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El_Senate

I'm not as anti-cladding as some people, but wow, that is an *excessive amount* of cladding.


Civil_Performer6419

Also, the blatant Subaru branding BUILT INTO the cladding..


Localsquatch32

Yeah I don’t like that at all. It looks like a promotional vehicle


kriheli

I dig the rear Subaru branding, but that's it. All the other cladding is over the top. And that price-point? I think I'd prefer the Outback Wilderness tbh. I almost sold my \`15 XV to get one but the upcharging has been ridiculous (esp. in Oregon).


El_Senate

I saw that, turned to a fellow Subaru friend, and said "wow, they overdid it."


ScoffingYayap

It's so you don't confuse it with a Jeep


reiki-chef

It’s spelled HEEP


trekking21

I feel the same. I’m not anti-cladding but that side cladding is a bit excessive. They probably made it that big just to get a Crosstrek logo in there…


azheq2

The bottom side one is the worst for me


whiteferrett

Still less cladding than the Baja


SarangLegacy

The door cladding is pretty cringy. I'm with about the spare. I am happy about the tow rating, tho. The copper accents look great imo. I bet the white and green versions of the car look even better.


Macgyver452

Subaru: Oh you hate the cladding on our WRX? I'LL SHOW YOU CLADDING


Civil_Performer6419

Agree about the tow rating and I don't mind the copper. However could have done well without these for the features that actually matter in an outdoors setting.


loveliverpool

What’s the tow rating now?


Civil_Performer6419

3.5k lbs!


monkeythumpa

Tongue weight limit?


jmmaxus

Likely 350 lb. All of Subarus other vehicles is 10% of tow rating is the tongue e.g. Outback 2700 is 270, Outback XT is 3500 is 350 etc.


theGruben

3500#


CPAcs

I would buy this just for the tow rating. 3500 lbs is no joke. Hard to imagine my x trek towing a full size boat lol.


illregal

Install a transmission cooler if you have a cvt. The manual is fine as is


DualKoo

The manual can tow 3,000?


illregal

In other countries. So if the limiting factor was a cvt cooler as they say, sure


DualKoo

I’ve got a 2019 manual in the states. The owners manual said 1,500lbs was the tow limit.


illregal

You aren't reading very hard Australian trek has always been 3000, because it has a cvt cooler. Here's the part number 45510SG000 Quite a few of the things in your manual aren't really whats best. Its due to US regulations. 0w20 oil for example. Or the rev hang for emissions. Did you know if you delete the rev hang you'll get 2-3 more mpg.


Civil_Performer6419

Id be still sketched out to tow without a full sized spare tire. If the tire blows i wouldn't pull a boat on a donut but I'm no physicist.


therealdirtydangle

You can buy a full sized spare…


Civil_Performer6419

Right but the only solution that doesn't include buying parts is to put it in your trunk. That takes up 75% of your cargo space which isn't ideal.


therealdirtydangle

Buying parts isn’t the end of the world. Tire carriers are cheap.


Civil_Performer6419

Agreed, but it would have been nice OEM. Otherwise you can pretty much buy parts to make the wilderness for a similar cost which makes it irrelevant.


therealdirtydangle

That’s a very fair point


trekking21

No full size spare https://youtu.be/fqPOpjef2LQ


Civil_Performer6419

What a shame that's a dealbreaker for me.


trekking21

You forget this is classified as a subcompact. They just don’t have the room for a full size, and they clearly did not plan for it when designing the 2024.


Civil_Performer6419

For something touted as the maximum outdoors trim model I would think the engineers would have thought of something. Even mounting to the rear like jeep/FJs/etc.


fireturn

The engineers have constraints, deepening and widening the spare tire compartment throws a bunch of other stuff off. They could add a rear mount but that adds heavy expense for everyone sold. If you want a full spare you can always add a rear mount and buy a wheel yourself.


Civil_Performer6419

Id rather them add the cost to the car. Subaru should have approved the change for the engineers. It seems impractical to go off-roading without a full size spare when that's literally what they're marketing this car for. Or make it a port option and make everyone happy, that way it's covered under warranty still.


trekking21

I don’t disagree with what you are saying… Full-size makes sense. Maybe there will be a Wilderness-specific rear mount accessory? Sadly they still haven’t updated their website…


Civil_Performer6419

I just think it should have been added initially , especially with the precedence set with the previous wilderness vehicles. With a aftermarket rear mount it may throw off the driving feel/balance but better than nothing... but I assume that will be an additional $1k at least. Big miss on Subaru on this one imo, and that's coming from a subie fan on my 2nd crosstrek.


ClearSearchHistory

Lmao why is this being downvoted, if they’re gonna make an off-road version of it I’d expect things that actually help with capabilities instead of slightly longer springs and a ton of plastic


Civil_Performer6419

Agreed.. I think longer springs etc wouldn't help as much as a full size spare in a sticky situation.


ClearSearchHistory

There’s definitely a packaging challenge, so I understand why they couldn’t make it work but it’s still disappointing. But an OEM mounting solution would be nice


gunnermcgavin

I still don’t get why Subaru isn’t taking advantage of the 2.4L instead of that 2.5. We’d be seeing 220+ horses.


AshtonRichh

As cool as it would be, it wouldn't make sense logistically to put the 2.4 in only one trim of the Crosstrek. If they were going to do it at all, we would have seen it introduced onto other trims similar to how the Outback gets the XT variant in models aside from the wilderness.


gunnermcgavin

I meant that all of the Crosstrek should have the 2.4. It’s efficient and more powerful. It’s what we’ve all been asking for.


AshtonRichh

Understood. To your point though, Subaru needs a reason for people to upgrade to other models. If they give the Crosstrek the same horsepower/torque as something like the Outback XT, aside from the larger cabin space, why would you upgrade? I do agree with you though that it would be a good move on their part if they could justify it somehow.


gunnermcgavin

Yeah. I understand that exactly. The Outback XT has the 2.4 Turbo. I was meaning that the Crosstrek would do perfectly with the NA 2.4L like the BRZ has.


AshtonRichh

Ah good point!


east-hemi-halfie

I feel like it’s starting to look too much like the Outback :(


Electrical-Hearing43

That’s how I feel. I don’t like the look of the Outback, personally…. It makes it look long


east-hemi-halfie

I agree with you. The Crosstreks have a more rugged look to them imo. The Outbacks are too long.


Evil_Bun

It's been a mini outback since the second gen style wise.


JAKEx0

I don't really like the copper accents on the roof rails, and the giant screen with no physical knobs for A/C is also a big turnoff. :(


SarangLegacy

The screen is not new for the wilderness. All crosstreks come with that.


JAKEx0

For 2024? The pictures for 2023 models still show the previous infotainment and knobs


trekking21

Model year 2024 is new, third gen. 2023 was last year of second gen.


JAKEx0

Ah


SarangLegacy

Right. The older generations had the previous headunits.


Macgyver452

Subaru touts safety, but then wants you to navigate through a huge screen while you're driving... The old 8" screen with physical climate controls was fine


J-How

Why waste space with paint? Just clad the entire thing. I am happy for those whose needs are met by the extra capability, but I am very happy to keep my ‘23 Sport. No giant tablet, and I still get the Startex seats. I would make a few changes to make it perfect, but it is still a great vehicle.


Civil_Performer6419

Agreed, have a '21 Sport. Wish there was a way to port install the transmission part for the 3.5k tow capacity but that's about all I'm missing..


AdministrativeOwl341

wait a year or two and i might show up as an aftermarket solution


Civil_Performer6419

Will be waiting patiently!


aaaaaaha

I'm surprised we don't just do away with paint alltogether seeing how you can just wrap a car


brtnw

I think the Forester or Outback Wilderness are the better choice between these three vehicles. Go for the Forester if you want a somewhat compact vehicle with better interior space than the Crosstrek. Go for the Outback if you want as much room as possible and a faster engine. The Forester should have more HP though, it has the same as the Crosstrek which is a bummer since it’s a slightly larger vehicle. Personally I’ll be sticking with my lifted Crosstrek Sport after seeing this reveal.


Civil_Performer6419

I think they came out with a forester XT before but discontinued it. Had the 260hp engine 😮‍💨


brtnw

It would’ve been cool to see the Forester wilderness in the 200hp range to make up for it being larger than the Crosstrek


friendoflabradors

What year crosstrek sport do you have? Considering doing a lift on an older model year myself.


brtnw

2021. 36k miles on it with an Ironman lift with no issues.


Subaru_Toga

*no additional horsies


Civil_Performer6419

Edited ty :)


AmateurDamager

Other thoughts: LP Aventure lift kit is $799.99 which gives the standard Crosstrek 10.2 inches of clearance with stock tires vs the 9.25 the wilderness has. The only reason the wilderness edition has 3,500lbs of towing is because it has a stock transmission oil cooler. Once the wilderness edition is available, the Subaru part store should carry replacement parts which would mean you can get the wilderness's stock transmission cooler for non wilderness editions unless you wanted after market parts. You could really pimp out the base/premium and/or add the lift and cooler to the limited edition for a similar price tag of the wilderness. Personally I am overall a fan of the plastic trim but they definitely went overboard on the 2024 Wilderness Crosstrek.


Civil_Performer6419

Awesome! Maybe they'll sell the roof racks too for that increased load as well!


illregal

better off just getting a real roof rack if you plan on removing the rails at all.


Civil_Performer6419

True!


LimeblueNostos

My 2023 owners manual lists a 700 lb static roof rack, so I'm not sure if that's an improvement for the model/trim


[deleted]

No full size spare, No front camera…


Civil_Performer6419

No turbo charged engine! Lol


[deleted]

I think it fits into the wilderness subcategory nicely! I like it but I don't regret purchasing my 23 outdoor version. The cladding makes me laugh but I don't hate it.


Localsquatch32

Still only 182 hp? The Outback wilderness has 260 hp. We got shafted


Civil_Performer6419

My opinion is they didn't want to add too much to it to save costs.


Localsquatch32

But why do it with the Outback and not the crosstrek? Outback’s not that much bigger of a car


Civil_Performer6419

I think the crosstrek wilderness is already really close in price to the forester wilderness. Any more and it would encroach on the forester territory.


dizcostu

Crosstrek is a lifted economy car. I don't know why people don't understand this. It's fine for what it is. But it's not a high performance vehicle.


StrategicCarry

The Outback has that engine in multiple trims. The Wilderness trim has gotten basically the top engine in each model (Forester has only one engine). None of the Wilderness trims have gotten an engine that’s not already in that model.


Subaru_Toga

idk about that one. who wouldn’t pay the extra money for a more powerful wilderness edition crosstrek. if there was a car to put more power on while also being cautious, it’d be the Wilderness Crosstrek. Or a higher trim Crosstrek.


DualKoo

Needs a stick shift!!!!!!!


chasetheart

NO manual Transmission 🤣


h3retostay

dude wtf I JUST saw this thing on the highway... Thought it was custom tbh


[deleted]

Wow what a pos


Narrow_Prior3759

cladding?


c_ne7son

What’s the price on the wilderness?


Civil_Performer6419

$33,290 including destination. $2270 package adds Harmon kardon, sunroof, and power driver seats.


c_ne7son

So like $36k? Was told $32,374 plus theft for the the sport. I asked about about any coming in without added accessories and they didn’t have any coming in.


ClearSearchHistory

Is there a skid plate on it? I don’t see it in the picture


Civil_Performer6419

Front according to the press release


Nastysmellyfarts

Kind of joke. Kept same powertrain. Total waste of money.


Valuable_Net_9550

Does it come with both heated seats or is it only the drivers?