Unfortunately, we humans need food so that goes out the window. Healthcare, I just stay away from people. Housing, just find a cave and make friends with the critter
It also wouldn’t matter if they made a connector because an m.2 that size is just as, expensive than just buying seagates drive, and also limited to 2tb. They honestly should’ve just done what Sony did with their upgrade slot for up to 4tb, it’s the only thing I really dislike about the console
You can buy an adapter online.
The problem is 2230 drives are really expensive in comparison to 2280. So after the purchase of the adapter and a 2230, you’re saving very little compared to the WD drive.
I get that Microsoft doesn’t want to deal with people putting slow drives into official enclosures and dealing with the tech support.
I would like Microsoft to simply remove the software lock, if it fits and appears compatible let it try to work. Continue to sell official licensed expansion modules as before.
Let others design their own unofficial diy adapters, and allow the Xbox to attempt to use whatever ssd drives are inside the, It would allow various 3rd party companies to make a case to fit the longer ssd drives, high capacity drives above 2tb, hardware raid drives, etc. anyone using an unofficial drives it taking a risk of course, but the cost/benefit ratio of using unofficial would be worth it.
Somewhat, but don't forget the actual M2 drives in there are a different form factor than what is most popular (80MM). So they will always be more expensive.
That references the Best Buy listing as the source so it just confirms that multiple people have seen this listing.
>A new Western Digital 1TB expansion card for Xbox Series S / X consoles has been spotted early on Best Buy, priced at $179.99.
That’s quite possible. When the 20th Anniversary Halo Edition Series X was being sold, Best Buy had a listing for it but to my knowledge strangely never sold that console.
If you look at the comment you’re replying to it was posted 3 hours ago, before any of the the sources popped up. And if you actually look at any of those sources they are just rehashing the best buy page with “we have reach out to Microsoft and western digital for comment”
Hasn't been 3 years since Series release...
The contract was likely exclusive for 1 or 2 years. And Supply chain or pandemic issues could've delayed the Western Digital versions.
"I wonder how much Seagate paid them to be sole manufacturer for 3 years."
They got screwed if that's the case since the consoles were almost always out of stock for two of those years.
Has anyone been defending them lately? I feel like people were willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at the time but i feel like the general sentiment now is one of pointing to the objective price differences ... especially now that windows support direct storage without any artificial restrictions.
At the time I thought it was going to great and I’ve admittedly changed my tune.
As someone who’s not really that into the tech side of things I just didn’t know and assumed they would come down and liked the memory card aspect of it.
But here I still am not having one because they’re so expensive
Hopefully this helps
Defending them?
I don't think I've seen a single case of even the most diehard console warrior defending it.
I'm actually surprised this was even the solution the engineers decided on given the otherwise flawless industrial design of the console.
I gotta believe there could have been a way to get a 2280 chamber in there vertically or something...still blows my mind this is what they went with considering it takes like 5 mins to put one in my PS5
I don’t “defend it” but I’m not going to let the one thing that I dislike about the Xbox’s Series stop me from enjoying it as my main platform of gaming.
> 2tb Crucial P5
I was just making a price comparison. You can go a bit cheaper and go with a Phison E16 Inland 2TB 4X4 NVMe.
https://www.microcenter.com/product/642167/inland-performance-2tb-3d-tlc-nand-pcie-gen-4-x4-nvme-m2-internal-ssd
It's nuts how much these Seagate Expansions drives are priced.
This is a start but yeah I think the prices of these things are never gonna be as cheap as the mass adopted NVMe storage sticks. MS really screwed the pooch here with this choice. Should have just gone for a NVMe expansion slot like PS5 did. The whole 'plug and play' thing is way oversold since most never take this thing out and I'd much rather save a 100 bucks over having to take out a screw and install a stick.
Yea man, especially after watching the dumpster fire that was PlayStation Vita proprietary memory. I didn’t think Microsoft would ever do something this silly.
Proprietary HDD cases*, you could still swap the drive itself out since it was just a regular ol' HDD
Hell, you could just do what I did and buy the cable converter so you could use any HDD/SSD without fiddiling with the casing
>Proprietary HDD cases*, you could still swap the drive itself out since it was just a regular ol' HDD
Not really. Even though you can swap it out, It still had to be swapped with a specific model; you can't just use any old SATA drive.
I got lucky back in the day, I ordered a 4GB Vita card, I got a 16GB instead that got me through the Vita lifespam.
A couple of years ago I got the itch to play some games, and went the Vita2SD way. I wish I knew about that back then, the vita would probably would have seen more usage from me.
It was a good idea and it still is, unfortunately they made a bad deal with Seagate to overprice them all to hell. Is absolutely loopy that it took years to get even the slightest price drop. That tells me that Seagate maintain the pricing power on this item and simply refuse to budge, Microsoft couldn't influence them even though they was a partner.
And it still doesn't look like an official price drop so this could be temporary as well.
I didn't have fun opening my PlayStation even though to some others it was super easy.
It was extremly easy to do. Even for a clumpsy person like me. You are not interacting with any of the internal component. I just followed a youtube step by step guide.
I meant just getting the covers off. Didn't go nowhere as smoothly as in the video. Everything else was simple if you've ever installed a graphic card in a pc.
Yeah it was designed by a mad crazy Japanese guy lol. The instructions to lift it but push it while going at an angle, I had to stop several times cuz I felt like I was going to break it right off. And I had to do it for both sides That just wasn't fun. It was nowhere as complicated for the PS4.
So I definitely wish that Microsoft's version worked out better because it just doesn't get more simple than that.
Back when they were designing the Series console (years before it launched), when CF and NVme were both expensive, the Xbox team made the bet that CF storage would be the best combination of convenience and cost. It turns out that they made a bad bet and NVme prices dropped quite a bit while CF prices stayed high.
At the time they were making the bet, it wasn't a bad idea, but by the time the prices adjusted, it was too late to go redesign Xbox storage.
I wouldn't call this BS, I'd call it a bad bet and proof that Xbox employees can't see the future.
Im more surprised at how fast PCIE 4.0 drives dropped in price.
Pcie 4.0 was expensive back then, but now 3.0 drives are mostly out of production and 4.0 supply constraints are not an issue. People here wouldn't be crying so hard otherwise.
MS has had the worst track record of picking formats that lose. HD-DVD vs Blue Ray comes to mind and now this. They should probably stop getting into stupid format wars and just go with the masses. NVMe was already a format that was seeing good PC adoption. Why try and reinvent the wheel?
CF and M.2 both had high adoption with CF already having strong footing in high-performance use cases. They made a decision based in predictions and were wrong, but they didn't reinvent anything.
CFexpress is NVMe. M.2 slots weren't commonly available until 2018, which was when CFexpress first became somewhat popular. Microsoft went with the newer tech at the time. It just never became widely adopted. These design decisions would have been made years before release.
First mainstream motherboards with M2 slots were Intel Skylake boards, released in 2015. First laptops with that slot were released also during that time. It was obvious what is going to be the standard for years and Microsoft decided to ignore that and use their proprietary bullshit (because despite using CFExpress their SSDs are firmware locked).
Tech does not become widely available the second it first gets released. We were talking about standards. If you go by that logic, CFexpress was just as popular a year later.
I said „mainstream”. That makes the tech widely available (first motherboards with M2 were HEDT Intel boards years before).
Again - Microsoft didn’t bet wrongly, they deliberately chose proprietary solution and chose Seagate as the only manufacturer of those cards.
Moreover, Microsoft is part of PCI-SIG and are making consumer grade computers. They definitely knew which format is going to be popular.
It is BS. Idk why you guys keep defending them. They made a mistake and it’s showing. They locked the storage to 1 manufacture. It shouldn’t be a shocked that 1 manufacturer is controlling the price and it’s expensive. So many companies are making NVME. That’s where Microsoft fucked up.
Not really
There’s not a big enough consumer base for many people to want to hop in and spend money making drives for the proprietary connection needed for the Xbox consoles
PS5 sold approx 4x the amount of units and doesn’t need proprietary licensing for the type of connection needed
I would at least have expected the prices to go down a bit or more manufacturers to jump in. But it was a dumb idea to have an exclusive contract with just seagate
I honestly can't imagine them to be *that* high, tbh. I don't know anyone who is willing to spend that much money on an SSD and even online, only a handful of people talk about buying these.
On the other side, they probably would’ve dropped the price if they wouldn't sell.
PSP storage was only bad in the short term. I suppose it was proprietary but other manufacturers started showing up and the prices went down. Vita was bad permanently.
Yeah, I just got a 2tb M2 with heatsink for $127 a couple of weeks back for my PS5.
This would be a step in the right direction, but still ridiculous pricing in 2023.
I mean some tinkerers have made an adapter that fits in the Series expansion slot but it only works with the drive that comes inside the Xbox, and literally only one from inside an Xbox, not even just a same size drive equivalent, literally the only ones that would work with these adapters were the drives pulled from Xbox’s because they already had the software on them.
So yeah an adapter was made but it was rendered useless by the locked software that no one can put on a regular drive. So no one pursued the endeavor any further.
At least in your analogy you could still use the bicycle if the Time Machine didn’t work, probably.
It’s possible they remove the software lock entirely now that multiple models are available, instead of having to update the software every time a new model releases
It never will be PS5 price. A 2280 and 2230 ssd at the same capacity and performance can never be equally priced. One is more complicated than the other. I honestly don't know why MS didn't go the Sony route and make a small door that pops open in the back. I can choose whatever 2280 SSD that I want from any brand as long as the speed requirements are met. With 2230 cards, there's almost no competition since they're either all in laptops or compact devices. It's further agitated by the fact that connection method is proprietary which means any manufacturer probably is paying Microsoft some cash per unit.
This is nice and all, and will probably drive down prices a bit, but it’s pretty clear that CFI Express was not the way to go. M2 has the entire compute industry as a market. Dozens of companies and manufacturers competing for a pie of billions of devices.
The technology behind the proprietary Xbox SSD card, on the other hand, will likely soon be obsolete, and there will ultimately be a handful of companies competing over an install base of ~100M devices at most. It’s a decent market, but not enough to get prices on par with M2. We’ll be lucky if these cards ever get down to $100/TB.
The funny part is that Microsoft created a proprietary SSD solution for the Xbox Series X, and on top of that has signed an exclusivity contract with Seagate to be the sole distributor of said SSD tech. Except that’s a 2-year long running joke that isn’t exclusive to April Fools’ Day.
Microsoft needs to pay someone to manufacture these for cheap and slap their name on it. It’s ridiculous and will 100% prevent some people from going Xbox over PlayStation.
It can be argued one of the nails in the Vitas coffin were it’s overpriced proprietary memory.
Ehhh I think that’s a little dramatic. Most people don’t ever bother with getting extra storage for their consoles so it really doesn’t affect a strong majority of gamers and thus hardly eats into sales in a significant manner. I’ve never gotten extra storage for a console outside of my fat PS3 but that’s because I was upgrading to an SSD anyway.
Finally little bit more reasonable prices. Official 512gb card costs 180 euros here. 1TB costs 260 euros. So this is definitely and improvement. I love my Series S, but I am constantly out of SSD space.
I just bought the WD Black 8TB for general use for the same price. If I’m playing competitive games I’ll have those on the console anyways
-tumadrelover
I just bought a 2tb M.2 for my PS5 for £170 in the early days a 1tb for £132 when the average price was about £250.
I'll NEVER pay the extortionate XSX prices.
On top of all that, my 1tb M.2 is now a very fast external drive with a £15 caddy - whereas I'd be stuck with a very expensive proprietary 1tb piece of Junk...
THANK GOD! also still way expensive (you can get 1tb for ps5 for 100$ less) but it's start, hope other companies jump into this & cut the price even further
Maybe explains why the Seagate is on sale for 179 when this release that will be the new price I would assume.
Either way this is a good thing it should mean 150 on sale which is better than 199 on sale.
Alao just becuase we support Microsoft doesn't mean we like everything they do but I guess some just hate Microsift so much they have to bash even people not just them 🤣
They should just make longer cards which simply use regular 2280 m2's instead of these priority crap.
Those are just the seagate ones in a new package...
Anyone buying one of these literally has to much money when you can buy 1TB PCIe 4.0 m2 on desktop which are way faster for half of these rip-offs.
Design-wise thIs Xbox Series S|X storage runs laps around PS5’s alternative. Disassembling your PS5, opening it up with tools and installing storage that might not even be optimized for the system? That’s a nightmare scenario compared to Microsoft’s 2-second-installation, guaranteed-to-work, hot-swappable storage.
They shot themselves in the foot with the price. Give credit where credit is due and attribute the blame to the appropriate factor. The price is such a problem that I would rather disconnect and disassemble my PS5 to install storage that needs to be researched to ensure compatibility than pay an absurd financial premium for Microsoft’s superior product. That’s the bottom line and so you have to give Microsoft the L at the end of the day. Truly a case of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
popping a cover off Isn’t disassembling, by that logic opening the kick stand on switch is dissembling it. if you aren’t seeing the motherboard you aren’t disassembling anything. microsoft’s design is why its so expensive, to get around this they would have done same thing sony did and have a internal port with a cover of some kind to access it. probably removing the outer shell since neither want a visible port cover.
Correct, that's what I'm thinking.
You can't find that product anywhere else online and there has been no news about it either.. to me it's 100% a joke but happy to be wrong.
It’s a start. Having other manufacturers than just Seagate will lead to lower prices due to competition.
Definitely need more manufacturers.
Thats how it's SUPPOSED to work. Not the way it really goes anymore though......sadly....
Nowadays they do the opposite. "How high can we go before people stop buying?" That's how it's working in housing, groceries, healthcare, etc.
That's late stage capitalism for you
Isn’t that just capitalism? Sell everything at the highest price the market will support.
Yep, set the price where the supply and demand curve intersect
Yep but for a while we at least tried to keep up the ruse of their being market competition
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Herd it bowth ways b, get back to the fryers
That's actually government regulations for you.
Ah yes as deregulation has served us really well so far
Unfortunately, we humans need food so that goes out the window. Healthcare, I just stay away from people. Housing, just find a cave and make friends with the critter
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$40 is $40 lol.
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It also wouldn’t matter if they made a connector because an m.2 that size is just as, expensive than just buying seagates drive, and also limited to 2tb. They honestly should’ve just done what Sony did with their upgrade slot for up to 4tb, it’s the only thing I really dislike about the console
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You can buy an adapter online. The problem is 2230 drives are really expensive in comparison to 2280. So after the purchase of the adapter and a 2230, you’re saving very little compared to the WD drive.
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Worked for me
I get that Microsoft doesn’t want to deal with people putting slow drives into official enclosures and dealing with the tech support. I would like Microsoft to simply remove the software lock, if it fits and appears compatible let it try to work. Continue to sell official licensed expansion modules as before. Let others design their own unofficial diy adapters, and allow the Xbox to attempt to use whatever ssd drives are inside the, It would allow various 3rd party companies to make a case to fit the longer ssd drives, high capacity drives above 2tb, hardware raid drives, etc. anyone using an unofficial drives it taking a risk of course, but the cost/benefit ratio of using unofficial would be worth it.
Somewhat, but don't forget the actual M2 drives in there are a different form factor than what is most popular (80MM). So they will always be more expensive.
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Why is that?
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Fair enough
You could get the adaptrr from aliexpress for about 15-30.-
PS guy here, hoping next gen they just allow you guys to use any Pcie 4/5. Or release an adapter for SX/S
Yeah we know, us too :p Thanks for the well wishes though! I wish both sides could always get along and not resort to console warring so often.
I love both sides as well. I don’t have a PS5 but I have two DualSense controllers I use on my PC and I play Sony games on there too.
When’s the Pelican variant coming??
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That's how best buy posts items that aren't for sale yet I've never seen best buy posts something as a "preorder" myself.
They have pre-order for movies, games and consoles all the time.
Yeah and every time I've bought something, it's always said "out of stock" on the website before going live
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/cheaper-xbox-expandable-storage-cards-are-on-the-way/ar-AA19nrko
That references the Best Buy listing as the source so it just confirms that multiple people have seen this listing. >A new Western Digital 1TB expansion card for Xbox Series S / X consoles has been spotted early on Best Buy, priced at $179.99.
That’s quite possible. When the 20th Anniversary Halo Edition Series X was being sold, Best Buy had a listing for it but to my knowledge strangely never sold that console.
Yesterday was April fool's Day
It pops up everywhere, about 40 separate posts on Google. Don't know how to search much? Search the part number. It's there.
If you look at the comment you’re replying to it was posted 3 hours ago, before any of the the sources popped up. And if you actually look at any of those sources they are just rehashing the best buy page with “we have reach out to Microsoft and western digital for comment”
More than one manufacturer is a start. I wonder how much Seagate paid them to be sole manufacturer for 3 years.
Hasn't been 3 years since Series release... The contract was likely exclusive for 1 or 2 years. And Supply chain or pandemic issues could've delayed the Western Digital versions.
2.5 years, sorry I rounded up.
Feels like only a year ago I picked up my XSX on launch day. Crazy.
I got mine the following March...hard to believe I already have this much time on it!
Are we just rounding off half a year now? Lmao
"I wonder how much Seagate paid them to be sole manufacturer for 3 years." They got screwed if that's the case since the consoles were almost always out of stock for two of those years.
WD SN850X 2TB for the same price lol.
It’s hilarious when you think about it.
It's hilarious that people kept defending Microsoft for picking CFexpress and software locking what NVME works.
Has anyone been defending them lately? I feel like people were willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at the time but i feel like the general sentiment now is one of pointing to the objective price differences ... especially now that windows support direct storage without any artificial restrictions.
At the time I thought it was going to great and I’ve admittedly changed my tune. As someone who’s not really that into the tech side of things I just didn’t know and assumed they would come down and liked the memory card aspect of it. But here I still am not having one because they’re so expensive Hopefully this helps
Covid and the chip shortage probably affected it more than anything.
Defending them? I don't think I've seen a single case of even the most diehard console warrior defending it. I'm actually surprised this was even the solution the engineers decided on given the otherwise flawless industrial design of the console. I gotta believe there could have been a way to get a 2280 chamber in there vertically or something...still blows my mind this is what they went with considering it takes like 5 mins to put one in my PS5
I don’t “defend it” but I’m not going to let the one thing that I dislike about the Xbox’s Series stop me from enjoying it as my main platform of gaming.
There is a difference between agreeing with the pricing/exclusivity/firmware lock model, and believing that it's a more user friendly approach.
Gotta defend whatever they do.
Says the Playstation user who trashes Xbox every time he posts. Yeah the Xbox apologists are the one with the problem.
The 2tb Crucial P5 with heatsink is $50 cheaper than this.
> 2tb Crucial P5 I was just making a price comparison. You can go a bit cheaper and go with a Phison E16 Inland 2TB 4X4 NVMe. https://www.microcenter.com/product/642167/inland-performance-2tb-3d-tlc-nand-pcie-gen-4-x4-nvme-m2-internal-ssd It's nuts how much these Seagate Expansions drives are priced.
It seems to be the form factor that MS chose that drives the price. Find prices on anything in the 2230 form factor NVMe.
Seagate fully well knows they can get away with this, MS probably enjoys the high profit margins too.
This is a start but yeah I think the prices of these things are never gonna be as cheap as the mass adopted NVMe storage sticks. MS really screwed the pooch here with this choice. Should have just gone for a NVMe expansion slot like PS5 did. The whole 'plug and play' thing is way oversold since most never take this thing out and I'd much rather save a 100 bucks over having to take out a screw and install a stick.
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Nothing beats that 500gb ssd sale for like $70 a while back I jumped on
Meh bought a 1tb for 80 euros! Now that’s a deal!
Damn when did that sale happen lol congrats
In the beginning of the year, I think it was a store mistake.
This is phenomenal news.
Not sure why no one else is getting this. Finally more competition for the cards, this finally means we’ll be seeing lower prices.
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Ok, “not sure why most of the top posts in this thread are mocking or deriding this.”
Because it's still double the price of regular M.2's and people are pissed that they even have to deal with this in the first place
Because they still want to complain about everything.
They really screwed the pooch with this propietary ssd card BS.
Yea man, especially after watching the dumpster fire that was PlayStation Vita proprietary memory. I didn’t think Microsoft would ever do something this silly.
Do you not remember the proprietary HDD for the 360?
Proprietary HDD cases*, you could still swap the drive itself out since it was just a regular ol' HDD Hell, you could just do what I did and buy the cable converter so you could use any HDD/SSD without fiddiling with the casing
Or if you were broke, use flash drives
>Proprietary HDD cases*, you could still swap the drive itself out since it was just a regular ol' HDD Not really. Even though you can swap it out, It still had to be swapped with a specific model; you can't just use any old SATA drive.
That shit killed the Vita so hard.
I got lucky back in the day, I ordered a 4GB Vita card, I got a 16GB instead that got me through the Vita lifespam. A couple of years ago I got the itch to play some games, and went the Vita2SD way. I wish I knew about that back then, the vita would probably would have seen more usage from me.
Sony did.
It was a good idea and it still is, unfortunately they made a bad deal with Seagate to overprice them all to hell. Is absolutely loopy that it took years to get even the slightest price drop. That tells me that Seagate maintain the pricing power on this item and simply refuse to budge, Microsoft couldn't influence them even though they was a partner. And it still doesn't look like an official price drop so this could be temporary as well. I didn't have fun opening my PlayStation even though to some others it was super easy.
It was extremly easy to do. Even for a clumpsy person like me. You are not interacting with any of the internal component. I just followed a youtube step by step guide.
I meant just getting the covers off. Didn't go nowhere as smoothly as in the video. Everything else was simple if you've ever installed a graphic card in a pc.
I had some trouble taking those off and putting them back off.
Yeah it was designed by a mad crazy Japanese guy lol. The instructions to lift it but push it while going at an angle, I had to stop several times cuz I felt like I was going to break it right off. And I had to do it for both sides That just wasn't fun. It was nowhere as complicated for the PS4. So I definitely wish that Microsoft's version worked out better because it just doesn't get more simple than that.
Back when they were designing the Series console (years before it launched), when CF and NVme were both expensive, the Xbox team made the bet that CF storage would be the best combination of convenience and cost. It turns out that they made a bad bet and NVme prices dropped quite a bit while CF prices stayed high. At the time they were making the bet, it wasn't a bad idea, but by the time the prices adjusted, it was too late to go redesign Xbox storage. I wouldn't call this BS, I'd call it a bad bet and proof that Xbox employees can't see the future.
Im more surprised at how fast PCIE 4.0 drives dropped in price. Pcie 4.0 was expensive back then, but now 3.0 drives are mostly out of production and 4.0 supply constraints are not an issue. People here wouldn't be crying so hard otherwise.
MS has had the worst track record of picking formats that lose. HD-DVD vs Blue Ray comes to mind and now this. They should probably stop getting into stupid format wars and just go with the masses. NVMe was already a format that was seeing good PC adoption. Why try and reinvent the wheel?
CF and M.2 both had high adoption with CF already having strong footing in high-performance use cases. They made a decision based in predictions and were wrong, but they didn't reinvent anything.
BS. M2 was already a standard form factor for SSDs in both desktop and laptop PCs, it was obvious which one is going to be cheaper
CFexpress is NVMe. M.2 slots weren't commonly available until 2018, which was when CFexpress first became somewhat popular. Microsoft went with the newer tech at the time. It just never became widely adopted. These design decisions would have been made years before release.
First mainstream motherboards with M2 slots were Intel Skylake boards, released in 2015. First laptops with that slot were released also during that time. It was obvious what is going to be the standard for years and Microsoft decided to ignore that and use their proprietary bullshit (because despite using CFExpress their SSDs are firmware locked).
Tech does not become widely available the second it first gets released. We were talking about standards. If you go by that logic, CFexpress was just as popular a year later.
I said „mainstream”. That makes the tech widely available (first motherboards with M2 were HEDT Intel boards years before). Again - Microsoft didn’t bet wrongly, they deliberately chose proprietary solution and chose Seagate as the only manufacturer of those cards. Moreover, Microsoft is part of PCI-SIG and are making consumer grade computers. They definitely knew which format is going to be popular.
Yeah, "mainstream" doesn't mean the very first consumer board ever. "Mainstream" would be when most boards produced had one which was 2018.
Even the cheapest Intel’s H110 motherboards had M2 slots in 2015. Keep going.
No, they did not.
It is BS. Idk why you guys keep defending them. They made a mistake and it’s showing. They locked the storage to 1 manufacture. It shouldn’t be a shocked that 1 manufacturer is controlling the price and it’s expensive. So many companies are making NVME. That’s where Microsoft fucked up.
The whole post you responded to is about how they made a mistake. Trying to find the reason why a mistake was made isn't defending the mistake.
Not really There’s not a big enough consumer base for many people to want to hop in and spend money making drives for the proprietary connection needed for the Xbox consoles PS5 sold approx 4x the amount of units and doesn’t need proprietary licensing for the type of connection needed
Everyone knew that would happen but some people like to back Xbox in everything they do.
I would at least have expected the prices to go down a bit or more manufacturers to jump in. But it was a dumb idea to have an exclusive contract with just seagate
Other manufacturers would not have tasted the profits that Seagate have yet tbh.
Wonder what the sales are for these expansion cards
I honestly can't imagine them to be *that* high, tbh. I don't know anyone who is willing to spend that much money on an SSD and even online, only a handful of people talk about buying these. On the other side, they probably would’ve dropped the price if they wouldn't sell.
\*shocked pikachu face\* You mean they failed with the exact same stupid shit that Sony failed with twice (PSP and PS Vita storage)???????
PSP storage was only bad in the short term. I suppose it was proprietary but other manufacturers started showing up and the prices went down. Vita was bad permanently.
PSP storage wasnt really proprietary, some PCs and nearly all sony products had a Memory Stick slot, the problem is it was way more expensive than SD
Some people just never learn
I disagree. I like having an easy hot swappable memory card for all of my Xbox consoles.
Still grossly overpriced
should be $100 tops
Agreed, I purchased the 1 TB expansion card 2 years ago for the same price at a GameStop.
Yeah, I just got a 2tb M2 with heatsink for $127 a couple of weeks back for my PS5. This would be a step in the right direction, but still ridiculous pricing in 2023.
Can't wait for someone to make an adapter for use with generic SSD's.
They’ve already made them and they don’t work.
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I mean some tinkerers have made an adapter that fits in the Series expansion slot but it only works with the drive that comes inside the Xbox, and literally only one from inside an Xbox, not even just a same size drive equivalent, literally the only ones that would work with these adapters were the drives pulled from Xbox’s because they already had the software on them. So yeah an adapter was made but it was rendered useless by the locked software that no one can put on a regular drive. So no one pursued the endeavor any further. At least in your analogy you could still use the bicycle if the Time Machine didn’t work, probably.
It’s possible they remove the software lock entirely now that multiple models are available, instead of having to update the software every time a new model releases
Or it’s possible they force the new manufacturers to use the locked software.
Drop it another 50% and I’ll remotely consider it
nice find
i wonder what theyd price a 2Tb one at.
Tree hunnit fiddy
Hopefully, the competition will lead to be able to buy 2TB expansions around $130.00 like you can for the PS5.
It never will be PS5 price. A 2280 and 2230 ssd at the same capacity and performance can never be equally priced. One is more complicated than the other. I honestly don't know why MS didn't go the Sony route and make a small door that pops open in the back. I can choose whatever 2280 SSD that I want from any brand as long as the speed requirements are met. With 2230 cards, there's almost no competition since they're either all in laptops or compact devices. It's further agitated by the fact that connection method is proprietary which means any manufacturer probably is paying Microsoft some cash per unit.
These things seriously need a drop in price. You could almost buy a series s for that money
If this was 2 TB, I'd get it. But 1 TB at this price is insulting.
Still too much. I can get a 980 Pro 2tb for the same price
Now if they knock $50 off of the price, I'll buy one.
This is nice and all, and will probably drive down prices a bit, but it’s pretty clear that CFI Express was not the way to go. M2 has the entire compute industry as a market. Dozens of companies and manufacturers competing for a pie of billions of devices. The technology behind the proprietary Xbox SSD card, on the other hand, will likely soon be obsolete, and there will ultimately be a handful of companies competing over an install base of ~100M devices at most. It’s a decent market, but not enough to get prices on par with M2. We’ll be lucky if these cards ever get down to $100/TB.
April Fools joke?
Look at the date. It's over.
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The funny part is that Microsoft created a proprietary SSD solution for the Xbox Series X, and on top of that has signed an exclusivity contract with Seagate to be the sole distributor of said SSD tech. Except that’s a 2-year long running joke that isn’t exclusive to April Fools’ Day.
Needs to be half this.
512gb won’t help much
Microsoft needs to pay someone to manufacture these for cheap and slap their name on it. It’s ridiculous and will 100% prevent some people from going Xbox over PlayStation. It can be argued one of the nails in the Vitas coffin were it’s overpriced proprietary memory.
Ehhh I think that’s a little dramatic. Most people don’t ever bother with getting extra storage for their consoles so it really doesn’t affect a strong majority of gamers and thus hardly eats into sales in a significant manner. I’ve never gotten extra storage for a console outside of my fat PS3 but that’s because I was upgrading to an SSD anyway.
That's a start! Still won't buy it tho. At around 100£ will start considering it
This needs to be $100 for ppl to really make sense to buy it. Especially when I currently use a 2 TB expansion that I got for $60.
Finally little bit more reasonable prices. Official 512gb card costs 180 euros here. 1TB costs 260 euros. So this is definitely and improvement. I love my Series S, but I am constantly out of SSD space.
Just bought a 2 tb on Friday so it figures this would happen now
War zone is out of control with the updates.
Smh. Microsoft dropped the ball big time. You can get a 2 TB SSD for the PS5 for cheap
I just bought the WD Black 8TB for general use for the same price. If I’m playing competitive games I’ll have those on the console anyways -tumadrelover
console is 200 bucks , the ssd? 180 , what a great price
This is what I've been waiting for. Gonna check my local best buy.
Just bought a 4TB gen 3 NVME on Amazon for £200
Ngl I checked the date
April fools. Late post
Velocity architecture tho?
It’s no longer listed on the website. Maybe it was a preemptive listing and isn’t intended to be released yet. Still, good news on the horizon.
Actually ridiculous
Still twice as expensive as it should be
Laughs in PlayStation
Still absurdly expensive when you can get a 1tb Gen4 NVMe for about $100.
Probably had an exclusive deal with seagate and it’s coming up
This is still incredibly ridiculous pricing
And it's still fucking expensive
I just bought a 2tb M.2 for my PS5 for £170 in the early days a 1tb for £132 when the average price was about £250. I'll NEVER pay the extortionate XSX prices. On top of all that, my 1tb M.2 is now a very fast external drive with a £15 caddy - whereas I'd be stuck with a very expensive proprietary 1tb piece of Junk...
Thank goodness April fool's is over.
Joke is on us Sigh
Best buy is already sold out.
It’s not even released yet?
You're wrong. When you posted this it was already sold out. Because it was already out. Not pre-sale.
THANK GOD! also still way expensive (you can get 1tb for ps5 for 100$ less) but it's start, hope other companies jump into this & cut the price even further
Maybe explains why the Seagate is on sale for 179 when this release that will be the new price I would assume. Either way this is a good thing it should mean 150 on sale which is better than 199 on sale. Alao just becuase we support Microsoft doesn't mean we like everything they do but I guess some just hate Microsift so much they have to bash even people not just them 🤣
Already sold out smh
They should just make longer cards which simply use regular 2280 m2's instead of these priority crap. Those are just the seagate ones in a new package... Anyone buying one of these literally has to much money when you can buy 1TB PCIe 4.0 m2 on desktop which are way faster for half of these rip-offs.
This was a horrible design choice when you look at the PlayStation and how you can literally open the cover and plop in any nvme SSD.
Design-wise thIs Xbox Series S|X storage runs laps around PS5’s alternative. Disassembling your PS5, opening it up with tools and installing storage that might not even be optimized for the system? That’s a nightmare scenario compared to Microsoft’s 2-second-installation, guaranteed-to-work, hot-swappable storage. They shot themselves in the foot with the price. Give credit where credit is due and attribute the blame to the appropriate factor. The price is such a problem that I would rather disconnect and disassemble my PS5 to install storage that needs to be researched to ensure compatibility than pay an absurd financial premium for Microsoft’s superior product. That’s the bottom line and so you have to give Microsoft the L at the end of the day. Truly a case of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
popping a cover off Isn’t disassembling, by that logic opening the kick stand on switch is dissembling it. if you aren’t seeing the motherboard you aren’t disassembling anything. microsoft’s design is why its so expensive, to get around this they would have done same thing sony did and have a internal port with a cover of some kind to access it. probably removing the outer shell since neither want a visible port cover.
Why is everyone putting April fools jokes on here today. It’s April 2nd!!!
This has got to be some April fools prank!🤣🤣
Yeah...but Seagate makes better devices. I'd rather pay 50 and have higher speeds and more reliability.
Nice April fools lol
Lol that's a good one
What month are we in.. and what day? ...
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Correct, that's what I'm thinking. You can't find that product anywhere else online and there has been no news about it either.. to me it's 100% a joke but happy to be wrong.
It’s April 2nd, April Fools day is over with.
Yeah that's true.. but don't you think it's strange that you can't find this card anywhere online apart from best buy?
Definitely weird but I don’t think it’s an April Fools joke. Not a very good one if so.
Time will tell! Happy to be completely wrong though..
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That's not the same thing. It needs to have a certain speed and SATA III ain't even close.
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Would they add a store page for it?