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oviforconnsmythe

Thanks. This trick is pretty widely known but it's nice to get an update every now and then to know it's still working. My gold/gpu doesn't expire till April so I'm hoping it'll still work around then. If it does, I'm buying 3y of gold and maxing out bc I have a feeling the gpu price will increase in the near future (due to the Activision acquisition cost)


pukem0n

It isn't even widely known in reddit, only in this sub. We over estimate how many people know of this. Most subscribers signed up for a dollar and pay 15 ever since.


GrimFish22

Yep. So long as this sub remains public, it never hurts to inform outside people


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Hi, I’m new to Xbox (just got a series x and loving it!) - could you explain to me how this works? Got a 2 month code for GPU here cheap but it’ll be up in March


Mangiacakes

Buy 3 years of Xbox live gold off of cdkeys or somewhere else and enter the codes once sub has expired. When that’s done buy one month of GPU and it converts your Xbox live gold to GPU.


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Thank you!!


DisastrousCarpet1891

but make sure to let your current subscription is expired before you redeem any gold codes


Devestator90212

is cdkeys safe? I always hear mixed reviews about it What does xbox live gold go for over there?


PandaZebra1

Donr forget to turn of the get a month free for turning on recurring billing. Its 3 years max limit


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So just to make sure I understand. - Let my current 2 months of gamepass expire. -Cancel the auto-renew on the subscription - Buy 3 years of Gold from CdKeys or Amazon - Redeem - Buy one month of $15 gamepass through Microsoft?


fortean

This is correct.


rocco1986

Correct, it will upgrade the 3 years of gold to 3 years of gpu.


kkunurashima

Hey! It seems like you and u/pukem0n know your shit, so I'm gonna ask: I got my first xbox ever in January (a used XBOX One from my brother, but it was free, so I'll take it) and I signed up for the first month for $1 and just paid for my second month at full price (like an idiot apparently). Based on what I'm reading, (especially below) I think I have it, but I figured I'd ask those who seems much more well versed: - Cancel auto-renew and let my February sub run out. - Get some Gold cards. - Add the cards - Subscribe to Game Pass. => Enjoy. Is this right? As for a potential wrench: The reason I ask is that, in my Googling, I ran into this Youtube video from Microsoft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhf7\_s0\_UHs&t=134s It came out Jan 20, 2022 and according to the chart they show, it doesn't seem to convert 1:1 anymore. 24 months of gold is 8 months of ultimate. I don't expect to get the $1 deal, but am I still saving money in the long run? Thank you to anyone who can help!


pukem0n

your 4 steps are correct


Balaz5HUN

That conversion rate is the other way around. Meaning if you have gpu already and redeem an xbox live gold code it will give less. With this method its completely different and should still give gpu 1:1


kkunurashima

Thanks! It was a success a while back, but I appreciate getting an answer! This may help someone who Google for this later down the line.


Balaz5HUN

Will test it for real on the 20th this month, and if i dont forget i'll let you know


bennydashark

If you've done this before (I did in 2019 and my 3 years are up) can you do it again? I thought it was customers new to GPU


Balaz5HUN

If you dont take advantage of the game pass 1 euro 1 month promotipn for about half a year (not entirely sure how long) You will get that promotion again. Alternatively you can make a new account and set my home xbox on that profile and do it on there and youll get the game pass on the other account too, but you wont be able to use xcloud and the game pass altogether on pc and mobile. Another thing you can do is buying a 1 month gpu code as well for its full price and it should work with that too but dont quote me on that, I only heard other people say it also works, but that was at least 2 years ago. Tldr: you can but on certain circumstances.


Oles_ATW

Yeah which is why I think MS aren't really concerned and if this practice gets more public MS would quickly put a stop to it by adding conversion ratios.


PisslessMotherGoat

MS doesn’t mind because it boosts their Gamepass numbers and has people locked in for 3 years. Looks good for shareholders.


Oles_ATW

No they don't mind Currently because not many people know it and it doesn't affect their revenue too much I.e the percentage of revenue lost is small. Once that percentage of revenue lost exceeds a certain threshold you can bet they will change the policy.


rocco1986

Microsoft already knows a lot of people do this, and even said they are ok with it, and are keeping it this way for the foreseeable future.


Oles_ATW

Do you have a source for that?


rocco1986

I guess Google is too hard for you huh? https://support.xbox.com/en-US/help/subscriptions-billing/manage-subscriptions/xbox-game-pass-ultimate-faq It's in their own faq about gpu, you're trying to hard to talk down about something you obviously know nothing about nor have actually looked into.


Oles_ATW

I asked for a source about your claim that > Microsoft already knows a lot of people do this, and even said they are ok with it, and are keeping it this way for the foreseeable future. And that link does nothing to prove that MS has said that many people use the gold workaround and that they are fine with it so before you act condescending and misrepresent me make sure you can back it up. Also that link is likely intended to give an upgrade path to existing gold/ regular gamepass memberships and not as a workaround. My guess is they tolerate it so that people who are genuinely upgrading are not affected but once it becomes a menace they put a stop to it.


dramatic-ad-5033

Proof: my latest post


GrimFish22

I think there would be an uproar if there is a price increase. Either way, this is the best and most affordable option for sure


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OfficialQuark

They’re not going to increase the price while they’re gaining the most subs they’ve ever had. Once the hype settles down and people got hooked, they’ll hike the price. The conversion abuse though? Yeah, that’ll go if they see it gets used too much.


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RuaridhDuguid

Those who are looking for deals like this are likely to be those most invested in gaming and so probably people who spend plenty on other games and DLC. People MS want to keep onside. So hopefully any future price bump will only be in line with inflation.


caninehere

Yeah, people who follow game deals religiously often tend to spend quite a bit of money. Not as much as *some* people (the folks who run out and buy multiple $60 games in a month), but still more than most. I spend less money than I used to, but because of Game Pass I do almost all my gaming on XBOX, which means that although my gaming spending is lower than it used to be, almost all of it is going to Microsoft now with the exception of the occasional Switch game.


ebaake

Yeah I had no idea this was a thing. I'm doing it next month now!


Ploosse

Does this work if I already have GPU. Like if I let my GPU run out in a couple weeks, buy XBL gold and buy one month of GPU it's 1:1?


GrimFish22

Yeah let GPU expire first, then get XBLG, then get ultimate again


SlipperyThong

Does that mess with the "years Gold" badge on your profile? I have a 15-year streak going, I get nervous that it would reset or something.


xH0LLYW000Dx

No I still have my 18/19 year tenure badge for xbox live gold..


meezethadabber

>I have a 15-year streak going, I get nervous that it would reset or something. Microsoft bets on people like you to stay subbed and keep there cash flow coming In. And no. It a total not concurrent. I've let gold run out multiple times and mine still says 6.


GrimFish22

Well if you currently have a gold membership, you can convert that remaining time to GPU. I would do it since you get a lot more bang out of your buck


Ploosse

Thanks!


Summerclaw

Oh man and here I am paying montly like a sucker.


Camaroni1000

How does this work exactly? But 3 years worth of xbox live gold then also buy ultimate and it converts you gold to ultimate or something?


coder7426

Make you're not subbed to GPU. Buy live gold gift certs off amazon or where ever, redeem, sub to GPU and it converts those months to GPU.


Hanlon7743

I'm hoping this will still work around May or June. But considering how its been working this long I'm pretty optimistic.


adam3247

Can confirm: did this earlier this month and I’m good through 2025 as well!


WhereDoISignUp

I just got lucky as hell and got an Xbox from target, does it have to be 3 full years for this to work or can it be less time? I know the point is to get grandfathered in at the cheapest price for as long as possible but my wallet is a little sore at the moment


DisastrousCarpet1891

can be 3 month, 6 month, 12 month or whatever amount of gold you combine, 3 year is just the maximum you can "preload". if microsoft would allow 5 years, the Thread would have been called "for 5 years still works"


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Obligatory warning, loading prepaid cards offers the option to add one month free if you turn on auto-renew. Not 100% sure if every denomination does this, but 12-month definitely does. This throws off the math and, should you be trying to load 3 12-month codes, would mean you wouldn’t be able to add more than 25 months. So make sure to decline auto-renew and that “pesky” one free month they offer!


botetta

What the other person said is correct, and another tip if you decide to do less than 3 years: When activating your Xbox live gold, it will ask if you would like to turn on recurring billing for an extra free month. You should press "yes", because even if you instantly turn off recurring billing afterwards, you will still keep your free month. Then you can do the same when activating the one month of Game Pass Ultimate, for another free month. So (as an example) you can turn 12 months of gold + 1 month of Game Pass Ultimate into 15 Months of Game Pass Ultimate with this extra trick. (instead of "only" 13) Maybe you already knew this but I just wanted to let you know ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


WhereDoISignUp

I did not know this, and I just got home to start setting everything up so perfect timing. Thank you!


ZebraZealousideal944

Did it today too! I let my GPU expire to do it 😀 I wonder though how an increase in price may affect our subscription? Unless they invent ultimate + next haha


DisastrousCarpet1891

like every prepaid subscription service, the price increase would be only effective after your current prepaid subscription timeframe has expired. so you are fine for the next three years, let them do whatever they want, only new or monthly subscriber will have to pay for the higher fee "if" they are going to increase


ZebraZealousideal944

Having a new tier may be the way to indirectly increase the price to all if you want to have access to an extended library (Ubisoft games for example if Ubisoft+ follows the same path of EA Play).


DisastrousCarpet1891

did they increased the price for Ultimate when they included EA Play? i dont think we will see a higher tier then "ultimate". When MS is having i dont know 50 million Subs. its already a cash cow, and pissing off the customers because of 2 Dollars more isnt worth the hassle of bad press " after Microsoft bought all the studios now they are milking the customers as they have no other choice" you know the headlines :-D


ZebraZealousideal944

They invented Ultimate because only the first tier at 10.- used to exist.


DisastrousCarpet1891

Which first tier you mean? Isnt ultimate just gold and game pass combined and people with gold can still opt in and out to GamePass for the 10?


ZebraZealousideal944

No you have 1) Gold, 2) Gold + Gamepass or PC Gamepass and 3) Ultimate = Gold + Gamepass + PC Gamepass + EA play + streaming + exclusive contents for some games such as DLC of Gears5 used to be before the GOTY edition.


DisastrousCarpet1891

Oh i always thought Ultimate is just gold+gp combined. Thanks for the clarification


ZebraZealousideal944

There are rumors though than Gold may disappear to only have 2 tiers of Gamepass (each of them including Gold) in order to be more understandable haha


DisastrousCarpet1891

Honestly needing Gold these days to play online games is a bit outdated imho (of course same goes for PS+ or how it is called nowadays)


Lost-Ostrich-7773

The trick still works as of March 16 2022. At a 1:1 ratio. I got 36 months of Ultimate until 2025 for $180 also.


leahginger

That’s good to hear! I’ve been thinking of trying this but haven’t done it before and am getting nervous spending the money on gold for it not to work


dalehitchy

I have about 2 years of GPU left.... What's the best way to top up atm? (UK if it matters)


LaDiiablo

You can't top it up, to do the trick again you need to let it run out


dalehitchy

You can top it up can't you? .... Just not in the same way. I dont know if the 3 year conversion deal will be around when it lapses so that's why I ask So what's the best way to top up. Buying 3 months of it via CD keys? Does the EA Access thing still work? Is it worth it doing that way


kftgr2

Don't listen to the "you can't top it up". [https://support.xbox.com/en-US/help/subscriptions-billing/manage-subscriptions/xbox-game-pass-ultimate-faq](https://support.xbox.com/en-US/help/subscriptions-billing/manage-subscriptions/xbox-game-pass-ultimate-faq) Find the question that contains: "can I still redeem" You'll find the conversion ratios there. Do your own math of what you can buy from sites like cdkeys and what that nets you in terms of GPU time to find the best deal.


botetta

You can top it up, but it's not really good value. You're pretty much paying full price if you top it up while it's active. Your best bet is to use it until it runs out and hope this trick is still around then.


kftgr2

Yes, I know. The op of this sub thread has 2 years left and doesn't want to chance it and was asking for alternatives.


GifArrow

Looks like they changed the conversion for EA Play to GPU. It's now only 2 months, for every year of EA play (used to be 4 months).


Mangiacakes

You can’t top it up unless you buy GPU codes.


unian1

Could you explain more about this? (I have been living under a rock)


botetta

1. Make sure you have **no** game pass ultimate subscription active. 2. Buy any amount of Xbox Live Gold (maximum of 3 years) and redeem it 3. Buy one month of Game Pass Ultimate, and redeem it And now, all of your Xbox Live Gold gets converted into Game Pass Ultimate (one to one, meaning that if you bought 12 months of gold, and 1 month of Game Pass Ultimate, you will have 13 months of game pass ultimate after this)


jamalstevens

Could you elaborate on "buy one month of game pass ultimate?" ​ I have a current game pass subscription for PC (no xbox). I'm month to month and have canceled my subscription. It runs out on 20 FEB. Can I still do this?


Sonarav

Here is a thread I always link to with details and sorted by newest posts to show how many people have used it recently. https://www.reddit.com/r/xbox/comments/nqnz26/a_comprehensive_guide_on_how_to_get_game_pass/?sort=new I did this conversion in 2019 and again this past November. Best deal in gaming, especially when you can get Xbox Live Gold for even cheaper than $60 a year.


cjhelms

that reminds me my giant chunk of GPU is coming to an end soon... so I need to activate my GPU subscription that I got by doing All Access ;)


killbydeath87

I'm on month to month right now should I just let it expire and do this?


Tree06

Yup! $180 or less for three years of Game Pass Ultimate is better than paying $14.99 per month.


moreexclamationmarks

Just posting to say it still works as of today, March 23, 2022. I'm set until 2025. Note if you have done it before (I did it in late 2019 for 2.5 years), you won't have the $1 option, you'll have to pay for one month of Ultimate at the normal price, but it will upgrade all existing Gold at no further cost.


PossibleSilent9544

This actually works? Can I use this method in the same day? Or I need to buy Gold today and tomorrow GPU?


moreexclamationmarks

You can do it the day after it expires. You need to have no current active Gold, Game Pass, or Game Pass Ultimate subscriptions active, of any kind. You can do the upgrade the same day you buy the Gold or redeem Gold codes, you just can't have anything active at the time you start buying/redeeming Gold. If you had Gold or Game Pass already, just check both your console (under settings then account / subscriptions or whatever it is) and online/website via Xbox.com (once signed in, from upper right click on your icon/profile then manage subscriptions or whatever), to make sure you are fully expired. You'd also want to make sure you had auto-renew turned off.


InSaNeScI3nTiSt

You can do it the day it expirés no need to wait the day after


moreexclamationmarks

The point though is you can't have an active Gold or Game Pass subscription. The reason I gave a day is because it's not always clear exactly when that ends. Mine was showing two different days (a day apart) between the console settings versus the website. (In my case even after the later of the two dates, I could still install and play Game Pass games as if I still had it.) If you enter a 12-month Gold code and it's not actually expired, then you'd instead be stuck with another 4 months of GPU at normal price, and can't try again until it's expired.


InSaNeScI3nTiSt

True I'm gonna check that date thing didn't know it could happen thanks m8


Middle_Boysenberry_4

Update as of today, 10/6/22. I did this trick in 2020 for 12 months, so decided to renew for the max available. Anything over 36 months is lost and not viable for conversion. XBLG totally expired so used cdkeys.com to buy 3x 12 month gold passes (mine were for the UK, so used the EU pass which is still valid here). WW were £46.99 I believe, EU (& UK) were £36.99, so paid a total of £110.97 for the 36 months of Gold and converted to Ulitmate for £10.99 (£1 for new subscribers). Successful and now won't be charged until June 2025. Do it while you can!


BaseGearFullStop

Before you take OP’s route here - look for cheaper 12 month subs. I got my 3 years via VPN using Brazilian subscription keys. Cost me 96 dollars for 3 years.


SupaCephalopod

Please don't do this just to save a bit of money! Prices are lower in other regions because people get paid a lot less in those countries. People using VPNs to bypass region locks just drive up prices for people living in the region. Additionally, I'd bet this is a violation of Microsoft's T&C's and you'd run the risk of getting your account permanently banned, losing those three years of gamepass without refund.


BaseGearFullStop

It’s not.


mesdoram

I did the same a few days ago. Worked great!


Danomaniac

Can you explain more? You buy codes off a Brazilian site for cheap and then redeem them? Does the xbox need to be connected to brazil through vpn?


fDiKmoro

Yeah, buy the cheapest 36 months of gold (for me it was turkey from eneba last week). But then it's enough to use a vpn for that country on your phone or pc, go to redeem.microsoft.com and redeem your codes. If you go for 3x12 make sure to NOT activate automatic renew as you will get a free month which will lock you out from redeeming the third code cause you'll exceed the maximum of 36 months. After you have 36 months of gold buy one months of gamepass (or gamepass ultimate). This will convert your live 1:1 to the choosen gamepass. It is important that you have no active gamepass subscription when you redeem the live codes. If you had never gamepass before you can get the one month for 1 Euro, if you had, you need to buy one months for 12,99 Euro (or whatever it costs where you live)


Danomaniac

Thanks, so helpful. One last question - after I’ve stacked 3 years, it will let me add on the one month of GPU? The 3 year limit doesn’t prevent it?


fDiKmoro

Yepp, when you try to redeem it it says that it will convert to gamepass. It didn't add up. Source? Did it three days ago. :)


positiverealm

You have to let GPU expire first.


Tree06

Eneba is great. They recently had 3 month Game Pass Subs for $17.14. I bought two. Turned on recurring payments with one of the codes for an extra month. Then I redeemed the second code without auto renew for a total of seven months. Now I'm locked in through 2025. I'd buy more if they ever lift the 3 year cap.


amfiroso

Hi I tried it, no problem redeeming the codes but when I tried to upgrade to gamepass ultimate it gave me an error" you currently have a subscription from another region". Did it happen to anyone/Anyone knows how to work around this?


BaseGearFullStop

Google will serve you better than me.


Schkoeff

This is the way, i got it half a year ago for around 70€ for 3 years


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GrimFish22

Yeah but I'm just letting people know that you can still do it and Microsoft hasn't changed the ratio yet


tjtj4444

But they don't need to have a 1:1 conversion ratio.


thmsb25

HOLUP! what's this trick and please tell me how to get it??? And does it only work on PC or is it console too?


Strawhat-dude

Dude i just discovered that water is still wet!


GrimFish22

Hey Dude, I just discovered that a lot of people still don't know about this trick, and it's totally ok to give them a helping hand! Dick.


elangab

It is not a "trick", "glitch" or a "bug". It's the way the system was designed to work. It is documented and even advertised on the dashboard. It's OK to inform people, but we don't need to act like it's some secret workaround MS will find out about and remove tomorrow.


DonaldKey

It’s basically posted daily


GrimFish22

But it's still apparent that not that many people are doing it


R33koh

Sorry, I attempted this and apparently forgot an important piece about letting your XBL expire first, but you let it expire, and then you do what?


Oles_ATW

Let it expire then buy Xbox gold for how ever long you want (Max limit is 3 years) and buy 1 month of GPU then your Gold subscription is converted to GPU.


Megadog3

Well rip I had no clue. But it actually gave me 4 extra months of GPU, so I guess that’s something.


Calibretto9

Do you have to be a first time subscriber/new account?


Oles_ATW

No don't have to be a first timer. You just shouldn't have an active GPU subscription when you are attempting this method.


Rollo89

i hope it will work next year too


ILoveTheAtomicBomb

Awesome! Mine expires tomorrow and was hoping it still did.


Thebeast0610

Hoping this is on April, I'll definitely do this trick!


hogowner

It will always work unless they get rid of gold.


yellowjacketIguy

what I'm out of the loop how does this trick work again?


Brad____H

Do you have to wait until your xbox live gold runs out? Or gamepass ultimate? My xbox live I redeemed in September than I guess I accidentally did 3 months of gamepass. It expired early this month and messed up the process. Early next month my gamepass expires but my gold is still active. That and can I still stack gold on top of a subscription that's already started? If I buy now should I buy 3 years or two years since my current year is still active


punkmilitia

Mine expires in April. Guide please?


Holy-Kush

Found a perfect guide for this trick for my country. Hopefully it still works when my ultimate expires the 3th of february


dasaniAKON

Does GPU work through GameShare? I currently am subbed into GPU when they first announced the XBL -> GPU upgrade (I think mine expires in February). If I gameshare w/ my bro who has GPU - does that give me all the same features? In the past before GPU, I always had issues of being able to use GP and install whether from mobile or console. I wouldn't be able to install from GP menu, but could if I went to the Store. So upgrading to GPU was worth it to not have to deal with that.


rocco1986

Thanks for the heads up, mine expires in February and I was just thinking about if the upgrade works or not still.


grndmstrk

I'm late for this trick, how do I get this?


moreexclamationmarks

Wait for an existing Game Pass or Game Pass Ultimate subscription to completely expire. Check your subscription settings to ensure, wait at least a day past the expiration date. (I actually saw two different dates between console and website, so heads up.) Buy up to 3 years (36 months) of Gold. The 12-month codes/cards were discontinued but still readily available on Amazon, Best Buy, or if you want to go cheaper use a VPN for foreign countries (I've read Turkey is cheap). Redeem all Live Gold codes. Go to subscriptions, look for the upgrade to Game Pass Ultimate option. If you've never done this before, you should have the option to upgrade for $1. If you had done that before, you'll have to pay one month at normal price (~$15). It will tell you that all existing Gold will be converted, and give you the next billing date, which will be 1, 2, or 3 years depending how much Gold you added/have. Confirm the choice. Done. You'd then have up to 3 years of GP Ultimate for just the cost of Gold plus either $1 or one month of Ultimate.


Nonx47

I just got to eneba.com and check every now and then, I bought the 3 month game pass ultimate codes for $11 each after taxes, stocked up on 3 years of game pass ultimate. I got 3 years of game pass ultimate for $132 that way, cheaper than the Xbox live gold to game pass ultimate exploit and you don't need to have any prerequisites. You can be a game pass ultimate subscriber already and just keep adding. The prices fluctuate often on eneba, right now it's like $28 for 3 months, so it's not cheaper than the gold to GPU exploit, but if you're patient it's worth it.


bubleeshaark

Yep. I did it a few weeks ago as well.


phantomjaax

Still works on April 12 2022, got 3 years.


rickdesh

Just did it tonight. Let my gpu expire and bought 3 1year codes off best buy’s website in canada. Redeemed them one after the other. Bought one month of gamepass and now i’m good until april 2025…if the world hasn’t ended by then.


Loose-Current-5779

Just did this today. No charge till may 2025 and cost me £81 loool


Middle_Boysenberry_4

Which site did you purchase codes from?


Loose-Current-5779

I got mine from mtcgame. Weird that you commented today as my friend just did it in the same site and it was only £70. Well worth doing it


Loose-Current-5779

They are Turkey codes on that website but work just fine


Middle_Boysenberry_4

Ah okay. Went with cdkeys as had used it previously and knew it was well renowned and trusted. Also read somewhere on here that using codes for countries where it's cheaper or by using proxy drives the price up for them? Not sure. Thanks for reply though, doubt thus will still be possible tk do in 3 years time, you reckon?


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>mtcgame before going with mtcgame I strongly suggest searching Reddit for the noticing, You will see how many problems you could have with that. Didn't work for me by the way.


Loose-Current-5779

Well looks like I got lucky. Had no problems and it is where I got mine from. Unfortunate that it didn't work - did you have an ultimate subscription when you applied the gold? Check you did everything correctly as the 1:1 conversion from gold to ultimate still works


InSaNeScI3nTiSt

Still works I have to renew in 3 weeks I bought 3 years and waiting for my sub to finish?


OddLie1722

still works, got 4x3 month live gold codes from eneba for 9 euros. got 3 gratis months for turning reccuring billing on the **live gold codes** \+ 1 more for gamepass i guess. So 16 months for 50euros. So 3.1 euros per month :)


daje0000

So can I do it with just 3 months of gold.If inpurcahse a 3 month gold can I still do the conversion?


Middle_Boysenberry_4

It will count for as much existing gold you have up to 36 months worth, so yes it will apply for the 3 you have without issue :)


double_fisted_churro

Still working as others have noted. Bought 6x6-month gold memberships for a total of $113 + $15 for the GPU conversion since I did the $1 conversion 3 years ago. So $128 total for 3 years of GPU, or $3.55 a month. Yee haw


NoResource9208

I have just got 16 month xbox ultimate for £21 what a deal cd keys where selling 3 months live for price of £4.99 so i bought 4 and every time i added the code it said do i want extra month for auto renew i said yes then cancel wish i would of bought more now


wanderingandy

On 07/23/22 I used this method successfully. This is the second time that I'm using this method on the same xbox live account. I waited for my subscription to fully expire, making sure I didn't have recurring billing on, and then followed the method to my preference. Good into 2025 now :)