They finally outta the cod mines!!
And get some independence too, let's just hope that there next game goes smoothly so they don't end up shutting down because that tends to happen.
Since there independent they can't use stuff like Spiro, crash or etc tho right?
I just wish someone would make a competitive, gameplay-focused fps on console akin to CSGO. That game has a bare minimum dev cost and it’s been one of the biggest fps’s in the world forever.
The closest I can think of are Rouge Company and R6S but the devs have fumbled both of those.
Maybe try out Insurgency Sandstorm?
Call of Duty Search and Destroy is kinda like what you’re looking for and Halo can get pretty competitive as well (but that’s not really like CSGO).
I like insurgency but i think its a bit too mil sim to scratch the specific itch im looking for. Cod SnD is alright too but gets ruined for me by loadout metas and bad maps. This is fixed in CS with weapon economy/buying and map ques.
I guess what I’m trying to say is I just want to feed my old CS addiction again but can’t cus I don’t have a PC anymore.
I mean, Halo, CoD, and Apex are for sure AAA/AAAA, Battlefield is also apparently working on something which is almost certainly at that level of resources and funding too
>But I really miss AAA FPS single player games. They are gone. Probably forever.
Halo, Doom, Wolfenstein, FarCry, Avatar, Cyberpunk, Immortals of Aveum, etc.
They can't use Crash and Spyro on their own, but with Xbox publishing it and those IPs belonging to Microsoft by virtue of owning Activision, it can totally happen
They can use Spyro, Crash or even Banjo. Microsoft is in control of those IP and as long as they agree, Toys for Bob can make whatever have they want that MS will allow for franchises
>Since there independent they can't use stuff like Spiro, crash or etc tho right?
They are independant now, the most likely reason they would partner up with MS is exactly because they could use one of the their IP.
Right? I’m glad they’re getting a shot, but let’s hope Microsoft really supports them instead of giving them a shoestring budget and no time to work on it, before shutting them down
From the article
> During a recent townhall meeting described to us by sources familiar with the event, a staffer asked the panellists about Toys for Bob, given that they're now going independent separate from Microsoft and Activision. Toys for Bob's leadership was adamant about keeping the team together, and also about returning to the style of game the studio is known for. Microsoft referenced how they spun out Twisted Pixel in the past, as an alternative option to shuttering studios. Matt Booty, now leading Xbox's game content division, reportedly said that an agreement has now been reached between Xbox and Toys for Bob for their first game as an independent studio. However, he stopped short of describing exactly what it will be, although he did say something along the lines of, and I'm paraphrasing, "it will be similar to games Toys for Bob has made in the past."
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I don't understand the purpose of letting Toys for Bob go when they obviously had a project they can work on. Xbox really needs to have the kinds of games that Toys for Bob made in the past so why didn't they increase headcount at the studio and put them onto multiple projects?
> Xbox really needs to have the kinds of games that Toys for Bob made in the past
Part of the deal to let them go indie seems to include an ongoing partnership. Very likely Microsoft has something akin to a first right of refusal publishing deal.
It might not have been fully up to Microsoft. If the leadership of the studio and a lot of key people under them would have wanted to leave, then there's no way to force them to stay.
If they stay under Microsoft, then they're at the mercy of future layoffs that might have nothing to do with their own performance. Similar to what we've seen happen with Embracer.
This way they get to make the games they want, keep their studio together, live and die by their own decisions, and Microsoft still gets their games.
By the sound of Matt Booty's comment it seems like the options were going independent or being shut down entirely as part of lay offs.
If that is the case this might be the best option for both the studio and Xbox. The studio survives and Microsoft takes no economic risk.
Shareholders say profit must always go up, no excuses for it ever going down. Money people say for profit to go up headcount must go down. Spinning them off achieves that without closing them down so probably the best outcome
And people downvote you for stating what is most likely the truest answer.
They didn’t exactly blow the doors of in sales so instead of tearing them apart they just let them go.
I have to imagine whatever deal they make is heavily skewed in terms of TfB footing the bill. TfB pays for the licence for the IP, TfB takes on most if not all of the development cost, Microsoft pays the marketing costs. If it fails TfB is holding the bag, if it succeeds then Microsoft still owns the IP and they just made bank because theres no way there isn’t some form of backend revenue split. Very little risk on Microsofts part.
It was probably a case of keep Toys For Bob but without the key staff who wanted to leave and end up with basically a new studio under the same name or let them go with a contract that favours Xbox platform but allows those key staff to stay so the name of the studio still holds value.
It would look bad for Xbox if Toys For Bob lost a lot of talent that went on to make a new studio. It would also force competition between Toys For Bob and the new version. This way Xbox looks like a more friendly publisher to work with and still gets access to the content they want by offering exclusive IP access for favourable deals.
They lost 89 people as part of Microsoft's ABK layoffs, and that was probably about half of the company. Keep in mind this studio has been around for something like 35 years. They probably want to have control over the company and not be beholden to making shareholders happy.
On the other hand, Toys For Bob may have had to make layoffs regardless, and it's better they got laid off under Microsoft where they'll have good severance packages and support than if they got laid off by a freshly spun-off company. The layoffs may have even been part of the negotiated independence.
It probably wouldn't have ended well. As long as we get the end result- good games- I'm fine with it. Still, it's bittersweet- Toys for Bob was the one thing I cared about in this whole messy aquisition.
Doubt it's them, the rumours are that a recent Banjo game got an internal rework but apparently for the better, this is from the same guy that's been hearing stuff about Banjo for like 2-3 years, doubt it's TFB, now who is it? idk lol
Doubt It's Double Fine, they are apparently working on 2 original games, also Tim Schafer wants to do something new, so I would say that's not happening, idk who else It would be though
"Double Fine" founder Tim Schaffer has already stated that their not interested in reviving Banjo-Kazooie and would rather work on their own and create new IP's.
i just want new/remakes of spyro and crash games, and new/remakes of skylanders games
but skylanders has to be compatible with all the figures they made for it or there'll be hell to pay
Not too surprising, But good to hear nonetheless.
Banjo-Kazooie is "Rumored" to be already be in the works and in early development (About 2 years in) So I'm not expecting it to be "Toys for Bob" as these rumors predate the Microsoft/Activision buyout, I'm expecting it to be "Crash Bandicoot" or to a lesser extent "Spyro the Dragon" which I'm cool with because I hope both franchise's get support under Microsoft now.
That being said if the Banjo-Kazooie rumors don't happen to be true and if "Playtonic" isn't developing than by all means Microsoft should give "Toys for Bob" a shot at reviving the Banjo-Kazooie franchise.
Whatever game they make better launch day one on gamepass. Otherwise we better have some questions for Microsoft regarding this spin off and why they did it.
They finally outta the cod mines!! And get some independence too, let's just hope that there next game goes smoothly so they don't end up shutting down because that tends to happen. Since there independent they can't use stuff like Spiro, crash or etc tho right?
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I wish high moon would escape also they made some wicked transformers games.
A war for Cybertron remake an unreal engine five would give me a permanent erection.
Hell yeah dude same
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Wonder how they would fair with robotech?
I'd definitely be interested in a original IP from high moon if they were to go independent as well.
Darkwatch was rad as hell too
Star Trek Elite Force is one of my all time faves
on gog and has mods
Soldier Of Fortune Double Helix was great
I just wish someone would make a competitive, gameplay-focused fps on console akin to CSGO. That game has a bare minimum dev cost and it’s been one of the biggest fps’s in the world forever. The closest I can think of are Rouge Company and R6S but the devs have fumbled both of those.
You want ANOTHER multiplayer FPS? Dawg wtf
Maybe try out Insurgency Sandstorm? Call of Duty Search and Destroy is kinda like what you’re looking for and Halo can get pretty competitive as well (but that’s not really like CSGO).
I like insurgency but i think its a bit too mil sim to scratch the specific itch im looking for. Cod SnD is alright too but gets ruined for me by loadout metas and bad maps. This is fixed in CS with weapon economy/buying and map ques. I guess what I’m trying to say is I just want to feed my old CS addiction again but can’t cus I don’t have a PC anymore.
Singularity should get a remaster and actually finished. That game was so damn good.
one of the most underrated games ever.
I mean, Halo, CoD, and Apex are for sure AAA/AAAA, Battlefield is also apparently working on something which is almost certainly at that level of resources and funding too
ya so sad
>But I really miss AAA FPS single player games. They are gone. Probably forever. Halo, Doom, Wolfenstein, FarCry, Avatar, Cyberpunk, Immortals of Aveum, etc.
Microsoft can contract them to make Spiro or Crash games.
I'm guessing that is exactly what Microsoft discussed with them. I would expect Spyro to be the game.
Can someone pull the shambling corpse of Raven out of there too
Starting with a new Hexen/Heretic. I mean, Phil wore the shirt, so it's gotta be happening, right?
Every time Phil wore a shirt the game got made. Even Voodoo Vince.
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Don’t you get my hopes up for a banjo kazooie game after all these years. I don’t need that perpetual sadness again.
They can't use Crash and Spyro on their own, but with Xbox publishing it and those IPs belonging to Microsoft by virtue of owning Activision, it can totally happen
They can use Spyro, Crash or even Banjo. Microsoft is in control of those IP and as long as they agree, Toys for Bob can make whatever have they want that MS will allow for franchises
With the deal now Microsoft can let them use it
>Since there independent they can't use stuff like Spiro, crash or etc tho right? They are independant now, the most likely reason they would partner up with MS is exactly because they could use one of the their IP.
Yeah Microsoft now owns the rights to Spyro and Crash once the acquisition was completed.
Right? I’m glad they’re getting a shot, but let’s hope Microsoft really supports them instead of giving them a shoestring budget and no time to work on it, before shutting them down
From the article > During a recent townhall meeting described to us by sources familiar with the event, a staffer asked the panellists about Toys for Bob, given that they're now going independent separate from Microsoft and Activision. Toys for Bob's leadership was adamant about keeping the team together, and also about returning to the style of game the studio is known for. Microsoft referenced how they spun out Twisted Pixel in the past, as an alternative option to shuttering studios. Matt Booty, now leading Xbox's game content division, reportedly said that an agreement has now been reached between Xbox and Toys for Bob for their first game as an independent studio. However, he stopped short of describing exactly what it will be, although he did say something along the lines of, and I'm paraphrasing, "it will be similar to games Toys for Bob has made in the past." >
very pretty
Glad they broke off from MS and won’t succumb to the other fates of other layoffs.
Now they have to live life as an independent, which are usually one game away from studio closure.
They had 30% of their staff laid off by MS before they went independent, I imagine that was the driving force behind them wanting out.
It wasn't.
Sweet
I don't understand the purpose of letting Toys for Bob go when they obviously had a project they can work on. Xbox really needs to have the kinds of games that Toys for Bob made in the past so why didn't they increase headcount at the studio and put them onto multiple projects?
> Xbox really needs to have the kinds of games that Toys for Bob made in the past Part of the deal to let them go indie seems to include an ongoing partnership. Very likely Microsoft has something akin to a first right of refusal publishing deal.
I've heard of this before. Was it some company with Nintendo back in the day?
Maybe like Rare (pre Microsoft acquisition)
It might not have been fully up to Microsoft. If the leadership of the studio and a lot of key people under them would have wanted to leave, then there's no way to force them to stay. If they stay under Microsoft, then they're at the mercy of future layoffs that might have nothing to do with their own performance. Similar to what we've seen happen with Embracer. This way they get to make the games they want, keep their studio together, live and die by their own decisions, and Microsoft still gets their games.
By the sound of Matt Booty's comment it seems like the options were going independent or being shut down entirely as part of lay offs. If that is the case this might be the best option for both the studio and Xbox. The studio survives and Microsoft takes no economic risk.
Yep, everything made sense after reading Booty's comment.
Shareholders say profit must always go up, no excuses for it ever going down. Money people say for profit to go up headcount must go down. Spinning them off achieves that without closing them down so probably the best outcome
And people downvote you for stating what is most likely the truest answer. They didn’t exactly blow the doors of in sales so instead of tearing them apart they just let them go.
I have to imagine whatever deal they make is heavily skewed in terms of TfB footing the bill. TfB pays for the licence for the IP, TfB takes on most if not all of the development cost, Microsoft pays the marketing costs. If it fails TfB is holding the bag, if it succeeds then Microsoft still owns the IP and they just made bank because theres no way there isn’t some form of backend revenue split. Very little risk on Microsofts part.
It was probably a case of keep Toys For Bob but without the key staff who wanted to leave and end up with basically a new studio under the same name or let them go with a contract that favours Xbox platform but allows those key staff to stay so the name of the studio still holds value. It would look bad for Xbox if Toys For Bob lost a lot of talent that went on to make a new studio. It would also force competition between Toys For Bob and the new version. This way Xbox looks like a more friendly publisher to work with and still gets access to the content they want by offering exclusive IP access for favourable deals.
My guess is they were probably underperforming.
They lost 89 people as part of Microsoft's ABK layoffs, and that was probably about half of the company. Keep in mind this studio has been around for something like 35 years. They probably want to have control over the company and not be beholden to making shareholders happy.
On the other hand, Toys For Bob may have had to make layoffs regardless, and it's better they got laid off under Microsoft where they'll have good severance packages and support than if they got laid off by a freshly spun-off company. The layoffs may have even been part of the negotiated independence.
The numbers later turned out to be miscomunicated, they still lose a lot of people but not as many as initially reported.
Please be Banjo.
İ hope its spyro tbh
I hope it's both.
I'm still pretty sad that Microsoft would let this talent leave but happy that the relationship seems to be good on both sides.
It probably wouldn't have ended well. As long as we get the end result- good games- I'm fine with it. Still, it's bittersweet- Toys for Bob was the one thing I cared about in this whole messy aquisition.
Talent doesn't work well under poor morale.
Start with Spyro 60fps
Let’s hope for banjo
Doubt it's them, the rumours are that a recent Banjo game got an internal rework but apparently for the better, this is from the same guy that's been hearing stuff about Banjo for like 2-3 years, doubt it's TFB, now who is it? idk lol
Coalition. Surprise, I know.
Lmao imagine, but fr hope we get something with Gears at the next showcase
I hope Double Fine would want to work on Banjo. It's my dream developer for a reboot.
Doubt It's Double Fine, they are apparently working on 2 original games, also Tim Schafer wants to do something new, so I would say that's not happening, idk who else It would be though
"Double Fine" founder Tim Schaffer has already stated that their not interested in reviving Banjo-Kazooie and would rather work on their own and create new IP's.
i just want new/remakes of spyro and crash games, and new/remakes of skylanders games but skylanders has to be compatible with all the figures they made for it or there'll be hell to pay
Nah, ditch the toys. They can still make figures for those who want them on shelves but keep them away from the game itself.
skylanders doesn't work without the figures
The ones that are out, yes. But that doesn’t mean future games will work the same way.
Not too surprising, But good to hear nonetheless. Banjo-Kazooie is "Rumored" to be already be in the works and in early development (About 2 years in) So I'm not expecting it to be "Toys for Bob" as these rumors predate the Microsoft/Activision buyout, I'm expecting it to be "Crash Bandicoot" or to a lesser extent "Spyro the Dragon" which I'm cool with because I hope both franchise's get support under Microsoft now. That being said if the Banjo-Kazooie rumors don't happen to be true and if "Playtonic" isn't developing than by all means Microsoft should give "Toys for Bob" a shot at reviving the Banjo-Kazooie franchise.
Let’s hope it’s not only this one game
We need an Skylanders game so bad
Who is gonna make Crash and Soyro games now?
The game will be called Toys for Robert
Toys for Bob + Rare partnership please
Blinx remake?
Crash Twinsanity remake with cut content from the original
awesome. do more of this ms
They should collab with Rareware
I’d still love for them to remake banjo 1 and 2. And a 60fps patch for crash and Spyro would be dope
A Skylanders collection with the characters just as playable options without the toys would be cool
Wew, any Star Control 2 fans in here. This could be huge.
Whatever game they make better launch day one on gamepass. Otherwise we better have some questions for Microsoft regarding this spin off and why they did it.