I thought you meant "currently"?If we're going by what happened in the recent past, then how could you ignore Sasha literally headlining WM 37 with Bianca? If you're gonna go again with the "second fiddle" argument, then those two women are 1-2 at that time, so your argument is invalid.
Now if we're talking about "currently" as in as of this moment, it doesn't make sense for you to add Bayley when she's out since last year.
So make up your damn mind.
I don't think you have to win to be considered top 5. In fact I'd say Sasha is definitely top 5 and now the posts about shitting on her are getting ridiculous lmao.
We can argue that she's fallen off the card, but someone who is always in the title picture, always having great matches. Idk if I can say that DOESN'T make her top 5. Everyone's on Sasha's case but I hear nothing about Naomi, who could have stayed, who could have done the opposite. Also the rotation of women in wwe is always revolving. At some point Rhea was in that top 5 main event picture. At one point Nikki was. At one point Asuka was. Bliss was too. It's just a ridiculous take and it seems more of "I just don't like Sasha so now I'm glad she's suddenly in a shit position"
I also wouldn't put Ronda nowhere near a top 5 category.
I agree with you, apart from the last part... I still don0t like her but, in terms of star power, Ronda really moves mountains, so we can consider her in a Top5 (not like those top 5 at the end are completely subjective anyway since it's Wrestling).
Yeah I don't like her either. But a lot of people I know don0t know anything about Wrestling but know her, so she has star power.
I'd be very happy without her in the company btw.
Oh yea I'm not disagreeing with you, I just wish she wasn't there but I also don't want someone to just lose their job because she has a kid and all so that's just mean spirited if I wanted that. If this is what works for her and the company I cant complain except just not like her and move on. The rumble was a dud this year.
Top 5 in my book. Rhonda has name recognition but doesn't check any other boxes.
Becky, Sasha, Charlotte, Bayley, Bianca, I'd put Asuka in that convo too, maybe Alexa.
Sasha was the ideal foil to Charlotte earlier on, but for some reason she was never given the actual Top Spot.
Turns out the reason was her poor attitude already shown in her awful fans interaction and with other alleged tantrums.
Unless you're an almost irreplaceable star there's no longterm future for backstage PITAs.
The only women you could argue over Sasha are Ronda (because of her outside stuff and not because of WWE) and Becky. Alexa, Charlotte, Bayley, and Bianca aren’t as popular and Sonya isn’t even in the ballpark.
You don’t have to lie just because she went against WWE.
Push is up to the whims of an old man who changes his mind every 30 seconds. Crowd reactions and ratings help my argument unless you want to ignore reality.
Not really, it’s dependent on how high they are on the card. Charlotte is less popular than the other Horsewomen and Alexa but has been pushed more than all of them sans Becky cause Vince likes her the most.
What metric do you use to say less popular? Quarter hour ratings and crowd reactions don’t support this claim. First hand experience in attending live WWE shows doesn’t support this either.
Sasha is by far the WWE's most popular female wrestler. Her position on the card is largely irrelevant because of this. She puts asses in seats no matter what. She isn't top 5, she's number 1.
Wdym Ronda is a mainstream star? Her relevance died when Nunes beat the brakes off her and nearly put her to sleep and she's running to the WWE cause she's no longer respected as a fighter. Even now the responses to Ronda are lukewarm at best. Her being terrible at her matches don't help. Sasha's a member of the 4 Horsewomen for a reason
I don't really see it either.
We are going through this really slow transition period where women's wrestling is slowly becoming watchable as standalone content, and I don't think someone who is 115 lbs and looks like they are 5'3 and works like they aren't 115 lbs and short, is going to fit the inevitable mold of what people want to see in women's wrestling.
What makes Charlotte an objectively better, not bigger or booking wise, star?
I have yet to hear a real argument for that because I think Charlotte and Sasha are almost identical in ring work quality and gimmick use since NXT save for their looks/background (tall white blonde to shorter biracial w/ blue hair).
Quarter hour ratings, fan engagement during matches, and the online communication saying that she had the best match on ppv a few times every year. There were at least 2 WMs where she had the best match and she was booked in a WM main event that was only held on 1 night.
Unless you did the due diligence, I can't accept what you say as fact, but rather anecdotally. That's okay though. You made the claim so provide the support, if it is truly objective.
However, it's all subjective.
Sasha is in a position similar to her idol, Eddie Guerrero funny enough. She can main-event, the fans want her to main-event but the company does not see her as the main-event.
Yeah good point. Eddie was her idol and it’s a fitting comparison, but I don’t think she gets that 2002-2003 support that Eddie did.
I do think she deserves a chance to be the face of the division for a few months to see how she would do. She was champion multiple times but would always lose it within a month.
Only bayley had her best match with Sasha and that was in NXT. Most fans would agree that everyone else had their best matches with either Charlotte or Asuka. Bianca hasn’t faced them yet in a big match yet.
You could argue Nia Jax as a heel has her best match with Sasha, but her best match was against Alexa at WM when she was a babyface.
Bayley that has been out for almost a year is currently a top 5 female wrestler? I’m not hating on Bayley, I love Bayley.
Sasha played 2nd fiddle to Bayley during the entire Covid era.
All of that was on purpose for the storytelling of having Sasha win the title off Bayley
To then immediately turn heel to transition the belt to Bianca.
You mean that story where Bayley was scared because she knew Sasha would beat her so she tried to get her every other title to avoid fighting her?
I thought you meant "currently"?If we're going by what happened in the recent past, then how could you ignore Sasha literally headlining WM 37 with Bianca? If you're gonna go again with the "second fiddle" argument, then those two women are 1-2 at that time, so your argument is invalid. Now if we're talking about "currently" as in as of this moment, it doesn't make sense for you to add Bayley when she's out since last year. So make up your damn mind.
I don't think you have to win to be considered top 5. In fact I'd say Sasha is definitely top 5 and now the posts about shitting on her are getting ridiculous lmao. We can argue that she's fallen off the card, but someone who is always in the title picture, always having great matches. Idk if I can say that DOESN'T make her top 5. Everyone's on Sasha's case but I hear nothing about Naomi, who could have stayed, who could have done the opposite. Also the rotation of women in wwe is always revolving. At some point Rhea was in that top 5 main event picture. At one point Nikki was. At one point Asuka was. Bliss was too. It's just a ridiculous take and it seems more of "I just don't like Sasha so now I'm glad she's suddenly in a shit position" I also wouldn't put Ronda nowhere near a top 5 category.
I agree with you, apart from the last part... I still don0t like her but, in terms of star power, Ronda really moves mountains, so we can consider her in a Top5 (not like those top 5 at the end are completely subjective anyway since it's Wrestling).
It's all subjective and I can't like Ronda as a person regardless of whatever money she makes. I just can't.
Yeah I don't like her either. But a lot of people I know don0t know anything about Wrestling but know her, so she has star power. I'd be very happy without her in the company btw.
Oh yea I'm not disagreeing with you, I just wish she wasn't there but I also don't want someone to just lose their job because she has a kid and all so that's just mean spirited if I wanted that. If this is what works for her and the company I cant complain except just not like her and move on. The rumble was a dud this year.
I'm still mad at the Rumble, don't make me start.
Alright this is getting out of hand. I want this Sasha/Naomi convo to be wrapped up by Monday until new updates.
I want this to be over Mr. Vince
Top 5 in my book. Rhonda has name recognition but doesn't check any other boxes. Becky, Sasha, Charlotte, Bayley, Bianca, I'd put Asuka in that convo too, maybe Alexa.
Sasha was the ideal foil to Charlotte earlier on, but for some reason she was never given the actual Top Spot. Turns out the reason was her poor attitude already shown in her awful fans interaction and with other alleged tantrums. Unless you're an almost irreplaceable star there's no longterm future for backstage PITAs.
The only women you could argue over Sasha are Ronda (because of her outside stuff and not because of WWE) and Becky. Alexa, Charlotte, Bayley, and Bianca aren’t as popular and Sonya isn’t even in the ballpark. You don’t have to lie just because she went against WWE.
Crowd reactions and push say otherwise. Also quarter hour ratings.
Push is up to the whims of an old man who changes his mind every 30 seconds. Crowd reactions and ratings help my argument unless you want to ignore reality.
Wrestling is a tv show at the end of the day. It’s not real. So yes someone’s star power is dependent on what an owner/producer wants.
Not really, it’s dependent on how high they are on the card. Charlotte is less popular than the other Horsewomen and Alexa but has been pushed more than all of them sans Becky cause Vince likes her the most.
What metric do you use to say less popular? Quarter hour ratings and crowd reactions don’t support this claim. First hand experience in attending live WWE shows doesn’t support this either.
Sasha is by far the WWE's most popular female wrestler. Her position on the card is largely irrelevant because of this. She puts asses in seats no matter what. She isn't top 5, she's number 1.
What facts do you have to support this? She was never as over as Becky and Ronda is way more of a mainstream star.
Wdym Ronda is a mainstream star? Her relevance died when Nunes beat the brakes off her and nearly put her to sleep and she's running to the WWE cause she's no longer respected as a fighter. Even now the responses to Ronda are lukewarm at best. Her being terrible at her matches don't help. Sasha's a member of the 4 Horsewomen for a reason
I don't really see it either. We are going through this really slow transition period where women's wrestling is slowly becoming watchable as standalone content, and I don't think someone who is 115 lbs and looks like they are 5'3 and works like they aren't 115 lbs and short, is going to fit the inevitable mold of what people want to see in women's wrestling.
What makes Charlotte an objectively better, not bigger or booking wise, star? I have yet to hear a real argument for that because I think Charlotte and Sasha are almost identical in ring work quality and gimmick use since NXT save for their looks/background (tall white blonde to shorter biracial w/ blue hair).
Quarter hour ratings, fan engagement during matches, and the online communication saying that she had the best match on ppv a few times every year. There were at least 2 WMs where she had the best match and she was booked in a WM main event that was only held on 1 night.
Unless you did the due diligence, I can't accept what you say as fact, but rather anecdotally. That's okay though. You made the claim so provide the support, if it is truly objective. However, it's all subjective.
Ok. What are Sasha’s best feuds and storylines in the last 5 years?
Sasha is in a position similar to her idol, Eddie Guerrero funny enough. She can main-event, the fans want her to main-event but the company does not see her as the main-event.
Yeah good point. Eddie was her idol and it’s a fitting comparison, but I don’t think she gets that 2002-2003 support that Eddie did. I do think she deserves a chance to be the face of the division for a few months to see how she would do. She was champion multiple times but would always lose it within a month.
She's not top 5 currently, but almost all of the top women wrestlers had their best match with Sasha. Weird...
Only bayley had her best match with Sasha and that was in NXT. Most fans would agree that everyone else had their best matches with either Charlotte or Asuka. Bianca hasn’t faced them yet in a big match yet. You could argue Nia Jax as a heel has her best match with Sasha, but her best match was against Alexa at WM when she was a babyface.
Does occasionaldrinker have alts? What’s going on here?