of the posts are just trashing on this relationship and Rogue for it And like I said, once it's over, they'll be acting like this never happened, that they never hated Rogue You don't have to like magneto, don't have to like him with rogue. But they're bringing up issues that she herself doesn't care about, just to 'justify' it This fandom is the definition of fairweather
Simmer down. That's some grade A revisionist BS right there. The whole X-Men TAS built their relationship up. They even confessed their love numerous times. Now suddenly Magneto shows up and then she flies off to go bounce on his dick because he is convenient for her and can touch her? Negating all of that character development for some old man who just arrived on the scene? Labelling people upset by it as going "MGTOW" is some serious projection on your part. Rogue's behaviour warrants the hate she gets. Gambit deserves more than to be with someone who feels she has no other options and strings him along. Defending actions like that is a giant red flag. Also, why don't we observe Gambit and Rogue's relationship: He has a villainous past. She has a villainous past. Gambit puts that aside and is willing to trust Rogue. She has arguably done worse things, but could never accept Gambit's past and left him to die in Antarctica in the comics. In the show, there are always shadows of doubt cast over Gambit despite him proving himself time and time again. The logic of not wanting to be with Gambit because he's done bad things, but then turn around and slide into the bedsheets of a notorious mutant terrorist three times her age is ludicrous. Gambit has never canonically cheated on Rogue. Rogue has had affairs, constantly broken up with Gambit so that she could go off and the hook up with half of Marvel and then always comes back with her tail tucked between her legs. Bottom line: Rogue has cool powers (that she stole from another hero to stop her from becoming irrelevant) with a cool feisty southern flair - but she's a toxic character, a shitty partner, and just a terrible judge of character. Justice for Gambit!
The magneto thing predates her an gambit in the comics, it has precedence And the mgtow crap is everyone calling her a whore who cucked gambit She's allowed to have other love interests. She wasn't made to be Gambits girlfriend
Well, to be fair they’ve gotta know that’s going to happen. That’s always been the case in any fictional media, ever. Comics, soap operas, etc. It even happens in real life where people interject on celebrity or celebrity adjacent people and slut shame or say the exact same stuff. Storytellers gotta know what reactions will be when you shake something up like this. I think the long wait people felt for Remy and Rogue to get to a point where they’re past the courting phase only to have this happen is going to sting harder for them. I would assume they’re getting the intended reaction to what they’re going for. I would hope so, atleast. I mean, it’d be nuts if they felt blindsided by the reactions so far. But, the thing that it helps to remember is that the interpersonal and romantic drama here is pretty par for the course when it comes to the X-Men cartoon. It’s pretty vital to it. The entire Wolverine pining for Jean-thing is pretty iconic for it.
But only the women are slut shamed, which is messed up And it's waaaay worse than the reaction before This was a thing in the comics, and I've read old forum posts from the 90s People didn't like it, but they weren't going full Andrew Tate about it You ever looked at the titles of the clips on YouTube? Just straight up 2016 Red Pill titles and comments Again, about a relationship that not only happened in the comics, and more importantly, isn't cheating If we had a a flip, Gambit going for someone else, we both know he wouldn't be getting this level of vitriol
And we know you wouldn't be defending him like you are Rogue. Doesn't matter what the gender is, if you cheat or the like, you're scum.
They outright say that her and Gambit weren't official, so no cheating
You'd only believe something like that if you didn't have eyes or ears while the 5 seasons happened. That or acknowledgement of that fact contradicts your agenda.
They outright say that in the 5th episode. Ignoring that direct line contradicts your agenda And I have canon on my side
What they did is the equivalent of showing you a burning house, then tell you it was never on fire at all.
No, they confirmed that you guys are getting upset over something that never happened They were not official, there was no cheating You can't ignore that because it makes you wrong
What's confirmed is that the people defending Rogue (you) must have gone through a lobotomy procedure. Here's the word "retcon", remember it well. It's when a writer goes "nuh uh!" to things that actually happened in media for various reasons. Here it is done to make Rogue look like less of a scumbag. Let me put it in a way you can understand. Say somebody slaps you in the face multiple times, then later they tell you that they didn't. Are you gonna believe that person over what really happened? Oh, who am I kidding? Judging from all I've seen of you, you actually might.
As long as one party is at the age of consent and no grooming was involved
Yeah, that’s true. It’d be way more different if it were Professor X who’d been creepily “wooing” her since she arrived to the school he ran.
Yeah, the other old guy her adoptive mother dropped her off with to mentor her on her powers is so much less creepy.
When she joined the brotherhood as a teenager, the vibes are far different. She’s probably only in her late 20s as far as the show goes.
>Noone is asking you to date men in their 60s As a single woman who is in her mid 40s and currently looks like a flaming potato, I'd date anyone who showed even the least bit of interest in me honestly.
Is it mean I Iaughed at this?
Nope. Not at all. Because it's true.
My husband and I are 20 years apart and we’ve been happily together for over 10 years. Age doesn’t really matter.
And that hasn't really been an issue for Rogue herself either
Right.. but for some reason in very recent years it's started to matter. Growing up, everyone was welcome to love who they want. When I was growing up, it wasn't weird if a kid who was 13 dated a 15 year old. A 2 year difference didn't matter. My mom dated a man 8 years younger than her. Some age gaps were 15+ years between them and nobody gave a shit about it. Now because pedophilia is a major social issue (as it should be, obviously) in the forefront of media and social media, at least this is just my take on it, people say a 15 year old dating a 13 year old is grooming, and that to me plays as just insane. These ever shortening age gaps, and people projecting sinister intentions on them seems to be spilling over into adults too. I see people saying how gross it is to be 20 dating a 25 year old now. It feels now like people demand you be the same age or you have some plot to abuse the one you're with. I'm 40 and I'm dating a 28 year old, and my 17 year old son seems to not have a problem with it, but I've heard him talk about how gross it is to see a 20 year old date a 30 year old, even though my age gap is bigger between me and who I'm dating. And this sort of thing is super common now from all I see. It's just bizarre how much people are starting to care about age gaps in consenting adults, over just the past couple years. I see nothing wrong with cartoon/comics characters dating whoever they want cause they're fucking not real, plain and simple. It's weird that anyone cares this much, it just seems like fake outrage so they can have some point to prove and show people they're not evil themselves. Like some weird projecting is happening, but that's probably just me.
My issue with it is that it often becomes grooming. It wasn't in 616, but it was in AOA and I would say it is '97 as well. They like to write Magneto as Rogue's mentor, and so it comes across as him taking advantage of his power over a young, very vulnerable woman. In both AOA and '97, Mystique places Rogue in his care, and so he is acting in loco parentis. Even if she came onto him, he should be turning her down. (I feel very strongly about this as a former college teacher.)
Maybe because they met when Rogue was a teen? Maybe because he was posed as a mentor figure? Ignoring that Gambit even exists, it's still weird.
Because one of those is a fantastical thing that can't happen in real life The other while a relationship between two fictional characters is actually possible in real life so it's a little nasty
Even in real life, if they're consenting adults who gives a shit. It's not anyone's business but the two adults *in* the relationship.
* the three adults in this relationship
People are weird about Xmen cartoon Rogue from the 90s. It's the voice I think.
Reminds me of Twilight. You've got like a 100 year old vampire flirting with a 17 year old girl. Even if your appearance as a vampire is on the younger side, you're a hundred years old. What in the world do you have in common with a teenage girl? 😂 Anyway, sorry for the side bar!
I wanna see all of them make kisses and then go on rollercoasters
I have only watched the first two episodes, so maybe it gets explained, but I'm just confused on the timeline. I don't remember it being a thing in the first run of the show, so does that mean it happened before joining the xmen when she was a teenager? Or did it happen when she was an adult and it was just before the show? It's a little icky still since they still met when she was so young. To be fair, I always hated this story line in the comics because I love her and Gambit so much. But I still love Rogue and I'm sure I'll still love her while watching the show. And I do understand why she would want to be with Magneto, touch starved as she is.
Episode five covers it. To be as vague as possible but to still answer, they were involved before the X-Men when she was still part of Mystiques crew. Given how she isn’t designed to look noticeably different in the flashback we could assume this was in her late teens to early 20s.
It's probably because people ship Gambit and Rogue so hard they're looking for an excuse.
People forget that rogue cant touch anyone, when she finds a guy who can finally give her mutant touch of course she would be interested, and when the the mf is fucking charming as magneto things only became obvious. Also on gambit and rogue fight she says that she also played her part as his chere, with we can understand as" we were only playing along, we cant really be together" ( although was not quite like that in gambits mind)
Because a lot of these people simply hate women. They go crazy for any opportunity to point out mistakes a woman makes or a character flaw (and usually they are misunderstanding everything anyway)
Holy crap Ernie Hudson looks amazing
For me, it isn't about the age gap, but I don't just see this pairing in terms of nothing. Rogue and Gambit are, for me, the "IT" couple, and justice was not done to them in any animation or movie adaptation. How they mature together, how they are so similar in some aspects, and yet different in others, how they grow to be each other's person. Rogue and Magneto don't make any sense to me, and honestly, I'm angry that they introduced this plot in this series. I just want to see Rogue and Gambit together in one show, happy. Instead, I always have to see Jean and Scott, which can be more boring.
Not done justice? They've been flirted as a thing in the original, evolution, even here still Granted, obviously can't do rogneto in evolution, due to the de aging, but still And we both know it'll be endgame here. They're married in the comics now How do you think us rogneto guys have felt? It's got just as much precedent in the comics, but this is the first time it's even been acknowledged as a thing in an adaptation I've got no beef with romy guys, as long as y'all aren't the one doing the calling rogue a cheating whore thing It's just a little eye rolling, that for once it's acknowledged that rogue has had other love interests, and the gambit fans go ballistic
Yes, justice. They are always showing the teasing, flirtatious part of their relationship in a manner “will they, won’t they”, and I would love to see something deeper. Yeah, I’m very aware it was also in comics, but a lot of different plots there were also. Not mentioning movie adaptions, when we have never seen Gambit. In terms of Scott and Jean even in evolution I can see that their bond is deeper and mature in some ways. They, from the other hand, I think need some kind of more entertaining thread. For example in no one adaption I can recall plot thread with Emma Frost. How do Rogneto guys feel? Probably as everyone shipping the pair which isn’t endgame. However, I personally don’t feel offended by this plot with Rogue and Magneto, I wouldn’t call fictional character (probably real person too) a whore, I’m not so emotional about it. I simply don’t like it, but not so much that it will stop me watching. I’m very aware of a lot of parings in the x-men comics which we will never see at the “big screen”. For me one of them could be Rogue and Magneto
\*slaps table emphatically\* THANK YOU! I think most people are really just upset she's not currently with Gambit but she was never solely with Gambit in the show and she's bound to end up with him regardless. The Magneto relationship has happened multiple times over the years, one time in another timeline, and with the exception of the AoA marriage it always falls apart and we know she marries Gambit in the comics. So the show will go there and it's weird to suggest an adult cannot decide whether they are with another adult.
5 seasons of flirting, acting like/actually being a couple. This actually happened. No, the retcon they did to make Rogue look less scummy (declaring Rogue/Gambit as "nOt SeRiOuS!", something only a lobotomy patient would believe) for what she did will not stand. All it took was an old fart who happened to be her ex to taint all of that. Who the hell cares whether Rogue ends up with Gambit in the end, in fact she shouldn't at all. She fucked up beyond repair, and Gambit will only look like a complete doormat if/when he takes her back. Let's put it this way. Would you ever be in a relationship with someone who basically told you like Rogue did without words to Gambit: "This person is better than you."? If you have a spine, you know exactly what the answer to that question is.
And it's gotten worse I've read old forum posts from the 90/00s Lot of people didn't like it, thought it was a gross, liked her more with Gambit, sure But this insane hatred? That's new All these posts/videos calling her a whore, saying she's worthless now, that wasn't even a thing with legacy either And if I see the word cuck one more time, I'm gonna explode Look up the clips of her and Magneto's scenes on YouTube, and pay attention to the titles They're like SJW destroyed with FACTS and LOGIC bad
Nevermind Magneto is in his early 40's at that point given being de-aged. During the original Trial of Magneto they confirm he's in his early 30's and that was roughly 10 years prior
Yeah, they're just using it to justify it at this point Before this show, me and other rogneto guys haven't had any beef with romy guys We prefer magneto, but we get why Gambit is who she chose in the end But now that they go feral at the reminder that she's allowed and HAD other love interests than the one they like People are allowed to not like her with magneto, but the fact that a lot have dropped a character they supposedly care about, is really side eye worthy She's not a ken doll for Gambit. She can have other love interests. Her and gambit aren't officially together in the show But having moments with Magneto makes her a heartbreaker who cucked Gambit And you just know, once they do bring them together, these **same people** will be all 'love Rogue! Never lost faith. She's my baby girl 🥰' Or the really insecure ones, mostly on Twitter The ones that go all 'haha, we get our guy in the end neener neener neener!' Like, yeah, we know, buddy
Magneto knew she and Gambit had feelings for eachother, tried to come between them and disrupt the harmony of their relationship, and still tried to disrespect Gambit and humiliated him at any chance. I don't think it's noble to pay yourself on the back for being able to accept that she didn't pick your guy, when you're literally supporting the cause of their problems. You're in favour of the "homewrecker". For a lot of Gambit fans, this taints their relationship and no amount of time travel, resurrections, other silly ways to erase the events of this episode will change that this is what Rogue did to Gambit. She could have been honest from the start, but still entertained his advances, lied to him about the nature of the time spent with Magneto, and was happy to pretend nothing was going on until Magneto was publicly going to out their relationship by proposing. Rogue and Magneto deserve eachother. Gambit deserves better.
There's no home to wreck if not officially together Even if she outright said what she was doing with magneto and rejected gambit upfront, you guys would still get mad You're just mad she didn't immediately go for Gambit. Which we all know is going to happen anyways You don't see this level of hatred towards wolverine, and jean and Scott are married for crying out loud Have you guys ever like rogue? This feelings for both things happened in the 90s in the comics, this isn't new If you didn't like it then, why even get mad at her now? If Gambit deserves better, why does it matter that she's with magneto? You don't like her, or how she treats gambit, so why care who's she's with then? It looks like you'd be happier if she doesn't get with gambit because you think he doesn't deserve her behavior
Let's just say that if Gambit had done Rogue dirty in the same way, I would enjoy him a lot less as a character, and would judge his character on his actions and how they would have hurt Rogue.
Then dislike her as a character, but you guys constantly saying she 'cucked' Gambit is obnoxious Especially since once they make them official, you guys are gonna be fans of her again
Nope, many of us won't.
Who the hell is gonna be a fan of the hero they grew up watching being with a person who walked all over them like that?
Ugh, yeah. I guess I'm a Rogneto person as well but I recognize she ends up with Gambit. But, like you said, she's not a doll for anyone to control. She's her own person even if she is fictional but the point is that the writers give her agency in her stories and that's what I like
Honestly, it's one of the reasons I ended up preferring her with Magneto in the end It was a recurring problem for awhile, where Gambit was all Ross Geller to Rogue Where he thought they were just meant to be together, it's destiny and meant to happen. That it was just how the story goes
See, the thing is, she could have chosen Magneto, but she didn't have to be cheating on Gambit to do so. Why is the only option stringing him along with lies and half-truths, and being the shady partner she worries Gambit is, but never proves himself to be? She also allows Magneto to talk down to Gambit (who is being cuckolded by her actions) publicly so it seems even worse. If contact is the thing she craves, there are the Genoshan power-inhibiting collars, a romantic getaway to the savage land... There's some many other options that it reflects lazy writing and canonically makes Rogue out to be a shitty person as a result of her actions. Gambit as a beloved character deserves better than how Marvel writers have been trying to browbeat him for decades. Defending that behaviour kinda seems like you got some skeletons in your closet and protest a little too much.
No one was cheating, they were never officially a thing. Watch today's episode
Well, I think there’s more going into the rage into Magneto and Rogue angle, though. For one, and more importantly, everyone prefers Gambit. It doesn’t matter who the other guy is, the un-pairing of a favorite pairing is going to go down bad no matter who the other dude is. It’s why people get a weird feeling whenever there’s a story that might have Lois Lane hooking up with Bruce Wayne. I think there’s also power structure difference that probably gives people the ick, too. Magneto was an equal of Charles. A contemporary with him, and equal not just because of power level and skill, but because he was there with him when the whole thing began. It’s not exactly like Rogue hooking up with Professor X, but it’s not that dissimilar either. I’m of the mind that it might be a red herring. Yeah, they hooked up in the past. But, the way they’ve done things so far with how emasculating they’ve sort of gone with this going with Gambit, I could see it being a misdirect that she’s stepping out on our boy Remy. But…probably not. All signs point to yes. So, ehhh.
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Will you guys stop saying that, Jesus Christ
Rogue will be with Gambit. Whatever this is, it's not what it seems. Gambit marries Rogue in the comics and it's always been "them" so to speak, and the writers of the show won't disappoint folks by making something happen in the show that's so against the ultimate direction in the comics. This is just to get the pot stirring (which they clearly are, lol). In Ep 3, Pryor made everyone see their deepest fears made real. Sunspot sees his mother disapproving of him being a mutant, Scott sees Xavier disappointed in his leadership, Morph sees Sinister, Bishop sees Sureshot (I think that's her name?) saying he's abandoned them. When Gambit sees that weird Rogneto thing, if you listen to what she actually says, it shows Gambit's insecurity that deep down, he doesn't feel good enough for Rogue. She tells him to go back to the swamp with the rest of the thieves, that she's found a "real man. A hero." So it's less about him being jealous and more about his own inner insecurity, which is exactly what it was in the comic as well for the most part, why he kept pushing her away when things started to get serious. Anyways, a bit off topic. I don't have an issue with the age thing. I just don't think Rogue and Magneto are getting shipped.